aye, taking away scent is the most readily available counterweight, its just a bit sad lol
#general-feedback-discussion
brittle bough
valid zephyr
not sure how captions are that exploitable
elfin oyster
That would still be abused af Strike
Also Jenkens, the amount of times I dont pay attention to sound is astounding
valid zephyr
is you se bwrbrbrbrbrbbrb come up you still need to work out what makes that sound
elfin oyster
If I saw captions flare up I would never get ambushed
brittle bough
and they are exploitable because you dont have to pay attention to sounds, you just have to wait for captions to ever come up
elfin oyster
If you have ANY visual indicator you will ALWAYS know someone is around, but if you only rely on sound, you might not always know before its too late
brittle bough
maybe only have them come up if youre looking in the direction of the source?
lament thorn
As someone with terrible hearing and focusing skills I'd jump on captions and prompts
indigo sun
Well an ambush would have considerably less obvious waves, like how the noise is there but not as obvious
elfin oyster
Its way easier to detect any movements on the screen, then pay close attention to sound
Humans are basically designed that way, eyes are simply way better then ears
indigo sun
You could see it, but you have to be watching very intently to do so, like how you could hear it, but you need to be listening very intently to do so
elfin oyster
Lemme tell you I would immiedetly detect a small movement indicator
brittle bough
its still much easier to notice visual changes than auditory ones, alas
elfin oyster
Bet most people would, its really easy to see these things
indigo sun
Yeah it is easier to detect, but does that mean that people with poor or no hearing should be unable to play the game because someone else would use indicators to their advantage?
elfin oyster
Its just that Im very against making a game like this easier.
brittle bough
i think captions are viable if they only show up at the bottom if youre looking in the direction of the source, possibly being more transparent/opaque to indicate proximity/volume
it would give us the gift of seeing onomatopeia for all the calls, too
also, crouching probably shouldnt give any captions
elfin oyster
Most people look around a lot anyway, so they would still see the captions
I always dart my head back and forth when I travel
Also Strike, it doesnt make then UNABLE to play, it makes them more dependent on vision
brittle bough
hum. going back to trading out sniffing, maybe it could be replaced by a listening mechanic, and only for the same duration of the sniff the captions appear?
captions or directional indicators, either-or
elfin oyster
Could be a good counter
Would certainly stop people from choosing it just because it gets easier. And those who are impaired gets to choose what they believe is more important
indigo sun
Someone not-hearing impaired using the thing meant for hearing impaired people should not make it an invalid way of making the game more available for hearing impared people
There is so much to do with noise on this game, not everything is sight based. You need to be able to listen and if you can't do that, youre kinda screwed a bit. I cant look around and immediately see ai, i need to listen for it. If a juvi cant hear any ai, then how is it meant to find it? It would starve unless it got lucky and the ai spawned in a clearing
brittle bough
tbf ai will work differently, suggestions are meant to be considered in a post-recode environment generally
elfin oyster
But you shouldnt make the game easier for the entire community just because of a small minorities needs
If you did that it would be insanely easy, if you did it for everyone who needed it
brittle bough
but yeah, as unfortunate as it is since theres no way to truly know who needs the features, the features still have to have drawbacks to balance them
elfin oyster
If we knew the amount of actually hearing impaired we could do something like this, but it could just be 50-100 people, we dont know. And if its for a VERY small minority, whats the point? You should only impact the rest of the community if that minority is pretty big, like a 10% chunk or something
I sure as hell wouldnt want my game being easier for the sake of a few people. I believe the only options are leave it as it is, or do help them but also have a counterbalance such as the removal of sense of smell
Otherwise when will it stop? Will we help everybody, and thereby make the game childsplay?
indigo sun
@pulsar lake why are you putting things we know are coming in suggestions, like affinity, water rework, and body carrying?
I'm just not sure I understand putting these things in suggestions for future implementation if theyre already coming
pulsar lake
For make a rappel
indigo sun
Rappel?
paper oriole
seems pretty pointless lol
lethal shell
sorry kinda new to this discord, but is there any talk about increasing the Dilos crouch or walk speed?
indigo sun
Wrong channel, and I haven't heard anything about it.
plain orbit
release date ?
indigo sun
Read the rules, especially rule 9 @plain orbit
crimson phoenix
On the topic of a hearing mechanic, I came up with an idea as to how it could be used by the hearing impaired without being just as strong as a subtitle saying "Heavy carnivore footsteps." Listening could have a similar visual indicator as sniff does for direction (in game compass). it could be some red waves on the sides of the screen that expand and contract depending on the volume in that direction. Really though I don't know if this would be useful even to people who cant hear, because it would take a lot of effort to tell the difference between a taco 2 calling in the woods and an Allo f calling to his buddies
crimson phoenix
fluff, im responding to teh peeps who were talkin here
barren zephyr
hello why not do a PS4 version? a lot of player would be happy,
the ps4 is powerful enough to support it with average quality
blazing charm
@barren zephyr Porting a game to another platform is alot of work, especially considering that the Isle's developmenet team is rather small. (No offense)
Not to mention the game is still heavy in development, if a console port of any kind is ever considered it needs to be after the PC release is finished.
barren zephyr
It is also not recommended to port an unfinished early access game from Steam to console.
barren zephyr
okay I understand, he could possibly have a console output once the game ended
night mountain
See theoretically that growth idea is good but it’d be awful right now with how ai works
azure arch
They want a feathered galli
What do you guys think of my sound suggestion for those with impaired hearing?
ocean vortex
I doubt that many players are hearing impaired tbh
night mountain
Has any of the hearing impaired suggestions been from people who actually need it? I've only seen it posed as a hypothetical
brittle bough
we shouldnt offer accessibility for minorities because they are minorities, obviously
and the original hearing impaired suggestion was by someone who was hearing impaired lol
night mountain
Oh ok fair. Either way I’m cool with something like this
keen trail
My main thought on the hearing impaired suggestions is that a lot of not hearing impaired people will use it for an advantage to know exactly where sounds are coming from, or they could use it to hear stuff they usually wouldn’t hear, like a hungry rex stomping a few feet away that you’d usually just barely be able to hear if you were paying attention, but the hungry carnis have to be extra cautious after this because if they get just a little to close, their hunt could be foiled.
elfin oyster
Any sort of visual clue would ruin the game for any predator. Lets not ruin the game just because 50 people or less need it.
