a quadruped land predator would be nice
#general-feedback-discussion
paper oriole
stuck chasm
They are so awesome but im worried maybe too op if similar to irl
paper oriole
eh some dinos have their sized shifted to fit gameplay
stuck chasm
No no not size its just they kinda do everything man they dig they stand up and slash they chomp cx
paper oriole
they could be balanced by uh... having shit bleed resist or something that justifies their fighting capability
viral creek
I am fully supportive of having him in the game if the developers can figure out a way to make him viable against the rest of the roster.
stuck chasm
this would be more inostrancevia (a lot of people dont differentiate between the two actually lol this one is tagged with both)
I think personally they are more bulky
viral creek
He is
stuck chasm
Yeah size wise he would be super small
viral creek
In fact, I'd prefer they upsize him if they ever add him
paper oriole
he could be size buffed like diablo to be a bit above utah, like a tanky utah quad
stuck chasm
Yeah!
paper oriole
that would make him unique, a small tier bully tank
sort of like what cerato is supposed to be for the mid tiers
except isnt cus poor cerato has paper skin
stuck chasm
Well when i started playing I noticed its really hard to play alone, i was hoping this would kinda fill that hole. Kinda a balanced boi (like stats yknow) but burrow and being able to stand up to slash
jolly willow
gorgonospid playable???
paper oriole
most carnis are pretty solo playable right now, tho a quad would be a great break from all the theropods we have
jolly willow
Inostrancevia could be.. interesting
stuck chasm
Ah its probs me just being a noob then lol but yes I think it would be super fun
viral creek
Inostra is one of my favorite prehistoric creatures, so I am a little biased
stuck chasm
They are one of my fav too! Most people dont know of them and the rest of the mock mammals
paper oriole
just buff his size like diablo to be 1,000kg, its a pretty big size increase but w/e
utah weight, better bleed and heal
stuck chasm
I really wanted smilodons, so I thought this would be next best thing lol
Oh they are 1.2k pounds I think anyway
I had to research a lot
viral creek
I don't think any actual mammals are planned, nor do i want actual mammals.
unless it's livyatan for aquatics
because livyatan is a chad
stuck chasm
they are like 18 feet tall tho (the diablos) so maybe just double their height then cus they usually 5 feet on fours 8 on back llegs
paper oriole
only mammals id really like seeing are little rodents that would be fun to chase down lol
not any large mammals
viral creek
and murder whale
stuck chasm
Yeah it was mentioned that mammals wouldnt play well with the dinos even if somehow humans brought them
paper oriole
at least alongside dinos, maybe on a mod map
viral creek
The only mammal i want is livyatan, and if we get him i will cry happy tears
stuck chasm
Postosuchus and the lycaenops are very awesome too but i figured too similar to the utahs
posto is one of my favs as well lol I found them on the jurassic alive app
paper oriole
i want Cotylorhynchus now after seeing him in related search but i think the only purpose he'd serve is killing other dinos with his cursed appearance so i can count on him never showing up in the isle lmao
stuck chasm
oh i got a worse one
he looks like a giant turkey
one sec
Suzhousaurus
I was trying to find a herbi since im bias to carnis but I couldnt find any that dont already have a purpose
paper oriole
looks like somebody photoshopped a vulture head onto a theri lol
viral creek
I'd rather have saurosuchus than postosuchus
paper oriole
an unfortunate animal
stuck chasm
XD
Oh actually tho the fasolasuchus i was tempted to do as well
theyare really cool
they remind me of a mix between a giga a croc and a gorgon
paper oriole
theyd be an upper midtier quad i think while Inos would fit in lower midtier or in line with dilo/utah
pseudo falcon
@thorny lynx really man... the 
and 
reactions? Was their creativity really worthy of that?
It's as stated a barren idea... it's conceptually pretty neat.
thorny lynx
Because that's not what infrasound is for. You don't use it to locate... You use it to communicate.
I would rather have Para be able to make a loud ass call that stuns predators when they're up close
Just enough so they can run away and get a head start
pseudo falcon
Sure, but instead of just outright saying the suggestion maks you sick, why not express your opinion, and make constructive conversation.
thorny lynx
Out of everyone else who used the gross emoji, why am I the only one who gets flack for it?
pseudo falcon
When something is stated as barren, it's inviting people like you to build on their idea.
Because I decided to look at the suggestions today.
If I could get away with pinging that many people, maybe I would. It just so happens you reacted to the most recent suggestion.
@uncut epoch unfortunately it's already been stated that it won't be happening. It's considered a balancing issue, and so they decided nesting in burrows should never be allowed.
Personally I disagree, and believe that giving dryo such an advantage would be helpful and add to the enjoyment/immersion.
Devs unfortunately do not.
uncut epoch
dang
viral creek
I don't really care much about the reactions, I'm just desperatly trying to think of actually useful gimmick ideas for para to seperate him from maia lol
Para is a really cool creature, and I'd hate for him to be neglected. But thinking of any special abilties for him is tricky.
I can think of several other gimmicks for para that would make more sense for what he really was irl, but they're pretty useless.
pseudo falcon
@viral creek a concept I thought of for Para was that it could be a versatile eater. With all the upcoming custom foliage the devs are making, and talk of possible new edibles for herbivores, it would be interesting to give Para the ability to eat whatever it pleases. Assuming there are limitations to begin with. If for example there are edible bristly bushes that some herbivores are unable to eat, maybe para would be resilient enough to munch on it anyway. Also, building on a similar idea to your own, possibly reducing the concept of audio locating to other Paras. It's already a feature in game that you can hear and see your own species at a further distance than others, so simply amplifying the audio range, and possibly even adding a bonus visual indicator could be a nice way to help Paras meet up.
viral creek
Maybe 
umbral prairie
@tidal prism if you hold Q to use scent, a compass shows up at the top of your screen
tidal prism
I know. But would be nice to have it without scent. And scent doesnt work in the rain
Currently im using an extern map for orientation cuz the scent/compass combination is just weird and not very efficient (imo)
umbral prairie
it is a bit weird yeah
especially for herbis since they need to stop moving to use scent
maybe it would be cool to be able to use the compass with tapping Q or a different button
and being able to do that in rain aswell
brittle ivy
@icy tangle Admins can freely enter a server they are authorized for even if it has reached max capacity
We can ‘skip the line’, so to speak
icy tangle
@brittle ivy Oh okay nvm then ill delete this message
brittle ivy
You’re ok ^^
mental sleet
@blazing charm could u get me a link to your suggestion docs ?
mental sleet
thanks
still temple
Taco doc wen
blazing charm
Never.
still temple
bold relic
Sleeping would just make afk growing even more a thing i'd suggest reduced growth speed when sleeping
vestal rune
I say don't add sleeping in at all as some optional mechanic with a use
it could be good as something to add when you're afk for too long, you start making snoring sounds which would alert people to you
paper oriole
I had a suggestion before that made sleep automatic after sitting idle for 5-10min and reduced growth by 75% and snore
full cedar
They could make a slight stamina debuff after you first wake up. Like you need to move around to get it back.
blazing charm
@floral plover What is there to really see about Brachi? Apart from being implemented as AI it's basically finished as far as I know.
floral plover
I mean some ppl wanna see a sauropod in works and is it confirmed as AI only?
