It'd be a joke to people
#general-feedback-discussion
indigo sun
barren zephyr
Ark has shitting and even though it ca nbe used for good
its still not
taken seriously
its just not a good idea
to add a comedy effect to a horror game
indigo sun
Best case scenarious is people leaving like... shit designs or something.
tulip mason
this game is a horror? what? lol
barren zephyr
its set to be a horror gritty game
Its just early
and not really horror
at the moment
but it is meant to
indigo sun
It is a survival horror game but its not at its true potential just yet
indigo sun
Just..
No shit please. It's a completely unnecessary mechanic for the game and it would be nothing more than a joke
barren zephyr
i can imagine dondi just shredding this suggestion hard
if he sees it
being suggested
tulip mason
Dinosaurs aren't the same without shit
tulip mason
lol
indigo sun
Shoo. Damn scat lovers
barren zephyr
I'm disgusted thats it
tulip mason
Am I the only one who is disappointed there is no voice chat? After all the twitch streams i watched I thought this was already a thing 😦
barren zephyr
imagine isle with global voice chat
paper oriole
i want cross species local vc option
barren zephyr
all the retarded 9yr olds crying that i shouldn't kill them
tulip mason
Just like most games, you could turn off it if you dont like it
barren zephyr
Not my rex! no😢
paper oriole
joining a herd and blasting moans when a giga starts lookin for us
tulip mason
poop bomb attacks
paper oriole
pteras and brachio should be able to poop on the lower beings
tulip mason
epic gameplay
barren zephyr
baiting juvies with oro sound effect. mp3
trnix
Trenix
dont turn this game into Fly Like a Bird 3
with the shitting pteras
pls
barren zephyr
same
tulip mason
im kidding, you know that right? lol
paper oriole
idc it is a valid feature that should totally be added to ptera gameplay
very important
grave karma
anky for mid-tier
paper oriole
Fat afk rexes with asthma and arthritis
paper oriole
Why not both
indigo sun
We can literally have both nothing stops it except the will of the devs
A fresh face and a familiar face
paper oriole
Theyd have different combat styles so yeah why not both
oak shale
@mellow maple why have borealpelta when we can have Edmontonia
edmon is bigger
and could actually replace anky
hell why can’t we have both even
lol
One apex and one small tier
mellow maple
I said my reasons why I'd prefer Borealopelta over Edmontonia
But I was also under the assumption the devs wanna throw anky under the rug.
grave karma
bryan does
sinful pawn
we should be able to talk to at least are own kin on global
tulip mason
yeah that would make sense
indigo sun
They meant local presumably
violet magnet
talk to your own kin anywhere on the map in local instead of just in the vicinity...?
am confuse
wording is weird
vestal rune
@thorny lynx each claw is a hitbox, so 1 swipe is 3 hits and 3 swipes is 9, this is intentional and for once not a bug
thorny lynx
That's what makes Theri so devastating, though.
Maybe reduce the damage for each claw?
And are you for sure that's how Theri works?
I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be taking damage 2 seconds after a Theri does its run + click at you.
That's like saying Shant is allowed to hit two times in one stomp because it has two legs, but that;s simply not the case. Both feet should stomp at the same time.
Hence, say, if each claw was worth 50/75/100 damage, it should all apply at the same time unless a claw doesn't hit the box.
keen trail
That anky suggestion... why would it be semi aquatic? Idk much about dinos, but I do know anything that heavily armored would probably swim like a rock. Also why no damage? And 100% leg break? There’s literally no way to hunt it without getting ur leg broken and with no damage, it couldn’t really defend very well against a large pack.
spiral ravine
@coral jetty the devs are active. you sound like your paying zero attention so i suggest ask someone what the "recode" is
lament thorn
@keen trail
Couch Tomato Asks: What can we expect to see with fishing?
What can we expect to see with the coming fishing mechanic? What type of fish will we be seeing and how will the mechanic function?
Answer:
Right now we’ve got some massive coelacanth and catfish that will be swimming your way. But we’ll likely expand that to a few smaller species over time.
- from ask a dev
indigo sun
That stuffs kinda old. Nothing new's been added since they cancelled it
thorny lynx
What do yu guys think?
rigid harness
I think that isn’t really practical for real time rendering
I don’t know the technical side too well, but it seems like a lot of extra information unless it’s specifically used in the animator and baked into the animations, but that seems like a lot of work for some small detail
thorny lynx
That's true, but
I know rex is getting new animations, but the way I can see rex's legs move and pop in place at his hip, as if he were an action figure
It unsettles me
I can actually see where the thigh starts and stops
I can't explain it.
hallow vigil
@full tulip read pinned messages in #general-feedback pls
vestal rune
@thorny lynx shant hits 2 times because of latency issues, theri hits multiple times because each claw is a hitbox, it's how theri always was
and the damage is already calibrated to those claws, theri is meant to deal devestating amount of damage, it's a glass cannon, it's why it doesn't have bleed
paper oriole
doesnt theri strong attack oneshot other theris
i know ive had that happen lol
its batshit crazy damage output is fine
vestal rune
ye
barren zephyr
Theri's damage output is fine. It's just too ugly to put into survival. It needs a remodel.
paper oriole
theri with custom skins would be so UNNNGH yes good i hope they bring that boi to survival, but yeah he is fien rn as the glass cannon
violet magnet
who put up that anky suggestion
that was bad and u should feel bad, don't come after The Honker like that
"anky deals zero damage but breaks everything's leg" wtf good is it? Break the thing's leg then just waddle away and wait for it to heal the leg and then track you down again?
still temple
cus apparently having your leg bones broken doesn't mean you get hurt 
jolly willow
anybody have an opinion on my carno suggest
i had a single squint then it disappeared
still temple
carno is meant to have a shit turn radius
it's a trade off for being the fastest thing in game
jolly willow
yes but my point is
this skid mechanic would be a meaningful, important decision in a hunt (stamina drain and extending the hunt)
and as i said
still temple
wouldnt mind having him skidding tho
jolly willow
how does carno hunt when all his intended prey outturns him lol
ye the skid mechanic
like i said, it would be a meaningful important decision in a hunt
still temple
galli probs should get a nerf in turn radius. It's trickling into Dryo's juking niche
jolly willow
plus who doesn't wanna tokyo drift as carno?
thats like the coolest thing ever 
ill wait until someone gives me a reaction tho
icy moat
There is a theory that carnos tails were not quite flexible n thus it was believed that carnos pretty much sucked at taking dem sharp turns
keen trail
@willow zealot if all you do is put 1 picture of something they are not going to even consider it
you need to provide more info and why you want it in the game and its purpose
pseudo falcon
I think it conveys the message sufficiently. He wants that dino in the game. It has a model already, why not use it? At least that's what I've gathered.
keen trail
That’s just what the admins say
dreamy portal
Make Pachy' viable.
graceful hazel
Yeah Carnos realistically couldn’t turn well so.
hallow vigil
just a picture isnt enough for a suggestion, you need a LOT more than that
dinos cost thousands of dollars to made and put into the game, so dino suggestions need very good justification for making them
fathom idol
@winter spear The stego we have now is based on this skeleton. The NEW stego were getting is a mix of the old box stego and "Sophie" Also remember that she isnt a fully grown animal. The only reason she's special is because she's about 80% complete
sick crescent
@jolly willow n o 
indigo sun
@formal vine the horror aspect of the game isn't finished, and the recode should help them get to that faster. Saying "make it scary" isnt going to change that they couldn't implement the horror part just yet
bold relic
@river tundra i'd love that but i think fat should be a positive affect for big herbs like trikes so that the stronger triko bois give a bigger reward when killed
river tundra
True. I meant it can be for both Carnivores and herbivores.
