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#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
yes it is what it means
vestal rune
it can mean that if you use it as a negative thing, but it can also simply mean they have similar gameplay elements, like how most videogames of a genre are a knock off of the original game in that genre
brittle bough
okay dude jesus christ it was a quick casual conversation i wasnt surgically picking every word to be as accurate as possible
if you look at what i said, i said it was a suitable knockoff if you cant run the isle
IF the isle does not exist in this scenario, it is close enough in gameplay to be a substitute
should i have also specified the exact specs needed?? because i shorthanded 'shitty computer' with '2gb ram'
vestal rune
anyways I'ma shut up because this is an innapropiate channel
barren zephyr
isle knockoff still sounds like an affirm that you are calling it a copy.
you covered it with valid points
but still sounds negative even though its not
thats the only reason i minded
brittle bough
you must be fun at parties if you nitpick every word that people casually say
it would be different if i was extensively arguing how eot is a knockoff of the isle, but it was just a single mention to get the point across that its similar but not identical in gameplay without going "yeah you spawn in as a juvenile and survive and pack up and there are specific plants you can eat but it has x dinosaurs and doesnt have sniffing so its still different from the isle"
barren zephyr
note the word "minded" I only MINDED because it sounded like you are calling it a shameless copy
any terms that means similar but not in a bad way and i would actually agree with you in every way
umbral prairie
you could say that more nicely though
it came across very angry and unfriendly
and that wasn't really needed
at least to me, idk about the others
barren zephyr
They could make another Island where everything has a mystical aspect about it. Creatures included 😃
brittle bough
eh, would probably be too much effort for what theyre going for given the differences it would have. a fantasy dinosaur-themed game could be neat though, considering the current array of dinosaur games as far as i know is "realistic" "realistic except it likes jp" or "realistic but with hybrids"
umbral prairie
I don't think it would fit the base game and the idea behind it very much, but it could be something for a mod or modpack
barren zephyr
Indeed 😃
Maybe put tunnels in certain parts of the map so burrowing creatures could use them, maybe even juvi raptors
umbral stone
blazing charm
@lunar finch (1) Shants aren't balanced around Survival, don't get me wrong they were still pretty damn awful back on Progression and whatnot, but they weren't as bad as they are now.
(2) Shants are stupidly large animals, I'd argue they are the 3rd largest non-strain creature in the game. The other two being Carmara and Brachi.
If you lower their damage, it's deemed unfair that they can't defend themselves and they ultimately just become a bigger Para, but if you lower their speed they just become a slightly different Trike. I think the stomp would work much better if it required more skill to use, it'd help if the stomp could only be used in a specific stance, telegraphing to animals around that it is preparing to stomp, that way you don't have Shants just speeding you down and curb stomping you into the 5th dimension.
Honestly though, I'd much prefer Shant to be replaced with another herbivore entirely, something like Edmontosaurus, Anatosaurus or hell even Iguanodon (New model, same sounds.) Something that can operate in a similar fashion but on a smaller scale.
But that's just me.
Just realised that kinda turned into my own suggestion halfway through, but whatevs.
paper oriole
"rely on numbers" like the only herbi apex in survival does atm too
shant is overtuned it can spamstomp a cama to death and still have stam to spare but they should be viable for solo play (if they ever make it to surv) otherwise no reason to touch them
lunar finch
@blazing charm I'd still say they aren't in a good spot. Really the biggest point of being a Herbi is that you are somewhat defenseless on your own. You need to rely on your speed or numbers to survive. A Herbi shouldn't be taking on an Apex predator. Or at least; Something like a Shant simply doesn't look like it would effectively fight Apex like it does.
@paper oriole But the thing is; that's not how it works in reality. A Shant shouldn't be a Solo creature. The only creatures that should be Solo-able are Apex predators, and massive Herbi's that are simply too big to care about anything else. If a Shant can Solo, then they become way too strong if there are too many of them.
mental sleet
I disagree, certain herbivores should be stronger than the animals that hunt them.
paper oriole
^
blazing charm
To be fair, they are really big, and heavy. I thikn the problem is that Shant doesn't have any kind of weakness, it's just kinda good at everything.
paper oriole
sounds like you just want easier pickings lol
lilac swallow
Defenceless on your own? Really? Whats the point of playing if you are doomed to play with some random people that may not be playing the same dino as yours
paper oriole
if some massive shit like a shant stomps you with its 11 ton body backing it up you will get fucked up
common sense
lunar finch
But not to a T-Rex or a Giga, or ANY other Apex.
viral creek
Do you know how huge shant is.
lunar finch
Not bigger than a Rex
paper oriole
lmao
lunar finch
Why are you guys mocking me? I'm absolutely right. You truly think two little legs are more dangerous than a maw of teeth?
paper oriole
shant is like over twice the weight of a rex?
lilac swallow
Shant is a diplodocus without long neck and tail, thats its size
lilac swallow
The shant "falling" on top of you is surely dangerous
paper oriole
go pick on some dryos and dont go by a shant if you think it's too strong for your rex
viral creek
Shant should keep his power, but be made as defensive ai. since he's very commonly abused.
paper oriole
you arent supposed to just run up and facetank a titan like shant
lunar finch
You are all missing out on a HUGE chunk of logic. You assume these creatures should Solo, but physically, they have absolutely NO physical traits that suggest they would do much damage to something of equal size. Headbutts? Fine, but a headbutt shouldn't be strong enough to solo an Apex.
You're all being ignorant first off for mocking me, thinking that somehow makes your point. But you forget that Shants need something to hunt them. If they have no true predator, they completely miss out on what Herbi gameplay is all about. Survival.
paper oriole
their physical trait is 12 tons that they can punch you in the face with
viral creek
^
mild basin
@lunar finch the shant has been acknowledged by the entire dev team as a mistake, they know it's too powerful
lunar finch
I don't give a fuck how much they weight. A T-rex isn't much smaller.
paper oriole
a shant can be hunted by a rex pack
lunar finch
Exactly, I am right.
lilac swallow
Is a game when balance comes first, if i cant survive solo i just dont play
paper oriole
i've done it, i've had it done to me
mild basin
the shant is never coming to survival according to devs
cyan flame
I think that in some of these cases, people are looking at the animation, rather than the.. well, effect the critter would have. Is the trike stomp weird, yes, but see it as a charge, and it makes sense. Same thing for a shant, is the stomp weird, yes, but imagine it as the shant doing a full body tackle, and it might make more sense?
viral creek
Nobody should think he's indestructible, but the fact that you say he should be "Defenseless" alone is absurd.
