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#general-feedback-discussion
indigo sun
Its kind of some peoples' job here to be annoying
lethal salmon
im trying to have a simple conversation and here comes the "master degree" person
having to correct everything
having to make a statement on anything somebody says
congrats man
indigo sun
Cool
lethal salmon
that would be a week worth of growth
pseudo falcon
I can take a little opposition when making statements
grave karma
so make hyper carno even more busted?
vestal rune
I think it throwing things into the air would just make it goofy lmao
barren zephyr
Well I mean. It’s a functional creature already.
Have it so it can use its horns as a purpose would be fun I think. Would be able to throw a anything smaller than sub around, or push apexes, or stab them.
As for it being busted, it’s still WIP. Obviously it’ll have some bugs and what not, but perhaps after the recode, they’ll be able to level it out a bit for the environments it’s in now. Thus being throwing its victims around would add to a cool effect.
deft musk
@pseudo falcon I agree with you, dryo is already so weak so why would it be op to have a nest in the burrow. Would be more realistic to and no one that isnt playing dryo would care.
pseudo falcon
👍
brittle merlin
@azure arch... elephants have specially evolved fat on the bottom of their feet that cushions their footsteps which muffle the sound
I do agree that most of the dinos' footsteps should be quieter though
grave karma
@keen trail you know you can just bite while looking at them, right?
keen trail
What, @grave karma ?
grave karma
your suggestion
indigo sun
@weak perch there's already gonna be a way to get strains. It's just not in 'cause the system and strains in general are unfinished. and the reason sandbox dinosaurs arent in survival is because theyre unbalanced as hell and dont have full life stages. It'd be weird to be able to obtain something that isn't ready for that game mode yet.. As for the spawn thing, I agree with choosing where you want to spawn
weak perch
Ahh, Thanks I can edit it.
viral creek
why would a broken leg stop dryo from burrowng when he very clearly uses his arms
@barren zephyr
indigo sun
yeah, the dryo isn't using its little feet to burrow and i highly doubt it's a huge issue considering the only thing that breaks legs 1 shots dryo. Unless you just want it for some sort of realistic thingy idk
violet magnet
@swift root this again, so i'll just use the same arguments for the dozenth time;
resetting the logout timer every time you take damage is hella griefable and could be used to essentially hold players hostage
if you can't bring something down in one full minute while the thing is standing there stationary and not fighting back, you had no business hunting it anyway
indigo sun
Why reset it if you've got 3 minutes to kill something? If the timer has to reset because you cant kill something that isnt moving or fighting back in 3 minutes, maybe just... dont hunt it? Like, what's the point of having it reset if you up it to 3 minutes? And yeah, Bulbasaur's right, it'd be super duper fuckin annoying to have three whole fuckin minutes reset constantly by some stupid galli or dryo when you just want to log off.
I dont see the point of upping the timer or making it reset with damage.
swift root
@violet magnet Generally it's not full minute. You track someone, he sees you as well and goes for menu-logging. You reach him in time to land a bite or two and he disappears. I hear of those situations on daily basis on discord of my server. Situations like you describe are almost nonexistent.
Resetting timer is more of a compliment. The most important thing is to increase the time needed to log out safely.
@violet magnet It's just that right now I can't think of better way to prevent combat logging. Maybe you can? It really is a problem though as people (especially newbies) prefer to log out rather than face danger. This becomes prevalent when apexes come onto the table: "Ahh, I don't want to loose 6-7 hours" they think and logout.
dreamy portal
The nest thing not being an optional feature boggles my mind.
Wasted my time aswell as the time of the person who nested me, as i Yeeted myself off a waterfall and accepted my broken neck on the rocks below.
violet magnet
"Situations like you describe are almost nonexistent."
"You reach him in time to land a bite or two"
i've been in situations where i'm tucked away logging off and then someone sees me, runs over, and starts biting. I wasn't fighting them, they came over to me and started biting when I had 3 seconds left on my logout, should I then be forced to stand up and fight them off so I can fucking leave like I was about to?
swift root
If you decided to leave the game in a place so dangerous than it's only fair for you to loose your dino.
swift root
There's no such thing as complete safety in true sandbox
paper oriole
Imagine, youre a giga or something, and some troll ass utah runs over and bites you while your trying to log
violet magnet
i was sitting down logging out and they happened upon me
swift root
I'll stand up and fight
swift root
Also I find really good places to log off where noone can find me. So far noone managed to troll me in this way.
paper oriole
A utah that can and will harass you for 30+ minutes its a pretty common thing
violet magnet
good for you but i was logging because i have a life outside the game and can't really jive with being held hostage
swift root
And you can log off and go do what you need to do.
violet magnet
or a dryo will harass you
not if the log timer gets reset every time a dryo bites me
swift root
There's nothing big in loosing a dino due to real life circumstances.
violet magnet
wasted time?
paper oriole
Imagine losing your 6+ hour dino cus a fucking small tier dino stops you from logging
swift root
That's the mong laughable reason really 😄 .
You can't waste time. You are playing, you are having fun.
Even if you loose the dino, time is not wasted. It was spent on fun gameplay.
violet magnet
yes because a dryo holding me hostage in the game by biting my rex and resetting the log timer is fun
paper oriole
Whats laughable is thinking a 3 min logout timer reset by damage is a good idea
violet magnet
what were you hunting that combat-logged on you and what dino were you playing? Inquiring minds want to know
swift root
Of course if you sat in the pine tree at the end of the world to grow to adult every time.... that's rather boring gameplay but it was your choice to play the game in such a way.
So even in case you loose a dino, TIME is never WASTED.
Play to have fun, that's it. It always remains with you.
violet magnet
that's nice
swift root
Im never growing a dino sitting on 1 place.
violet magnet
what combat-logged on you?
paper oriole
Ah yes losing your 6+ hour dino because of a bored utah who couldnt hope to kill you in a fight biting and running away for 30+ minutes as you try to log out is so fun
swift root
I was in a party of 3 rexes a few days ago. 4 gigas ran away from us and logged out :))
violet magnet
ok
paper oriole
Oh boo hoo
swift root
We managed to bite one right when it disappeared
violet magnet
they didn't wanna waste 7 hours
paper oriole
If you let them get away thats your problem
swift root
They could have fought us, would've been a fun fight
Yet they prefered to exploit weakness in game mechanics.
violet magnet
could've
didn't have to, tho 🤷
swift root
And certainly not because they needed to leave suddenly.
Also a giga can easily outpace rex and flee without logging
Yet they still logged
paper oriole
3 rexes not being able to land bb on a giga is their problem
swift root
In the end it's just a single situation.
The problem of scared people logging out is still there. If there's a better way to solve it, please share your thoughts 😉 .
violet magnet
you're playing a rex and are surprised that people would log to avoid you?
paper oriole
What youre suggesting would be worse than combat logging cowards is all that really matters here
swift root
I'm playing everything from utah to rex&giga 😃
tulip epoch
You could always force log @violet magnet but the chances of your dino being dead is higher in that instance
If u have a life outside that comes first
swift root
Back in the days when DayZ was still an ArmA mod, it had no logout timer. Same issues were there. Rocket introduced logout timer. It worked fine cause of ranged combat, 30-60 seconds are more than enough when you can kill a guy from 50-200 meters. None was held hostage due to it as well. When your game design has melee combat only, different character speeds (in dayz all had same speed) 60 seconds is simply not enough.
violet magnet
which is why i prefer to safelog...?
tulip epoch
I'll lose a rex before letting the game come before life
swift root
Same here.
tulip epoch
I'm beta testing another game where they are planning on not even allowing safe logs if another player is within a certain distance. Dunno how I feel about that but it's a suggestion
swift root
That's a good solution but I'm not sure if it's that simple to implement in The Isle.
violet magnet
sitting to log and another player wanders into your "logout range", whoops can't log even though you're well-hidden and the other player can't see you
tulip epoch
That's where hard log would come in
swift root
You can still forcelog. If you are hidden enough your character will disappear a few minutes later.
tulip epoch
But even I don't know if I like it or not just throwing stuff ot there. Also prevent players who are just sitting with their log outs ready
From logging
swift root
Basically it's the problem of safe heaven. People want to quit without a problem but game design doesnt feature bases, safe zones, stuff like that for obvious reasons. So you can't really solve this problem in a way where everyone's happy unfortunately.
valid elk
Pretty sure "safe places" are planned for Humans
violet magnet
@steep pawn say sike right now
mossy mauve
violet magnet
it looks like something from a novice creature designer who's given no thought to how this thing is actually supposed to function but it's SCARY so it's good
north dew
The new shrek looks good
viral creek
ok i know that is probs a not serious suggestion but that rex is ugly in a good way
he scares me
indigo sun
Where in the fucm did you get that "updated rex image?"
