Have you looked up utahraptors ?
#general-feedback-discussion
random knoll
normal fern
Wouldn't even be a problem if we had a choice
Like feathers and scaly
Bunny hands or realistic
formal vine
Why do you ask @random knoll ?
And what do you mean Skywalken?
Oh yeah, if we had a choce
choice*
to choose
random knoll
Well cuz I’m looking them up and they look like the new wrists
formal vine
lmao
random knoll
But that might be the angle that there at
formal vine
Show me picture
Heres one with the wrists
PROPER
and here is some bull-
Now I'm not saying utah should be feathered but c'mon atleast have proper wrists
grave karma
isnt that one the oldass deinonychus drawing
grave karma
i dont think it would get that bad
normal fern
It's not even about being realistic or not it's about the option to choose between the wrist types the same way we will be able to choose between feathers and scales
formal vine
But Dondi come on get the wrists proper lmao
normal fern
Like I don't care that their more realistic, I just prefer them facing inwards
random knoll
Ahh ok
tame bane
If I may add. There was a huge discussion about spino and how it couldn’t walk on all fours because its wrists would break to do that. If that level of reasoning and accuracy is used for spino do the same for Utah.
manic ibex
@sturdy lintel Paras have 4min10 of stam and have the same speed as Allo. They can oustam an endurance hunter and then kill it by stomping on it. It is not slow or weak by any means.
If by "anything big", you mean apexes, well just know that being either ambushed successfully by a Rex or followed and tracked by a Giga means death for pretty much all dinos right now, not just Paras.
sturdy lintel
Hmm okay just didnt look like it.. My herd was slaughtered by acros which have the same biteforce
@manic ibex
manic ibex
Acros are not even on survival right now, talking about it is just irrelevant, just like anything that isn't in survival.
sturdy lintel
Alright got it
formal vine
an ambushing giga can catch up to para at close range
grave karma
yep
wintry bough
What do you guys think of this idea I found on the steam forums
valid zephyr
isn't that basically prog?
wintry bough
Basically, I found it on stream forums and I hate it
Just want to get more opinions
valid zephyr
Well I preferred progression
analog ingot
dat dude know affinity is coming right? We probably wont have problems with too many of that dino in future or they will just be AI if noone plays em?
valid zephyr
superior game mode imo
as it encouraged a balanced ecosystem, rather than just being a mass of rexes
mental sleet
it's not superior in any way shape or form.
analog ingot
I understand your view, but personally want to grow the life of a creature I like, rather than play boring dryo to get to X dino etc (dryo isn't boring but lol)
mental sleet
It's just that it was better balanced than survival is at this point in time.
So it was more fun because of that.
analog ingot
True
mental sleet
The gamemode itself involved going through a multitude of animals you didn't want to play to get to the one you did.
wintry bough
I hated progression because playing as that damn velo was sooo boring
And starving to death was super common
analog ingot
Some stages were boring because they didn't had anything to em back then.
wintry bough
And back then apex’s were still super common
valid zephyr
prog had no AI and no scent which didn't help starving
trouble with survival is there is nothing to stop 90% of players picking rex and nothing else. The result is hordes of apexes across the map.
white torrent
I never really got to experience Prog
valid zephyr
The downside of it was you didn't get to play the dino you wanted, as it would be top tier and take ages to get to.
The upside was there was tons of smaller things, a few medium things, and rare apexes like in a proper ecosystem.
Until nesting came in at least.
barren zephyr
and there wasn't that much carnis
patent spade
@barren zephyr you do realize the recode will allow them to fix all that shit and implement the mechanics needed for flying and water dinos right??
indigo sun
That was talked about a while ago
So, not really much of a reason to ping them bring that whole thing up. It was explained to them last night
barren zephyr
^
vestal rune
there would be less rexes if it was harder to become one
tender rampart
I’m sure we can ALL agree that there would be less Rexs if Gigas just spawned sharks to eat them...
tender rampart
🦈 🦈 🦈
surreal ingot
We ain’t doing the shark crap again
tender rampart
Hahaha 😂
mellow maple
I mean we have Mesozoic crocodillains and Mesozoic Pterosaurs...
surreal ingot
I think I’ve seen enough of em for a life time
mellow maple
How about Mesozoic sharks? Jkjkjk
mellow maple
They wacky anyway
south flower
I’ve looked up some Utahraptor skeletons and to me personally, the wrists look like they could be like what the new ones are. But there’s different variations of the skeletons so I can’t be 100% accurate.
grand brook
the one in the middle is a deinonychus
south flower
Odd, it was on a Utahraptor info page
darn google lol
grand brook
in fact the last one is the only one that can trully be called a utah, because a few years ago utahs were represented as overgrown deinonychus. In reality they looked basically like a discount allo
south flower
Huh, neat! Honestly, the wrists are the least of my worries. I feel people are being a bit too dramatic about it, but I can see why people want to lean for realism when it comes to structure of the creatures.
still temple
a JP raptor doesn't belong in TI
south flower
I was hoping to find an actual skeleton photo instead of an illustration, but the only one I found most accurate was the 3rd picture I posted.
barren zephyr
funny, these illustrations are more accurate
because the skeletons you shown are outdated
in terms of reconstruction
south flower
That may be so, but I like to look at the skeleton actually standing.
And I know the pictures I posted aren’t 100%, I admitted to that already.
barren zephyr
@clear swan
Compsognathus is far from being the smallest dinosaur
there are countless dinosaur genuses far smaller
clear swan
ok.
analog ingot
dont trust the isle wiki pls. Everyone hates it lol
valid zephyr
The isle community hasn't hit critical mass, therefore doesn't have a good wiki.
paper oriole
oof
jovial moss
I think compies would be way too small to be playable in game... unless they got a huuuuge size boost or something
I mean whats a 5 pound stick dino gunna do against a 300 pound juvie?? there'd need to be like 20 just to fight juvies
indigo sun
yeah i'm pretty sure theyre very below the size limit, and just like velo, it'd be literally the most useless thing in the game. it wouldnt be able to fight even the weakest of things, and it'd still be close to useless in groups
barren zephyr
Compies would only really make a good replacement for Velos. They're basically the same in the case of the game
jovial moss
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Vraptor-scale.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Compysizes1.png
even a velo would give like 3 compies trouble
wtf is it gunna do to a taco? or oro? or ava? nothing, they're just too small
oblique sluice
So basically giga/acro hybrid with allo model @native vault
native vault
Exactly hah
oblique sluice
Giga it's enough hard to balance
we don't need another one tbh
also i really doubt sauro it's more than just a big allo but thats more #paleotalk
native vault
I didn't say it's a bigger Allo, I said it's like a bigger Allo
Sauropods is quite different than Allo though
unborn quail
wh-Wha
oblique sluice
^
unborn quail
It's name has been Synonymous with Allosaurus for years now
native vault
A. Maximus you mean?
unborn quail
Correct.