If you wanna help minorities, do colour blind people, because that doesnt effect gameplay in a negative way
barren zephyr
Still think the smell should be better for certain dinos as they would have had better senses then other dinos
bold relic
Rex had a really good sense of smell and vision
barren zephyr
^^
barren zephyr
About bigger AI like what AI para?
paper oriole
Larger and defensive AI is already planned, like acro and brachio. AI that will br harder to take down
barren zephyr
no ai survival creatures
paper oriole
And not spawn in your mouth like the current avas
night mountain
brachis fine since its big enough it can kick anythings ass
barren zephyr
Yeah that sounds terrible if they don't fight back at least
night mountain
make ai theris with velos behavior
paper oriole
Brachi should step on tard afk rexes lol
Yes make packs of 3 aggro theri
With cera turn radius
bold relic
And speed of herra
night mountain
Seriously why is pachys whole bleed situation so bad? I don't get why they made it like that
grand brook
two words: rushed dino
when it first came to survival it was a hot mess, slow, loud breathing, took 2 hours to fill it's water, long growth, horrible bleed, mediocre damage...
blazing charm
I still do not understand the obsession with "accuracy", it's a video game.
formal vine
^
blazing charm
The amount of work that would need to go in to change the Stegosaurus model to look more "a c c u r a t e" is such a waste. It's already modeled, animated and skinned.
unique island
personally the stego looks fine, way better then what it used to be lol
grand brook
it looks fine to me, maybe the neck is shorter and it has less plates but the feet are fine and so is the model in general
bold relic
Many people play this game because they want to play 'a dinosaur life' so they want a high level of accuracy, but rn i think as far as i have seen it the stego model is fine
unique island
then they aren in the wrong game. Isle isnt highly realistic, its a monster dino game. Either way, as I said before the stego is fine, its far more "realistic" then its older models. The Box shaped stego... now that was all types of wrong xD
cyan flame
The current stego is realistic, the new stego is less so, more along the older "box" stego as it were. I'd prefer the more accurate version, it looks better to me than the stego we're getting, but it'll have to do :p
bold relic
It cant be highly realistic with the current dev team (no offense its just too smol)
grand brook
I get that honestly, but the game is basically the JP franchise 2.0, meaning dinos are not going to look a 100% accurate. If anything I'm actually surprised they compromise with most dinos between with a mix of accurate and JP anatomy
unique island
^ Dondi did say it himself that the game is somewhat inspired by JP
cyan flame
As for why people want accuracy, could be for all sorts of reason, from simply preferring things to be accurate, thinking the accurate version looks better, or whatever reasoning they may have. And it's not like we've not had a fair few remodels of critters already, not really sure why they changed the stego again for that matter..
cyan flame
Yeah.. just a few calls that are pretty much JP.. somewhat indeed xD
unique island
when I mean somewhat I meant its just one of the inspirations behind the game. As there are multiple lol
grand brook
not saying the game is not good, but saying that it's only somewhat similar to JP is naive at best
cyan flame
Anyway, wish they'd just kept the current stego and done minor changes, than the new stocky one, but oh well xD
barren zephyr
Screw accuracy man. If the stego looks cool idc if it's accurate or not.
winter spear
good luck with the derpy ass anatomy and walking animations lmao
wouldnt look so out of place if done anatomically correct
its like giving a horse stubby legs and forgetting the joints
not to mention stego had hella more plates
if yall want just 'cool' shit thats part of it
valid zephyr
gameplay > realism
still temple
most accurate dino in TI is taco
valid zephyr
if a not realistic stego fits in more, then it's better to have than a realistic stego
realistic dibble for example would just be AI. It's tiny and would be useless
cyan flame
? :p
winter spear
A realistic stego would literally make animating it easier
And they wouldn't have to be remaking it all the time
The current stego is actually pretty realistic compared to the new. Just needs more plates, shorter legs, and well, more knowledge of how legs work
I mean dilo has the most complicated anatomy considering its bones, and the isle did fine
Why cant they just make stego legs work without them looking weird lmao
But ya know if you want weird stego legs that look weird when they walk, whateva
compact coyote
mellow maple
Realistic stego would make it better at what it's supposed to do tho, it'd have a longer tail 😛
My main problem with the Stego rn is that it's called stenops when it looks more like armatus.
Though the devs have made up their minds on how the Stego looks so there's no changing that.
viral creek
I like that we do have kind of a mix of jp anatomy and accurate anatomy
mellow maple
It does at least look like a stego.
viral creek
Utah for example. He looks like a jp raptor, but he at least dosen't have broken wrists
Stego is jp like
But at least his tail is nice n upright
Unlike many other depections of stego
Velociraptor is scaley
But at least it has accurate anatomy and size
Ok you get the idea,
mellow maple
Some better than others tho
mellow maple
He's a good boi, better than spino imo
viral creek
Eh
New spino model has already been changed for the better
we just haven't seen it yet
I wouldn't diss spino until we've seen the completed new model
mellow maple
Fair, but I won't expect them to make the legs shorter and the snout narrower any time soooon kek.- Wait we should go back to #401464048610312195
valid zephyr
hope we get to see the new spoon soon
barren zephyr
I think dilo bite should do something other than bleed to make it more unique.
Maybe a dilo bite disables Nightvision and allows dilos to smell your body for 2 minutes or something.
thorny lynx
Why tho
They're already going to have an anticoagulant in their venom
Makes you bleed faster
paper oriole
Galli could be an omnivore but just let him eat tiny prey, eggs and the bugs that fly around
Tbh many current herbis having the option to eat tiny prey wouldnt hurt, deer and cows do it irl
Galli bite is too weak to eat most prey items we have in the game
jovial saddle
Giga was not 8 or 9 tonnes....