And if you think about it, the dinosaurs’ skin already does tighten up when they’re starving, so why not have them get fatter if they eat too much?
bold relic
It does?
jolly willow
@sick crescent give me a reason why not :/
river tundra
@bold relic I mean, Anthomnia once pointed out that when a dinosaur is starving it's skin tightens up.
vestal rune
anth is a faulty source of information at best
bold relic
sad anthomnia noises out of the backround
wide jolt
the model doesn't change at all when starving afaik. i think the normal texture gets intensified to give a slightly more emaciated look
barren zephyr
The skin tightens up.
formal vine
@wide jolt is correct
valid zephyr
bold relic
I would afk grow rexes just to be fat lol
indigo sun
Any fat on carnivores should be detrimental to the carnivore. Carnivores, unless they hibernate at some point in the year or live in extremely cold weather, do not bulk up with fat.
They need to be muscular and slim in order to properly keep up with and catch prey.
river tundra
Exactly, so it’d be a real downside of they just camped around. They’ll gain fat and will be slower when moving.
bold relic
But how fast can the fat go away and how long do you have to sit for it to build up?
indigo sun
I had a suggestion for this why did i waste my time hold on i'll find it
An idea for fat building off of PurpleGiraffe's suggestion:
Fat could be positive for herbivores while negative for carnivores. Carnivores don't often build up fat because of the need to be strong enough and agile enough to take down prey. Carnivores who overeat and don't move while growing could become fat. They wouldn't move as fast and/or have less stamina because they aren't using their muscle and put on unnecessary weight.
Herbivores could build up a fat storage especially for migration. They could have the option to eat past 100% and doing so would mean their hunger would go down slower. This would work mainly for migration, because food is not a guarantee while on the move. Using the extra fat storage for no reason though could have similar results to carnivores doing so. Herbivores who build up unused fat storage could also become slower and/or have less stamina. And like PurpleGiraffe's suggestion, there could be an indicator to show how much fat they have built up/left over.
So carnivores are negatively impacted overall because they aren't meant to build up fat reserves, and herbivores could be either positively or negatively impacted depending on how they use said fat.
Fat would be a separate thing from hunger that will go down faster or slower depending on activity
Actively hunting and moving, it would take the amount of time it takes for the species' hunger to go down completely.
Starving off fat without moving would take twice as long
There's how fat would work
FUCK I MEANT TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TWO DAYS AGO
bold relic
Copy and paste that into suggestions and delete it here would fit better
river tundra
That is a good idea, too. And makes perfect sense
indigo sun
I already made the suggestion that was for you cause i realized i had explained it better originally
I just copy and pasted that from my suggestion
barren berry
paper oriole
Uh
indigo sun
He asked "any russians?"
odd dove
Yeah
teal grotto
@indigo sun Fat could also Provide warmth and make it so Hunger takes awhile to go down.. More fat you have the less likely you have to eat.. and can help with the Tempitures when they get added in 😉
indigo sun
The hunger bit was a point for herbivores but yes i suppose that temperature is also a possibility for fat should it be added
cedar rover
Anyone see the game get heavyer each week? Or it just me
indigo sun
@tulip mason player dinosaurs cannot fill the server enough and ai dinosaurs allow for otherwise unused models to be used. I believe the point is to be unable to tell the difference between ai and players, especially with larger ai once that comes. It helps the map feel alive and larger ai dinosaurs can be both a threat for afk juvies and an option for grown dinosaurs to hunt should they decided whatever risk the ai poses when ai actually fights back is worth it.
And I'm not sure what you mean by heavier @cedar rover
cedar rover
Heavier my gramma bad lol
indigo sun
Regardless of spelling, i still am not sure what you mean by the game getting heaviet
*heavier
cedar rover
More heavy to run on the pc i meant
indigo sun
Oh, i havent noticed anything like that
tulip mason
I donno, dino ai isn't very bright. They yell a lot and run in circles. It's very difficult to make an ai that will be similar to an actual player
indigo sun
Ai isnt perfect right now, no. But it's not finished
tulip mason
Also am i the only one that believes that 100 players on a giant map is too little? map needs to shrink or player cap needs an increase
cedar rover
@tulip mason the other map smaller i know
tulip mason
The map is beautiful though... but wayyyyyyy too big
cedar rover
Thenyaw it called
indigo sun
They literally cant increase player counts on officials right now because the server and ai wont function properly. The recode is meant to fix this
tulip mason
what is teh expected cap?
indigo sun
We dont know
indigo sun
@tulip mason making one sex more powerful with the other will make that the more common sex. It wont really balance out male-female populations. And it can be balance hell trying to make sure the stronger sex isnt overpowered and the weaker sex isnt underpowered. In the future, males and females will both be necessary for nesting, so they'll be equally important.
mental sleet
^
tulip mason
The differences of sexes shouldn't be big, but slight ones. Honestly having the ability to spawn people directly to you, is a pretty big benefit. Egg spawns shouldn't also be invited, players should be able to select it as an option if a nest is available.
mental sleet
I dislike that last comment.
I don't want some random joining my nests.
Maybe an option for it, at most.
indigo sun
If log-in screen invites happen, nests should be able to be locked to invite only so random people cant take eggs meant for other people.
tulip mason
@mental sleet maybe make it an option, but you can also kill your young for food 😄
mental sleet
By that he means killing the randoms.
tulip mason
exactly so if you get a random in your hatch and you dont like them, eat em
mental sleet
Which then is a waste of time on your part, and theirs.
or worse, you bite your own babies as well
indigo sun
No that's a serious waste
tulip mason
The players who spawn, should have an option of what kind of spawn
indigo sun
Let people just have the option to not let random people join their nests
mental sleet
And let it be the default option.
indigo sun
If someone wants randos in their nest, sure, but if someone wants to nest their friends in or specific people asked for an egg, then it'd be so fuckin stupid for a rando to take it
tulip mason
true, but there should be public nests, i wouldnt mind it... always looking for groups
indigo sun
Just make it optional
tulip mason
yeah optional would be good
oak shale
@viral bear something like that would really only make sense as an ability for para
Imo
because of the whole crest thing
viral bear
Trex did have sensory systems in its feet to feel the vibration of other animals
indigo sun
Is that something new i havent heard about? Cause uh, all i see is great sense of smell and crocodile-like sense systems in the face
@viral bear where did that information come from cause i cant find anything about rex having sensory systems in its feet?
viral bear
im not sure how old but there was something that said it could feel the vibrations more accurately in its feet
indigo sun
Unless you can provide whatever said that I can't really just go with it. more recent information only talks about its skull
viral bear
It was something like this but it was like bats and their sound vibrations bouncing off the prey that was walking https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/t-rex-may-have-been-surprisingly-sneaky-at-stalking-its-prey/
indigo sun
That's completely different from sensing prey
viral bear
It’s using the vibrations to talk to its mate or pack mate where the animal is but it wasn’t this article exactly
paper oriole
unfortunately water taint would just be abused cus like
somebody could make a dryo and just yeet it into a lake rinse repeat
also on the subject of venom, it is in most cases only toxic when it is injected, not eaten
that is the difference between venom and poison
azure arch
I mean, I would think the venom would be like gila monster venom
It's just trickling on the teeth all the time
So makes sense that the venom would taint the meat, right?
paper oriole
the venom would definitely ge ton the meat, but venoms potency really depends on it getting onto a wound (like form the bite)
and is usually nullified if eaten
i mean if you ate a a significant amount of it i guess
guess it depends on what the dilo uses specifically though, it could be used to grief if it could taint corpses
barren zephyr
Trex does not need a buff. Some of the dinos do, but definitely not rex.
paper oriole
ya rex is fine where he is will be when bone break is reworked
indigo sun
An anti-coagulant wouldn't really actively hurt something. It's kinda just that you bleed more. Your blood wont clot as effectively. Which could mean that a dinosaur eating an envenomed corpse could be weaker to bleed and be unable to heal as well, but not on the same level as direct bites from a dilophosaurus
indigo sun
Yeah
paper oriole
just like people would yeet themselves into water for fun if they knew they were being a hindrance to anybody who wanted to drink from it
lament kayak
@tulip mason or a simple toggle between sniff or sniff + water sniff
grave karma
you can literally just grow a dryo and ruin a stream for everyone if water tainting becomes a thing
paper oriole
Exactly what i said lol see it just immediately comes to mind every water source would be filled with dead dryos
pseudo falcon
@tulip mason I just wanna say you're idea is really cool. The people who used the squint emoji on it must be too dense to see it for what it is.
rigid tartan
man people who complain about leg break when theyr fighting a rex as a dilo or allo. u guys are something else 😂
lilac swallow
Not to mention the they upvoted their own suggestion and thats an instaloss
waxen marlin
@icy tangle
Game isnt even finished yet and youre wanting nerfs.. ffs
there you go pal. Hope you're happy
indigo sun
They nerf and buff dinosaurs regardless of whether or not the game is finished. It's balance..
rigid tartan
I mean... not lately. got their hands full
waxen marlin
What im getting at is, "Trex shouldn't break bones every time" It's a tyrannosaurus rex. It will break bones. Have you seen the jaws on it? If people dont want broken bones, dont try to attack one as a dilo/allo etc. simple
indigo sun
I think the main issue with bonebreak isnt percentage, but that it'll break your leg magically from fuckin anywhere on your body, which that'll get fixed with locational so not a big deal.
