general-feedback-discussion

[drowsy heron]

I want to keep trophies of the carnis who thought they could take me

[paper oriole]

keep utah heads impaled on my horns

[dull cape]

Knock their teeth out lol

[night mountain]

keep allo heads on each horn and swing your head around to use their axe bite as weapons

seriously tho i want permanent injury to be a thing

a rex breaking its leg should screw it over forever

[steady cosmos]

That would be interesting

but also wouldnt be very fun

[north vector]

updated

reworked the camping issue

honestly

thats something that probably wont get changed without the recode

theres just no benefit to moving

without it feeling forced

[steady cosmos]

until differences in diet and stuff

[night mountain]

I still say bring trikes back full force and let them do anything they want, if servers start seeing almost no carnivores at all then we'll talk

[steady cosmos]

Affinity

other reasons

[drowsy heron]

whats affinity

can I read bout dis

[steady cosmos]

things that will effect your dinosaur in better or worse ways

[drowsy heron]

ah

[steady cosmos]

[drowsy heron]

@night mountain most times I played and broke a leg it was from walking then sliding down a hill with a slow af dino dying of thirst trying to leave the damn beach

[night mountain]

yeah beach spawns suck

the best spawn is the one by trike hill

[drowsy heron]

why is water so far from the beach

sucho is literally a slug it's unfair

[night mountain]

I still think its because devs couldn't figure out how to code river salinity

sucho is getting better soon at least

[steady cosmos]

sucho in general is garbage

[drowsy heron]

also apparently it's against the rules for sucho to escape by swimming? why tho

[steady cosmos]

and no

its not

If you're going to die tho

[night mountain]

gonna briefly be good when fish come out, then go entirely extinct when deino comes out

[steady cosmos]

You cant just camp water and die in it

[north vector]

just dont die in the water

[drowsy heron]

oh okie

[night mountain]

deino is literally going to make the sucho population zero

[drowsy heron]

I play sucho cause I gotta soft spot for water dinos

swimmy bois

[night mountain]

same

bary is more fun imo

[drowsy heron]

I'll try him

[night mountain]

cama is best swimmy though

lol swimming forever

[drowsy heron]

yes

also is it just me or does everyone seem to go north

[night mountain]

north is dead i think

[drowsy heron]

I like to go south but that side of the map on official seems dead everytime

[night mountain]

i never go up that way

[drowsy heron]

hmm

[night mountain]

oh we're in suggestion discussion OOPS

should proly go to general sorry bout that

[drowsy heron]

oof

[night mountain]

sowwy mods

[north vector]

probably as good as it will get

trike really deserves another chance

officials rn are sickening with their atrocious amounts of apexes

[drowsy heron]

I'm gonna play para on official cause I hate myself UwU

[night mountain]

ew good luck

gl on not becoming part of some apexs power fantasy

[drowsy heron]

oh I will lol

[night mountain]

thanks for making a pro trike herd suggestion tho

[north vector]

Thanks if that was directed toward me

Im going to go to bed and do more edits as needed in the morning

I’ll probably make a 2nd version at some point depending on feed back

But i tell you this

I will not rest until triceratops is allowed to herd again

[night mountain]

agreed

[night mountain]

"only 1 group of rexes (3) would be the server limit of rexes"

this is literally the best thing anyone has ever suggested in the history of this discord

[neon tide]

thanks 😄

i felt sad to start a rex, but feels like that's the only option to find so many rexes

*fight

[grand brook]

i mean the idea is good, but you'll have rex mains complaining

[night mountain]

good

they've literally oppressed half the entire roster into nonexistence

well, them and big ol daddy G

[neon tide]

and I suppose that half of the rexes just want the isle experience, don't want necessarily to be rexes. currently if you run into an allo, that is dangerous as hell to most, you just say halleluyah it's not a rex

takes the wow factor away from meeting a rex or giga

[night mountain]

the only thing worse to me is running into a giga since you can't even assride that to death an hour later as a small tier

RIGHT

they say the game is "survival horror" but running into rex and giga is just exhausting

it'd be like if in silent hill pyramid head jumpscared you in every damn room

[neon tide]

yea the wow factor tend to be a "not again" factor now

yea you just know that in the middle of the night a gamma abuser chinese rex will find you, and it's just a matter of when.

[night mountain]

imo slap in the new apex stego, inject shants and theris, and allow them to all mixpack however they want

I say this 100% unironically

at least things will be something other than "rex and giga simulator 9000"

trike too

[neon tide]

they would snowball other carnis too

[night mountain]

good, if it takes out dilo in the crossfire all the better

[valid zephyr]

@night mountain monster it would be an interesting experiment for a week, but isn't the answer to the apex problem.

The apex problem would be solved by fixing AI

[night mountain]

oh yeah agreed

fix ai make it ESPECIALLY not spawn near adult or even sub apexs

[valid zephyr]

a cheap AI fix would be make AI only spawn near juvies or small tier carnis

[fathom idol]

If you take out rex and giga they are just gonna hop on Allo and Dilos. Jenkens is right, it doesnt solve anything. Gameplay needs to change, but discussions are useless because we dont make the game 😉 The devs do what they want to do with the game, not us

[valid zephyr]

trouble is the salt we would get in return, as the community is now spoilt with rex and giga taking 40iq to grow

anything returning carnis back to balance will see resistance

[fathom idol]

I think for every carn species there must be at least 2 herb species, and im not talking about small stuff like Dryo, but more mediums and more large ones

And lower the times to grow those herbs

[valid zephyr]

some more herbi apexes will help, as once people have played trike to death they have no other options

[rigid tartan]

they don't need a.i fixes or anything like that it should be as simple as apex has to be earnt. u can't just login and grab one then afk it. make an actual requirement for one. it will clear them up. and apex players will be less likely to fight in risky conditions like 3v3 trike vs rex because they might lose 1-2 of their own.

[fathom idol]

I think one of the mayor issues with the game is that herbs need to be weak to serve as a dinnerplate for almost every carn. If its too strong, they are just gonna complain about it here untill its changed. It happened to Para in the past and im sure it will go the same way with Stego. He cant be stronger then Allo because the allo players WANT to be able to kill the steg because its realistic 😉

[rigid tartan]

that's not an issue it's intended crazy.

[barren zephyr]

"realistic" lmai

[valid zephyr]

I agree apexes should need to be really tough to get

[barren zephyr]

lole

[valid zephyr]

trouble is half the playerbase wants herbis to be fun and engaging experience, while half wants them to be a free meal

[fathom idol]

2 or 3 allos against one steg, sure, why not, force people to play together to bring down larger prey items. But a said, single allo vs one steg is bad news for that allo in my opinion

[rigid tartan]

that's not realistic crazy and I doubt that will happen
now 3-4 allo vs a steg that makes more sense

[hoary ocean]

tentacle remove that pepega suggestion

[valid zephyr]

imo herbis have been decided on as playable, and so they should be a good and fun experience. If herbis were meant to be free lunch, they would have been made AI

[rigid tartan]

nobody wants them to be a free meal. just some people realise they are and some are dreaming of a herbi master race

lol

[valid zephyr]

master race and current state are different though

also tbh herbis themselves are fine currently (mostly)

[fathom idol]

Im not dreaming of a herbi master race, never did, but sometimes the carn players get things done SO easy while we herb players must be begging on our knees

[valid zephyr]

the issue lies with carnis being too easy

All a rex is right now is afk in bush for 7 hours

[rigid tartan]

herb is easier than carn that's why theyr so much more boring and socially dependant...

[valid zephyr]

it's not easier right now though

right now carnis are a joke to grow

[fathom idol]

To be honest i dont think herbs are boring, in fact, i love that cat ,n mouse play - hiding for carn players, never know what you find around that next corner

[barren zephyr]

its not pepega of we all agreed on it

[valid zephyr]

and hard to be socially dependent when no one plays them

[hoary ocean]

all as in just 8-9 people

[rigid tartan]

I really don't understand herbi players. they say it's boring at the moment so when u call it boring they go well actually I find it fun. where's the problem

😂😂

[valid zephyr]

what herbi players want is a viable experience where we stand a good chance of fighting off the equivilent carnis

but currently if you're trike you have to fight like 7 rexes

[fathom idol]

I feel herbs are more social. If you find some they almost never go for you, its the other way around with carns; they try to hunt you if you are not part of their pack. Herbs also feel better for nesting

[rigid tartan]

which u do... problem is herbi's think "i should be able to fight off 3 allo's on my own" or crazy shit like that

[valid zephyr]

what herbis don't want is to be a snack where your only purpose is to die

[night mountain]

"tentacle remove that pepega suggestion"

wat

[valid zephyr]

I never suggested fighting off 3 allos solo

[rigid tartan]

herbi's have a viable experience, but that one is definitely not a solo one.