indigo sun
It's confirmed as ai only
floral plover
Well I edited my suggestion
blazing charm
Well, there were talks about a playable Camarasaurus in Survival, but that has been kept quiet as they were just experimenting with the idea.
floral plover
The last time I saw Brachio, it's run is kinda fast so it should be playable imo, and so is Cama, their both suppose to be playable, the juvie stages shouldn't take long, but sub stages should take hours
blazing charm
Well, there's a bit more to it than just that. You have consider factors such as Strains and Humans.
indigo sun
Gotta think about balance
floral plover
I mean ur gonna expect to die either way, some servers will have humans and strains disabled
blazing charm
Something as large as a Brachiosaurus isn't going to be able to hide, and it's not going to be fast enough to get away from a monster or avoid getting a bullet put through your lung.
oak shale
what would brach have as a gimmick or gimmicks/abilities?
floral plover
Well as something that big ur gonna wanna expect to die, some servers have rules actually almost every server have rules and stuff, some servers might disable strains and humans, like realism ones
valid zephyr
brachi is way to powerful imo to be playable. even a full size pack of apexes probs can't kill it
floral plover
Just because it's too powerful is no reason to not let anyone play it, plus u can make it killable, there is bleed, u can bleed it out, there is giga, and then there is Rex
U can always make it killable, just like Cama is killable, Brachios should be as well
blazing charm
Also, how would you handle the various basic attacks for it? Since it'd probably going to turn like a truck it'd probably need to be able to kick with the front and back legs, stomp and bat/swipe at attackers with the tail.
floral plover
There are many key binds that are not used
blazing charm
Alot of effort for something that is probably just going to get roflstomped by a Hyperendocrine.
manic ibex
and played by 2 persons
blazing charm
Let's see, what else.
floral plover
Well, it's something that many ppl wanna play as, just because humans and strains can easily kill it, doesn't mean it can't kill them back.
There are many key binds that u can use for it's attacks, u can give the Cama's turn radius as well
blazing charm
Humans can kill them at a distance
Strains would probably be able to out-maneuver a Brachi
floral plover
Tox, what r u trying to say exactly?
Strains and humans can be disabled
Servers with rules
random knoll
What rules are stopping something from shooting a brachi
blazing charm
I am referring strictly to the official game and it's intended balance, unofficial rules can disable and restrict whatever they like.
barren zephyr
playing as a brachy wouldn't be fun
blazing charm
Honestly, if this suggestion is so heavily reliant on unofficial servers, why not just have it be a mod?
barren zephyr
Brachy if it was added as a playable would probably take like
15 hours to grow
and you wouldn't be able to defend yourself until you were fully grown
I love brachy, don't get me wrong
floral plover
Not everyone plays on official servers. Kroak, some ppl enjoy playing sauropods, if u don't that is ur own opinion.
barren zephyr
I'm aware of that, I don't even play on officials
barren zephyr
Cama is different than brachy tho
floral plover
Because Jaffad, why r u relaying on mods to make something that is in game better?
random knoll
First brachi just wouldn’t be fun and it would be hard to balance
floral plover
No not really
blazing charm
Because I genuinely believe a playable Brachiosaurus is a bad idea?
floral plover
What would be hard to balance it for?
random knoll
You would have to make it at least 10 to grow
Well I guess not hard to balance in the sense it’s not going to be running shit down
floral plover
Jaffad, that's ur opinion, I have my opinion, everyone has their opinion, just because u don't think it's a great idea doesn't mean it shouldn't be a thing.
manic ibex
doesn't mean it should either
blazing charm
I never said that, I am merely voicing my opinion and concerns with the idea.
I am discussing your suggestion, as per the title of the channel.
floral plover
Never said u did, just saying my opinion
blazing charm
...Your opinion on my opinion?
blazing charm
Also, if you give the Brachiosaurus a ridiculously long life-cycle, chances are predators are going to try and snuff it out before it reaches its full size. And the Brachi can't really hide because of how massive it is, atleast up to a certain point.
manic ibex
Good, you have an opinion. So what? Brachi is still going to be AI. You should at least work on your suggestion.
floral plover
It was a suggestion, devs read suggestions and care what their community thinks, at least from what Ik of and I hope is true, making something u worked hard on modeling, animating, and then just have it to be an AI makes 0 sense, and just annoying, cause it's something u wanna enjoy, it's a survival game mode, ur gonna expect to die either way, Juvie cycle can be up to 1 or 2 hours, then sub adult cycle can go to 4-6 hours
And it is not ur place to make a decision on it Tox.
random knoll
Hw strong and fats would sub adult be?
blazing charm
He's not the one making the decision, it's currently slated to be AI, while that can always change it currently hasn't budged.
random knoll
How strong and fast would the juvis be
random knoll
And the others?
floral plover
Exactly Jaffad, that's why I suggested it, for it to be changed.
blazing charm
And not every single creature is going to be playable, by then the roster would be incredibly bloated, full of creatures that are entirely redundant or clones of each other.
floral plover
Sub adult can be as fast as sub adult trike or the same speed as a juvie para.
random knoll
And how strong
blazing charm
AI is a way to help the game world feel more alive, taking a creature that wouldn't make for the best playable and incorporating into something that helps flesh out the world.
floral plover
Depends on how much weight they wanna put it on.
random knoll
Weight ain’t going to be apart of damage anymore right?
blazing charm
Unless i'm mistaken, weight isn't going to be a major factor in combat, mostly for how much food a corpse can provide.
floral plover
Wdym Hexa?
manic ibex
Devs read and take seriously suggestions with reasoning and arguments for it with mechanics, etc...Guess what? it is not your decision either (thank god). And people will enjoy Brachi. as a dangerous prey for apexes group. it's called PvE. If you want to be taken seriously, make an elaborated suggestion, not just "This dino should be added because I like it pls dev 😢 "
random knoll
So how much damage is it going to do to let’s say an adult rex?
floral plover
Tail whip 3 shot, Stomp 1 shots (A slow animation) and kick a 2 shot
blazing charm
That is, incredibly vague.
floral plover
Then what would u say it should have?
U want it to be as strong as cama or a lil stronger?
That's kind of a good idea but, I wanna know how strong would u wanna make it? Hexa and Jaffad.
random knoll
How much damage would an adult rex be able to do?
floral plover
@manic ibex Read my suggestion again.
random knoll
Seeing as how big it is death
floral plover
Wasting hours and hours on something and money on it just to have it be an AI? that's a waste time, yes it will make the world more alive but still.
There are many ways u can balance it out
random knoll
Then why make any ai?
blazing charm
Well, we have to take ALOT into consideration. The new bone break/bleed system which we know *nothing about yet, locational damage, Affinity.
random knoll
Ava’s ai why shouldn’t it be playable?
floral plover
Hexa, I mean something as big as Brachio is.
blazing charm
It's not just going to be a case of running through a Brachi, left clicking and insta-breaking its leg.
manic ibex
@floral plover I suggest you to read other serious suggestions, like the ones Kingjaffad made. Then you will see how weak your suggestion is.
floral plover
Exactly Jaffad I can't really say how it will work, no one can either cause we don't know how it's gonna work in the future.
