general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

You know that right?

[blazing charm]

One moment.

[barren zephyr]

...

austro can pin down shit

big diffrence

wait nvm I have my dinos confused

[barren zephyr]

Carry on lmao

[blazing charm]

Yeah, clearly.

[barren zephyr]

That would be interesting to play tbh

[blazing charm]

Again, it would get boring afterwhile

[barren zephyr]

maybe for a little while

ye

similar to velo.... actually

[blazing charm]

If you HAD to have a super tiny Carnivore

yeah, was about to say

[still temple]

"compy wasn't much smaller than Austro"

okay

[barren zephyr]

Velo's are hella tiny

Jurassic park got it so wrong

[viral creek]

Considering that compy would most likely get shitfucked by a taco, solo. There wouldn't be much to do. Not much to hunt. A large portion of players won't bother hunting you cause you're not worth their time.

[blazing charm]

Yes, we know.

[barren zephyr]

but i meant have it scientifically accurate like this image

[blazing charm]

Wha

I

[still temple]

wat

[barren zephyr]

not the brown one, its the green thing

[still temple]

is that

[blazing charm]

Okay, let's take this one step at a time.

[barren zephyr]

Is that... Gmod?

Compsognathus is actually way smaller than that and it WOULD probably have feathering.

[blazing charm]

So, that brown thing isn't a compy.

[barren zephyr]

NOT the brown one, brown is troodon

thats a troodon/latenivenatrix

IS green, green is accurate compy

[blazing charm]

Alright, just stay with me here

[barren zephyr]

go ahead

[still temple]

also Austro size, for ppl who still don't realise the smaller creatures of TI are still pretty big

[barren zephyr]

[blazing charm]

That is still, super big by the looks of it.

[barren zephyr]

Anthomnia said he thought austro was tiny

ol

like in 2017

[still temple]

And Anth is a trash source for info

[barren zephyr]

yeah

well, for a dinosaur, it was tiny, but compared to human, no its almost same size

[viral creek]

Similar height, but much longer.

[barren zephyr]

yup

[still temple]

Yes, a crudely edited image of a JWE screenshot is more accurate than the also crude but not as bad screen shot

[barren zephyr]

lol

Never trust Jurassic World for accurate representations

sorry UwU

WTF

[still temple]

Anyways if you want to play as a small carni, just play velo. @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

EVEN SOMEONE WITH BRAINCELLS would notice JP/JW is fucking innacurate

^

' compy was the same size as an austro '

fuck no it was not

@barren zephyr i mean their suchomimus is pretty accurate but thats #401470471750811669

[still temple]

no shit it isn't lmao

[barren zephyr]

'jurrasic world is not accurate' 😃

can’t tell if this is paleo or offtopic 👀

haha

[still temple]

"The Compsognathus is related to the Austroraptor"
"As in, they are almost the same. Small scavengers"
"the Compsognathus wasn't much smaller"

[blazing charm]

@barren zephyr What is it with you and braincells?

Anyway, where were we?

[barren zephyr]

@still temple i would like to play velo, but it is TOO small, i'm looking for something about the size of a dryo, but fast af

[still temple]

Then play herrera

[blazing charm]

So, Herrera?

[barren zephyr]

that isn't weak,

[still temple]

@barren zephyr didn't you suggest Compy, which is smaller than velo

[barren zephyr]

MMMMHHHHMMMM no its not

[still temple]

If it's the size of a dryo, then it's gonna be weak

[blazing charm]

Herrera isn't balanced for Survival, if it were to be implemented it would need a rework-

[still temple]

are you positively sure about Velo not being bigger than compy

[blazing charm]

Compy is smaller/lighter than Velo

[barren zephyr]

very, i'm trying to find a n image now

[still temple]

okay

[lilac swallow]

Have i just seen someone saying compy is related to austro?

[still temple]

good luck with that

[barren zephyr]

haha

[still temple]

yes, @barren zephyr did

I mean, if you stretch it, i guess you could argue that they're both theropods 🤷

[blazing charm]

They're both dinosaurs.
😎

DEBUNKED

EXPOSED

[lilac swallow]

Rex and austro are as close than compy and austro

Being close means shit even if It were actually close

[torn thistle]

TL;DR Compy too small

Heck, it's a bit smaller than Psittaco, though there's a model still in the backburner for it.

[barren zephyr]

ok, i found two images, compy has a dozen different species, 🙄 go figure, so the smallest compy species WAS smaller than velo, but the largest compy species was bigger, NOT dryo size but still bigger

[blazing charm]

Oh boy, dying to see this.

[barren zephyr]

haha

[blazing charm]

I'm gonna go on a limb, and say one of them is from Prehistoric Wildlife

[torn thistle]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Compysizes1.png

[still temple]

Provide sources, and iirc max sized velos can get up to 2.5m

[blazing charm]

I already posted that one Bhal

[torn thistle]

Well

You smell

[blazing charm]

NO

YOU

[still temple]

kek

[torn thistle]

Anyways, at most Compy might just be stuck as an AI scanvenger like Veloci.
https://i.imgur.com/Biq0oFw.png

[lilac swallow]

Basically they are saying a Chihuahua and a cheetah are both close, and similar sized

[blazing charm]

Dude are you still on this Austro thing?

[lilac swallow]

I got late on the convo

I stop now

[blazing charm]

I'm still waiting for these two pictures on Compy

[night mountain]

Yes it’s a myth I was kiddin haha

[barren zephyr]

oh ok 😄

[still temple]

only 1 (number 5) is compsognathus, and that size chart up there is nasty

[barren zephyr]

5 is the compy we are familiar with

[still temple]

wdym "different species" of compsognathus

[blazing charm]

So lemme get this straight

[indigo sun]

Entirely too small for anything playable

[blazing charm]

you got a bunch of dinosaurs with different names, but just happen to look like Compy

[still temple]

iirc there's only c. longipes that's valid

@blazing charm he just posted a Compsognathidae size chart

[barren zephyr]

woh,woh,woh,woh, woh,...... lets all just calm down, cause this feels aggressive idk why probs isn't 🤷

[blazing charm]

Okay but, who the fuck is gonna know what a "Sinocalliopteryx" is?

[still temple]

Compsognathidae =/= Compsognathus.
Compsognathus is a genus, and Compsognathidae is the whole family

[barren zephyr]

yup 😃

[still temple]

we're only talking about Compsognathus here, the rest of the family is irrelevant

[blazing charm]

Honestly, even after all that. If we chose the...not gonna bother

It would still kept stomped by anything Herrera sized or larger

[indigo sun]

None of the dinosaurs in that size chart are large enough. Just hope for herrerra or austro in survival. Or pteranodon. It's literally the size of dryo

[torn thistle]

https://i.imgur.com/6pKwUwF.png

[barren zephyr]

yeh, i just wanted something small, that isn't ai, and isn't weak af sorry i started this whole discussion on this ^.^ i feel awkward now

[lilac swallow]

The only way to make compu playable is to make playable a bunch of velo sized dinos to create a new tier

Np @barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

austro @barren zephyr

that is don't have to spawn in -_-

[lilac swallow]

Herrera is the smaller doable thing as is dryo sized

[indigo sun]

You could just say "add austro or herrerra to survival and here's why they'd be a good choice." You've got small creatures in sandbox already with no need to make another even smaller, weaker dinosaur

[still temple]

The largest Velociraptor specimen was described by Currie in 2015.
At 36 kg, and 2.6 meters long. @barren zephyr
Much larger than compsognathus.

[barren zephyr]

brb

austro would been pretty strong if it got added

[torn thistle]

Thing is, you also need some good ideas for gimmicks along with a dino suggestion.

[barren zephyr]

like it could pounce

[torn thistle]

Plus... tbh the only fun little dino I could see might be Velociraptor, but even then there's animals that'd do its job better.

[blazing charm]

Deinonychus yo

[barren zephyr]

deinonychus is pretty huge

[still temple]

Allow Herrerasaurids to make a return

bls

[barren zephyr]

would been a better ai than velo

[blazing charm]

Well, wouldn't it be smaller than Herrera atleast?

[torn thistle]

Yeah, it'd be like...I want to say up to Herrera knees, but I don't know how tall in-game Herrera is to a human

[blazing charm]

Well, if the super small stuff isn't viable you could atleast push for something smaller than Herrera but still-

Holy jesus

Just gonna.

Nab that.

for uh

[still temple]

Herrera could be our first terrestrial, carnivorous non-dinosaur. (IF you decide to go with Cau's 2018 phylogenetic analysis)

[blazing charm]

later

[barren zephyr]

it ate prey way bigger than itself

[torn thistle]

https://imgur.com/ipCpYeP

Pack animals tend to do that

[still temple]

inb4 ppl still asking for Microraptor

[blazing charm]

I'unno, I personally don't see how the super tiny animals could really work-

NO

NO MORE MICRORAPTOR

[still temple]

[barren zephyr]

Yay microraptor!