[night mountain]

thats a legit suggestion lol get people out of their comfort zone

[rigid tartan]

if you choose to play solo, dont complain when you get 2v1'd lol

[valid zephyr]

I think that para should lose to allo narrowly in a fight, but be slightly faster so they need to ambush to catch it.

[barren zephyr]

tfw herbis are rarer than hypos on official

[rigid tartan]

i've beaten allo's as para. 1on1. i dont see the issue there

2on1 fine im dead as is tradition

[valid zephyr]

It's a group experience, and there is no longer a group

carnis have more social experience now. finding a pack of 15 allos is a joke

[rigid tartan]

thats not the games fault you dont have a group of herbi friends tho

[valid zephyr]

I think the main fault right now, causing most of the issues is simply the ease of growing apexes.

If you make them more difficult to grow, there will be less of them and more other species.

[hoary ocean]

Even if it was a legit suggestion. It won't happen. There is no point. If it does, it will only allow Trikes to realise they are now the stronger Dino throughout the entire map. Some people crave power and they'll do anything to become a destructable force.

[rigid tartan]

there wont be less of them, as they are "more" fun. they have the "go kill stuff" game style. which 90% of players prefer

thats how it will always be unfortunately.

[barren zephyr]

its funny cause the last time i was playing as diablo in us servers with a herd i met 15 man allos

[valid zephyr]

There used to be less of them in prog, as they were so difficult

[barren zephyr]

they slaughtered us all yikes

[valid zephyr]

making them more of a challenge will mean less people manage to reach adult

[grand brook]

"herbs need to be weak to serve as a dinnerplate for almost every carn"...wut

[barren zephyr]

bruh moment

[grand brook]

mega bruh

[valid zephyr]

If I can reach rex adult it's too easy. Quite simply i'm a bad player, and don't even have directional sound. Yet these days I can grow a rex like it's a joke.

[rigid tartan]

@valid zephyr but why punish the majority of the player base because a select few are butthurt over their dino's?

again. i already said apex's should be earnt not just main menu selected

[barren zephyr]

now thats carnivore propaganda

[valid zephyr]

How is that punishing? Larger more powerful creatures should be more of a challenge to grow. That isn't punishing people, it's logical.

[barren zephyr]

honestly majority is crying rex mains

[valid zephyr]

Otherwise you may as well have one tier of dinos.

[barren zephyr]

cry baby rexes🍼

[rigid tartan]

its punishing because herbi's and carnivores are honestly on their own as playable characters. pretty balanced. its just people get salty when their 3 man group is killed by a 15man group of whatever the other side was. and that will always be a scenario lol

[barren zephyr]

got a boo boo from.a herb :(

[grand brook]

put it simply seeing an adult apex should be a something not often seen by most, tigers are not in every corner of their habitats

[night mountain]

"pretty balanced" LOL

[barren zephyr]

Omg i cant wipe this herd cause they have a trike! dondi nerf trikes and make them unable to mixpack

[rigid tartan]

@night mountain every herbi can 1on1 its carnivore counter part pretty evenly? you dispute that? lol

[night mountain]

yes

[rigid tartan]

then gitgud

[night mountain]

look at server populations

[barren zephyr]

allo has it easier to fight a para

[night mountain]

herbs are almost nonexistant

[barren zephyr]

[valid zephyr]

Herbis used to be popular, so it's not impossible to have them popular again.

[barren zephyr]

herb rights!

[rigid tartan]

omg server population has literally nothing to do with how the dino's fair 1v1 and everything to do with play style

herbi play style is more niche than carnivore simple.

thus more play carnivore

[barren zephyr]

oh yea lets buff rexes more

[night mountain]

im not talking about deathmatch im talking official servers

[rigid tartan]

so am i.

[barren zephyr]

it totally does not matter. kek

[valid zephyr]

most people play carni yes, but the if most people were smaller tiers it wouldn't be so much of an issue. The problem is most of the server being a seething mass of rexes

[night mountain]

You're right herbivores magically vanishing overnight after the trike rule was probably just because they fell out of popularity.

[valid zephyr]

it wasn't a problem on thenyaw due to there being less hidy spots to afk

[rigid tartan]

you think even bigger groups of allo's cera's and utah's would be an improvement for herbies? lol

[barren zephyr]

or gigas

[grand brook]

the reason you see carnis everywhere is because people tend to prefer that gameplay, couple that with ai that makes growing one easy and the fact that herbivore players get killed by the already established carnivores and you have an unbalanced ecosystem

[night mountain]

i mean yeah fixing ai is the better solution overall

[valid zephyr]

herbis were more popular when they could group with trikes

[night mountain]

at the very least make literally no ai spawn near a sitting carnivore

bam, easy

[valid zephyr]

lying in a bush for 7 hours as avas spoon feed you shouldn't be how rexes are grown. how can anyone dispute that

[rigid tartan]

the only reason the "eco" system is unbalanced is because the carnivores out number the herbi's you can call "balance" and shit all u want but thats the simple truth herbi's being outnumbered. unfortunately nothing is in place to control that, and punishing carnivore players isnt the answer

[grand brook]

herbies need different buffs, not in stats necessarily but in gameplay. Lower growth times, local chat perhaps....however affinity should come first to counter herbie death squards

[valid zephyr]

herbis had local chat, but it got removed

[rigid tartan]

@valid zephyr how do u intend a rex should be grown when its uselsss until what like 4hours in and you have aggro herbies everywhere lol

and growing a juvi trike is any different? hide and sit in a bush that you literally are eating

xD

[jovial moss]

local chat herbs > non local chat herbs because at least when using local chat you can hear them, now they just all join discord calls and make absolutely no noise

[valid zephyr]

You should move around looking for corpses, AI should be randomly spawning around certian places and you roam to find them

[rigid tartan]

agree'd ingame speaking needs work

a.i doesnt spawn randomly it has terrible coding and only really spawns if you're sat still

[valid zephyr]

herbis are getting specialised diets that they have to migrate to find

[grand brook]

correct

[barren zephyr]

juvie trike starves in 15mins 100% and is slow as fuck do you think its easy to afk as trike lmao

[grand brook]

the life of a hunter ain't an easy one

food doesn't come to you

nor it stays still

you have to hunt it

[valid zephyr]

AI should fight back too

[rigid tartan]

@barren zephyr i do it all the time :^)

[jovial moss]

If they made juvies actually viable to run away from preds then maybe juvies wouldnt have to sit in trees for 4 hours

[barren zephyr]

ai should roam the map ugh

[grand brook]

ai much like plats should appear in some habitats

[rigid tartan]

making a.i roam the map only increases the work load on the server

enjoy yoiur lag

[night mountain]

i will if it fixes thing

s

[grand brook]

so how come every other game can have ai based on location and yet this one can't?

[barren zephyr]

making ai roam the map means 200+ servers wont have ai issues

[rigid tartan]

again, all arguments being made here are pointless as the recoding isnt even done yet

[valid zephyr]

herbis are getting specialised food they have to migrate for? you seriously think carnis should have an easier time eating than herbis?

[barren zephyr]

ai roaming is confirmed

what are you gonna do about it lmao

[grand brook]

i mean i'm all for herbie diets, 100% on that

[rigid tartan]

which makes sense.. i meant right now if they had it jesus

[barren zephyr]

are u a carni main by any chance

[night mountain]

yes

[barren zephyr]

Sniff sniff

[night mountain]

i can tell

[barren zephyr]

i meant slayer

[night mountain]

rex, by the smell of it

[barren zephyr]

i smell a carnivore bitch ugh

bc it feels like it

[valid zephyr]

i'm all for herbi diets encouraging certain herbis living in certain areas too.

but carnis should not be able to lie there semi conscious as avas walk into their mouth.