I can see where people are coming from. It's supposed to be kinda chance-based but the way bonebreak is set up it's almost a guarantee unless youre that lucky giga from last night who got bit three times and still managed to run
waxen marlin
3 times!! Amazing lol.. Definitely not percentage then. But yeah i get that point, I could bite your head and you'd break a leg :/
But, I think the break is correct. It's definitely relative to prey. If a rex bit an allo on the leg, it'd break
rigid tartan
tbh if a rex bit a dilo/allo anywhere it would be fatal the damn jaws are like 3/4 of their body. people complaining about leg break are just salty they can't run around killing whatever they like
blazing yacht
It should be reduced or removed. If herbs can't defend themself with their own bone break or anything why should Rex have it? Co-ordinated groups need to have the tools necessary to attack and defend and it seems it's lop sided and in favor of predators. Granted I've not had the pleasure to play Evey dino and I've only had the game for a week but Herbie's feel like they get the short end of the stick. I would suggest giving back Dino's the ability to compete in that aspect as well as add a charge ability for packies. The can't turn once charging but they can cancel and re initiate a charge at the very heavy expense of their Stam drained to use it. @icy tangle is spot on with his suggestion
icy tangle
@blazing yacht They are considered the apex, one of the most powerfull dino in the game and in history, but yet their only stratgie is to hold its back to a wall or water. And wait for dinos to come in and put bone break on it. Bone break has to reduced or removed. Or give to other dinos too
bold relic
Rex cant 1v1 things like trikes shants and camas
indigo sun
@blazing yacht I gave that a thumbs down in suggestions down because rex does need bonebreak to catch food. Current bonebreak is imperfect, I know, and it's being changed. But rex has very short stamina and a slow trot and can't keep going after prey after it runs out of stamina. It'd be a death sentence to rexes unless they one or two shot whatever they're going after.
No rex can 1v1 trike
blazing yacht
That I agree with strike
indigo sun
Maybe not cama or shant but trike will get fucked in a facetank with a rex. Bonebreak sucks currently.
bold relic
But they lose it
blazing yacht
I said removed in the idea of a temporary fix
indigo sun
Easier to just fix how bonebreak works with or immediately after the recode
bold relic
Lol no i got never killed by rex as trike and never killed trike as rex
blazing yacht
I do agree Rex needs help because of Stam pool and speed so they need SOMETHING to help them. But defending against it seems harder once broken. Friendly fire is on so now it's garuntee kill for thhebrex
blazing yacht
Does anyone know when recode comes out?
indigo sun
No, no etas
blazing yacht
Or is this going to be another DayZ situation where they drag their feet for 3 years and scum comes in and releases fix's and new content every 5 days? Only with this scenario it's path of titans
bold relic
Probably like 1 or 2 months i'd say
indigo sun
They're working hard on the recode, but they were set back a month by a flood, and because Mother Nature's a bitch, there can be unexpected setbacks like that, making people lose their shit if they cant meet an eta
blazing yacht
Scum in 1 year surpassed DayZ because they were dedicated to getting it done
Ah I didn't know that. That's tough to deal with
Especially when you lose your data. That's basically starting over
indigo sun
It was less losing data and more one of the coders was displaced for a bit. But also, recoding an entire game with only two people is tough, so I kinda expected it to take longer than whatever people think "a few months" is
blazing yacht
I mean...I personally would hire people for a contract to get it done and then use my people to fix the bugs. That option is risky but if people see stuff being released they are more prone to be loyal. I'm seeing people getting burned out just because it's the same old same old and that can be really hard on a game. Conan had that problem and once they reworked the combat system it was too late. People left the game without the interest to return because the flame to play died.
The game is in super high demand IMO but people flock to where there's progress.
indigo sun
I think it's especially risky to just hire new people because they need to work well together and not screw up the code, which could set the game back yet again
blazing yacht
I think if they simply opened the modding platform back up and LET people add reworks or w.e they want it will let people develope what they want. FiveM has a VERY successful mod setup where people can recode the game itself and turn it into what they want. Giving people that freedom would take A LOT of pressure and flak off the game devs and they don't have to worry about releasing content on a deadline and people are volunteering their time to mod
If the coding is good the devs can copy the framework from that mod off a community site and add or modify what ever they want
rigid tartan
bone break is fine stop crying 😏
paper fractal
Mmmm
blazing yacht
To me FiveM is THE most successful public created content games
paper fractal
Debatable in some way
blazing yacht
@rigid tartan when you're ready to actually discuss things and not be a jerk feel free to join the conversation
rigid tartan
I'll discuss it. just bored of the same old "waah. I can't beat rex's" story
blazing yacht
Nobody's crying we are debating ideas
rigid tartan
plenty of ways to do it.
most rexs are generally noobs anyway as they easy to grow and iconic
blazing yacht
Then please don't come off that way. I know I'm not a cryhard and I can appreciate your frustrations
rigid tartan
bleed is alot more op than bone break as it has a much higher skill cap
patience and u can kill anything. it's dumb
blazing yacht
What do you mean by skill cap?
rigid tartan
I mean most players don't abuse bleed they try bite u over and over.
keep someone bleeding and it's by.
gg*
blazing yacht
Right stegos have that but stegos can't really compete if their leg is broken
rigid tartan
stegos aren't official tho.
paper fractal
Trike is pretty much dead if its leg is broken
blazing yacht
So what Dino's can really defend against a Rex right now then?
paper fractal
When confronted with a Tyrannosaurus at least
blazing yacht
That's a harvivore btw.
cyan flame
What do we mean with "defend"? Most things can escape, even gigas given a bit of distance
rigid tartan
trikes easily can confront rex's3unless you're a solo . which let's face it you shouldn't be if your playing a trike
blazing yacht
What Herbie's can really defend against a rex
rigid tartan
anything that can out run it rump. that's the point
blazing yacht
Trikes Can bleed but it doesn't seem that the bleed is very severe
rigid tartan
not 1on1 it shouldn't buff
paper fractal
Yes it should?
cyan flame
Far as I know, you're not really supposed to defend against a rex, if it get's close enough to nom you, you will die, unless you're another rex, or trike hopefully, and yes, right now it's a little bit iffy on the trike, though a stomp or two will hurt. And with BB being RNG, it's.. well, not that fun
paper fractal
As I pointed out in my suggestion, we have fossil evidence of Triceratops surviving aggressive head on encounters with Tyrannosaurus
It makes no sense for it to be at a disadvantage when fighting Tyrannosaurus
rigid tartan
no. they shouldn't herbies dont ever have to worry about food or water. thats mostly the point behind them being less capable fighters... if a trike can beat a rex 1on1 why the fuck would you even play a rex lol every1 would just play trike. the idea is to group up with trikes and face off against rex's
blazing yacht
That's what I'm saying. Erik said what I was saying is that if a rex breaks the legs it's garunteed to die because you can't really support your trike buddy with friendly fire being on
pure fossil
guys, yesterday 2 rexes were near death only for kill 1 adult trike. Stop criying for Broken legs, you dont neee run. If you leg is broken, just stop, ust alt + movement and strike in the direction of the enemy. I fight rex vs rex with broken leg and won. The people seems like they dont know how to beat one thing. The bleeding mechanic is worst than broken legs
rigid tartan
dont bring your "muh realism" tho into a game discussion my dude
paper fractal
But its still unbalanced then
rigid tartan
theres gonna be pro's and conns
paper fractal
You can't guarantee that you have a herd mate in game
rigid tartan
9 times out of 10 when rex's fight trikes. they'r either gonna lose a rex or come away severely wounded.