native vault
Yeah
oblique sluice
basically
balmy dirge
@young surge that would only cause more kosing
unborn quail
Like, i'm all for Allosaurus, but we don't need a literal upscaled one to serve as apex, We have giga for that exact reason
oblique sluice
We like it or not it's actually hard find a dinosaur unique enough to fit in the roster rn
native vault
People really complain about Giga's speed, Sauro could be fast but have bad stam like Acro
unborn quail
So could Giga.
oblique sluice
yeah
unborn quail
They only complain about rex being faster
unborn quail
That too^
indigo sun
oh yeah
keen trail
The saurophaganax sound cool but it’d only be an Acro re skin except probably not as fast and better stam
unborn quail
Hard to be an Acro reskin when Acro is still bigger than you
native vault
re skin
oblique sluice
It'd only be another balance problem
keen trail
Eh true
Or maybe a giga re skin with that bleed stuff
It’d fill the same niche as the giga if it were an apex giga
random knoll
you mean the shark thing
keen trail
I mean apex
native vault
It could be a re skin smh
keen trail
no the suggestion above mine
unborn quail
Still not really big enough to be an apex.
keen trail
Yeah
unborn quail
A. maximus was big, But it was still dwarfed by Tyrannosaurus and Giga
jovial moss
We don't need more carnivore apexes anyway
random knoll
gimme some herbis
oblique sluice
It fits more in the role ''pseudoapex'' what it doesn't exit in survival
jovial moss
yes pls more herbis
indigo sun
so, youre pretty much just throwing a bunch of stuff together to come up with stats. it'll apparently be a mix of acro, giga, allo, and dilo. and we really dont need another carni apex. we've got 4 already, if you count deino as an apex, which i kinda do, so i dont see the point of saurophaganax besides "yeah it's a cool dinosaur could be a mix of all these things"
oblique sluice
I like a lot A.maximus but nope, there is no place for him
keen trail
We need more herbivore than carnivore species
oblique sluice
We don't
indigo sun
it really just seems like a useless addition
keen trail
It’d make things more balanced. Every server I’ve played on over 50% is carnivore players
The majority are carnivore players
oblique sluice
adding more herbivores don't mean people will play more herbivores
just make the ones we have actually interesting
keen trail
I mean it would add more herbivore play styles
native vault
We need more herbs apexes smh
jovial moss
considering currently there is only ONE herbivore apex, yes we need more herbs
indigo sun
yeah i dont see how putting more herbivores in balances out the population. adding more doesnt make them less boring
oblique sluice
stego coming, anky might be (i hope)
keen trail
We have 2 playstyles for herbivores: fast and weak, big and strong
With the exception of their
Theri
oblique sluice
Theri will be a headache for balance
mental sleet
so you can only really go with those two you mentioned
native vault
Currently Trike is the only one that can protect a herd and it still can be easily killed by a Rex
keen trail
Maia is weak and big
mental sleet
that won't be permanent, hexa.
native vault
I'm talking abt other servers too
mental sleet
we don't know if the devs plan on maintaining this change post-recode
keen trail
Not everything in the game is limited to the official servers, hex’s
random knoll
o there getting rid of it?
mental sleet
others servers apart from official are actually irrelevant.
oblique sluice
well trike can mix herd with dryo
keen trail
There are unnoficals as well
mental sleet
in terms of balancing
oblique sluice
and ava
jovial moss
herbs need to be actually focused on and balanced, hopefully once the recode is out they'll focus on giving them their power back
oblique sluice
other than pachy and trike
keen trail
I agree with the “herbs need to be more fun” the most
oblique sluice
i don't see much more problems with herbs
keen trail
There needs to be a reason to play as them
oblique sluice
balance wise i mean
mental sleet
The only thing that can help with that is affinity
and better developed systems for nesting.
native vault
What do you think abt Diplo
oblique sluice
we have camara
native vault
It's small af
keen trail
Diplo sounds interesting...
oblique sluice
because it's bugged af
keen trail
But yeah we do have camara
oblique sluice
same with acro and sandbox dinos
mental sleet
Just upsize camara.
native vault
It used to be bigger
mental sleet
and fix the sauropod issues
keen trail
Yeah camara, from what I heard, but a bit larger than it is in game
native vault
Diplo looks better imo
pulsar lake
Acro AI rework ❤
oblique sluice
it does
keen trail
Acro gonna be ai?
native vault
it can always be a re skin
oblique sluice
uh....
mental sleet
that makes no sense
oblique sluice
too different
pulsar lake
Acro will be an AI yes @keen trail
keen trail
Oh nice
oblique sluice
it's like
native vault
wait really
keen trail
Maybe Alberto will make it to survival
mental sleet
look them up freze.
keen trail
As well as herra
pulsar lake
I've made an Alberto suggestion a little bit before
keen trail
I think alberto is pretty well balanced as it is now besides the fact you can kill rexes quite easily with them
native vault
Would Cama ever make it to survival though
oblique sluice
meh
pulsar lake
Alberto is too fast
oblique sluice
just make alberto what is sub rex now
pulsar lake
Mhhhhm
pulsar lake
I think, alberto should be a better sub rex
keen trail
Except faster than sub rex
native vault
Yeah
pulsar lake
Like dibble is for trike, allo is for giga and sucho will be for sub spino
keen trail
If Alberto were sub rex it’d just be getting attacked by allo packs all the time
oblique sluice
sub rex 1.0 shits on allo
manic ibex
how about alberto packs
pulsar lake
Okay sub are more powerful but in general mid tier have more chance to survive
native vault
uh oh
pulsar lake
A sub apex who meet an apex, except sub rex, is just dead
But mid tier can escape
Except sucho
native vault
What do you guys think about Diplo? I guess Cama won't make it to survival so Diplo could be something really interesting
indigo sun
who said cama wont make it to survival? i dont remember that ever being specifically said?
oblique sluice
and if cama is in survival, no point on diplo
native vault
cama is buggy
oblique sluice
fix it
native vault
pue too
oblique sluice
problem solved
indigo sun
pue's gone, so no ppoint made there
keen trail
@pulsar lake wdym sucho is not a good competitor against allo? Sucho absolutely shits on allo. I 1v6 allos packs on my sucho
indigo sun
and cama can just... be fixed. i dont see how this is a hard concept for some people to grasp
pulsar lake
Trample damage of cama won't be too powerful when collision will come and than god
Competition is about hunt
Not fight
native vault
If Cama would make it to survival it would be good
keen trail
I do lol
And win
Kill an allo in like 4 bites ha
Now yes a large allo pack can sometimes hunt apex, and sucho can’t because of its speed, but it can easily compete against allos and win
oblique sluice
apex more like rex
pulsar lake
No you don't understand.
