Have you played maia and para?
#general-feedback-discussion
pale tinsel
they dont even get a percent of food out of dryos wtf
lilac swallow
Para is killable too
viral creek
Para is more skill based tho
oak shale
Everything is killable
lilac swallow
I know
oak shale
it depends on what it’s up against
pale tinsel
ofc
lilac swallow
Im just saying that people do try to kill them
Because sinterp said nobody would try to kill you except dibble
viral creek
People will try, even as trike
had 3 rexes attack me as a trike, took 2 of them with me
lilac swallow
People do try to kill carnos as trike which is a stupid waste of stam but people do
lilac swallow
I wont touch isle unless grows in general are playable
Because in most cases afking is better than playing
wintry cipher
I'm a bit puzzled as to how a limit of 15 is painful. That's over a 10th of the server pop if you have 100 max.
Most groups won't even get that high in number.
blazing charm
@mint vector How is that a suggestion?
mint vector
idk m8 im sorry
indigo sun
@barren zephyr so make giga super fast with a ton of stamina still and remove it completely from its role as an endurance hunter meant to keep prey moving because it can just run down and spam bite prey while rex becomes slower with only 30 seconds of stamina destroying its chances of catching anything and making it no longer an ambush hunter because it relies on that speed boost from ambush?
barren zephyr
k
indigo sun
lets consider balance beyond only two dinosaurs and think about what this would do to mid tiers. cause theyre already kinda screwed by that giant ass bite force giga has
barren zephyr
👌
indigo sun
jesus christ
indigo sun
glad we can agree. those suggestions usually end with screaming and "I DONT WANT TO FIGHT MKAY BYE BITCH" and this is a pleasant change of pace
barren zephyr
tbh, that crossed my mind when you tagged me.
here we go again i thought to myself
fathom harness
Anyone who likes the Box Cage thing idea for mercenaries I actually got it from watching YouTube, I can post a link to the video as well as the time stamp as to where I got that idea if anyone wants it.
paper oriole
lol herbivore poop attractinv ai now im just
thinking of a taco emerging from the bushes to huff some maia shit
paper oriole
underground taco herbie shit cartel
crystal minnow
daring salmon
@rose mason in that case the defending dino's should also be able to do some shaking off moves or something i think, or it would be just gg everytime someone runs in to a pack of utahs
rose mason
@daring salmon yea that’s a good idea and while they shake the utah’s lose stam
formal vine
@scarlet root "For everyone posting suggestions, from now on suggestions containing 'nerf x, or please add X dino' are not permissive as they add nothing of value for the development team. Please propose a possible fix/weigh balance changes. "
edgy furnace
@lone hatch ^
valid zephyr
to all the "buff giga" suggestions. Giga isn't a brawler. It should lose to rex and trike in a direct fight, and specialise wearing down prey via its stam regen, fast trot, and huge bleed damage. It's already got a slightly higher than needed bite force, and its alt turn is way too fast.
lone hatch
But rex is ok?
valid zephyr
Rex is fine. It's a brawler with 30 seconds of stam. It's easy to escape if you see it coming.
lone hatch
And breaking legs is ok too?
valid zephyr
Trike could do with a small damage buff to stop rex just walking up and facetanking it, but locational damage would also solve that.
bone break is a placeholder currently. I do agree it that its pretty bad it got removed from all creature but rex
pachy should have it too
tbh all balance suggestions seem pointless currently, as combat rework will mess the meta up so badley
and everything will have to get balanced again around the new rules
night mountain
hey guys lets buff giga
valid zephyr
any specifics?
valid zephyr
Is this buff giga a meme i'm missing?
indigo sun
it should be breathing fire, not bleeding things
those two were probably serious, but we're not
gaunt parcel
I think so, jenkens
lone hatch
Its stupid when rex can break legs, 1 year ago something like 90% now 70% woow
night mountain
make it launch a bunch of teeth out of its mouth as a projectile bleed attack
lone hatch
Rex should fly why not
barren zephyr
Rex has so little stam, you basically have to walk into its mouth to get bit.
gaunt parcel
The deino flies
barren zephyr
True
random knoll
imagen letting a rex geet close enough to ambush you
lone hatch
Break bones only for smaller dinos but not for everything what it see = its stupid
valid zephyr
Isn't this channel meant for serious suggestion discussion?
night mountain
i mean night does happen
valid zephyr
this is getting stupid
indigo sun
well you are in the isle discord. did you expect otherwise?
gaunt parcel
If you can break bones you can break bones.. But I do agree to maybe have a smaller break bone chance on bigger dinos
night mountain
make giga able to rub its mild diarrhea in your open wounds for new septic damage
brittle ivy
@lone hatch @scarlet root Your suggestions will be removed as they do not comply with the suggestion submission criteria - please read the pinned messages within the #general-feedback channel and know that simply stating ‘buff or nerf x’is not acceptable.
@night mountain Keep this channel on topic, joke/troll discussion within this channel is grounds for removal from this discord.
pale prairie
everything on that list besides the desert map is already planned, oh and idle animations are already in the game. @barren zephyr
brittle bough
yee
tender latch
The ability to drag bodies is the only decent suggestion you listed (no offense)
indigo sun
what? i think all of them are pretty good, even if most are already planned
clear turret
yeah, they're good, just already planned
pale prairie
mhm, everything on that list would improve the game in one way or another, it's a great list with great suggestions, so good that they're already planned.
tender latch
Oh, okay then. Now back to looking for my recode. Have you seen him anywhere?
pale prairie
but yeah, everything besides para, sub adult giga and sub adult trike already have idle animations
barren zephyr
Please god never make the rexes speed 29
barren zephyr
That'd make it harder to kill spinos by running through.. camas and other things..
clear turret
Generally the idea of a nerf is to make it hard to kill things, so yes. Congratulations for putting that together
also, sandbox dinos. Nobody gives a damn
indigo sun
youre not gonna be able to run through shit forever anyway
collision mate, cant just run through things and bite their organs
blazing charm
@night mountain How fast would The Ici be?
night mountain
Uhhh not really sure. Wouldn't need to be crazy fast since it's tiny and could probably just lose stuff by running into trees or tall grass
Maybe around the level of like a dilo?
blazing charm
Okay, okay. How much bleed would it deal?
night mountain
I'd have to look at actual bleed damage stats. Not a ton, they'd be more like a nuisance thing than something actively trying to actively kill you. Would need balance so it was annoying on bigger things but didn't just bleed out small species. Maybe it could like scale based on tier? So like it'd just be a small annoying bit to a dryo, but also a small annoying bit to a rex.
less about their danger and more about them being dangerous because now other things can smell the blood
neat since we don't have any dinosaurs that are basically harmless but just dangerous by association
blazing charm
Gonna be honest, it sounds like a pretty boring playable. It sounds like something you'd play as for 5-10 to annoy someone and then get bored of immediately.
umbral prairie
it sounds similar to playing oro but you can annoy people better
blazing charm
^
You'd probably try to feed, and then immediately get run down by whatever it is you're trying to feed from.
barren zephyr
sounds way more fun than dryo imo
night mountain
Not everything needs to be a big carnivore that facetanks everything. Being delicate to steal stuff from something stronger than you is fun
umbral prairie
except herbis will chase you aswell because otherwise you will nibble on them
dryos can at least hang out with other herbs
grand brook
but...incisivosaurus is a herbivore
umbral prairie
then the suggestion doesn't make sense lol
blazing charm
Small playables are fine, but there's obviously a limit.
indigo sun
theres a difference between giving something venom and changing a creature's diet completely
night mountain
Again, it has no known diet.