[rigid tartan]

eu2 i mainaly play trike, eu1 i stick to carni. depends what my mates are on tho usually

@barren zephyr it may feel that way im just not being biased.

[barren zephyr]

loll

no one plays on eu2.
nice try

[hoary ocean]

no need to segregate the community just because they play another specie

[rigid tartan]

well.. i only play official soo what u think i do when eu1 is full arcia

😄

@hoary ocean agree'd

[barren zephyr]

not biased at all
i play both
i just started to realize how raped herbs get

same

[valid zephyr]

I only play official, and it's gone downhill gradually since prog days imo.

[night mountain]

imagine spawning in as a juvi para

[barren zephyr]

literally only carni strains

[rigid tartan]

@barren zephyr but they dont 1on1.. unfortunately the situation where you're a lone herbi vs more than 1 carni is frequent. but thats not the games fault

[barren zephyr]

mhmmh

not saying that

[valid zephyr]

before we had fun herbis, tons of action, and rare apexes.

now we have a massive map which spoon feeds all carnis so it's just a mass of rexes

[barren zephyr]

balance is the issue

and ai

[hoary ocean]

herbivores actually surpassed the carnivore playerbase at a time, so they are definitely important to the Devs, if anything, Herb's upcoming things are probably kept more secret due to the amount of players it wields

[barren zephyr]

imagine getting a beach spawn as a herbivore or having it rain at 10% hunger carnis have no issues with those

give bushes 1 call

[valid zephyr]

if herbis get an endgame goal i'm going to eat my damn words

[rigid tartan]

@barren zephyr do you not know the map or do u just not know what the bushes look like lol

[fathom harness]

I've has that happen to me @barren zephyr

When its night on thenyaw and raining.

[valid zephyr]

I remember when i joined and I was a little goose following a stego round as it taught me to play

[fathom harness]

Or even night on the darker parts of V3.

[hoary ocean]

dondi loves giving surprises, so I wouldn't have any doubt on herbs receiving nothing development wise

[valid zephyr]

and we joined a massive herd

then spinos kept picking us off

[barren zephyr]

i know the map but bitch there arent any bushes at beachspawns its not even close

[rigid tartan]

lol....

u just run near twins or golf

depending on what side of the beach u spawn

herbie hill is literally at the beach

[barren zephyr]

the closest bushes are at pit twins is too damn risky cause all the salty carnivores mains camp there

[valid zephyr]

i usually end up running to death pit and the trees always speak dilo on the way

[rigid tartan]

too scared to go find bushes. but complains theirs no bushes. ok i got it

[barren zephyr]

[night mountain]

make ai only spawn right in a theris face

same thing right :^)

[valid zephyr]

ran from murkey to death pit as a fresh spawn dibble: too scared to find bushes

[barren zephyr]

imagine being forced to go into a warzone

[night mountain]

come and get it

[rigid tartan]

arcia you're afraid of dino's that 1. are probably not even there. and 2. might just not see you 😄

[night mountain]

not everything is an empty server like eu2

[barren zephyr]

i loled ngl @night mountain

[rigid tartan]

meh dont play it unless its 30>

[fathom idol]

Im on Eu2, i was on Eu2 all day with friends yesterday, and we had great fun - so empty servers dont have to be boring if you travel etc

[rigid tartan]

@fathom idol its ok theyr just grasping at straws to enforce a moot point

[night mountain]

Oh nothing wrong with an empty server, im just saying it doesn't really tell you much about the state of things as a whole

of course growing whatever is easy if you go to a server that quiet

[rigid tartan]

it tells you the devs are busy with the recode and havent released any updates so most people are bored.. tells you nothing about the stat of the game 😛

state*

it will be fine

[pale prairie]

so basically copy PoT? @lone hatch

[fathom idol]

Im not gasping at straws dude, its what you do what matters on a server. Of course its gonna be boring if you keep on sitting in a bush 24/7! I love to roam V3, even if i know it stone by stone. Just enjoying the map design, hunting some AI and maybe see some other dinosaurs - friendly or not. Theres days I can be salty about dying, but thats more because I might get pissed at myself not listening to my inner gut feeling. And I suck at fighting anyway, so yes, thats why I also love playing herb more then carn, so i can RUN away instead of fight

[valid zephyr]

I just miss when finding a big herd to run around it was a common occurrence.

And when the larger creatures in the herd could protect the smaller ones.

[fathom idol]

Me too...

[valid zephyr]

carni players were just salty herbis wern't just a free meal, so they complain.

[sick crescent]

Love it @jovial moss

[jovial moss]

❤

[fathom idol]

Or this... as the rules are now, were never going to see big herds like these again, EVER

[valid zephyr]

that is like 2 giga bites from death. never all camp on top of each other.

[fathom idol]

Yes 😉 But it was more about gathering and sitting together being social

[valid zephyr]

if trikes could mixherd then at least some people would play herbi and form herds

the herds always formed around trikes

they were the glue of herds

[fathom idol]

These screens were made when Para was still a very decent dinosaur, before he got all the nerfs.. :/ So..its not just the trikes who made the herds great

[valid zephyr]

Para is decent now imo

it can kill allos

imo it should be a bit faster but a bit weaker

[barren zephyr]

it suffers from nasty side effects

its not strong enough

[valid zephyr]

yeah its bleed and stam is stupid low

its stam takes a stupid amount of time to come back

and its bleed heal can leave you there sitting for 20 mins

[fathom idol]

He's canon fodder, indeed

[valid zephyr]

i'd rather see it get faster stam regen and bleed heal, slightly faster speed, and reduce the damage a bit

[barren zephyr]

healing from an allo bite is so painful and annoying

[fathom idol]

But hey, he's a herb and herbs are food so dont complain as some certain devs would say

[barren zephyr]

it wont take long for a another carnivore to show up while ur bleeding

and its trot is atrocious

[fathom idol]

oldshantanimations

[barren zephyr]

same with its trot turn and alt turn. allos can doom paras easily of they get behind it

[valid zephyr]

every fight i've seen for a long time results in para winning

we had 1 adult and 2 fresh prog paras. fought off 4 ceras and made them flee. Then while we were bleeding an allo pair showed up and we killed them both.

[fathom idol]

Ceras are really not THAT strong anymore.. Allo group can be leathal tho, base damage AND bleed on top

[valid zephyr]

ceras really arn't great.

paras main issue is just its stam regen and bleed heal

they make it not fun to have to lie there for huge periods of time

[fathom idol]

Danger is when youre already low on stam because of the fight, then run away and need to recover while that said Allo is still around. All he has to do is follow your scent and trott you down, no efford at all

But same goes for Giga too to be honest, ive hunted many allos who ran themselves out of stam

[lone hatch]

@pale prairie i dont care about pot 🙃

[pale prairie]

huh, so you think it's ok to blatantly "steal" other projects ideas?

[fathom idol]

@othergames

[lone hatch]

I dont know what are they doing in pot

[fathom idol]

@lone hatch Caves will be a thing in the Isle, and lava tubes

[lone hatch]

@fathom idol cool

[pale prairie]

however, there will be no "home" caves, or at least i hope there won't be.
it's funny, the isle community is always complaining about bob stealing TI's ideas, which is true.
but then they turn around and propose we do the same

[fathom idol]

I think its just overall hard to come up with NEW stuff without looking like the other game. Its almost the same with movies nowadays... theres always that "oh ive seen this thing before !! " in your mind

[pale prairie]

mhm

[lone hatch]

If it bother you I can delete suggestion.. I play isle for 2 years and not gonna change that

@pale prairie

[fathom idol]

If im looking at suggestions, the ones who stand out for me are the ones made by Kingjaffad, so im kinda hoping some of those will make it into The Isle after the recode is done

[jovial blade]

I mean caves is apart of the environment

Its not up to bob to copy right natural environment

[fathom idol]

Personally, I see BoB as more kiddo friendly, Pot might be something in between and the Isle will be hardcore, for a more mature audience, more horror oriented

[barren zephyr]

@valid zephyr
Why nerf the damage? Allo and para is still fair.

