Who said:
#general-feedback-discussion
oak shale
Correction
night mountain
Oh yeah im sure people like playing dilo due to its uniqueness of not having a jump
grave karma
why does pachy even have a landing animation?
indigo sun
Herra isnt even meant to be fast
oak shale
it might be
night mountain
lets also make giga not have calls so its more unique
viral creek
As a pachy main, idek why pachy has a jump
barren zephyr
but will it even be playable? if so give me your evidence
oak shale
it’s not definite
barren zephyr
Pachy actually needs the jump
viral creek
I rarely jump ever as a pachy
night mountain
pachys jumps are useless aside from attacking utahs on rocks
barren zephyr
Pachy is like a mountain goat.
jovial moss
I love jumping as pachy but I just like spam jumping in video games altogether
viral creek
Dilo nor pachy need jumps.
azure arch
...
barren zephyr
Its mostly to bully utahs on rocks
azure arch
Did pachys live on mountains?
barren zephyr
azure arch
Did they, ghidorah?
barren zephyr
I am joking
azure arch
They lived on cliffs?
barren zephyr
Its a joke
oak shale
Pachy doesn’t actually have any mechanics in place for it to be like a mountain goat right now king
night mountain
At least we can all agree giga needs a jump
viral creek
it wasn't very funny tho
azure arch
^
barren zephyr
being outnumbered does not mean i am off my point
dilo does not need a jump and its over.
buye
grave karma
still a joke tho
barren zephyr
bu-bye.
azure arch
Bye ghidorah <3
oak shale
King people actually want a mountain goat pachy
night mountain
pachy should be able to headbutt apexs in the cloaca for massive damage
azure arch
We'll continue to discuss the benefits of a dilo jump
barren zephyr
yeah, being a discount utah
oak shale
i thought you weren’t joking
grave karma
pachy should break rex nuts and instakill it
azure arch
Ghidorah, you said you were leaving?
jovial moss
Pachy new apex
night mountain
discount
utah is trash so
better utah
literally the only people who play utah are the erotic roleplayers at the docks
ive seen them straight doing undertale rps in local for hours on top of crates
gritty helm
I just like to bark at everything in sight
night mountain
erotically bark*
gritty helm
while also being in a high place
jovial moss
And then die when a diablo retaliates against their bite and runs and complains to nerf diablo
oak shale
Nasty
oak shale
Nasty
night mountain
i want rex to have a jump, but like if it ever uses it it breaks a leg
barren zephyr
I do not see dilos having a jump at all just due to how the legs look. If so it'd have to be a small one.
Like a little bunny hop?
I agree and disagree with the idea
azure arch
I think maybe a little higher than galli
Just so it can get up on to stuff.
It wouldn't need to have a super high jump because it's legs are rather short
night mountain
the funny part is irl dilo is better built for jumping than utah, iirc
azure arch
but just enough so it could get on top of crates and stuff.
barren zephyr
I wouldn't let it get on stuff.. Not like raptor rock or anything.
Thats pretty high.
barren zephyr
I like the idea with rain forming puddles to drink. At Canyon theres a small puddle you can drink of.
night mountain
thumbs downed by two salty utahs already :^)
barren zephyr
Carnos with how strong their legs are, I can see a jump but idk how itd work.
grave karma
carno can catch some mad air
azure arch
I feel like they'd be really unbalanced
barren zephyr
Mhm
azure arch
They'd land on their faces
night mountain
tbh id love carno getting a good HORIZONTAL jump
night mountain
like it cant get up on shit but you can running jump over a small canyon or something
grave karma
carno but its riding a motorcycle
azure arch
We don't even know if carno had visible arms
night mountain
i love that lol
azure arch
just a sausage with legs
south flower
When I play dilo, I get a more lizard-like feel. It’s too low to the ground and the body shape to me to personally doesn’t seem like the type of creature that can jump. Dilo is meant to be an ambush bleeder, and giving it a jump would just make it less unique to Utah, herra, and other jumping creatures.
At least in my opinion.
night mountain
ironically its less low to the ground than utahraptor
also herra isnt a jumping creature, no one ever uses herras jump
herras jump will straight break your leg half the time lol
azure arch
^
south flower
It’s about anatomy, more than how low to the ground the creature is. I should have expanded on that. The Utah was built for pouncing and leaping, it’s just how the creature was built. I don’t remember anything about dilos being able to leap on prey. If anything I heard that dilos are actually pretty large and hefty critters, and probably wouldn’t jump anyhow.
Now if you could provide physical, anatomical proof or ideas of how a dilo could jump, maybe it would be possible. But the way the dilo is built in game doesn’t look like a creature that can jump. I feel like it’s “front heavy” and doesn’t have enough muscle in the back to support a jump.
Even if it’s a lightweight compared to some other creatures.
fathom harness
Also apologies I meant to ask that question in #general-feedback-discussion
still temple
if IRL anatomy comes into play, utah is much bulkier than dilo
south flower
Well that’s true. And some size differences are a bit off in the game right now.
still temple
*very off
still temple
imo all small creatures should be able to jump
doesn't have to be nearly as high as Utah
a small hop wouldn't hurt
south flower
Mmm I dunno. It just seems like it’ll make creatures less unique to one another.
still temple
makes playing as small tier creatures more distinct than larger ones
with more mobility and agility
fathom harness
The thing with Maia is that if it was both nerfed speed and attack wise it would become extremely less viable. Allo can catch Maia with ambush, since Allo ambush roughly clocks at the same speed of Utah's normal sprint, which is roughly around the same speed as Maia. However if the Maia sees the Allo ambushing and starts running the Allo will not catch the Maia.