Allo is an hunter in pack who hunt apexes and mid tier.
Sucho is a scavenger, fisher hunter of baby and pterosaur. He is not adapted to hunt large stuff.
That why Alberto could be a competitor to Allo
oblique sluice
giga if is retarded or don't alt turn
unborn quail
@pulsar lake Small gripe, There's a special thing with Alberto that can easily make it unique next to a Rex, and that's it's extremely lithe build, meant for speed, Personally, this kinda just looks like the exact thing people didn't want with Alberto, and that's smaller rex
Just another bruiser crusher who just kinda walks up and chomps
keen trail
I get it in realism yes, sucho is absolutely no match for allos and never will. But I’m on my sucho right now at party plains on a server with 150 people and I live there! How do you think I survive?
I survived so many rex pairs hunting me
I’ve been living here for weeks
barren zephyr
@native vault u do realize saurophaganax is an allosaurus right?
keen trail
Lol
unborn quail
Which is, again, why @blazing charm's approach to the animal was so supported, it took note of the adaptions the animal had compared to Rex, and turned it into something different by acknowledging the lack in bulk it had as compared to other similarly sized animals
@barren zephyr We told 'em
blazing charm
Ayy lmao
barren zephyr
im always late loll
unborn quail
Like, I'm always glad to see more Alberto suggestions, but that just feels like smaller rex that ignores Albertos specific adaptions
pulsar lake
Well
Iwill
I will sleep and don't sleep
So I go to bed
Bye...
I wanted to talk about Alberto fuck
But alberto can be fast and have not a good stam like rex
But here I try to make alberto not a slow ass and not a speedy boy but a resonable dinosaurs who is fast, like normal, with a god ambush, but we can make it slow with a bigger speed steal and a really fucking good ambush.
unborn quail
Look at how myself, bruce, and jaffad did it, Picked an animal to balance it around(Allo), Sat down, figured out how we could make it fast, like the animal is meant to be, came out with glass cannon/high damage lad
blazing charm
AND BRUCE
unborn quail
I'm not saying your idea was bad, Just it feels too similar to rex.
pulsar lake
I will rewrite anothzr one one day
Can you show me your suggestion?
I want to read that
pulsar lake
Thank you
still temple
If Trike and Diablo is a thing, I see no reason why Rex and Alberto can't be a thing 
analog ingot
I can see Alberto being added in. Dont know why people keep comparing it to sub rex or rex at all. We have wolves, coyotes and foxes living in same ecosystem with different niches. And this is a game, so niches should be possible to create but challening cause we need to think about other animals too and how it affects the ecosystem.
Now that we are getting morphs, sub rex can no longer stay sub (I think?) so Albert is welcomed.
oblique sluice
Basically morph opened more the door for alberto being added as playable
still temple
alberto resize wen
analog ingot
Is our current Albert smaller or bigger than irl?
oblique sluice
oblique sluice
Also Nova, the alberto on that document wouldn't make allo force to fight if alberto wants, wound alberto terrible but just sit and heal?
blazing charm
What?
unborn quail
Not following, sorry, am big brain
oblique sluice
It's mb, my eng just sucks ass
I mean, it is faster than allo
So if they are kinda close and alberto wants to fight, allo is forced to fight
blazing charm
To clarify, that particular version of the document is pretty much obsolete due to the upcoming mechanic/balance changes that will happen post-recode.
unborn quail
^
unborn quail
For a general sum up, Allo and Alberto is very much, least for me, something that is just unpredictable in a one on one fight
So even if Alberto wants to fight, isn't a guaranteed win
Same on Allo's hand
oblique sluice
Some idea about alberto turn radius?
unborn quail
Decent, i'd say, similar to Allo's if not slightly worse on the sprint to give Allo some sort of upper hand if it tries to put some distance
oblique sluice
Thats cool
unborn quail
The nice thing with new combat is Speed kind of becomes sub-relevant in combat, So like, Tail attacks aren't doing anything, so if you're deciding to flee, you won't need to worry about being nuked from behind
oblique sluice
Yep, we can only wait and see what is coming
unborn quail
Mhm, but Alberto will be seeing a complete overhaul once we have more details, We want to perfect an Allo rival, Alberto looked to be the best option
Carno is a small game hunter, Cerato's too small, Sucho mainly fishes and is just way too big.
oblique sluice
Alberto is the only one that can rival Allo in a 50/50 way
analog ingot
Dont forget biomes in future. Idk if they will provide recommended niches for each dino. But that should keep the albert and allo meeting too often or something cooled. (Actually not sure.
still temple
Getting BB from being nipped on the tip of ur tail in the old days 
analog ingot
Horrible flashbacks
unborn quail
@oblique sluice Glad to see someone who actually realizes that an equally strong mid tier is better then another 'low class' or 'high class' mid
Another middle man 👌 
oblique sluice
Mid tier master race
mellow maple
@pulsar lake I'd be very in favor of adding Alberto. But I have more of a bias for Gorgosaurus.
Rn I play sub-rex because it's the closest thing to it.
Tyrannosaurus is way too bulky for my taste
So I'd rather play its faster relative, the albertosaurines
clear swan
@grim stump tbh I'd live the "seducing female" idea, it does sound a tad weird lmaoo , but it would make the isle a lot more realistic and impressive , and might make ppl want to play as male. Do you know any moves that dinos do to attract a mate?
indigo sun
i dont see the point of that really. i dont think an animation or call will make people want to play males when you could just as easily include them in the nesting process as a necessary element and then people would need to be males instead of asexual females
grave karma
at most it'd be a mod, even then it'd probably be for the meme
paper oriole
perfection
violet magnet
5-call: Mating Call
paper oriole
mating dances when
sick gale
I think adding mating dances and similar animations could be neat unlockable content. Players who like nesting already go all out with taking care of babies, etc.