It was 6.8
And if giga did run at 50 kmh irl then it would literally break its legs
summer mist
jovial saddle
The bleeder is good as it is
paper oriole
Oh lord another buff giga post
summer mist
nope not strong enough its to weak
paper oriole
Giga would be the most broken shit ever if it ran even near that fast
jovial saddle
Which reminds me
summer mist
a spino shouldnt even be an apex it was a fisher , giga was built for speed and bleed it had serated teeth and killed saurpods young and used it speed to doge tail swipes
summer mist
not really rex has a better ambush and faster sprint , all giga has is the walk
jovial saddle
Just cause spino was a fisher doesn’t mean it wasn’t an apex
paper oriole
Rex has 30sec stam
Giga will wear you down across the map
And regens stam much better
summer mist
come on the spino had a bbite force of 2 tones , i use to fight carcharodontosaurus and lose XD
jovial saddle
paper oriole
Last thing giga needs is a speed buff
jovial saddle
Planet Dinosaur is an outdated source of paleontology
valid zephyr
jovial saddle
That too
paper oriole
How fucking stupid would it be to have an apex running around at carno speed
summer mist
take is walk from it give it slower walk and faster run giga is usless in apex fights and i shouldnt it should stand a chance to bleed it opponate out
paper oriole
LOL
viral creek
So you want giga's ambush to be faster than gallimimus
paper oriole
Giga isnt made to fight rex
viral creek
And run speed very fast
paper oriole
Wtf
viral creek
Also, I think the whole 50kph thing is outdated
summer mist
why/ it is the animal natural speed
jovial saddle
Literally everything he just said is either outdated or just plain out not true
summer mist
like saying that a carno should be slower cause its a game
paper oriole
Gameplay > "realism"
viral creek
I'm sorry, but what you're asking is to turn the entire game into giga simulator, cause every single animal will just die.
paper oriole
Carno isnt strong
valid zephyr
summer mist
why banlace it out the rex has bone break doesnt matter if your not skilled enought to avoid its bite
paper oriole
Youre suggesting an apex that shreds all mid tiers be buffed to outrun them
How broken is that
valid zephyr
and also that weight buff will make it destroy rex and trike
bold relic
If you are a skilled giga player you can win 1v1 rex
viral creek
A skilled giga can already take on a rex.
What you are asking is going to break the entire game
paper oriole
Bone break is getting rework
valid zephyr
basically asking to make giga the fist of god
paper oriole
Imagine unironically asking for giga buff
viral creek
Also the ingame weight isn't based on real weight, it's just there to\ balance out damage
jovial saddle
^^^ and HP
bold relic
Lets just give the giga 200 tons 500km/h walk and immunity to fd
viral creek
That too
paper oriole
Just make giga 1 call instantly give 50 bleed to all rexes on the server too
summer mist
why not? the carno was an injurance dino it could keep this speed for long distances , somthing that weight 8 ton isnt going to be able to keep it for long 50kmh its factual speed for 20 secs
viral creek
🤦
paper oriole
Carno is a fukin weakling
paper oriole
He isnt breaking anything
viral creek
We already have an ambush predator neiche either way, and that belongs to rex, who is still slower than that
paper oriole
This is sad
valid zephyr
@mossy mauve Your prophet is here.
bold relic
Isnt gigas ambush faster than rexes?
paper oriole
Imagine unironically asking for 50km/h giga
summer mist
so was the giga is was so much smaller in frame then rex , the rex was a bull built like a blunt object , the giga was taller longer but smiler built to be faster and built to do bleed it had serrated teeth and was quick over short distances
viral creek
Rex has a really fast ambush, but only lasts 6 seconds.
Including the time it takes to build up that speed
jovial saddle
Ok first of all this game is supposed to be fun and semi-realistic
valid zephyr
not only 50kph, but 8 tons so it outfights rex and trike with ease
viral creek
Okay bearbox. I don't know if you've considered this
half mist
50km/h Giga would be able to outrun every small and mid tier except for Carno
jovial saddle
Second of all, speed estimates put T. rex as the fastest mega theropod
viral creek
But your accuracy dosen't mean shit when it involves breaking the entire balance of the game
Enough said.
valid zephyr
Giga that weight and speed would beat all dinos in the game by far in a fight, and run down all dinos except carno.
how would anything else survive
indigo sun
You need to consider other dinosaurs and balance before you ever bring realism into a game where dinosaurs who never lived together exist
summer mist
how? so its okay to have a spino whos isnt an apex do insane amounts of bleed and take insane punishment but cand have a dino run is normal speed for 15-20 secs and be its factual weight to give the giga an chance to be able to stand a chance killing a rex with bone break
paper oriole
No talking logic into this guy
half mist
Spino doesn't even do that much bleed?
jovial saddle
IT’S A SANDBOX DINO
viral creek
Spinosaurus is a huge animal, and dosen't do much bleed nor damage. He's just really tanky
indigo sun
Spino's coming to survival so the sandbox argument isnt really valid for it anymore
valid zephyr
I'm forwarding this convo to tentacle. He will have an actual field day.
paper oriole
Do you keep up to date on isle news at all
viral creek
And giga can already take on a rex in the hands of a skilled player, or if it gets the jump on it
Now uh
half mist
Yea but Spino will get stat updates
It may be coming to survival but its stats are outdated
viral creek
Please consider the well being of the rest of the survival roster before bringing in your accuracy arguements that everybody aready knows about
jovial moss
wtf is going on
summer mist
the spino was a skinny walking fish i weight alot true , due to its sixe but it would get dicked by a rex 100% of the time in a real fight should be a mid teir
half mist
Skinny?
paper oriole
Another buff giga lmao
half mist
You call the heaviest theropod ever conceived skinny?
paper oriole
Thats what
jovial moss
even if you DID get your giga buffs @summer mist there would be no point to play the game as anything else, it would literally be giga simulator
jovial saddle
So 6.9 tonnes is skinny?
Spinosaurus is literally bigger than Giganotosaurus by 100 ish kg
jovial saddle
^^^
jovial moss
it would face tank rex and trike, it would outspeed everything but an ambushing utah and carno, like wtf do u want
summer mist
look at the frame of the spino wasnt build to fight anything it was a killer fishermen end of , it use to fight carcharodontosaurus and lose
viral creek
Real spino, sure
viral creek
Have you seen our new spino
jovial saddle
God
indigo sun
This isnt the real spino in this game
barren zephyr
@summer mist
viral creek
Let me fetch an image of the concept
barren zephyr
bearbox.
indigo sun
Do you understand that? Our spino does not look completely realistic
jovial saddle
Both theropods lived in Africa but they never crossed paths with each other
barren zephyr
I highly suggest you to contact an actual reliable source like Franoys
other than relying on shitty information
such as Google.