A tabloid or some shit?
And i honestly cant say it looks scary. Just looks like a more fatass rex, which is meh.
hasty parcel
it looks like you decided to splice a rex and crocodile together, but went for like 90% crocodile
normal fern
It looks retarded
grave karma
that dude is salty as shit
paper oriole
Shit did i miss another memeworthy ratguzzler suggestion
paper oriole
Damn now my day is ruined
indigo sun
Scroll up a bit and you'll find an "accurate" rex photo and the suggestion accompanying it. It's still there i believe
In the suggestions channel, that is
grave karma
not there
paper oriole
;_; i hope somebody screenshotted it
vestal rune
think he got banned
paper oriole
Lmao was his suggestion that bad
indigo sun
It was this image but the statement that it was "newly updated and accurate" is entirely incorrect. It's from facebook or some shit
vestal rune
lmao that's literally a kaiju made by some guy for fun
I think he strapped armour onto it aswell
oh boy
indigo sun
Yeah, dude made a mech version too
@paper oriole this was the image he used in his suggestion
Got information from facebook that it was a new, accurate rex
vestal rune
it has fucking hair lmao
pulsar lake
This rex is digusting
violet magnet
it has no neck 
vestal rune
I don't think it's even meant to be a rex
valid zephyr
RIP ratguzzler
but that rex is hideous
@pulsar lake I agree thenyaw needs its water redoing so aquatics can do well.
we're lacking a small map atm 😦
valid zephyr
i don't even know what it is
vestal rune
it's a made up monster
indigo sun
Wrong channel
Put it in #general-feedback so people actually see it before it gets turned imvisible by whoever comes in here next
paper oriole
Giga and rex should have equal times more or less, not swapped
Growth times should vary depending on affinity while growing too but i heard something like that will happen in the future already
mellow maple
@craggy jasper If you're talking about this Suchomimus, then I would be in favor of it >:)
Because the design is actually good and accurate too. So it's a double win. 👀
...If it weren't it were copyrighted already
craggy jasper
yea talking about that one, cause the version right now looks like a pelican tbh
pseudo falcon
@thin ember that's no feedback. Put that in #401464048610312195
mellow maple
Except sucho is one their more accurate dinos anyway, so idk if remodeling would actually make it worse.
thin ember
I swear. People keep sending me to the wrong places.
pseudo falcon
Lol
thin ember
That's where I was told to go.
mellow maple
The teeth poking out part makes sense because Spinosaurids likely did not have lips
pseudo falcon
For a question?
mellow maple
Though I thought the bottom teeth should poke out more.
pseudo falcon
@thin ember just make sure you delete your message so a mod or admin doesn't smack you
thin ember
done
barren zephyr
sucho ingame is a scary accurate death pelican thingy
pseudo falcon
You can read the descriptions of the varying text channels if you get confused.
barren zephyr
why change that
pseudo falcon
I don't think sucho is in jurassice world lol
pseudo falcon
Isn't it just the baryonyx?
mellow maple
_ as if I will call that thing a Baryonyx _ Yes, Baryonyx appeared in film.
Pretty similar enough
barren zephyr
violet magnet
jolly willow
mellow maple
The funny thing about JW Sucho is that it's done by famous a paleo-artist. So that has influential factor of why I like it so much. That same artist also did the murals for the new Deep Time exhibit from the Smithsonian's Nation Museum of Natural History. 👀
valid elk
@long heath Why the reactions?
Some smaller crocodilians can clamber into holes and kill said creatures in the hole
long heath
Deinosuchus was largely aquatic based, and Dryos can't build their burrows close to water, they have to build them a couple yards away.
A young Deinosuchus wandering all that way to attempt to break into a burrow is going to leave it open to attacks from terrestrial predators like adult Allosaurs.
indigo sun
I feel like you coulda just put a thumbs down instead of "wtf?" if that's your reasoning. I get your point though
long heath
Fair.
random knoll
i mean dryos have to built ther enests away form water because fo the water stopping them
due to how the water is it wont let them
also floods
long heath
I feel like young Deino diets should mimic modern day young crocodiles, fish, amphibians and turtles or anything small that falls into the water.
I doubt turtles will be added however.
indigo sun
Man, i'd love some fuckin beelzebufo and big turtle ai around swamps and shit
long heath
So a young Deino would probably rely mostly on eating fish and grabbing small drinking juveniles like Utahraptors or Ai that stray too close to the water's edge.
Same.
paper oriole
MAMMATH
paper oriole
mammath
pseudo falcon
@tender latch tents would be useful, though not quite good at defending against the locals, it could protect you from possible sicknesses. Depending on how much depth the devs want this game to have, something easy to acquire like a tent could be integral to a mercenary's survival, sheltering them from the long and ruthless rain storms. I skimmed through a lot of your document, and I like it. Though if I were to critique it a bit, maybe focus more on possible assets, and brief descriptions for them. I think a lot of the numbers you came up with are great, but I also think you might be looking a bit too far forward.
I also think there could be a lot of interesting mechanics that you could talk about when it comes to these items. Good examples of this would involve the knife and it's utility.
barren zephyr
mammath
paper oriole
Mammath?
pseudo falcon
grave karma
mammath
rotund tulip
@grave karma oh sorry mammoth i ment
mellow maple
So they're already adding non-dinosaurs to the game
But I take it most cenozoic mammals are a no
So it's unlikely aside from hominids, specifically homo sapien, that anything from the cenozoic would get added
hallow vigil
@jagged hearth serious suggestions only pls
indigo sun
Mammoths feel so out of place in this game
jagged hearth
Wait sorry I thought I was in general
mellow maple
I mean weren't they working on Titanoboa?
That means they weren't doing exclusively mesozoic animals
indigo sun
I mean, mammals in general besides humans just feels off
hallow vigil
@jagged hearth its ok
indigo sun
I dont care much about all that time period shit
mellow maple
Idk why tho, they deserve as much spotlight as any archosaur in the game tbh
I mean, probs not mammoth but they're some beasty mammals from the cenozoic that'd be cool af
Would they get added? Of course not lol
But maybe someone could mammals a chance, via mod.
indigo sun
They'd be cool as their own game with the same amount of love and detail and such put in as the isle
mellow maple
Honestly, maybe as some sort of expansion.