He's a huge, 12 ton wall of meat and muscle. He's no pushover.
lunar finch
Again, you're ignorant. I said they need to work together. Like most Herbi's should
paper oriole
"you're truly all ignorant" /thinks all herbis should be solo kills and rely on meat shield groups to be playable
lunar finch
But you assume I mean completely defenseless
viral creek
No herbivore should RELY on working together.
lunar finch
Devs agree with me, I don't need to continue this with a few people who think mocking others makes a point.
viral creek
Working together is simply a bonus
cyan flame
Pretty sure a shant is big enough to solo an apex actually
lunar finch
Size doens't matter if you don't have any offensive traits
cyan flame
If we had collision/trample/maybe "charge" damage.. you know what would happen? That shant would run the rex over I suspect
viral creek
Developers don't like how strong shant is, because his power is abuseable. not because his power is unrealistic.
cyan flame
It wouldn't stop and stomp you, it'd just go "Coming through" and that's it
paper oriole
offensive trait > 12 ton body to smash people with
lunar finch
@viral creek That's wrong, but okay
cyan flame
The stomp is a bit weird as an attack perhaps, but the power itself makes sufficient sense I think
viral creek
Don't tag me, I'm right here.
lunar finch
Devs agree with me. That's all I need to hear. Not about to argue with ignorant children who can't have a civil discussion.
mental sleet
what
viral creek
Nobody's being uncivil.
paper oriole
the literal only prob with shant is its ability to chase the slower preds down to pancake them, not their actual strength
mental sleet
better question, what dev ?
lilac swallow
Again, who without being masochist play a dino that relies on random people to be playing in the same server time and map location using the same dino as your
cyan flame
That seems a bit arrogant, and why do you keep calling everyone else ignorant?
lilac swallow
?
paper oriole
because they are the actual one being ignorant
lunar finch
@cyan flame Because everyone feels the need to mock others they disagree with.
Instead of having a civil discussion
paper oriole
seems to you that the only way a discussion can be considered civil is if everybody agrees with you
lunar finch
You disagree with me? Fine, but don't sit there and think I want things easy.
lilac swallow
ignorant children
Me: a Guy in its twenties tha has been playing since release
viral creek
Mocking =/= Explaining.
cyan flame
Well, I don't know if someone else said something less pleasant, but I personally think the shant is sufficiently big and powerful to be able to solo another apex, it's certainly not a thing any solo apex should approach unless desperate/have a very clear ambush, and even then, it'd probably be a hit/run with bleed giga style rather than "tanking" it as a rex. Especially when bonebreak will be more locational and probably way more difficult, than just biting and hoping for the best.. :p
lilac swallow
I totally agree with you that shantu is way too overpowered but incant agree on "should RELY on group"
Shantu is basically a diplodocus without neck and tail
viral creek
People aren't arguing that shant dosen't need change. People are annoyed because of this statement:
"I'd still say they aren't in a good spot. Really the biggest point of being a Herbi is that you are somewhat defenseless on your own. You need to rely on your speed or numbers to survive. A Herbi shouldn't be taking on an Apex predator. Or at least; Something like a Shant simply doesn't look like it would effectively fight Apex like it does."
paper oriole
shant is very high risk and high reward and should only be hunted by a group, but they shouldnt be able to chase people
coarse shell
well yeah
people are gonna be pissed because it's making out herbis to be defenseless while solo
lilac swallow
If my fucking utah can live solo nothing should rely on group
paper oriole
if you make all herbi apexes soloable then a fuckin dryo will be more viable to play than a trike
because at least a dryo can escape, only thing herbis should be able to do right?
lilac swallow
Dryo is actually more viable solo than trike currently
paper oriole
oh yeah because trike can get killed by a bored giga and have no way to get away
lilac swallow
At least dryo even if screwed by utahs can hide on a bush or in the burrow
paper oriole
basically
viral creek
I think they get the idea.
barren zephyr
@lunar finch
you gotta realize
thats a bullshit way to force herbivores in herds.
Shant is a really massive hadrosaur
sauropod sized
it should EASILY destroy any apex head on
herbivores should be both viable on solo and herds
Making them herd dependant is bad
pulsar lake
Shant is broken because his turn radius
lunar finch
Because it's fat? it weights a lot? That should NEVER beat an Apex Predator with massive rows of teeth that can bite the neck.
pulsar lake
It souldn't turn like that
barren zephyr
..
lilac swallow
As i said before im my pathetically weak utah can live solo, everything should do
barren zephyr
You are sololy underestimating hadrosaurs
indigo sun
Tell me, if i drop a truck on you are you just gonna be fine?
paper oriole
well when locational is added have fun biting a shant neck
pulsar lake
Yeah
paper oriole
until then enjoy getting your skull caved in by 12 tons of force
barren zephyr
A shantungosaurus is gonna do tons of damage with a stomp on a 6 ton theropod.
pulsar lake
But shant turn is too good with his speed
lunar finch
@indigo sun Yes, If I'm massive myself
pulsar lake
How shant do his stomp he should break his arms.
paper oriole
like half the size of a shant
lilac swallow
Shant is almost camarasaurus sized, and brute force cant defeat more brute force, you gotta weaken It before
cyan flame
But the apexes aren't that massive, shantus are huge
indigo sun
Mkay. Please provide proof of someone dropping a truck on you
barren zephyr
Stop underestimating hadrosaurs
lunar finch
Everyone's logic: Shant has little legs, but must be strong cuz fat
barren zephyr
a single shant would easily destroy a rex or a giga
cyan flame
Just compare the ingame size, if we go by that, the shant is pretty big..
paper oriole
get a pack and you'll kill a shant if you aren't an idiot that tries to facetank
cyan flame
No Teddy, you're just focused on the animation
Not seeing the attack power for itself
Imagine it as a fullbody tackle or something
pulsar lake
I don't think "Destroy" but have a good chance.
cyan flame
This is a huge, heavy, thing, coming running at you with full speed, it will hurt a lot
lilac swallow
Shant is to Rex like Rex is to allo, you see allo "easily defeating" a Rex with its Sharp teeth?
paper oriole
"i am ignorant and have completely missed any points brought against me" ~Sgtteddybear
lilac swallow
Shant stomp is basically shant falling on your spinal column, its gonna hurt
cyan flame
Seems like it, you've failed to provide any actual arguments Teddy, except that Shant is too powerful, which some agree on, others do not,and thats about it.
pulsar lake
The only thinh I don't like with the shant is his turn radius with his speed. It should not turn like that.
paper oriole
this is like the guy that complained that diablo needed a nerf because his utah got wrecked by one after he attacked it
pulsar lake
But more in running
lilac swallow
Shant is indeed op, but It doesnt matter as is a sandbox dino. What i cant stand is the "should be defenceless solo"
pulsar lake
Running turn is an horror with his speed and damage
lilac swallow
I remember that @paper oriole
lunar finch
The reason I'm calling you all ignorant is because you result to insulting rather than having meaningful discussion. It's a joke really.
cyan flame
Shant might be too powerful, but I'm not sure it should be soloable by a single rex/giga, unless over massive time and with extreme effort
Except none of us have insulted you Teddy
lunar finch
But then you get mad when I insult you? No shit
cyan flame
I'm just trying to point out that you're making an argument based on the attack anim, rather than the stats of the critter
viral creek
I just scrolled up again
lunar finch
You are all belittling me, even though I am absolutely right
lilac swallow
Insulting? When? I dont remember calling you a child like you dids to us
viral creek
I have yet to see any insults.