[still temple]

" but dindo I wanna plAy as gliding compy that's slower than Taco"

[barren zephyr]

i guess it would been a cool background ai

[lament thorn]

you wouldnt even see it

[still temple]

I think the fireflies and dragonflies fills it's niche pretty well

[blazing charm]

Man I sure do love tree compies

[barren zephyr]

then what about climbers, but that would be far too op, wouldn't it?

[still temple]

depends on how u do it

[indigo sun]

Herrerra could climb or somethin

[still temple]

Herrera being able to make dens wen

[blazing charm]

Herrera could do alot of things tbh

Hell yeah, diggy boi

[still temple]

Hell, he probs ain't even a dinosaur

could do a lot of stuff with that

[barren zephyr]

i THINK only carnis that were smaller than utah/somthing could climb based of THE POWER OF SCIENCE

a.k.a physics

how would climbing be made a useful mechanic tho

[blazing charm]

Escaping from danger

[indigo sun]

Trees were huge back then werent they? Maybe something a bit bigger that's suited for it could.
Either ambush or escape, similar to a burrow

[blazing charm]

Abboreal ambushing

[mental sleet]

for herbivores, fruits.

[barren zephyr]

herrera would need a major speed nerf then

lmao, a herbi that could climb XD

honestly i feel like climbing fits austro more

[still temple]

nah

[indigo sun]

A fisher?

Climbing fits the duck?

[barren zephyr]

an all terrain

[still temple]

Austro do a dive, do a swim, and do a fish

he no do a climb

[barren zephyr]

its funny cause some ducks do climb large trees to lay eggs

[still temple]

but size and mass difference

and ducks have the ability to fly

[indigo sun]

Austro would not climb, if you consider its food source would be fish, why would it need to climb in the first place. Herrerra would be better at it, as it could ambush larger prey from trees to try and take it down since it doesnt mainly eat fish

[barren zephyr]

i guess thats a factor

okay fine then

what speed would herra be to benefit from that

[steady cosmos]

@loud vine Terror birds sounds like a bad idea to me

[loud vine]

Sounds hilarious to see carnivorous ostriches running around tho

[indigo sun]

We've already got gallis though

so i dont see the need to add a carnivore galli

[loud vine]

they arent carnivores

[indigo sun]

or just a smaller carno

[indigo sun]

yeah i dont see what they would bring to the game

[loud vine]

terror

[lilac swallow]

They would just be another utah/dilo

[blazing charm]

What niche would they fill?

What unique mechanics could they have?

[loud vine]

they could hunt carnos and utahs

[indigo sun]

it's just a carnivorous galli

[loud vine]

reduce mass packs of those

[blazing charm]

Carnos?

[indigo sun]

is that it?

[blazing charm]

really?

[lilac swallow]

Hunt carnos? How?

[indigo sun]

cause terror birds arent that big

[blazing charm]

When you say that

do you mean a SINGLE Terror Bird could take on packs?

[jovial saddle]

thing is

[blazing charm]

I'm going somewhere with this, stay with me

[loud vine]

in packs, christ people

[jovial saddle]

Diplo was like 13-20 tonnes

nothing could kill it

[lilac swallow]

How you hunt a carno in first place? Being faster? No thanks

[blazing charm]

Okay, so. A pack of terror birds

[indigo sun]

so its only reason for existing is killing two dinosaurs, one of which it has to hunt in packs

[blazing charm]

Why can't a pack of ANY other creature do this?

Ceratos? Allos?

Hell, DILOS

[loud vine]

Can we just not argue bout this bullshit

i was suggesting

[umbral prairie]

why do people keep asking for terror birds in a game about recreated dinosaurs? I know terror birds are technically dinosaurs but they still wouldn't fit in imo

[loud vine]

not arguing

fuckin hell

[indigo sun]

we're not arguing, we're discussing your suggestion about terror birds and why it wouldn't really work with the game.

[blazing charm]

^

[umbral prairie]

terror bird would just be a utah without pounce

nothing special

[loud vine]

Yall can discuss it, I'm off to play a game

[umbral prairie]

not really a unique playstyle

[blazing charm]

Like, if you post a suggestion we are free to discuss it.

[steady cosmos]

Terror bird is basically a utah with a hatchet

[indigo sun]

i love when people get mad when we talk about their suggestions and how they wouldn't work out with the game

[night mountain]

Sleep continues to be my very least favorite suggested mechanic. It just is SO boring and risky

[blazing charm]

There is so much time spent sitting around doing nothing, why do people want more of that?

[loud vine]

The game is supposed to be a horror game and challenge, hence the fact I suggested a challenge for gigas and rexes, a diplo, they can run and tear the sides up for chunks of flesh, but risk being whipped.

Dondi is adding bowhunting that I believe should tell a rex to gtfo if I remember right

So get your sorry asses over it and quit getting upset bout suggestions that make the game a challenge

[umbral prairie]

afaik brachi is coming to survival as an AI for gigas to hunt

[blazing charm]

??????

[loud vine]

Christ

[indigo sun]

M

*?

Fuckin phone keyboard

[mental sleet]

[loud vine]

Sleep would add onto the aspect of would you be killed or not

[umbral prairie]

sure diplo would be a bit different but I'm not sure if they want to spend thousands of dollars to make diplo, which would furfill the same role as an existing dino

[blazing charm]

Nobody even mentioned the Diplo

[indigo sun]

One person mentioned diplo

No one got upset here except for you. We were quite calm about all this.

[steady cosmos]

IMO diplo isnt needed

[umbral prairie]

agreed

same with terror birds

[loud vine]

I'm not upset actually, I'm tired of everyone disagreeing with pretty good suggestions if you think about them.

[steady cosmos]

Kacchan

people can have opinions

[loud vine]

Plus I just woke up.

[umbral prairie]

getting dirty might be cool, or having blood around your mouth when having bitten, killed or eaten something

[indigo sun]

We personally dont agree with your suggestions. We have opinions.

[loud vine]

I get that.

[indigo sun]

I like the getting dirty bit. That's cool

I'd love if carnivores would have blood around their mouths

[mental sleet]

dinosauriac mentioned that being tricky

iirc

[umbral prairie]

why would that be tricky

[mental sleet]

let me go find the convo.

[indigo sun]

When carnivores eat, just put blood around the mouth. I dont know how that would be so hard

[umbral prairie]

maybe I'm missing something but I can't imagine ading some red textures for every carnivore that appear when killing or eating

[blazing charm]

Personally not a fan of the dirty/mud thing.

The idea of getting sick or wounds getting infected seems like something that's rather uncounterable unless you're just constantly dipping into the water. Now, I do like the idea of bathing in either mud or water being an Affinity feature, rather than "If you don't take a bath you're gonna get screwed"

[umbral prairie]

being hard

[blazing charm]

But that's just me.

[topaz sierra]

Maybe he was refering to the getting dirty part being tricky

Dunno, havent seen the convo, just saying

[steady cosmos]

That could be balanced jaffad

you wont always be wounded

[blazing charm]

The Smarter dinosaur thing doesn't really make sense considering we're gonna have Tribals and Cannibals.

[barren zephyr]

I’m a fan of the dirt thing only if it’s for aesthetics

[blazing charm]

^

[topaz sierra]

Sure, and clean up with a quick swim for example

[umbral prairie]

illnesses could be a part of bad affinity, but they could get very annoying depending on how they would be implemented

[mental sleet]

can't find the convo, rip.

[blazing charm]

Like, Affinity, Aesthetics and camoflague yeah. But getting sick? No.

And finally as for the Diplodocus I'd honestly just wait until Carmara is tested, because Dilplo just seems like it'd have the very problems Carmara might be able to work around.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I don’t need a reason to be sick IRL and in game haha, it’s a fun suggestion to play around with but idk if people would like it

But like jaffad said

Camo? Pretty sick

[loud vine]

Well utahs could technically be a setback to the mercs, popping tires, or rexes could throw around cars or rip down wires.

But meh.

Rexes tend to give no fucks so

[topaz sierra]

Rexes turning vehicles upside down sounds nice.

[loud vine]

See, Yam here gets it

[topaz sierra]

And they will definitely add vehicles, so sure why not, dunno how hard it is to program though

[loud vine]

would be funny if they could throw them, get it stuck in a tree

lol

[topaz sierra]

It would add to the game

[loud vine]

That for some reason amuses me

seeing the players just dangle from the car

or if they lept out

just staring while hidden

just hope the rex doesnt sniff

[topaz sierra]

They could even get damaged from the impact.

[loud vine]

yep

[topaz sierra]

We'll just have to wait and see what they add in the end

[loud vine]

Mhm

[topaz sierra]

We obviously cannot know right now

[blazing charm]

Wait, just going back over this

[loud vine]

I really wanna see how damaging bowhunting is to rexes, so good thing I'm friends with a co-owner of a server

[blazing charm]

Did you imply a Rex picking up a car and throwing it into a tree?