I like the other half of the suggestion lol

[valid zephyr]

So far para seems to beat allo a lot, and with increases stam and bleed res it would push it even more

I think it should be a tough fight, but allo should win 60/40

[barren zephyr]

I think para's speed is okay... but you need to make it more powerful

so it can defend itself from allo, while having to flee from apexes

or at least force allos to group to take a para down

perhaps locational could make the para kick stronger if hit in the right place

kicking the head or spine could be interesting

so something smaller than a para is at high risk of dying if it's not careful

and something as big is gonna be a "better run away" for the para

jenkens i would have agreed with you but like para is hard to even manage a good fight with an allo with

i killed all paras i saw as allo ever since it got nerfed and i still do have an easy time with them

Stam regen and bleed heal is definitely needed
but I'm more for a more powerful para than a faster one

If it's faster then it can try to run down allos while a stronger one would make allo think twice about attacking a para when alone

it's fast enough to run from Apexes, but shoudl be strong enough to prevent a lone allo from thinking it's free meal

old para when it could take on 3 allos and punish them if they werent tactical was the best

current para is just cringe

[steady cosmos]

Old para was faster than dilo

[barren zephyr]

Old para raped allos

yea that was the only thing wrong about it

Dondi once played an allo and got fucking ran down like a dilo being found by a maia

the speed was the problem, not the strength

then he nerfed para to the ground lol

[steady cosmos]

yep

[barren zephyr]

i remember taking on 2 adult paras as carno when para was shit and winning

solo

[elfin oyster]

Frankly paras are pack Dinos so they shoulnt be that strong

[steady cosmos]

Pack?

[elfin oyster]

In reality

[steady cosmos]

pack

[barren zephyr]

pack/herd dinos dont work for herbivores my dude

carnivores outnumber them too much

[elfin oyster]

Have you seen the Huge ass packs at great falls?

[barren zephyr]

they should be viable solo

i go to great falls and HH sometimes seeing more carnis then herbis there

[steady cosmos]

I hope ai changes will fix carnivores

[elfin oyster]

Last time i was there, it was around 30+ herbs

[steady cosmos]

at least by making it harder to get to adult

[barren zephyr]

para is a bigass creature anyway

[elfin oyster]

And allos should def be able to take down a para, theres a reason why its called the lion of the jurassic

[barren zephyr]

elephants live in herds but that doesn't mean an elephant loses to a tiger or a bear

[elfin oyster]

Herbs should be punished for going solo

[steady cosmos]

eh

[barren zephyr]

allo is overrated as fuck for being generic theropod ngl

[steady cosmos]

Herbivores are punished for going solo

And i sure hope allo gets impact damage nerfed

[elfin oyster]

I find allos somewhat weak tbh

[steady cosmos]

They arent

[barren zephyr]

fuck off wit dat lion of the jurassic shit it just means its less evolved than everything else lmao

para: 6 tons
allo: 1.5

[elfin oyster]

I always see the allo get ass facked

[barren zephyr]

sorry for being toxic it just made me pissed

[steady cosmos]

Most allo players are either new or braindead

[elfin oyster]

Kinda my point of the allo, i think it should get a speed boost

[steady cosmos]

same with apex players

because ai allows them to grow in the background while nobody's on

[elfin oyster]

Not talking about dmg. Allis should at least a bit faster

Allos

[steady cosmos]

Its speed is fine

[barren zephyr]

the only use for a herd is to try to run faster than the guy next to you, not than the predator itself

why should allo be faster

[steady cosmos]

I think allo needs a slight ambush speed nerf

[barren zephyr]

so "para being a herd animal" doesn't really apply

its what allo actually deserves @steady cosmos

allo
faster
look, it's alredy too good, we don't need it to get faster

[steady cosmos]

its sprint speed is good for it

[elfin oyster]

At best its an okay dino, nowhere near OP or too good

[steady cosmos]

but its ambush is p much a deal sealer on trying to escape

[barren zephyr]

allo is too good

its a jack of all trades

[elfin oyster]

Allos were generally solos in real life though, if they go solo in the isle they die quickly

[barren zephyr]

it peforms everything pretty godly even tho it should be decent at everything

[elfin oyster]

Ive seen allos go in colossal groups because they get fucked otherwise

[barren zephyr]

... they dont

allos fuck up ceras and carnos badly even in packs

[elfin oyster]

Yeah cera and carnos sure

[unborn quail]

[elfin oyster]

But carnos are hard as hell to catch anyway

[barren zephyr]

allo mains need to be killed desperately

[short bone]

Get more admins, to few admin online at times? Any1 agrees?

[steady cosmos]

Carnos are surprisingly overconfident

they walk too much

and get caught within allo ambush

[barren zephyr]

i mean do you know how slow carno regens stam

[elfin oyster]

Carnos are idiots, a Group always tries to kill me when im a giga

[steady cosmos]

Had an allo pack once

carno pack decided to take us on

one of them got raped because he lost a rex (which was out in the open, so he was blind)

the others we eventually caught because they didnt run enough

and momentum fucks you over

[elfin oyster]

How do you Lose a Rex anywhere, even in a forest

[steady cosmos]

ikr

its offtopic now

@short bone I kinda agree

[short bone]

Always when i need admins there is no1 online

And then the rule breakreakers dont get any punisent

Punishment

[finite perch]

its intentional on the rulebreakers part

[valid zephyr]

@elfin oyster herbs should be 100% viable solo, as there are not enough herbi players to form herds reliably

[elfin oyster]

I think that there are, Never had an issue with it

[valid zephyr]

if you have 10 allos vs 1 para on the server, and all the allos are viable solo while the para needs a herd, why ever play para

[elfin oyster]

There should never be 10 allos in a pack

[valid zephyr]

I rarely see more than 4 or 5 herbis in one place, but can find max size allo packs without fail

allos can pack up to 15

[elfin oyster]

Which is retarded

And very unrealistic

[valid zephyr]

and often we have to split as we go over the 15 limit

we ended up with 15 in one pack and 12 in another, and had to go different ways last week

had never seen to many

[elfin oyster]

I think the limit should be 3 or 4.

[valid zephyr]

I guess affinity will help decide on that

trouble is if it's limited to 3 or 4 allos, the herbis use that to their advantage and swamp them rather than fleeing

players always seem to try to find the thing they can exploit the most

[elfin oyster]

Sometimes I hate ourselves.-.

[steady cradle]

@night mountain That is the best suggestion I have ever seen 10/10

[unreal moat]

Lol lets wait for 6 more years for affinity so we can play the game

[valid zephyr]

human behaviour and other animal behaviour are so different, and rather than acting as predator/prey, they try to act as two warring factions.

with 90% jumping on whatever side has an advantage which unbalances things even more

[rigid tartan]

the games a dino SIM being played like a team deathmatch. forget trying to change anything with your salt. wait for some updates

[brittle bough]

(idle humming at the many combat suggestions pre-combat rework)

[valid zephyr]

yeah all balance is going out the window with combat and stat updates

I foresee a patch or 3 where balance is an utter shitshow as things are worked out again

[steady cosmos]

@glossy tangle thats a good way to say goodbye to any form of actual fun

[valid zephyr]

i'm torn on multiple dinos per server. i'd like it because somtimes you don't want to throw away your trike as all your friends have gone dibble.

but players would exploit it

[fathom harness]

Maybe have it so you can only have 1 carnivore saved but 2 herbivores saved? A total of 3 dino save slots.

And it saves them in their location too, but you have to log out and log back on to chose your dinosaur.

[grave karma]

whats up with jaffad making good suggestions?

[valid zephyr]

@blazing charm I love it!

my main worry about multiple profiles is people will just make herbis to feed their carni.

[barren zephyr]

whats up with jaffad making good suggestions?
because he always does

it' sjust he kinda took a break a while ago

[fathom harness]

@valid zephyr That sounds like a lot of work to be honest. You would have to grow the herbivore, then walk it to your carnivore, then somehow kill your herbivore, then log out, then log back on as your carnivore, then eat the body if it even is still there.

[grave karma]

maybe like 1 hr cooldown between each profile?

[fathom harness]

^ Good idea.

And you can only save full adult dinos. How's that?

[umbral prairie]

I hope ramming things as a ceratopsian (or anything, but ceratopsians specifically because of the horns) will do damage withour a charge mechanic, but it would still be very cool to have one for increased damage

[fathom harness]

They could add a charge mechanic like the ambush mechanic, with it giving more damage and bleed instead of a speed buff.