lunar finch
GG
paper oriole
see this is your problem is you are stuck thinking your opinion is the only one that is valid
cyan flame
Yes, if it does get that specific hit with locational
viral creek
If you post a suggestion, you are bound to be criticized.
paper oriole
and this is why people are "belittling" you
cyan flame
And you know what Teddy, imagine what would happen if that shant ran at the rex
Head down and just charging?
lilac swallow
Yeah because shant is gonna let the Rex do that
cyan flame
You think that would end well for the rex?
jovial saddle
It takes 19 bites for rex to kill a shant
cyan flame
Yes, a rex or giga could come out from ambush and hit it from the side, biting down on the neck, that's perfectly viable. It's equally viable for a shant to "stomp", or just charge down that rex if it sees it coming. But now we're talking specific attack patterns
jovial saddle
Thing is
paper oriole
i'm imagining you are just a salty rex player who walked up to a shant trying to bite it and got flattened because you think you should be able to just munch anything with no resistance
cyan flame
Currently a rex that does break the leg of a shant can then assride it so.. :p
lilac swallow
Shant is even realistically almost a sauropod in size
cyan flame
Yep Quicks, I imagine gigas would be better suited to hunting shants than rexes, over time, and even so I'd not try one giga vs one shant, but probably a pair or more
Then again, we don't know how well locational damage will work, but you can't bank on the shant just being oblivious enough to let you get that neckbite in :p
jovial saddle
Bigger than some Camarasaurs
lilac swallow
As i said before you cant beat brute force (shant) with less brute force(Rex) you should weaken It first(giga's bleed)
paper oriole
guys i think pue is too op a rex could easily jump up and bite its neck and oneshot it
gritty helm
lol
cyan flame
Well, maybe when it's drinking? :p
lilac swallow
I know you are joking but honestly, talking about people who say puerta is op. Do something can be op if you can just trot away from It?
paper oriole
"just walk away" "NOOOO"
lilac swallow
"but is a fighting game when running away isnt an option, oh wait"
barren zephyr
plus seeing hwo big it is..
it must be a 80 ton sauropod..
it should actually really one shot about anything with its stomp.
lilac swallow
Our puerta is twice a real puerta, but even then, if It cant catch you, why even care about it's strength?
cyan flame
But running is cowardly.. :p
barren zephyr
its not when its against a 80 ton sauropod capable of 1 shotting you
with any of its moves.
its smart
and actually good of a move
barren zephyr
people just love fighting stuff much stronger than themand when they die they whine i ts "Op"
lilac swallow
I as an utah player never fought something bigger than a carno, why? Because It Will get me killed and i could perfectly run away. Here we are talking about more than half of the roster being stronger than utah, but when your Dino who is in the top 3 of strength has to run away from a single one dino (not half the dinos like an utah needs to) "is op"
paper oriole
i always pick on big shit that i shouldn't, dying is just a part of the game lol if it's bigger than you be prepared to start your growth over or leave it alone
lilac swallow
I would rather live, but if you fight something stronger and if It kills you at least recognize It was your fault for engaging and dont come crying because the other was "op" like many people do. Not saying you are one of those cryiers im just saying in general
night mountain
lmao whad i miss
oh i see
sorry apex carnivores aren't invincible edge machines
An easy solution is to just not pick on things you know can kill you
latent cave
In real life a rex would probably not mess with a shant, though ironically smaller more nimble dino like raptor would pose some what of a threat or at least have more to gain from attacking a shant, shants bodies make them unable to roll over and hard to stand back up should they be knocked over, additionally their skeleton suggests lack the flexibility to reach things on their back or sides very easily. A raptor could latch on to them and their is little they could do other then run in to things in an attempt to knock them off. Additionally raptors would not have to go for a kill but could just rip out chucks to eat, injuring the shant but not killing them, though leaving their victim susceptible to infection or blood loss should the injuries be bad enough. Larger raptors may also be able to rib open their neck to kill them or if in packs just cause enough damage to eventuly kill them through bloodloss, even if it got away it would be left weak and highly susceptible to another attack in the future
night mountain
I seriously doubt any raptor would attack something like a shant ever. That's like how a hippo can't do much about a leopard on it's back but like...why would it want to get in that fight?
wintry cipher
looks at the fact my pack regularly hunts rexes i dont think the size really matters
also
when utah had pounce, all it could pounce was shant and cama
and it was some of the best fun in the game at the time
latent cave
... why a leopard would not attack a hippo... they dont like in the same environments....
night mountain
Yes they do. Wat
wintry cipher
leopards have been known to attack and kill crocs. i think its the fact hippos are not capable of being pinned/killed with their bite to the back of the head unless its a calf is why they dont go after them
night mountain
oh yeah in game pounce could work for all kinds of shenanigans maybe
wintry cipher
like, irl leopard depends on crushing the back of the skull of its prey to kill it. utah here would try and rip into the ribcage/bleed their target out or puncture a lung. very diff hunting tactics.
wolves try and drag their prey to the ground by biting onto their legs or out-enduring them
which i can see utah trying if pouncing slows prey down
night mountain
I mean, wolves wouldn't attack a hippo either, neither do wild dogs who also live with them and hunt the same way. my point was just that animals usually make a point of not attacking things that can just instantly kill or maim them with little to no effort
latent cave
Hippos are also a hard target as they are able to roll to crush smaller attackers, and can bite any animals they can fit in their giant mouth in half
latent cave
A shant could not roll or it would break its spine
night mountain
a hippo can't roll over either, so same thing
latent cave
They can on their sides but not compleatly over
Similar to elephants who are able to roll on to their side
night mountain
well yeah, but that's just them laying down.
latent cave
If a sant was on uts side it would be very hard to get up, leaving tons of weak spots open to attack
So if a shant crushed a utah on its side by rolling on it its pack would kill them
night mountain
yeah, but I don't see why it'd lay down while being attacked? I wasn't saying shant would roll over and kill them lol
latent cave
Its only other method vs raptors latching on would ve to run in to stuff hurting its self in the process
And as stated before the raptors would not be going directly for a kill but rather to rib out chunks and wound it
night mountain
By that logic raptors could kill absolutely any dinosaur with zero problems. Even a Rex or something wouldn't have any easier of a time getting something off its side.
they could just scrape them off, they don't need to smash into rocks as hard as they physically can
Not to mention (iirc) group hunting being only theoretical and utahs using their jaws more than other raptors
latent cave
? How so the rex such tactics would only work well vs things like ceratops, long necks and larger hadrosaurs. Who have large inflexible bodies that are easy to grab hold on to
night mountain
Rex also has a large inflexible body.
latent cave
Its raptor would need to jump on a rex from able to actuly make it on to an area where it can safly attack
And the rex has to be unaware
night mountain
Again, same for shant, I don't really get your point here. Anything from a rex would be fatal. Anything from a shant would also be fatal
if anything shant has the longer neck so it'd honestly probably have an easier time of it. Attacking either would be a terrible idea though and they wouldn't try it to begin with
latent cave
Not same for a shant, if a raptor jumped on a rexs thigh it could pick it off, and the speed of a moving rexs leg would not be east to hold on to, meanwhile a shant could not do much of a raptor was on its back legs
night mountain
It could just pick it off like a rex would. You realize herbivores can still bite, right?