[topaz sierra]

Not picking

More like pushing, I assumed

[loud vine]

I mean if it really wanted to it could but

it could probably also slam it into a tree with its muzzle/jaws without picking it up

[topaz sierra]

Ye, picking it up with its jaws would seem weird to me, I cannot picture that.

[blazing charm]

I kinda feel like you're overestimating the strength of a Trex. Flipping a car, yeah. But I don't see a Rex THROWING a car.

Like, if it were a Strain or something, maybe.

[topaz sierra]

I meant flipping/pushing

[loud vine]

A hypo wouldnt bother, it would step on it

lol

[topaz sierra]

Not that a normal Rex cannot

[blazing charm]

"I mean if it really wanted to it could but"

[loud vine]

I dont mean by like the middle like jurrassic park style

and not fully in the air

i mean by say the side and do a dragging movement with enough speed that it take a little air and hits a tree

[viral creek]

Not sure if I agree with the sleep suggestion

Forcing players to lay around and do nothing for so-and-so amount of time, is no fun

[loud vine]

Adds on horror that dondi probably wants

[blazing charm]

That's not adding horror.

That's just adding padding

[loud vine]

would you be terrifyed to sleep and hear a rex as a juvi say, trike

or sub trike

[topaz sierra]

A general idea of having perks tied to the affinity system would seem better I think.

[blazing charm]

Horror, is being dropped into a hostile enviroment where every sound could be something stalking you, every shadow could be something lurking JUST out of sight. It keeps you on edge.

What you're proposing, is just finding some bush or far off corner of the map, sleeping and then pulling up a tab with YouTube.

The only "Horror" I can see from that is a Jumpscare when something attacks you, and that is basically the lowest form of horror.

[loud vine]

doesnt need to be a lot of sleep, sheesh

[blazing charm]

How long would you say?

[loud vine]

Not long enough for you to get super bored

[blazing charm]

That's super vague.

I want an estimate.

[topaz sierra]

If its 5 irl minutes, then okay, maybe.

How much is 5 minutes in ingame hours?

Approx.

[loud vine]

thats what i dont know lmfao

[topaz sierra]

xD

[loud vine]

if i knew then id answer lol

[topaz sierra]

5 minutes irl would seem more like a powernap

[loud vine]

maybe its 5 hours ingame

idfk

[topaz sierra]

I think its less than that

[loud vine]

welp

[topaz sierra]

By a lot too

[blazing charm]

We already sit down to heal, stop bleeding, regain stamina, heal broken bones. And while this isn't required, everyone does it. Sitting in a bush waiting to grow.

I get that sleeping would be an immersive thing, but to me it just feels like adding more reasons to sit down and do nothing.

[topaz sierra]

Well, he is not wrong on that.

[loud vine]

I mean it could just be toggled for realism servers

[mental sleet]

at that point it's a waste of time

[blazing charm]

Mods.

[loud vine]

That too

[topaz sierra]

I want to keep a part of your sleep suggestion, perks in general. And they are coming anyway.

[muted widget]

i think sleep could ONLY boost your stats by a little but not sleeping wouldnt have any effects. also slower hunger and thirst so it would be good for AFKing for a little

[coarse shell]

even if sleep was added i think it should just be a qol/affinity thing

slower hunger/thirst just promotes afk growth

[limpid dove]

@polar urchin Hatchling and Juveniles share the same model. I don't think that Baardo/the dev team would have made an additional model for something you'll only play as for 20-30 minutes and on rare occasions, sandbox.

[vestal rune]

Guys sleep is a fucking horrible idea, one of the current problems in the game is that it's way too easy and common to afk in a bush, we want to fix this problem. So why the fuck would you add a mechanic ENCOURAGING it

[brittle bough]

#JustMakeSleepAMoreEffectiveRestWithALongerGetupTimeAndDimScreen

[tender latch]

Nobody even noticed my suggestion rip

[torn thistle]

Think the devs have an idea for the type of guns they want, but some of those ideas are a bit decent.

[tender latch]

:3

[torn thistle]

Might wanna condense it too

[wintry cipher]

The only way I see sleep being used in the game other than being modded in as something that ultimately wastes your time is to punish AFK players and give others who are active a chance at finding and killing them for much needed resources such as food, skin, or bones. ie: you want to afk in one spot for 15+ minutes? you fall asleep and start snoring. loudly.

[vestal rune]

ye that could be interesting

[wintry cipher]

mind you, that wouldnt be much punishment if you are prepared and hide yourself well to wait out night time until daylight comes. so for those who are alert, they arent likely to give themselves away while waiting out the night

[night mountain]

Yeah I cannot think of ANYTHING that sounds more unpleasant to gameplay with than a sleep mechanic.

yeah afk sleeping is fine tho

[wintry cipher]

mhm. and it gives a tip-off to other players

ways to get out of sleep? stand up. move around a little. or call

[cyan flame]

Couldn't sleep just be a more efficient way of recovering, and possibly a way to conserve food/water, at the risk of having a harder time hearing/seeing anything around you, making it a tradeoff for recovery/waiting out night or something, vs the risk of being very vunerable, and even slower to get up/react than just resting

[night mountain]

Yeah like that wouldn't be bad either as long as it's totally optional

having to do a daily sleep quota is the nightmare mode one

[wintry cipher]

Soemthing like that can work. We'll ultimately have to see which side of that coin the devs go for though. I would definetly appreciate a means to heal a bit faster; but that could be abused in combat situations.

[vestal rune]

@brittle bough we were literally just discussing why sleep would be a bad addition to the game lol

also I don't believe there should be a more efficient way like that

since we already have resting

[night mountain]

idk slates idea for it seems okay to me and i HATE sleep

[vestal rune]

it's a "you sleep and recover faster" idea

[brittle bough]

sleeping to heal faster would in the end decrease the amount of time youve gotta sit there doing fuck-all though

[vestal rune]

it's been suggested alot of times

but that's the point of resting

there's no point to sleep, it'll just encourage people to further AFK in bushes

[brittle bough]

how so, specifically?

[vestal rune]

well the idea is "resting but you heal quicker and get up slower" right?

[night mountain]

Okay hear me out here. The isles all about genetic experiments right? What if the bushes were carnivorous sometimes and only ate you if you sat in them for like 5 minutes :^)

[cyan flame]

Well, at some points there's nothing wrong with "afk"ing I'd say, it's not unreasonable to "wait", if you're waiting for prey to show up at an ambush spot or waiting out the night as something that really shouldn't be running around at night anyway, so, some extra healing, maybe only health actually, and potentially extra time before running out of food/water, as well as an extra long and loud(?) getting up animation

[vestal rune]

now, if there's this huge problem with getting up you'll only want to sleep when perfectly safe, AKA in a bush

[night mountain]

Make it so when you tab out you fall asleep and wet the bed and nearby predators can smell it. I think thats a 10/10 idea we can all get on board with

[vestal rune]

absolutely

[cyan flame]

Fuzzy? :p

[tender latch]

wat

((((echoing voice))))
W h a t i s i t m y b o y

[indigo sun]

You dont need to keep posting the same thing. Just... wait. Let people respond in their own time.

[tender latch]

Sry m8

;-;

(deletes myself)

[night mountain]

what if spino could breathe underwater through its cloaca like a turtle

so it could dive a long time

[crimson phoenix]

someone was suggesting the dilo being able to jump, I think it could jump in the past but I don't think the dilo needs a jump, if the dilo could jump then it would just be a slower better utah

[indigo sun]

Dilo has no reason to jump whatsoever. It'd be a waste. And I dont think pachy even utilizes its jump. Like galli, a jump for dilo is unecessary and useless.

[night mountain]

Honestly I kinda want it just to spite the dock utahs

[brittle bough]

dilos can jump but only in docks lul

[night mountain]

lol

wait is quetz gonna be the thing that FINALLY bones over dock utahs

[mental sleet]

if they use their brains

they will just sit in areas where you cannot get them directly

then the quetz either runs into the obstacles and dies horribly or the utah can predict it's path.

[night mountain]

😦

[mental sleet]

tl:dr quetz needs to be really good.

[night mountain]

i just really want something that climbs stuff

[barren zephyr]

whispers cannibals

[night mountain]

I mean, I honestly hadn't thought of them haha

but also big chungy lizard friend

[barren zephyr]

Ah I see

[barren zephyr]

@brittle bough
why?

and no im not gonna tag everyone that dislikes my suggestion

can i know why...wheres the issue in it?

[brittle bough]

little animals have been suggested fairly often
its a testing environment, random modern animals most likely wouldnt be thrown into it, other than birds and insects that might fly into it because they're birds and insects
ideally dinosaurs could be used to liven it up, once ai is less.. brainless, lol

[barren zephyr]

why dislike it tho...

welp.

[brittle bough]

..because i dont support the suggestion? thats what reactions are used for there

[barren zephyr]

k

[brittle bough]

approval/"i want this added" vs disapproval/"i dont want this added"

[mental sleet]

just because someone downvotes it it may not be because it's bad

[barren zephyr]

O K A YU

[mental sleet]

people often downvote when it's a repost, for example.