If they really wanted to
Not a core part of the game for sure lol
I wouldn't mind a paleozoic expansion either
finite perch
I know quite a few people are working on mods for these animals, or at least are willing to make them
grave karma
cant really work on mods that'll even be relevant, considering the devkit is old as balls and barely working
indigo sun
They can at least make models and sounds and such
Even if they cant implement them in the game just yet
paper oriole
I think polishing and making use of their current assets should be priority over iceage stuff that could just be handled by modders when the dev kit is refined
grave karma
"dondi rocks" lol wut
pseudo falcon
@barren zephyr you seem to be confused about what The Isle is. Dondi, the creator of the game has from the beginning intended this game to have heavy Jurassic Park influence. The representations of the in game dinosaurs are inaccurate on purpose, to convey the idea that they're not animals directly brought back to life, and instead these genetically engineered monsters created in their corresponding archosaur's likeness. They intend to change Utahraptor's name just so people like yourself don't get confused anymore. I would highly suggest trying to learn what the game's about, you might find that the devs' final goal for this game is pretty unique and interest. I hope I don't come across as rude, as that's not my intention.
barren zephyr
I'm not confused about what it IS or what it's about. I'm confused by the backpedaling of the design choice as far as the raptor is concerned when so many other creatures were designed to be fairly accurate. It's pandering that's sending mixed signals. I'm sick of "huu duuhhh genetically engineered" as an excuse to perpetuate movie monsters only when it's convenient to market something. If that excuse was used for ALL of the creatures and they ALL had broken bodies, I would feel differently. But they don't, at least not as blatantly as the raptor.
The ONLY reason to fuck up the raptor's wrists is to grab JP fans. That's not influence, that's blatantly stepping backwards to pander to a specific crowd just for the sake of pandering. I'm cool with the concept of genetically engineered dinosaurs, but they are VERY very bad at being consistent with that take.
"The markings and colors have to be realistic!!" "The sizes have to be realistic!!" "These creatures have to look accurate!!" "Well, no, except for the raptor."
If you're going to make the rest of the creatures accurate (or mostly so), it doesn't make sense to intentionally ruin the raptor's hands (edit: and, you know, leave it a two-legged salamander).
Unless you're pandering for the sake of pandering.
viral creek
Every single time I hear a person bitch about utah's wrists, I will die one year sooner
The reason it looks so jurassic-parky is because the head developer loves jurassic park. Very simple
Not for marketing, but for personal preference
violet magnet
i'd think that was made pretty obvious by utah's broadcast literally being the JP raptor bark, but...
barren zephyr
If anything I feel like that's not much better lol.
viral creek
I mean there's nothing wrong with a Jurassic Park styled raptor
Those things scared the shit out of me as a kid
barren zephyr
There's a LOT wrong with it in the context of a game with realistically rendered dinosaurs, most of which look fairly correct. Like I said, it's perpetuating the image of a raptor as a lizard-like movie monster. That's not a raptor. 🤷 I and many others came here to play around as dinosaurs, not bipedal geckos with a frog in their throats.
viral creek
Then don't play the raptor
also, if it makes you happier, customizable feather options are planned
barren zephyr
If I wanted JP raptors, I'd play a JP game, not something that can't decide if it wants to be one.
viral creek
I also think having the mix between jurassic park styled animals and more accurate animals is also personal preference
A lot of the Jurassic park dinosaur designs are hit or miss
For example, the JP raptors (From the first one) are cool, and terrifying. While the baryonyx from fallen kingdom is just...ugh
barren zephyr
This game was heavily influenced by JP tho , that’s how Dondi pitched even before the isle existed
And PC
barren zephyr
That’s what I’m referencing
thorn wagon
What people gotta understand is these aren’t the actual dinos themselves, like in JP they’re lab experiments not things flash frozen in ice or something perfectly preserved until the present.
I get it, I’m an accuracy nerd too but sometimes you gotta accept it for the game’s sake. I despised ark at first because of how inaccurate everything was but then I found out every single creature is their own made up species and not supposed to be exactly how they looked or acted irl, once I got that down I was able to actually really enjoy the game.
Same kinda deal with this, they aren’t perfect clones they’re experiments, the lore we know of behind the game right now proves that.
gaunt parcel
@tender latch maybe the tent not only could be used for "quick shelter" (even if it's not much of a shelter) but maybe for camouflage too
Also I love the ideas you got for mercenaries
marble cove
the game imo is more of a sci-fi/horror game than a realistic dino sim, with the strains, cannibals, etc
which explains why most of the dinosaurs (especially carnivores) are more monster than dinosaur
grave karma
its supposed to be a survival horror game, most horror on the human side of things
they obviously arent going for super-realism if they have a dinosaur that blinds people at close range and has telepathy
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr cant please everbody 🤷🏽♂️ if you dont like it why you dont play something else?
bronze granite
Yeah why even give your feedback.. bruh
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr That's kindof why the feedback/suggestions channel exists, buddy. I'm not the only person that's upset.
If they're meant to be scary and monsterous, then I would expect design choices to be made to all of the creatures to be scary, survival-horror monsters. If they're meant to be imperfect experiments, I'd expect the devs to make that apparent with all of the the other creatures, and at least have a more creative and original take on it than just copy-pasting JP bs.
And no, I don't expect the devs to cater to my own vision of the game, but I think copying JP dinos is still a bad take and that's just, like, my opinion, and I'm sticking by it.
pale prairie
fair enough, but the game is based off JP, having a raptor and rex similar to the JP variants only makes sense.
lament spoke
Plus there are a lot of science fiction elements in the game. Having inaccuracies with the dinos isn't a big crime
still temple
I dont see the issue with Utah being more and more like a JP raptor
just more reasons not to play the damn thing 
neon tide
so um, what the hell is air fluid?
spiral pond
neon tide
so Fearing might mean like a fart on heat cameras?
grave karma
yeah ig
neon tide
but if the scent does not stick to the ground, then when smelling into an area when a fight happened, you wouldn't see anything
also would make detecting the distance of the scent unnecessarily difficult
umbral prairie
would that really be a problem though? I mean if the scent clouds all overlap so you cannot see through them anymore of course but if there is just one big, very transparent glow maybe 1 or 2 meters high I don't think it would be that bad, and maybe not being able to follow somebody with very obvious glowing marks on the ground isn't a bad thing
gaunt parcel
Also the different double colored details of velo 👀 @thorny lynx
grave karma
just like dryo hopping
blazing saddle
I have a question about nesting
So when I nest there is a chance that the eggs will have my accent color?
Also I am wondering why my nest disappears when I log out including all of my eggs. That doesn't seem fair or right.
indigo sun
1.) ask in #401464048610312195 next time.
2.) your children do have the chance to have your accent color
as for the nest disappearing, i dont know
paper oriole
and male dinos will be involved in nesting in the future
indigo sun
yeah it's planned for both sexes to be involved instead of asexual nesting
paper oriole
sometimes nest disappears if you crash too i've noticed but otherwise it's due to a server resetting
indigo sun
if you relog real quick, i dont think it disappears but after a while it does i believe, cant remember very well
paper oriole
ive destroyed people snests while they were offlien for a couple days and the server hadnt been reset on an unofficial , so i guess sometimes it may but but i think they're only supposed to be deleted on a reset
indigo sun
so i guess someone's just goin around destroying nests then
grave karma
that please
craggy scarab
@dim ore that shouldn’t be a problem with the new growth system assuming it makes it in.
copper hull
@bright gyro fkn http://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/map_en.html# ya weenie
feral wedge
@thorny lynx That suggestion format isn't appropriate. Don't think that video really is either.
thorny lynx
I thought I got the clean one
It's clean. No swearing. Which suggestions are you talking about?
feral wedge
The one with the monitor lizard video
valid elk
Anyone wanna discuss my idea?
indigo sun
i think it'd be neat
valid elk
Since the plates have blood vessels and such
I thought it would be a good suggestion
That is just me though
grave karma
i think at most it'd be a mod
devout blaze
D' Artagnan I think it'd be a cool visual feature
keen trail
@bright gyro there are plenty of maps out there. just looking at a map for a couple days has taught me the majority of isle v3 (basically everywhere except a few ponds way far out) and the entire thenyaw map. also have you tried sniffing? if you walk in a straight line for a whole hour, or for me even 10 minutes, while sniffing, you can find plenty of water.