I'm not saying Maia shouldn't be rebalanced, I'm saying nerfing Maias speed and attack would be a not-so- good idea.
still temple
Like hell, even Pachycephalosaurus gets a jump
why shouldn't Dilo
Pachy should be the largest creature that gets a jump, anything larger will stick to the ground, and anything smaller should be able to jump/hop
fathom harness
Part of that having Dilo not being able to jump is balance to be honest. That and just flat out anatomy in game.
still temple
not talking about irl Utah though
night mountain
i wanna say theres even argument of it it could jump at all
still temple
If you're arguing for anatomy, then look at pachy
night mountain
im not saying take away utahs jump
fathom harness
Honestly anatomy is a weak arguement, but balance is pretty reasonable.
night mountain
just that theres no reason dilo should be the one small species with no jump
north hemlock
a tiny hop isnt unbalanced
night mountain
how is dilo getting on rocks any more unbalanced than utah
north hemlock
big bruh moment
night mountain
people arent saying give it a huge utah leap
still temple
north hemlock
dilo with a jump would be fun
night mountain
galli confirmed for broken since it can jump, i guess
still temple
I think the reason ppl even argue for anatomy is that TI's dilo is modelled to be pretty gracile
south flower
I’ve heard plenty of people say a single Utah can wreck a Pachy. It depends on how you play it.
still temple
dilo should jump
night mountain
its funny because people say it shouldnt because its too "lizardy" but like
still temple
oro, taco and dilo are the only small tiers that can't jump. 
still temple
"I feel that it's too low to the ground"
north hemlock
what a good boy ;;
still temple
grave karma
taco used to have a jump
night mountain
tbh taco and oro should have jumps too
still temple
Oro as well, but they removed it for whatever reason
Ya know, just to make progression even less fun to play (back in the day)
night mountain
if i was a dev id give oro a HUGE jump to give it -some- sort of niche
south flower
So just to clarify: Your opinion is that anything small in the game needs a jump?
night mountain
I mean the only things that don't are oro dilo and taco, so yes
dont feel strongly about taco though
at least it can burrow
night mountain
that said dryo can burrow and jump too
north hemlock
i just imagined an ava hopping gfdjhg
south flower
Ava does not need a hop. At all.
still temple
Oro should be able to get a decent jump going. taco can do a small hop to get on rocks
night mountain
no one said it did
south flower
You never objected to the all small creatures needing a hop so I assumed. 🤷♀️
still temple
night mountain
baby pue should get a jump
north hemlock
south flower
I know that’s a joke.
still temple
taco jump wen
south flower
Well, even if the devs wanted to give all these small critters jump, I don’t see it happening for a long while, unless they decide to surprise us. They have too many other big things they’re working on.
south flower
I’m still eeeehhhh about it, but we’ll see.
grave karma
but pachy the fatass can
steady cosmos
Pachy isnt long as hell
grave karma
pachy is fat, not long
still temple
still jumps
steady cosmos
It wouldnt be able to jump very high
grave karma
they're long as hell
still temple
no shit sherlock
steady cosmos
well, i assume at least
grave karma
not utah that can jump like 2x its body height
still temple
we're not saying give dilo a utah like jump
south flower
You’re comparing a dilophosaurus to a dachshund...
north hemlock
👊 😔
south flower
Anyway, moving on from the dilo jump argument. I think the reason the devs don’t post much development updates like they used to is because other games tried to rip off the ideas they released.
So they’re limiting how much the public has access to.
north hemlock
why do they not want to get ripped off when they ripped off JP sounds lol
brittle bough
thats a bit different, everything knows/steals jp's sounds lol
still temple
Regarding JP sounds:
Uninspired? yes. Generic? Totally. Lazy? probably. Infringes copyright? nope, Universal can't copyright turtle mating calls.
brittle bough
well, since jp sounds are so well-known, using or basing ti sounds on them helps new players learn to identify dinosaurs by call quicker
night mountain
thats SUCH a bs excuse from the devs tbh. I get it with new content but that certainly doesn't excuse saying they'll be "transparent like never before" and then going like totally silent
same for current stuff theres no reason they can't give updates on how far along stuff is that we already know about
north hemlock
^
still temple
Oof, "transparent like never before" hasn't aged well AT ALL
night mountain
I mean, is technically accurate lol
It kills me because apparently entire streams showing what they're making and how exactly they are making it doesn't help people stealing ideas, but vague statements like "this feature you know about already has been finished" is just too delicate to give out because of copycats
night mountain
Yeah but I'm just saying things like "hey flight mechanics have been fixed" or "recode is going well, ran into a few hiccups but it should be in the next 2-3 months probablyish" or "brachi is ready to go once the recode is out" or something also don't leave a lot to steal.
or even just saying out of the features we already KNOW what will/will not be in
because of the streams I bet most people here think deino/ptera/growth/ all kinds of stuff will be in the initial recode and if it isn't (which im 99% sure it won't be) the gigantic shitstorm that's going to happen here is gonna be totally deserved for them not taking two seconds over the past like 6 months to clarify things.
still temple
kinda hoped dev blogs would've been a thing
guess the devs want to see steam forums and reviews flooded with "where's [insert anticipated creature/mechanic" when the recode is finished
native nebula
We can't know for sure how long things will take, or what will or won't end up being in the recode update, as we're still deep in the process of the actual code rebuild. It'll take a lot of experimentation / testing to find out what ends up working out of the dozens of discussions and ideas we've had. So until we're more certain on what's deliverable the better option is not to give any estimates or concrete promises, which has always been our policy.
night mountain
Does that mean theres at least some level of a chance of any of the things in the more recent streams to make it into the recode then?
valid zephyr
cheers for the update 😃
grave karma
@sick pecan it kinda would
neat flicker
Last I saw was that acro was going to be ai
night mountain
I like the ptera idea but the problem is anything likely to be in there is too big. Dryo is straight up bigger and heavier haha
indigo sun
They might be the same height but there's a huge size difference between dryo and ptera
barren zephyr
Imagines a Petra stocking its head in a burrow and its neck stretching out like a giraffe to reach the back.