It wouldn't even NEED to bite, hitting it with the head at all would wreck it
latent cave
It cant reach
night mountain
But rex can? lol You might want to look at their anatomy again
night mountain
latent cave
I fail to see how that makes any point towards how a shant could defend its self
night mountain
It's a point about how rex physically wasn't capable of doing what you're talking about
latent cave
And also compleatly ignoring mt point that their leg design and method of locomotion makes it nearly immpossible to actuly grip on to its legs.
night mountain
How? Shant was more flexible as far as I know. Are rexs legs covered in teflon or metal or something making them ungrippable?
either way there's no evidence utah hunted anything especially large, or even that it was a pack hunter at all so it's all sorta a moot point either way
also i totally thought we were in paleotalk OOPS
latent cave
-_- no arrmor required look ar how an emu runs vs how and elipant runs, in order to hold on to a rexs leg required them to resist more forces trying to throw them off well also have worse grip
night mountain
i moved to paleotalk so mods wont get mad lol
night mountain
pounce is a thing the devs are making happen
finite perch
@minor dome this is planned! eating the same plant will make your colors yucky, eating special plants might change your colors as well
however metallics and glowing isnt planned
south flower
Yeah, I doubt they'll add plants that can turn you golden or metallic.
rotund tartan
get that bling bling going... yeah baby
pulsar lake
@lethal wren AI corps have a super duration.
On juv rex I need only of 4 or 5 ava to get sub adult.
And an ava corps stay something on hours and other too.
pulsar lake
Oro too
Oro can stay a long time
But psitta is normal, it's so small and in general you eat it in 2 or 3 bite exept apexs
barren zephyr
@ocean vortex no
it actually kinda makes the game hardish
which is the point of the game
but it isnt hard
but brings the challenge
barren zephyr
as a herbivore i enjoy when rains start
because that means a carnivore cant smell me out
ocean vortex
and rain for me and other people have always been annoyed as juvie herbie
well, especially when it's nighttime and it rains
barren zephyr
its both good and bad
ocean vortex
you can't find anything to eat
ocean vortex
it purges herbie juvies all over the map
you'll die anyways
high chance
I don't care if carnivores will track me or not
the rain has a higher chance of starve killing me
I'd prefer carnis over nighttime rain
ocean vortex
you can't
barren zephyr
smell again and look for the bush
ocean vortex
I've gone through a 2 hour storm once
barren zephyr
Holy shit
ocean vortex
max storm duration is 4 hours
barren zephyr
okay i see your point
indigo sun
How long is a whole day in game
indigo sun
Limit the rain to half of a day-night cycle. Can only last 30 minutes then
barren zephyr
Good idea! @pliant ember
pliant ember
pliant ember
Would make everyone's life easier
barren zephyr
how is rain a death sentence? it helps against trackers
prisma lily
as an herbi, you can still find bushes in the rain...? you can hear a different sound when you walk into an edible bush and they also look different, simply target the bushes with berry spots on them.
the long rainstorms actually help me a ton when playing herbivore, it prevents tracking as stated and also cushions the sound of me moving.
bitter trench
For herbivores when it rains and you're in a barren area, or it's night, it's usually much harder to find food without sniffing, and if you're starving it can be a death sentence.
Juvies are much more prone to being affected by rain because they're slow, sandbox dinos that can't sniff usually can go a long time without food and are faster, oros die much quicker if you're on a server where you can play as one.
barren zephyr
for herbivores maybe
bitter trench
For carnivores, it's harder to track. Usually not a death sentence
I would still like it to rain quite a bit, but I don't want it to rain for 3 hours
viral creek
Rain usually dosen't last that long.
I think you're overreacting.
Even if it were, rain has saved my butt multiple times, by hiding my scent from predators, especially when I'm bleeding.
keen trail
Ah true
indigo sun
I dont a reason to put in what is basically just a giant bird
ocean vortex
a super long suggestion is a bad suggestion tbh
not everyone will be bothered to read one hundred paragraphs
stanzas
whatever its called
indigo sun
Better than"add x it's cool"
viral creek
Not sure if I'd call argent, the apex predator of the skies though,.
Quetz was a huge boi
ocean vortex
argent is around 40 kg
maybe even 60 kg
nothing near quetz though
also, considering birds are reptiles... yeah... argent is technically a reptile
feral wedge
I love the whole “Dino idea”
Posts oversized vulture
dreamy wharf
Implying vultures aren’t neat. 
indigo sun
Same difference
barren zephyr
NO to Birds! i they always attack me for no reason irl now ingame too? ugh
indigo sun
Its not even a dinosaur anyway. "Another flying dino idea" when its just a condor
ocean vortex
argent is bulkier than ptera
ocean vortex
anyways
I don't care if it's a "dinosaur"
it came from the ice age
so, no.
no mammoths, no terror birds, no woolly rhinos, and no argentavis
no fricking ice age animals
ocean vortex
the only exception to the mesozoic animals of TI is the Titanoboa
and that's not even close to being in the game
viral creek
Titano has potential for some really cool gimmicks aswell
compact coyote
ye it does tbh
jovial saddle
Wait but Quetzalcoatlus wasn’t the biggest Pterosaur
feral jewel
Flying dinos could be cool or something that could glide
indigo sun
argentavis isnt a dinosaur though
indigo sun
it is. it's shorter with a giant head
jovial saddle
Ambourgaia is bigger and taller than both lol
umbral prairie
I don't know about argentavis
sure, it's technically a dinosaur
but I don't think it would really fit with the rest
jovial saddle
I would like it better as AI
ocean vortex
argentavis is a dinosaur
because it's a bird
however, TI favors raw dinos
raw like tyrannosaurs and triceratops
lilac swallow
Basically the isle is about dinosaurs that arent birds
compact coyote
heres the problem with that suggestion
pelagornis would require another creature to have its gimmick be useful/get 100% our of its playstyle
if there arent any pteras flying around, well, then what?
night mountain
then you just eat fish or whatever
compact coyote
then dont make that as its gimmick because if it had something more useful people will do stuff like that anyways
night mountain
it'll proooobably be ai though so i'd assume it'll just not spawn or kinda fly around
compact coyote
im thinking pelagornis wont be ai just because it would have a different flight model to ptera and thus a different playstyle to it
night mountain
lol make it able to swoop attack stuff and go bleed, then you just harass everyone who has a kill in the open off of it
yeah id LOVE for it to not be ai
just being a flying bleeder would be pretty fun
compact coyote
but pretty much cancer to everything else
think about it from an external point of view
there would be literally nothing stopping, hell even a good 10-20 pelas from mobbing the shit out of everything and do bleed
it would be like a dilo megapack but even more annoying as you can do very little to deter them
night mountain
Theres a ton stopping them, they'd be crazy easy to get away from
all you'd need to do is go under or near trees at all
viral creek
I don't even know if pelegornis has been touched, or mentioned outside that file.