@manic ibex What r u suggesting I should add to my suggestion? what details exactly, cause combat wise I can't say anything about that, in the next update idk how it will work
blazing charm
If that's the case, then how can you decide on how strong it would be?
manic ibex
Well, if @blazing charm could drop his google doc suggestions here as examples it would be great
floral plover
Assuming wise, it one shots everything it attacks something that large hitting u.
blazing charm
For all we know, it could be very well impossible to inflict any kind of bone break damage to something so large, so Rex might not even be able to fight it.
random knoll
You have to make it fun tho
floral plover
But to balance it out, ur gonna wanna make it a lil weaker
random knoll
Fun but balanced
floral plover
Take bites of it's meat? and get food
blazing charm
That's flesh-grazing you're thinking of.
blazing charm
That's what Giganotosaurus is supposed to do, Rex isn't designed to do that.
Giga's teeth are basically knives made for slicing, Rex's jaws were built for crushing.
floral plover
Then there u go, another fun thing to do for giga, and brachios to fear something
blazing charm
Okay, but what if you could just have them be AI, still have that activity for the Giganotosaurus players, and the AI would still be an engaging opponent?
floral plover
Okay that's a good idea, but why don't u want players that enjoy being slow and almost nothing to fear? there are many ways to make Brachios playable and fun
I can't say how until Ik how the next update will work
blazing charm
But they WOULD have something to fear.
floral plover
They would have to fear Humans/Strains/Natural disasters/Giga and many other things
blazing charm
And they can't run away from any of those, and only defend themselves against ONE.
floral plover
And there are quests to do, there can be quests for sauropods, something fun for themt o do
indigo sun
Quests?
floral plover
Well it's a survival game, ur gonna expect to die to natural disasters either way, u can also avoid them in a certain way
Idk but something that works like quests
Dk what it's called
Dino needs or something like that
blazing charm
Another thing i'd like to bring up, if it's a human being controlling the dinosaur, chances are they are either going to do everything in their power to keep it alive or do everything in their power to ruin it for the other person.
Bit of a speculative scenario here, let's imagine that Brachiosaurus is playable, a group of Giganotosaurus players are trying to hunt them but can't because the Brachio's either call in for their friends who are playing another animal or will stop you from claiming your reward.
Something so giant is going to either be used to grief, or get griefed themselves.
indigo sun
Affinity? Cause i think anything really "quest-like" is for obtaining strains
blazing charm
What kind of Affinity related needs/quests would a Brachiosaurus have? Walk to X place and eat tree. Sounds like fun to me.
Brachiosaurus wouldn't even have an engaging diet, it would just eat from trees and since there isn't any other herbivore that matches it's own size, there would be no competition.
Oh yeah, another thing that just popped into my mind. How would Sauropods handle water? Since the new map is seperated into 2 large islands, would a Brachi player just be stranded on whatever island they spawned on because they're either going to be heavy to swim across or so big of a target to anything lurking in the water?
floral plover
U do have a point, but it still can swim over to the other island, it also can eat certain trees which give it a buff to something etc..
blazing charm
"but it still can swim over to the other island"
Did you just, blank out the entire part where I said it probably couldn't swim across to another island.
indigo sun
Pretty far it seems
floral plover
Oh..
viral creek
I'm pretty sure one of the developers stated you will be able to swim to another island
floral plover
Does each island have it's own unique good thing?
viral creek
But it will be risky
floral plover
Like will u be forced to move?
oak shale
We still talking about this brach suggestion ey?
viral creek
Let me find it
indigo sun
We dont know much about the map
floral plover
No I mean like do u get anything for crossing to the other island, r u forced to cross over?
indigo sun
Could be different stuff to encourage movement but it'd suck if you want to meet with your friend but spawned on the wrong island and you cant
We dont know
oak shale
@floral plover If I were you I would have tired to have gone a little bit more in p depth
With your suggestion
Examples think about its stats, how it matches up to other dinosaurs currently in survival etc
Just wanting it because ai is alittle weak
Imo
viral creek
A little bit of context, this was after somebody asked if you'll be able to cross between islands on hope
So it's not confirmed that you won't be able to cross
floral plover
@oak shale I would but idk how it will work in the future, that's when I will make another suggestion following this one
floral plover
The thing is will the island have their own thing, quests, herbs, plants, etc...
oak shale
itll show what I mean by in depth
floral plover
I will in a min, can't rn
pseudo falcon
In all of these hypothetical scenarios, there's little to no consideration for growth. Brachi will not only take ages to grow, but have a very different playstyle throughout varying stages of it's life. It would likely struggle heavily with competition for bushes and other vegetation within reach as a juvenile, and progressively earn it's way to being uncontested, and only by other species. It seems overlooked that other brachis would probably compete for food. I can totally see them being quite aggressive towards each other in that regard, as they would need so much to sustain.
Combat amongst the same species for food, and consequently locking certain lakes and ponds to maybe just 2 Brachis at max sustainably. Seeing as it'd be likely that a brachi could wipe out entire forests in groups of 2-3, they'd have to migrate regularly to sustain large groups, or choose a more solitary existence.
Playing as a brachi would probably feel like about the same as how people currently imagine a legendary sized deino would play.
bold relic
like if you play pue you starve.
pseudo falcon
but that's because you currently can't eat trees at all...
bold relic
would be kinda weird to see trees just disappear lol they had to do it similar to bushes
pseudo falcon
I think the engaging aspects of Brachi gameplay would be that you worked so hard to become this massive target, that will likely struggle to defend itself alone, yet have a playstyle incentivizing solo play. All things considered, I'd even go as far as to say, if Brachi was added to survival, there'd be rules against mix packing similar to how they work with Trike right now. @blazing charm
blazing charm
" will likely struggle to defend itself alone, yet have a playstyle incentivizing solo play"
what
pseudo falcon
against gigas
why not
hit and run
attacks would likely take a tone of stamina
and I honestly doubt if balanced with the current game could even 1 shot
except for stomp of course
blazing charm
Also, acreature should not have to reply on server rules, unless you're referring to some kind of negative affect on your affinity.
Which even then, is flawed because your so massive and slow, you can't wander off into secluded parts of the map.
pseudo falcon
well, who's to say you wouldn't have the time do wander to those places? You have food almost everywhere you go, the only dinos in the game you'd have to worry about wouldn't mess with you alone
not to mention you'd effectively be able to migrate in herds
the only fear than would likely be whether you can make it to the next watering hole in time
and about the whole affinity thing
blazing charm
No I mean, how are you going to get through trees
pseudo falcon
I doubt affinity will obsolete rules
blazing charm
You're pretty much going to be limited to open spaces.
pseudo falcon
well, I doubt even as AI that's going to be struggle
something that massive, could like an elephant, simply topple over trees
and yes, that's usually where the problem lies
brachi has a large amount of work required to make it playable and enjoyable
a destructible environment would almost be essential
though, I doubt a lot of people would spend the amount of time necessary to grow such a creature
so you'd probably expect maybe 1 or 2 per server, and those players would likely get bored eventually, as they do with dinos considered to be really fun, and end their lives
granite vigil
If people are dedicated enough they'll play what they want to
And they'll stick to it
pseudo falcon
I really don't see the huge issue with making sauropods like brachi playable, but I can agree the effort needed probably outweighs the benefits
I agree, I'd definetly dedicate whatever it takes to growing a brachi
granite vigil
Main issue is that most people rush to the strongest creature, even if it takes a long ass time to grow
pseudo falcon
as a juvie I can totally see the strategy being to find an ideal area on the map to grow up in, and than past that you're just tasked with surviving to adult.