That’d be some funky animation.
torpid wedge
wtf is that
clear turret
A bird
umbral tartan
What
finite perch
Its been hinted that some aquatics may be worked on in the future, but as it stands the devs haven't confirmed anything. There will be dienosuchus though, a big ole croc that is mainly aquatic
umbral tartan
I'm pretty sure the devs have hinted several times, however I think ocean aquatics are a bit far off, at least a year, where as deino is like, next patch (recode, still months away)
valid zephyr
deino is not recode. not even close
devs said end of this year or some point next year for deino
neat flicker
@formal vine No troll suggestions allowed
formal vine
I'm serious
The taco hitboxes are broken.
Its really hard to get them dead even with utah or dilo
neat flicker
Oh, I'm sorry I thought you meant as fix it as a playable dino whoops
formal vine
ah its alright
valid zephyr
We know nothing about the strains yet, what they can do, or how to get them. It won't be by just growing them, as the dev confirmed strains don't grow.
formal vine
Yeah but its a generic term to progress
valid zephyr
There will probrably be some extreme series of hoops to jump through to get one.
valid zephyr
I do agree though, i'm concerned about how they will effect the game ecosystem. Carnis get strains, deinos get legendary growth stage, herbis get...
formal vine
everything in the isle as at the carnivore's favor
You need skill to survive as a herbivorus dinosaur which new players lack
valid zephyr
I worry that no matter how hard they are to get, it will reduce herbi numbers even more. It's beating a dead horse now though, as they are so reduced that each server is almost all carnis.
formal vine
herbivores require a tactical advantage against a carnivore
As the carnivore herbivore pop rn in the isle is 2:1
valid zephyr
Even if they are almost impossible to get, the chance it's possible will make even more people play carni to try.
formal vine
When its meant to be 2:2
valid zephyr
2:1? It's more like 5:1 atm
valid zephyr
all the future hinted features seem set to make less people play herbis, and more carnis
it's only going to get worse
formal vine
The isle will lose its thrill of hunting a herd of herbivores as a carnivore sorta thing if everyone plays carnivore
valid zephyr
@teal grotto I'm not sure that would solve it, or if it would just encourage balance to make herbis individually nerfed and useless.
barren zephyr
herbis need some sort of endgame work.
formal vine
Yeah
formal vine
Like a herbivore strain or something
barren zephyr
more like an elder or deviant stage
wintry cipher
It's a matter of the fact people enjoy what they can be the most aggressive with. The herbivores and carnivores can be equally balanced, but you will always see more carnivorous players (or more herbivores if you get instances of the mixpacking mudersquads. Both do the exact same thing so I treat them equally in that regard because it's the same people playing both). The game also seems to have broadened itself, but ultimately it does cater more to a carnivorous playstyle given they continue to make herbs less capable of being overly aggressive and instead potentially gearing them toward simply surviving. There's also the existence of AI to consider that makes the game less reliant on herbivore players and not being reliant on ecosystem balance. It's not exactly a realistic game either.
Since carnivores can just cannibalize each other as well
barren zephyr
So what, Herbivores should still always be a step ahead of carnis stat wise.
Carnis dont kill herbis with their bulk.
they kill with their tools
Herbis should always be stronger, heavier
but lack the tols
tools
Unless you are a Triceratops
wintry cipher
🤷 I'm not a Dev, but I'm pretty sure their reaction would be that if that was put in BEFORE carnivore mechanics could counter balance it, people would switch from carni to herbi to abuse it
barren zephyr
Then that does not change anything.
Why do you think herbis are semi-cerato level of extinction in the game?
Because herds lost their only reliable defense
They can only run
barren zephyr
but most their predators either: outrun them or outstam them
Allosaurus outstams Para.
wintry cipher
Let's take the best herb right now. Why do I not see maias everywhere.
barren zephyr
because maia is overestimated
its bleed resistance is SHIT
2 dilo bites is enough to kill it.
most carnis just need 2-3 bites.
wintry cipher
Two dilo bites can kill most things
formal vine
2 dilo bites dont affect anything if said victim sits down.
wintry cipher
A dilo is also not a danger to a Maia. You can run down and kill them
barren zephyr
dilos are never alone
barren zephyr
a dilo pack can kill a maia pretty easily
formal vine
a dilo would be stupid to attack something at day
wintry cipher
Heh. I was part of a 6 pack and a Maia wiped us out in 15 seconds
formal vine
thats an exagguration
wintry cipher
Never touched dilo again after that
barren zephyr
Your faults for not attacking at the right time.
formal vine
Did you attack in the morning?
barren zephyr
You carni fans are famous for attacking stronger herbis head on and then whining about that.
wintry cipher
We didn't attack it lol. It came at us
formal vine
At morning?
wintry cipher
It was noon. We'd be stupid if we attacked iy
barren zephyr
cough, utahs attacking dibbles just to get destroyed and then whine that diablo is "too OP"
formal vine
You cant give up on playing a dinosaur if another one just KOS you
wintry cipher
Diablo is fine. I've killed plenty and know the risks if I get the horns
formal vine
You should stop playing a dinosaur when you know you cannot play it well
wintry cipher
;)
barren zephyr
Try my trike
try my redx
try my dibble
try my everything
I can easily kill any utah 1v1
because i aint dumb
formal vine
Dilos can assride anything without alt turn, and most servers dont have alt turn atm
wintry cipher
I can kill anything but trikes and allos right now due to the shotgun hitboxes. Also; this is an official balance discussion. Fuck non alt servers
barren zephyr
i have destroyed countless utahs as a trike because they kept charging at me, right when my Stomp hitbox is going. getting one shotted.