night mountain
Same :((
but it being there has gotta mean SOMETHING
i feel like maybe its like the catfish or other fish mentioned in that file and will just be like, new ai for the new map maybe? idk though
oblique crown
Instead of Argentavis just have some vulture
paper oriole
Have vultures circle over afkers to snitch on their pussygrow spots lol
barren zephyr
night mountain
vultures lured in by the scent of mild diarrhea
torpid wedge
mild
barren zephyr
yea yea
paper oriole
oh no not the mild diarrhea
paper oriole
i'll deter the hypo dung beetles by hosing them down with maia milk
night mountain
hahaha
I unironically want a shit animation for ptera
make it its f call when flying
i just wanna try and hit people with it like a seagull
brittle bough
i cant believe the isle was fly like a bird 4 all along
earnest blade
I could see fallen trees crossing small ravines like the one on thenyaw
def not the main canyon on v3 tho
granted I assume that's not the one you were refering to
paper oriole
they could add or move one of the bridges on v3 to make a canyon crossing maybe
night mountain
Oh yeah I wasn't referring to any specific canyons, more the new map
earnest blade
nah
a metal bridge
if the bridge self destructed it would have to either fix itself or wait until the server reset
paper oriole
a bridge with a buncha holes n shit that raptors/dryos/galis etc can leap over but the fatasses will get stuck lol
or broken parts with the metal support beams still there you can try to creep across
vestal rune
@loud vine though that possibly would be cool, mercs won't be hunting dinosaurs and will instead be getting food from supply drops. As such, a dedicated system like that would probably not be worth adding in a game where it won't provide the largest benefit
prisma lily
i mean, look at the tiny bridge to the boat at uhhh... i keep mixing it up with cargo or docks, but the one area with the boats
and large dinos can carefully walk across onto the ship
lament thorn
also Mercs wont be eating the dinos
lament thorn
no don legit said they would regret it if they did
so I think only other dinos/tribals have the stomach for whatever is wrong with the meat
loud vine
i havent watched any steams or anythin for a good month so im damn sorry
loud vine
I mean they could use my suggestion for if they needed bones or hide from dinos
vestal rune
ye they'll be getting food from supply drops
I highly doubt they'll be getting any resources directly from killing dinosaurs
as you want to minimize dino deaths thanks to humans since they have insta kill weapons
guns will be for deterant and protection, not for killing
loud vine
Hides > Leather > Tanned leather > armor after getting sinew
vestal rune
they'll be getting armour from supply drops
loud vine
mk
vestal rune
ye
lament thorn
killing dinos will be mainly for self defence as ammo wont just be given to you
brittle bough
it is a neat system tho, if it could be implemented in another game
vestal rune
ye
it could potentially be more useful if you could somehow integrate it into tribals
loud vine
Tbh i could imagine when dondi finishes this game
lament thorn
^
loud vine
he's just like
lament thorn
yeh tribals could use it
vestal rune
though idk if tribals will be getting food/resources from dinos
loud vine
"Ok we're doin a dragon one now chop chop"
loud vine
i just be done if he did that
lament thorn
I think tribals will be eating dinos because humans and other tribals might be harder to come across
so not a very reliable food source
coarse shell
if anything someone should do an alien version of the isle
vestal rune
there could be other sources of food
short bone
hey any admin, could u guys possibly add a /die command.. really annoying when i wanna change dino but never able to get myself killed.
vestal rune
I also think they'll probably hunt dinos but we haven't heard anything about that I don't think
@short bone that exists
/slay
coarse shell
only for admins
loud vine
there are alien dragons tho
coarse shell
lol
brittle bough
isnt that generally for admins tho- yeah
vestal rune
ye, if you don't use it on anyone and just say it then it will kill you
coarse shell
a suicide command for players in general would be very exploitable
short bone
when suicide ur body disapear then
brittle bough
how could it be exploited?
thatd be even more exploitable, being hunted and just spite suicide
coarse shell
suicide in water to deny food
vestal rune
you could die in some fuckoff place and have your predator be unable to get your corpse
brittle bough
the servers i play have rules against body denial so eh
and you can die in water or by your friends in more manual ways lol
and given random spawns, dying just to eat yourself seems dubiously viable, and is something you can do anyway if you launch off of a cliff
vestal rune
base game needs to have ways of preventing abuse without admins
as once the game is released, official servers will need to be able to run with the only admin care is dealing with hackers
brittle bough
perhaps make the command only work on certain terrains, a la nests, so you cant die up on an object or at an obtuse cliff
night mountain
I don't see how it'd be exploitable at all
Like sure you could do it in water but also you can still just go in water and wait and die anyway so the die command isn't causing anything unique
brittle bough
exactly
the only thing i could see is something agile, e.g. utah, being hunted and going up onto a rock and suiciding out of spite
but refer to: just have it work on certain terrains to solve that
night mountain
I mean, utahs can do that anyway
you can just hop on a rock and refuse to get down and die
or log, or lots of other things
brittle bough
aye
stray cloak
Considering things like falling into a human structure can leave you waiting an hour+ to starve/dehydrate to death, a /die would be useful
hexed island
is mods ever coming back?
indigo sun
Wrong place to ask and yes, eventually the dev kit will come back so people can make mods again.
hexed island
thanks for info tho
paper oriole
pretty sure they got styraco in their database already, no need to replace, just add on
jovial saddle
Allosaurus never had a weaker bite than a lion wtf
And looking at the allo bite animation, I’d say it’s shoving its upper jaw downwards
Not entirely like an axe but somewhat similar
pure copper
The hatchet-axe bite idea was one hypothesis for a time but isn’t really widely subscribed to and heavily scrutinized by paleontologists due to being rather nonsensical and unnecessary for the animal based on what we now know of its skull biomechanics. It’s bite certainly wasn’t weaker than a lions but it did have a relatively lower degree of jaw muscle attachments than other theropods and thus a lesser bite force. Though this isn’t really an issue when you have a strong set of jaws full of serrated teeth made for slashing and tearing
tepid light
@coarse shell iirc they made it that way because changing your settings in game made the game prone to crash
coarse shell
ah ok
paper oriole
a medium-range minimap after smelling, displaying nearby water, edible plants (herbivores only) and nearby creatures. But if a creature stays completely still for some time they become invisible to smell.
sounds a little biased towards afk growers aye?
and disabling friendly fire would be disastrous
when you could have a bunch of dilos/raptors lined up on your arse spambiting you with no penalty
velvet tulip
True.
paper oriole
would be neat to see progression brought back as an option tho
coarse shell
ive played herbi very often and its not hard to find food when its raining..
edgy furnace
It’ll probably be modded back in
paper oriole
in some areas it can be but in most you can find bushes pretty easy once you figure out spotting them at a glance
coarse shell
yeah, they're easy to recognize once you get used to it
paper oriole
i'm colourblind and i can find those bushes without scent, the rain is hardly a death sentence in that regard
barren zephyr
Who knows when the isle is coming out for mac
neat flicker
A mac would almost never be able to run the isle unless they made a bush a 2 sided poly and made the dinosaurs extremely low poly aka blocky. Macs aren't meant for gaming, so they wouldn't redo everything in the isle for a mac user to be able to play it.
tepid light
Mac used to be able to play The Isle, they dropped support for mac because of an issue with UE4 and the MacOs iirc
gaunt parcel
I agree with whatever bird ai circling up in the air for food, having the players to observe more and keep their eyes open
paper oriole
Oh joy another "buff giga because rex" suggestion
pulsar lake
Giga is a prey of rex
And giga can fuck a Rex in 1v1 in ambush
And he can large escape at a Rex couple. I've done it a lot of times.