granite vigil
Granted a lot of people would give up, but it's still an issue
pseudo falcon
well, imagine being the most useless piece of shit dino for the first 6 hours
if theoretically it took 18 hours to grow
which I think would be fair
the first 3rd of your journey you'd be entirely useless
blazing charm
That sounds so tedious.
granite vigil
Honestly what they could do is boost the growth for juvenile so you won't have to stay as it for so long
pseudo falcon
tasked with effectively being a fat, slow, and easily visible dryo
granite vigil
But once you reach sub, where you can actually defend yourself, your growth slows
pseudo falcon
it'd be a challenge. Tediousness is in the nature of this game
growing a rex post recode will likely be tedious
and a whole lot more challenging
granite vigil
But at least you can run as a juvi/sub
blazing charm
At the very least a juvenile Tyrannosaurus can run and hide.
A Juvi Brachiosaurus is basically a walking drumstick for whatever predator finds it first.
granite vigil
With a sauropod you can't do anything as a juvenile which isn't gonna be fun for long
pseudo falcon
oh come on now. Hope is twice the size of V3
and you're telling me you can't find a location where you can grow to a desirable size.
granite vigil
That's the thing
unborn quail
Seeing as carnivorous Ai is a definite plan, No.
granite vigil
You don't want to stay in one spot to grow
You want to have the option to travel
Which you can't really do with a juvenile sauropod
pseudo falcon
well, debatable. Ai is expected to spawn randomly around the map
and who knows at what rate
granite vigil
Unless you bump it's growth up to a suitable speed
Not anything ridiculous mind you, but not 6 hours of horrible gameplay
pseudo falcon
herbivores in general struggle at a juvenile state. On top of that, there's the existing issue where bushes can be seen through at a distance
hiding isn't so much of a factor as being in a spot nobody else is.
unborn quail
Everything struggles
barren zephyr
Map size shouldnt dictate the time needed in growing an animal. That and Map size and difficulty to grow said animal shouldn't be an excuse either to dictate what it can and can't do, on a side note to the convo.
granite vigil
But it's gonna be hard to hide as a big juvenile sauropod
pseudo falcon
well, the thing is, that's how most dinos are balanced currently
aside from maybe Maia
blazing charm
And it's not as if it'll have a gameplan if it gets caught. Where as most if not all other animals can run away, a Brachiosaurus Juvie isn't going to have that option.
pseudo falcon
most dinos are given growth times to compensate for their stats
barren zephyr
And that's why balance argueably sucks currently. Huge growth times are absolutely fucking awful to use as balance
Add humans to that
pseudo falcon
well, Maias are slow as hell as a juvie
granite vigil
But they can hide and they grow at a decent pace
pseudo falcon
I can't picture something twice the size of a juvenile maia moving any slower
it's just be as stated prior, harder, if not impossible to hide
barren zephyr
Keyword in your argument there Mynzelah, "currently". Pretty sure the combat system and the way things will be balanced are going to be different from the basic no brainer left click with the upcoming recode
pseudo falcon
although I can't argue about how good or bad the current balancing is, if that's how the game is destined to be post recode
I can only image brachi taking a hell of a long time to grow
true
however the only way I'm currently picturing brachi in the game, is effectively a slightly more advanced equivalent to our current version
with a few extra mechanics to kind of merge brachi in
as the game sits currently, I can definitely see a way. The only issue is the cost and consequently time needed to make brachi playable
seeing as it supposedly costs over 4k to create a single dinosaur, rig, model, textures, animations, coding and all
and that doesn't even include the extra time required to create a map that could work alongside a brachi, likely trees that can either bend to allow a brachi to pass through, or outright uproot.
my verdict on the topic is simply that Brachiosaurus won't be given the time and money necessary to create a challenging, but interesting playable choice.
granite vigil
If it doesn't make it in the base game people could just mod it in as well
pseudo falcon
true, but it would be sad for a sauropod enthusiast like myself 😦
🤞 for Camarasaurus!
oblique dust
I also like sauropods but I can see camara being left out of survival
there's not much going for it, mechanics-wise
oblique dust
it can eat from trees, it tramples and it devastates apexes when it aims the attacks just right but
other than that, I'm not sure what else it could get
pseudo falcon
but that's probably only because I've taken the time to think about what things they could do
granite vigil
It could clear forests that provide food for other dinosaurs
Like dryosaurs or some other small dinosaur follows them around and eats the shit they leave behind
pseudo falcon
the thing is, you described every herbivore in the game, shy of a few details.
what makes a sauropod that much less interesting than say, trike?
oblique dust
eh but I wouldn't exactly call that a very active mechanic
more like a passive thing, really
pseudo falcon
passive or not, it's a game changer
oblique dust
maybe giving it the ability to dig or press down on empty watering holes during droughts?
so that it can access trapped water reserves
granite vigil
You can honestly do a fair amount of things for a smaller sauropod like Camara
pseudo falcon
you're already going above and beyond what the game has to offer
oblique dust
and unlike trike and stego, I can see it herding with others
pseudo falcon
the only advanced game mechanics that exist right now is burrowing
oblique dust
since it moves and attacks so slowly
pseudo falcon
the thing is
would it really be that slow?
probably not.
it's legs are massive
oblique dust
that and the trample provides friendly fire, so other herd members of different species can't just sit beneath it or whatever
pseudo falcon
one step for a brachi would be like 200 for a dryo
the current puerta is unrealistically slow in my opinion
oblique dust
I'd say its current speed is fine right now, what I'm referring to with speed is the issue revolving around KOSing apex herbivores who hunt down apex carnivores and the like.
camara can't really do that.
granite vigil
There's a speed chart showing Camara speed (I think) I'll try and find it but it wasn't that fast from what I remember
pseudo falcon
apexes will more than definetly struggle to survive in a world where AI spawns randomly
granite vigil
Definitely faster then usually depicted though
pseudo falcon
in the recent future it's expected for AI to work and spawn entirely differently
with less apexes roaming around
there's free reign to herbivores and the like
though that being said
we've still yet to learn what Dondi was refering to when he said "herbivores aren't a problem anymore"
oblique dust
might have something to do with grazing
didn't he mention that when the grazing mechanic was teased with stego's full reveal?
pseudo falcon
a mechanic brachi / camara likely wouldn't have lel
pseudo falcon
no clue, just saw the screenshot of him saying it thrown around
can't remember when and why
oblique dust
hmm
oblique dust
I'm trying to remember what Dondi was referring to with herbs...
pseudo falcon
could've sworn there was something more recent
oblique dust
I think it was revolving around the KoSing issues with herbivores, along with them being too easy to grow, since their food sources were so easy to find?
hm that post though
seems kinda worrying
oblique dust
hmm
granite vigil
5/13/2019
@ everyone
It's been quite a bit since our last animation preview so we've put something together for all of you. The keen eyed have already spotted an animation that will be new to all herbivores. Look for more context on that and more in the upcoming weeks.