finite perch
If you end up walking towards meltwater from beach, the rivers don't show on sniff and neither does abyss. If you're playing a water-demanding dino, sniffing doesn't help you much. Homeboy's got a point, there isn't really a way to know your way around unless you throw yourself at a wall a lot
My real suggestion is to get nested in and ask other players questions on where you are, and if they can migrate and show you around
I didn't know the map at all until some thousand-hour vets hauled my galli ass around thenyaw
Utahs as players seem to be some of the better baby-teachers, but they're not the type to migrate most of the time lol
grave karma
also possibly filling up a tiny bit of thrist just so it hold the dino over for a tiny bit
jovial moss
@shell mica 
what
paper oriole
I N C R E A S E
jovial moss
expand dong
finite perch
@craggy locust its sooper possible, we have images
jovial moss
indigo sun
i still really dont understand your suggestion, mark
barren zephyr
sweet oasis
@shell mica There is already a hyper utah modeled and planned to be put in the game, so your suggestion is not a valid one
sweet oasis
Yes, but it will be put in the game. So suggesting that it be put in the game is not really a necessary suggestion.
finite perch
@dry notch Colors will be inherited from the patriarch and matriarch, or between the males and females. its been talked about that it may get paired up with the affinity system later
finite perch
hes not ready to, hyper utah has no movement animations
dry notch
Oh really? I tried asking but couldn't find anything
finite perch
oh thats unfortunate! it was mentioned in a stream awhile ago so i dont doubt the scarcity of info
sweet oasis
It's not a priority right now, but it will be added whenever they're able to get to work on it
shell mica
ok
finite perch
if i recall, it was played with that there may be a top male per group who is the patriatch for nests, but affinity would determine who is the patriatch. howeverrrr there was doubt because i think males sneaking in and passing on genes was something they wanted to consider, but my memory doesnt stand very well
or how males would even contest for affinity aside from killing one another
so setting a patriarch with a button like... could be added, but its contradictary to how the game trends towards having the least amount of menuing/buttons possible
craggy locust
@finite perch Just noticed it was responded to, Yea looks great.
brave wasp
I dunno if people liked my suggestion or not
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr you know that the game is still in development. Maybe the change all dino designs to „sacry, survival-horror monsters“ as you said it 🤷🏽♂️ you lowkey just hate on the designs, that has nothing to do with giving feedback sry
barren zephyr
yes.
and these dudes reacting with para, even hough it's a different dinosaur and it would have different gameplay
smh
wicked fossil
@swift niche Make the hatching a quicktime event of pure button smashing to break the shell!
In real life, weak individuals fail to hatch so why not make it a bit more interesting
coarse shell
@nocturne sonnet ambeo's size is equivalent to that of a chicken, if not smaller
which is smaller than velo
not getting in
indigo sun
it would at most be ai
nocturne sonnet
let me have a dream😭 😂
paper oriole
one of the larger gliders is honestly more likely if any of it happens
there were a few closer to velo size
zhenyuanlong
mellow maple
I swear maniraptorans are underrated kek
still temple
Any scansoriopterygid is waaaaaay too small for TI
Zhenyuanlong could have a chance, but velo is already a thing
grave karma
so basically like a velo that can climb?
tribal widget
Or my Yutyrannus suggestion?
devout blaze
The hook idea seems interesting. From what I've heard though, they're not going to be entirely human, and will be a lot more agile then normal people. Maybe they'll be able to rock climb without hooks just a theory though. Perhaps if there are "ravines" in-game they could string ropes from one end to the other and climb across. Dinos wouldn't be able to follow, but mercenaries might
I want a feathered fluffy dinosaur as well. Looking forward to existing dinosaurs getting feather options.
tribal widget
: D
devout blaze
🙂 yes. Apparently creatures such as raptors will be getting feather options in the future. Perhaps Galli as well? I'm not sure there's room for Yutyrannus in survival, but there will be fluffy dinos!
mellow maple
Yutyrannus lowkey is never gonna get added but I would like it as an Allo echo figher or something.
devout blaze
perhaps a DLC reskin option will be available for Yutyannus. Though I doubt it'll be a survival main
mellow maple
The devs are likely to focus on current dinos or adding dinos that are not within coelurosauria
outer nebula
@grand solstice it be more just adding a mess to the animation then programing
finite perch
VR for dinos is a messy subject, the way an animal's head attaches to the skull is different from how a human's head attaches to a skull, fundamentally they turn differently. Its been done, but ive heard it can give people some serious vertigo
however, its absolutely possible to do so without forcing the constraints the animal has - it just looks strange
craggy locust
understood would love to just see this world in VR. The depth that VR can add to a game is hard to explain for those of us who have experienced it in other games.
Would especially be worth while for the Human factions
Imagine. Walking through the jungle with a squad.. You see some brush move and something moves towards you.. With VR, I would soil myself. lol
finite perch
I very much agree, as a VR gamer myself it really, really can't be beat. There's no reason for humans to not have VR in my opinion
but then again, i dont know much about actual development. I just parrot what I know from VR devs i've met
I would enjoy to see mercenaries jump and flail around when they realize I'm stalking them from the bushes lol
craggy locust
lol, I agree . The fear factor would be increased 10 fold
finite perch
also people with vr seeing a pachy like 'IM GONNA PET IT' and getting their whole-ass knees busted in
or throwing things like rocks/sticks to distract dinos
craggy locust
I wonder if they will be adding environmental destruction at some point. Certain trees falling from a large dino, rocks that can fall from cliffsides ect
odd idol
@tender birch What's the reason for you needing to message someone?
tender birch
I'd rather keep it private for the moment. Would u be available to DM?
odd idol
Ye
vestal rune
@twilit pewter there are plans for a feather system, definetly not for paid DLC though...
twilit pewter
@vestal rune *hopefully cause honestly I wouldn't mind paying for feathers,,
Help my naked Dino's,,
edgy furnace
hearting their own suggestion
grave karma
mods are coming back already
and wanting them to go out of their way to make a shitkit for a broken game that's being overhauled
before recode is out
umbral prairie
@dim ginkgo it really doesn't make a lot of sense to make a new dev kit (since the old one broke) using the old, bad code for the current, badly coded game
when you're working on better code
indigo sun
There's no dev kit anymore. You shouldntt make mods with this shit code anywaym Wait for the damn recode because if they made a dev kit with the current code it'd be useless in a few months.
umbral prairie
mods might come back this year if the devs don't run into major coding problems
and if they want to bring mods back ofc
but I don't see why they wouldn't
wicked fossil
@twilit pewter I mean, I'd buy that
grave karma
$3-5 for a ground eagle
twilit pewter
I'd pay for a ground eagle
untold root
There really needs to be a lot more food and water to be available or even a choice of spawn locations. Trying to meet with a friend without dying without running about for 3 hours across that vast island is pretty tedious when ai simply does not appear. For those in groups when you find a water source with food spawning close to a safeish area then the group really wont move away from a narrow area as there is no need meaning that for a vast amount of players the island will hardly be explored
twilit pewter
True, it's always hard when you can't find any food despite sitting down or even leaving and coming back
untold root
simply being you spawn at one end of the island, friend the other end. You then spend 2 hours trying to make it across without being killed by some random player, even then if you dont get killed you will probably die from starvation and so you need to repeat making the game kinda boring
random knoll
You can all ways nest
Or get on the server at low pop and make it to each other
Or just grow then meet up
untold root
cant nest if you are a new spawn... cant grow if you cant find food
random knoll
The only time ai doesn’t shove its self into you’re mouth is when the server is high pop
The only hard part about growing a carni is other players
Which you can avoid by getting on low pop if you’re having that much trouble
untold root
I'll give an example of just like today. Me and a friend only have 4 hours to play. In most games 4 hours is enough to get a bit bored with playing together. In 4 hours we didnt even get within visual range because we just couldnt find any ai and the only time we ever saw a player was when a trex blundered past without noticing
random knoll
How many people were on?