But I see so many people ask for progression back :-:
I don't understand why
valid zephyr
because it is a game mode which makes apexes tougher to get, so you see more smaller tiers and less apexes
rather than the entire playerbase running round as rexes
barren zephyr
BUFF GIGA CAUSE REX XDDDDD
floral plover
@fleet surge Giga is really strong as is, it doesn't need a speed buff, that would basically just make it a weaker theri with a ton of bleed.
When suggest something u should know what to suggest, u should test the creature against every other creature, u give it a speed buff, it will catch up to Para and be able to kill Trikes more easily.
U give it a speed buff, u also give it an ambush buff, which catches up to Maias, Allos, Suchos, Utahs, Dilos.
lilac swallow
Not to mention currently giga can scape rex due to Rex shitty stam
floral plover
It will basically catch up to everything.
Giga can easily kill a Rex with that amazing turn radius.
lilac swallow
Giga cant kill rex, giga is meant to run away from rex
floral plover
Trashy Giga's are meant to run from Rexs.
Just because u don't know how to play as a creature doesn't mean it sucks.
lone widget
Exactly
barren zephyr
boi
floral plover
Why whenever I explain something it comes out mean lmao.
lilac swallow
Trashy gigas?
floral plover
I basically said they suck at the game lmao.
barren zephyr
welp
floral plover
Well I mean it is true tho.
lilac swallow
Wait, alt turn or not?
barren zephyr
just because they suck at a dinosaur doesnt mean they suck at the game
correction.
lilac swallow
Giga is meant to get screwed by rex regardless of skill
barren zephyr
k
barren zephyr
yeh
floral plover
U don't even need skill.
lone widget
...
barren zephyr
alt turn omfg
floral plover
Alt turn needs to stop existing
barren zephyr
thats why isla nycta is the bomb, no alt turn
lone widget
I learned sum assride tricks from ma fwiend, so it’ll be easy to assride rexys
barren zephyr
even on dm
lilac swallow
alt turn is gonna be forced on all servers, sorry for you
floral plover
Nope.
floral plover
Some servers have it disabled, if they remove the option from hosting a server, mods are a thing, they will get rid of alt turn 😉
lone widget
Alt turn saved my lifes sometimes when i got close to cliffs 😅😅
lone widget
Ye...
floral plover
^
lilac swallow
Alt turn is letrally to stop assride
barren zephyr
😮
lone widget
No
barren zephyr
kinda yes
lone widget
Bcs the person assriding you will go backwards too
floral plover
Lemme say something here, when isle was first released everything had a good turn radius and the game was still balanced anything can kill anything.
But now
lone widget
Sprinting backwards 😂
floral plover
Ur giving things sharp turn radiuses bring in alt turning, which is basically OP.
Just give everything a good turn radius and done.
Or put in trample dmg.
barren zephyr
cerato
lone widget
Carno woth good turn would be annoyig
floral plover
Cerato, no comment.
I mean only trot and walk turn radiuses
Not running
Running turns should stay horrible
barren zephyr
cerato the matser of ass riding
floral plover
Actually ima suggest that.
barren zephyr
along with utah
lone widget
Utah turn in walk is very sharp but slow
barren zephyr
suggestion doesnt make sense to me
lone widget
Sharp turn
lilac swallow
If you make the bigger guys have worse turn radius on no alt turn they just get asriden to death therefore you grow longer for nothing
lone widget
The turn is sharp but the speed is slow
barren zephyr
k
floral plover
Lemme make it make more sense then
lone widget
Where is the sense
lone widget
u sent nothing
floral plover
floral plover
Um no.
It's tail remember.
It can just run towards or or through u and hit u.
If u try to bite it from the front.
But eh
Ur kind of right
lone widget
Yes
pulsar lake
Wait pachy is god? It's one of the worst dinosaurs of the game
With the carno, sucho and para now
lilac swallow
Pachy god refers to he loving pachy and worshiping It, not It being actually a good dino
pulsar lake
He can escape from predators like allo and other stuff yes but it's a dilo and Utah leat
Meat
He have no bleed resistance
If he have bleed resistance it will be good
He just melt to bleed.
One dilo bite kill it and Utah need of one or two
They can face tank and go out of pachy
lilac swallow
Is basically like trike, is not really bad but there are 2 dinos that invalidate them
pulsar lake
But as pachy I've killed Utah and dilo but as dilo I've killed so easily them
Yeah trike is bad
Thursday I've killed one as Rex in face tank.
It shouldn't be possible
lilac swallow
Utah just have to face tank 2 hits of the pachy and then use its superior speed to bleed out pachh
pulsar lake
I want reparted damage and a type of armor for some dinosaurs like trike head, pachy head and ankylo back.
formal vine
Pachy sucks atm
You can kill utah
but you'll die in the process
Your bleed heal is fricking ridiculously BAD, even if you sit, you'll reach 4th screen before your bleed heals.
paper oriole
I have an easier time killing utah and dilo with a galli than a pachy when pachy has longer growth, poor boi needs a real bleed res+heal buff
wintry cipher
@velvet tulip in regards to friendly fire; that would eliminate any skill at all in hunting as a pack. I'm a part of one of the most successful Utah packs and we train hard to be able to perform around a dozen bites in quick succsession without hitting each other. You have to learn how to do this very precisely and it's such a rewarding feeling when you know your pack works better together than others because you are more skilled and you worked hard for that skill.
If the prey "gets away" you can either track it by blood or you just don't get the kill. Happens when we hunt rexes all the time.
Overall, if there was any sort of friendly fire system added, it would be a slap to the face of those who actually practiced and got good at working as a group. Quality over quantity. Instead, friendly fire nullification only encourages really bad habits in old and new players and removes skill in group combat entirely. Getting multiples rexes or trikes or allos, etc to bite each other for example would no longer happen, and give you a chance of beating them.
"It's just hard to coordinate" is also not a very good reason to add friendly fire. You get what you put into this game. If you practice on death match servers that are empty with just your packmates, you can learn an awful lot without the risk of dying like in survival.