Here's a glimpse at our newest edition to survival: Stegosaurus.
valid zephyr
lol like carnis are not easy to grow
pseudo falcon
either way, I stand on my not so humble opinion, that brachiosaurus is not as complicated as everyone makes it out to be, and would be easily implemented into survival.
oblique dust
they didn't used to be easy to grow
valid zephyr
and they don't KoS people even when they have food
really worried that the 'fix' will involve making them useless
pseudo falcon
careful, this is becoming #401464048610312195
latent yew
I find it hard to find the best video settings to run the isle and i was wondering if maybe like an auto setting was available where it would automatically configure the settings to optimize ur game? idk if it sounds dumb but i was just wondering cuz ive seen it in other games and its rlly helpful.
pseudo falcon
@latent yew wrong chat.
barren zephyr
@fathom harness
decent chance against giga?
It should have an almost amazing chance against it.
gigas not built for armoured risky prey like trike
fathom harness
Which it has like, 30% change against Giga currently, @barren zephyr But you get the point.
Because
- Giga has better bleed
- Giga has better bleed resistance
- Giga can get back stamina while standing
- Giga is faster than Trike
teal grotto
@fathom harness until you got avas watching the trikes
valid zephyr
I was thinking 50N Damage and 10 bleed for avas.
glad bear
@halcyon field rule 9 of the discord is literally
9. Please do not ask for ETA's (Estimated Time of Arrivals) content will be released when it's ready.
blazing charm
@winter kraken Strain Herbivores aren't a thing because the core of the concept doesn't make sense. Apart from the fact that we don't actually know what the ORIGIN of strains are, they could just be lab accidents, biological weapons or something else entirely.
But one thing is very clear about them, they are monsters. Their one purpose is kill, with the case of Hyperendocrines it's because their metabolism is so extreme that they need to eat constantly. A "Hyper Herb" would basically deforest a good chunk of the Island it's currently on. And as you said in your own suggestion, they aren't made to kill so why turn them into something that is CENTERED AROUND KILLING.
halcyon field
Edited @indigo sun
random knoll
the only strain hebri i could see would be mangna since i tihnk were natural ?
indigo sun
And also pelmeni, ai isnt finished. And will absolutely be acting smarter in the future. And larger ai is coming
blazing charm
Magna's aren't strains, supposedly.
halcyon field
Maybe in 4 years. We'll see
indigo sun
The recode should help that come faster than 4 years
random knoll
hmm
halcyon field
I have my doubts but we'll see. Recode is probably not coming before 2020
winter kraken
Thanks @blazing charm Never knew that until you said that, I was more like, what if some mad scientist decided to make a herbie a killing monster.
halcyon field
@blazing charm What if strain herbivores turn into carnivores? A meat eating Trike that kills half the server seems fun
blazing charm
If you just turn them into Carnivores, then it defeats the purpose of a strain herbivore.
halcyon field
If you have this logic then Carnivores would't eat carnivore meat
winter kraken
sorry for this dumb question
blazing charm
Majin you're fine.
winter kraken
but what is " strain " in this case?
halcyon field
Because wolves don't eat coyote meat and lions don't eat leopards or cheetah meat
winter kraken
oh right
halcyon field
Flesh between carnivores and herbivores is different. One is more nuturable than the other
blazing charm
So, they'd just be slightly different versions of the CURRENTLY planned strains then?
winter kraken
Understandable
I really liked the concept of those hypo herbies though, they look fascinating, yet scary at the same time.
Trike basically has the scariest weapons, add some hungry killing dna in it, and boom,
glad bear
if hyper herbies were added those concepts more than likely wouldn't be the ones added
winter kraken
but it wouldnt make sense now u since u explained it
halcyon field
Different versions of herbivores are awesome. Herbivores need more love
blazing charm
@winter kraken Anyway, the 3 Strains we currently know of are..
Hyperendocrine, massive size and armor growth.
Neurotenic, smooth and veiny, supposedly having telekenetic abilities
And then there's Tissoplastic but we haven't heard anything about that in like, 2-3 years. Supposed to be a "stealth" strain with camoflague and venom.
winter kraken
oh nice!
halcyon field
I especially like the Pachy one. Looks amazing @winter kraken
blazing charm
Why not give Herbivores a different end game? Like Elders?
last remnant
There probably should be different end games. I would agree with Kingjaffad. It would be cool if this endgame was done in different ways.
Make it completely different experience for herbivores.
Encourages more people to reach endgame on carnivore and herbivore.
valid zephyr
tbh i think different end games is a better idea
as long as herbis end game is more than turn into a gore pile.
halcyon field
Yeah. It should be rewarding to play the same dino over a long time and surviving many attacks.
blazing charm
That completely defeats the purpose of a Hyperendocrine, so it's a no from me chief. But that's just imo
next nexus
@stray cloak I get what you're going for, but that sounds really abusable
stray cloak
How so
next nexus
whats stopping me from fresh spawning and then "suiciding" making shit loads of AI? which equals easy prey for my buddies
not to mention just the strain on servers if a group wants to just troll it up and see how many AIs they can quickly spawn in
stray cloak
Could have a limit of 1 until is dies then
1 player, 1 ai. If it dies, respawn creates another
barren zephyr
its always a No no for me for adding survival creatures as ai
paper oriole
Just make hypo herbis carnivores lol
stray cloak
Oh god, hypo theri monch
vestal rune
the reason there's no larger AI rn is because they haven't developed AI enough, not because they don't have a good way of spawning them
paper oriole
imagine them adding acro ai that acts like the current ava ai does except it's aggressive
acro ai running itself in circles until its stam is drained and making its ear bleeding calls
blazing charm
@wheat hemlock Developers most likely do go through the suggestions posted in here, i'm pretty sure they even discussed one in here very recently.
wheat hemlock
Discussed 'a suggestion' or made a whole session where they go through them? That's a difference.
I keep stumbling back into suggestion channel and amongst the many annoying posts, i see multiple brilliant ideas and it feels like they go to waste.
mental sleet
they might be brilliant to us.
wheat hemlock
Feels like the channel exists to only create a fake idea that you are actually providing some input, when in reality the devs probably look in there once a blue moon out of curiosity.. I might be totally wrong but it's just my opinion ^^
viral creek
Seems like you're making major assumptions
wheat hemlock
Maybe Maybe not
viral creek
If you don't have anything to back up your statement then don't make a useless suggestion about it. It's a waste of space.
wheat hemlock
Why so serious? did i waste your time?
hybrid canyon
I’ll take a yikes for 400
white torrent
Don’t wanna be rude at all
Just, that’s a no no
The water will be dangerous enough when the Deino is added
And seeing how popular it is, there will be more than enough
hybrid canyon
Aren’t they getting rid of v3 anyways and just having the new Hope map?