paper oriole
I dont think its worth trying to negotiate with this dude
jovial saddle
They even filled different niches so they wouldn’t even mess with each other
summer mist
yes of course , but if your try to recreate a animal atleast get sum things right
barren zephyr
But its right
You dummy
that buff giga suggestion is the most bruh suggestion ever
You just want giga to be as 10 ton rex killer
lol
why make giga faster than a fucking utah
jovial saddle
And make it faster than galli
barren zephyr
You studied google
viral creek
Don't ya dare call this thing skinny
barren zephyr
you didnt study fuck shit
summer mist
ive studied paleontology for a long time
barren zephyr
LMAO
half mist
Uhuh
jovial saddle
LMFAOOOO
viral creek
Also bearbox, we know these facts. But we don't care. Because your accuracy is going to break the game.
paper oriole
Guys giga still wouldnt be able to catch ptera it wouldnt be fair, let giga fly too
barren zephyr
he is trolling
summer mist
bro im 22
barren zephyr
if you studied paleontology you wouldnt rely on google
indigo sun
How would giga being faster impact the rest of the dinosaurs in this game?
half mist
22 months?
indigo sun
Did you stop to think about that?
barren zephyr
If you studied paleontology you wouldnt use google as information
this man is frigging trolling
viral creek
^
oblique sluice
You studied paleo under a rock @summer mist
barren zephyr
yea this guy is 100% trolling @barren zephyr
<@&401466542140817419>
lets close this case
jovial moss
make giga swim faster than sucho while you're at it, gotta catch those pesky spinosaurids
barren zephyr
with a golden key
summer mist
i rely on google cause you muppets cant get facts right easier to show you , internet is a wealth of knowlogy , and that spino agian miles away from what it looked like trying to beaf it up and make it an apex when it wasnt
jovial saddle
Knowlogy
viral creek
I don't want to say this one more time
But we know these facts, we know about accuracy. But
We
Don't
Care.
neat flicker
And let's keep the sly remarks to ourselves and move back to discussing suggestions
viral creek
Why?
Because it will destroy all balance
jovial moss
because this is a g a m e
viral creek
Giga is getting his anims redone, hopefully sub and juvi giga get exclusive locomotion to help with his speed
viral creek
@summer mist I have a question for you
paper oriole
Lmao imagine unironically suggesting giga outrun all mid tiers then call others stupid
viral creek
Do you want to break the entire game and make it so nobody plays literally anything but giga
jovial saddle
Imagine saying Giga was 10 tonnes
indigo sun
Do you think about the way the other dinosaurs in the game will be impacted or do you just think giga should be fast for realism @summer mist
oblique sluice
yEs BecAuSe iT's mY FaV dIno
summer mist
the giga wasnt 10 tons ? it weight max of close to 9 ? the giga is bigger than a rex faster but has less bite force of course
viral creek
These animals lived in completely different time periods and different areas, they were never meant to coexist. So we need to balance them so they can coexist, even if it isn't 100% accurate.
barren zephyr
dumb
indigo sun
Answer the question
viral creek
^
boreal raven
@summer mist The biggest giga they have found was thought to have weighed 13 tons.
viral creek
lol
barren zephyr
@boreal raven wrong
boreal raven
Explain. @barren zephyr
jovial saddle
Uh what
barren zephyr
giganoto as a creature is far from 10 tons
jovial saddle
What specimen was 13? Lmao
barren zephyr
the biggest theropod is 9.1 tons which is a tyrannosaurus
indigo sun
You got proof of that gryphon?
viral creek
Tyrannosaurus is the heaviest
jovial saddle
Better be a reliable source
viral creek
But not the biggest
summer mist
no both , the giga should be able to catch most mid tiers other than gail , rator , carno maybe cera in ambush , but the giga should be faster maybe not 50kmh but defo faster than what it is now , take the god walk form it give it a slower walk and faster run and ambush , like you smart guys keep saying it should be able to hunt mid tiers better than any other apex but , it should also be able to hold it on with other apexs to make the game enjoyable
viral creek
Ok bearbox
paper oriole
I can feel my brain cells frying each time i read BearBox's arguments
viral creek
i am out lol
barren zephyr
Hey Beart
jovial saddle
You know what
barren zephyr
Look at my suggestion.ö
jovial saddle
I’m gonna go to the paleo chat
lilac swallow
50km/h i simply "why play anithing besides giga"
jovial saddle
Because I’m on my last brain cell
indigo sun
Everything else is fucked at that point seriously did you consider any other dinosaur?
boreal raven
@indigo sun
barren zephyr
I said make rex's ambush 12 seconds
jovial saddle
“T-rex”
lilac swallow
Yeah give giga 50kmph lets see how everyone goes guga
barren zephyr
While it has the faster ambush between giga and rex
jovial saddle
Yeah sorry pal but that’s not reliable
wintry cipher
8 seconds would be fine for it tbh. 12 seconds......good lord thats too long. thats not even an ambush at that point.
half mist
How does 14 tons = 8000 kilograms
barren zephyr
yea was gonna say that
boreal raven
Oh hi Tac lmao
half mist
Yo
valid zephyr
Gameplay > Realism
jovial saddle
^^^
summer mist
the spino was the heaviest dont no where you getting this info from
jovial saddle
That too
lilac swallow
Thats not even realistic
half mist
Even in short tons I don't think that adds up but lemme check
mossy mauve
Comrade I am proud of the buff giga person
barren zephyr
Scotty officially makes Tyrannosaurus longer than Giga.
barren zephyr
Largest giganotosaurus is 12.80 meters long
jovial saddle
Or a nerf
lilac swallow
Seriously have you ever considered what would happen?
barren zephyr
Rex's base speed should be the same as giga imo.
But the rex has a faster ambush than the giga. While the giga gets a nerf to dmg and bb
wintry cipher
also; giga's only major threat is rex, while rex has to deal with allos, carnos, dilos and utahs, ceratos and diablos.
half mist
8000kg is 8.8 US tons
barren zephyr
nerf to dmg and alt
wintry cipher
the instant giga can reliably escape rex, it is op and unstoppable
barren zephyr
oh and Spinosaurus is lighter
indigo sun
@summer mist answer the question. Did you consider the fate of other playables or did you only think of giga for this "realistic" suggestion?
barren zephyr
its just a thin boi
summer mist
@indigo sun i anwserd that
barren zephyr
jovial saddle
We should seriously move this to paleo chat
barren zephyr
half mist
Spinosaurus was potentially the heaviest based off of higher estimates which, as of right now, are only theoretical
barren zephyr
@half mist
Wrong though
this is the most recent and updated GDI made for Spinosaurus
where would it be ok for me to ask a question about buying the game and devs?