formal vine
This is why I'm saying carnivores should be HARD to play
barren zephyr
you cannot kill my rex
formal vine
SKILL based
formal vine
Not luck based
barren zephyr
cough Gigas not relying on their BLEED
formal vine
Herbivores should require KEEN senses to see the carnivore first
wintry cipher
Okay? Cute flex but that was not the topic gidorah
barren zephyr
ok
Imagine having 40 bleed but not using it because you facetank everything/outstam everything that isnt a rex?
yeah thats giga
formal vine
People buy the isle not to survive as the dino, they buy to simulate a hunt.
barren zephyr
overtuned piece o f shit
barren zephyr
Carni players never kill just one herbi.
formal vine
They buy to kill other dinos
barren zephyr
They wipe out the entire herd.
languid ember
You pretend like herbs won’t do that if they can
wintry cipher
That's the way the people are in this game. The most fun I have is wiping out other Utah packs rn
barren zephyr
i am sick of hearing "herbis should be group dependant" you should also realize that the maps in the game are BIG. and its gonna take a big while for everyone to remeet, and since the idea is "herbis suck solo, good group" they'll be massacred by any carnis before they can reach a group. making this whole idea just a way to fullfill your "muh carnis" dreams.
wintry cipher
Is that directed at me?
barren zephyr
At anyone that thinks it, aka most carni players
barren zephyr
It is true.
languid ember
The ones that think so are just a lot more vocal
lament thorn
ok not most but its the loudest players
barren zephyr
You are just making my point
languid ember
Which leaves that impression
wintry cipher
I can agree that herbs should not be group dependent. The issue just comes with you having a very high chance of running into carni groups. It takes EVERYONE time to remeet.
Respawning and regrowing is the great equalizer unless your pachi
barren zephyr
Carnis dont h ave to worry because they are viable solo just aswell.
wintry cipher
Then I pity you
wintry cipher
Herbs have bushes
barren zephyr
herbis with the "weak solo" logic wouldnt do either
wintry cipher
Also; unless you are full adult or a sub rex you are equally fucked
Carni or herbi
wintry cipher
Solo play comes down to stealth in the end
barren zephyr
Well you can easily outstam a para. plus you can just assride it. its stomp is stationary and is only strong by the front, no ones dumb for that.
OH and para isnt any faster than allo
1 km/h of speed more?
pfft
ambushes exist too
with allos 15 second overpowered ass ambush
that might aswell be futile
to run
wintry cipher
It has a minute more of stamina. Though Allo could use a tune down. Now it's like how giga was
It's a god at everything not "GOOD" at everything dino
barren zephyr
a minute more is more than enough.
considering the allo doesnt run a minute before the para does.
wintry cipher
It is. The hard part just comes with the fact people used to use para being a good deal faster to kill allos. So Allo just needs an ambush duration nerf to make them get closer and give para time to see it and run
languid ember
Allo ambush is 12 seconds btw
wintry cipher
Old giga was 13
languid ember
No it was 15
wintry cipher
Bleh
languid ember
If you mean christmas giga
wintry cipher
Glad that's gone
languid ember
Idk about old old shit
barren zephyr
Eugh
That giga was broken overpowered mess
but atleast rexes 4 shotted them
3-4 shotted
and put them on their places
giga now is worse.
Now back to the topic of the discussion
languid ember
I kinda liked it, cause it was kinda overpowered vs mid tiers, but it got outstammed and oofed by rex
Was fun to play
And the hunger
Jfc
You starved so ridiculously fast
Giga life was hard despite his ambush
barren zephyr
rexes suffered more since they were slower than old cerato. stamina didnt mean shit when your prey ran to 1000 miles away
languid ember
It didn’t really suffer that much, cause it completely shat on giga and trike and could live off AI long enough to where it found one of them and ran them down, easy meal
It was complete garbage at hunting but it did survive pretty well
barren zephyr
it survived much more off gigas. nothing else
languid ember
Trike
languid ember
It literally shat on them ghidorah
barren zephyr
they even could run them down
languid ember
When it had the 10% thing
barren zephyr
oh yeah
languid ember
It could facetank 2-3
barren zephyr
the time when rexes could steamroll 6 trikes
wait, we are going offtopic of
i suggest either stopping or changing to a suggestion topic
languid ember
Ye, true
lament thorn
yeh actually how did you guys get here
languid ember
Adult trike is fine animation wise, it just has the allo syndrome, Ik makes it look like a robot
It looked good before Ik
barren zephyr
adult trike's trot kind of annoys me
its sassy but it seems not to fit its bulk and size.
lament thorn
dont discriminate
barren zephyr
why would a trike main herbi lover discriminate trike
j-just not a fan of the t-trot
barren zephyr
okay now that ones true
lament thorn
I think you guys had a little discussion about this early with Adikavitas suggestion but what's your opinion on an Elder/Veteran stage for herbis
rigid tartan
@teal grotto if u make herbie growth timers even shorter you are just asking for more of what already happens.. giant maia herds or w.e rampaging the map killing every juvi and mid tier dino they find
barren zephyr
Yees
valid zephyr
I think the issue it herbis will be having 0 end game content, while carnis will be able to turn into kaiju, and humans will get guns and vehicles.
herbis will just be spawn, eat plant, die
lament thorn
thats one of the reasons i used to play realism
was just to give me goals as a herbi
languid ember
@rigid tartan maia growth is already too short, no need to reduce it
valid zephyr
@rigid tartan how is that any different to massive allo/dilo packs roaming the island killing any juvie they find?
languid ember
But other shit
valid zephyr
carnis don't kill what they need to eat and move on, they wipe the entire herd every time they find it, hatchlings and all
barren zephyr
^
rigid tartan
@valid zephyr who said its not? im just saying his suggestion would be more destructive than a benefit,.