It's an assumed herbivore because it kinda sorta has a skull similar to theri iirc but thats it
gaunt parcel
Tbh drinking the blood from carcasses and love dinosaurs sneakily sounds fun
grand brook
i mean the dilo is in weird possition admitedly, but works with the type of animal it is. Incisivosaurus is thought to be a herbivore or omnivore, with rodent like teeth
umbral prairie
Not saying the suggestion can't be made because it might have been a herbi, but both as a herbi and as a toe nibbler it would not be a good playable imo.
grand brook
if you want an annoying small predator, oviraptorids are always there for you
night mountain
it didn't have teeth that could work like a rodent since no bottom ones
that said rats will also drink blood from larger animals
indigo sun
"Incisivosaurus is a genus of small, probably herbivorous theropod dinosaur from the early Cretaceous Period" i think it's generally accepted that this thing was probably a herbivore
" these teeth show wear patterns that fit in with a herbivorous diet, an indication that although a theropod, Incisivosaurus was at the very least partially herbivorous"
you could do herra or something as the small annoying ones
gaunt parcel
Yeah but all they do is just bite and steal eggs, a playstyle change would be fun
Ooooh nice info
night mountain
Better remove dilos venom then, since there is zero evidence for that too :^)
yeah i also want ovi, stealing eggs sounds fun
grand brook
oviraptorids can work as the first omnivore dinos
indigo sun
again, there's a difference between giving a dinosaur venom in a game where there are strains and changing its diet completely. that'd be like making trike or para a carnivore
night mountain
which is also sorta inaccurate bt
grand brook
the jack of all trades
unborn quail
Omnivores have been ruled out for the most part, And Allo is your jack of all trades
blazing charm
I feel like we're dancing around the real issue.
The fact that the uh, Ici being a vampire is just dumb.
night mountain
Again nothing to say it didn't do that. Rats and even some bird species alive right now eat mostly plants but also eat meat and blood from large animals that are asleep
theres a PARROT that does that even lol
grand brook
allo? it's exclusivelly carnivorous endurance hunter
that feels very off for a jack of all trades
unborn quail
It's your generalist animal. Decent health, Damage, Bleed, Speed, and Stamina
grand brook
an african wild dog is not an omnivore, it's an efficient predator, just like the allo
unborn quail
Delves into all traits, while not excelling in just one
blazing charm
Welp, rip the previous convo topic.
grand brook
not lifestyle
night mountain
a jack of all trades irl would be something like corvids
grand brook
^basically
night mountain
idk how allo would be an example of that
night mountain
oh yeah for sure rats
grand brook
rat dinos when
night mountain
i mean, thats basicially what i was proposing
reminder some rat species are omnivores that drink blood
gaunt parcel
Oo
night mountain
from larger dinosaurs, even
coarse shell
rip bird
night mountain
not arguing it was what it did irl, just saying Incisivosaurus drinking blood in game isn't any wilder than long legged spino or venomous dilo, or whatever utah is
grand brook
perhaps herrera could fit the vampire aesthetic better?
night mountain
maybe, but the skull would be weird for it
i want herra to be good at something though
god i hope they don't nerf its speed, i know they're gonna but its the only reason herrera is any fun at all
grand brook
herrera could be faster than utah but a bit slower than carno on base run and it would still be fun
gaunt parcel
vampire herrera sounds fun lol
valid zephyr
@viral creek yeah seems like people really don't like that one lol
lilac swallow
Just count the max positive reaction vs the Max negative one
The positive wins
Is just that they voted many reaction per person
primal plinth
my suggestion: I think if u want players to keep playing after losing a full grown t rex (6 hours of gameplay) that there should be a better respawn system instead of starting over from scratch maybe give the solution to get revived by a group member but with lets say 10% less growth and the growth u lose depends on how big u where. or skip the revive thing and just do it without having to be revived
just my suggestion would be way more fun to play after losing my 6 hours of progress
brittle bough
ehh, maybe if it put you back to 0% of your current stage i could possibly see it
it doesnt make much sense to die, ragdoll, and come back though, so id go for more of a 'downed' stage like some games have, where you could possibly be rescued
or go unconscious (which looks like youve died) and hope your group can fend off whatever is having a go at you before it finishes you off lol
any kind of revival system seems kind of clunky in a game like this, and lessens people's caution even further
the punishment for dying is death, play more cautiously and be aware of your surroundings/strategies to avoid dying
inner valley
Maybe if animations for killing or something similar are added, there could be a way for group members to intercept it? that's the only thing i really see happening
brittle bough
(or perhaps consider playing something that grows faster than an apex if you dont want to lose as much time lol)
sick crescent
@willow zealot I like
brittle bough
ngl i wouldnt mind if herbis had some easier ways to respawn, the biggest issue with herbis and herds is being unable to recover from death, when death is essentially a part of their role lol
it should still be punishing, else they would just casually snackrifice for carnivores, but some way to make it a little less bad (rescue mechanic/faster grow times/etc)
plus a rescue mechanic could encourage herbis to be social, which is also kind of their thing
paper oriole
Eeeew upvoting your own suggestion @primal plinth
edgy furnace
^
paper oriole
Also a part of picking an apex (6+ hours) is being prepared to lose it, we dont need rexes having it even easier than they already do thats why theres so damn many
Play a utah or something if you arent prepared to lose the 6hr on one of the strongest dinos
willow zealot
@sick crescent Problem is still need to leave the burrow to get water, unless they can collect water through roots when it rains
paper oriole
Real hatchlings get the water they need from their parents too
Maybe dinos could either bring water enough for a hatchlings thirst per trip or the hatchlings simply get water from the nest or fresh berries/corpses brought by their parents
valid zephyr
So one of the main issues is the sheer amount of apexes atm.... and you want somthing that will mean people don't lose their apexes.