It's as simple as calling your hits, and then figuring out who your "strikers" and "distracters" are. Everyone can do something in a pack fight even if they don't directly fight. Your prey does not know what you do about your pack. Use that against them.
barren zephyr
@fleet surge TIME FOR A FUCKING CRUSADE
Everyone in this discord with a few braincells is gonna stone you to death
blazing charm
<@&401466542140817419>
feral wedge
If y’all make me step out of work to deal with your dumb shit, I’m going to straight ban you. Y’all knock it off.
blazing charm
@lethal wren That sounds like the ultimate food denial grief
"Oh hey, I'm being hunted. Might aswell just vanish so they get nothing out of it"
lethal wren
I said when you kill yourself. It don't drop a Body.
lament thorn
yeh
blazing charm
Yeah, exactly.
blazing charm
^
lethal wren
Will that maybe will not make sense, but Hunting mechanic.
blazing charm
...Pardon?
barren zephyr
🤨
lethal wren
I know.
lament thorn
excuse me?
lethal wren
That's going to be a hole New discussion.
indigo sun
I believe theyre asking you to clarify your previous sentence as it doesnt seem to make much sense
lethal wren
Okay then.
When there Is a Carnivore near you, you can't suicide yourself. If you In a Group Invite will you can suicide.
blazing charm
Mind giving an example of "near"
lethal wren
Okay.
blazing charm
Meters? Kilometeres?
north hemlock
why cant it just have a timer like safe logging and then drop ur deadass body or something.
lilac swallow
Simply give a body, why is that cheating?
indigo sun
No one's killing themselves for food anymore
Well, no one with less than $20 to spend freely
lethal wren
When there's a Rex near you, like a Twin lake Size, you can't suicide your self.
lament thorn
with a suicide option people could just go and feed their starving juvie friends with their herbivores
north hemlock
thats dumb
just drop a body with a timer for the command
nothing broken/op about that
👏
who cares if people abuse it
people abuse everything
lethal wren
What the heck are you saying.
blazing charm
twin lake size
Okay, think we could try again but with actual measurements of distance?
lilac swallow
The "starving juvie friend" can just kill you
indigo sun
I dont see a reason for it to not leave a body. And enabling that sort of limit seems very complicated when you could just as easily use a timer
compact coyote
people abuse everything but that doesnt mean you give them more things to abuse
lament thorn
last time i checked juvies had a difficult time killing adult anything
compact coyote
that sounds like a you problem tbh
lilac swallow
Last time i checked was impossible to starve as juvie
lament thorn
I just dont see whats wrong with using a nice cliff or a pond
lethal wren
If It was too far.
north hemlock
sometimes there isnt anything like that nearby
indigo sun
Regardless, i dont see a reason to not leave a body. Put a time limit on it so people cant fuckin suicide all over the place and crash the server with their bodies
north hemlock
^
north hemlock
wat
indigo sun
?
lament thorn
theres gonna be a lot of suicides in the less desirable spawn points
north hemlock
that problem would be fixed if we could just choose where we want to spawn out of all the spawnpoints
😔
but people think everything is OVeRpOWeRed or bROkEN
when it isnt
indigo sun
Could also be fixed with no beach spawns cause those are trash
lethal wren
I was just saying that People see how that's going to work.
Sorry If my English was bad.
north hemlock
👌
lethal wren
So, I guess you Guys did get It, or Is It just a Silly, Trash, dumb Suggestion?
indigo sun
A suicide thing could be an option, but it should leave a body and not be limited by whoever is near you. Use a time limit that goes up with each suicide you use in a play session so it cant be horribly abused and people are encouraged to go from wherever they spawned in instead of suiciding for a better one. But also remove beach spawns altogether
lethal wren
You can put that In the Suggestions instead of mine.
lilac swallow
That and the inhability of suiciding when something is near is basically a radar of predators
lethal wren
If you want to die.
lilac swallow
If you dont want you could "oh i will look if the game let me suicide, oh It doesnt this means there is something close"
lethal wren
I'm still want to say the Idea. Butt I don't know how I say It.
If you want to lose your Dino.
But that maybe could be a Small distance.
I still don't know why People still thinking about Negative thing so they said oh, "this Is Bullshit."
Think In the Between.
Better then think In One thing.
lilac swallow
But if i dont want to lose my Dino i still can see if the game let me suicide or not
lethal wren
Yeah, but the Map Is so Big.
So you got a Big Chance to die.
I don't want to say that my Idea Is the best or the something like that.
It's still has some Negative and Positive.
Oh yeah, and there will be something In the Server that can you enable the Sacrifice.
See. There's a lot of Ideas In One Suggestion.
barren zephyr
@oblique hearth why do you suggest that my fine sir?
oblique hearth
why not
lethal wren
The Imagination.
lilac swallow
Why yes?
lethal wren
I don't know why, but Imagination.
indigo sun
Theres no reason for carnivores to mixpack
lethal wren
That's going to break the Laws of the Game.
indigo sun
Dilos and utahs both have their own strengths and weaknesses and have no reason to group together
indigo sun
Different species altogehter
prisma lily
utahs and dilos make for great combat against eachother, having them coordinate would bust a ton of intended gameplay, and carnivore mixpacking is really difficult to compete against too, as can be seen on servers that have allowed it.
indigo sun
*altogether
prisma lily
cuz carnivore dinos are created with the intention of working alright solo or only with their own species.
blazing charm
Okay, down for agreeing to disagree, but
Please dear god no, anything but progression.
prisma lily
adjusted progression without the complete wipe upon death and less weird advancement requirements would be fun...
lament thorn
just be patient
viral creek
I know a person in particular who wants to bring back a modified version of progression via dev kit.
lilac swallow
I didnt like to play an Austro if i wanted to play utah, that and when i progreses i couldnt keep my pack
last remnant
Isn't that the only way it's coming back?
I thought the devs said that at some point.
Like, it'll be a mod.
indigo sun
Yeah. Theyve abandoned progression in favor of survival so mods are its only hope
pulsar lake
Ik progression is harder and have an objective but in survival you do the dinosaur you want directly but you need to grow.
After it will need of old model, or curent ones, and another type of balance. Or we can have a system with progression in survival like you start utah, you need to grow and play 240 minutes to be Allo and on Allo you need 480 minutes to be Rex like before.
These times are old official progression point.
pulsar lake
Oh @fleet surge ! With what I've have done I was thinking to you with your suggestion!
So I was a Rex and I meet a giga, what have do the giga? He walk away because he have a better trot than me!
barren zephyr
@glossy tangle It wouldnt be able to.
without getting stabbed
Triceratops had a really strong head and neck
i doubt a rex can hold it
and even so
dont give rex too much advantages over trike it already has.
teal grotto
@barren zephyr Rex has a huge advantage already lol
barren zephyr
exactly
thats my point
@teal grotto
@teal grotto But sub juve giga are already
way stronger
than sub juve rex.
making them faster would mean juve and sub rex to be completely worthless in comparison.