lilac swallow
Stop with the paleo we are talking here about a serious suggestion about 50kmph giga
half mist
I'm not trying to say Spino is the heaviest lmao
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr discussion can work
half mist
I'm on your side
half mist
I'm saying based off of older estimates, it could potentially be the heaviest
But that's all theoretical
jovial saddle
@lilac swallow do you really think that 50kmph giga isn’t a joke?
barren zephyr
anyway making giga faster and ruining its trot like wtf
indigo sun
If giga is made faster, then that kind of fucks over everything. Giga obliterates every mid tier because of how high its bite force is and how much bleed it does. Adding on to make it even more powerful screws over other dinosaurs completely.
lilac swallow
I do think is serious and is sad
barren zephyr
because it didnt have the running adaptations that Tyrannosaurus have.
metatarsal bone.
and its shorter knees
summer mist
wikipeidia dont cont mate
barren zephyr
..
lilac swallow
In fact Rex was a speedy boy It just was too heavy to run so fast
barren zephyr
GOOGLE doesnt count mate
jovial saddle
I’m gonna lose it
barren zephyr
You fucking kidding me man
This guy says wikipedia doesnt count
but relies on google
🤦
google is ten times worse
south flower
I feel that given the amount of bleed giga does, it doesn’t need to have a faster run. It’s like a Komodo dragon biting its prey and casually tracking it down. The giga relies on it’s bleed to kill prey most times if not hunting smaller tiers.
lilac swallow
Google is like Wikipedia but worse
barren zephyr
and wikipedia is accurate sometimes when its about the FOSSILS
mellow fox
Holy fucking shit, Giga might as well be my most favorite dinosaur but holy hell this suggestion with the 50km/h Giga is oblivious
barren zephyr
The mass estimates are not.
mellow fox
Please tell me it was a joke
jovial saddle
At least Wikipedia updated their models
indigo sun
Giga is not a spinter, it trots down prey after getting a bite, keeping it moving so it bleeds out.
jovial saddle
@mellow fox he isn’t joking
lilac swallow
Out of carno, who would survive that?
jovial saddle
He sadly isn’t joking
mellow fox
I am just leaving this here
paper oriole
Sadly it seems BearBox is serious... Seriously dense
mellow fox
barren zephyr
What the hell is with people.
What ya guys think of my suggestion?
inb4 fanboys
Yeah buff its nerf
summer mist
you people need to watch so basic walking with dinosaurs all over the show Xd
south flower
...
barren zephyr
- Claims hes a long time paleontologist but relies on google.
indigo sun
You seriously need to think about BASIC FUCKING BALANCE before you make suggestions on realism.
jovial saddle
Nigersaurus
lilac swallow
We could argue about a slight buff, but you are basically asking to twice its speed
summer mist
no need to get up set little girls
jovial saddle
@barren zephyr I don’t see why giga needs a dmg nerf
manic ibex
GUys I'm 22 I KnOw WhAt I'm TaLkInG ABOut
viral creek
Proper game balance > Muh realism
paper oriole
did somebody say NIGERSAURUS
barren zephyr
Because why rely on bleed when it can just 2 shot everything
- Even though he relies on google, whichs already a disgustingly gross way to get information about dinosaurs, states Wikipedia doesnt count even though Wikipedia itself is pretty accurate if you exclude the size and mass estimates.
south flower
Then resorts to namecalling. Oof
indigo sun
How does this impact mid tiers? Everyone goes giga and the people that dont die.
valid zephyr
realism is 100% irrelevent
jovial saddle
Yeah but
barren zephyr
When giga is supposed to be a bleeder
jovial saddle
350 dmg?
valid zephyr
game balance is more important
barren zephyr
- Thinks outdated documentaries are reliable.
jovial saddle
That’s rex food
valid zephyr
walking with dinos is ancient
viral creek
Bearbox makes me cry salty tears.
jovial saddle
I’d be ok with 500-550 dmg
half mist
Guys guys Spino can totally kill Rex because it snapped its neck in JP3 11/10 reliable content
barren zephyr
450
jovial saddle
350 is just back to the way it was before
indigo sun
450-500 is alright for giga
barren zephyr
Yeah
paper oriole
500 for giga is good
barren zephyr
🍵
mossy mauve
Wait WHAT?
jovial saddle
600+ is overkill for mid tiers but it’s supposed to be a sauropod killer
barren zephyr
Its meant to be trotting out and bleeding out prey.
mossy mauve
giga needs BUFF
valid zephyr
walking with dinos has non feathered utah 
half mist
I feel 350 - 450 would be good for new Spino but idk
barren zephyr
but then imo, I feel like rex should be the base sprint speed as giga, while having the faster ambush of the two
@mossy mauve Shut the fuck up we are being serious here
barren zephyr
🤡 🎪
mossy mauve
I'll leave then
barren zephyr
So giga isn't a walking meal
valid zephyr
Awez is our savior, he will bring about the giga buffs.
covert oasis
My fucking brain cells
viral creek
Rex - DPS
Giga- DOT (damage over time)
Spino- Tank
The perfect balance
half mist
As all things should be
mellow fox
Giga 500 damage but similar base sprint to Rex with Rex still having the superior ambush as well as a slight alt turn nerf and Giga should be pretty alright
half mist
It's an old fisherman that just happens to be a tank
barren zephyr
nah 350 giga and 500 rex
south flower
It may be different when spino gets a new mode though
lilac swallow
Ask for the second strongest playable to be also the second fastest
south flower
Model*
jovial moss
rex and giga should just do 1 damage each but there's a 1 in 10 chance to instakill the person you bite, gotta keep the rng alive
valid zephyr
Can we have a discord hall of fame, for the greatest comments of all time to go?
viral creek
Please
jovial saddle
Wait lemme make a new suggestion
valid zephyr
the comments which will go down in history, and be remembered for generations to come
barren zephyr
Rex should have more mass too
mellow fox
You can nerf Giga all that you want just give it the ability to be able to actually force the bleed game on Rex or escape it from 40 meters if both start running at the same time (Rex doesn't even need to ambush for that catch as an "ambush predator")
half mist
Do what Nycta does and have a comment awards @valid zephyr
indigo sun
Shit man i think about uncleraptor sometimes and almost cry
barren zephyr
Ikr
mellow fox
Basically give Giga the ability to force the bleeding game on Rex if played well, nerf so it can't facetank and so it actually has to bleed prey
barren zephyr
Rex is just a race car
indigo sun
He's what got me my strike cause I called him a bitch and told him to stop bitching
barren zephyr
BearBox might aswell be Uncleraptor's alt
jovial moss
it;ll help when bone break isnt so RNG
gigas won't get leg break on the first hit every time
lilac swallow
Nah
paper oriole
This buff giga suggestion is worse than the mild diarrhea and firebreathing para suggestions
viral creek
barren zephyr
For being a slow runner rex is so fast
lilac swallow
Uncle would call us Rex fanboy
viral creek
I mean I'm all for firebreathing para
barren zephyr
Rex was nto a slow runner
Most of the time
Was not*
kazuto.