umbral prairie
@rigid tartan Herbis are almost nonexistent on most servers, setting down their growth time would at least give players some reason to play herbi, because right now you can grow a stronger carnivore in the same time and do more with it than sit on a mountain and die. Maia is the exception here because it is very strong and already has a very short growth, if they set down herbi growth I hope they will leave maia growth as it is or even make it a bit longer.
rigid tartan
herbies will still remain with the same problem of "nothing to do but be meals on wheels"
honestly just make herbies A.I
valid zephyr
We've been told herbis will not get strains, but also people keep mentioning magnas not being a strain. So still in theory nothing against magna herbis happening.
so that could be endgame content?
barren zephyr
What the fuck
lament thorn
perhaps in the future on a handful of servers once AI is actually functional
languid ember
umbral prairie
make herbis ai
valid zephyr
herbis used to be super popular before the constant nerfs. In progression half the servers was herbis
umbral prairie
because the prog points for them were lower
valid zephyr
making herbis AI is an awful suggestion and would piss off a lot of players.
lament thorn
God i miss prog
umbral prairie
I don't really
rigid tartan
god sarcasm really is wasted on the EU
umbral prairie
it was cool then but I wouldn't want it back
random knoll
i remember getting large ass herds of trikes and just nesting and getting in fights with rexes
random knoll
i find hebri nice to nest and such but other then nesting and herding there isnt much to do
and when there are hardly and herbis its hard to herd
rigid tartan
the sad truth as it is, is herbies are pointless lol
lament thorn
begone
random knoll
no herbis have a reason
umbral prairie
right now herbis don't have much to do
random knoll
i liked getting into big ass herds but most of the time they get wiped
umbral prairie
it would be better if they had to roam around a bit and migrate, and when affinity and different diets are a thing I'm sure the herbi population will recover
valid zephyr
herbis used to be able to all group in the same chat group, and when that got removed their population dropped. Their prog points were much lower, but when that got made even due to survival growth times, their pop dropped more. Then trikes were banned from mixherding, which has furthur made them less popular.
Next carnis are getting the ability to turn into giant kaiju and wipe the map...
any guesses what herbi pop will do...
lament thorn
die
rigid tartan
herbies need to be able to mixpack as much as they like. and talk to any other herbie species ingame... only way to make them functional and actually stand a chance against zealous carnivore players
lament thorn
I dont think they need mix chat
steady cosmos
you want them to be able to mixpack
rigid tartan
cos carnivore is inherently more fun
steady cosmos
they dont need it
random knoll
u wut
mental sleet
carnivore being inherently more fun
does not justify nearly all of what you said they needed.
rigid tartan
why because talking and mix packing is so game breaking? lol
mental sleet
yes
rigid tartan
please.
mental sleet
talking actually is.
mental sleet
mix packing we could spend the entire day arguing with or against
rigid tartan
so..
valid zephyr
herbis need somthing to make them fun, and an endgame goal to work towards
mental sleet
it preety much is
group chat unfortunately has the range of the entire map
still don't know why that's a thing and I hope it's fixed.
valid zephyr
forcing migrations won't help with the fun, as every herbi migration I see results in entire herd dying.
umbral prairie
if you have big mix herbi herds that can coordinate all with each other things can get pretty nasty, but they do that over discord anyways so idk
mental sleet
that's because they can't protect themselves.
or carnivores are too easy to grow
there's always multiple reasons as to why herbivores are in a bad state.
random knoll
mix chat i dont like since it just egts too easy and clals wouldnt even have a reason at that point
steady cosmos
On top of herbivores like trike being horrible, people just dont like to play them
mental sleet
Well of course, they have even less to do than carnivores.
umbral prairie
Migrating needs to be a thing once herbivore population is bigger and once their herbs aren't just walking food
still temple
while cancerous, it was fun when all herbis could grp and communicate with each other
rigid tartan
my point exactly with the "carnivores are more fun" people want to play carnivores in general over herbies
mental sleet
there's still a few things in the pipe that can be added to the game to make herbivore gameplay more interesting.
a few of those are very important to the way herbivores interact with one another.
Which would be diets.
random knoll
how would diets help?
mental sleet
Diets, first of all, promote herbivores eating specific food.
mental sleet
This specific food will have to share space across the map with other types of plants.
steady cosmos
Herbivores shouldnt be lovey dovey groups
mental sleet
If they get the rarity of these plants just right, herbivores will have to compete for their food sources.
mental sleet
Herbivore competition + a decent combat system = herbivores get to fight all they want and not feel frustrated
rigid tartan
dino's that fall under the "food only" catagory will never be very fun, and thats most of the herbies
mental sleet
they are only ''food only'' if you make them that.
random knoll
i just feel like diets would fuck herbis more
rigid tartan
they are that.
random knoll
but idk
mental sleet
diets are needed to add competition into herbivore gameplay.
random knoll
depends how it is
there are hadnly any herbis and then you make them fight for food
idk
maybe it will be fun
mental sleet
that's because some of the current herbivores aren't worth playing.
rigid tartan
i think the problem is herbie players think they game is Herbies Vs carnivores Vs other carnivores
rigid tartan
when they would have more fun with herbies vs other herbies vs carnivores vs other carnivores
mental sleet
well yeah but players in the game don't do anything unless they are forced to or it is fun for them.
they always take the easier path to anything.
rigid tartan
some do lol
mental sleet
If you were to buff trike speed to outrun rex, for example.
trikes will start running rexes down, not away from them.
steady cosmos
People who play herbi dont play like that slayer
mental sleet
How are you supposed to give herbivores buffs when they use them to run down carnivores ?
rigid tartan
meh only herbi i play is trike
mental sleet
and that one's food too
rigid tartan
@mental sleet but thats not the problem... theyr ALL food.. intended
random knoll
untill 3 gigas roll up
mental sleet
no slayer
they were made playable
so they cannot under any circumstance be ''food only''
unless they are discardable, like Dryo
rigid tartan
i never said food only lol, but theyr all food
steady cosmos
Trike is by no means weak
mental sleet
Oh yes it is.
steady cosmos
It does get killed
mental sleet
It is far too weak.
steady cosmos
but it isnt weak
rigid tartan
its really not multi..
mental sleet
People shouldn't be arguing ways for a trike to kill a giga or rex.
valid zephyr
trike loses to rex in a facetank, yet can't flee from rex either
mental sleet
People should be arguing ways for a rex/giga to attempt to kill a trike.