[barren zephyr]

caps lock why

its not a rpost

i nevrr post this beforee

[brittle bough]

aye, i would be fine with random modern animals if it wasnt meant to be a mostly-sterile testing environment

[barren zephyr]

anyway im done

byebye

[brittle bough]

and as mentioned, others have suggested it- well, if youre gonna be like that then lol

[barren zephyr]

k

[grave karma]

is this for suggestions already suggested only?

[night mountain]

Most of those really are too small, moles and weasels wouldn't even be noticable if you were on top of them. I'm down for ai animals in general though

[indigo sun]

Could add things in like beelzebufo for juveniles to catch, or for general swamp-goers to snack on

But mammals i think just dont feel right beyond the humanoid ones

[night mountain]

platybelodon would like to have a word with you

[indigo sun]

Thats fuckin freaky but i'd have to say still no, even as ai

[last remnant]

I don’t think that the megalania climbed btw

Besides that I think megalania would be a cool addition.

[night mountain]

Don't see any reason it wouldn't have, all monitors are pretty good climbers.

Obviously wouldn't be going up trees or anything though haha

[indigo sun]

Moniters can climb as babies
At least komodo dragons only climb as babies, and that's to escape the larger ones

[last remnant]

Well that’s as baby

I guess as juvies then they could climb.

[night mountain]

adult komodos can climb too, they just don't since there's nothing really up there for them.

if there was food up on a big rock they'd totally be up there in a heartbeat haha

[indigo sun]

I dont think theyre going for things up in trees then, like birds, since they dont do it often enough that it's considered common for adults to do so

[night mountain]

Yeah, they just don't climb because like, anything thats gonna be up in a tree is small and or fast enough to just leave

but yeah not saying to have em go up trees, just big rocks and hills and stuff

[jagged badge]

I think Megalania could be really cool and kinda like a counter part to Deinosuchus

Deinosuchus holds the water for the reptiles and Megalania the land

Would be neat lol

[hallow vigil]

@pale kite @barren zephyr #general-feedback isnt for discussion, u can do that here instead (neither of u are in trouble, to be clear)

[barren zephyr]

o

[pale kite]

oh okay sorry

[night mountain]

Why would you make females larger because they are in specifically birds of prey?

[jagged badge]

I mean there isn’t any fact dinosaur females were larger because well bones don’t have genitals believe it or not

[finite perch]

say that to the baculum

[night mountain]

I thought you could tell gender from the skeletons at least sometime?

[pale kite]

@barren zephyr some dinos have that but its not very loud sadly enough, i agree though

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, especially since hitboxes can be a little wonky

[finite perch]

before someone starts yelling at Sasquatchias I really think homeboy has a valid, valid point. most people wouldnt look at dibble as, say, a carno and realize that the actual matchup is way more sided towards the dibble. Especially if people aren't the type to give herbivores their salt, it ends with a lot of people running headlong into herbivores. I like Sasquatchias' suggestion, because it immediately put something into my brainpan here

because that was one of the most... implausible things to learn in-game, if you just sucked in combat or if you were actually outclassed

[brittle bough]

that could be interesting, perhaps it could be incorporated into affinity somehow; im not entirely sure how affinity will like, appear or work so im not sure how well it could fit into it, but some kind of intimidation/confidence thing when near another dinosaur

[finite perch]

Im feeling more of a UI thing, im gonna post it

[pale kite]

@formal vine what does hud mean?(i probably look like an idiot but i genuinely dont know

[formal vine]

Its the user interface

like the hunger

water

and stamina

[pale kite]

ahhh

okay thanks lol

[shell willow]

@pale kite (sorry for the @) but I’m 99% sure the devs already confirmed that they were not doing sexual dimorphism even if it’s just size. For aesthetic it would be ok, but it mostly serves roleplayers and not the game itself. I don’t really see a benefit to sexual dimorphism in that way.

[teal grotto]

@shell willow to be fair if it attract roleplayers more power to the game

[shell willow]

The purpose of the game though isn't to attract roleplayers. I'm pretty sure the last thing roleplayers give to the game is power..
The game is, iirc, supposed to be a bunch of a lot of things so that people with different interests can still enjoy the game, it's not going to be centered on a specific aspect of gameplay, like roleplay.

Feeding into that roleplaying side of the community will tap into a well of toxicity that I've dealt with before and I'd rather not see here, especially with sexual dimorphism of all things

[teal grotto]

Not every community is innocent for not being toxic people of the pvp community are much more toxic then roleplayers in my experience

[crimson phoenix]

Have the devs said that the islands are actually sterile testing environments? it seems silly to me, that they would destroy the ecosystem of an entire island just to let dinos run around on it. Even if the AE scientists are wanting to avoid the dinos encountering modern day species, I don't see why they would want a massive outdoor testing environment to be sterile, it feels to me that it would be more efficient to keep sterile environments underground and having less controlled tests taking place on the surface

[shell willow]

I never said it wasn't toxic. I'm just saying that feeding into roleplay is bound to lead to bad things. There's nothing wrong with a bit of aesthetic and realism in certain areas, like textures and models and sound, and a few other little things that add to the game's quality, but those things don't feed roleplayers. The things that feed into their fantasies are things like sexual dimorphism, mating calls, emotes, etc. that are really not necessary to the game whatsoever.

[crimson phoenix]

on the role playing thing, I don't think the devs will do much on that end, idk much about role players but I can say that based of RP custom games in Overwatch they can use anything to RP with

[shell willow]

Imo things that aren't there to improve the quality of the game/don't have a purpose just shouldn't be added. Nesting, for example, can be used for roleplay, but also has a pretty significant purpose for gameplay that will make itself known in the future with its mechanics. I don't see how sexual dimorphism and other things like it would have that impact.

[teal grotto]

Well it would help when the Dev's introduce that males are needed in order to have females make a nest it would expand the game if anything. Looking for a mate to create a nest? Look for the different sizes of the dino if the males or females are different sizes and other things it would give more opportunities to make the game more better and female will look for males or there color tastes to make a nest rather then just having someone nest as a single gender and become a spawning vat.

[shell willow]

But that really wouldn't help in gamemodes like survival, where dinos are almost always different sizes depending on their growth. Plus, males already have the color differences.

[teal grotto]

It would help them insanely

[lament thorn]

Plus most people are already in groups when they decide to nest

Not many people will need to go screaming for someone once males are needed

[shell willow]

^ This isn't a simulator or real life, it's not like a real animal that would make a hit and run with mating. At least, not always. Most people will only nest with people already in their group, just to make things easier.

[teal grotto]

Right now males have the short end of the stick

[lament thorn]

Eh

[shell willow]

Yes, but having a size difference doesn't lengthen their stick

lol

[finite perch]

[crimson phoenix]

id say males just have one less mechanic, not "the short end of the stick"

also males get detail colors

[teal grotto]

If anything im pretty sure dondi is looking for ways to make males be needed for nesting

[lament thorn]

Also with size differences that brings us to the issue of stats

[teal grotto]

Well a skill tree would fix that blue

[crimson phoenix]

I heard (I think here somewhere) the idea of males make the nest and females incubate

[teal grotto]

Which dondi as I heard has going to make

[crimson phoenix]

so that both are needed

[shell willow]

^

Something similar to that afaik

[lament thorn]

I assumed males would just press a button on the nest to start the process

[shell willow]

Males and females will most definitely both be needed to nest. There's just no reason for sexual dimorphism when it wouldn't really help or affect gameplay at all.

[lament thorn]

I think model differences would be nice

Eventually

[teal grotto]

So example increases size of a dino which increases strength health and other things.. But lowers other things

[lament thorn]

Like when the game is done

[crimson phoenix]

well it would affect gameplay, if a female rex was 1/4 larger, it would be easier to see or 1/4 heavier (thus being stronger)

[finite perch]

with customizable horns and stuff, it might be added. but dont hold your breath or expect any of it lol

[lament thorn]

Yeh having certain genders just be stronger by default is eh

[shell willow]

The devs already confirmed that ptera wouldn't have the sexual dimorphism that was confirmed in fossil records because it would either be tedious or they just don't feel like it. We'll see what happens but I understand and agree that it would affect stats and is mostly unnecessary other than the aesthetic.

[lament thorn]

Kinda screws over the weaker sex if they ever come into contact

[teal grotto]

@crimson phoenix @lament thorn as I said a skill tree that adds size differences andcsuch would be the idea.

[finite perch]

dondi has spoken on the topic before. a model costs 7 thousand dollars, and if you want a significant dimorphism you are really bleeding money to do it

its expensive, and theres much more work to be done to give the game more gameplay, valuable gameplay like affinity, flying, fishing, ect

[shell willow]

It'd be a praying mantis situation. If the female decides she's hungry or doesn't need the male, she'll just turn around and kill him on the spot because he's made to be weaker thanks to the sexual dimorphism, thus putting males on an even shorter stick, in your words.