[ionic comet]

The charge should have increased damage/bleed or what's the point of using it

[fathom harness]

Exactly.

[umbral prairie]

charge should be faster than normal run, but maybe give your a far worse turn radius

or if you want to turn fast you have to lose speed, like jaffad suggested

[grave karma]

disproportionate stam drain so it cant just be used to get around?

[fathom harness]

That's not bad. @umbral prairie

Carnivores already use ambush to get around. A herbivore charging should have a stamina drain like that of a carnivores ambush drain.

[valid zephyr]

ambush is inefficient to get around. warm up time isn't worth it

[umbral prairie]

except for allo

because it is very fast and long

[fathom harness]

Then that should be the same for charge.

How about the charging herbivore, let's say, Diablo, holds still while holding the Ctrl button for around 4 seconds, then it gets a small speed buff (like only a couple digits) and a large damage buff. It cannot turn much, with having a turn similar to Carno's turn while it is charging. The stamina drain is similar to Rex's ambush drain, except they don't need to sit to regenerate obviously.

[random knoll]

I love you @blazing charm and I now fully respect you forever, 10/10 suggestion

[blazing charm]

Uh, thanks?

[barren zephyr]

Uhhh that was weird

@blazing charm

That suggestion

is holly up

AMAZING

Keep it up all of these great suggestions

[true burrow]

Now time to take the kingjaffad to make my Herrera beautiful

[random knoll]

I like my dibbles ok

[barren zephyr]

he already did

I even helped with it

[random knoll]

Kingjaffad has made quite a few nice suggestions about survival and non survival dinos

[barren zephyr]

but we don't know of the devs even see them

[random knoll]

You can only hope

[true burrow]

Oh

[mental sleet]

the devs seem them, sometimes you get reactions from them.

[barren zephyr]

Punishing mixpackers by making them into manlets? I love it @valid zephyr

[valid zephyr]

Certain groups of people who are all on EU-1 in the morning will all have mini apexes.

you'll be able to see them coming as this rush of tiny rexes and trikes charges you

[barren zephyr]

"they're so cute"

[valid zephyr]

I'm picturing afk growing only having a smaller affinity penalty, while mixpacking has a huge one

so different crimes are punished with differing severity

[coarse rapids]

but what if i like growing my juvie giga by sitting in a tree and not wandering around?

i dont really wanna be noticed-

[valid zephyr]

It doesn't mean a hard and fast rule of afk camp = low affinity, it's more if you search for the optimum preferred prey you get a boost

[umbral prairie]

@valid flower it is a sandbox dino so I don't see why they would balance it until it is in survival, it also doesn't have fish yet so when it was balanced for progression it needed to be able to hunt

also the planned survival spino will be pretty beefy, so even then a skilled spino might be able to take down a trike

[brittle bough]

(continued idle humming, albeit louder, at combat suggestions pre-combat rework)

[grave karma]

also might be buff trike a little too

[umbral prairie]

yeah balance suggestions pre recode don't make sense

they won't balance anything before they add the new systems

[valid flower]

@umbral prairie because I heard that they will rework the spino

and that they should not keep the current stats

its way too op

[indigo sun]

Well theres no point changing the current stats for the sandbox dino. The stats will obviously be changed when it is implemented in survival

Its not staying exactly the same

[umbral prairie]

if you don't know, health, stamina, bleeding and bonebreak will all get reworked so the current stats don't matter

[indigo sun]

Nothing ever really stays the same

[umbral prairie]

everything will need a rebalance

after the new combat mechanics will get added

also afaik locational damage and collision will come with or shortly after the recode so that is another rebalancing reason

[valid flower]

Do you know when the recode will be finished?

[grave karma]

just, dont ask for eta's

[brittle bough]

no etas, people are hoping within a couple of months but thats nothing confirmed by devs

[grave karma]

theres no way to tell

[umbral prairie]

people generally expect late july to sometime in september, but nobody really knows

not even the devs

[valid flower]

I'm guessing september....

[umbral prairie]

because they can always run into unexpected problems

[valid flower]

next year

[umbral prairie]

like looters house getting flooded and setting them back for a whole month

[rigid tartan]

@valid zephyr whats the difference between afk growing and being online at a time when no one is online? doesn't this punish people in unfortunate time zones?

[valid zephyr]

the devs themselves mentioned preferred diets. for carnis too.

and having different types of AI they prefer as well as player dinos solves the no one online issue

[rigid tartan]

@valid zephyr agree'd but still means afk growing will be a thing?

[valid zephyr]

My suggestion is simply adding on to what the devs already stated, so if that's an issue then it's not me you need to complain at.

I've stated before that AI should be in certain areas and roam, rather than spawn around carnis and basically walk into their mouth

to encourage players to roam looking for them

[rigid tartan]

its not a complaint it's just a point showing the holes in the idea lol

[valid zephyr]

that is why the preferred AI, + AI roaming would solve those. It seems there is issue piled on issue, each preventing another from being solved.

[rigid tartan]

yeah its almost like the devs need hard mechanics in place preventing certain play styles

lol

[barren zephyr]

It's not like most of the suggestions here matter anyway since we know all of jack shit about the recode. It's all just grasping at straws and passing the time with fan fiction ideas. The blind leading the blind in a house of mirrors until the devs share something with the community.

/endrant

There's a difference between supporting a shorter grow time and gimping your dino's end result

[rigid tartan]

@barren zephyr agreed

[barren zephyr]

They did indicate that they don't do rng sizes because it'd be a feelbad to be a smol boi. While that would be outside your control, and using Affinity or whatever tends to be within your control, I still think they'd like to avoid the feelbad of having a smol boi, whatever the cause

[valid zephyr]

it's just something that would really discourage things such as mixpacking. non optimal diet would have a very small effect, but massive rule breaches would be really discouraged

[barren zephyr]

I don't agree with discouraging mixpacking in the first place, but if it must happen, I'd rather it be like a proximity debuff that applies to mixed carnis that hang out together that gets stronger over time or something. Definitely disagree with gimping the final form of anyone's dino for mixpacking. Or "non optimal diet". Maybe ya server been quiet all night, so you've had to make do with oros and avas rather than juicy herbies - you definitely shouldn't be punished for that

[rigid tartan]

@barren zephyr indeed, they need fixes that are fair for everybody no matter where/when they play, and hindering a final result based on player count/strict play style really wouldn't be appealing

[barren zephyr]

Precisely

[normal fern]

@coarse rapids or just don't accept the nest invite if you don't want to lose your dinosaur?

[barren zephyr]

"Oi m8, group me"
"I gotchu fam"

random nest invite intensifies
F1
"Fuuuuuuuuuu"

Not sure how often it happens, but it could 🙃

[grand brook]

foward facing eyes are not that common in theropods tbh

cerato, allo, giga...all had and do have in game lateral facing eyes

though making them able to catch fish would still be interesting

[indigo sun]

I dont think the eyes are what would make it a fisher

If i do remember though, it's got a similar upper jaw that some piscivores have

[umbral prairie]

it does have the weird jaw thing, but I don't think making it a piscivore is a good idea

[indigo sun]

It's already got its role

[umbral prairie]

I'd prefer austro as a low tier fisher

[indigo sun]

Oh yes, austro would be lovely

[night mountain]

please no more ripping off jp

SO much of it

[valid zephyr]

why on earth should mixpacking not be discouraged?

[night mountain]

I'd say make an exception for like

scavengers somehow

[grand brook]

like...that's one of the basic rules in the official servers

why wouldn't affinity, something that's mostly made to avoid having to put rules in the first place, punish it

[valid zephyr]

People think trike shouldn't be allowed to mixherd.

People also think carnis shouldn't be discouraged from mixpacking...

[night mountain]

lol

[azure arch]

@valid zephyr That was literally what I suggested

But whatever

[indigo sun]

I'm sorry? Where was that suggestion? I cant seem to find it.

[grand brook]

i really don't see the difference between the Isle's utah and JP raptors tbh

aside from pattern and position of the wrists

[azure arch]

Finding it.

[valid zephyr]

I still think they should be able to click to headbut, but charging should be the main method of damage.

[azure arch]

Looks like I deleted it.

Eh.

