just.... don't talk about it, basically anything is furry bait in this day and age 🤦
#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
shell willow
^
If you say furry 3 times, they appear, suit and all. Hush children. They can hear your cries.
barren zephyr
what would happen if dinos (pachy,anky etc) could attack trees causing them to fall and having the leaves be edible. how well would that work? just a random thought
lilac swallow
Would be pretty hard because the trees currently are basically part of the map not their own thing
night mountain
i'd be down for that as a mechanic at some point for some species
mental sleet
if trees are their own blueprint
it's quite doable.
if they managed to make it so edible bushes change their model from ''has food'' to ''empty''
then they could just do the same with trees.
not sure if it worth the trouble atm.
night mountain
they're gonna fix trees probably soonish so at least sauropods can eat from them
lmao brachi laying down to eat from bushes
worthy tusk
I want a plant that can be ingested that makes everything, like, better man... the Herbies need something to make things less stressful
paper oriole
maia: sniffs
MOOOAAAAN
night mountain
Lmao
night mountain
Honestly the only problem there is there’s not really have a way to do drugs in a game without them just being negative effects
Give dinosaurs pcp
Temp double up and triple damage lmao
Hp
paper oriole
an herbi eats drug plant, gets high. carni comes and eats the herbi, also gets high
barren zephyr
poisonious plants/berries maybe
night mountain
Shrooms
finite perch
the loud sniff is to give away your position if ur smart and dont call every 3 mins, esp if ur near herbivores/carnivores
same with sitting and drinking
paper oriole
well it makes no sense
why an herbi who is trying to survive would moan suggestively as he sniffs
night mountain
It’s for the erp players so you can sniff another Maia’s ass and moan while doing so
paper oriole
make the carnis feel awkward?
finite perch
because its an enormous 7 ton dinosaur, its not a quiet thing. have you ever been near a horse?
hell, even a dog that is sniffing to gain information is loud
paper oriole
horses dont go MMMMMMFH when they sniff something
they might make a pff and a schnorf
night mountain
Yeah know how horses neigh extremely loudly when they sniff something
paper oriole
but not outright go UMF UMF MMMM
finite perch
im not explaining how horses work to yall, regardless of what you think is cringe its fulfilling a gameplay purpose and should not be changed to fit a whim
paper oriole
herbis already have to stop to sniff
indigo sun
The sniffing noise fulfills a gameplay purpose?
paper oriole
and some have a long ass wait time for it
they don't also have to groan and moan super loud
the way many also stand up on their hind legs is a giveaway too the loud sounds are pointless, the sound of the sniff is more than enough
indigo sun
Herbivores are kinda handicapped as it is with sniffing. I dont see why they need to be loud too.
finite perch
you are put in a vulnerable position in order to gain the advantage of being able to have things pointed out to you. you are stopped, forced to be loud, then you get food you dont have to break your eyes over
paper oriole
idk what kind of carnivore is breaking their eyes over finding food
night mountain
Herbs should moan extremely loudly anytime any other dinosaur touches them
paper oriole
and it's funny that you call it any sort of advantage
night mountain
With locational maybe different regions are different loudness of moan
finite perch
yeah, the carnivores who have to stop and sniff 
paper oriole
herbis should scream "OH YES DADDY" for each bush that pops up from their scent
night mountain
Lmaooo
paper oriole
oh wait carnivores don't have to stop to sniff, whoooaaaaah!
almos tlike herbis having to stop isnt any sort of advantage
indigo sun
Theyre at a disadvantage with sniffing anyway. Just let em be quieter about it.