Or if we could create our own custom ones from existing pieces in character creation
oblique dust
so I'm starting to think that herbivores should get global chat again.
paper oriole
yes
oblique dust
but a restricted form of global chat that's either limited to their same species, and/or other species within their suborder.
because while having like, 8 trikes join a herd of mid-tiers, or having like a group of 25+ paras can be cancerous for smaller carnivore packs,
it seems like the complete removal of global chat has kinda decimated herbivore players, especially on official servers.
paper oriole
such groups of herbis are rare nowadays lol i havent seen more than 2 paras in one spot on a survival server in ages
oblique dust
I've come across a few
paper oriole
most of them that i see are chilling in safezones on those pussy servers
oblique dust
but for new players who don't know about server discords, or for players who just prefer going solo until they manage to meet or find someone in-game, it's kind of impossible finding herds at the moment.
and yeah you're right, most of them either go in safezones or in extremely unpopulated, isolated corners of the map.
paper oriole
yea the social aspect is literally the only perk of being an herbi these days they could at least make that part easier
oblique dust
it used to be much more social though, but it's not anymore.
paper oriole
most paras i talk to are just trying the dino out because they never bothered before too
oblique dust
I would say even carnivores are more social/friendly with each other nowadays.
paper oriole
pretty much
oblique dust
carnivores have kind of stolen the herbivores' perks, thanks to how easy they have it now.
paper oriole
there's basically more rexes on any populated server than all herbis combined
oblique dust
and the gameplay aspects for both herbivores and carnivores have suffered as a result.
yeah the apex issue is still incredbily out-of-hand.
indigo sun
Idk why you'd want everything to know youre in an area. Both ruins any chance something smaller or weaker would ever come into your territory and increases the chance something larger and hungry will ffind you and kill you
Territories just... dont feel like a good idea in a game where everything is either out to kill you or doing its best to avoid getting killed by you
paper oriole
maybe territories would only work between species
like an allosaurus could see if an area is claimed by another pack of allos
idk
not a fan of territories myself anyway
oblique dust
even then I still can't see it working out since dinosaurs might end up being stricted to certain biomes thanks to the affinity system
indigo sun
I mean, at least they didnt suggest shit as a twrritory marker
oblique dust
and even then, their prey items will be forced to migrate around the biome for food, so they'll have to track them down as well.
could lead to a looooot of unwanted conflicts
indigo sun
I dont know many things, besides herbivores which are basically gone at this point, and nesting dinosaurs, that stay in the same area long enough to claim it as a territory, but idk maybe that shit's all the rage on nonofficials or something
paper oriole
the few serves ive been in with territories just have drama in global 100% of the time "you can't drink from this lake gtfo this is our lake"
"hey admin can they stop me from drinking form this lake?" /10 min fight about drinking
oblique dust
I think conflicts between packs would be fun, but it shouldn't be such a common event to the point where it becomes repetitive, grindy or even drama-inducing
paper oriole
@floral plover rex's hit is so wonky because of the fucked up code, which they are fixing and combat is getting reworked as a whole
indigo sun
Yeah. I was gonna say, that's not like, on purpose. It's just that the code's fucky, so the bite's fucky.
It's more of a bug than anything, not really something that needs to be "nerfed," i dont even know how you can nerf a hitbox honestly
paper oriole
yea they gotta clean up mister master coder's mess before they can really progress with anything like that
floral plover
The new comfort system is coming next patch right with the recode which is what it basically is?
indigo sun
Comfort?
indigo sun
Oh
oblique dust
doubt it
the release of the recode won't instantly result in a plethora of new content for us
indigo sun
The ass-biting should just be resolved just by cleaning up all that nasty spaghetti code left behind, it's not really combat-mechanic specific.
oblique dust
they'll still add things overtime, but a much faster rate than we used to get. supposedly...
indigo sun
It'd be fixed regardless of any new combat stuff
floral plover
Thank god
white torrent
I just want a new combat system, one without ass riding or alt turn
umbral tartan
@grim stump
valid zephyr
teal grotto
not a bad idea..
cause atem females are only both genders in one and it would give the male something to do.. and would give equal to both male and female the ability to make a nest..
hey.. im not wrong am i?
umbral tartan
No
Just no
Touch for seduce female is a no no
The recode is toying with your mind
valid zephyr
Except nesting is useful. 'touch to seduce female' is not.
teal grotto
Still need a way to stop the females from infesting servers just by them selves they are not Xenomorphs
valid zephyr
Imo it should be female has to place the nest and build the first 50%. A male then has to build the second 50%. This locks in both parents.
Babies would then be able to make a skin using the skin selection screen, but limited to the colours of the parents in its slots.
If the male dies, the nest goes down to 50% and a new male has to rebuild it.
lament thorn
I dont think the male dying should destory the nest
valid zephyr
Or maybe no new eggs can be made until a new male 'registers' with the nest.
teal grotto
1 time a single giga mother gave birth to like 20 giga babies just her self lol
valid zephyr
But the old eggs are still viable even if the male dies.
umbral tartan
If they arent fertilized, they have to get pooped somewhere
lament thorn
id prefer a simple 'fertilse' button on a nest that the male has to press to activate it
valid zephyr
Maybe per egg, so the nest isn't perma activated by a single male.
lament thorn
I think it would be interesting for males to try and guard females that are building nests to ensure he is the sire
teal grotto
What i think is once the female or male that builds the nest they need a mateiarch and a patheriarch.. Then the male and female need to register to the said nest in order to start making eggs.. aka female sitting on the nest.
but once the male or female dies they can not make any more eggs
valid zephyr
What I don't want are these creepy seduce/mating/egg laying anims people keep suggesting.
oblique crown
Lol
umbral tartan
If you fertilise eggs with female, but female already has eggs from prev male, the male would want to destroy those eggs
oblique crown
Yeah fuck that just give dilo a hop
umbral tartan
For affinity bonus
teal grotto
im just saying a simple way to settle it without the graphical things
lament thorn
even tho most people will be nesting with friends it would be nice if it still casued a little bit of conflict
valid zephyr
Males do need a use in this game, but 'touch to seduce female' sure as hell isn't it.
umbral tartan
Comrade we already covered that what he said was wrong
teal grotto
female creates a nest then... nest UI comes up.. (note says) Can not create eggs without partner male species here) then the male opens up the UI for the nest and clicks on the patriarch section.. other partner gets the request to be patriarch.. then partner clicks accept.. THEN they can store food and then the female can lay on her nest..
thats the solution
teal grotto
the same thing pops up.. but if there are eggs ready for others the female can still invite new ''children'' into the nest..
lament thorn
pretty sure every dino is getting a set amount of eggs per nest
so they cant just be used as an endless spawner
teal grotto
So friend dies.. female cant gestate any new eggs
but can incubate if its in that stage
you just cant create new eggs by your self.
understanding the entire thing?
so if the new male wants to take the place of the current patriarch he has to kill him then just do the whole click on the empty patriarch option
rinse and repeat..