[teal grotto]

@shell willow as I said skill trees

[lament thorn]

We are getting into something completely different here

[teal grotto]

Not really

[lilac swallow]

Sexual dimorphisn is okay if is just visual, like larger crest for para, but when It changes the stats of the dinos is not okay

[lament thorn]

^

[lilac swallow]

People would just go the better

[teal grotto]

If a skill tree that increases size of the character and other things it would be a thing. Or you put other skill points in and such.. Also im pretty sure its against the rules to group up with people just to kill them

[lament thorn]

I also thought we were getting sexual dimorphism in para? Then it was added and their crests were exactly the same XD

[finite perch]

well... if we're being real, and as a former mantis keeper, mantises are not hard-wired to eat their mates and often do not. its only if the female is starving, so it really is regular cannibalism hours 😶

[lament thorn]

Not the point of that example

[shell willow]

This isn't beasts of bermuda though??
Skill trees would be nice, but that would completely throw off the balance and niche that each dino is supposed to have. Dinos whose niches are hunters would suddenly become scavengers, thus throwing off their niche.

[crimson phoenix]

I don't see how a skill tree would balance it at all

[finite perch]

there will be ways to affect your stats with traits, though. the menu is already in the game

its also pinned in suggestions, iirc

[lament thorn]

If I was a larger more powerful female and I'd just used to my mate to breed I'd honestly just eat him so my kids have some easy food

[teal grotto]

@shell willow heard that skill trees would be a thing on the iske

Isle*

[shell willow]

Not much of a skill tree rather than perks

[finite perch]

if i were a male and knew that some females would eat me after mating, i would probably use it to bait females to me so I can eat them before they eat me lol

[lament thorn]

And never breed?

(Unless with friends)

[shell willow]

Over all, I don't mind sexual dimorphism as long as it is only visual, but my beef here is that if the male is way smaller than the female, it wouldn't make sense for it to weigh the same as a female and be the same speed. With that logic I'm not fond of the idea of drastic size differences that would have to affect stats to make any sense.

[crimson phoenix]

yea ive heard of the traits, like dondi talekd about cannibalism, (makes a dinos eyes red and lets them eat there own species without any debuffs) but having some perks only available to one gender would make balance much harder (like if male dilos could spit venom, but females couldn't or vise versa one would be picked over the other most of the time)

[finite perch]

i think we are all reaching wilder conclusions due to the lack of solid numbers here

[teal grotto]

I can see potential in sex differences in calls and other things.. Say female giga or Rex is looking for a partner.. The 5 key could be used for mating calls.. Say the female has a different sound in its roars from a males.

[shell willow]

Christ not this one

[lament thorn]

Yeh but why

[teal grotto]

Im just giving a suggestion

[lament thorn]

Just mate with a reliable trusting friend that's right next to you

[brittle bough]

i just think mating calls for males would be funny tbh, especially the more birdlike ones since most birds scream either for territory, friendship, or smash
but utahs don't need another annoying call to spam lul
in any case, local chat exists for lonely singles who meet up

[teal grotto]

If a male or female character wants to make a nest andsuch it be easier to locate them

[shell willow]

We don't. Need. Mating calls. It's feeding the roleplayers, and it's not a necessary mechanic to the game. It doesn't affect your gameplay in hardly any way. It's so much easier to just group with someone and ask in group chat if they want to nest. No calls required. We already have a 2 call.

[brittle bough]

I mean, affinity is also essentially encouraging roleplay so I don't really see why that's a tick against it

[shell willow]

Ffs??? A 5 call is basically dino tinder...

[lament thorn]

A brand new call for everyone dino

[teal grotto]

You know suggestion discussions is just throwing ideas around you don't have to shoot it down lol

[lament thorn]

We are discussing it tho

[shell willow]

Right now the game is in a spot that has a lot of heavy roleplay material because there's not much else to do, but when the game gets to its full potential, having nothing but roleplayers won't be good for the game in of itself.

All I'm saying is that it's not necessary

[finite perch]

a call still relies on the player to react upon the call and decide what to do and how to interpret it, but affinity is a direct positive-negative affair that will in theory deeply affect the gameplay itself, whether you interperet it one way or the other

[teal grotto]

Well im just giving ideas to help the game be better

[finite perch]

also if theres any mating call its gotta be this https://youtu.be/rfGmcF1A960

[lament thorn]

I can just imagine the mating call basically becoming even bigger bait then 2

[brittle bough]

luring in a desperate male with the promise of smash lul

[finite perch]

what if you mating called and a mercenary showed up?

[proud seal]

LMAO

[teal grotto]

Chickabowow

[shell willow]

yeah pretty much

I don't see hardly anyone using a mating call legitimately, for its purpose, to call out to any single dinos. It would be used mostly as roleplay and bait like Blue said

[teal grotto]

Idk there are servers that would support it and place rules down to prevent it as using it as bait.

[finite perch]

I think, as it stands, a 1 call essentially works as a mating call. If i 1-call, others of my species will usually flock. Utahs will typically pack up, rexes will usually eat me, but then you can speak in local and make a ruckus about it and lay down a nest

[brittle bough]

i reckon we're best off waiting till after the meeting is properly implemented to gauge that, i personally think local chat may suffice it, but im not sure

[finite perch]

😔 yes, theres servers that forbid 2 calls as bait

[brittle bough]

the ideal situation is to not need external rules so ehn

we're mostly talking officials lul

meeting? Nesting*

[finite perch]

Im not against the idea of mating calls, I just want it to serve a gameplay purpose if it is in the game

[brittle bough]

I know what I want to say, phone. let me speak of dinosaur smash.

[crimson phoenix]

I do like the idea of different noises for males and females, buts that's about all I think dimorphism is needed/good for the game

[shell willow]

I don't have anything against roleplay, I'm just against the idea of encouraging more of it where it isn't needed. There are servers that are roleplay intended. If people want to roleplay, they should go there. When the game gets into its prime after all the updates and progress, I just hope to see more action and the gameplay that's usually advertised, and not this "wHos ThE AlpHa" nonsense

[teal grotto]

Officials aren't the main focus when many servers outbpopulate the main ones.. Ive been playing for a long time and it would do more good then bad.. If anything it might even thin out the numbers of apexes because of the fighting for the females

[lament thorn]

Officials are the main focus

[shell willow]

^

[brittle bough]

as if thinning out apexes is a bad thing lel

[shell willow]

Officials are the main focus

[teal grotto]

Officials are for balance

[lament thorn]

The game is literally being made with them in mind

Also no one on official is gonna kill themselves over a mate

[teal grotto]

They are a public testing for balancing

[brittle bough]

people kill themselves for no reason and out of spite, you overestimate the public

[teal grotto]

Yep

[crimson phoenix]

I'm pretty sure the games focus is to be a playable/enjoyable survival horror game, but that's just what I think

[teal grotto]

Seen a friend get to full adult giga hebthrew himself off a cliff cause he got bored

[shell willow]

A lot of people do that

[teal grotto]

People kill them selves alot

[lament thorn]

Well I'm talking about the fact that 99% of the time if two Rexes find each other they f call a few times then move on

Hardly any real fights happen

Hunting? Yeh but not a face to face fight

[brittle bough]

well, throw in mating rights and maybe some boons for having a mate and maybe there'll be more tension

[finite perch]

wat? 99% of the rexes that I see that meet eat eachother, violently, then bitch at eachother in the discord

[teal grotto]

Yep slate your understanding it

[finite perch]

pack bonuses would be lit, but i think making it specifically mate-boosts is a bit weird

[lament thorn]

I don't think it would be a mate boost

More like a nesting boost

[shell willow]

Anyway yeah, the game again isn't centered on roleplay and isn't meant to be a simulator/roleplay game, and if there isn't a viable reason for mating calls and sexual dimorphism then I can't say I agree with the suggestion

[brittle bough]

more of a positive affinity thing

[lament thorn]

Since your dino is gonna want to do certain things I assume nesting successfully will be one of them

[teal grotto]

Yep slate again you understand about what im talking about.

[finite perch]

mhmm, i can agree with that, but consider: im a taken lad, when i play a videogame i dont wanna quasi-rp that this stranger is my boy toy, you feel? this is nudging to that territory

[shell willow]

Imagine just accidentally trampling your baby and you die of stress and sadness

[brittle bough]

you don't gotta get all into it lmao, you just gotta get some smash and be rewarded for it in some way (i.e. +affinity)

[crimson phoenix]

as a person who doesn't watch the streams, is affinity confirmed? or is just another idea?

[brittle bough]

affinity is definitive

it's in the pinned messages... sssomewhere

[teal grotto]

It would bennifit the game

[crimson phoenix]

seems a bit dumb to me, (do something you probable were already going to do and get
even more of a reward)

[teal grotto]

Cause lets be honest here games fun but it gets repetitive over time..