paper oriole
herbis should let out a scream of pleasure when a carnivore bites their rear
night mountain
lol herbs should switch to thicc anthro models whenever they sniff
paper oriole
fraidy is probably some carni who sucks at tracking footprints and expended bushes so they rely on maia moans to hunt
night mountain
Carno eating is another huge offender
paper oriole
carno: GWOMP
night mountain
It is so loud when it eats it’s not even a problem just like hilarious
paper oriole
but they are also fast as shit
night mountain
True
paper oriole
juvie giga also drinks pretty loud but i can't complain it's an apex
night mountain
Lol cama drinking
paper oriole
cama and ava drinking
night mountain
10 minutes of moaning
paper oriole
ugh have you heard ava drink
night mountain
No lmao not that I remember anyway
spiral pond
Here we go again “buff X dino even without its core mechanics”
paper oriole
can't find a video of it but it's such disgusting moaning. sandbox dino so it doesnt matter but the way some survival herbis moan is wtf
wtf utah doesn't need a buff lmao
it can escape so easily use yoru agility damn
indigo sun
@nova river
Uhhh utah's a tiny ass dino that takes like hour and a half to grow? Its not like its a mid tier. It's fine where it is and it'll be better with pounce.
paper oriole
remember the guy who said diablo needed a nerf cus one killed his utah after he attacked it
and he had like a huge tantrum
indigo sun
Also you gotta say what you want buffed. "Buff X" is not a proper suggestion.
paper oriole
he was calling people names all day and saying there was no reason diablo should oneshot his utah over and over
indigo sun
Does diablo one shot utahs?
spiral pond
I think dibble doesn’t directly 1 shot
paper oriole
yea its a couple sec delay of bleed
indigo sun
Nice
night mountain
It’s like carno and Galli, might as well one shot
paper oriole
ive tested it plenty of times
no chance to escape
unless the dibble feels merciful and you sit right away
but any smart dibble will just put the retard utah who attacked it out of its misery
indigo sun
Yeah cant just say "buff x"
paper oriole
i guess he thinks utah is too squishy, but then again
it's a fuckin utah
they arent supposed to take hits
night mountain
Utah’s are meant to sit at docks and roleplay, nothing else
paper oriole
plus they are pack hunters so the "has to hit things like 20 times" also kinda cancels out
paper oriole
yeah if it isn't a shit utah they'll just.. not get hit
i've seen one troll a spino for like 10 min biting it and not getting hit
barren zephyr
@nova river Everybody bloody hates utah kids like you
indigo sun
Lets not be a dick. Honestly the suggestion should be deleted since it goes against the rule that you cant say "buff x" but no reason to be rude
barren zephyr
i am right to be a dick here
how can you be so dumb
to think a utah could withstand a large dinosaurs bite
it should be common sense that as a really small carnivore you should get killed easily if you GET hit
they are more likely salty their indoraptors cant take on a rex
it should be removed indeed
paper oriole
i dont think the hostility is necessary but yeah utahs are supposed to not get hit
indigo sun
It was explained already that they are small dinosaurs with quick growth and are not in the same tier as things like allo, so it makes sense that they cant take bites from mid tiers while mid tiers need more bites to take down as a utah
barren zephyr
no need for buff
wintry cipher
utah honestly would skyrocket in viability once the hitboxes are fixed. thats the only thing really hindering them besides lack of pounce.
and with that its the first "complete" dino
barren zephyr
but utahs are already almost impossible to bite even if your jaws/weapon actually seems to hit it.
night mountain
I’ll admit it is silly they don’t use their claws ever tho
pale prairie
"first "complete" dino"
Dryo: am i a joke to you?
indigo sun
Dryo's burrow could be a bit more than a hole in the ground. It feels very barren
I feel like young dilos might be better suited than utahs to get into dryo burrows. Dilos have better night vision and those thick hands look good for digging and opening the tunnel a bit wider to get through
pale prairie
still the first animal with a working "ability"
dryo will always be the first animal with a working ability, apart from old pounce but we don't speak of that.
indigo sun
True
night mountain
What if you could piss on trees or anything else to mark territory
shell willow
STOP
wintry cipher
dryo also doesnt have its adrenaline rush ability yet so it isnt complete ^^
nova river
Lol, been thinking about specifics from my suggestion earlier. Literally only thing I'd change is to give it a tad bit more bleed. But I didn't know Utah's were getting pounce. So I'll try that out.
pale prairie
@wintry cipher it might not get that now, since it has the burrowing ability.
we'll see.
indigo sun
@gilded vale to clarify, you mean the icon that mothers have to show the nest location?