Collision damage eliminates the relevance to headbutt

But I guess they could throw something with that headbutt attack thing.

They could catch it on their horns and throw it.

Whatever they're attacking

[violet magnet]

or gouge things with the headbutt

run into a rex and then click, there's now a gaping hole in the rex's side

[azure arch]

@valid flower Not going to lie, that suggestion is kind of stupid.

Female tigers don't have shorter claws than males because they're female.

[valid flower]

Tigers

[pale prairie]

while that's true, look at deers.

[valid flower]

Well

i mean

actually, i dont know

[azure arch]

Are there any triceratops skulls that lack horns

[barren zephyr]

look at most horned herbivores

he said shorter horns

[azure arch]

Regardless, horn customization is probably going to be a thing.

[pale prairie]

ok hold on, look a rhinos

[azure arch]

After the recode.

[valid flower]

hopefully

[barren zephyr]

not hornless

[azure arch]

Probably not going to happen, the horn thing.

The devs don't want people flocking to one sex because it would make the game unbalanced, pretty sure.

People want to play as the bigger or better dinos.

We don't want an isle full of male dinos

Nesting would be rare.

[brittle bough]

i mean, i operate under the assumption that all dimorphism would just be aesthetic, not affect stats

at most the smaller sex would have the advantage of a smaller hitbox i suppose

[azure arch]

But lower stats.

Look at pteranodon

They aren't making the females crestless or smaller

as how they'd be IRL

So

[barren zephyr]

what if its a bit smaller

[azure arch]

Probably the only difference would be colors.

[brittle bough]

i was referring to dimorphism suggestions.

[barren zephyr]

it wont be that much of a downgrade

[azure arch]

Then what would be the point of it^

[brittle bough]

i also just said that i operate under the assumption that said dimorphism suggestions would be aesthetic only

[azure arch]

If we're going to have sexual differences, how about female utahs be signifigantly bigger?

Raptors, birds of prey,

[barren zephyr]

honestly dimorphism would be an interesting concept

[brittle bough]

id be down for it, but the devs said they dont want to do dimorphism sizing, so eh

[azure arch]

The females are much bigger.

Yep.

So that's that.

[brittle bough]

then why are you talking about it lmao.

[azure arch]

Because some guy suggested it

Do you just talk in here without reading suggestions?

[brittle bough]

i dont see any recent dimorphism suggestions. how far up am i meant to scroll to find whatever youre talking about.

[azure arch]

He deleted it

[brittle bough]

wasnt that suggestion just horn size anyway, not entire body size

[azure arch]

Horn size = dimorphism

[brittle bough]

do you just talk in here without reading suggestions lululul

[azure arch]

He said it based on gender.

[brittle bough]

but horn size =/= entire body size.

[violet magnet]

someone somewhere suggested making male rexes bigger than females, i think...?

[azure arch]

Pfft

For all we know, the females could have been larger.

[brittle bough]

you could have the whole body be the same size and have the horns be a bit shorter. thats what i figured he meant.

[azure arch]

Dinosaurs are closely related to birds of prey.

But they are also related to reptiles.

Only things they have in common with reptiles is scales and teeth.

Even then birds have scales on their legs.

As I said before, in most birds of prey, the females are larger and sometimes even dwarf the males.

Everyone's for it until they find out that females could be bigger.

[brittle bough]

cool

[violet magnet]

if any one sex is bigger and heavier it'll affect their stats which will make the bigger sex stronger than the other one, so everybody'll play the bigger one

[barren zephyr]

@azure arch

a better suggestion

would be

to hold right click

to move your head

in a direction

with certain limitation or speed

kinda like dragging the head

The harder you gore, the more damage and bleed it does

The deeper you go too

[brittle bough]

heres another

suggestion

shift+enter

is your friend

[barren zephyr]

@dapper cargo Yeah, what a joke 😠

[umbral prairie]

great suggestion btw

that would really improve the game, I agree with you

[barren zephyr]

Whos?

@umbral prairie

[brittle bough]

the most recent one

[umbral prairie]

snoobies suggestion is a really good one

[brittle bough]

do you just talk in here without reading suggestions smh

but its definitely not like the devs gave us plenty of warning about the coming content drought, and definitely not like the devs still give us updates on upcoming content via streams, man if they did either of those theyd be anything other than trash

[dapper cargo]

strteams are not content updates

[umbral prairie]

also 'whatever they're working on' lol

[dapper cargo]

streams

[sick crescent]

jaffad

s t o p

making

[umbral prairie]

we know they're recoding right now

[sick crescent]

good suggestions

[brittle bough]

how.. how is seeing new content not updates on new content

pls explain

[sick crescent]

making me cry bro

[umbral prairie]

we know looters house was flooded so they've been set back a month

[brittle bough]

that as well

[sick crescent]

the recode was supposed to be done end of june

[umbral prairie]

we know about the new health, stam, bleed and bb systems

just not how they will work

because maybe copying reasons? idk

[dapper cargo]

Plublished updates

[brittle bough]

so because they dont make entire posts on the updates, and youre too lazy to attend the streams, that means the devs are terrible and provide no insight on new content

[dapper cargo]

im not gonna waste my time watching a stream of some dude messing with animations...

[umbral prairie]

do you expect them to recode 50% of the game and then put parts of that new code as an update? Or what do you mean with 'published updates'

you can't just put in parts of a new code

[dapper cargo]

Its a company creating a product

[brittle bough]

thats animating the new content. and theres been other streams, we saw the new cloud and rain systems.

[dapper cargo]

go for it, try to survive without publishing updates to your community

[barren zephyr]

side-eyes FFXIV

[umbral prairie]

you

can't

put parts of the new code in without trying to combine the two code versions

which would take ages aswell

and waste time

[brittle bough]

snoobie you do know that they physically can not update the game right now without finishing the recode lol. if they update the game, thats wasted effort they could be spending on the recode and the new content. furthermore when they update the current game, they break several other things in doing so.. which is why theyre recoding it.

they informed us there would be no content for a reason.

[night mountain]

snooby isn't wrong on devs having bad communication tho

obv cant update until the recode is done, which is fair

[brittle bough]

eh, ill give them that, but their issues seem more in the lack of updates/patches/content

[dapper cargo]

yes i do understand that. but my point is that they told us they were going to be transparent and update us consistently throughout the recode process. Have they? nope

[night mountain]

^

[brittle bough]

god with that "muh transparensy" thing. they arent transparent because the whole community throws itself into a tissy with every single thing they do lmao

[night mountain]

I get they dont wanna give etas and thats fine but like, they could still give us SOME sort of info

[dapper cargo]

there was literally a whole announcement where they said we are excited to be more transparent with you...

[violet magnet]

they then told us later that they were concerned about copycats so they were going to limit transparency

[brittle bough]

^

[night mountain]

they could still tell us stuff about features we already know about tho

[umbral prairie]

I don't know what exactly that transparency would be, I think it would be nice if we knew how much of the code is done, but people would try to calculate when the update comes out, but they can't even say much more

[night mountain]

my issue is moreso almost everything we know is from like random posts in the main chat like 99% of everyone doesn't even see. Seriously just make an announcement of the things devs have already said at the very LEAST

[brittle bough]

a compilation of everything thats confirmed would be handy, yeah

[barren zephyr]

As someone that once put together a "state of MTG Arena development" post, that's a lot of work tbh

[valid zephyr]

yeah you would not only have to find each dev comment, but also that they're replying too

[night mountain]

like 90% of the community probably thinks the recode is way more than it will be because the devs said they'd be transparent on the recode and all they show in streams are like ptera and deino and stuff without saying this presumably isn't coming with the recode

[barren zephyr]

Involved many hours in forum, reddit, twitter, twitch, and discord searches looking for such confirmed statements on what was going on with that game

And they've stated before that they don't have staff dedicated to 'fielding questions', so presumably they don't have someone free to skim the history of every dev's statement on all the platforms they communicate in

[night mountain]

i mean i guess but i'll take literally anything tbh

[valid zephyr]

sad that ask a dev got ended, but i understand why

[night mountain]

theres no way theres absolutely nothing related to the recode they can talk about in a quick announcement

[brittle bough]

at least basic things, like a summary of what affinity is, the fact the combat is being overhauled, the fact that the recode itself will not be noticeable but will allow them to finally start introducing consistent new content and updates, etc.

rather than every single tiny thing theyve said

[night mountain]

YEAh even that would be nice

[barren zephyr]

Affinity may change dramatically between now and implementation. There's already a statement about combat's overhaul isn't there?