wow
neat flicker
Yeah that suggestion is out of the window, if you can’t afford to lose your dino, I would suggest playing a smaller tier until you know how to be aware of your surroundings, could also play sandbox too if you don’t want to lose it
lilac swallow
It surely sucks losing 6 hours but you were the one who chose taking the big dino
valid zephyr
sounds like somone should go play utah
barren zephyr
How about a longer juvie stage
valid zephyr
maia needs to be made a bit slower than utah, so it can't just run it down and murder it
lilac swallow
Longer time wont stop It from running down small tiers
paper oriole
Swap maia and pachy times
lilac swallow
In my books if something is faster and stronger than other thing it need a tone down, unless It has carnos turn or Rex stam
paper oriole
Maia would be fine with its current viability and that longer growth
blazing charm
It wouldn't really change the fact that they are incredibly difficult to catch or kill in some cases.
valid zephyr
it's not the catching that's the issue, it's that they just run down and murder smaller carnis
lilac swallow
If the x dinos just by existing in an area invalidates y Dino It needs a tone down
valid zephyr
reduce its speed to 40kph or somthing
barren zephyr
maia attacks so slow already
paper oriole
Being difficult to catch is hardly an issue when herbivore life is all about running away
lilac swallow
If a Maia wants a utah a pachy a dilo or a dryo dead they are dead
valid zephyr
the fix is simple, and means it no longer runs down small carnis, while still being faster than allos
barren zephyr
it should just be nerfed to utah speed
lilac swallow
I would be fine with just It having carno lvl of turn
blazing charm
But the problem is, anything it can be killed by it outspeeds anything that is usually fast enough to keep pace can be killed by it.
brittle bough
id be fine if it was the same as or one slower than utah
barren zephyr
yea
jovial saddle
so turn maia into an even bigger target
paper oriole
Basically
jovial saddle
the poor thing only has speed on its side when escaping from apexes
dont even get me started when a pack of allos have their ambush boost and just run you down
paper oriole
Ive escaped maia multiple times as utah what are these people doing running in a straight line
lilac swallow
Maia is stronger than any small tier, why should It be faster? Carno is also faster but at least have a shit turn
barren zephyr
wat
paper oriole
So just make maia food for any utah pack lel
paper oriole
By making it slow
valid zephyr
maia at 40kph can no longer run down utah, and is still faster than allo. literally nothing wrong with it then
jovial saddle
maia is good as it is
paper oriole
It has less stam than utah, less agility
barren zephyr
it gets fucked on by ambushing hard @valid zephyr
lilac swallow
Utah survives allos and apex perfectly, Maia with the same speed wouldnt be less
valid zephyr
ambush is meant to catch things.
lilac swallow
Yeah the runner with a stomp
barren zephyr
unlike rex its hard to hear an allo sneak up on you and it would feel unfair
brittle bough
a tackle could be interesting
jovial saddle
like something's coming from the maia's flank and the maia just rams it over
it is pretty beefy too
valid zephyr
it still takes skill to sneak that close
paper oriole
If maia is slowed down to be useless it should at least be able to fight back
barren zephyr
it takes no skill
valid zephyr
sneaking close should be reawrded
lilac swallow
Did i said Maia would be slowed down to uselessness?
valid zephyr
well you need to get close enough to use ambush first
blazing charm
I ain't saying to slow it down to being useless
brittle bough
people are very extreme here lol, should know that by now
paper oriole
So the reward is making a target thats easier to ambush lol
brittle bough
"slow it down" = "slow it down to pue levels"
blazing charm
Just enough to where it doesn't completely outpace everything
lilac swallow
But King "nerfing muh running down machine is making It useless"
valid zephyr
outrunning utah is stupid.
brittle bough
yeeah outrunning utah and being able to pretty easily smack it to death is kind of dumb
lilac swallow
Only thing that deserves being this fast are utah galli and carno
paper oriole
Just make all herbis taco speed since they arent allowed to have a chance against an ambush
brittle bough
ah yes, strawmanning
lilac swallow
Rex outruns and kills trike but "buff trike" Maia outruns and kills utah "is fine"
barren zephyr
40km wont even change the fact it would still punish the creature it punishes the most
dilo... and utah can easily get behind a maia due to its superior turn and can jump to avoid the conflict
paper oriole
Herbis are already the minority
brittle bough
consider: dilos shouldnt hunt full grown ass maias
barren zephyr
maia is barely faster than utah
Maia is literally a basic bitch prey animal. Why should it have so much going for it
blazing charm
They are the minority because their gameplay is boring.
lilac swallow
Being the minority doesnt justify being overtuned
valid zephyr
dilo should be hunting at night in forests
mental sleet
BruceTheXenomorph It was added to the game as a playable
Now it needs to be balanced like all the rest.
valid zephyr
utah is often in the open during the day
mental sleet
It NEEDS something going for it
barren zephyr
right and its an overtuned sack of bad balance
your point
if we want broken playables, look at giga
brittle bough
yeah, if the dilo is encountering a maia, one or both of them is in the wrong place lol, they shouldnt be balanced against each other
lilac swallow
Again, there are 4 dinos, fucking 4 that are weaker AND slower than maia
brittle bough
maia/carno/utah are the speedsters, they should be tuned against each other
barren zephyr
herbis shouldn't be herd reliant either
maias literally has nothing going for it physically, its a bare bones animal with nothing but mediocre weight backing it up
it shouldnt be THAT good to the point it aint huntable
valid zephyr
taking a few kph off it doesn't make maia unviable
brittle bough
^
barren zephyr
it changes nothing if its 40kms
valid zephyr
pachy outruns allos just fine, and it's 40kph
lilac swallow
If dilo is viable with its speed Maia is too
mental sleet
Dilo can hunt at night and was blessed with an absurd bleed.
Not the best comparison.
lilac swallow
Thats true but at day they arent exactly screwed
brittle bough
dilo: hunts maia in the day in the wide open
dilo: dies
dilo: ?????
mental sleet
Maia hits quite hard.
brittle bough
maia does hit a bit hard for what it is
mental sleet
You could take some power from that and it's speed.