Plus deino will prob be in the ocean as well
paper oriole
we'll have deino, sucho, spino in the water, plus possible more aquatics in the future
lol
we have spino for water giga is fine
what would be the point of making giga a semi aquatic predator
lmao
giga summoning sharks
im gonna assume that was a joke
white torrent
Rat, no
indigo sun
if it's not magic then what's the point?
paper oriole
how come almost every giga related suggestion is just laughable
indigo sun
because everything involving giga is just laughable
paper oriole
true
white torrent
Because they want a nonsensical reality
paper oriole
but for what gameplay reason
paper oriole
what gameplay reason would giga have to hunt in water
your only reason to back it is "what if"
white torrent
Giga would die in the water, it wouldn’t have a damn change
indigo sun
that's like "anky could be aquatic" cause we never saw it not swim
white torrent
*chance
white torrent
It’s completely different than rex
paper oriole
it's an endutance hunter, rex is ambusher
white torrent
I’m gonna loose my mind
paper oriole
ok this has to be a troll
indigo sun
1.) ont trust wiki
2.) Balance
paper oriole
not wasting any more brain cells on "giga 50km/h"
indigo sun
*dont
white torrent
Don’t trust that crap
indigo sun
Do you ever stop to consider balance
i feel like no one does when making giga suggestions
white torrent
That’s the same shit that says ceratosaurs was 60 MPH
indigo sun
"Yes lets have giga keep its 700 bite force, high bleed and we'll make it the fastest thing in the game"
white torrent
IIT DOESNT NEED ANY CHANGES
vestal rune
guys
giga is a sauropod killer, but sucks at killing pues
we need to double it's bleed
and maybe some extra weight will help
paper oriole
give giga a 50 foot jump so it can grab pue head
vestal rune
I like the way you're thinking
hybrid canyon
Give giga two dicks
white torrent
Better then making it a fucking ocean hunter
vestal rune
I don't like the way you're thinking
paper oriole
wtf look at giga that shit cant swim well enough to be a semi aquatic predator
hybrid canyon
Giga may have been maybe a beach comber at best
paper oriole
definitely seems that way
hybrid canyon
Scavenging rando sea life that washed up
white torrent
But there were no fucking sharks
hybrid canyon
Was giga even near an ocean
white torrent
I DONT THINK SO
hybrid canyon
I’m not bashing either side but that really throws a wrench in the discussion if our boys not near the beach
indigo sun
guys this is a waste of time and a clear troll. cmon
white torrent
None big enough to attack a fucking sauropod
vestal rune
this isn't even a discussion
vestal rune
noy when it's attacking
hybrid canyon
But why’s it in the ocean
vestal rune
that's not a thing
white torrent
But it wouldn’t do that, it wouldn’t swim after it in an ocean
vestal rune
there's like no case of different species helping each other to hunt something
vestal rune
unless you're talking like swarms of fish
@hybrid canyon how would hera be unique in survival
you said it would help it hunt
hybrid canyon
scavengers
vestal rune
the whole point of dryo is that it's an easy thing to grow
hybrid canyon
Bb dino crew
paper oriole
maybe egg thief if thats added some day down the line
vestal rune
which makes it best to be a herbivore, which doesn't need to worry about hunting
teal grotto
@vestal rune same for an ava
vestal rune
I thought we're talking about playable
paper oriole
ava and austro would make good pair
vestal rune
hera would ofc be excelent AI
teal grotto
It is atm
vestal rune
no
hybrid canyon
Herra gives you the speed and maneuverability to stick around apexes and clean up their gore
teal grotto
Dev's injected it into us1
hybrid canyon
Utah can’t really
teal grotto
Its still playable lol
vestal rune
by that logic shant and a bunch of other dinosaurs are playable in survival
like theri and acro
because they were injected in the past
hybrid canyon
Yuck acro
paper oriole
i mean galli can basically do the same shit as dryo too but better minus burrowing
so herrera would be that to a utah
vestal rune
but galli is a slower grower
barren zephyr
"make herrera survival please" umm isnt that against the rules
teal grotto
Galli is a troll
vestal rune
we don't need a fast growing carni, because the whole point of a fast grower is that it's easy
hera's special thing can't be that it's a fast grower because we already have one
paper oriole
only for one faction thoouugh
vestal rune
ye and it's better that way
teal grotto
@paper oriole are you a herbivore on us 1?
paper oriole
i dont even remember what i have on us1
vestal rune
as the point of dryo is that you can easily hop in and play as it, a carnivore would be worse at that because you have to worry about hunting and scavenging
teal grotto
@vestal rune I think we need variety
teal grotto
Of fast bois
paper oriole
might be galli there, but yea more variety and we already have herrera model
teal grotto
Herra and giggle chicken
teal grotto
No
viral creek
He means austro
vestal rune
oh lol
paper oriole
i mean ignoring the reasons to add herrera, there really isnt much reason not to
vestal rune
that's a retarded name
vestal rune
how about because it would cost like 7k to add it?
viral creek
I don't really care about austro. But herrera does have potential to be in survival, and it is not being a "fast boi."
vestal rune
a nickname for austro should be to do with it being aquatic lol
paper oriole
ehhhh giggle chicken fits
viral creek
In fact, if herrera was in survival, I'd prefer herrera have a speed nerf, to be slower than dryo. But giving him a better turn radius, and mobility based abilties to make up for it.
vestal rune
jaffad had some good ideas for hera
viral creek
(Climbing trees, climbing walls or any other surface like that, climbing through windows, etc.)
teal grotto
Rather have high speed and pathetic bite force and be dangerous to dinosaurs who are alone and are bleeding
vestal rune
tbh I don't see why you don't just give climbing to something else
vestal rune
that's utah
viral creek
Jaffad has a much better herra idea than just being "fast and weak"
paper oriole
why waste so many assets that are already there
hybrid canyon
Would be neat if herra could climb trees
vestal rune
waste assets?
teal grotto
That too
vestal rune
what do you mean?