Even when the server high pop ai normally spawns in all the time
untold root
about 40-60 during the time we were on
random knoll
What were you playing as?
random knoll
Try Dryo takes 30 minutes to grow and is pretty fast it’s also a herbi so food won’t be hard to find
It can also burrow which lets it hide underground
untold root
ive tried all of them and have been on finding ai every 15mins or bushes littering everywhere on High pop and low pop servers or even on hosting my own private
random knoll
Ai will also only spawn when you’re at a certain hunger
untold root
to literally the place being barren as if it were just a green desert on hi and low pop
random knoll
For someone with little time Dryo or utah will be you’re best options or galli
Better go with galli or Dryo if you’re having trouble finding ai tho
untold root
my point is the game is frustrating when you dont have all day, when you know the game mechanics but for reasons beyond your control you cant enjoy the game with a friend
random knoll
Then play the dinso taht were made for people with less time
Like Dryo and galli and utah
All take about an hour or just a half
There dinos that and quick and easy to grow
untold root
If you could pick a rough spawn location to actually spawn close to a friend without having to spend 3 hours running it would kinda make the game a lot more fun no matter how long you have to play
random knoll
Again the dinos I just said galli Dryo and utah are all pretty fast and grow quite quickly too
Bu I do think there will be something like that with the new map
cyan flame
Well, you could try out nesting too to get the group together
untold root
and as I said we have tried all and especially as the utah where you have to find ai if you dont want to be part of a huge group, without ai or stumbling across some gore then you simply cant stay alive long enough to create a nest
random knoll
Try galli then
It’s the second fastes thing in the game
And Dryo is able to burrow which lets it hide
untold root
and even then What do you say? "Hey you just go do something for the next hour like see a film whilst I play the game until I can make a nest so that you can use an egg"
untold root
growing and staying alive takes longer than 15mins especially when you want to get to an area that A)has food n water and B)is kinda safe, like a raptor finding somewhere high
random knoll
You will all ways spawn near water
And for herbis food is everywhere
Just go to the back of the map
Most people won’t go there
untold root
ack if I wanted to hunt plants everytime I played I'd play farming simulator
cyan flame
You could always ask on the server if someone wants to nest your group in?
As juvie, you just want to find water, find a hiding spot relatively near, and wait for ai, pretty much :p At least to get over the first food drops, traveling is doable in later growth, at least for some juvies
untold root
and again... moving to a part of the map where nobody is then that is pot luck with random spawn
vestal rune
wait, are you saying that surviving in this game is hard?
random knoll
It’s really not hard to grow
If you’re having that much trouble this just ain’t the game for u
vestal rune
because it's currently so easy that it's actually a gameplay issue
cyan flame
You don't need to move into the furthest edges, especially not if you're not trying for an apex
untold root
it isnt particularly hard. my problem was the bugginess of the ai and the sheer time required to even meet up with a friend on a fresh server when you have limited time
vestal rune
that's fair
they're gonna add a new spawn system in the future
you'll be airdropped in, and I know that you'll be able to alter where you spawn by banging into the walls to change your flight path, hopefully they'll allow you to pick a general spawn location aswell
untold root
exactly the matter of adding a spawn choice of oh somewhere on this side or somewhere near this lake or dock etc so you can meet with a friend within say an hour
cyan flame
It would be nice with some sort of "I want to spawn in this general area" thing yes, especially when you do want to be area A, and only spawns in every other spawn except the one you want :p
vestal rune
generally most people just keep killing themselves in order to get a good spawn, it sucks but it saves time
untold root
not even an exact T-rex feeding conveyor belt spot for new spawns, just a broad zipcode lol
nothing was going my way tonight lol, I even thought hey lets die and respawn see if I spawn closer... well I kinda got bored waiting and there werent any ledges near so alas I hear a trex bumbling by being loud and obnoxious as usual
to my horror for the first time ever the player wouldnt eat me when I stepped infront of them
proper troll game
native nebula
that progress bar idea.. it's neat in theory, but doesn't really work out for a lot of stuff, especially if you're in a quite an experimental development phase. generally i've also found that game dev feels a lot like a Windows installer prompt sometimes, that last %10 takes forever.
manic venture
true, just an idea, came across that when I joined the Prehistoric Kingdom server and thought it was a good idea.
But yeah I get you guys are experimenting and that doesn't really work out with it
untold root
Can I ask what the deal is with the compass when you sniff about that doesnt actually show where say the closest rough position of ai or plant is in an area?
the wriggly sound wave thing is kinda confusing when you first start as there isnt anything to say "hey this is here just to look pretty and doesnt actually mean anything"
But seriously an option to roughly choose what part of the island to spawn at would just make the game ever so much better when playing with friends freshly on a new server or fresh start
And a map in game so that you dont need to have two monitors or have to keep alt tabbing especially on a map this big. It is good to see icons or names to see where people are but it isnt anything good if you want to know how far away a person is... are they a 30min journey away or are they in the next valley over?
vestal rune
compass is there for specifically that, being a compass
untold root
a compass is kinda redundant if you dont know where a meeting place is if two parties are going to meet there from opposite areas, a map in a game has been a staple for a long time
for example if you were to tell a person new to the game to meet at the port they wouldnt know where to go, you could say go east but again it's such a large map that you could go a good distance out of your way before you angle around
grave karma
theres an interactive map that you can put your coords in to get a general scope of where you are and the direction
literally the 3rd most recent pin in #401464048610312195
untold root
that isnt in game though is it?
untold root
but that still requires having to tab out then or have on a second monitor
that's as lazy and unhelpful as someone saying "get gud scrub" when you ask for advice or complain that the ai is buggy as hell
untold root
but a simple picture of a map in a menu in game isnt a good suggestion because you can find a map online is a kinda laughable excuse, I know its a game in development by a small party but it would be more help and less confusing than a weird wavey thing beneath the compass that leads new players around in circles because they think it denotes where food is... because you know the compass only comes up when you sniff and a fancy wavey thing with high points kinda looks like there should be something in that direction
but to see a map you need to tab out of a game where not paying attention can make you dinner... great idea
delicate wing
Having a map takes that part of the game away. Your meant to learn your surroundings and the map, and remember things you see. Like a small lake, or a certain formation of rocks. It's a survival game, they don't want to hold your hand.
The compass is so if you remember a rock, then head north and find something, you will remember how to get there next time. And most animals only have a compass that tells them that. The compass just lets you sniff bushes, water and footprints. Not gonna just show you the ai and lead you too it. So it pretty much is a case of 'get gud' almost.
Your also a dinosaur. Can't really hold a map.
finite perch
Yes its frustrating, but its also one of the major perks to being a shitty, squishy, powerless mercenary is having the ability to pull up a map, or even have a GPS tell you where you are and where other things are. Its already coded in the game that you can, its just not intended for dinosaurs
You listen for AI, that's your closer-further scale. In the future, AI will be designated to certain zones just like food bushes are. Their footsteps appear when you sniff, and AI call every 10 seconds or so. The issue with finding AI is that there can only be so many AI on the map at a time, and they don't spawn properly. Being raised by another player actually means something, because you actually need to learn to survive
umbral tartan
@twin knoll mmm yes well you see meadows didnt exist because no grass
And utah lived a lot like dakotaraptor did (look at saurian for what I mean)
finite perch
whats why you nest in? few players actually nest in people without being willing to play with them
smoky cairn
Why every time people propose dinosaurs to add there are always people telling them no because the type of dinosaur is already present in the game? As all types of dinosaurs are in the game then for you no new dinosaurs can be added? The goal is also diversified by making several species, otherwise we will always meet the same dinosaurs as currently ...