And see where to go from there.
brittle bough
it either needs to be slower, or have its damage lowered a bit
valid zephyr
i'm fine with maia hitting as hard as it does. it's built pretty meaty
brittle bough
yeah but it can hunt utahs lol
barren zephyr
nerf carnos speed cause its uncatchable
valid zephyr
it's the outrunning small carnis which is the issue
mental sleet
It's a horrible combination.
brittle bough
carnos have shitlord turning, thats their drawback
lilac swallow
I dont really want to kill maias with my utah, i just want to fucking run away
brittle bough
and you cant
paper oriole
Just make its attack slow it down for a few seconds or deal less when running
barren zephyr
you can run away
mental sleet
You could lower Maia's turn radius while sprinting
lilac swallow
Slowing down the attack of an hit and runner means shit
brittle bough
less damage when sprinting then, i guess
barren zephyr
the thing is 1km faster and you can get behind it
maia turn is pretty shit already
mental sleet
if you lower it's turn radius ONLY while sprinting
then it can still defend itself when not sprinting
and it's easier to juke when it tries to run down smt.
lilac swallow
Honestly Maia is better at being carno than carno
barren zephyr
you can also make of use the ability to jump as utah
mental sleet
jumping is suicide.
paper oriole
Then it doesnt hinder its ability to escape utah packs which can hunt it while making it less viable for running down
lilac swallow
Jump and do the so hated rock sit you seem to despise?
barren zephyr
so all maias are 200Iq players kek
mental sleet
They aren't, but if you go by that then what about Dilo who can't jump ?
paper oriole
Utah can so easily juke a maia in forests
brittle bough
dilo and maia shouldnt be compared
valid zephyr
people say utahs should sit on rocks to escape, then all complain when utahs do just that
lilac swallow
Exactly this not only about utah
lilac swallow
Pachy and dryo too
mental sleet
What ?
brittle bough
dilos are stealthy and hunt in forests, maias are in the wide open meadows where dilos shouldnt be
if you go to hunt a maia in the daylight in the wide open meadow.. lol
valid zephyr
dilo should at least not be encountering maia if they play right
lilac swallow
I have seen them being ran down
valid zephyr
utah shares its environment
brittle bough
maybe if they didnt spam 1 call
lilac swallow
If a maia wants any small tier except galli dead It is dead
brittle bough
i swear dilos never shut up, ive not seen a dilo in ages because i can hear them from so far that i just dont go near them lol
paper oriole
So you let a fat ass thumpy thump maia sneak up on your dilo
lilac swallow
Sneak on the dilo?
brittle bough
...turn ya head
lilac swallow
Maia is faster if It sees the dilo the dilo may just sit
barren zephyr
okay how about this... make make maia 36km but as strong as an allo
and make para strong enough to punish uncoordinated packs
mental sleet
making Maia as strong as an Allo is silly.
brittle bough
other peoples audio may act differently, but for me front/back is a bit muffled while the sides are very clear, so i just always have my head turned/turning to hear if things are behind/in front of me
lilac swallow
How about keeping Maia as a runner
mental sleet
Para, sure, it can stomp, what's Maia going to do to an Allo ?
barren zephyr
well its already silly so i dont see the problem really
compact coyote
run away
barren zephyr
kick it in the face
paper oriole
So it should be both slow and weak 👌
barren zephyr
break its neck
lilac swallow
Maia is supposed to be a fater galli and thats all, not a machine of doom to small dinos
mental sleet
Anyhow.
barren zephyr
well i dont know what this convo has become
paper oriole
Keep maia as a runner, invalidate its run attack
mental sleet
Have it so Maia can outspeed things and beat maybe one or two Utahraptors or Dilos
Be it by having a weak attack, only being able to attack when not sprinting etc.
barren zephyr
but maia is supposed to be something that a pack of utahs can get fucked by if they do anything wrong
lilac swallow
Not only maia, but if a dino runs down shit weaker than it is automatically not fine, either the strong is too strong or the weak is too weak
brittle bough
so, a list of considerations for maia so far:
-significantly weaken attack when sprinting or trotting (i have trotted down dilos, so only have the strongest form of its attack when its walking or idle)
-reduce turn radius when sprinting (it should be in the wide open meadows with little concern for agility; going into cluttered woods should be a death sentence)
-slow it to 41km so it's a tiny bit slower than utah
paper oriole
Make its attack garbage when on the move, swap its grow time with pachy too not really related but why tf does pachy take longer
barren zephyr
nah i was replying to david saying tthat maia should beat 2 utahs
brittle bough
ehh, id say make the pachy grow faster, considering i support that 'make herbis overall grow faster' thing rather than just swapping them
mental sleet
Absolutely the Maia can kill maybe one or two Utahs
but it's essentially a runner.
It's defensive weapons are for the worst case scenarios.
Or at least should be.
paper oriole
True
barren zephyr
it should be able to kill more than 2
barren zephyr
it should be able to fuck up a pack if they make 1 wrong move
mental sleet
How ?
barren zephyr
maia is supposed to be big game for utahs david
mental sleet
Utahs would fodderize a Maia with pounce if they caught one on it's own.
brittle bough
ah yeah, pounce should also be considered; utahs currently are crippled, so that doesnt help
keep forgetting theyre meant to use that foot for something lol
mental sleet
If you stood on perfect terrain
In a forest
Then MAYBE
But those are some very specific scenarios.
I did not mention trample, as we do not know the full extent of it.
lilac swallow
Dont forget im one of the most supporters of trike, you cant blame me for being one of the "herbis should be weak"
barren zephyr
._.
sick crescent
I agree
Utah if it lands a pounce should be very high risk very high reward
I hope theres a cooldown after a pounce or smth
“Stam”
I mean if you miss one
And not take time to get back up/recover
That isn’t a cooldown
lilac swallow
I imagine pounce burning stam, so if you dont got a pack to cover your retreat forma a pounce you are screwed
From a *
brittle bough
the most obvious way to do pounce, imo, is
-jump at and latch on (slowly drains stamina while holding on)
-kicking (drains little chunks of stamina)
then you detach by choice or when youre out of stamina, so you need to not waste stam by missing jumps and make sure to unlatch with enough stam to get away
if you get greedy and stay on till your staminas out, be ready to deal with whatever happens lol
lilac swallow
Slate i do think that turn radius + speed nerf together are a bit too much
barren zephyr
just realized something.. making maia weaker would make it carno fodder
lilac swallow
@brittle bough
brittle bough
i kept saying people should focus on balancing it vs utah/carno and thats what everyone came to the conclusion of lol
but very well
lilac swallow
I would say only the turn so It has hard time hitting small dinos just like carno
barren zephyr
but it might be unfair cause unlike carno maia's trot turn,z turn and alt turn are garbo ._.