paper oriole
which you seem to be against here
vestal rune
I guess there's the noises
and in the case of hera I imagine it'll get new animations too
'caus heras run would look retarded slowed down
hybrid canyon
Let’s try to limit saying that word my dude, someone might get upset
But either way herra would be a fun addition to the survival portion
vestal rune
we already talked about this lol
hybrid canyon
Giga is lame anyways
hybrid canyon
Make spino quadruped
vestal rune
ew that's disgusting
hybrid canyon
That’s what they think spino was
vestal rune
no it wasn't
vestal rune
that's what they thought immediatly after they found the skeletons in like, 2014
or was it 2017
fuck I forgot
hybrid canyon
It was versatile but normally stuck to quad I thought
vestal rune
anyways now the consensus is that it could walk on 2 legs
barren zephyr
giga being semi-aquatic as much as it sounds "ok" for you. it doesnt make sense and it may break the game and would look dumb too
vestal rune
though ptera is fucked up
FUCK
I meant
spino is fucked up
everything about it is so convoluted and confusing that's it's best not to think about it
hybrid canyon
They don’t have a 100% of the skeletal structure of the poor dude
barren zephyr
giga is not meant to be a swimmer
viral creek
the giga suggestion just makes no sense
hybrid canyon
Gigas weren’t swimming
barren zephyr
its meant to be a bleeder apex
viral creek
it's so random
barren zephyr
^
vestal rune
but to avoid going into #paleotalk , paleontologist's general theory is that it walked on 2 legs
paper oriole
giga is already good enough at hunting on land
hybrid canyon
I think it’s in the air
indigo sun
giga does just fine on land and doesnt need to be in the water
vestal rune
that's one of the things that isn't I think
barren zephyr
Giga is already overtuned on land
hybrid canyon
Mmmm I think it’s up to debate within the community
barren zephyr
why the hell make it even more on water
indigo sun
being in the water defeats its hunting style of trotting things down to keep them moving and bleeding out
vestal rune
they proved it COULD walk on 2 legs, and there's no reason for it to walk on 4, and there's no adaptations that showed it was a quadroped
paper oriole
being in the water would do nothing but shit on spino's niche
vestal rune
#paleotalk
indigo sun
giga has its niche, and that doesn't need to be changed
paper oriole
that isnt gigas job
indigo sun
trike would die trying to swim, considering it swims at .0005 km/hr
paper oriole
yeah trike wears itself out swimming across the land bridge
indigo sun
and i dont see why sauropods would swim island to island consistently
paper oriole
it aint swimming island to island
also trike is the shittiest thing at running away from anything
limpid jewel
is there no admin? why that dude get away with saying that? 😂
vestal rune
plus it would be a death wish, there's likely gonna be big AI in the water
barren zephyr
Camara is sandbox with survival restats
just not rebalanced again
It got reworked entirely recently for a reason
limpid jewel
imagine a sucho swimming away from a giga only to be killed by sharks ai that does not attack the other player lmaoooo
im sorry but that made me laugh
paper oriole
imagine spino being fucked over on his own turf by olympic champion giga wizard summoning sharks
random knoll
Deino just slowly backs off
vestal rune
@barren zephyr why
limpid jewel
lmao 6 hours growth to be killed by giga sharks as soon as you step into water
paper oriole
that ones an obvs troll suggest like damn dude try harder at least
indigo sun
that's... such a waste of brainpower
random knoll
Could all ways @ a mod
paper oriole
yes
limpid jewel
<@&401466542140817419>
paper oriole
ah beat me to it
limpid jewel
suggestion needs deleted thx
barren zephyr
good
torn thistle
@hybrid canyon Please add a bit more to your Survival suggestion as to why a certain dinosaur should be added.
@barren zephyr No troll suggestions.
hybrid canyon
vestal rune
I love how bhal left rat alone
torn thistle
I'm guessing this is something further up in chat
vestal rune
oof
limpid jewel
oof
wheat hemlock
Oof
paper oriole
not that one
limpid jewel
bruh
viral creek
tbh i don't think the suggestions channel is useless because the devs don't check it, but moreso because few of the suggestions are actually useful
paper oriole
pretty sure hes talking about the gay pride joke lol
torn thistle
He's gone.
limpid jewel
thx
torn thistle
Sorry about my apparent blindness today.
paper oriole
all good
vestal rune
@hollow tangle there is a confirmed new spawn system coming into the future
you'll be airdropped in
idk if you'll be able to pick what area you spawn in but you will be able to change your trajectory as you fall
hollow tangle
Thank freaking gods xD ive honestly lost count of how many juvie raptors ive drowned today LOL
paper oriole
you monster
vestal rune
no, it's ok to drown rexes
hollow tangle
XD
paper oriole
drowning rexes is okay
vestal rune
FUCK I missread
barren zephyr
so many snowflakes jesus christ, you take it as if i posted a picture of a dead guy lmfao
paper oriole
i mean it was really just not that funny for a troll post
barren zephyr
did i say it was
indigo sun
well we can name it something else, either way, it's a decent idea as an endgame for herbivores since they dont get strains
vestal rune
I like the idea of supertask growing
indigo sun
you could need to be like a super-parent or some shit with your dinosaur and manage to fend off a ton of shit before you make it to elder or something idk
vestal rune
super adult, alpha
paper oriole
i'd assume this stage would be more common to see than a strain though, i mean a hypo would still run in and demolish this
vestal rune
it would definetly be fundamentally different from any strain
paper oriole
more of a "grow into it" reward from survviving a long time and enduring hardship which strains won't be
barren zephyr
It would be nice to be rewarded for surviving even past adulthood. But what would the perks be exactly?
indigo sun
@wicked fossil you can go into the settings and check/uncheck the head tracking setting and it'll keep your dinosaur's head still even if you look around
paper oriole
it isnt as strong as the special strains tho so i'd definitely hope it wouldnt take as long
vestal rune
I still like the idea of the super task age though
paper oriole
i think they want something to keep your dino looking in a diff direction than default, even while moving camera
vestal rune
where adulthood is more 0.8 and 1.0 is the endgame thing you aspire too
valid zephyr
I like the idea of elder herbis. It's different to strains, yet it's a fun end goal
wicked fossil
@indigo sun thanks for the heads up! Still a hotkey for easy enable and disable would be nice
paper oriole
it'd be nice maybe if holding down the screenshot key would lock your dinos head so you can move around and releasing it would take the shot idk
barren zephyr
¯_(ツ)_/¯
valid zephyr
An elder could potentially be a lot more common than a hypo, but much weaker
more like the jump from sub to adult.
nocturne sonnet
it would be a chance for herbies to become"popular" again
paper oriole
also herbies should get something similar to deino as in it has an overgrowth, like a sauropod
maybe cama if they up its max size to better fit
nocturne sonnet
if cama gets in survival it will gets its orginal size which is twice as big as it is now
valid zephyr
cama should be somthing like 7 hours to get to the current 12 ton cama, then an additional 48 hours to get to a 22 ton 'legendary' cama
aka its full size
vestal rune
in order for herbies to be popular they have to be interesting like carnis
not some dumb wannabe strain
paper oriole
also doesnt help that on so many servers herbis will get in trouble for defending themselves even
theyre just in a hard spot
valid zephyr
Elder trike could be 10 tons and 800 horn damage maybe. And take something like 48 hours and high affinity to grow.
maybe a bit slower than normal adult trike
nocturne sonnet
vestal rune
I still think super task ages would be the best way for an endgame
valid zephyr
yeah interesting tasks, high affinity, and a minimum time needed should all be required for elder
but it should be way easier than hypo, as it's way weaker
paper oriole
if the final form capitalized on the herbis main trait itd be neat too, like trike's tankiness, galli's agility
valid zephyr
A trike which has lived for at least 48 hours with high affinity, and done said tasks would be rare.
Elder dryo might be reasonably common though
though not really op either
blazing charm
So, I heard that Strain Herbivores were mentioned.
paper oriole
elder dryo could take on a utah thats basically it
indigo sun
strain herbivores were discussed a while ago i think
valid zephyr
strain herbis are confirmed no
paper oriole
nobody cares if a utah gets itself killed
indigo sun
this is a non-strain endgame for herbivores
nocturne sonnet
valid zephyr
The only criteria we have for herbi endgame is it can't be strains
Love Emilys elder dinos. They're amazing.
vestal rune
they are edgy
paper oriole
"more aggressive behaviour"
valid zephyr
everything is edgy according to the isle fanbase
paper oriole
this is the wise galli who kicked 50 rexes and lived
nocturne sonnet
yap
vestal rune
what
valid zephyr
maybe elder dryo could be 1200kg and 40N or somthing
seems a similar increase to the juvie - adult gap
valid zephyr
So worried that herbis will be left with nothing while carnis get to turn into godzilla
still temple
Why add strain herbis when you can simply add Brachi as playable 
vestal rune
this isn't some war between factions
infact, only some carnis get strains
strains are just their seperate thing
paper oriole
it sort of is because the strains are something to encourage people to play carnis more and they are already the more popular faction, while herbis currently have no end game in sight
vestal rune
I'm sure ther'll be some endgame for herbies
valid zephyr
More people will play carnis due to having the remote possibility of turning into a strain.