vestal rune
@viral creek just wanna say that the "breeder" gimmick wouldn't really work since in the future all the dinos will have variable amounts of eggs per nest
viral creek
I haven't heard about that. But it'll consider it. For now, all suggestions are being based on what is in the current game. Since everything that the developers mention is subject to change.
indigo sun
Regardless of the breeder thing, the rest is very nice
vestal rune
true I guess, though I very much doubt all dinos will have 4 eggs per nest in the future
viral creek
Ye. At least the first half of the breeder ability is relevant.
indigo sun
Protective parent is especially nice
vestal rune
lmao its also possible gestation times will be different but I'll just shut up
indigo sun
I hope gestation times are shorter. Dryo shouldnt take as much time as a rex
To gestate eggs that is
Well, shorter or longer depending on dinosaur
viral creek
^
gilded vale
@indigo sun Yeah, that Icon or something similar.
indigo sun
Ah okay. I agree
night mountain
glad everyone approves of destructable food thanks for the support
x marks the spot right
barren zephyr
not as bad the the one that asked for interspecies hybrids
@brittle merlin next upcoming big update is gonne change how bleed,stamina,health,weight works
brittle merlin
and who knows how long that will take, a quick little change maybe when they add stego in would be nice
brittle merlin
something needs to be done soon... we haven't heard like anything lately, and it's been quite a while since any changes have been made
formal vine
@brittle merlin Do you even know about the recode?
brittle merlin
yes
formal vine
Then wait for it
brittle merlin
and do you know how long it has taken?
night mountain
yes
brittle merlin
you cant tell me it takes that much effort and time to tweak some stats
formal vine
The dev team if working on deinosuchus, pteranodon, dynamic growth, A NEW MAP obviously it'll take for ever
keen trail
They are doing more than stats change on the recode
night mountain
its taking a long time because they need to add mild diarrhea animations for EVERY species
formal vine
'tweak some stats' Fixed stats and stuff like that will come with the new content
keen trail
Lol tentacle
night mountain
realtalk though i want a poop animation for ptera
brittle merlin
ok, and how long will it be when the new content is finally out... it has already been a long ass time
night mountain
i wanna nail some rexs
keen trail
So excited to see that for pue. Gonna poop on everyone’s head
brittle merlin
and they haven't told us anything
keen trail
Lol it should work as a ranged attack lmao
formal vine
They told us it'll take a long time
night mountain
few monthsish give or take
brittle merlin
and when was the last time they told us anything about their progress?
formal vine
They're working on three new creatures to add to the isle
Do you watch the streams reapers?
Dev streams?
There
brittle merlin
and if I remember correctly, they told us they would be more transparent
formal vine
All the progress is on those streams
brittle merlin
those streams are like 90% working on animations for the new dinos
formal vine
The new dinos is what the community wants most. Tweaks and fixes are being done in the background
brittle merlin
I am getting so bored and burnt out waiting... you honestly cant tell me they cant put out a few minor patches here and there
brittle merlin
that is what I have been talking about the whole time
how is buffing dryos bleed heal anything but minor?
formal vine
They're working on tweaking stats for all survival dinos as well
brittle merlin
I love this game, and am not gonna quit any time soon
formal vine
A patch with tweaked and fix stats could be help ful
brittle merlin
but I am getting fed up with the devs honestly
formal vine
But putting out a patch just saying
'Increased dryo bleed res'
I think they should update all stats of dinos in one single update
So everybody is happy
brittle merlin
they did something like that on the last patch we had, all it was was like 2 minor changes and a couple bug fixes
what is wrong with doing that again?
the people want something, something new to experiment and play with...
we dont wanna wait another month or longer
formal vine
Just fixing a single dinos stats in an update would be pointless, it would be better to just fix all dinos stats into one update
brittle merlin
and how long would we have to wait for that?
brittle merlin
I would rather get multiple small patches that fix and update a few things at a time, then have to wait a month or longer and get them all at once
wise warren
Making a game takes a lot of effort and time, if you want it to be good you have to be patient. I agree it can get frustrating having nothing new for so long but it means new things will be all the better when they are finally in
formal vine
^
brittle merlin
ok, I agree... but there is no way it takes much time or effort at all to tweak some stats
brittle merlin
that is all I want man... a minor patch that tweaks some stats to give us something new to play with
formal vine
The game will be way better when the recode arrives
wise warren
Iirc they need to fix the messed up code before they can do anything, or they risk messing it up worse
brittle merlin
4 of my friends I played with all the time quit because they are done waiting and are burnt out... I am bored, i have played every dino the way they are dozens of times
formal vine
They're redoing the game's code, they'll redo the stats again when the recode arrives.