lilac swallow
Maia isnt really supposed to hunt, so if It can defends against carno It is right
jovial saddle
ok why tf do ppl think maia cant defend itself from carnos/allos/ceratos
against a pack of them? no
1v1? yes
lilac swallow
Maia is pretty weaker than allo
jovial saddle
still packs a punch
lilac swallow
And still as maia is faster It doesnt really needs to fight allo
barren zephyr
ive killed 3 maias as a lone allo once
and healed through it pretty quick cause allo is a perfect godlike piece of shit midtier
brittle bough
fond memory of biting an allo as a sucho and watching it sprint away just to trip over a rock and break it's leg
godly, truly
wintry cipher
nerfing maia's turn radius would be a good idea, but can only really be effective without punishing it to obscurity if carno has its charge mechanic in and bleed virtually removed. Imo, it can afford to be dropped down to utah speed and still escape allo and rex ambushes easilly at base speed. Drop its bleed resistance while running to a 2.5 dmg multiplier and you wont see them running at packs of small dinos. theyll go for a singular utah or dilo, sure, but then it has to use that godly bleed heal to recover and then keep moving. not continue running around like a madman slaughtering things every which way it goes.
could even nerf it to be slightly slower than utah and allow it to be caught by an allo ambush if its not alert
but then it turns into a stamina game
distant sorrel
Bias needs to be taken into account with any of these suggestions. Yes, let's just nerf herbivores some more. That'll make them really appealing to play. As if carnivore players don't have it easy enough with ai that spawns for them whenever they are hungry, and lots of other carnivores to eat. But no, the maia is too stronk as has to be nerfed now. Hasn't enough been done to the herbie pop already? Seriously you guys want to have your cake and eat it too. Maia's main defense was speed, and now you want to take that away? Really? What about the allo that can ambush three football fields away and has a double bite and can nearly face tank a fresh adult rex? That's okay, but the maia is too fast? There should be some strategy involved in hunting. They shouldn't be expected to drop dead at the sight of a carnivore.
brittle bough
dude.. i main maia lol
the issue is more that maias can super easily hunt small carnivores. thats mostly whats being addressed. maias shouldnt be better at utah-ing than utahs
mental sleet
Carno*
But ye
It's not bias when both maias AND utahs can see maias are better at the utah's job that they are
If maia ate meat
It would be a better Utah
distant sorrel
Utahs can jump and hide very well, and they have strategically placed rocks all around the map just for them.
wintry cipher
Lets see what maia would have to deal with if it was dropped to slightly slower than utah:
it can no longer chase down utahs
it can still chase down dilos (nerf its bleed resistance and you wont see that as often)
it can be caught by allo ambushes and rex ambushes
it can be chased down by carno, but if carno has its bleed removed and dmg increased (for small prey) it wont have to worry about that pred.
also
HAH
people bitch all the time about utahs on rocks
brittle bough
and they cant get to a rock because the maia can run 'em down if they spot them
wintry cipher
your just confirming that
mental sleet
disregard the rock argument
those things are awful
and shouldn't even exist to begin with
brittle bough
i mean, i wouldnt say that since utahs can be starved out of their perches generally
assuming a world with fixed ai that doesnt spawn in their mouths
sick crescent
Am I biased 
wintry cipher
heck azure agreed with me on my suggestions for maia
but im coming at this from a herbie main turned carni main
distant sorrel
That would make it easy allo food though and they have it easy enough
wintry cipher
so im trying to make both sides balanced
distant sorrel
I'd be down for utah ambush speed being buffed instead
sick crescent
Ain’t no way my bias is enough to even it
brittle bough
i play maia because it's easy mode. i can effectively run down little things, and run away from all my big problems. the former is a bit of an issue lol
ive never been successfully hunted as a maia, ive gotta dance around a rex for 15 minutes for it to catch me (and it only got me because of bb on the last pixel of my tail)
wintry cipher
filo. that just means you need ot be alert and watch for allos. if you see them- utah already is the fastest animal in the game when ambushing
that buff you do nothing
and would be arbitrary
wintry cipher
also; everything SHOULD have a counter and a danger to watch out for
distant sorrel
If they get caught without stamina its kind of their fault, you need to keep an eye on that.
wintry cipher
utah's counter is allo, ironically enough
wintry cipher
also; there is a distinct problem in maia escaping predators so easilly. that makes it a galli
and a galli with a lot of hp and firepower no less
wintry cipher
low bleed resistance then
distant sorrel
True, they will be getting pounce so that would make a big difference
brittle bough
yeah again, people are forgetting utahs need their pounce back
sick crescent
Maia needs the worst bleed res in the game
brittle bough
...noh
sick crescent
People keep complaining about it and its annoying
wintry cipher
it does. it can keep that speed and its power if it has shit bleed res
distant sorrel
To be honest, we don't really know what the new combat mechanics are going to entail so it's hard to make suggestions. It will completely change everything as we know it.
sick crescent
“But maias bleed res is para level its godly” false but okay
brittle bough
i was fighting one in dm and i saw it stop bleeding while running and im like wow, im that annoying?
sick crescent
Keep over exaggerating
Para needs like
0.1 bleed res
This bleed heal is so unreasonable right now
wintry cipher
para is interesting in that it has such high bleed resistance imo and could afford a slight tune-up on speed to be a bit over allo.
wintry cipher
paras bleed heal is cancer though
6 per minute
when sitting
but yeah. sadly; we can talk about this all day, but until the recode and new combat systems (hp, bleed, bb) are out, we're honestly just guessing that things will be similar
and that dinos didnt get completely overhauled
brittle bough
dammit thats also right lmao, i fell into the trap of 'discussing combat before combat rework' because it wasnt rex/giga again
gg
brittle bough
rex/giga combat debates always critically irritate me, but now ive become what i sought to destroy
wintry cipher
thats probably what makes the recode so painful to wait on
so many discussions are just rendered null
brittle bough
eh yeah, as long as they dont get heated
sick crescent
Isle discussion is rarely Chill lol
distant sorrel
yeah admittedly I tend to get overheated on some subjects, which is why I try not to say anything very often. Some things just get under my skin, which makes it hard for me to be reasonable. xD
wintry cipher
Filo, id reccomend playing utah a bit and seeing their side of things so you might see what I mean. I tried maia for a while and i was stunned at how easy it was once you hit adult.
i play VERY aggressively as a mother (hence my name) so i abused the shit out of it. and thats why i hit the balance the way i did with my suggestions
brittle bough
i play both ootah and maia and yeeaah maia is just 'dont feel like bothering with anything' mode
granted im also ootah rock scum because i just like watching stuff happen sometimes, gulf pond is almost always a show lul
wintry cipher
as a maia, i dont imagine id need to be faster than everything else, just strong enough and fast enough and good enough at turning to protect my young. the speed comes into play only after you spot danger anyways.