no you cant, and thats YOUR risk
not the games
every1 takes a risk playing solo
even rex's
cyan flame
Why is the idea that if a trike sees and takes the rex head on, the rex loses, if the rex ambushes, gets a bonebreak/baits a stomp, it will win not a good balance?
rigid tartan
i know erik. lol
paper fractal
If a Tyrannosaurus takes down a trike via ambush I have nothing to complain about
But if it can take a Triceratops head on and has the upper hand? Kinda questionable
rigid tartan
herbie enthusiasts are acting like 1 rex can walk up to a herd of trikes and clear them out. its mental
cyan flame
Well yes, everything takes a risk playing solo, but I'm not sure that means "Dead if x sees me" though
blazing yacht
I see that too slayer
rigid tartan
carnivores will innately have an advantage over their herbivore counterpart. thats the way the game rolls sorry.
rigid tartan
because theyr carnivores.. they NEED to kill other players
herbies do not
thus they do not need an advantage
paper fractal
So they don't need to defend themselves?
cyan flame
And no, even two trikes will get a rex, even if it kills one of them. I'd not go near more than one trike at a time with my rex. And the carnivores have the advantage in the ambush/surprise, meaning a herbi has to be more aware, to either run away or defend?
rigid tartan
ofcourse they do. as i stated they can in packs
but if you're playing solo deal with dying
i agree erik
paper fractal
Still seems very unbalanced and odd that you have to rely on a friend to guarantee your survival as a Triceratops
rigid tartan
you're acting like a solo trike isnt the same as playing a solo rex... you realise solo rex's get attacked by other rex's aswell right?
paper fractal
I do realize that
rigid tartan
lmao what?
paper fractal
However that's not my point
rigid tartan
having to rely on friends to guarentee survival is an odd idea to you? ever herd of safety in numbers? ever wonder why some creatures herd in massive packs
cyan flame
Yeah but 1v1, a trike should be fine vs a rex, just as much as the other way around, depending on how they play. Just like I can and sometimes do kick the ass of other solo rexes that tries to take me on :p
bold relic
Trikes can actually facetank a rex
barren zephyr
Having a limit in a server would suck because players won’t even play and also that if you have a full grown dino you can’t log in because it is the boundary that is limiting gameplay
pure fossil
i see trikes face 1vs1 rex and even 1vs2 rex. Depends to the player
rigid tartan
(i only mean in a straight face tank, if the fight drags out and bleed gets to rex, he will lose@
bold relic
I have fought at least 5 rexes 1v1 and i won every fight
paper fractal
Eh
cyan flame
Yeah well not every rex is good or even understands how to be a rex
paper fractal
And I find it odd when it comes to Triceratops
cyan flame
I've killed other adult rexes with my adult giga, that shouldn't really happen either, but hey.. :p
rigid tartan
ok you MAY just be the best trike player ever and beat 10rex's at the same time.. my point is. MOST players lose to rex's on trike 1on1
bold relic
But could depend on alt turn my fav has alt turn disabled
cyan flame
Yeah, that matters alot Frech..
barren zephyr
Nah if the rex knows what it is doing it could kill three trikes or two trikes in the exact same time solo
blazing yacht
What is Alt turn?
bold relic
You can kill rexes as giga if you get the ambush
paper fractal
Turning in place @blazing yacht
blazing yacht
Gotcha
rigid tartan
@blazing yacht if u hold alt and wsad you can sort of pirouette on the spot
paper fractal
Its not like Trike can outrun rex either in game
bold relic
I am not a fan of alt turn
barren zephyr
Lmao that is why you kill rex it is because there is no alt turn
rigid tartan
why u think they can pack as 5 and rex only 3... because theyr ineherently weaker and need to have the numbers to win lol
pure fossil
True fact
rigid tartan
devs know this. why cant herbies understad it
paper fractal
Yeah, which shouldn't HAVE to be the case
rigid tartan
yes.. it does
pure fossil
like the RL savannah with lions
rigid tartan
for BALANCE
paper fractal
I can understand why
bold relic
Yeah thats why i dont like alt turn
pure fossil
and the other hervs
paper fractal
Yes for balance but you can't always guarantee having a herd member by your side. Not all herbivores have to be walking buffets
rigid tartan
theyr not..
like i said. playing solo is YOUR risk. its a risk no matter what dino you are playing
even rex'
paper fractal
But that is not what I am talking about, I am talking about combat 1on1 as rex and trike and how I find it very unbalanced
cyan flame
Yes but it's not the same risk in these cases, so I think the trike could use something. After all, I'm not buying that you should be able to facetank a trike, even as rex, that's not fine :p
pure fossil
any people risk his 6 hours rex only for kill a trike, knowing that he can die too xD
cyan flame
If that trike sees me coming, I should abort, not think "Let's go!"
rigid tartan
it NEEDS to be balanced in the rex's favor .. because the rex NEEDS to kil something to survive and the trike doesn't what dont you get
the rex HAS to perform pvp to live
the trike does not
so the trike is weaker slightly.
paper fractal
That makes no sense at all. Why does rex HAVE to kill trike specifically?
cyan flame
But it's not like trikes are the only thing to hunt. And it's not like a proper ambush wouldn't be 99% rex win
paper fractal
Trike HAS to defend itself as it can not run from a threat
lament thorn
the trike should have the upperhand unless ambushed
paper fractal
^
cyan flame
It's not "Rex must always win", but rather "Rex must ambush to win", not just walk up and be fine anyway
rigid tartan
if u think rex's are online right now specifically looking for trikes you obviously dont play rex.
no one looks at a trike and goes "yeah free meal"
paper fractal
Again, not what I am saying
rigid tartan
theyr not fun to play with
cyan flame
Eh, I think there's a fair few gigas and rexes that does look at a solo trike as "free meal" as it were
paper fractal
I am simply saying trike is at a great disadvantage when it shouldn't be
cyan flame
Same way a rex would look at a solo giga as free meal if I can just catch it
rigid tartan
and im saying, yes it should be. on its own. alone ofcourse it should be
lament thorn
luckily combat and collision should fix that
if a trike gores a rex in the chest its not gonna walk away
paper fractal
It shouldn't be
rigid tartan
dude rex is the only thing that can really kill trikes consistantly. every1 else just gets stomped down
paper fractal
Giga also has a fair chance I've noticed
cyan flame
I think actually gigas right now are better at it, if they know what they're doing
pure fossil
even in RL the nautral rpedator of trike was rex
rigid tartan
yeah if the trikes bad
paper fractal
But not the point atm
barren zephyr
I feel like the skilled players inexperienced should have bigger advantage in this game but it is really not because you just alt turn and spam bite you will be a invisible machine depending what dino
pure fossil
thas why rexes obliusly can kill trikes normally
barren zephyr
The problem with trike is that there is no locational damage so a rex/giga went head on they derserves to die
paper fractal
As I said, you can't guarantee having a friend with you as trike, but as rex you can guarantee having the upper hand in combat
rigid tartan
assuming you can catch what you're running after
pure fossil
asumming too dilos arent around
paper fractal
And Trike is definitely gonna get caught if its being chased by a rex
blazing yacht
In an ambush setting that would be true
pure fossil
cause they bite you and thats sucks for a rex
lament thorn
a rex can walk away from a fight with a trike
blazing yacht
The way it should be too
lament thorn
the trike cant do that with the rex
pure fossil
many factors to think
lament thorn
if the rex wants a fight its gonna happen
rigid tartan
which is why i said playing trike solo is a huge risk
they got bigger pack size for a reason
lament thorn
a herbivore should never need a herd to be viable
blazing yacht
I disagree
rigid tartan
this guy
blazing yacht
How about this...