Trike is far weaker right now than it should be.
Alt turn says hi.
rigid tartan
incorrect. 1on1 i've beaten plenty of rex's its completely situational
mental sleet
Dilo says good bye.
rigid tartan
and depending on the terrain.
mental sleet
if the rex's just as good as you are, you are going to die unless you luck out on the hitbox god, or the fight's going to be far closer than it should be.
steady cosmos
Giga has always been a problem lol
Rex has bb
those will be fixed sometime
they can still both nearly be killed by trike
valid zephyr
irl a pack of carnis will single out the weak member of a herd, isolate them, and kill them to eat.
In TI a pack of carnis will charge in, kill every herd member, including the juvies and hatchlings, then walk off.
steady cosmos
and or killed
umbral prairie
you can fight rexes and gigas now as trike because most of them are new players
because it is so easy to get one
rigid tartan
unfortunately comrade, thats the nature of a game... they play to kill you not to roleplay some shit about food
mental sleet
yeah because they aren't punished for killing you.
There are no food problems in this game
steady cosmos
Comrade, I dont see a point in that statement
rigid tartan
why would they be. carnivores made to kill lol
mental sleet
slayer, you don't get the point.
valid zephyr
people seem to only have issues with herbis killing things though.
mental sleet
If a large group of carnivores was to slaughter a large group of herbivores.
They should run out of food.
rigid tartan
i have 0 problem with herbies killing people comrade
mental sleet
They don't, right now.
valid zephyr
irl herbis arn't just free food, they're dangerous.
steady cosmos
They are dangerous in this game too
lol
they may die
but they are still dangerous
lament thorn
If food was an actual resource and not a privilege to carnis they might think twice about massacring entire herds because they could be screwing themselves in the future
rigid tartan
why "should" they run out of food.... carnivores dont have static food supply like herbies
rigid tartan
and u cant account for people always being online. so not giving them one would be broken
mental sleet
if a rex's eating a dibble herd.
a dibble from time to time
and this group of allos or smt comes in and starts killing them
this rex should start starving.
because food resources for both factions shouldn't be unlimited.
valid zephyr
prog vs great, as in V2 with prog there were so many herbis the carnis didn't even need AI
mental sleet
there should be a punishment for killing recklessly outside of injuries.
lament thorn
and with prog there was the lower ranking carnis to also prey on
rigid tartan
punished for doing the thing you're meant to?
great game design
gonna really pull people in lol
umbral prairie
the thing you're meant to do is not eradicate whole herds
steady cosmos
How do you know you're meant to eat rotten food
I dont think you should
rotten food is bad
rigid tartan
sammel. you're looking at it way too much like an isle player and not your aveage person coming to play a GAME
mental sleet
but if you suddenly slaughter a herd of animals you regularly feed on
rigid tartan
the GAME is to kill other people. not to abide by some eating eco system
mental sleet
you SHOULD suddenly have a food issue as soon as those carcasses are done.
valid zephyr
affinity is said to punish herbis for killing, as being near bodies will drop their affinity
so herbis going to be punished more
mental sleet
Slayer, this needs to exist or else all people are going to do is keep killing one another for no reason.
random knoll
Carnis shouldnt want to kill a whole herd
umbral prairie
yes but 'to kill other people' isn't the whole thing, it depends on how and how much you're killing and for what reason
rigid tartan
also multi. theres always food problems, ive had my fair share of starvation crisis in past few weeks
random knoll
they should take out and weak or slaking herbis and then contiune on with there day
steady cosmos
and playing
pale prairie
nah slayers right, as a carnivore, it is my responsibility to kill entire herds of herbivores and eat their bodies even once they've gone rotten.
mental sleet
the sarcasm wasn't lost here.
steady cosmos
rigid tartan
meta isle players so naive lol
steady cosmos
what is a "meta isle player"
rigid tartan
usually the ones complaining about stuff mid
valid zephyr
I think a combo of preferred diets to encourage migration, and an end game strain like goal would make herbis more popular.
rigid tartan
theres always a reason apparently 😛
mental sleet
Well yeah the game's in a preety sorry state
So there's lots of reasons to complain
umbral prairie
there are more than enough reasons to complain about something in TI, so many things are problematic in it's current state
valid zephyr
I also think a second herbi apex will help. There is only a single herbi apex right now, it's mediocre, and people get bored of playing it as no other options.
rigid tartan
again tho. to what end comrade
steady cosmos
To give players something new.
valid zephyr
what do you mean?
rigid tartan
lets say they add a new apex herbie... it will still be food for the other apex's and u will STILL have people complaining that herbies are boring lol
rigid tartan
it would be worse if they liked it. because people hate losing something they like
valid zephyr
it will boost the amount of people playing herbi apex, which will result in more carni apexes killed, even if it trades as bad as trike.
this overall makes it safer for other herbis
steady cosmos
Herbi in general is super simple
Eat plant
fight carnivore
what else do you have to do
valid zephyr
especially in the month stego comes out. Even pachy had half the server playing it on release.
rigid tartan
honestly if they added a new herbi apex i think you would see a bigger flux in carnivore apex's than the herbi
purely to kill it
pale prairie
stego might not be "Food" for other apexes, it's much larger than trike.
rigid tartan
@steady cosmos u mean eat plant, wait to die lol
rigid tartan
im beating around the bush less than you but thats the reality.
pale prairie
much stronger, and honestly with collision and locational damage, a stego won't be an easy meal.