wintry cipher
x.x ugh do i need to go and hunt nestlings again
good for western. ive fought a few packs there
that was fun
wintry cipher
oh
sick crescent
Cause they invited a random Utah
wintry cipher
you see why i say dont invite randoms
brittle bough
@elder swan i do not want to sit for 3 ass minutes on a menu doing nothing while i wait to safelog to go to bed lmao
elder swan
butu you have to admit 1 minute is too short. maybe up to 2 and a hlf minutes then
brittle bough
sit there and do nothing for 3 minutes right now, no chatting, no reading, no tabbing away 'cause you might die
wintry cipher
idea: what if logging out was prevented when you take 10% of your max hp in damage before that minute is up
elder swan
okay but what baut afk growing?
wintry cipher
that stops little guys from annoying big guys and preventing logging, like a dryo biting a rex
brittle bough
afk growing will be deterred by affinity
wintry cipher
...also isnt dilo 1.4k in weight?
lilac swallow
1200
brittle bough
@azure arch i believe i already mentioned this, but weight wont factor into combat post-recode i believe; itll be related to hunger instead. thats why weights are a bit fucked currently, because of their involvement in combat
wintry cipher
"The dilophosaurus is lighter than a utahraptor despite being quite a lot larger than it, which means it has less health."
utah has 1,000 weight and 1,200 hp
dilo has 1,200 weight and 1,200 hp. it wins in a facetank hands down.
@azure arch
brittle bough
the isle wiki is a bit wonky, take it with a lot of salt
wintry cipher
is trash
azure arch
Oh
azure arch
damn the wiki
wintry cipher
whos got the stats sheet?
brittle bough
when will we get a good wiki...
azure arch
https://the-isle-dinosaur-game.fandom.com/wiki/Dilophosaurus Got the info from here
I went and fixed the health
on it
Don't know who thought it had 1050 health..
barren zephyr
its easy to kill utahs, dilos and even carnos as galli bruh have you seen the bullet kick
paper oriole
galli shouldnt be running around killing things (not gonna lie i've used it to kill juvie apexes and utahs though) but it could use a shorter growth time alongside other herbis
ive assridden utahs so many times as galli lol and carnos are hardly anything to worry about with their shit turn radius
steady cosmos
@dire grove, if you make a queue, you wouldnt get in for a long ass time
indigo sun
Its so horrible refreshing though, and if you refresh a second too late you might miss a spot you've been trying to get for minutes. I think a queue would work just fine. It'll take less effort than constant refreshing and checking
steady cosmos
If you want to wait for 30 minutes (or more) while 100 or more other people want in the server
indigo sun
I'd be happier with that instead of constant clicking and hoping that there'll maybe be someone leaving and another person wont fill that spot instantly
steady cosmos
I know I wouldnt
bitter trench
Either way you'll be waiting, but without a queue you're very likely to miss open slots
I can't even touch Nycta 3
bitter trench
I don't want to spend an hour spamming refresh only to fail again
paper oriole
i dont see how a speed reduction buff when you're intimidated by something big would help anybody but whatever big thing is near you lol
pretty sure some sort of debuffs are coming for hanging around things you shouldnt for extended time with affinity anyway but reduced speed ehhhhh
dreamy wharf
@valid flower Quick question, do you think a gallimimus should be able to kill a carno easily?
Also, Dawnsy, a stress system was discussed awhile back it was found that it could actually just be abused by having larger animals sit around smaller ones to just constantly get them stressed out. Making gameplay just bad.
steady cosmos
@covert iris I like the idea of having an intimidation system, somewhat linked to affinity, but I dont think what you suggested describes what it would be like
indigo sun
I think that was more "these things arent on par with each other power-wise and thus shouldnt be the same growth time"
paper oriole
big things would bully water sources and other hot spots just to be cunts to animals they cant catch
covert iris
Exactly, but the intimidation would only kick in when you're extremely close to the said creature.
steady cosmos
I just think it should be a visual effect of some kind
covert iris
Ah
steady cosmos
over time it would get worse
covert iris
oh i get what you're saying
paper oriole
if they find a non griefable way to discourage mix packing that involves debuffs i'm all for it, pretty sure herbis are still going to get debuff for hanging around corpses or something unless those plans were dropped
im sure even that can be exploited by r00d corpse carrying carnis though i can see people being that petty
covert iris
yeah
paper oriole
most things can be exploited though to needlessly harrass others unfortunately, just need to make it less convenient for the people doing it
dreamy wharf
@indigo sun Late, but, thank you.
night mountain
Give giga intimidation
south flower
I've been seeing some queue suggestions as for servers and have a question to those suggesting it: What if you sign in for a queue and suddenly cannot be at the computer anymore (unexpected event occurred for example)? Would it eventually skip you and move to the next person on the list or would you automatically be accepted into the server?
night mountain
I’d assume it’s a button and if you don’t click it too bad
Or you just straight load in when it’s your turn
There or not
indigo sun
@short belfry 1.) Suggestions containing Buff/Nerf X are not allowed. 2.) I'm not quite sure what you mean with your suggestion. Para seems to be more on par with allo, not sucho
paper oriole
I agree that para could use a buff because im an herbi bias but "buff X" suggestions aren't allowed you needa write some backup for it
be like "para needs buffs in this department to help it with this problem that it has"
short belfry
barren zephyr
@valid zephyr
Can't post buff posts...sadly
valid zephyr
you can if they specify what to buff/nerf
it's only not allowed if they say buff or nerf without specifying what
formal vine
yeah
paper oriole
pachy needs some bleed res buff too he has paper skin
jovial blade
Unless it has bb
On low tiers
But if it's not getting bb it needs better bleed res
It's just too easy to bleed out pachy it's almost like anky lol
valid zephyr
added the bleed res to the suggestion
the fact that utah easily bleeds it out despite being smaller and not a bleeder is silly
@lime inlet maybe if you're adding suggested values in there, but you should not be asking questions there
lime inlet
Oh well were can i ask questions.