Trikes should be able to reverse. This way they can back to back one another
lament thorn
no I mean they should not NEED a herd but they should 100% want one
rigid tartan
its comping rump
paper fractal
elephants are solitary when it comes to males @pure fossil
blazing yacht
That alone would change a Lot of dynamics
lament thorn
if any dinosaur needs others to survive its useless and unfair
paper fractal
^
blazing yacht
Will body collision be a thing too?
rigid tartan
it really wouldn't frech
pure fossil
and letss see, we know that RL trike walk always in herd. Born in herd, grow in herd
always
even males
cyan flame
Removing alt turn would fuck things over all around :p
rigid tartan
no alt turn is for garbagers
pure fossil
then, why the crying?
paper fractal
@pure fossil On the contrary
cyan flame
And yes, collision and locational damage is coming
paper fractal
We have little evidence of social behavior in Triceratops
cyan flame
But you're not always born into a herd or pack here
paper fractal
other ceratopsians such as centrosaurines we do have evidence for gregarious behavior
blazing yacht
Lol
rigid tartan
its a game wake up
lament thorn
unlike in real life you can easily be the only member of your species for a while
cyan flame
Look, if we're talking purely game. Nothing should require another, either of it's kind of other species, to be viable to survive if it plays smart.
paper fractal
You don't need science to see that its currently unbalanced lol
cyan flame
A solo trike is still plenty vunerable, it does not need to also be facetanked by a rex to be fine.
rigid tartan
ofcourse its unbalanced its unfinished. just saying that trikes will never be on parr with rex and complaining wont get u anywhere
cyan flame
Anything solo can be outnumbered, and thus have to consider having static defense, lacks protection while recovering, and so on. There's plenty of reason to want a friend no matter what you are, even dryos since more eyes means better chance to see the utahs and dilos and so on.
paper fractal
I'm not complaining? I simply made a suggestion for a temporary solution
rigid tartan
there will be no temporary solutions until the recode is done, pretty sure
paper fractal
I am definitely not a fan of it atm
blazing yacht
I would be more ok with rex leg break if trikes can form up and effectively defend. With collision and reverse coming I would take back my statement about rex leg break being OP
lost sun
fan of what?
pure fossil
true fact, trike need located damage too. Cause one horn in the chest kill everything
xD
blazing yacht
At that point it's player and group skill
cyan flame
The legbreak is fine, we just need it to be based on location
paper fractal
Is there any news on when I might expect a change on this?
cyan flame
And not "Hey, I nibbled your tailtip, now you have a broken leg" :p
Also go away with the RNG please
blazing yacht
If you don't like dieing after being 99% sub Rex to adult then you shouldn't play thisngame
cyan flame
It's stupid all around with rex vs rex and most other things too :p
rigid tartan
nah just make trike head have "thorns" effect frm other games, if you bite it in the head u take damage when biting. meaning it needs to be surrounded to be killed. would make trike fans quiet down and mean fighting them wouldn't just be a face tank, but if they added that they would need to lower pack size to same as other apex's
cyan flame
Well, locational should make it a very bad idea to hit from the front anyway, don't need an effect, you're literally putting your face right up to the horns, that's not going to end well :p
blazing yacht
Are selectable spawn points coming for fresh spawn and adult Dino's? Meaning anyone can select a location to spawn?
rigid tartan
honestly i think you all gonna be disapointed with location damage lmao
cyan flame
Maybe, we'll have to wait and see, but it should be able to work out pretty well if they get it right
rigid tartan
you guys realise a rex's head takes up most of the body of other dino's locational damage wont change how often u get a leg break i reckon xD
might help on the whole lag-bite, front tho
cyan flame
But a legbreak would depend on where you hit
cyan flame
If you hit the tail, it won't do anything
rigid tartan
i know erik.. but if your bite is hitting 70% of the dino
cyan flame
Well yes
rigid tartan
you gonna be getting them breaks.
cyan flame
But I'm thinking more bigger critters, and a "failed" ambush and such
rigid tartan
even giga/trike, rex head takes up a huge portion of their middle section
and most people bite down anyway
like camera facing down i mean
cyan flame
Well, it would depend on how they do it I guess, I'm not sure how it would work, but hopefully it'll make some difference, at least in the more.. questionable cases, like tailbites
rigid tartan
i think locational damage will be a big win for utah's and smaller dino's but on the bigger dino's u wont see it matter much
pure fossil
well, you know, a broken head is worst than broken leg
if rex bite the head, what happens?
instalkill?
xD
rigid tartan
haha
cyan flame
Maybe, if you bite down on someones neck..
Would give you a reason to be well aware of your surroundings if nothing else.. :p
fathom harness
The issue with Rex VS Triceratops is that no matter how good either one is, if the Rex gets bone break without its first 3 or so bites, the Triceratops will die because now the Rex can actually RIDE them and can ya know face tank them, kill them, take the bleed, and lay down and heal it like everything is fine for the Rex whilst the Triceratops barely ever stood a chance.
cyan flame
Would be interesting Covenant, but I'd guess they'll have something to mitigate, though I hope aiming for the neck/vital areas would be useful
steady cradle
rexes can face tank a trike, no need to do anything at all tbh
fathom harness
So, it ends up making 1 v 1 as Rex and Triceratops pretty 1 sided. All the Trike can hope for it bleed to force the Rex to give up or kill it using bleed, or if it manages to not get bone break then get in some stomps.
True Spicy XD
fathom harness
Which is frustrating for those who main Triceratops when our number 1 threat is a Rex and they are everywhere.
rigid tartan
yeah but who plays apex's solo anyway, cmon sad acts 😄
paper fractal
I definitely main triceratops lol
rigid tartan
get some friends my dude 
paper fractal
I did
fathom harness
I have friends.
paper fractal
Most of the time they die
fathom harness
I had a herd of 3 adult Triceratops and we got wrecked by pair of Rexes.
steady cradle
everyone has PTSD when 80% of the population is a damn Rex
pure fossil
i see more dilos than rexes
fathom harness
Their juvie ate my hatchlings while I was standing their trying to fend of the Adults.
pure fossil
😮
cyan flame
Hey, I mostly solo on my rex Slayer!
steady cradle
dilos are just rex pesticides
fathom harness
Rexes are significantly more deadly than Dilo to Triceratops. I'm actually playing Dilo right now to hunt Rexes.
pure fossil
LOL
rigid tartan
haha yeah and you even said you hate walking around solo erik!
steady cradle
you just spray like 60 dilos in an area and watch the world burn
rigid tartan
dilo's that try to hunt rex's genuinely make me laugh
steady cradle
why?
rigid tartan
its just the best time
fathom harness
@pure fossil That might have been me with some temp pack mates.
steady cradle
it works
pure fossil
YES
rigid tartan
yeah against new rex's maybe lmao
rigid tartan
otherwise its free food
steady cradle
I've seen 2 Utah's kill 2 rexes before
rigid tartan
again.. new rex's
steady cradle
I will never forget that
steady cradle
they weren't new trust me I knew those rexes
cyan flame
Yes, because I'm aware of how dangerous it is to be on my own Slayer, thats why I don't wander around on my own, but stay in a territory :p
fathom harness
If you get one to BB the other it works out
rigid tartan
by new i mean new to the game not newadult
cyan flame
I never said it's fun to be solo, only that I spend most of my time so, since I can't find people to play with all that often, much less people on the side of the map I am on :p
rigid tartan
if they werent new spice and die to dilo's utahs. they should uninstall
or never play rex again
pure fossil
Me Erik
i i am with other fem rex
raising litteones
xD
Utha takes 100++ bites to kill rex
rigid tartan
^
rigid tartan
you could let a raptor keep hitting you. and safelog before they got anywhere near killing you
lol
pure fossil
yes
xD
the only thing Utha can do is troll rexes with 1 call, bite and starving him
or silimar
cause in heal/damage....
Utha dies before rex says "Ouch"
pure fossil
LOL
elder sky
@marsh stag I wouldn't post that in feedback. But, I know. And it was Rex animations. What I'm saying is show us more NEW content. Some more of the map, more body dragging things, etc.
marsh stag
Oh ok
Well im not gonna discuss further since i dont have time and since i also wanna see that lol. I am gonna say tho that the devs are working hard on the game, and i think they are holding back on the leaks, cus people gets their expectations too high. Might be wrong tho.