[brittle bough]

affinity is meant to give you things to do and reward you for realistic behavior and punish unreasonable behavior

[lament thorn]

Like mix packing

[brittle bough]

like preventing trikes from being super aggro and such

[crimson phoenix]

you ever seen a hippo? herbs in real life are mega agro

[shell willow]

DeathDragon, you didn't mention affinity though. Nowhere have you said anything about how it would give you an interesting perk to use a mating call or anything similar. Slate was saying that stuff themselves. Lol.

[lament thorn]

This is a game

[crimson phoenix]

good point wolf

[brittle bough]

aye, it should be fun for both sides, sure herbis can be aggro, but being chased across the map by a pissy dibble isn't super fun lol

[shell willow]

Like I already said, as long as it has a good purpose, I don't mind its existence. If, somehow, you managed to give it a function that would add to the gameplay of someone who does not roleplay, then I'm all for it.

[crimson phoenix]

well yea, but going back to hippos tehy will chase you until they lose you or you die

[brittle bough]

yeah but not all herbis are hippos lol

[teal grotto]

^

[lament thorn]

And again it's a game

[crimson phoenix]

im mostly think about teh trike, lel

[shell willow]

There are some pretty peaceful herbis

[brittle bough]

well other herbis also exist

it's not very reasonable for a dryo to be super aggro

[finite perch]

like death herds should not be happening

neither should mixpacking or carebearing

[brittle bough]

aye, that's what affinity aims to resolve

[shell willow]

Ex. a deer isn't going to chase you down and butcher you, like a cow would if you got too close to its calf.

affinity should help ward off those aggressive deer, metaphorically speaking

[brittle bough]

bucks can be rude lol

[shell willow]

they can be rude but they won't hunt you and scream over your dead body lol

[lament thorn]

I think it's basically to make herbivores try to avoid conflict when it's not needed

[crimson phoenix]

yea, and the dryo already has counter measures to keep it from being agro, it does little to no damage, and even with that red winged black birds are the most aggressive shits I've ever met, yea I could kill em with a single squeeze of my hand but they be to fast (dryo vs rex)

[finite perch]

ive never been walking down a road while the local whitetail population sprints at me, horns lowered, while im crossing the street minding my damn buisness

[brittle bough]

humans are also interpreted differently from predators by many species I'd presume

[crimson phoenix]

@brittle bough, im not just talking about how these animals interact with humans both animals do this to everything they see

[lament thorn]

Well most animals (I say most cause some are crazy) would rather just not get into a fight since unlike in games they can't just sit down and heal themselves

[crimson phoenix]

another good point blue

[brittle bough]

aye
other than strictly combative stuff, affinity will be giving both carnis and herbis things to do other than fight, so there's that as well; the game ideally won't be ealk-eat-drink-fight-die-repeat simulator anymore

walk*

[lament thorn]

Maybe with the combat system people will be less likely to just dive in spam clicking since they know they are likely to win

Since one wrong move might really mess you up

[brittle bough]

that as well, collision and locational damage and whatnot

[crimson phoenix]

it's a good idea slate, but there are already some things in game to encourage people to do things, like suchos like to stay near water because they are swimmy boys

[brittle bough]

wym idea? thats.. what they're doing lol. it isn't an idea I'm proposing.

[crimson phoenix]

sorry about the wording

[lament thorn]

I can't find it now

But Don has talked about examples of affinity before

[crimson phoenix]

what I mean is it is a good idea to encourage things other than sitting in a tree for 6 hours to grow a rex, but the game already encourages some things like larger dinos don't like steep hills because they break there ankles every 5 seconds

[brittle bough]

affinity is more like, enrichment things to my awareness. like mud baths for herbis.

[shell willow]

Literally yesterday on the smooth side of a mountain (I should have been able to get down fine) I took one step, slipped all the way down the mountain, and died. This was a sucho, which ironically wouldn't even break its leg getting off a building twice its height.

[crimson phoenix]

I feel the sucho ankle pain

[brittle bough]

why y'all be walking on ramps, there's always a safer way around lmao

[shell willow]

around

[crimson phoenix]

EXACTLY

[lament thorn]

Well

It's not as fun

[brittle bough]

pfffff

[shell willow]

let me go around the mountain while I'm on top of the mountain

this is much easier

[crimson phoenix]

we are already encouraged to go one way and get punished if we don't do it

[brittle bough]

why are you on top of the mountain tho

[lament thorn]

Cause that goat life

[shell willow]

maybe I wanted to see the sights :(

[brittle bough]

well if you went up without a plan to get down, your shattered femurs are your own fault lmao

[crimson phoenix]

Make dibbles mountain goats, let them climb up and kill the rock rats (utahs)

[brittle bough]

allow Dibbles to scale vertical surfaces at the same speed they sprint, yes

[shell willow]

I did, I already said there was a perfectly safe area to get down but for some reason it was like "lul u thought"

I screamed fr

[brittle bough]

generally grass indicates walkeable areas on mountains, that's all I can suggest lmao

[crimson phoenix]

that is the most terrifying things of ever had put into my head, a dibble charging up the side of a building screaming it's one call

REA REA REA

[brittle bough]

thats one way to delete the dock utahs

[crimson phoenix]

To get back from meming to discussing, on the topic of realism, why do we have outliers like the theri and the acro when everything else can generally heal back quickly?

like the dilo can heal most of its health back in 3 minutes while theri or acro needs about an hour to heal

[lament thorn]

Theri is a god among mortals

[brittle bough]

both non survival, both incomplete/unbalanced

[lament thorn]

If Theri healed fast no one would be safe

[brittle bough]

unstoppable death turkey

[crimson phoenix]

true that the theri can 3 shot giga and rex, but that heal tho

its like 80 per minute or something

LESS than a dryo

[brittle bough]

theri can't even sniff last i saw, so it's missing basic functions, much less bleed heal balance lul

[lament thorn]

Cause it's not in survival

[brittle bough]

exactly

[lament thorn]

And honestly I don't think it ever will XD

But I love my danger floof

[brittle bough]

pff, never free the danger floof

[crimson phoenix]

yea theri cant sniff, neither can stego, but to me those were more balance than "less work for now"

as in this murder machine is kinda stronk for a herby, lets make it harder to live as by making it have to actually "look" for food

[lament thorn]

Pfft

Aight

[blazing charm]

@finite perch I really like that idea, But what if the rimlight was located on the compass that appears when you scent?

[finite perch]

🤔 perhaps showing a north star among the compass would... perhaps suffice? I think having symbols that phase in when looking in the correct direction would use the same backend as the actual sniffing

[crimson phoenix]

The north star is in game already to my knowledge

[finite perch]

mhmm! thats why I'd prefer it as a symbol over a big N

lots of folks dont realize the north star is actually in, and usable!

oh located ON the compass i cant read

[crimson phoenix]

i have to include tho that will be confusing AF to people if they don't know about the north star

[lament thorn]

Let them perish

[finite perch]

@blazing charm I think that would work well! would I be correct in seeing it like a liquid level, where it is contained within the restraint of the compass zone, but gets bigger / slides to each side?

that would be much more elegant of a solution

[brittle bough]

yes, i actively approve of the water border, and it won't be a death sentence (or at least immediately blown cover) to be near or in water at night when someone sniffs- which will be extra good for the wet bois like succo and, one day, deino

[crimson phoenix]

on the symbols for directions thing, we could just have the zig zag we already have, just take away the letters, when im navigating I just spin a little and look for the up or down point (depending on where im going)

[finite perch]

I feel that keeping the water highlight contained within the upper middle would be very useful for waterboys, because then turning your screen wont make the border fling around willy nilly

[crimson phoenix]

and yea slate/cat we need water to be like that, it's already is brighter at night near/ in water, it is realy easy to see a swimmer at night

and my interpretation of "water border" is the edge of the water glowing softly, like how it is through the ground currently (sniffing and seeing water in the distance)

[finite perch]

its better, but i feel that would still become a visual block. i do think that what is already in the game can stay as a twinkling to help the player find the water at a closer distance. also: mockup of the compass version

however now im torn between the neural blue and the UI green >:I

[brittle bough]

water "is" blue, so if plants are staying green and meat red, id reckon the water border would be blue

[lament thorn]

Honestly I'd be happy if we could just turn off the water glow all together in the settings

It's useful when you first spawn or get turned around but eh

[finite perch]

ideally, the glow at the side of the screen will remove the big white pondscum nutted onto my monitor

i mean. the water overlay

[brittle bough]

yeeah
honestly, since using the map, i don't even really sniff for water anymore, i just look for compass, plants, gore, or prints with it. the fact you can't really see rivers with it from afar a lot of the time makes it less helpful than it could be, so I'd rather just go "okay, a river is east, now to find plant as I meander east."

[finite perch]

this system would be able to detect rivers, as no mesh is needed in order to 'see' the river. this is because rivers are pretty much flat gameplanes clipped into the ground, yeah? theres no easy material swap that doesn't involve having the ground/foliage layered on top of it

additionally i think this is what he meant LMAO

like a questmarker!