valid zephyr
e.g. When stego is added give it x weight, y damage, and z bleed
the isle discussion would be best
lime inlet
Well ok
odd idol
Also make sure to read pinned messages in #general-feedback
valid flower
@dreamy wharf No, I’m saying that a Galli should not take long to grow
gaunt parcel
@barren zephyr i like the shaky camera suggesiton, however to be able to be turned on and off, some people suffer from motion sickness
barren zephyr
Yeah thats what i Said
gaunt parcel
o i didnt see woOPS sorry^
neat flicker
The devs and admins already do play.. lol
gaunt parcel
^
neat flicker
@rotund tartan
And with the recode along with locational damage, almost everything is going to change how you currently play
In fact you can turn on a few streams where you’ll see the admins and devs hopping in groups with other players
indigo sun
They've done some uhh not so great things that kinda feels like they dont play unfortunately, or if they do play, it feels limited cause theyre making decisions for things where those decisions werent exactly necessary and there were better options cough cough trike cough could been given a lower limit in herds
And herbivores have pretty much died out cause of changes they made
gaunt parcel
there should be something that makes herbis more enjoyable
indigo sun
It's all carnivores, trikes are gone cause they cant group, as are all the other herbivores because when they herd without trikes nothing stops an apex from just killing everything
Then people complain herbivores dont move but when we do we get killed instantly without any sort of protection
So I agree with that suggestion
Or when things are "fine" but in fact suck ass like cerato's bleed res
rotund tartan
on EU1... since EU2 Died... there are almost 0 herbies
indigo sun
Same thing on the US servers
No one's playing them anymore unless its like an event or something, like the hadrosaur herd we had last week
indigo sun
And that hardly lasted half an hour cause we got murdered by two apexes instantly
rotund tartan
and shit apex people start to cry
when they killed
that's the problem
we dont defend
so many bad people that play rex and giga out there
but they cry
we dont
gaunt parcel
tbh, it's just a carnivore deathmatch
indigo sun
If you ask anyone who isnt a streamer, you'll find herbivores really relied on shit that y'all took away, like trikes being in herds. Without trikes, no one can defend themselves and the herbivore population, which had already plummeted severely, dropped to almost 0 because of that shit
rotund tartan
yep
and now... I.m playing as a dilon on eu1
I've never seen dilos on Eu1
now.. for 2/3 weeks
30 dilos .. easy
valid zephyr
yep barely any herbis anymore
indigo sun
So I'm thinking that maybe... just maybe... it's cause they didnt check to see that it would even work out for both sides before doing it
rotund tartan
10/15 utahs
valid zephyr
it's got worse and worse since progression went
one thing after another making herbis less and less viable
rotund tartan
they just listened to shit rex players that died to 2/3 rexes
indigo sun
Optimal?
oak shale
Why wouldn’t people play herbis
indigo sun
At this point they should just make herbivores ai if theyre gonna destroy their chances at survival
gaunt parcel
^
rotund tartan
asking a question to answer another question ?
oak shale
There are plenty who would like to know your location rn
umbral prairie
because you can grow a carni as strong or stronger in the same time and can do more stuff with it than sit on a mountain or die
oak shale
Personally not much of a herbi player
random knoll
i play on us 1 quite a bit and other then people i nest and my friends i dont see other herbies
random knoll
the only reason i can get a herd going is because i found a great spot
rotund tartan
<@&505047238674874368> read the chat and report to developers
indigo sun
Almost no one plays herbivore because such a huge percentage of servers are apexes; trikes, the only herbi apex cant even help out other herbivores leaving them to die to the apex carnivores; and they dont have anythig going for them whatsoever
rotund tartan
sry for the tag
gaunt parcel
don'T TaG
random knoll
bad
indigo sun
I love herbivores but I'm not gonna play something that gets fucked if i move five feet
rotund tartan
if it's for helping the sv..
I see no reason why not
imagine calling the cops to tell them something
gaunt parcel
that's a different scenario, however i think they can be tagged if there is rule breaks or exploit in servers?
gaunt parcel
yeah
indigo sun
It is a known issue that everyone with half a brain is complaining about and nothing is getting done about it. You could just reintroduce trike mixherding it's not even a stats thing at this point. Just that would help a little bit
valid zephyr
herbis just need somthing to make them viable
indigo sun
Heaven cause thats where they all went when they died off?
random knoll
no
umbral prairie
I thought maybe it would make more people go herbi if herbi growth times were set down a bit? not sure if that is a good idea though
random knoll
paradise
rotund tartan
this game will turn to be carni vs carni
umbral prairie
also maia growth would stay as it is now
random knoll
theres a spot there were it makes it hard for carnis to get to the herbis
indigo sun
That might help yeah, but doesnt change that herbivores cant do shit against apexes and get fucked over
umbral prairie
I think especially trike needs a buff
might get that with collision and locational though
gaunt parcel
i must be a really bad player, whenever i see that a dino needs a buff, i get completely destroyed by it no matter what dino i'm playin
indigo sun
Trike cant even defend against other apexes despite the, yknow, giant ass spears on its face
rotund tartan
1 v 1 ... a trike will always loose
indigo sun
Sure it can kill little things but trikes are walking burgers
rotund tartan
vs apex
gaunt parcel
my friend could always beat me as trike
i tried spino, giga, rex, no alt turn
then i'm really bad hahah
random knoll
good trikes can take apexes but most of the time the trike is alone adn the rex or giga is in a group
barren zephyr
Lone trikes are a snacks
rotund tartan
all my friends... kill a trike... as an apex.. EASY
gaunt parcel
well then i totally suck at the game if that's the case
rotund tartan
not even 3d screen
barren zephyr
Its the dilos feet that glide on the ground that annoy me
formal vine
And people dont use it that much
barren zephyr
For people who do z walk/ crouch the animation shouldn't be to where it slides so far back on the ground.
Looks weird in my opinion.
formal vine
Yeah it does
echo nexus
@fathom harness velos can eat from smaller bodies, it's just really hard.
indigo sun
You could just make it not hard
barren zephyr
Same with barys. Had a full grown shant body and took a long time to find the right spot to eat it from.
barren zephyr
that is true dilo crouch is super slow not sure why ppl dont want it to be faster
Its trot is fast, has nice bleed, decent sprint and all. Id say atleast fix the animation as it does look weird if not make it faster.
indigo sun
@fathom harness the only nerfs people want are to make it slower or on par with dilo while still being fast enough to escape an apex so the current consensus is 40-42
barren zephyr
@fathom harness discussion goes here btw
lilac swallow
And no, Maia isnt the only midtier herbi who can scape apex
grave karma
para?
lilac swallow
Just run as soon as you see it
barren zephyr
and if you play it smart, dryo can aswell
lilac swallow
Galli isnt midtier
lilac swallow
Np
barren zephyr
thought all herbs lol
grave karma
cant dryo outrun rex ambush?
barren zephyr
idk actually
grave karma
oh checked and it cant
grave karma
atleast in pure speed
lilac swallow
Idk, but does the dryo player is stupid enought to let a Rex get close for a 6 sec ambush?
grave karma
can a full adult dryo defeat a full juvie utah?
wintry cipher
@fathom harness Utah (which is slower than maia) can outrun an allo ambush at point blank base speed, so "an allo can catch a maia through ambush" is not a valid reason. Utah is not a threat to maia and in fact maias chase them down to kill them; even full blown packs, which relegates them to sitting on rocks a lot and otherwise encourages inactivity and afk behavior.