Take the example of the suggestion for Ouranosaurus, and then you say no because there is already the Para. Ok super, so we have to play the Para if we want to play a dinosaur of this category? You will make the game too monotonous because we will always play the same dinosaurs and always see the same.
mental sleet
@sleek valley It is very likely that you will be able to poach eggs from nests as some dinosaurs in the future.
midnight bane
@sleek valley i actually really like your suggestion, would make nesting more fun
blazing charm
@crude slate Hatchlings are supposed to be vulnerable, it's the challenge for the parent to guard their nest.
crude slate
@blazing charm I agree, but it doesnt seem right that a stray carno or utah can be running at top speeds, and still be able to kill and entire nest of hatchlings. it gives the incentive for hatchlings to hide elsewhere besides the nest. perhaps lowering the nest's health along with my change would solve the problem.
blazing charm
That's just with the current combat system, that and the nesting system will probably drasticly change.
crude slate
the current combat system is heavily flawed, but im glad there is likely going to be change
outer nebula
also thats the point in nature many hatchling dont survive to adult hood
crude slate
@outer nebula of course, but an adult apex sitting on top of a nest does nothing to protect it at the moment
outer nebula
well yeah
crude slate
perhaps while a mother is incubating, hatchlings in the nest should be invulnerable
outer nebula
hmmm that takes away the risk factor of being a hatchling
crude slate
@outer nebula not really, the hatchlings would be vulnerable again if the mother stood up, meaning that there would have to be at least to parents present to properly guard the nest
of course the risk is slightly minimised though, and im saying that hatchlings are too vulnerable at this point
outer nebula
then what would stop something like a trike to constantly sit on a nest and something like a utah just stand on a trike and not be able to kill any of the juvies it the trike moves the juvies will get killed if the trike sit still the utah can just spam attack tell the trike is dead and then the juvies will die. im saying it can be easily abused and takes away the risk factor. the point is hatchling are vulnerable for a reason
also stop tagging me
barren zephyr
It still shouldnt be ez pz mode for anything to eat your eggs
I dont want stuff to zoom in
eat my eggs
and zoom away
with me not being able to do anything about it
even if I am over the eggs
outer nebula
hatchlings are not eggs
barren zephyr
Still considered a newborn and as fragile as asn egg can be
outer nebula
im just saying taking away of certain risk make it to easy for people
crude slate
why should a lone trike be able to safely raise a clutch of eggs?
if the trike had a partner that wouldn't be an issue
the change i suggested would shift some of the risk over to the parents
unborn quail
Keep in mind Collision basically negates that entire 'run through nest/parent' scenario
which is a large part of the games planned future
outer nebula
yup
valid elk
Yeah, and Triceratops is a huge shield head with horns a meter long
Only the big guys should challenge it
pale prairie
@grand solstice everything is going to have a "Landing" animation soon, so cerato and pachy won't be at a disadvantage.
umbral prairie
they will probably be less of a problem once you can just step over small rocks instead of getting stuck on them or running un in the air on them
indigo sun
@pale solar unfortunately velociraptor is too small to be considered as a playable. The limit is dryo/ptera. And velo would be entirely too small to do anything unless there's like 20. Also you can't say "add this thing to survival, it's cool"
grave karma
just stay as juvie utah lmao
indigo sun
Specifically states you cant say "add x cause it's cool" in the pinned messages.
hallow vigil
@valid flower "please update the game" is not a suggestion. Please be patient.
edgy furnace
upvoting own suggestion with 2 emojis
umbral tartan
yeah I do that
edgy furnace
bad
long heath
Sometimes reacting to an image is the only way to gain traction, so I mean...
Not implying I do it or everyone else is a wuss but some people are too scared to voice their opinions before others do.
paper oriole
Trike is already free snack to anybody remotely decent at rex/giga i dont think it should have to also sharpen its horns unless it noticably increases its damage from what it currently is. Thats just another handicap for herbivores that are already dying in population
grand brook
maybe the sharpenned horns are temporal boost in bleed before going back to the default stats?
It lasts for about a day ig, and progressively gets worse as time goes on. You can only do it once a day so as to not be exploited.
paper oriole
Honestly they shouldnt be punished for not scraping rocks it should only be for a buff and yea not spammable/exploitable
grand brook
that's why I prefer it to be a temporal thing that doesn't affect the default stats of the animal itself
even better if there were specific trees for them to use, as opossed to all trees.
paper oriole
Right now giga can take hits from trike while biting it then run off and endure the trike's bleed as the trike suffers and cant give chase, it could use something like this, but actually losing damage from its current amount if it forgets to scrape a tree (which would probably be loud as fuck too) would basically cripple it
Special rare things trike/diablo could scrape their horns on to give special damage bonuses like sharpen/bleed or coat/poison that wear over time back to default maybe. Maybe theri and stego could also get the same buffs (not that theri needs that right now)
teal grotto
@paper oriole well its ether being bone broken or bled you could also ask the Dev's to buff avas bite force damage so they can help the trikes take away the pressure that apexes inflict on herbivores cause those small terrors worry a bleeding apex.
Having 4 surround one even makes a bleeder panic
feral wedge
@barren zephyr No advertising in this Discord.
barren zephyr
yh sorry
edgy furnace
(also posting your discord in random places is a bad way to get people to join)
feral wedge
You could get people of malicious nature. Or bots. All sorts of things can go wrong.
long heath
The suggestion about food growing in trees...this would be perfect for the implementations of Camara, Shantungo and Therizino into survival.
Maybe Pachy could even ram into the bases of these trees to cause the fruit to fall?
vestal rune
shant isn't being added to survival lol(not as a playable)
long heath
Lame.
vestal rune
shant has always been a nightmare to balance
long heath
So have sauropods, but they're trying with Camara.
vestal rune
sauropods's haven't been a nightmare to balance
they're really big and powerful but slow as hell, not too hard
problem with sauropods was a shit juvenile stage and boring adult gameplay(being invincible) camara is a good fix for both
long heath
I said sauropods in general, they're using Camara as its smaller and less impossible to achieve as a playable Puerta/Brachio
vestal rune
oof I accidently said camara instead of sauropod
long heath
Also Camaras aren't all that big, they're only a little taller than Rex. If we're using height for terms, then Shant and Theri are the largest creatures on The Isle excluding strains and Puerta.
vestal rune
tbh, I'd think camara would get a size buff, their stats don't make sense for their current size lol
long heath
We need larger playable herbivores, and smaller playable carnivores. Mostly herbivores all have just been mid tiers.
Also I agree, they're using the smallest found specimen of a Camara pretty sure.
long heath
I don't mind mid tiers, but most herbivores from the Jurassic/Cretaceous period were known for being huge.
vestal rune
I mean, we have 2 large herbivores
long heath
It's not that I want a Puerta playable, that would be...really dumb actually.
And they're going to have 3 large carnivores soon with Spino.
vestal rune
3 large herbivores aswell, stego
vestal rune
it will be one
indigo sun
Stego's the size of and as dangerous as a trike
vestal rune
I consider para an apex, so stego certianly counts
long heath
That's a copout for not adding one of the larger herbivores.
indigo sun
At least according to dinosauriac
long heath
Para doesn't have the stats to be considered an Apex, its kind of big, but its stats are equivalent to potato salad.