[umbral prairie]

I'd prefer that over the initial suggestion

[finite perch]

Ill throw it up in suggestions then 👍

[umbral prairie]

first one would be an improvement, but this one would be even cooler imo

[crimson phoenix]

yea the quest marker idea makes more sense to me, also maybe have a visual indicator to how close it is (for when multiple water sources are near)

[finite perch]

I would imagine it gets brighter or bigger when it is near

wider?

[crimson phoenix]

I think brighter or wider

if it got larger we are back to visual clutter

[blazing charm]

That's much more of an improvement

[finite perch]

if it gets too bright we risk losing the NESW letters, so as long as that's kept in mind, perhaps it should lean to widening? i would only say about its own size again, just a tad wider

[blazing charm]

Not sure about the shape, but the general idea is very good!

[finite perch]

yeah i'd prefer a different shape as well 😅 like a smooth diamond, or an EKG spike similar to the NESW on the compass. i feel a water drop is a bit on the nose, but that would work too

[blazing charm]

I feel like just a subtle blob or horizontal oval shape might work.

I think it'd be something you'd have to mess around with

I think one of the proposed methods of scenting water was a "wisp" trail that would point you in the direction of water.

[crimson phoenix]

My first thought was a water drop, but thinking more I was thinking a shimmer/wave (what it looks like at the bottom of the pool when light is shining)

[blazing charm]

That wouldn't really work y'see. Because the compass is already a bunch of shimmer/waves

[finite perch]

I like the idea of the refraction shape though, its rather distinct

I remember the whisp discussion, it plays off of wolfquest's old system of scent in my mind. I like it, and I can see how it can work, but it would require pre-planned paths I think in order for it to be robust and not lag computers like WQ's scent did

[crimson phoenix]

yea good point king but some people are also wanting the compass to change

[finite perch]

boy i wish i didnt merge this layers LOL its hard to change the shape i put without destroying the UI underneath

but i think this combines what was said

a shimmering, water refraction effect over an ovalescant marker. ideally more horizontal, but i messed up LOL so it looks like an upside down waterdrop

now it might be too eye catching, but the concept was the important part

you could get away with removing most of the glow, a few frames of animation here will really sell it as water

either way its 3:30am and my butt hurts so g'nite!

[pulsar lake]

We need a new map guy and a smaller one than Hope.

For other communities

Don't think only official

[blazing charm]

@formal vine All of those abilities sound convoluted and super unbalanced.

[random knoll]

yeah

[blazing charm]

The Giga rage would be defiantly used in apex fights so it's mutally assured desturction which everyone hates, the Rex idea is just plain overkill, the Utah/Dilo seems like a Tissoplastic strain thing, Maia one just makes it harder for them to be prey for large carnivores.

The Para one would be abused so much with Discord groups, the Triceratops idea is basically just a more complicated version of goring, which is already a planned mechanic. Cerato's ability just seems useless, since AI currently make idle sounds and finally the Allosaurus one is just plain uneccsasry, they are already going to be attracted to the sound of a broadcast, the location reveal is again overkill.

[patent oar]

Probs a dumb question but what is this goring ?

[indigo sun]

What?

[barren zephyr]

@pale kite There is no possible evidence

of female dinosaurs

being bigger

[lament thorn]

is this a question?

[barren zephyr]

and tougher

than males.

[lament thorn]

little late there

[barren zephyr]

They should be equal and need eachother to nest.

Yeah

i am scrolling down

and it got my 2 eyes of each of m y heads

[patent oar]

ops

[pale kite]

@barren zephyr yes but we can hardly get ahold of them, raptors and lizards are the closest things we have to dinosaurs(especially raptors since that's where they came from) also then it would be more of a choice between male or female. right now you're female if you want to nest and male if you want to have cool colors. but that's about it. it wouldn't be a big change i just think it would really help( or maybe it could be something like growth where its a choice)

[indigo sun]

Colors work just fine for distinguishment between male or female. I dont see the need for them to make smaller or larger models then have to go through fixing the hitboxes to fit the new size.
And male and female will both be necessary for nesting in the future, so there's going to be reasons to pick either one.
I dont see what you mean by it "really helping"

[vestal rune]

males are gonna be involved in nesting in the future

though I don't think larger sexual dimorphisms are off the line, as I swear the devs suggested they may add it

[indigo sun]

Theyve said they wont be adding sexual dimorphism

[lilac swallow]

If they were smaller people would go female 100% just to be stronger

[crimson phoenix]

As Nines said the Devs have confirmed there won't be sexual dimorphism

[vestal rune]

huh I remember them talking about it, but ye in official answers they said they wouldn't

[lament thorn]

with sexual dimorphism i think what the devs meant things like crests being different between the sexes or maybe even slight model tweaks

not different sizes and stats

[indigo sun]

They've said they aren't doing sexual dimorphism. They didn't say "We're not doing crests or model tweaks for sexual dimorphism." Color, again, works fine enough. I dont see a reason to make a female larger and give it all new stats or make the male smaller than the normal model and give it new stats. Everyone will go female then regardless of nesting requiring male and female. There's literally no reason to go through all that effort when they already to have a form of sexual dimorphism, which is the detail colors. If they wanted more for it, I'm sure it would have been implemented in some way by now

[barren zephyr]

I say this a last time

female dinosaurs would NOT be stronger than males

and thats it.

unless we get direct fossil evidence

that they actually should

[formal vine]

sexual dimorphism can screw things up real time

People'll only go female or male

[night mountain]

It's pretty likely SOME species had larger females, but obviously not all of them did and theres not really a way to know who. That, and having them be different aside from color would require them basically doubling the number of dinosaurs they needed to work on.

[indigo sun]

Not to mention that making new stats for half of a species would be kinda balance hell. Things are either overpowered or too weak to fight what their male/female counterpart could fight normally. If a female para destroys an allo but a male para can barely hold up against one, do they make the female weaker or the male stronger? If the male's fast enough to catch something the female cant, do they slow down the male or speed up the female? I see no reason to make entirely new stats for absolutely no reason.

[lilac swallow]

people would just go the strongest version be it because is faster or becasue iot deals more dmg

[indigo sun]

Yeah. Then there'd still be no reason since it's still heavily weighed to one sex for each species, when there should really be near equal amounts of male and females

[lilac swallow]

i would just picj the strongest gender when apex and the fastes gender when small tier

[indigo sun]

It wouldnt be helpful. It would lead to imbalance in both power and population and it would be a waste of time.

[still temple]

Sexual dimorphism should only be visual.
Would be nice if some species had physical dimorphism tho (that don't affect stats), e.g. smaller/larger crests

[lilac swallow]

visual is indeed cool, like para with larger crest on males, but still isnt needed

[still temple]

a lot of things aren't needed, but simply added to give the game more life.
e.g. dragonflies and fireflies.

[tender latch]

Did somebody say Para? :3

[still temple]

I dont see why physical dimorphism couldn't be a thing in the future

[brittle bough]

i could see physical visual dimorphism being something they'd consider way later. also, making dragonfly.png buzz around is different from changing a model lol

[tender latch]

I literally just watch all the chat channels all day to see if anyone says Maia or Para and then say "Did somebody say Maia?" or "Did somebody say Para?" lol

[brittle bough]

pffff

[tender latch]

Now back to off-topic lol

[night mountain]

I would be down for a dinosaur who's gimmick was heavy sexual dimorphism though that'd be fun.

Just not like, all of them

[tender latch]

Omg yes automatic stop for drinking

We need this so bad

Or at least I do lol

[mental sleet]

👍

[brittle bough]

i just drink for a loong time before I check lmao

[indigo sun]

I'm begging for it. Why hasnt it been done yet? It's been asked for for so long, even before the recode

[still temple]

I don't understand why that isn't a thing already

[brittle bough]

auto stop would be nice, it seems more like an oversight than a deliberate choice

[indigo sun]

It's been pointed out for a long while now. Oldest i could find was october last year

[still temple]

an "oversight" that hasn't been fixed despite it being in the game since the new eating/drinking system was introduced, plus months of constant begging from the community

[night mountain]

Why would you want noises for your idle?

[barren zephyr]

Because it feels alive

not asking for something you can hear from miles away, but it just adds to the ambiance

[umbral prairie]

@severe cypress the map that is currently being made called 'hope' has big parts of very deep ocean on it, so chances are pretty good there will be some form of aquatic life being added

[severe cypress]

@umbral prairie That's amazing, I'm looking forward to it 🤩🤩🤩

[mental sleet]

Baguette, just before I read, try to organize your post with paragraphs.