With that.. you wont see an infestaion of apexes and the whole thing killing your own thing.. so players will need partners in order to make a nest operational.
hope that helps solve both problems..
azure arch
mating animation
= eggo
No mating animation = no eggo
or the male can just sit on top of a female while on nest
and that'll make eggs.
cunning glacier
um...
cunning glacier
What a world
near ginkgo
guys, just touch for seduce female
surreal ingot
Ah yes
icy moat
Or at least being able to attack. My gal has standards, and her standards are grills
blazing charm
@azure arch You need to provide more details than just "X would be fun"
What would be its unique mechanics?
azure arch
Right
indigo sun
Feels really off to put that in a dinosaur game, but maybe that's just me.
azure arch
There's always kaprosuchus
vestal rune
isn't smilodon smaller than utah?
oblique sluice
I just see cenozoic creatures working in a far, far away dlc with their own map
valid zephyr
Kentro should be smol tier rather than medium tier
1500-1700kg
somthing like that
also why have so many people reacted badly to it?
kentro would be a good addition
we have 3 incoming carnis and only a single incoming herbi.
nocturne sonnet
my mood wnet down 3 carnies 1 hebr maybe the plateo could be a good mid tier but how can be people so negativ
valid zephyr
plateo would just be food. it's awful
and evidently from the reactions people don't want kentro 😦
seems like it would be a fun dino imo
small spiky thing which inflicts a ton of bleed if you try to bite it or somthing
vestal rune
3 carnis? I'm probably having a shitty memory lapse but weren't we only getting dieno and ptera?
also, you shouldn't be adding herbis just because they'res alot of carnis, you should add herbis so they can fill a gameplay style not filled before
surreal ingot
Yeah
vestal rune
ye idk how there's 3 carnis
valid zephyr
Deino, Ptera, and Spino announced for carnis. Stego for herbis.
vestal rune
oh spino
valid zephyr
that's 3 carnis and 1 herbi.
vestal rune
spino is far from incoming, it's model isn't even done yet I think
vestal rune
but all 3 of those carnis bring very unique gameplay to the isle, that's why they're being added
you shouldn't add herbis just because there's alot of carnis lol
valid zephyr
kentro would also add unique gameplay though
mental sleet
no ?
valid zephyr
a small tier which is painful to mess with for larger dinos.
vestal rune
would it? I'm kinda having doubts stego would be all that unique
mental sleet
It's a smaller stego with spikes.
It's juvenile stego but slightly stronger and just as slow.
vestal rune
ye
mental sleet
There's not much you can make with it.
surreal ingot
Pretty much
valid zephyr
that's like saying spino is larger sucho with sail
vestal rune
not really
mental sleet
But the difference here is that the difference between them is with the way they acquire food.
vestal rune
spino will have entirely different habitats and food sources
mental sleet
With Sucho having more chances to fish and inhabiting less dangerous ground.
vestal rune
while kenro is literally just a small stego
mental sleet
Spino has to tussle with stronger, more dangerous creatures.
valid zephyr
personally i think kentro should be small tier which does damage when bitten. The bigger the thing biting it, the more damage.
that makes it easy for utahs to kill it, but a rex won' tbe able to wipe a herd as it would rack up too much bleed.
mental sleet
But Rexes are meant to be rare
valid zephyr
lol
mental sleet
what good does it make for you to be specialized against ONE type of predator
when it's supposed to be a rare sight
That adds nothing to the animal.
It's placego
Placebo*
valid zephyr
basically make it a small tier which is more resistant the larger the thing biting it.
it's not just rexes. it's spinos and gigas
and moderate amount of bleed to mid tiers
while small tiers avoid the spikes and don't get bleed
you can argue lots of creatures are just smaller versions of others
dibble is small trike.
sucho is small spino
mental sleet
Not on that last case, but I get the idea.
valid zephyr
also with varied diets, it could have a different biome and diet to stego
mental sleet
I just don't find the way you are trying to differentiate kentro from juvi stego good enough, or even useful in most cases.
valid zephyr
difference is stego is a lot more offensive than kentro.
would do a lot more bleed damage by swinging its tail
mental sleet
Kentro is a ball of spikes.
valid zephyr
but no penalty for biting it
mental sleet
Kentro's best weapon would be running at shit and hitting them in the ankles.
surreal ingot
Pretty much
surreal ingot
So basically it’s a bleed machine
valid zephyr
a lot weaker attack than juvie/sub stego, but focused on being hard to kill
it just makes it hard for an apex to wipe the entire herd for lols. It can kill a single one and eat it fine, but killing lots at once will keep piling on bleed.
The other herbis i'd like to see are cama, anky, and theri tbh
oak shale
@pulsar lake Alberto shouldn’t have 14 bleed per bite if it’s going to be a crusher
oak shale
Also With this suggestion you made you should take some balance into account, rather than just saying some dinosaurs need to be changed Allo and rex are pretty ok where they are at (apart from the 12 second ambush, but besides that, nothing else should really change)
Alberto should be faster than rex by quite a bit imo
That bleed heal is also too bad I up it a little
minor basalt
Why ass kentro when there's other unique dinosaurs already in the game
Theri, anky, camara
valid zephyr
God I hope we don't get theri before the devs work out feathers.
Naked theri needs burn.