The reason maia needs a mild speed nerf is because it uses that speed both to escape ambushing predators that are dangerous to it (leaving them without a feeling of reward for properly creeping up before getting spotted) and to abuse the dinos it can catch. A perfect example of an op dino; like old giga used to be.
That's also not a suggestion as much as a comment meant for isle discussion.
umbral prairie
walking snack for rexes because it would run barely slower as the rex ambush
which lasts 6 seconds
and only covers like 70 meters
lilac swallow
But muh Rex is op
umbral prairie
if the rex doesn't start ambushing you while being 5 meters away from a maia it would still escape them
lilac swallow
Instead of having one herbi being a little op and the res being a little underpowered why not have all herbis being nice
And yes, ambush is meant to outspeed faster prey, if you buff someone's speed just because an ambush outspeed It what the point of ambush
valid zephyr
I think a smol pachy like jump for dilo would be nice
night mountain
Why do people hate the concept of jumping dilo so much anyway
lilac swallow
Idk
night mountain
just don't give it a huge utah jump so it can't like jump over and bite other dinosaurs and you're good
lilac swallow
I dont actually like It but not to a point of disliking it
grave karma
why does pachy have a landing animation?
neat flicker
@fathom harness you would post discussions here, not in the suggestions tab itself
azure arch
Make dilo's jump 3/4 the height of a utah's
Dilo SHOULD be able to jump.
It weighs literally the same as utah..
and even PACHY can jump!
lilac swallow
While i do agree weight isnt really the only thing affecting the capability of jumping
gentle blade
Aside from maybe game balancing I can't see why dilo shouldn't be allowed to jump even a little bit.
barren zephyr
@lilac swallow ^~
Exactly.
You first need powerful legs.
and adaptations
that ALLOWS you to jump
barren zephyr
Wth
azure arch
Guess what- It jumps.
lilac swallow
If It were for weight only all juvies including juvie trike should jump
azure arch
Those legs look pretty long to me
lilac swallow
2 sticks
azure arch
It should be able to jump at least a little bit
Maybe half the height a utah can jump
valid zephyr
it should jump similar to pachy
barren zephyr
Look at its powerful legs
valid zephyr
just enough to climb onto rocks
azure arch
^
lilac swallow
Im not denying It could jump for Gameplay purposes
barren zephyr
when did i swear
barren zephyr
oh 'shit'?
are you serious
are you made of sugar
how is "shit" such a bad swear
azure arch
Does dilophosaurus have a dossier even?
barren zephyr
its something everyone uses and no one seems to have a problem seeing.
i think its not even a swear
lilac swallow
@azure arch saying "those who down thumb are salty" doesnt help your suggestion
azure arch
It was a joke
That's why I put the emoji
Guess I need to clarify..
But aren't we forgetting about dilo's good leg break resistance?
Don't tell me it's only there for dilo to run off cliffs.
Dilo can fall a decent distance without breaking a leg.
barren zephyr
i have broken my dilo's legs countless times on rocks
when i do play dilo that i s
azure arch
🤷 Don't know what kind of rocks you've been falling off of
But I've never broken a leg falling as a dilo.
oak shale
I’d like a jump for dilo
azure arch
You know those waterfalls you find at swamp in v3?
oak shale
maybe not too high
azure arch
I was able to fall off of them multiple times without breaking a leg
So was the rest of my pack
oak shale
but a jump to help get around stuff
azure arch
^
oak shale
non the less
barren zephyr
Should be as short as a galli
jovial moss
A jump less for function and more for fun?
azure arch
Jump to get around stuff.
barren zephyr
But why does it need a jump omg
azure arch
And to be able to climb on things for safety during the day
barren zephyr
its a nocturnal hunter
azure arch
Oh my god.
lilac swallow
That means It doesnt really needs
azure arch
Oh my god
Ghidorahhhh
It won't jump as high as utah
Maybe have a little bit of a higher jump than galli
oak shale
This is getting out of hand
oak shale
Unless it’s been proven that dilo couldn’t jump
barren zephyr
oak shale
theres no harm in having one imo
night mountain
I think almost everything small should have a jump tbh
jovial moss
I don't think dilo having pachy's jump would even help it escape predators anyway
oak shale
^
barren zephyr
dilo doesnt seem fit to have a jump because it doesnt need a jump.
azure arch
It does need a jump
azure arch
It's slow and vulnerable during the day
jovial moss
Utahs can only get away with it because theirs is so gd high
azure arch
It should be able to escape on to rocks
oak shale
Being nocturnal =/= not needing a jump
azure arch
^
night mountain
Hey guys please remove the irl ability of wolves to jump because they don't need to in the wild, nature is doing it wrong
oak shale
Leopards
barren zephyr
wolves do kinda need jumps
azure arch
..
barren zephyr
Dilos wouldnt.
azure arch
Then so do dilos.
oak shale
they are mostly nocturnal
azure arch
Wolves are fast, they don't NEED to jump.
lilac swallow
This a game
jovial moss
lol
barren zephyr
this is a really disgusting comparison
oak shale
Aight
azure arch
Lol
oak shale
owls can jump
barren zephyr
they have nothing to eachother
oak shale
jovial moss
Owls are also 5 pounds
oak shale
True
azure arch
They also don't have legs built for jumping
oak shale
but eh
oak shale
I just don’t see why giving dilo a jump would be so bad
night mountain
same
azure arch
Yeah
night mountain
make dilo able to jump off cliffs and open its frill so it can float down harmlessly like an umbrella
barren zephyr
its over. DILO does not NEED a jump and it doesnt deserve one. why do people want dilo to just be a discount utahraptor.
azure arch
Jebus
jovial moss
I think having a tiny jump for dilo wouldn't be game breaking but it definitely wouldn't help it escape, any rocks you could crawl half way up are the perfect head height for rex and giga to bite you
barren zephyr
why would people play as a utah
azure arch
Faster, higher jump.
barren zephyr
dilo is a little bit stronger and has powerful bleed
azure arch
Dilos dont need a high jump.
night mountain
Still no one can give an actual REASON dilo shouldn't get a jump. "It doesn't need it" is a bad reason, since it doesn't break it one way or another.
barren zephyr
^^
azure arch
^^^
lilac swallow
Being faster means shit when you out run almost the same
night mountain
If it actually made dilo broken or something that'd be valid but it doesnt
azure arch
A good jump for dilo would be a slightly higher than galli
azure arch
OwO herra is fast and can jump!
night mountain
dryo and pachy and galli don't need jumps either but here we are
azure arch
Discount utah!
barren zephyr
herrera is not survival.
azure arch
It will be