Its slower for that exact reason
if adult giga is overpowered
atleast let the young stages suffer
teal grotto
@barren zephyr lol yeeeet rexes are better in every other way?
teal grotto
That's not what most people are talking about lol
barren zephyr
adult giga is better than adult rex in almost every wya already
way*
atleast the young stages are for the rex
barren zephyr
sub giga is pretty strong already @teal grotto
and dont even say that only 100% sub giga is strong cause thats just visual and dondi confirmed it
also juvie giga should stay the way it is
all juvies are trash anyway so buffing an apex juvie isn't logical
grand brook
@marble cove the point should be that those 6 hours are an actual challenge and you need to move around and do stuff rather than waiting in a bush afking only eating ai, reducing times would only make apexes more numerous that they already are
limpid dove
rex, giga and trike should take 8 hours. change my mind. if you want a challenge, it should take longer to grow. this will mean that you'll be an easy target for a longer amount of time until you hit full growth
limpid dove
not wrong. all you need are a couple of adults, the right location and you can just sit there all day afk growing like everyone else does
everything will be fixed with affinity.
limpid dove
im hoping that if people just sit there for the entirety of their growth, it'll take a long longer. maybe it can go from 6 to 8 hours or something, but if you're actually exploring it can be shorter/base
indigo sun
There's gonna be things to stop afk growth in the future, including ai not spawning in your mouth so they have to actively search for food
marble cove
thats why i said it could be an option
paper oriole
#BuffTrike
indigo sun
also "add subadult"
sucho's a fuckin mid tier it doesnt need a growth stage for apexes
lilac swallow
"Shrink sucho"
first, why? Seriously whats the motive Second, is already shrinked, you think shrinking It more makes sense?
lilac swallow
Specially if they were to shrink It like he ask
paper oriole
yea lmao
indigo sun
@lone kite to reiterate the points listed. 1.) sucho is already very small
2.) why does sucho need to be smaller than it currently is?
3.) why does sucho need a sub stage as a mid tier when those are specifically for apexes?
lilac swallow
"lets make an actually shrinked Dino even smaller, lets give It a subadult that wouldnt fit even with the old size, hell It wouldnt fit even with the real size but lets ad a subadult"
thorny lynx
Who the heck asked to shrink sucho? Sucho is already small as heck... It's barely bigger than allo, when it should dwarf it.
lilac swallow
Maybe he would ask to rename it to baryonux as well
thorny lynx
Bary is just as big as sucho lmfao
unborn quail
Shrink an already undersized dinosaur
lilac swallow
Upscale diablo 
thorny lynx
mmm, Diablo isn't even that ;arge to begin with
It's one ton heavier in game than it should be, already xD
lilac swallow
Thats my point
thorny lynx
All dinos need some sort of scaling. The fact carno dwarfs allo and cerato but weighs less than them is really beyond me.
thorny lynx
I just want accurate dino model sizes. Everything feels so big.
indigo sun
I'd love if people actually responded to suggestion discussions for the suggestions they made
thorny lynx
I stand next to a door as a rex and I feel like I'm 7 feet tall.
barren zephyr
replaces sucho with bary
lilac swallow
I prefer bary but thats me
lilac swallow
That and having 2 apex and a pseudo apex is worse than having 2 apex and a mid tier in water
But thats just my opinion
unborn quail
Sucho really isn't a pseudo apex to begin with
lilac swallow
Yeah but you get my point
night mountain
psucho apex
unborn quail
Probably never will be, Which is understandable. So long as it tells Allo to fuck off, i'm happy with it
lilac swallow
In water we got 2 apex and a Big mid tier, It comes from kind of Big to plain Big, not much size diference between the water boys
night mountain
Hopefully austro and bary make it in at some point too
unborn quail
Meh, last thing we need is another push over mid tier, which is what bary would be.
It would just make allo the uncontested top mid tier
night mountain
idk if everything needs to revolve on how well it can fight allo though
indigo sun
austro would be a good addition
unborn quail
Everyone uses it as a standard for mid tiers already, so might as well
lilac swallow
Standar of mid tiers
The 2nd biggest mid tier
unborn quail
One is garbage, the other is fast and more centered around smaller stuff
Allo is the mid tier, Generalistic animal
night mountain
though personally I don't care if something is in sandbox purgatory forever as long as it's injectable still
mental sleet
Watt will certainly try
sick meteor
;;
jovial saddle
I want progression so badly
But it has the same problem with survival
Apex carnivore spam
indigo sun
i mean, it's a bit harder in progression to get an apex from what I heard, but this can be easily solved in survival by giving players perks like shorter growth time if they move around, which is planned
mental sleet
like variety is of any relevance when they are all stat bots
indigo sun
Hey @barren zephyr can't do "buff x" suggestions
gaunt parcel
Well it says can't do "nerf x"...
tepid light
make it worse or make it better kinda is the same at the end of the day 
gaunt parcel
yes i was joking 
rigid tartan
anyone else think camera positioning for big dinosaurs in dense forest jungle is bit of a problem? you can barely see your own dino let alone if you're chasing something. could fall over a ledge and die easy enough in there.
i know the easy answer is "oh just dont go in there" but its the best place to hunt people as they cant see you from 300m away lol
problem is you cant see them from 2m xD
blazing charm
@shell mica You have to understand, Strains are still under development. Right now they are in such an unfinished and unbalanced state to where they are pretty much unstoppable (which, they are somewhat supposed to be but I think they are supposed to have SOME weakness)
I get what you're saying, you just want to run around as one in your own private server, but then every single community server would just have Hypers running around and that would just kill the magic, which is saying something considering they are kind of overused already.
Also I don't think the Hyper raptor is even ready yet.
shell mica
@blazing charm you're right
@blazing charm It's been too long since the game was released and it's been four years now. If we want to get these, it means we're going to live longer than dongdi, right? It's worrying that the situation is unknown to everyone.
blazing charm
It's a trying time, yeah. But all good things do come in time. I'd just find something else to occupy yourself with in the meantime, not that I am saving to give up or forget about the Isle of course.
hallow vigil
to all the "bring back prog" suggestions:
progression is 100% deathlyrage's code i believe, meaning it would have to be completely remade in the recode to bring it back
so its not a simple "bring it back" or "turn it back on"
they would have to remake it, while survival isnt even done itself yet
blazing charm
Didn't even think about that.
hallow vigil
rekt
blazing charm
Hey now, I never said I wanted Prog
I just disagreed with the idea of bringing it back because it was genuinely the most painfully boring experience to go through.
rotund tartan
@simple wagon what happens if you die ?
simple wagon
you loose them
I mean idk how much you have to work for them, but I just want to show examples how they work
rotund tartan
if you loose them you are just forcing people to cheat
rotund tartan
well... depends.. as a tank.. just find someone to hit you.. you heal.. hit.. heal hit.. the end
and dying.. the game needs to be sure it can tell from a juvie from an adult
so they dont abuse it that way
if I kill a juvie rex.. for example
simple wagon
yup you can fix it with hunting full grown
and getting damage from adults
also it will be kinda slow so people can spot cheaters
barren zephyr
@simple wagon I feel like you think rex is a scavenger with your suggestion.
simple wagon
wait wat
night mountain
Rex went extinct because it only could see moving things like in jp but also only scavenged, RIP
jovial saddle
barren zephyr
@night mountain isn't that just a myth,
being only able to see moving things i mean
barren zephyr
lol
The Compsognathus is related to the Austroraptor
Just putting that out there
'neat'
As in, they are almost the same. Small scavengers
blazing charm
As I was saying, running around as something so tiny would get pretty boring after awhile, and someone that small could easily be used as a scout/spy.
blazing charm
You do realise, Austro is pretty much the same size as a human, right?
blazing charm
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