Hopefully the devs decide the cama is suitable for addition.
jovial moss
I mean, kentro and stego are more unique compared to each other than allo and giga or sucho and spino
jovial moss
They all look similar is my point, not adding kentro cuz stego and anky exist is like not addign sucho cuz spino exists
they're similar, but they can behave differently
oak shale
Hmm
nocturne sonnet
what about plateo
jovial moss
I like plateo, but idk what it'd do
nocturne sonnet
it could do the attack the theri has where it hits 3 times like look at the claw on the front legs
it could tail swipe maybe
it could be a strong mid tier herb
nocturne sonnet
and with 3 carnies and 1 herb for survival its sad
minor basalt
Yes, but right now, there's potential for 3 other herbivores to be added
Even so, variety isn't everything. Two of those carnivores have gameplay that are completely different than any other animal
Meanwhile a kentro just doesn't do much niche wise, besides serve as food for mid tiers
crude slate
@feral wedge can it possibly be done for unofficial servers?
feral wedge
jovial moss
Kentro: Fast, very defensive bleed inducing small tier
Stego: Slower, large, offensive bleed inducing apex
Anky: Slowest, large, defensive bone breaker crippling apex
jovial moss
It'd function like a lion fish I bet, when it's spooked it slaps you with its tail or shoulders and you regret trying to touch it
mellow maple
Like how all stegosaurians should be 😠
nocturne sonnet
you could only attack at the head if you dont wanna get dmage
mellow maple
probs
I like the idea of a discount stego
I imagine stego would be a chore to work up towards
And maybe Kentro could be the weaker but faster to grow version
jovial moss
It wouldn't be a discount stego, it'd be it's own thing, diablo isn't discount trike bc tbh diablo invalidates trike lol
mellow maple
Like how Diablo is to Trike
Okay well, discount is probably a bad term to use lol
But I meant like, within the family of ceratopsids
jovial moss
well yea
mellow maple
the same thing would apply to stegosaurians
jovial moss
having more variety "in between" tiers would be nice
jovial moss
the jumps between small and mid and mid and apex are waaaay too big
oak shale
@jovial moss ah someone who understands
jovial moss
👌
grave karma
atleast carnivores its 3.6 to 5.8, which isnt even 2x
valid zephyr
At this point we should just get shant as the nest herbi.
that would swing the pendulum back away from carnis
mental sleet
Shant needs to stay where it currently is
away from playability, in sandbox.
It makes Giga's balance problem seem small.
unborn quail
^
surreal ingot
Shant doesn’t deserve to be in survival
mellow maple
I wanna play as the meatcow SMH
Shant would be fine for survival tho. It'd be the other apex herbi that can take on the likes of rex.
Plus that Q dance is what I wanna use in survival
The juveniles would be absolutely adorable
paper oriole
but dont you know, anything with an advantage against rex in a fight isn't allowed in survival! especially an herbivore!
valid zephyr
Shant would work fine in survival imo, but would need rebalancing.
jovial moss
Shant would need it's speed reduced a bit, like a lot of progression-era dinos it's super fast for what it is
and maybe a slight weight reduction
otherwise shant is actually killable
by bleeders especially
unlike giga
sick gale
In case people didn't know, the Utah will probably not stay a Utah and may acquire a different name. The game takes heavy inspirations from JP for reasons and current Utah model is not super scientifically accurate. I've seen a lot of suggestions and feedback about the wrists, but imo they do more for the design of that particular model.
mellow maple
A fictional genus then.
Though I guess what sets people off even more is that all theropods couldn't do that. So what gives that raptor the exception.
Every other theropod doesn't rn, why is that raptor so special smh
paper tendon
No what sets people off is they dont want just a copied version of the JP raptor
They would like something new and original
sick gale
I guess I'm one of the few that actually likes it
jovial moss
It's not that it's terrible, but it's inconsistent with the rest of the dinos in the game
barren zephyr
shant can get easily fucked by a rex in a 1v1 and ur telling me its broken?
jovial moss
if all the dinos were JP dinos I'd understand, but just the raptor being a straight up JP raptor is odd
valid zephyr
Ah yes encouraging corpse guarding. What a great suggestion...
I don't get why people keep putting in suggestions which would make the games issues worse.
torn thistle
@lethal salmon Gotta explain why it should be added. What mechanics it would have, how would it be different from in-game dinos like Theri, etc.
lethal salmon
because it would be a game changer the first onimvore
it would have a swipe attack since its beak/duckbill mouth would be for eating
it wouldnt be able to swim
lethal salmon
yes something like that but it would be able to eat other dinos
well actually
nvm yes a heron that would be able to eat greens too
but if it had to it could be able to fight something for survival because it would be bigger than a sucho it would use its size to try to scare it if not use its deadly giant arms to swipe it away with its claws
torn thistle
Albeit a bit old
https://i.imgur.com/RsRlPfx.png
lethal salmon
it wouldnt be able to eat anything big because it had a duck bill and it would just swallow fish whole most likely
so it could kill if forced to but wouldnt be able to eat it
so it would either have to sit by a lake challenging the lake for suchos and spinos
oak shale
Noice
lethal salmon
otherwise on land feeding off of greens
so if you look at this way it would still have a tough time to live as a omnivore because it would have to deal with semi aquatics or the land dinos say as trikes pushing it off of the greens
or theris
jovial moss
I'd love deinocheirus added
lethal salmon
so if you think it would somewhat balanced in a sort of sense as a survival/non survival
jovial moss
more semi aquatics that aren't just carnivores
tbh they could implement it as an herbivore until fish are added and figured out
lethal salmon
nvm yes a heron that would be able to eat greens too
but if it had to it could be able to fight something for survival because it would be bigger than a sucho it would use its size to try to scare it if not use its deadly giant arms to swipe it away with its claws, it wouldnt be able to eat anything big because it had a duck bill and it would just swallow fish whole most likely
so it could kill if forced to but wouldnt be able to eat it
so it would either have to sit by a lake challenging the lake for suchos and spinos, otherwise on land feeding off of greens
so if you look at this way it would still have a tough time to live as a omnivore because it would have to deal with semi aquatics or the land dinos say as trikes pushing it off of the greens
or theris, so if you think it would somewhat balanced in a sort of sense as a survival/non survival @oak shale
jovial moss
They could probably add water plants, like seaweeds and lilypads to encourage competition with lake/river carnivores
It'd be nice to go near a water source as an herb and not have to always see spinos/suchos/deinos
Shant could also work as a semi-aquatic herb
lethal salmon
ok no