It was pretty darn fast
jovial saddle
18 mph is slow?
barren zephyr
it just didnt sprint like a cheetah.
jovial saddle
That’s faster than a human
jovial moss
firebreathing para is a great suggestion lmao
jovial saddle
Still really damn fast for a 9 tonne lizard
summer mist
anyone else want to abuse me a little more?
lilac swallow
Rex was an speedy ostrich most of its life
barren zephyr
df
half mist
I mean if you're offering..
indigo sun
Oh i thought you left
barren zephyr
Scientists estimated that rex could run at 45 mp/h?
jovial saddle
Ok that’s kinky
barren zephyr
....
jovial moss
You just opened up another can of worms lol
barren zephyr
you been abusing our braincells since you first shown your existance.
paper oriole
No go to your room BearBox, and think about your actions
indigo sun
Why did you come back though? Like, this isn't being rude but you left the conversation for like 5 minutes
barren zephyr
for rex
jovial saddle
Lmao remember that mega theropods couldn’t run
barren zephyr
20-22 mph
jovial saddle
They power walked
barren zephyr
I said
They could run @jovial saddle
Scientists estimated
Just not lift both feet off the ground
jovial saddle
Ooooh
jovial moss
imagine rex's model but using galli's trot animation
summer mist
been here the whole time never left funny watching you lot cry
lilac swallow
I did
indigo sun
Okay bud
lilac swallow
Okay
barren zephyr
We were right all along
paper oriole
He frolic
barren zephyr
Troll.
lilac swallow
I think we didnt cry
indigo sun
Have fun watching
barren zephyr
@jovial saddle @barren zephyr here
lilac swallow
I may be wrong
mossy mauve
BearBox I'm on your side don't worry
jovial moss
no I definitely cried
mossy mauve
Giga needs a buff
indigo sun
Awez fuckin dont
paper oriole
Cried from laughter
mossy mauve
Ok I don't
viral creek
awez he'll think you're serious
mossy mauve
You don't hate me 
barren zephyr
THIS is why I hate giga buff memes
lilac swallow
Awez you should know when to stop
summer mist
hate me all you want dont stop me thinking your a tit XD
barren zephyr
Because it may make people think you are serious
jovial saddle
@barren zephyr yes ty
viral creek
i mean it's ok to be wrong
lilac swallow
Yeah
indigo sun
No one said they hated you they were talking to awez.
lilac swallow
We are a tit
half mist
Jokes on you, I like tits
mossy mauve
No one hates anyone here
summer mist
sorry for just putting in a suggestion next time i will just keep it to my self
indigo sun
Jokes on you, i am a tit
lilac swallow
Thats because we cant see balance on 50kmph giga
paper oriole
I doubt you think at all, Bear
barren zephyr
oh hey guys
all this resulted in nothing
the guy still thinks giga is a 50 kph 10 ton rex killer
jovial moss
next time think about how it would affect the game itself
barren zephyr
how intuitive it was
mellow fox
Can I call in a moderator already since the Giga buff dude is using insults now?
lilac swallow
I wouldnt play anything else
jovial moss
it would literally destroy the game, it literally would
mellow fox
breathes in
lilac swallow
Yeah
paper oriole
Hes done this before
barren zephyr
I already tagged a moderator but didnt really do anything, told us to not use sly remarks
mellow fox
lilac swallow
Pls do
barren zephyr
Maybe its time to do it now
mossy mauve
Leave em be who cares? 
viral creek
indigo sun
Every time someone makes a bad suggestion and people disagree its "GUeSs iLl NEvEr shArE mY oPINioN AgAIn!"
summer mist
so its okay for people to insult me but i can isult back noiceee
jovial saddle
I care about my last brain cell, thank you very much
mellow fox
@neat flicker
mossy mauve
Just shush we don't need admin slaps here
mellow fox
Can we shot this down
lilac swallow
Never insulted you mate
mossy mauve
chill down
mellow fox
mellow fox
Thanks OP
lilac swallow
True thanks
barren zephyr
Thanks
jovial saddle
Ty ma’am or sir
viral creek
thx
neat flicker
If you can't talk to one another without respect or you don't have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself.
This is for suggestion discussing only.
Move it back on track please
indigo sun
Fair enough
summer mist
well thank you for the popcorn moments boys 😛
jovial saddle
Sub giga is a walking burger for fully grown mid tiers and apexes
lilac swallow
Admiting is a troll
viral creek
That could be fix once giga gets his anims redone
jovial saddle
I hope so
barren zephyr
Now they have just admitted
mellow fox
ehm
Sub Giga fresh kills adult Cerato
viral creek
Hopefully he gets exclusive juvenile and sub anims like rex
mellow fox
Just FYI
jovial saddle
Yeah but the sprint is still slow
barren zephyr
one of us wouldnt do much i guess
mellow fox
I played like a potato @barren zephyr
jovial saddle
It’s hella s t r o n k but slow
barren zephyr
true you let him go inside your tail
lilac swallow
I hope every non adult doesnt feel like "just a smaller weaker and slower adult"
viral creek
^
lilac swallow
Which in case of giga and trike is true
barren zephyr
well isnt that kind how younger animals are compared to the adults?
I mean irl and logically?
lilac swallow
Nah
barren zephyr
even though this game is not really into logic
barren zephyr
True
viral creek
That's why people afk
lilac swallow
Irl Rex is an example of not being just a smaller adult
barren zephyr
Yeah
paper oriole
Rex is an example of all stages being enjoyable to play
barren zephyr
It had its own unique niche at younger stages
paper oriole
Yea
lilac swallow
I wouldnt afk at all if i could enjoy my dinos whole grow time
paper oriole
A pack of rexes with a sub is very efficient
barren zephyr
Nights shouldnt be so damn boring either
jovial saddle
Sub rex is fast, strong, and you can ruin a cocky mid tier
barren zephyr
most people log at night
mellow fox
Generally it's a good idea to let weaker things escape while keep the strong bois slower
looking at Rex base speed
viral creek
Rex base speed is still pretty slow
lilac swallow
But zero muh pitch black nights
barren zephyr
thenyaw.