Everything will be BRAND NEW, so just wait
brittle merlin
giving a dino a little more bleed resist and maybe some better healing cant break the code... there is no way
formal vine
You have a point, but it would be better to just redo all dino stats and put it into ONE update!
brittle merlin
I have taken a coding class, it is lines of text and numbers, somewhere there is a code that says when your below x amount of health, you heal x amount of health every x seconds
changing that x, shouldn't break anything
brittle bough
in good clean code probably, but considering that theres a tumor of shabby coding lodged in the current form of it..
wintry cipher
bleed has also been entirely reworked with a number of things
brittle merlin
doesn't*
wintry cipher
so major crossed fingers for that
brittle bough
theres nothing solidly dev-confirmed, but players' hopes for the recode range between august and december, so take your pick out of those and place your bets i suppose
agile whale
And then punch said this message: https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401469622659973120/560947779061547010 that basically says they aren't revealing their plans anymore because people have a tendency to think they can do it better in a shorter amount of time and stuff.
Hell just look at the suggestion and feedback channel. They showed off spino model, said don't leak it, it got leaked and everyone is throwing suggestions on how to make it "better" before they've even gotten to see it in-game
brittle bough
hell, even before theyve gotten to see the whole model at all lol
formal vine
lmao
night mountain
Suggestion: increase gallis kick speed
paper oriole
I dont assrape utahs fast enough i need more kick
barren zephyr
give galli bleed lmao @night mountain
paper oriole
Give galli bb
night mountain
make gallis kick drain predators hunger
grand brook
honestly juvie dilos could be a bit like ferrets, their bodies are long and their legs are relatively short
thorny lynx
What do people mean by Carchar was going to be a giga skin? Confused.
languid niche
I saw someone make a suggestion for a "I'm stuck" button. While this may seem like a good idea this would be something that I can see being heavily abused. Escaping from being hunted is just one prime example
valid zephyr
@viral creek that suggestion seems good. It needs the slowing down. Is the growth timer increase needed though? Atm it matches carno and I don't see it deserving longer growth than carno.
lilac swallow
Comrade i would say increase both grow times
They both grow like a small tier while they are a medium tier(in the smaller end of medium but still medium)
barren zephyr
@marble cove omg yes please!!!
"Maybe for parasaurs, there could be a second "run" where it uses all fours to run, which would make it slightly slower than the normal run, but it would use much less stam
How it could potentially work: If you held shift while walking normally, you would run normally. If you held shift while z walking, you would run on all fours." is what he said
i would love that to come into the isle.
if only as an aesthetic thing
kind spire
@languid niche I recall GuildWars 1 having a / stuck command that would actually do a quick check on "player data" vs "sever data". Idk, how they could make it work or un abusable but I would hazard a check to see if you are where you should be or shouldn't be; a type of ping maybe, should be pretty unabuseble?
ofc, that MMO didn't account for a 3rd axis, which could make for some hilarious glitches but could be a factor that makes the process much easier
languid niche
@kind spire nah given the game itself the application would be incredibly difficult to institute in a way that would not be abusible
There would be nearly no way to set up a code that could reliably asses a person's situation and whether or not that person is being actively hunted or tracked. If they are being tracked and they know it they could just use the "unstuck" command to escape the tracker
kind spire
The dev's, If alerted, to certain bugs and spaces could institute a "slash ""/"" stuck feature. they would just need more reports for said locations, which we are still in Beta... Should you not be at those Coordinates, you get an error and die for the attempt?
'If true, warp idk... within a certain radius. GL for you if you fell in again within X amount of time.
north hemlock
kind spire
wut?
barren zephyr
👋 😳
odd crow
Para cannot run full speed going forward on all fours. It’s body weight and momentum would be to much for its smaller front arms/legs
blazing charm
@amber topaz (1) That Halskaraptor idea kinda seems like it would be better suited to something like Compsgnathus or Velociraptor, both could argueably be better at pestering juvies than what basically in my eyes, amounts to a prehistoric duck.