[subtle adder]

Yeah, I'll organize it real quick

man why did this come to me during a baseball game

[topaz sierra]

@subtle adder Don't forget to discuss suggestions here :p

[subtle adder]

Yeah, it was kinda a add-on

but i like your idea

[topaz sierra]

I think it would make a good addition

[subtle adder]

Yeah and like I said, Imagine you facing against a apex (Carni or herbi) that has big scars

my trice would be feared

[topaz sierra]

I agree

[brittle bough]

a while ago it was suggested that dinosaurs who pierce (as opposed to battering ones like para/maia) could leave scars unique to their species
trike gore slashes/holes, utah toe cuts, dilo small bites, rex very large bites, etc
with, say, one preset 'unique scar' per location that had a chance of appearing when that location is hit

[topaz sierra]

I also wanted to suggest something else as well that has to do with locational damage again and gore, but I'm pretty sure that the community will crucify me.

[subtle adder]

But being stabbed by a trice is most likely fatal

oh i didnt see the "slashes"

[brittle bough]

locational damage, could be gored on the tail or leg and probably live lol

[topaz sierra]

Oh it was already suggested? My bad, I missed the suggestion

[brittle bough]

it was a while back so eh

[topaz sierra]

I wanted to suggest that your tail could get chopped off if you took a severe enough bite.

Not sure if people would agree though.

[subtle adder]

I think the dinosaur might bleed out, unless it towards the end

[topaz sierra]

I thought of that too, but dinos already bleed by bites

[subtle adder]

Forever bleed?

[topaz sierra]

What do you mean?

[subtle adder]

Like you can heal it, it just becomes minor and gets worse

You can heal it to .1 but if lets say your tail gets bitten off, you have forever/a very long period of bleed

[brittle bough]

would be neat, but i dont think they want to put too much effort into aesthetic model changes, like the sexual dimorphism sizing that they firmly decided against, so things that can be done with textures are more likely to be considered

[topaz sierra]

Makes sense then that they would not add tails getting chopped off

[subtle adder]

Yeah, its a cool idea tho

[topaz sierra]

Maybe the closest we'll get will be cutting off limbs from dead bodies?

[subtle adder]

I'm honestly exicted for corpse draggnig

dragging*

[topaz sierra]

If something dies in water, you simply drag it out and eat, for example.

[subtle adder]

IF you can reach

[topaz sierra]

As long as the water is not deep af though

Ye that

[subtle adder]

And lets say your a utah, and you kill a ava, you can drag it but you'd be very slow

and smaller/easier things you kill, the easier it is to eat/pick up

[topaz sierra]

And maybe your stamina would deplete slowly while dragging

[brittle bough]

i presume as long as its shallow enough for you to stand in, you would be able to pick something up easily
maybe there would be swimming dragging though, at the cost of either higher stamina drain or slower swim speed (namely talking about non-waterbois, so not considering sucho/deino, who would presumably be better at water dragging)

[subtle adder]

Probably for heavier dinos

And I hope they make it so rex's cant swim

[topaz sierra]

Imagine the animations needed for "swim dragging"

[subtle adder]

I would just combine the soon to come diving and dragging

[topaz sierra]

Not swim at all?

[subtle adder]

No, like you pick up the body but since your in water, it's easier to carry

[brittle bough]

wot

[subtle adder]

But, depending on the corpse's weight depends if you can actually pick it up

[topaz sierra]

Ah, because things underwater are lighter

Or something

[subtle adder]

Yeah,

I wonder if attacking from under the water would be a thing

I'm guessing it will because of deino

[topaz sierra]

Depends on the dino I guess

Deino, sucho and spino would be prime candidates for this

[brittle bough]

id imagine so, gators' whole thing is lunging from under/in the water and dragging stuff under to drown it, so

[subtle adder]

Yeah

[topaz sierra]

They will have to add water navigation first though

[brittle bough]

man all around water mechanics are gonna be neat, also probably gonna get more water debris/foliage to make camouflage more viable in them, shits Hype

[topaz sierra]

For that to happen

[subtle adder]

tbh i wonder what the re-code willbring

other than new growth and stuff

[brittle bough]

its been said the recode itself wont be very noticeable, but recode being done means that the good shit can really start coming

[topaz sierra]

Nothing actually, content-wise, at least thats what people think

[subtle adder]

hah imagine hypos playable again

[topaz sierra]

Dun dun dun

[subtle adder]

i remember when rex was playable

those where the days

[topaz sierra]

I wasn't around unfortunately

[subtle adder]

f

[topaz sierra]

I started playing in January

[subtle adder]

I've been playing for about 3 years but dont 24/7

[topaz sierra]

The closest I have ever been to seeing an ingame hyper was on a stormy night while on the old utah rock.

A veteran then :p

I've seen vids where you could progress to hyper rex

[hallow vigil]

#401464048610312195

^ go there for this convo pls

[topaz sierra]

Right, we took it too far

We forgot :p

[hallow vigil]

np

[gaunt parcel]

@finite perch your suggestion is 💯 i have been thinkning about something like that but i didn't really know how to type it

i really like this effect too^

[barren zephyr]

@subtle adder

lmao

a dibble hiding from 2 ceratos

You know how powerful dibble is rite

Its a better example if its 2 allos instead

or 4

@inner valley To be honest your suggestion is amazing

but id wait for collision first

utahs/herreras are just gonna zoom through the parents

eat the eggs

and zoom off

since they are really fast

[inner valley]

yeah

tbh i hope you'll be able to do that in the future

stealing eggs sounds really fun

[barren zephyr]

yeh

^ ^

[brittle bough]

@oblique hearth thats.. the point of dilos lol. useless in the day and deadly at night

its like saying remove rex bb because it makes it hard to get away

[shell willow]

and fun fact sucho is a mid tier dino and it can 1 shot them, it isn't impossible if you know what you're doing

dilos gotta eat somehow

[supple saffron]

Plus they are meant to be poisonous thus the high bleed

[barren zephyr]

Dilo is not much of a threat for Sucho. But for most carnis you cannot even move at night because the NV range is so short. Night is not fun atm for anyone except Dilos, which is why half the server empties at night. If night isnt fun players will log out.

[shell willow]

Night is meant to be a dangerous time, if you can't fight dilos, don't be out and about at night. People out at night are gigas and suchos and things that will easily take on dilos no problem, even with a short NV range. Alt turn exists also, and many dilos forget about it, I've experienced many dilo massacres by my own hand thanks to sucho's god alt turn

[lilac swallow]

I would like a nv buff for everyone even for dilos, dilos would keep their advantage but other dinos could actually move around the map

[barren zephyr]

It's not that dilos are OP. Dilo is no threat to a Giga, but night is boring for giga aswell. Dilo is just an annoyance.

[lilac swallow]

I dont mind dilos having better nv than me, i just want to actually see were im walking

[barren zephyr]

@paper tendon

Doubts

You utah fanboys are never happy

with anything

plus why the fuck does it need night vision THAT much

thats dilo's thing

[valid zephyr]

yep that's dilos thing.

[subtle adder]

@barren zephyr Ah okay, I'm not really familiar with stats

[barren zephyr]

its fine

[oblique hearth]

@brittle bough i meant nerfing them not removing bleed

[shell willow]

It got nerfed once before from 50 down to 42 or 43 from what I remember and it kinda sucked for them for a while

[lilac swallow]

@viral creek neat but It will kill my pc

[viral creek]

How strong is your pc?

[lilac swallow]

I do t really now if It has a graphic card

I barely run the isle at minimun graphics at 20 fps

[viral creek]

o h

I think you're gonna need a upgrade

[lilac swallow]

And yet surprisingly i run wot at 120 fps

[viral creek]

Cause from what I've heard. The game is going to have a lot more graphical things added that will be bad for pcs.

Potatos, in particular.

[lilac swallow]

I Hope It also get optimized

[viral creek]

I mean ping wise, ye i'm sure things will be fixed up.

But fps lag, idk

[lilac swallow]

Again comparing to wot, when It got graphic overhaul It also got optimized and i went from shitty graphic at 20 fps to decent graphic at 120

[viral creek]

Weird

[lilac swallow]

They did magic

[viral creek]

I guess ya'll under spec pc people can hope

I wish you luck

[lilac swallow]

I remember when the game got grass during the first years i literally stoped playing

[viral creek]

(I forgot to add, that if they ever add a dust cloud thing, there'd be an option to disable it)

I should probs add that

hold on

there

[hallow vigil]

@paper tendon make sure ur suggestions have content to them, dont just ask for something without justification/reason pls

(talking about the utah night vision post)

[paper oriole]

not really a good gameplay reason for utah to have improved nightvision

[lilac swallow]

It would just make It a dilo

[fathom harness]

Perhaps if you want Utahs to have a better chance at Dilos during the night, instead suggest the Utah bleed resistance or heal recieve buff.

Since a Utah can only run 3 or 4 paces once they recieve a bite from a Dilo. So far the most successful way to survive the night as a Utah is jump somewhere that a Dilo cannot reach you.

[finite perch]

@paper oriole if you think the sound of dinosaurs sniffing is suggestive i dont think the game is at fault here 😳

[paper oriole]

oh ho ho very funny, but listen to that maia sniff and tell me he isn't enjoying it a little too much

he's like MMMMMMM HHHHNNNN