because then it wouldnt be fair because it would be sticking around lakes 24/7
but its a omnivore so no matter what it can sit by a lake and hunt fish otherwise be a land green eating dino
jovial moss
What's wrong with an herb sticking around water? theres like 3 carnivores that do it
it's not fully aquatic like deino, it can move around on the ground and eat bushes, cuz why not
but it can be a good swimmer too
and it'd distinguish it from theri, a close relative
lethal salmon
theres no problem about it just trying to balance it out so you dont see flocks of deinocheirus around lakes everywhere
they need to be spread out
jovial moss
maybe they wouldn't be restricted to one type of water source? that way they don't hog every lake or every river, and they can spread out
but they can also migrate alright, they're just more comfortable near water
lethal salmon
you do have a point
there would have to be some certain lakes that have fish
or rivers
actually no fish would have to be everywhere otherwise it would be a huge semi aquatic war for lakes
lethal salmon
shant throws its body at a rex falls off cliff
grave karma
well, the current shant is 2x heavier than rex
lethal salmon
the shant throwing its body at something is like bowling
you could hit possible 3 rexes with one body bash
and it would possible hurt itself
i wouldnt recommend it at all because it could get itself killed doing it
mellow maple
Deinocherius would actually be cool af
literally hypo galli
There are probably better refs for Deinocherius thooo
grave karma
deino in instead of theri
grave karma
deino would just be a bulkier theri probably
lethal salmon
no
the deino would and could be bigger but it doesnt have big big nails like theri it does have nails though
lethal salmon
deino cheirus*
grave karma
i can imagine deinocheirus just holding sucho in a headlock and just pummeling it
jovial moss
lmao
grave karma
also id like to imagine it similar to a moose
coarse shell
@umbral tartan i saw that
umbral tartan
Shh
grave karma
id personally love a semi-aquatic deinocheirus
jovial moss
It'd be a really neat dinosaur to add to the game I feel 😃
barren zephyr
That thing is nasty we don’t need a humpback bush duck we already have sucho
paper oriole
no sucho is pelican, deinocheirus is duck
barren zephyr
🦆
grave karma
spino is deformed pelican
sucho is duck with big neck
deinocheirus is just a ripped duck-camel
jovial moss
deinocheirus is chad duck
jovial moss
@vague echo don't discuss it in the suggestions channel, discuss it here
vague echo
Oh
grave karma
delet it before mod
vague echo
Ok I’m safe thank god
clear swan
@lethal salmon quick question before i vote on ur latest suggestion. How big is the Deinocherius in comparison to rex?
grave karma
jovial moss
I believe it's taller, but it's also quite horizontally skinny as well
mellow maple
I'd thought I'd join on the Deinocheirus hype
grave karma
any sharks ingame not related to giga are to be deleted and thrown in the trash
paper oriole
hypo giga should breathe sharks at its enemies
indigo sun
yes
violet magnet
giiiii-gaaaa SHARK doo doo doodoo doodoo
lament kayak
Its such a cursed meme holy shit
radiant fulcrum
how do you guys feel regarding the sucho buff idea
barren zephyr
No humpback bush duck
mellow maple
I like
mellow maple
Size increase for suhco would be nice too
abstract shuttle
Aquatic herbies would be kinda cool
blazing charm
@azure arch That sounds nearly indentical to the system they have in Beasts of Bermuda, and I can tell you from first-hand experience that it is a god-awful idea. And being able to quickly shrug off the weight mass and speed debuff makes it even more exploitable.
blazing charm
I wish I could say the same.
blazing charm
But yeah, it's a bad system because you just have people who overeat with say, a Tyrannosaur and just destroy anything slightly smaller than it.
The vomit thing makes it worse.
In a situation where you should be caught because of being overweight, you can just ditch all that weight and book it.
azure arch
I wonder why tyrannosaurus is still able to eat after being full though
blazing charm
Pardon?
outer nebula
not to mention with the current system you cant over eat once you reached 100% it stops eating
azure arch
Huh
barren zephyr
@lethal salmon
Stop using prehistoric wildlife
You are literally bringing massive misinformation by using it here
That is EVEN worse
atleast Prehistoric Wildlife brings a hump on it
and that is even more oversized
lethal salmon
this doesnt show grid size but the comparison on a human
it still stood 5 meters tall
grave karma
each grid is 1 meter
lethal salmon
yea i dont get t
still temple
duck satan
lethal salmon
i dont get why that specific one shows it at ike 3.4 meters
i guess because it isnt standing up straight
like the picture below
lethal salmon
the deino is def not 3 meters
lethal salmon
yea but this isnt a apex so theres so by the looks in that comparison the deino juvie would be 3 meters
which i would nerf in game only because i dont trust that size comparison
grave karma
also make deinocheirus spawn pelagornis ai to defend itself when it 4 calls
and when hit by it you get swarmed by pelagornis
lethal salmon
well you have deinosuchus there
and spinos
and suchos
by the time if it does come out
jovial moss
Did someone @ me then delete it
pseudo falcon
@deft musk I agree, but the devs have gone on record saying that it wouldn't be balanced... I still don't see how.
weakest dinosaur in the game
I just don't know why nesting in burrows would be op for a dryo...
Maybe I could agree in the context of a dinosaur that had some sort of relevance to the ecosystem in the game
but Dryo? Really?
umbral tartan
How dare you call dryo the weakest in the game!
normal fern
@pseudo falcon maybe because dryo already requires absolutely no common sense to survive as? Maybe because the devs actually want to make dryo somewhat challenging?
pseudo falcon
@normal fern I mean if they wanted that they probably wouldn't have added burrows to begin with.
They'd have to leave the burrow for food
pseudo falcon
Including the babies / juvies given there's still no way to carry food for herbies
blazing charm
@lofty salmon The amount of work that would need to go into properly balancing Shant is honestly not worth it.
lofty salmon
Okay ;-;
blazing charm
Well, actually that's a bit unfair of me to say, i'lll just expand on what I meant before I log off for the night.
Shant is a stupidly large animal, it's basically a Hadrosaur that tried to be a sauropod, it's this super difficult balancing act of trying to make it strong enough to match its size, without making it too fast to chase things down, WHILE still being able to flee from danger. See where the trouble starts?
The role of massive defensive Herbivore feels much more at home with something like Triceratops or Stegosaurus, hadrosaurs aren't built to be fighters. Cept maybe Iguanodon
grave karma
so it can kind of be interpreted as a moose (shant) and deer (other hadrosaurs)(?)
barren zephyr
@normal fern dryo is a living meme
grave karma
im talking more about a massive deer
barren zephyr
its not supposed to be taken seriously
blazing charm
I get that, but people honestly see Shant as more of an elephant because of the sheer size, speed and raw power back from Progression.
It's such a mess to try and balance that it's better off as AI or just not existing at all.