As for the second thing, Something that small being able to climb/glide seems very unviable, not to mention opens the door for potential griefing via player scouting
grand brook
if a para ran on 4 legs, it would break it's arms
they are little twings compared to those nice meaty legs
also to the aquatic raptor suggestion, we already have austroraptor
amber topaz
@blazing charm Hi, thanks for the answer. Yeah, neither of those dinos really support the PvP idea of the game, since they are pretty much useless. If the game someday starts adding more smaller, playable PvE dinos to make the game more complex, maybe then my suggestion will be more usefull 😃 I'm not 100% sure where this game is going right now, but we'll see!
blazing charm
There'll be AI in the future, hell we currently have Velociraptor AI that can attack Juvenile dinosaurs (to little effect mind you)
barren zephyr
unless your a juvi carno they can kill you then -_-
blazing charm
I mean, all you have to do is alt turn and jiggle around if they are under you.
From my experience they will usually just stand there and wait for you to kill them.
barren zephyr
unless there is no alt turn, thats a pain in the a$$
so what do people think about my suggestion
barren zephyr
Do they have any intentions of fixing the desync?
desync whats that
When you lag and it rubberbands you to the position you were at a couple of seconds ago
And they seriously need to nerf the dilo aswell
oh ok, idk most games have it but it is generally caused by bad ping/internet/ whatever
This game is weird, the more people on the server there are the more I lag
and, dilo is fine as it is 😄 maybe i SMALL nerf to the bleed but thats it
and yes, thats generally how ping works
No it's not fine, has way too much bleed
a server with more than 50 people is considered laggy, just the way it is
it might not actually BE laggy but the ping says it is
a good ping is under 150
Well shit, they best find a way to reduce it
lmao they can't fix it without doing something about the server HOSTING, which may comeout in the recode
and for reference i've only ever had 2 rubberbanding experiences and one frame rate issue, but thats a bug
I think I played on an NA server aswell, I'm retarded
Nycta is NA right?
yup
Yeah, that explains it
play on something that has your regoin in its name, if your from eu try asura, na try nycta, au try land from down under etc
Does Asura even have any players?
Never heard of it
Oh it does
oh its a god like server
just play it and you'll find out
Eh I like semi realism
Any EU semi realism servers?
have a look 😃 just search [EU] in the server name nad you'll find eu servers
boom don't post a suggestion then immediatly delete it man, you need to think before you post 
valid zephyr
yep i like the idea of bodies drifting to shore
will alos mean people eating bodies on the edge are good food for deinos
viral creek
@valid zephyr Carno's growth time is also pretty broken and I think it needs to be raised alongside maia's. But this suggestion isn't about carno.
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr thats uh "basically" every dinosaur ingame that isnt dilophosaurus 👌 unless you ambush at night
indigo sun
every dinosaur is better in the day, so i dont know what could be added that would be somehow even better than the current diurnal dinosaurs
barren zephyr
maybe be faster,rapid stamina regen,faster attacks also i said it could not be a dino
as in a creature that is buffed during the day but fears the night more so then others
just a suggestion thought
indigo sun
dilos dont get buffed at night though
so something diurnal would be made better during its time than dilo would be during the night.
barren zephyr
but doesent dilo have venom(will have) and doesent it see farther then others at night
sure they arent buffs but help it at night
and the creature i mentioned would lose said buffs with the time of day
indigo sun
you'd probably have to come back with some ideas for what it could be, cause I can't imagine anything that would be more specifically diurnal than the current diurnal creatures
barren zephyr
reptile maybe
valid zephyr
yep I like the idea of some water herbis to round out the semi aquatic ecosystem
indigo sun
semi-aquatic herbivores would be nice. Or have hadrosaurs able to find food in the shallows of lakes and ponds, encouraging them to be closer to water sources
barren zephyr
dilophosaurus has night vision advantage at night
what could be a stat advantage for a day buffed dinosaur
well i guess what i meant was advantage then
indigo sun
dilos also dont get debuffed during the day
barren zephyr
so an advantage to diurnal could be perhaps a better color distinction
perhaps
elaborate?