@elder sky
elder sky
Either way, it's just sad to watch peoppe leave the game all together because they are bored. That's all I'm saying.
marsh stag
Yea it is
rigid tartan
being "too busy" for your community is never a good sign. theyr holding back because i bet theyr planning to do a re-launch or something. but lets hope its not too little too late.
marsh stag
Dont think they are too busy. But again I dont know why they are holding back on leaks
Tbf i think they are doing a stream with the new spino so thats cool
umbral prairie
I also don't quite understand why they are so non-transparent (if that term exists), I don't expect them to give me an ETA and show everything that cones with the recode or sth, but just some small leaks and maybe a 'we roughly have this amount of code done'. they can also clarify that we shouldn't calculate a release date using the time it took to have that much code done
because something can still go wrong
but it would still help if they just gave out tiny leaks and keep us up to date a bit more
bronze granite
lmao i literally talked about that with a friend rn
barren zephyr
@rigid tartan You. never touch herbi discussion
ever again
you are gonna fill it up with your carni bias
Just dont be biased when discussing
lilac swallow
"Muh herbi should need group"
"muh trike as herbi need group"
Being way slower than rex, having not much more stam, and having a bad trot, trike literally needs to have advantage
umbral prairie
lol trike should destroy every non-sauropod/non-hyper if attacked from the front imo
just look at that face
lilac swallow
And look at that speed too
jolly willow
Trike needs a gore damage buff atm but that won't happen
umbral prairie
I hope locational and collision will help with that
jolly willow
Best bet is locational damage helping it out
lilac swallow
And colision too
barren zephyr
trike should not be easily assrideble
umbral prairie
a rex successfully ambushing a trike should win very easily
jolly willow
trike rn is a free meal for both giga or rex lol
umbral prairie
if it gets that neck
lilac swallow
Not that free for giga but still easy
jolly willow
ez meal
barren zephyr
all a braindead rex has to do to win any trike v rex matchups it to basically run though the trike, bonebreak it and alt turn assride it
jolly willow
basically
lilac swallow
Bb, run throught trikes body alt trun and start bitting butt
I played Rex once and know that, what is so hard to understand
rigid tartan
@Zer0#7568 calm down princess
paper fractal
Well I am glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way
lilac swallow
Trike needing help is almost a mainstream opinion on this game
rigid tartan
i dont think any1 is disputing trike needing "help"
lilac swallow
Okay i didnt use the exact correct term excuse for not being perfect
prisma lily
@barren zephyr that’s how the hypers work already. they are accessible only by the devs and streamers can sometimes be injected as hypers to run around on servers.
lilac swallow
@languid ravine just why?
languid ravine
since it doesnt make sense for trikes to kill ALL other herbivores
lilac swallow
Less sense It makes to It be carnivore
languid ravine
in this case the trikes gain something from it
jovial moss
Are you suggesting to make trikes carnivorous?
paper oriole
i mean it wouldnt be too unrealistic if they could gobble up an occasional utah juvie or smthn lol
lilac swallow
An ocasional utah
languid ravine
i know but why are trikes banished from herds?
paper oriole
omnis wouldnt really work proper until affinity can come to control their diet
languid ravine
why not allow 1-2 trikes to join a herd?
paper oriole
galli would make a good omni, trike would be like a deer just being an opportunist when it comes to preying on tiny juvies it finds
blazing charm
@steep zealot That's just an issue with timezones, there's really not much you can do about that.
jovial moss
Make pachy a carnivore it has serrated teeth might as well tear the flesh off utahs
steep zealot
yeah Its a tough one
blazing charm
Also this thing about Trike being an Omnivore is just, no. Please god no.
paper oriole
lilac swallow
If they had to watch for other time zones to avoid pinging when someone is asleep they simply couldnt ping at all
torpid wedge
keen trail
Why would anyone suggest for trikes to be a carnivore what is that supposed to mean
Why would you want trike to eat meat
umbral prairie
idk
makes no sense to me
what I would find ok is trikes chewing on some bones occasionally or maybe even eating from gores(not fresh corpses so they don't actively hunt), it has a strong beak to do that with and it is a pretty common thing for present day herbivores, but even then I don't really see why they would add that
paper oriole
preying on some puny ass juvie like utah on occasion would make sense for it but not like
killin an allo and munching on that lmao
galli too, it'd be cool if they could steal eggs from the nests of other species to eat or munch on bugs and small juvs, but definitely not as a main part of their diet
paper fractal
Its not unlikely that Triceratops would've eaten meat now and then
However I would not implement it in game
pseudo falcon
@tender latch regardless of people's opinions on your suggestion, the devs have already mentioned the possibility of a similar mechanic being added to the game.
frankly, I think it's a cool idea, and given a bit more depth, could definitely add to the herbivore experience.
jovial moss
add fruits that herbs can monch on as a rare treat that gives them a bunch of water too
paper oriole
when we have affinity based diets an occasional crunchy juvie might be viable for certain current herbs but def not now lol
varied diets aside from different bushes would be nice
pseudo falcon
exactly.
the beauty of a suggestion is it's simplicity. Unless a certain timeline is stated, it should be assumed to be a general statement and not necessarily well thought out with the current game version.
paper oriole
Wolves in isle 
jovial saddle
“Dilos not op enough”
paper oriole
heart reacting their own suggestion
jovial saddle
minor basalt
tisso dilo tho 
grave karma
tisso dilo spit sulfuric acid
pseudo falcon
@keen trail None of the survival ready dinos have a similar issue anymore, so it really boils down to herrara being outdated. Your suggestion may as well be, "add herrara to survival", as it's the only way the theropod would ever receive any of the attention you're suggesting it should get.
keen trail
ok
That why I said “if you have the time” because it’s a small feature and it’s not really that important just kind of annoying
fast flume
manic ibex
that's nice. I hope that this is going to stay that way on the map release
copper hull
@tulip mason sorry if you've been told this, but the reason dev logs have been so space is due to the recode. They're doing their best and regular updates will continue after the recode. Be sure to check out streams by dondi and r_raptor, that's where they do the cool stuff.
marsh stag
@autumn solar there is a pretty good reason for not releasing updates atm.
They are making a recode which takes alot of time
when thats finished they should be making updates more frequently
autumn solar
I know about the recode. I was talking about the length of time the game has been out vs where the projected full game intends to be.
indigo sun
Hmmm maybe that would have something to do with the reason for the recode? Cause they literally cant implement anything with the shit we've got now. It won't work properly. Now that they've got Looter and Foszor instead of Deathly, the game will have proper code and be able to actually update the game with new mechanics like they've been wanting to
Think about it like a house. You may want to add more rooms on but if your foundation's fucked to shit, all you can do is want. Once you have a nice, sturdy foundation, you can add on all the rooms you want.
marsh stag
@autumn solar hmmm I mean it is a small team of devs (as far as a i know) so that might have something to say about it.
lapis ember
So why can’t a stat system work in the Isle?
lapis ember
@desert pulsar they are adding that to the recode not allowing people to run through each other but will collide
pseudo falcon
@lapis ember your suggestion seems very likely to be implemented. Currently there already exists an "egg" option next to where you choose what dino you're spawning in as.
lapis ember
Ooh 😮 that’s right I think I remember seeing that
pseudo falcon
Yeah, it's unfortunately greyed out currently.
blazing charm
Being an egg is incredibly boring.
pseudo falcon
Lol
jovial moss
wrong you get to roll around like sonic the hedgehog
lapis ember
Well I’m not suggesting something like BOB where you sit for half n hour to hatch
jovial moss
ew is that how BoB works?
lapis ember
Yes xD
jovial moss
yikes
lapis ember
You hatch like you already do as a hatchling
There changed it to Hatchling instead of egg xD
blazing charm
Okaaay, then what exactly would change from how it is currently?
jovial moss
you get to spawn in the nest
blazing charm
You already start off as a hatchling when you accept a nest invite.
indigo sun
I think the being able to chose male/female and using parents colors instead of ugly ass rando skins are the best parts of that suggestion
I also like the idea of being able to start out as a hatchling instead of suffering through juvi trying to get an egg to be nested
jovial moss
you don't have to spawn in as a juvie utah and go ANY TRIKE EGGS ? ?? /
lament thorn
guessing this gives nesting people the option to open their eggs to the public to allow people to just select them and spawn in
indigo sun
Yes there should be a public/private option with default private for nests
blazing charm
OH, so you mean a way to just automatically check for any available nests?
lapis ember
Yes
blazing charm
Oh okay, that would actually be interesting.