vestal rune
but honestly, it's more important to make herbi gameplay fun and interesting then to add an endgame
carnis are more popular not becuase they can turn into strains, but because they're gameplay is more fun
paper oriole
they are currently more popular because of their gameplay and because they get most attention, strains will just be more on top of that
vestal rune
I don't imagine strains will change much
if herbis were just as fun they'd be closer in numbers
vestal rune
that's why we need to make it better
valid zephyr
trouble is the herbis unique points which made them fun are vanishing one by one. group mixed chat and mixherding
that's why people played them
vestal rune
elders or primes would do jack shit
those are really poor reasons for good herbi gameplay
I'd rather get rid of them in order for some real ones
paper oriole
herbi community play which is basically the only reason to go herb rn keeps getting shat on because carni players whine about death squads
still temple
Hell, almost half the herbi roster are essentially smaller clone versions of their larger apex counterparts
vestal rune
why do people fucking act like there's a war between factions, it's so dumb
paper oriole
because thats how people play it as
vestal rune
what?
no I mean people are picking sides then blaming the other side for bad things that happen in the game
it's so retarded
the devs aren't that pandering
still temple
>almost half the herbi roster are essentially smaller clone versions of their larger apex counterparts
"not pandering"
paper oriole
there's clearly a carni bias in the development
vestal rune
the devs wanted carnis
valid zephyr
the issue is even if herbis and carnis had the exact same stats, 90% would pick carni as teeth = cool.
Herbis need unique and engaging gameplay to change that. They need to offer somthing carnis don't
paper oriole
and i get it, carnivores are easier to make interesting
but that doesnt mean herbis should be left in the dust
valid zephyr
currently carnis offer everything herbis do + cool factor
vestal rune
what I'm saying is they're not pandering to people complaining
they never changed shit because someone whined about it
paper oriole
the bias is there whether they are responding to the complaints or not
valid zephyr
they stopped trikes mixing due to carnis complaining
vestal rune
devs should never change something just because people complain about it
valid zephyr
the result was herbis went from rate to almost extinct on officials
paper oriole
and what about the carnivore death squads
vestal rune
scouting with gallis and dryos and killing with trikes
paper oriole
allos can still 15 pack that decimates everything
paper oriole
lol
vestal rune
diablos can still 15 pack
paper oriole
so what
still temple
Pretty sure carnis can easily walk away from trikes.
valid zephyr
there are never 15 dibbles on the server though, as no one wants to play them
paper oriole
they can, trike cant outrun anything
paper oriole
trike is the weakest apex right now, cant back out of a fight either
still temple
no one is forcing carnis to fight trikes, yet rarted carni players go head on into trike herds and expect themselves to win simply because they are carnivores
vestal rune
those are some retarded players
trike doesn't suck right now because carnivores complained, it's because the devs made a mistake in balancing and then updates got entirely haulted
valid zephyr
The issue is back in 2017 herbis had unique mechanics carnis didn't. If you wanted action you chose carni. If you wanted to socialse you picked herbi.
Now herbis have them removed, carnis can do everything herbis can.
Now if you want action, you choose carni. If you want social, you choose carni.
mental sleet
Herbs did not have anything unique in 2017 that carnivores didn't have.
vestal rune
^
valid zephyr
they had mixed group chats
unique island
discord makes mixed group chats invalid
vestal rune
^
socialization is a retarded way of making herbis unique
jaffad had some good ideas about how to actually do it
valid zephyr
most herbi players i knew left after that got removed. Hell I learnt to play as an oro while a stego taught me the controls.
How would you make herbis so people actually touched them?
unique island
herbs back in the day had one thing over the carnis. It was the blue flowers, they made it so much easier and faster to prog up so more people would choose them over the slower prog of the carnis
vestal rune
that was true
still temple
imo a nice compromise would be for herbivores in the same family to be able to group chat in game.
e.g.
Ceratopsians: Trike, Diablo
Hadrosaurs: Para, Maia
Herbis with scout potential like Galli and Dryo will not be able to grp chat with other species
vestal rune
but carnis were gonna get such a thing anyway
unique island
they were, but it was never done. Instead survival became the thing
valid zephyr
All I hear is why suggestion A/suggestion B/ etc for herbis shouldn't be done.
I never hear alternate things that should be done to make them not extinct
mental sleet
They are lost in the sands of #general-feedback but they were made.
vestal rune
^
mental sleet
and they weren't reposted 500 times like the Elders
mental sleet
Ah it's mine and watt's document
mental sleet
Yeah we kinda only posted that on the first one...
vestal rune
hmm?
vestal rune
ye ik
viral creek
@wicked fossil Go to settings, and disable local head tracking.
steady cradle
it would still be better to have the option of doing is faster
charred cedar
ah
barren zephyr
@vital shadow Read that Friend/ Amigo
Lol 😂
@safe spire They are going to rip you lol
indigo sun
@safe spire The game aims to be survival horror. As they work on the recode, the current game is just growing and surviving but it will go beyond that after we get new code. All dinosaurs are free with the game but some aren't available if you go to a server set to the survival game mode, as the unavailable ones are not finished with life stages. You start as a juvi and grow to an adult with most dinosaurs but the apexes like trike, rex, and giga, have an extra sub stage. Each life stage for each dinosaur has a different time that it takes to grow, i can't list all of them here but i'm sure there's a document with information in the pinned messages of #401464048610312195 .
in the future direct any questions to that channel as well
Also before buying please understand that the isle intends to implement humans and monstrous, unnatural dinosaurs into the game. There will be servers where they are disabled but those are things that will exist in the game. This isn't a dinosaur simulator, and you should not expect it to be one
torn thistle
@safe spire You probably should've asked that in #401464048610312195
safe spire
Sorry and thanks
torpid wedge
hypo herbies would not be fun at all
hypo carnies get to eat everyone
what is a hypo herb gonna do? it's gonna be so hungry it won't even get to kill stuff it'll just eat all of the map's food lol
elder herb is a better idea imo
but i honestly think mechanics are a better route to go
like giving herbs more stuff like dryo has burrowing
paper oriole
i mean
herbi strains could turn carnivorous lol
but yea they shoud have a unique endgame i just hope they dont get screwed over
paper oriole
right now carnis have everything unique aside from burrowing which only one herbi can make use it
some day i hope herbis get some love
torpid wedge
they will
they're still working hard on mechanics/adding dinos in
it's just, as someone said before, easier to make carnivores more engaging
have faith :P
grave karma
for that respawn option, you can literally just grow a maia on a diff account, respawn, log in on main, and eat the maia to survive as an apex or something
torpid wedge
what if they could make it to where you couldn't eat food from one of your own account
like when you die
it'll remember your corpse and you can't see/eat it
paper oriole
could have a friend exploit it for you lol
barren zephyr
Or just have it so that your server doesn't have Family sharing
teal grotto
@paper oriole or turn it into an omnivore
valid zephyr
I think herbi mechanics for general gameplay, and herbi endgame goals should be two different topics. They're not the same thing.