But that's just my opinion.
jovial moss
I think Shant could be balanced, but it'd need more game mechanics, because at this point everything big is lowkey kind of ridiculous without anything to hinder or help them in match ups
mellow maple
There's a misconception with hadrosaurs being the group of animals who flee from Tyrannosaurs. Shant puts that idea down because it was supposed to be a massive meat cow. Being by far the largest Ornithischian, how is not built to be a fighter? Hadrosaurs literally mean bulky lizards, and Shant demonstrates that very well. However, I do agree it's way too fast for its own good rn.
Also King, Iguanodon isn't a hadrosaur, that's just an ornithopod. It's not within the hadrosaur family kek
grave karma
i think jaffad meant shant being the odd one out that was the fighter of the mostly fleeing group
mellow maple
At least, not a hadrosaurid specifically.
grave karma
but idk what he was thinking so
valid elk
So...anyone wanna discuss the spear idea?
barren zephyr
no, mercs forever
valid elk
I don't think I asked which side you liked more
mellow maple
Shantungosaurus would work for survival imo. It takes forever to grow rn but for a good reason. Adults should be tasked with protecting their fresh-spawns and the predators should be targeting them. Not the fresh healthy adults.
Hadrosaurs aren't meant to be just fodder to any carni, if that were the case, why are they so widespread throughout the globe. Being fodder doesn't sound like a successful group of animals.
valid elk
You know in Assassins Creed, when you hunt sharks and whales
When you harpoon them, they start to swim away, with you attached, sending you forward
grave karma
how could it even be used effectively
valid elk
Well, since you can't tame aquatics, hunting them like that would frighten AI animals, maybe even players. You could slam weapons into them to guide then along.
pseudo falcon
I think there's way too much concern with balance and not enough about interesting gameplay
mellow maple
^
pseudo falcon
I'll just put my hopes in affinity, as the missing piece of the puzzle
pseudo falcon
Fair enough
azure arch
TBH
Dinos are too loud when walking in the isle
It's like the ground beneath them is hollow
There shouldn't be so much vibration when a dino around cera sized walks
valid elk
A Tyrannosaurus rex weighs somewhere between 7 to 9 tons
They had pads on their feet to feel vibrations
Pretty sure you'd hear the stomping
granite vigil
You don't hear elephants and shit stomping around unless they're running
They have pads on their feet to soften their steps so prey wouldn't hear them from 100s of feet away
valid elk
True.
grave karma
thought you were talking about elephants being predators but then i realized
lethal salmon
I guess make the deinocheirus a carnivore that mainly feeds off fish
It usually fought tarbosaurus’s so it definitely was a big boy
Possibly a bone break if there’s a bore animation since it has no teeth only a beak bite
If there’s a bite animation*
And the fact that it 25 kmh slow in these stats
But I’d say I’m the isle buff the speed put to about 34 kmh atleast
Actually nvm about the bone break
A bone break and claw attack sounds too unbalanced but still put the speed to about 34 kmh
viral creek
But the real issue is
Do you really want another fisher?
Or do you want something different, a semiaquatic herbivore
umbral prairie
I think deinocheirus would be cool as an omnivore, eating plants near water and fish, would just be something new.
I also think the 'too easy to live as an omnivore' thing is not really the case with deinocheirus
if it only eats fish, not other meat
lament kayak
how about it can only eat 25% worth of fish
paper oriole
Negative/positive affinity based on diet could easily make omnivores viable i think
paper oriole
Theri should be able to spear velos and juvies on their claws and eat them like a kebab
lament kayak
That sounds fun
hoary crater
Did you ever get 25kg poop in your face? 
mental sleet
I only recall the Coala being one.
Deer and such will eat chicks that fall from nests
In order to acquire calcium from their bones
since calcium doesn't come around often in vegetation
wispy falcon
i think it's fine for a video game's sake though that they can only eat plants since eating small creatures isn't always necessary.
especially since the isle's not meant to be 100% accurate
mental sleet
That's true.
glass furnace
Yeah @keen trail but cerato is faster when no ambush
keen trail
Not when allo also has ambush
lethal salmon
I would say it would say because it’s a omnivore they eat the grass near swamps and if they run out of grass they turn to the fish then a near area or they eat the fish to atleast 50 percent that it’ll get them somewhere if they have to move
That’s way too unbalanced I get that it’s a omnivore but it doesn’t heavily have to be sided on herbs
It’s beak was made to swallow fish whole and eat herbs
And In every picture you’d see it was more likely to be in a river fishing for fish not eating herbs
It just doesn’t seem like a herb eating Dino to mean although it can but if it was heavily based on eating herbs it would be way to easy to grow I’d say flip it around and it would only eat herbs to 10 percent food or what ever
To me*
Because then it would have to fish against suchos deinos and spinos for survival instead of just land bathing for herbs
Not saying it’s another semi aquatic fishing animal although historically it most likely is
Dino
valid elk
Just to remind you guys, Spinosaurus, Baryonyx, Suchomimus, and Austroraptor are all fishing Dinosaurs
We have a ton of fishing animals compared to other games
And we are going to get a Deinosuchus, which ate fish as well
keen trail
Is there a way to walk over tunnels with a lower chance of falling in?
lethal salmon
yes as well you do have a point there
but deino is a sandbox so its ai most likely wont eat the fish
or said to be a sandbox
indigo sun
Deino isnt going to be sandbox or ai
Dunno where you heard that
Its literally called "our first playable aquatic" in the animation preview announcement
lethal salmon
yes that can mean both things sandbox either survival
but i get what you mean
and a lot of people say sandbox dino
my personal opinion i dont think it will be a sandbox
indigo sun
And i dont see why it would just get thrown in sandbox when the time taken to rework water before its added could give them time to give it a full life cycle if it hasnt got one already.
indigo sun
Cama and pue were never guaranteed to be playable
lethal salmon
just because they put time into something
indigo sun
And pue's going anyway
lethal salmon
does not mean it will automatically be survival
grave karma
lethal salmon
im not trying to argue with you just making a point
grave karma
why would they throw a brand new playable into the sandbox bin
lethal salmon
i dont know
grave karma
or ai
lethal salmon
why would they
grave karma
exactly
indigo sun
Theres no reason for it whatsoever
grave karma
i dont either
lethal salmon
you just come in
grave karma
thats my point
grave karma
wow comedy gold this dude the big ffunny
indigo sun
Sounds like people making dumbass speculations with no thought put in
lethal salmon
😆
indigo sun
The usual
grave karma
guys.......................................... brachi is going to be sandbox only and not ai.....................................
grave karma
deino is getting flying before ptera because it already has flying animation