No man or woman in the right state of mind likes potato salad.
paper oriole
Lmao did i just read "i consider para an apex"
long heath
I can't see Stegosaurus actively fending off Rexes and Gigas honestly, I feel it should stick to its primary predators of the time, Cerato and Allo.
paper oriole
W h a t
long heath
That has got to be the worst comparison I've ever heard for Para.
paper oriole
Yeah just what
indigo sun
Para isnt apex galli i think youre just fuckin high, mate.
vestal rune
nah dude
paper oriole
Herbis need more actual apexes
long heath
I see Parasaurolophus as the giant deer of The Isle, it SHOULD be fast, but it shouldn't be flimsy.
vestal rune
small tier runner = galli
mid tier runner = maia
apex runner = para
long heath
Just because something is big doesn't make it an apex in this game.
vestal rune
yes it does?
long heath
Perfect examples being Theri, Acro and Stego
vestal rune
theri is apex...
indigo sun
Doesnt theri beat the fuck out of things?
long heath
Good stats make for an apex, Theri does a lot of damage, but it keels over from 3 Rex bites, that isn't an apex.
long heath
Not to mention it's healing factors.
vestal rune
yet again, glass cannon
paper oriole
Does para stand a hair of a chance against the other apeces? nope cus it isnt an apex
indigo sun
Lower health, but high damage
vestal rune
it can kill practically everything
long heath
I don't think an apex herbivore should be considered a glass cannon.
indigo sun
And high speed
paper oriole
Theri may get 2-3 shot but it can kill rex too
vestal rune
so what, the only thing that are apex herbivores are big tanks?
long heath
Implying it doesn't bite you.
indigo sun
Theri can very much stand up to a rex if need be
vestal rune
well we already have one, trike, and we don't need another trike lol
indigo sun
We dont need constantly tanky herbivores.
paper oriole
Trike is shit rn lol we dont need more burgers
indigo sun
Or, i meant to type apexes
vestal rune
when people say "apex" they refer to size classes, if it's very large it's an apex
long heath
So because of that statement I can call Acro an apex.
vestal rune
no acro keels over in front of the other apexes
long heath
But it's big.
paper oriole
So does "apex" para lol
vestal rune
it's special and considered a "pseudoapex" or an inbetweener
long heath
So by your logic
vestal rune
if para is not an apex what is it?
long heath
Acro is an apex because it's big.
paper oriole
Mid tier
long heath
A mid tier.
paper oriole
Allo tier
vestal rune
para wrecks allo though?
paper oriole
It can go both ways
long heath
It really doesn't.
vestal rune
it's meant to atleast
long heath
Para doesn't have the combative efficiency to fight off Allos.
vestal rune
yes it does
long heath
It can kill them sure, implying the Allo tries to face tank.
paper oriole
Allos tend to fuck paras up from what ive seen but para can kill them if they dont know what theyre doing
vestal rune
I've never seen a para die to a single allo
long heath
But then you'll succumb to the bleed since Para's bleed heal is horse shit.
They don't die to the Allo, they die to the bleed.
long heath
Also you've never seen a Para die to an Allo probably because nobody plays them.
vestal rune
lol probably
long heath
Guess we're ignoring Pachy lol
vestal rune
para is fucked, but I'm fairly sure a single allo is not MEANT to kill it
paper oriole
When you are immobilized from bleed for sp long cus of shit bleed res and heal it can be death sentence
Even of you kill who bled you
long heath
There's also the factor of all that movement prior to resting can still kill you for some reason.
I killed a Utah after it bit me once, then I rested, but then the Pachy just flopped instantly with "DECEASED" in the top left of my screen.
vestal rune
that's a bug, or maybe the immunity only comes after you're fully sat down or something
long heath
Things can still die to bleed.
vestal rune
it's definetly not intended
paper oriole
And any smart carni will just use the herbis poor bleed res against them in a fight by preventing them from sittimg and keeping distance
long heath
It's not intended, yet Paras still die to bleed.
paper oriole
Since the carni can still run as para gives no bleed
long heath
That's why I hate Rex, they break your bone, sit down a short distance away and when you try to heal they run over and bite you again.
vestal rune
that's a pussy way of playing rex
vestal rune
those paras must of sucked majour dick
paper oriole
Probably
long heath
Para's headbutt can't reach down far enough to hit a Utah or Dilo
paper oriole
Was able to ass ride them with alt turn even
long heath
It's not the players fault, it's the fact that Para stands upright all the time, so its headbutt can only reach around Carno size.
vestal rune
well if they're not alt turning no shit
long heath
Why would alt turning matter in that situation if it's already slow as shit and wouldn't be able to hit you regardless?
The kick is unreliable since only when the animation ends can it hit a Utah.
The headbutt can't reach
long heath
Essentially when a Para is found by a Utah they're already done in.
paper oriole
Yeah their arm wiggle is fucked can confirm
long heath
The hitboxes for the kick only reach down once the Para's legs go as far down as they can go, and that's before the animation ends.
vestal rune
I don't think I've ever had problems hitting utahs as para though
long heath
You've met some stupid Utahs then.
Para is undeniably bad, its headbutt can't reach, and the kick is easily avoided.
vestal rune
if that's the truth then it's bad
long heath
These factors aside from the fact that "it's big" can't make for an apex.
long heath
Apexes are labeled as Apexes by good stats, size and good combative features.
vestal rune
I mean para is sort of iffy I get that, but somehting like stego and theri are undeniably apexes
paper oriole
A better example of a non durable apex is theri with its current stats, para is just a mid tier steak
long heath
Stego is big and probably going to strong, but I can't see it filling the "Apex Herbivore" niche.
vestal rune
that niche is already filled
long heath
If it doesn't get a size increase how could it fend off a Rex
mental sleet
It has thagomizers
indigo sun
New stego is bigger than the current one
vestal rune
I'm not sure what they'll do with stego lol
long heath
Thank god.
mental sleet
it's base damage n bleed are probably absurd
paper oriole
Itll probably deal batshit crazy bleed and basically force a frontal assault, at least id hope
indigo sun
New stego is legit the size of a trike. Not exactly the same, but around the same
long heath
I still disagree that its main assailants of its time, Allo aren't in the same class as Stego.
Just seems like a forced role to be put into.
paper oriole
Well herbis need more apexes either way
vestal rune
yes it is, you can't realistically add a bunch of different dinos in their natural states from different times and places and expect them to all be balanced around each other
ofc they're gonna be different from what they are IRL
long heath
I'm all for another large apex herbivore but Stego just seems forced.
paper oriole
Carnis will have 3 apexes with speen, 4 if you count +growth deino, herbis 2
long heath
I feel like herbivores should have a balanced amount of Apexes to carnivores.
vestal rune
I don't see the point
long heath
The apex predator situation is already bad as is.
vestal rune
the solution to that is making growing harder, not making apex herbs lol
long heath
Every apex should have a main countering herbivore.
paper oriole
There are more rexes on than all herbis combined pretty much
long heath
Trike and Rex, Camara and Giga.
Spino I'm not too sure yet.
I would say Theri but that's kind of iffy
vestal rune
spino is a fisher
long heath
Still an apex.
indigo sun
What's that giant whale someone wants? Livyatan? That could be the counter
vestal rune
ye but, it doesn't need an ideal dino prey item like the other 2, it's ideal prey includes fish
long heath
Read something about Spino being able to flip Ankies over.
A land food source I guess.
Even then once food source for land is kind of bad
lament kayak
spino could just be a carnivore killer instead of a herbivore killer
I still don't see stego as an apex either
maybe two are apexes
long heath
If we want a fully aquatic Spino might as well make it have tiny legs, tiny arms and give it fins.
vestal rune
tiny arms?
lament kayak
current spino looks like a land hunter as well
vestal rune
it's not fully aquatic lol, it's either terrestrial or semi-aquatic
indigo sun
Spino will, at least hopefully, be a choice for the player.
grave karma
give spino fins
indigo sun
They can choose to be more aquatic or terrestrial
grave karma
spino with fins wth
vestal rune
well I imagine you'll be able to hunt or fish
indigo sun
Eugh.. that mess. I forget about it sometimes
lament kayak
Theri could be the herbi that just fucks apexes that charge it head on, except for rex maybe
long heath
Anyway the new Spino looks like it could be entirely player choice of how it should be played, either a fisherman lifestyle or an active Hunter, like a slower Rex but it attacks faster.
Also more bleed.