valid zephyr
I'm guessing stego will be about 6 tons, 500 damage, and 50 bleed, so not exactly carni chow
barren zephyr
@pale prairie elaborate "much larger".
steady cosmos
"beating around the bush"
barren zephyr
Sure its longer.
but Triceratops is wider, and much more heavier.
and mass equals size
thefore Triceratops IS actually much larger
rigid tartan
@steady cosmos problem with the vernacular? 😛
pale prairie
it's taller, longer, and looks to be a lot heaver.
steady cosmos
No
formal vine
Trike is meant to be a lot heavier
steady cosmos
You switch the topics so much its hypocritical
rigid tartan
didnt change anything i just reworded what you said
pale prairie
it is taller, current stego isn't.
new stego seems to be.
steady cosmos
I can scroll up, but i dont want to argue any more on that front
rigid tartan
eat plant, fight carnivore. literally translates to eat plant, get eaten
life of a herbie.
steady cosmos
And yep
valid zephyr
carnis meanwhile are sit in bush, eat AI
steady cosmos
What do you think its like for carnivore?
valid zephyr
But herbi apexes shouldn't just be carni chow imo. They need to be dangerous and a big risk to attack.
rigid tartan
carnivore? eat a.i. eat herbie. get eaten
steady cosmos
Eat meat, Fight and die
valid zephyr
they're slow af, so if a carni thinks it can't win, it can simply walk off.
rigid tartan
same thing. more fun on a carni
formal vine
Thats why the game is so unbalanced
rigid tartan
because you're usually the one killing.
formal vine
And thats why the game is not fun when you get eaten by carni
rigid tartan
my point exactly... lol
valid zephyr
It wasn't always the case though, herbis used to be popular. So it isn't an inherent thing.
formal vine
yeah in prog herbivores were damn populat
popular*
but now in survival 70% of the server is carnivore
I understand people like carni and all but still
valid zephyr
there was massive herd roaming round V2, and constant carni attack picking off the stragglers
lament thorn
prog is superior
valid zephyr
it was so fun
neat flicker
Oi! Back on topic
formal vine
oh der
valid zephyr
This is on topic. Talking about why herbis are less viable and what can be done to change that.
rigid tartan
here comes the fun police. DISPERSE
valid zephyr
after @formal vine 's suggestion
rigid tartan
herbies will always be less viable. theyr the less fun option
valid zephyr
that wasn't the case in prog though
neat flicker
You talking about that is fine.. saying prog is superior is not
formal vine
they weren't always like that slayer
valid zephyr
back in prog herbis were very popular
formal vine
How long have you been playing the Isle Slayer?
steady cosmos
Slayer you can have fun playing herbi if you actively seek action
formal vine
Yeah
rigid tartan
why did prog make them more popular, because theyr forced into it?
random knoll
if you activly seek action people shout " WHY ARE HEBIS ATTACKING ME"
valid zephyr
what? you could just click carni and choose carni
rigid tartan
i agree midkil... but if you're playing how you guys have all been talking "you're not supposed to seek action" as a herbi
barren zephyr
@formal vine why would anyone choose random though
formal vine
Well
barren zephyr
imagine clicking random on survival
formal vine
People who die after they're apex got killed
valid zephyr
they might choose random if they're bored and can't decide
formal vine
^
lament thorn
I think when nesting was added the herbi and low tier carni pop took a hit because of the increaase in apex mega packs
since it was soo much easier to create them
formal vine
Herbis were easier to play
You had to try to get an apex carni
Thats what made it fun
But now its just AFK lmao
barren zephyr
Point is: Carnivores should be skill based.
valid zephyr
A huge amount of people chose herbis for the social experience, and carnis for the action experience.
rigid tartan
i agree apex's should be something you earn. not just have access to 24/7
formal vine
@barren zephyr said it
valid zephyr
Now the social side of herbis got removed, they no longer have a reason to play.
formal vine
I'm a carno and dilo main, but I have to agree that herbivores are OUTNUMBERED
lament thorn
I think theres a really interesting suggestion (might be pinned) about having to unlock apexes
rigid tartan
@barren zephyr thats implying theres skill involved in this game lol
barren zephyr
Triceratops does involve skill
formal vine
A skilled giga can kill a rex
barren zephyr
because it needs to fight
steady cosmos
That doesnt say anything about skill
formal vine
You need skill to counter it
rigid tartan
ALL dino's that arent apex. fine ill agree slightly more skill. but apex's? yeah literally first bite and good positioning. done
barren zephyr
legit a rex broke my trikes leg in a bite
barren zephyr
no you cant
steady cosmos
thats not skill
formal vine
MidKil have you played trike?
formal vine
How many times?
barren zephyr
Midkil, you dont play trike often. I can easily tell.
You either: Dont play trike often and tussle with rexes
steady cosmos
And I can easily tell you two are horrible at discussion
steady cosmos
I am not the topic
rigid tartan
wait whats the argument midkil?
formal vine
BACK to topic
You need skill for giga
You need skill to properly ambush as rex
You need to know when to ambush before your ambush runs out
You need coordination to play utah and dilo
rigid tartan
apex's have no skill as i said 1. good positioning 2, get the first bite
then it snow balls
steady cosmos
Good positioning takes time to learn
rigid tartan
lol yah but u can hardly call it skill compared to other games
formal vine
yeah
What're you hinting at slayer? That carnis are the best?