i meant as it could better distinguinsh colors of players from those of the enviorement, so if something is hidding in the bushes and you pay close attention u might find a shade of reddist brown or black amongs the green, either alerting you to prey or predator
or something else
honnestly gotta think more about it
still think a dino with diurnal advantage would be a cool
night mountain
Have devs said anything about getting more colors btw
That's like the one thing I've seen basically everyone can agree on wanting
barren zephyr
would prefer if smaller dinos kepth the green coloration
viral creek
New colors are confirmed
The skin system hasn't been touched much due to more important matters. We will get more colors, we just don't know when.
barren zephyr
larger and more powerfull creatures would be even more dificult to detect amongst the foliage
also i think weaker dinos would benefit more from it
its just my opinion
lilac swallow
Even if you want to be green, why would they dont add more colours for people who wants other colours
?
night mountain
agreed with the dryo thing its honestly stupid it doesnt have a marker, or the baility to overwrite your old one
they're SO easy to lose
night mountain
Also loving the semi aquatic herbivore thing, adding shallow water plants and doing the classic hadrosaur wading grazing thing (yeah I know its inaccurate) could be fun
indigo sun
may be innaccurate but it could be incorporated into specialized diets and also provide a reason for some herbivores to stick around larger water sources
barren zephyr
i mean sea weed or kelp would be a good but rare food source
blazing charm
Titanoboa seems way too heavy to be an arboreal predator, maybe while it's young. But defiantly not as an adult
barren zephyr
well sucho swims with its thin ass tail so i dont see whats wrong with that
we need arboreal ambush based creatures
granite vigil
blazing charm
What does...Sucho have to do with an Arboreal Titanaboa?
compact coyote
hmmm yes lets compare the titanoboas ability to be in trees to the thickness of suchos tail
barren zephyr
meh was just saying that realism doesn't matter that much
indigo sun
sucho's swimming ability doesnt change a giant snake being too heavy to comfortably fit in a tree
barren zephyr
i guess
neat flicker
@pale hedge The devs have mentioned in the past that a queue based system has been a highly requested feature and they would be working on it in the future, sometime after the recode is finished, just so you know 😉
pale hedge
oH MY GOD thank you for this info
neat flicker
You're welcome 😄
indigo sun
It's apparently been speculated by some paleontologists to have led an aquatic or semi aquatic lifestyle due to it body proportion and "spreading hands," whatever that means
Basically seems to be the best known candidate for an at least semi aquatic animal
barren zephyr
isint there others
marble cove
lurdu would be more fun to play as
indigo sun
probably, but as I said the "best known" candidate, since it seems to be most commonly suggested or discussed when the subject of semi aquatic herbivores is brought up
barren zephyr
what would it do then, becausse we alredy have both para and sucho
indigo sun
sucho isn't a herbivore and para isnt semi aquatic. Some people want more aquatic based herbivores. It could exist similar to a hippo, and graze the beds of lakes or ponds for algae, while also perhaps keeping water safe from deinos so herbivores could nest in the area. If a lurdu was seen in a pond, it could likely mean the pond is safe for herds to nest and relax there
marble cove
lurdusaurus was an iguanodont, not a hadrosaur, which i dont think we dont have an iguanodon yet
and like ptera said, para wasnt semi aquatic and sucho is a carnivore
indigo sun
yes we dont have an iguanodont, so it could definitely fit without being a maia with a thumb spike like iguanodon is often considered
marble cove
^
barren zephyr
@marble cove
The Isle should not rip off BoB
indigo sun
Huh?
compact coyote
i fail to see how adding a dinosaur is ripping another game off
indigo sun
Beasts of bermuda
barren zephyr
Beasts Of Bermuda you color
indigo sun
What?
marble cove
what its an animal, how is adding an animal ripping something off lmao
barren zephyr
Because you basically said everything what lurdu has right now in BoB
indigo sun
Ptera's being added. Thats in BoB
Is that ripping off the spite project that literally steals ideas from this game?