I thought pitch black nights relates to the kind of game we are meant to play
but i realized it makes the game tedious
viral creek
I have a love hate relationship with the pitch black nights
barren zephyr
i liked pitch black nights
lilac swallow
I have pure hate
viral creek
It's defs creepy and opens up a cool new, nocturnal neiche. However it can get mega old
lilac swallow
Cant do shit, nor feel afraid because i know they cant see me neither
Is a moment of going afk thats all
viral creek
I think a good compromise would to have a relatively bright night, like on r2. But make the shadows pitch black
You'll need nv to see in the forest
lilac swallow
Exactly gulpy
jolly willow
are we talking about gamma abuse or whay
barren zephyr
We need the foggy nights back too
viral creek
I'll make that a suggestion
barren zephyr
I'll support it gulpy
jolly willow
o
well make night less fuckin oppressive lol
buff everyone's nv tbh
even dilos isn't good enough
jovial saddle
Wait what
lilac swallow
Put that dilos can see better like being able to see in the shadows on night
barren zephyr
sadly I dont
lilac swallow
Me neither
@viral creek for dilo It could be that It can even see color
To help with its night Hunter nice
Niche
viral creek
I'm talking about overall, not exclusively dilo
Dilo already has a great time at night
lilac swallow
Yeah i know
But specifying dilo could help for "whats with dilo you taking away its niche"
half mist
I mean, aren't the dinosaurs going to get their more varied night vision thingies later on?
viral creek
I mean, dilo will still keep his niche
You'll need to use night vision in dense forests
So dilo will be able to see you before you see it in forested areas.
lilac swallow
I know
viral creek
You can also hide in more open areas if you have a solid camo
I mean I can see what you're saying, but I'm not gonna add something to my suggestion that I don't think we need, just to satisfy a few players
lilac swallow
Fair enought
viral creek
That's the plan 😛
azure arch
Gahghh
sick crescent
random knoll
no
azure arch
or do people do that instead of thumbs up sometimes
random knoll
just people like it
feral wedge
It means people like it.
azure arch
Cool
How many checks/thumbs up does it take for a dev to notice it
And what does it mean when people 'pin' your suggestions
random knoll
the devs all ways look known and again
feral wedge
Nothing or anything could or could not be added from the channel.
Doesn't matter how much it's liked or disliked.
azure arch
I wish devs would put a special emoji if THEY like the idea
so you can see if a dev likes it or not
I can't scroll through all the reactions, lol..
paper oriole
yeees more sauropods ples
night mountain
Yesss, I'd personally like bajada a little more though,
paper oriole
Yea his size would be a little more viable than amarga
Tho they could just bump the size like diablo lol
Also nigersaurus ples
night mountain
god i want niger too ;c
could even make it really unique by baking it mostly grow on aquatic plants like some giant shopvac
paper oriole
Yea and uh
Give it an attack where it can swing its flatass face as a blunt weapon lmao
night mountain
I still like it sucking skin off like a walrus
have it just like pull a rexs arm or eye out with pure suction
that would be so scary no one would mess with it
paper oriole
Yes
barren zephyr
Awful
paper oriole
Awfully good
night mountain
make its roar literally just a distorted vacuum cleaner noise
night mountain
crow sized
paper oriole
Comparing it to austro lol
night mountain
im down but devs said they wont add anything smaller than dryo ;c
paper oriole
Or maybe they were just comparing feathera
Theres a compy in the database so idk maybe as ai but i doubt theyd add microraptor
night mountain
micro would need to much i'd think
compys just small
micro would need climbing mechanics and stff to feel right
paper oriole
Micro would be scratch model for something that logically would just eat bugs and small gore
I mean id love to eat some bugs tho i hope that becomes a thing
pseudo falcon
@barren zephyr I like the idea of having that dino in the game. However, the devs have stated multiple times that they won't add any playable dinos that are that small.
Figured you might like knowing, so there you go.
Well, we don't know exactly what ptera will be able to do, so maybe that'll fit the bill.
T'would be a nice and reasonable addition.
paper oriole
a little glider raptor would be nice, i think something like Zhenyuanlong would be more likely than micro though, it's closer to velo size, which is still probably too small for the devs to want to make playable any time soon though
hallow vigil
@drowsy heron #general-feedback isnt the place to talk to ppl, if u want to talk about a suggestion, do it here. If u have a question about this game in general, ask in #401464048610312195 (also no, flying dinos are not yet playable)
still temple
Zhenyuanlong is epic
drowsy heron
sorry
hallow vigil
no prob
still temple
@barren zephyr The smallest creature is going to be Taco. Any smaller = rejected
paper oriole
Zhen is roughly as long as a taco i think
still temple
Depends on the species, Zhen is larger than TI’s taco @paper oriole
Which is p. neimongoliensis
mossy mauve
would smell like shit and look like shit np
barren zephyr
Why does there always have to be a stinky turds suggestion 
wicked fossil
Turds are immersive after all
wicked fossil
Its gone now
valid zephyr
damn i missed it
wicked fossil
Trolls not allowed so it got yeeted fast
valid zephyr
the bar is low today
barren zephyr
valid zephyr
nothing compares to the buff giga suggestion
barren zephyr
I’m just... sigh
valid zephyr
but jesus christ that one is bad
wicked fossil
Bad troll is bad
valid zephyr
Sorry but aquatic anky just seems wierd. It would sink like a rock.
indigo sun
Why on earth would anky be semi-aquatic? it has no features that would imply it lived in water. I'm all for survival anky but semi-aquatic is a no.
lament spoke
I'd have to agree with that. Plus the no physical damage is a no no imo
barren zephyr
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indigo sun
I agree with you there. Why wouldn't a giant ass club do a ton of damage?
oak shale
@devout blaze ngl semi aquatic anky doesn’t sound very plausible
devout blaze
I think semi-aquatic could be interesting since Anky is slow on land. Elephants are really heavy, yet they are quite good swimmers.
oak shale
Doesn’t make them semi aquatic
indigo sun
That doesnt make an elephant semi-aquatic.