[brittle bough]

not a clear enough one judging by the persistent combat suggestions based on current stuff....

[barren zephyr]

I mean, you could staple a notice about pending combat changes to every Isle player's forehead, and many of them will still feel compelled to cry about OP trikes or whatever

[brittle bough]

pfff, fair enough

[night mountain]

I'll take literally anything

even just show a good picture of brachi

-anything-

[brittle bough]

i do think the biggest thing, if nothing else, they should do is explain what the recode is, because by god when the recode patch does arrive and nothing changes the fuckin steam reviews are gonna tank from the pissbabies unless they pack in another post-recode update soon after it that has tangible content

[barren zephyr]

posts pic of Pue with "Pue" crossed out and "Brachi" pencilled in

[night mountain]

People would be way less irritated if they made semi regular announcements even if it was vague stuff they've already shown

lol

[barren zephyr]

As an aside, the "pissbabies" aforementioned are why devs in many games - by far not just this one - tend to be reluctant to give more frequent/detailed updates of what they're working on

Such people will pounce on any little thing they even slightly disagree with, and that can be exhausting and very emotionally draining for a dev

[brittle bough]

aye, i mentioned that earlier, its hard to want to be transparent when the moment you give a taste of upcoming content everyone has some variety of tantrum

[barren zephyr]

mhm

[brittle bough]

refer to: obviously wip spino

[night mountain]

Just ignore those people, it sucks but thats just part of being a game dev

even just this image in an announcement would be fine

[barren zephyr]

I mean, yeah, it's easy to say that. But it's hard to actually practice, depending on your natural response to such criticism, warranted or otherwise

[brittle bough]

^

[night mountain]

spinos an outlier though

[barren zephyr]

Tent, put a Ptera shadow there for extra trollery 🙃

[night mountain]

people are generally cool with seeing new models, i haven't seen anyone really shit on ptera or deino or brachi

or even stego

[brittle bough]

did we see those in the stages of the model itself being made though? if not, who knows how people couldve bitched about it while it was still being changed around

[jolly willow]

@dapper cargo 🤷

deal with it

[night mountain]

or tease with like, this. idk

[jolly willow]

they cant make updates right now

[night mountain]

yeah we saw both deino and ptera unfinished iirc

[jolly willow]

deal with the wait, play a different game

[violet magnet]

ptera has all the animations in a preview on the steam page

[jolly willow]

we've had multiple playables revealed and planned shortly after recode

[brittle bough]

if you scroll up weve already had a go at snooty, their actual issue was with "muh transparency"

[jolly willow]

lol

idk man its hard sharing info nowadays

before they could post freely, now other games sre copying their homework

and thats not cool

[night mountain]

thats why im saying post stuff they've already said that most people haven't seen

[sick crescent]

lol

[valid zephyr]

we've also had comments that the the near future is not planned for playables, but gameplay instead

i don't think we are getting new playables soon

[night mountain]

like tease the new "mystery flyer"

so much good info gets lost forever and no one sees it

[dapper cargo]

@jolly willow in what way is sharing info hard? games do community news updates constantly.

their competitors are giving daily updates

[neat flicker]

@dapper cargo Let me try to answer your statement. There is no paywall for information so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Nitro boosting does not pay anything towards the dev team and it's to benefit the discord itself. There is also no information whatsoever in that channel except other discord users posting non-chalantly about different things, whether it's offtopic, about other games, life in general.

The dev team has announced that they are recoding the entire game over which is going to take a few months
Your post also does not fit into the #general-feedback tab as nothing that you posted was a suggestion. The devs randomly post tidbits of small information, whether it's random or not in different channels, mostly #401464048610312195

[violet magnet]

i mean...to be able to Nitro-boost the server you have to pay actual money to get Nitro in the first place, so...kind of a paywall?

[random knoll]

that dsoent go to the devs tho

it gose to discord

[sick crescent]

Not a paywall if you would get it eventually.

[indigo sun]

I can say with complete certainty that I learned more from the normal discussion channel than the booster chat. All i got from there was dinosauriac saying he came back from the bathroom

[random knoll]

and that

[neat flicker]

That's not a paywall if there's no information..

[sick crescent]

It being like a patreon, see it early.

[random knoll]

all the info is giving out a few days later

[indigo sun]

So its not like it actually matters anyway

[brittle bough]

nines just confirmed that there is hidden information, smh... we are being paywalled

betrayal, truly

[ebon trout]

There is still in fact a pay wall for that channel...You cannot argue against that point....BUT is that channel getting revelations that we do not? Not really the one thing dondi put there he basically said i know this is getting leaked so here you go

[indigo sun]

No. We're literally not getting anythinf

You get more in #401464048610312195 than that dumb chat

[random knoll]

you got the spino that was leaked 10 seocnds later

[indigo sun]

Oh boy one thing

[ebon trout]

I think thats what i said...The term not really 😄

[random knoll]

but that was going to be giving out sooner ot later

[indigo sun]

And nothing else

[brittle bough]

it was a joke because we missed out on the stunning information of dinosauriac coming from the bathroom. lighten up a bit.

[lilac swallow]

From what i heard the booster chat is just an off topic 2.0

[indigo sun]

Yep pretty much

It just moves slower than normal discussion channels

[random knoll]

also there compiters ...are not as high quality

[brittle bough]

they either arent as high of quality or dont offer a similar experience, or both

[neat flicker]

If they posted game breaking update information in that channel, i'd agree that it'd be a paywall, but they don't. It was meant as a reward and a place for people to chill if they boosted the server, the same thing that you can do for every single other discord server, and the money doesn't go to the dev team.

Like Nines said, anyone barely posts there and it's just a offtopic 2.0. The last chatter from today was talking about monitors and before that was a few days ago about random nothingness. You aren't missing anything.

[indigo sun]

Beasts of bermuda is buggy as hell, just a crayola game
And you only have to look at the animations and stuff for path of titans to know its not that great

Competitors arent that great

Maybe its best that the devs dont act like them. And also this community fucking sucks ass so if they gave tidbits of information, people would pick it apart until its dead and insult the quality

[ebon trout]

Well the channel does have a paywall its just fact....The question is are they gaining more info then anyone else

[indigo sun]

Not gaining any info. So theres your answer to that question

[ebon trout]

😄

[brittle bough]

they arent and if they do its leaked immediately, so the paywall is just locking off a slower offtopic

[ebon trout]

I agree that they arent

But to say its not a paywall is disingenuous and does not reflect the definition of the word 😄

[brittle bough]

yes, the channel is paywalled, but the information isnt; thats all the point were making lol

[ebon trout]

I would agree with that assertation 😄

[indigo sun]

I'm jusr glad to know that in a few days, or however long it takes, i wont be missing out on anything in there

[jolly willow]

like i said earlier

sharing info isnt hard, its just that people are copying quite a bit now.

other specific games

[pure copper]

That charge suggestion is hot

[jolly willow]

^

[barren zephyr]

hi someone here ?

[indigo sun]

I imagine that yes, there are people here.

[coarse rapids]

@rotund violet for the ovi suggestion- now you have a reason to have a mate to protect the nest while you get food and water >:>

[barren zephyr]

someone put that in suggestions, I promise everyone will like the idea. Have actual eggs in the nest lol

and eggs that you steal and eat for nutrition or some shit

[subtle adder]

@azure arch So tricerarops doesn't have a neck.
Trice has to waste stam for a mock attack because it can't swing its horns defensively

[indigo sun]

I'm sorry, Baguette were you referring to something like the Nyctasaurus? Cause i dont see why people who make mods (that are, I will remind you, unuseable) are worthy of punishment. What did they do wrong? Why cant people make their own fictional strains in this fictional game? Not like they're of any use.

[barren zephyr]

^^^ true who cares like tf

[indigo sun]

@subtle adder

Oh, love when people don't even bother with a response.

Can I get a reason? Theyre not unhappy with the current strains, they've just had their own ideas that can fit in because of the strains.

[grave karma]

pretty sure baguette means the mods that added all hypers in for player use

[indigo sun]

Mods cant even be used

So whats the point?