That you're partial to carnis?
rigid tartan
no?
im hinting that the "skillcap" is a buzzword
and doesnt really exist
people will say it does because they think theyr awsome at the game lol
but its very simplistic.
steady cosmos
There is a bottom and a top to the way you play the game
lament thorn
@valid zephyr I think all herbivores should be able to mix together basically having it so the game itself is the reason they might not e.g diets just keeping them apart naturally but im against mix chat because it made herds wayyyy too coordinated
rigid tartan
^
formal vine
Anyway none the less, there needs to be MORE herbivores because theres very LESS compared to carnivores in a server rn.
valid zephyr
@lament thorn i'll add that to the suggestion
steady cosmos
I dont think herbivores should be able to chat together
formal vine
Its sorta unrealistic
steady cosmos
the chat system in general is unrealistic
rigid tartan
dude we're playing dinosaurs and your problem is they can talk?
formal vine
Global chat lmao
steady cosmos
But thats not my point
rigid tartan
lol
lament thorn
I like herbis (and sometimes carnis) using body language and calls to try and communicate
its very amusing
steady cosmos
Herbivores talking together takes away the uncoordinated chaos that happens when a group of herbivores is attacked lol
I find that fun
formal vine
thats why there is 2 call, 3 call and shiz like that in game
valid zephyr
people played herbis for the social aspect, whch then got removed
formal vine
You wouldn't see a herbi 3 call another herbi
rigid tartan
yeah but chances of them being in a big group anymore is getting slimmer midkil
valid zephyr
no reason to pick them over carnis now
steady cosmos
You can still be social as herbis
valid zephyr
no more than carnis
steady cosmos
Carnis cant mix pack
formal vine
They cant
steady cosmos
So, yes more
rigid tartan
give herbies a slight growth buff and hunger degradation buff if theyr in proximity of like 5-6 or more herbies. boom now they want to group up all the time lol
steady cosmos
The only herbivore that they want to be an aggro turtle is trike
rigid tartan
^ agree'd
valid zephyr
Honestly my best memories from TI are following a stego as a flock of oros while it found us food. the mixed chat made playing herbis extremely different, and great fun
azure arch
I'm glad people liked my 'drinking from puddles' Idea
rigid tartan
yeah but comrade without that stego wheres your fun or your point of being 😛
azure arch
34 THUMBS up
rigid tartan
if he logged its rip
azure arch
2 thumbs down
blazing charm
❤
barren zephyr
keep them up pal
random knoll
i like
formal vine
its amazing
barren zephyr
ikr
rigid tartan
@azure arch if you have no stam and get confronted by a bigger dino thats just natural selection my dude and doesnt need fixing
barren zephyr
Gives para something so unique
azure arch
Well I mean, you know adrenaline?
barren zephyr
^
rigid tartan
i know what u mean but dont run completely out of stam in the first place lol
if u do and get attacked its just unlucky 😛
valid zephyr
@rigid tartan the point was having fun talking with big groups of people while trying to fend off carnis
rigid tartan
dino's dont need anymore reasons to avoid a rex.. theyr easy enough to avoid 😛
lament thorn
I hope the lower a creature gets on stam the more it starts to huff and puff so you can single them out and so people monitor themselves better so they dont look like an easy target
rigid tartan
@valid zephyr i know that comrade but my point was you're "fun" was entirely dependant on that other player
making your dino kinda redundant
steady cosmos
@blazing charm I'd like to suggest an edit: Instead of a cooldown, how about you have to stand stationary while doing the noise search in a tall, easy to see stance.
valid zephyr
That is the entire point of a social experience though. You can't really have a solo social experience.
steady cosmos
Alerting any carnivores that might be lurking to the fact you're searching for them
If they can proprerly see you that is
valid zephyr
herbis were a social experience, while carnis were the action focused experience
neat flicker
@blazing charm Awesome suggestion, I actually like the video and the noise edits included. I like the cooldown on the skill, 5 minutes might be too long, or it might be perfect. Maybe even a little vibration indication in the direction it's coming from?
blazing charm
That's somewhat already a thing, I added the cooldown just to prevent Para's from constantly using it, one of the first thing I considered were malicious players spread across the map, constantly listening for calls and relaying the information to another player.
rigid tartan
@valid zephyr ofcourse not, but my point is not the social behavior being the problem thats fine, the games not a chat room but w.e.. if you're playing something that is completely useless and not fun UNLESS you're with a bigger dino making it fun then surely that dino is redundant and the bigger dino is the better choice lol
valid zephyr
Would it need a cooldown? If each time you use it draws carnis in closer and closer.
neat flicker
I think there should definitely be a cooldown on something like that to keep from spamming it.
blazing charm
@neat flicker I tried to do the directional rumble, couldn't figure out how to make it sound good.
steady cosmos
Like being able to amplify the sounds of crouching and stomping
azure arch
I wish grass had a different noise
steady cosmos
So if something is stalking you, and knows of said ability, it will stop and wait
rigid tartan
@steady cosmos like comtacs in tarkov? i love that idea
azure arch
when you stepped on it
cus in the middle of the jungle it sounds like you're stepping on crackers
instead of lush, soft grass.
rigid tartan
ever walked through a jungle weird? 😛 its anything but quiet
rigid tartan
ok ALL im saying is. try sneaking up on a deer walking only on grass 😛
rigid tartan
... i know
rigid tartan
im.. not?
rigid tartan
deers have extremely good hearing and are skittish. my point is it would hear you. grass is loud. animals HEAR it. thats why its loud ingame
steady cosmos
Thinking up more ways to balance that para idea than a cooldown
rigid tartan
after you use it your hearing is severely lowered for 1min or so, making you vulnerable ?
steady cosmos
Thats worse than the cooldown
rigid tartan
yeah but shorter 😉
steady cosmos
Im thinking stomping can be heard farther than crouching
Since you can hear crouching better, if the carnivore stops crouching you cant hear it anymore
ofc
Large dinos breathing can be heard better
giga and rex basically
rigid tartan
@azure arch if people are hearing you crouch walking behind them they have godly hearing my dude
crouching isnt easy to pick up
rigid tartan
nah you good lol
steady cosmos
Good dinos 360 their cam all the time lol
rigid tartan
atleast every min xD