Though my only concern would be people purposefully accepting nest invites for the sole purpose of taking up a slot and killing themselves. Since to my knowledge having your hatchling die will affect the parent's affinity.
I THINK, anyway.
mental sleet
Jaffad
if that happened then so would they.
Ah shit but that would be a cycle of abusable.
blazing charm
Someone with the intention of griefing isn't going to care.
So, you could have it so that players with negative affintiy cannot be nested.
lapis ember
Hm but how could the system know the players are suiciding themselves and not just dying by other players?
vestal rune
the only way to really suicide is through water or falling
that could probably hurt your affinity
mental sleet
Run into a ''friend''
to die.
parents lose affinity and you can't lose any because ''you got hunted''
the system won't be able to know whether or not its suicide or just killed.
pseudo falcon
@blazing charm Honestly that would make nesting so much nicer. You choose what species of dino you want to join, select from the players nesting those eggs in, player accepts your inquiry, choose your colours, BOOM, nesting is useful.
If the player intentionally kills themselves and or griefs, they just decline and or block their next inquiry
It would also be a great way to outright remove the current nest invite systeme
blazing charm
I kind of like the offspring being similar colors to the parents, so at the very least your skin colors/patterns should be somewhat limited to match the parent.
pseudo falcon
Sure, I can see that.
indigo sun
I'd like to at least choose where my parents colors go, with maybe a few random colors thrown into the palette for variation
pseudo falcon
T'would also be nice.
jovial moss
just a similar colour map to the parents, so like if your father is reddish brown and your mother is dark brown, you don't get green or blue colour options, you get a variety of browns to choose instead
pseudo falcon
Ideally I think when you select to spawn via a nest, you should be brought to a screen where you can see where the nests are located. Obviously that's potentially abusable, but I feel like alongside a similar nesting systeme it would be nice to have a reputation systeme.
Also it would feel like a work around to force players to choose a nest and actually be nested in before they can go back to the select screen and choose between herbivore and carnivore. Just the idea of being able to select a nest near a friend who's already fully grown on a server sounds really convenient, given they're a male and can't nest you in themselves
vestal rune
hatchlings should realistically always be by parents or by the nest
you could probably do something with that
also how coordinated would you have to fucking be to find a way to a nearby friend from some random spot on the map?
pseudo falcon
@ebon lion if you're interested in knowing all the things that have been talked about by devs (caves included) check out #550050411470651417. You'll find the answer to "idk if this has been suggested already or not" there 90% of the time.
@vestal rune simply by knowing the map and knowing what nesting locations are nearest to that.
tulip mason
Am I really the only one who feels voice chat needs to be a thing?
It's slowly becoming the standard in most modern day games
and it makes sense for a game like this
native nebula
the vocal system is there for a reason.
teal grotto
Yes i get that Buuuut People at times dont like how the Rawrs can be heard like 50 to like 100 meters away
native nebula
people just need to use their noggin. talk when it's safe, don't broadcast if you don't have to. don't decide to stand and yell at the sky in the middle of a fight.
also, the distance ranges will be getting looked at for the next update. generic calls generated through the chat system won't be travelling far.
ebon lion
i hope theres something that implements a need to use the calls in game; 90% of the time people discord call to communicate while playing which makes the official servers dead silent in most locations
native nebula
there's been some pretty neat ideas been put forth from different players about that, it would be nice if they were a little less cosmetic.
ebon lion
agreed!!
bold relic
@umbral tartan but it should not rape your ears as some users may have sensible ears, turning down volume could be an issue as the other sound may be too silent
bold relic
it is
a couple days ago a lightning bolt struck like 30m away from me and that was damn loud
tulip mason
Like I understand that we shouldn't be voice chatting with other species, but I don't get why we can't voice chat with our species when we can already text them.
And as others said, they rather just go on discord and avoid it altogether, in fact, people PM in discord to even avoid text chatting because dinos make a sound when you type
I honestly am annoyed by PMing in discord, so I sometimes put myself at risk texting in-game. If you allowed us to voice chat in-game, I would also be more likely to do that as well. So really it would benefit the game.
And of course... if you voice chat in game, your dino should still make broadcasting sounds, just like it does with text. I donno just seems like it'd fit perfectly in the game and it would even encourage interaction with others, outside of discord. Honestly 99% of my interaction with the same species is within discord, not in-game.
Also imagine voice chat for close range, to far range, and having different sound types for both.
it'd be far better than just bashing 1 to annoy people, or 4 for danger and help. Most don't use other broadcasts. In fact, barely any people use 4 to broadcast for help or danger, they tend to type it instead.
I mean they're fun to use for certain situations, but they're mostly not used to begin with. So by adding voice chat, it wouldn't change anything.
umbral tartan
@bold relic Im talking about thunder, not lightning bolts. Lightning bolts are much louder and are what thunder should be
tulip mason
Think there is a difference between a game and real life. I personally don't want a thunder making me deaf because I'm wearing a headset
indigo sun
Maybe not deafening but soft rumble isnt really thunder noises
south flower
@stuck chasm I don't think the devs are working for a ice age/dinosaur combination for gameplay. Humans are going to be in the game because they're part of the lore, not just for the heck of it, considering that the reason the dinosaurs exist in the world of The Isle is because of the humans if I remember correctly. There's been mods of wolves in the game once, but otherwise, I wouldn't count on them adding playable mammalians.
The world of the game is supposed to take place in a current timeline, not in prehistoric times.
(not that you'd see smilodons and dire wolves in the same timeline as the dinosaurs if they followed that route anyway)
tulip mason
I don't get the point of a fast growing dino, after you grow up... it's boring and you got no progression going for you
indigo sun
You get to harass apexes with it and not worry about losing 2-7 hours of growth
tulip mason
We need to have some progression, where dinos die after being alive so long and then unlocking beneficial genes or something
would make fast growing animals like that more meaningful
but honestly i think playing a dino just to troll is not really my playstyle, might be fun maybe with a group, but otherwise it's boring
viral creek
Group hunting big game as the small dudes is a ton of fun
wintry cipher
Trolled a dilo as a dryo flock for a while and beat it into submission xD was fun for everyone tbh. Tried chasing me, kept calling and darting around, and eventually he decided it wasn't worth it.
bold relic
isnt that the exact thing i suggested?
indigo sun
pretty much yeah
umbral prairie
except with the same buffs for all dinos which would be OP for some and useless for others
imagine a rex running for a minute
or a giga with the agility one
vestal rune
I don't think people understand the ramifications of their suggestions on the game lol
perks are a possible edition(they planned it in the past, idk if the devs are planning it now), but they'll be something that is there from the beginning(going from what dondi said about them anyway)
pseudo falcon
Affinity
vestal rune
what about it?
indigo sun
they want an endgame but adding on so heavily to normal stats (like 30 more seconds of stamina) i think isn't really the way to do it. it'd unbalance a lot of stuff
vestal rune
I personally like the idea of the supertask age(in suggestions)
with changing growth so that dinos are viable before reaching full adult, you can always have an endgame of growing(ofc this wears out at some point where the 0.0001 size increase is negligible)
bold relic
I mean a rex with 0.5 kmh more wont be gamebreaking and if so it could have less stamina eg
lapis ember
I already made a suggestion similar that when every dino gets to an adult that you earn some extra stats that you can pass on to your offspring or maybe even add it to the same dino. Like you get a bank of stats you can add to your new dino?
vestal rune
tbh doesn't change the fact it's a bad idea
vestal rune
@gaunt needle fairly sure it does already
gaunt needle
Its been a while since I last actually took hunger damage, I'll look at it when I play the isle later
vestal rune
@uncut epoch they do?
indigo sun
bushes run out all the time, and it's the main reason for herbivore migration
uncut epoch
I'v started playing this again fairly recently
So I guess thats why I'v never seen it
vestal rune
the isle has always had depreciation herb food
uncut epoch
How easily do they run out?
vestal rune
depends on the bush size
try eating a small bush as a semi hungry trike and you'll see
they lose their leaves and you can't eat from them
vestal rune
do you never sit by a bush long enough to finish it?
uncut epoch
Erm no
I just eat and move on
I'll need to test it I guess
because it just seems too easy
gaunt needle
I usually play as carnivore, but I'm unusually lucky and always manage to find something to eat
indigo sun
I think that's more how ai spawns than luck
indigo sun
That'll be changing though and i cant wait
uncut epoch
I think the adaptation of game theory should be heavily implemented. Where if there are a ton of carnivores then you should play as a herbivore, and vise versa.