You can't tell me that muscular chap just eats fish in this game.
long heath
Adaptive apex carnivore please.
indigo sun
Spino's lifestyle will be left up the the players
long heath
The other two have specific environments which will benefit them.
vestal rune
y'all don't know any of this
lament kayak
Is anky considered?
vestal rune
all we know is that spino will be able to fish, we don't really know anything else about how it will play lol
long heath
I mean, you thought Para was an apex...
lament kayak
Should anky be the "fuck you" to all apexes?
long heath
I don't see why Anky isn't considered, this thing could murder Rexes.
lament kayak
Trike should be more 50/50
long heath
I remember Dondi once saying once locational damage is in an Anky swing to a Rex's head should one shot it.
lament kayak
not the strongest herbi but one of the best
long heath
Or at least break a jaw or something
vestal rune
imo trike should destroy rex but be vulnerable to it if ambushed
lament kayak
Rex should one shot anky if it bites its head
long heath
Lol good luck to the Rex.
lament kayak
trike should be stunned by an ambushing rex
vestal rune
topped over?
lament kayak
Stunned
vestal rune
ew no
long heath
Speaking of stunned.
vestal rune
it already has bone break
long heath
Back to Para.
lament kayak
Rex is a chunky boi
long heath
Since Para's headbutt is unreliable and it can't kick while moving why doesn't it have a body checking attack.
vestal rune
counter?
long heath
Trike/Anky should undoubtedly counter Rex.
vestal rune
wtf does "counter" mean?
long heath
Not that Rexes will be actively going after Ankies, that's suicide.
barren zephyr
Beat head on.
vestal rune
oh
long heath
Trike could counter Rex, Anky could kill a Rex if the Rex is stupid enough to go for it.
lament kayak
If theri is added, it should be the least tanky
vestal rune
rex should be able to kill anky lol
long heath
Camara could counter Giga because sauropod hunters.
grave karma
what
vestal rune
what
barren zephyr
what
lament kayak
only if rex cronches anky head
vestal rune
sure
long heath
Imagine a Rex chewing on the back on an Anky expecting bone break.
long heath
That would render Anky completely helpless.
lament kayak
yup
long heath
That's no better than Rex's bone break situation.
lament kayak
but rex can also die
long heath
I would keep the head suggestion.
vestal rune
also tested it, para hits utahs fine with headbut
lament kayak
Due to the headshot
grave karma
"why wont this rock have a broken leg"
barren zephyr
Uh.
Theres no way possible for a rex to bite the Club off.
no way in hell
its gonna succeed in that
long heath
Isn't it like solid compact bone.
vestal rune
para hits utahs fine with both kick and headbutt
grave karma
juvie para
lament kayak
The base of the tail is also pretty thicc and armoured
grave karma
oneshotting utahs
long heath
I'm assuming the Utah was standing completely still for the kick.
vestal rune
ye but it dies instantly
long heath
That's not really testing.
grave karma
not really
vestal rune
well doesn't matter, para still headbutts
barren zephyr
try biting the base of the tail and get the base of your head turned into soup.
vestal rune
it hits the utahs just fine
grave karma
recks try to monch the bone ball, gets head bone broked
long heath
Implying the Utah isn't jumping all over the place and ass biting.
grave karma
para 2 shots utah with headbutt
grave karma
sometimes if your ping is high enough you can kill the utah while its riding your ass
or alt turn
long heath
I feel I should point out terrain also has to do with effectively killing Utahs.
grave karma
obv
long heath
If it's all flat then sure.
But in a survival scenario, like a little bit of a slope, or a bunch of rocks here and there, also trees.
vestal rune
yes absolutely para can't hit utah when the utah is below it
lament kayak
Anyway
vestal rune
but so can't, alot of other things
lament kayak
Stegos may not be able to kill apexes alone but rather when paired
long heath
^
long heath
That's the only time a Stego should be able to kill an apex predator
A Stego can hurt the apex, just not effectively fight it 1-1
lament kayak
Even kill it if the stego lands a few head shots
long heath
Because those plates are a legitimate weakness for Stego.
lament kayak
biting its tail should be fatal
long heath
Considering they're filled with blood vessels I'm pretty sure.
lament kayak
But rex may be able to break the tail
vestal rune
ye, they should add a mechanic where you just take the plates out during combat 
barren zephyr
Biting a stegos tail as anything large is like biting a cactus with large spikes on it
indigo sun
I think biting a stego's tail is more like putting a knife in your mouth tip facing the roof of your mouth and biting down.
lament kayak
Biting off the spikes but having it to time it well
long heath
I really think Rex shouldn't be able to cripple an animal's main line of defense just by giving it a nibble.
valid elk
A T.rexes jaws can crush a car with a good bite.
long heath
Stego and Anky don't have any other means of offensive protection except their tails.
lament kayak
Yeah
long heath
They would be chew toys at that point.
lament kayak
We can also have it that gigas die to apex herbis
long heath
I wish small animals could sit on Anky's back.
Not really serve a purpose, just for cosmetics
indigo sun
I wanna be able to ride on brachi/cama/anky as something small
long heath
Similar to how Minecraft has added "Environmental mobs" it would be a nice touch seeing small birds land on the backs of say Ankies or large animals.
Gigas hunted sauropods correct?
vestal rune
irl or ingame?
long heath
Irl
lament kayak
yes
lament kayak
It can do it in game
with pues and camas
its very doable with camas
1v1 is a tie if you are patient
long heath
Then Camarasaurus could be both their main target and main death toll
vestal rune
iirc giga's unique mechanic was ripping of chunks of flesh which would give it hunger and do alot of bleed, idk if this is planned but it's perfect for sauropod hunting
lament kayak
or even a giga victory
long heath
A Giga shouldn't be able to 1v1 a Camara lmao
lament kayak
Brb
vestal rune
I mean, it depends on what size they put camara at
long heath
A group of three should be able to kill a Camara, 1 or 2 hardly.
It needs a size buff to accommodate the stats.
vestal rune
apexes kill camaras easily even with their stats, though that's mostly cheese
hopefully if it gets added it'd get better combat aswell
long heath
Plus it's a sauropod, which were known for being big, but Dondi chooses the smallest specimen of Camara as a base point..
I get he's trying to make sauropods playable and of course, not as easily spotted, but Camara is barely bigger than a Rex.
If Cam was made just a little bit bigger I wouldn't mind.
@vestal rune Nah apex carnivores have a hard time, Rex is at a disadvantage since Cams can still stomp and tail whip with a broken leg, and their legs heal quickly.
Giga and current Spino really have the chance here, not Rex
vestal rune
ye I guess you need alot of bleed to kill a camara
long heath
Even then Camara has three attacks (if you count trample) that can be combo'd
My favorite thing to do is trample Gigas and Rexes, then hit them with the tail whip when leaving their hitbox.
Racks up a lot of hurt very quickly.
grave karma
cam cant stomp with a broken leg last time i checked
long heath
Weird, maybe I healed my leg just as I stomped.
Regardless the tail still hurts, a lot.
lament kayak
Trample plus tail hurts
baiting a stomp, biting tail and running works super well
Anyway
back on topic
long heath
What's weird is that Camara's stomp can still kill after the stomp lands.
long heath
That suggestion is golden
indigo sun
If utah gets to tap its claw in its idle, carno's itty bitty hands should be able to pat its belly like a seal
I love it
long heath
I wish Carno had an idle animation similar to that taunt from Primal Carnage: Extinction.
Kicking the dirt and snorting.
Fitting for the meat eating bull.
paper oriole
if dinosaurs can be pushed over with ramming and collision in the future i want carno to do that
lapis solstice
i think carno would probably break its neck at certain speeds trying to ram something, what speed do you intend?
grave karma
i think they mean pushing over smalltiers, but idk
south elm
Cam can stomp with a broken leg. i think its bugged
mental sleet
@cedar pulsar have to make it public
cedar pulsar
oh oops
mental sleet
It needs more development
There isn't any particular reason to go for plants or for fish.
cedar pulsar
yeah, thats why i said its just kinda the initial draft
mental sleet
Also that's one hell of a time discrepancy between growth cycles
Actually, not as bad as I first though, but why is it spending most of it's time as a sub ?
cedar pulsar
Mainly took that off of what apexes and trike does, since i think the sub has the longest growth time of each phase?
grave karma
speed on land and water when
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