hippos would be at least semi aquatic but elephants arent. And they also arent basically a giant rock.
devout blaze
I know. I thought it might make anky gameplay interesting even though its not realistic
indigo sun
Anky can be interesting. It's an armored tank, which nothing else really has armor, and one of the few herbivores with a possibility of bonebreak
lament spoke
Well even though this isn't saurian with the realism you still have to follow the laws of nature
devout blaze
Anky is an amazing creature. I do hope a unique niche is found for it
random knoll
brekaing ankles
oak shale
Brusing ribs
lament spoke
Being a tank that can't Chase you down and you put yourself at your own risk to fight it
Anky should defensively be the best herbivore
devout blaze
I believe (though I can't find stats of swim speeds) that current anky in the Isle is a faster swimmer then runner. I thought it'd be interesting to consider a "semi-aquatic" angle
lament spoke
Well that's just how the anky was balanced. Many of the way the dinos interact with the water needs to be changed
paper oriole
Having anky rely purely on outside interference to kill its assailants is dumb tho
lament spoke
Yeah honestly that's the biggest issue that I have with it
I don't agree with the semi aquatic but doing no damage is not a good thing
indigo sun
Anky seriously looks like it would avoid swimming more than anything. And yeah, i dont see why it wouldnt do damage beyond breaking bone with the bigass club tail
devout blaze
Thanks for your feedback guys
paper oriole
It is already incapable of running, it deserves to be deadly, and even if he could escape to water which is also weird.. hed just be free spino snack
lament spoke
Also if you're using hippos as reference. Hippos can't swim so keep that in mind
devout blaze
Anky and elephants would be pretty close in weight. That was more my reference
paper oriole
There are other options for semi aquatic herbivores that will hopefully happen in the future, but anky deserves his spot as a deadly tank
devout blaze
I certainly agree he should be a deadly tank
lament spoke
Too slow to go after you but if you decide to go for the anky you better know what you're doing should be anky's niche
indigo sun
The physical appearance is more what you should pay attention to. The tail and legs and overall wide flat body shape doesnt make it seem like a great swimmer. It could at most be a slow-moving log
paper oriole
His attacks should have lethal potential, not just breaking bones and hoping a nearby opportunist peels his attacker
devout blaze
It could be a slow log that drifts downriver
lament spoke
Deino will kinda already do thag
But the thagomizer will likely pull it down and it's legs are too short to reliably keep itself up
The semi aquatic herb isn't a bad idea. You just picked the wrong dino
devout blaze
A badly broken bone would often be lethal, if you're stuck in the open and can't limp under a tree. Be interesting if "permanent" effects were added after combat recode, e.g if your leg is broken in combat, it affects your dinosaur even after it heals (like Prophet's suggestion)
A rex messes with an anky, gets a broken leg, the anky leaves but the rex has a permanent effect from that
lament thorn
You always want to make sure the attacker won't just keep biting the Anky even with a broken leg
So doing a lot of dmg is needed too
devout blaze
In the document I had a "Shattered Leg" where the dinosaur that gets its leg broken by an anky can't move for a while. This gives the anky time to leave
paper oriole
Na if anky hits your ribs or face you shouldnt just go "aw man i cant chase it anymore" you should perish
A sauropod would work better as a water dweller imo since at least they have the ability to stick their head out of the water as they walk along the lakebed
devout blaze
Interesting. But if their head was sticking out of the water it'd probably be vulnerable to a neck strike from Deino
(not against the idea. I read books with sauropods in the water as a kid and loved it)
lament thorn
Wouldn't they be at risk if there head was under the water too?
Just don't get into water with large Deinos
paper oriole
Probably, i mean sauropods tho are very high risk to predators on land tho so theyd be making themselves vulnerable by choice really
Gotta give them some weakness for playability
devout blaze
I would love a semi-aquatic herbi with viable gameplay
paper oriole
It would also depend on the sauropod in question, and the deino in question. Hopefully we see more sauropods added in the future especially as playable
devout blaze
Yes. Hail Cama. Hail Brachi
paper oriole
I hope we see use of the sauro they have buried in the database too, may havr been bronto id have to recheck
Also smaller tier sauros like my boi nigersaurus
devout blaze
(Amargasaurus looks badass)
paper oriole
Bajadasaurus would be more viable than amarga imo, either way i want one of em
Things like baja/amarga, styraco and kentro could also open up a nice niche for reflection damage
Since styraco and kentro are in database already
devout blaze
Have to head off now. Thanks for the discussion B.T I hope you have a lovely night. Thank you to everyone who took the time to read and react to my post. May you all have a great day/night!
paper oriole
Aight see you around
dreams of nigersaurus
Make it a hatchlings worse nightmare
Or should i say... Nigermare
oak shale
@paper oriole
lament thorn
I have no words
paper oriole
:3
still temple
semi aquatic herbi is cool. Anky for semi aquatic is bad
indigo sun
We said that already
paper oriole
tbh i want local voice chat as an option because all the screechers that'd use it and you could hear them static scream in their mic at you while you attacked them
i hope thered be a cross species option too so i can hear the salt from juvie rexes i kick as a galli
random forge
it would make alot of sense if you could hear ONLY your grp members, and not randoms
betrayal grp members are the lowest of lows
dont do that.
lament thorn
dont trust people
random forge
could you tell me your ign ? so i can avoid u 😂
paper oriole
/bites big, burly rex
rex: ear piercing 9yr old screeches
random forge
you would be surprised by the amount of 50y who play rex
theres alot of them ! i rarely meet 8y in voice chat
lament thorn
the moms dont let them
steady cosmos
Young people dont like to play this game
random knoll
too much gore
random forge
true that
sick pecan
what’s with isle players and wanting dino dumps
velvet siren
Ye I don't get it either, why not just scent marks for territory?
indigo sun
Cause scat fetishists
umbral prairie
I don't really get what territories would do, they either reveal you to potential predators or drive off potential prey
still temple
it gives an excuse for people that have scat fetishes to live out their fantasies in a dinosaur game
tulip mason
Honestly I do believe dinos should be going to the bathroom as weird as it sounds. It can work with scent. The game scum has such a feature and going to the bathroom is a real inconvenience and can cost your death if you fail to go at the right time.
viral creek
you gotta go when you gotta go
ew
don't shit in my darn water
especially if i'm a deino/sucho
barren zephyr
Poor suchos
indigo sun
Shitting wouldnt be taken seriously at all