While cannibalization is very much a real thing, it can cause just enough issues to balance it out.
vestal rune
I think our solution to having more herbis is to make herbi gameplay more fun
also proper Ai
fathom harness
Also have MORE herbivore bushes in general, and make them more spread out
It's so hard to keep up a large group of herbivores because the bushes get to scarce and they are only plentiful in like, 4 different places on the map
vestal rune
from my experience there's too many bushes
dreamy wharf
^
I've once been apart of a 20 man para herd before the new packing rules were put into effect. My hunger never dropped below 50.
pulsar lake
Oh and my suggestion is not after played utah and be killed by a galli no, it was after played galli.
I never ask for a nerf/buff suggestion except if I've tested the dinosaur.
paper oriole
the suggestion basically still is "make gallimimus easier prey for utah"
stuck chasm
if humans brought dinos into the map how is it less real for them to bring sabers and dires 
paper oriole
they would stand out like a sore thumb tho
maybe on a diff island im sure modders could do it
stuck chasm
Well maybe they stay with humans idk i still think it would be neat ^u^
paper oriole
on a tundra map theyd work but not even counting seeing a mammoth alongside like a dino looking weird itd be weird to see them running around in the swamps and stuff we have
mammoths and sabertooths and others that is
and wolves
theyd just seem weird in the setting
stuck chasm
Hmmm that does make a good point. But I doubt that will come for a long time since they have a lot working on rn
I do want the yutyrannus tho lol
indigo sun
according to the rules of that channel you need more than "add this thing just cause"
stuck chasm
I had more than just cause
we are discussing that rn tho
Yutyrannus is a dino that is fluffy and awesome
there.
paper oriole
what would yutyrannus have to set itself apart from allo or cerato's niche
indigo sun
that's not really a reason unfortunately
paper oriole
its cute yeah
stuck chasm
Its a perfect reason
paper oriole
but what niche does it fill
proud coral
It has to have a proper niche to be added. It can't be too similar to existing creatures.
stuck chasm
Because trex, allo, cerato are all VERY different.
There are slight changes that would be made
viral creek
@stuck chasm I'd be more specific with your suggestion. What would justify yuty being in the game other than it's fluffy? How would it differ from allosaurus other than having feathers?
paper oriole
so basically just pseudo apex allo
proud coral
It would still need something to make it unique. Having slightly different stats would just make it a better/worse allo, rex, etc
viral creek
In order for the developers to consider adding a new animal, it needs it's own niche
barren zephyr
yutyrannus is basically feathered
viral creek
Appearance isn't a justification
indigo sun
you really do need more than "it's fluffy it'd be slightly different than these things"
paper oriole
we already have rex and albert who is small rex
viral creek
I mean don't get me wrong. Yuty is a cool dude, but there's nothing really to justify his existence other than appearence.
paper oriole
and allo who fills the same niche as yut
wintry cipher
-rex's niche is being the apex ambush anti-armor crushing powerhouse and brawler.
-allosaurus is the endurance pack hunter
-utahraptor will hunt in larger packs with pounce and strong teamwork
-cerato is speculated to be a highly cannibalistic honey badger scavenger that can eat rotting food and bones.
- dilo will be the night hunter and have venom
- carno will be the speed demon and ram prey
- sucho will be the river semi-aquatic hunter
-deino will be the lake based ambush predator that doesnt stop growing - spino will be the ocean apex predator
- giga will be the sauropod raid boss hunter
^ these are all examples of niches the current predators fill
or will fill
stuck chasm
#1 I dont see the rules
#2 No i dont. If the mods have an issue with it then they can ignore it, delete it or tell me themselves
#3 Pretty sure if there is research done since they ARE different dinos they could figure something out - all of the apexs have very small differences
viral creek
The apexes have some pretty different abilities in mind
paper oriole
giga is an endurance bleeder, rex is an ambusher, spino is a fisher tank
they arent the same
indigo sun
"Overpowered07/01/2019
For everyone posting suggestions, from now on suggestions containing 'nerf/buff x, or please add X dino' are not permissive as they add nothing of value for the development team."
paper oriole
yut would be a fuzzy allo
indigo sun
oh sorry i'm missing a sentence from that thing hold on
and the rules stating this are in the pinned messages
viral creek
Giga being able to flesh graze. I had an idea of giga lowering bleed res over time.
Rex can break bones, and is the ultimate carnivore brawler.
Spino can use his arms in attack, and swim fast in water. He is also considered an "ocean hunter"
(This is all for the future)
indigo sun
"If you post please add this dino, explain why the animal should be added and what mechanics it could have to set it apart from animals already in-game to make it unique so we don't have clone dinosaurs all over." so basically you need a mechanic
paper oriole
pretty sure it costs like 3k plus to make the models for the dinos, consider this
wintry cipher
Smol BeanToday at 7:15 PM
yutyrannus ! fluffeh dino for the win
...what mechanics if i may ask?
stuck chasm
I dont need five of ya on my ass for wanting a dinp
viral creek
If you have mechanics in mind, I'd add it to your suggestion
proud coral
It's actually 7k IIRC
stuck chasm
You
paper oriole
why spend that much to make something that fits the same niche as another playable
indigo sun
it's about 7k for each thing
paper oriole
could ask them right now ay
viral creek
I know, but be careful. You could get a strike for doing the same thing over and over again
paper oriole
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feral wedge
Yes?
paper oriole
is that "add yutyrannus" suggestion in line with the rules
torn thistle
Sorry bean, but you have to go into detail as to why a dinosaur should be added, what it could bring gameplay-wise that's different from dinos currently in Survival.
stuck chasm
Oh is attacking another user and righting them on what theyre doing in the rules
i just said it would be neat
Im not expecting anything
And i just started playing a bit
so why dont all of you minus mods
back off
manic ibex
keep playing then
viral creek
Nobody's attacking you. Just don't do it again because you could get a strike.
stuck chasm
then t he mods will strike me
wintry cipher
welcome to the isle community Bean
indigo sun
i was asking for a legit reason it's a cool creature i'd like some sort of idea for it
paper oriole
we werent attacking you we were saying you needed a reason beyong "fuzzy"
manic ibex
😢
indigo sun
no one attacked you from what i could tell
paper oriole
there's lots of dinos i want in the game too that already have their niches filled
feral wedge
Bhal must have nicked it before I could see. But there needs to be details to suggestions.
“Add X”
“Buff X”
“Nerf X”
These are unacceptable.
stuck chasm
I can go add to it later once I notice difference between dinos, so far honestly its small differences between all of them.
But regardless if mods have an issue they tell me not all of you.
feral wedge
Discuss does not mean squabble.
viral creek
All of the dinosaurs don't have their differing mechanics yet, which is why a lot feel the same
But mechanics are planned
stuck chasm
Well then I will add to it later. And thanks Gar I didnt see it in the rules before Ill try to come up with something. I think itd be cool ^^
feral wedge
Yeah. Just keep in mind the investment that would have to be made.
paper oriole
im sure all of us would love to see new niche ideas discussed too
stuck chasm
Thats true unfortunately it does cost. Well thank you again Gar.
paper oriole
i am so glad i googled Inostrancevia because this absolute unit came up in related searches and made my night