[subtle adder]

I mean like the hyper spino mod

People got into the files and made a mod of unreleased content that wasn't meant for players

[indigo sun]

Well what would you suggest then? What kind of punishment?

[barren zephyr]

GIve them a good smack on the buttocks

[subtle adder]

I would say not being allowed to make mods without approval

[barren zephyr]

yea hell no. Anybody should have freedom to make mods and do whatever the hell they want really

[mental sleet]

back then they used keys you needed to ask for.

[indigo sun]

So is the punishment that only those people need the approval?

[mental sleet]

nah

approval's silly

permanent bans are fun.

[subtle adder]

@barren zephyr So I can get into the file and release deino early without the devs permission

[mental sleet]

just ban them for releasing unreleased content.

[barren zephyr]

Honestly I dont know if this is valid cause we dont even have mods my guy

[subtle adder]

I'm saying WHEN

[barren zephyr]

well when

let me know when we get mods

[subtle adder]

if you could not be such a smart ass, that would be great

[barren zephyr]

sorry im smart, my lord

[subtle adder]

Oml i wont even bother

[jolly willow]

Approval is silly, just ban them if they leak

🤷

Leaks happen

[tepid light]

it's more than just "leaks",it's tempering with the game files, basically hacking the game which goes against the ToS. Punishment for these already exist tho

[subtle adder]

Ah ok

[grave karma]

cant mods be technically called hacking tho? 🤔

[barren zephyr]

. . .

[tepid light]

ergh I meant those that get the hypos do it in a shady way

[violet magnet]

petition for someone to make a mod with all the old dino models and their sounds

pls

[night mountain]

Is that possible at the moment

[tepid light]

yes it is

[violet magnet]

some Asian hackers on YouTube have figured out how to play the hypos but that's hacking the game and not a mod

[night mountain]

tbh though either way my view is don't program unused stuff into the game if its so important it not be used or get out.

oh yeah then thats different but like, just fix whatever loophole they're using

[tepid light]

@violet magnet baguette said mod but it's not a mod you're right

[night mountain]

isn't hacking already bannable

[violet magnet]

yep

[tepid light]

ay ay

[violet magnet]

....the code for the hypos is in the base game, without which they couldn't be injected and played, i think?

i know once a hypo is played the code for it is saved somewhere, but idk how because "coding??? hoW DoO??"

[tepid light]

you reffering to the json files, which they dont actually get saved in but we are getting a bit offtopic here

[barren zephyr]

@muted grotto 10/10, would ask people if they wanna know how I got these scars

[violet magnet]

"hey man how'd u get those scars"
"went afk and a galli found me"

[night mountain]

"when you change dinos you spawn where you last logged out of that specific dino" is that not exactly how it works?

[drowsy heron]

How do you change dinos in a server without dying

I was under the impression that you are what you picked till you die and have to start over

[tepid light]

you cant

you used to be able to have more than one account for free using the Family Share feature but it is disabled now

[rotund violet]

@coarse rapids is still funny as oviraptor, get food from eggs very noice 😄

[barren zephyr]

Oviraptor didnt steal eggs though

Aaahhhh

Bruh what dino doesn’t what a chance for a free snack

[violet magnet]

@spiral ravine and once again, if you can't kill it while it's sitting/standing stationary for a full 60 seconds then why were you hunting it in the first place

[lilac swallow]

And im not leaving 20 minutes later due to bleed when i win a fight, if i want/need to logout i should be able

[barren zephyr]

i am sorry i dont wanna lose my 6 hour apex or herbi to something that took way less time to grow

I rather be able to live that out

[lilac swallow]

That true

Seriously, do people who suggest this know people have lifes?

[barren zephyr]

Lol

[valid zephyr]

somtimes you can't afford to sit waiting for 20 mins while you stop bleeding as para after you've killed that allo

as you have to go now

[lilac swallow]

When i play i play average 1 h if someone makes me bleed when i have played 50 min, im leaving 10 later

And many times i cant afford leaving later than planned

[spiral ravine]

@violet magnet u realize that's how dilos hunt, they stack up bleed and wait for the target to bleed out

and if u think most fights only last a minute then ur playing the game wrong

[lilac swallow]

No

Fight dont last a minute

[spiral ravine]

I like hunting apexes as a pack of mid tier and that takes a long time

[lilac swallow]

But if someone who is afk dont die in a minute of being spam bited you better dont try

[spiral ravine]

and then half way through the fight guy logs off

[lilac swallow]

If the Guy stops bite It again

If It dont counterqttack keep biting

[spiral ravine]

have u tried hunting an apex as a carno/allo?

it takes forever

[lilac swallow]

As a solo allo?

[spiral ravine]

in a pack

[lilac swallow]

I doubt a rex survives 1 minute of 4 allos biting continously

[spiral ravine]

u can't bite continuously

[lilac swallow]

If is logging you can

[spiral ravine]

the second bite won't register

u have to go in and out

it's a glitch in the code my friend

[lilac swallow]

And you also have to think of everyone if the giga or Rex wins and needs to logout what does It do?

Wait?

[spiral ravine]

what's winning? if we can still fight did they win

?

[lilac swallow]

If the r x wins=if you are all dead

[spiral ravine]

well most of the time rex logs out when none of us are dead

[lilac swallow]

That doesnt answer my question

A para needs 20 minutes to heal bleed

Im not waiting 20 minutes if need to go

[spiral ravine]

then answer this, is it fair to deprive midtier's right to win?

if ur gonna talk about winning

[lilac swallow]

Is It fair to force people who need to logout to keep playing even if all the enemies are dead?

[spiral ravine]

if ur still bleeding then ur vulnerable

[lilac swallow]

If i need to go i need to go

I have a Life in real life

[spiral ravine]

logging out at any time when ur bleeding is not fair to things that can potentially run into u and kill u

yeah then quick log

if u think ur absolutely safe

[gentle blade]

Seems like an argument because you are upset someone combat logged on you. It sucks, but having a timer on someone who won a fight and is healing is ab it more punishing to everyone in the long run, imo

[spiral ravine]

yes I agree

and Im not suggesting this is perfect solution

[lilac swallow]

You are creating another problem

[spiral pond]

a utah could keep apexes captive forever

[lilac swallow]

A fucking troll dilo could keep my para in game for 20 minutes just for the lols

[spiral ravine]

if u can't kill a dilo in 20 minutes as a para ur already dead

[lilac swallow]

What?

[gentle blade]

I'm with legendary on this; I agree combat logging sucks and arguably a problem, but forcing players to quick log and potentially lose progress is silly

[spiral ravine]

do u even know how much bleed a dilo does

[lilac swallow]

I killed the dilo in seconds but It made me bleed for 20 minites

Reading comprehension pls

[spiral ravine]

if ur bleeding for 20 min I doubt a rex if even alive

and u think thatd be a good time to log off?

after winning a fight

and barely alive

this is a survival game

[gentle blade]

less about 'hey this is a good time' and more about 'hey i have responsibilities'

[lilac swallow]

You think i only logout when i want and not when i physicaly need to?

[spiral ravine]

it is not unfair that u can be killed because ur already wounded

[spiral pond]

thats so stupid

[gentle blade]

never said it was?

[lilac swallow]

Imagine, i have something to do in 5 minutes i start to logout the a dilo comes, no problem i kill It and logout again bit then im bleeding and i cant logout

[spiral pond]

a random dilo ambushes you cause you are logging out as para and bam now you have to wait 10+ minutes if you manage to kill it in matter of seconds

[lilac swallow]

Is not like my Dino will be healed when i come back

[spiral ravine]

ur missing the point

u have something to do irl, fine, leave

but that's not why ppl combat log

and what I'm saying is

there needs to be a mechanism to counter it

[lilac swallow]

Still you "solution" keeps non combat loging people in game

[spiral ravine]

again

[gentle blade]

I agree 70kg, but your solution is not a solution. it's just a punishment.

[spiral ravine]

I don't think it's the perfect solution

[lilac swallow]

Getting a bite and your logout timer restart ok
Bleeding and you cant logout not ok

[spiral ravine]

but try focus on thinking of a way to counter rulebreak instead of attacking me for not coming up with the perfect solution

[lilac swallow]

I just did