marble cove
what do you mean "everything lurdu has"
barren zephyr
Lurdu has seaweed in BoB...thats why I meant
marble cove
oh my god seaweed
indigo sun
I said algae. Because thats what semo aquatic animals eat.
marble cove
what an original idea
compact coyote
finally, i can make sushi
marble cove
better copyright it
indigo sun
Guess ducks are ripping off BoB too now
barren zephyr
K.
indigo sun
Time to sue them
barren zephyr
K
indigo sun
Dumb argumentm
marble cove
guys i made seaweed no one can use it now
indigo sun
K
barren zephyr
Yup
marble cove
HEY GUYS I HAVE DINOSAURS IN MY GAME NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED TO USE DINOSAURS NOW
indigo sun
Honestly how youre sounding right now mate
barren zephyr
You guys are sounding childish
indigo sun
Guess the isle and BoB cant have rex cause JP used it first
barren zephyr
But ya know
marble cove
good
indigo sun
No, we're pointing out how dumb of an argument youre providing. "X in Y game eats this, putting X in Z game and making it eat something similar is ripping off the game."
indigo sun
Anyway, Lurdu is certainly an interesting idea. It could also possibly be involved in the ecosystem in some way, maybe clearing up algae in a pond causes less fish to spawn there until the algae grows back
Thought you were done. Shoo
Stop reacting and go away if youre not gonna provide a valid argument
marble cove
you know that actually brings a good idea
what if there was some kind of symbiosis between certain herbis and carnis so that carnis dont have the need to kill something on sight for food
indigo sun
i'd love symbiosis. Or at least ecosystem interactions that give carnivores a reason not to senselessly murder things
marble cove
like, if you eat too much algae less fish spawn due to lack of food, but if theres too much algae no fish spawn at all due to lack of oxygen
so something like a spino would let lurdus hang around
brittle bough
id just hope that that wouldnt encourage mixpacking pff
indigo sun
So carnivores like sucho and deino would rely on a lurdu existing nearby to clear up the ponds or lakes
Or maybe not rely
More like, encourage a lurdu population, which would then encourage a larger herbivore population altogether
marble cove
yeah
marble cove
its hard to replicate an ecosystem bc of how delicate they are though, like slate said it might just encourage mixpacking instead
indigo sun
It wasn't thumbed down because it was a herbivore, it was thumbed down because the person thought lurdu eating algae was too similar to beasts of bermuda and would be "ripping off" that game because lurdu eats seaweed in BoB
indigo sun
We said that
barren zephyr
oh
marble cove
yeah, some person started saying that adding a lurdu would rip off bob, because that dino is in the game
barren zephyr
Hey guys we are ripping of BoB because we are getting Pteranodon
finite perch
unfortunately in the isle, pointless arguments are.... most of the arguments 😅
marble cove
might as well remove every game except pong for stealing the moving mechanic
barren zephyr
any ideas how it could work
night mountain
hey guys we're ripping off every dinosaur franchise in the history of mankind since rex is included, better remove it
indigo sun
what, lurdu? or your suggestion
barren zephyr
was refering to dimetrodon
marble cove
idk maybe slap some godlike bleed recovery on it and hope it works
indigo sun
The ability it would have would need to be thought up before making the suggestion. Just saying a dryo-like ability isn't enough. I suppose it would be an interesting addition. However, with only the basic idea of it having it's own mechanic there, there isn't much going for dimetrodon.
night mountain
oh theres one thing
indigo sun
yes?
night mountain
indigo sun
ah yes of course
night mountain
realtalk tho I love the symbiosis thing, fund it
oblique crown
Dimetrodon?
indigo sun
I personally don't see much of a point to it being added though. Unless it added something to the ecosystem and its abilities were more fleshed out, it kinda just seems like a mix between deinosuchus and spinosaurus currently
night mountain
yeah im having trouble thinking of a niche for it
barren zephyr
its sad cause its a cool creature
night mountain
was dimetro even properly associated with water at all
indigo sun
I dont know
Most I remember about it is a photo from my dinosaur book where it was shown around lakes and stuff
night mountain
I also unironically love the arboreal titanoboa thing. If we have bigger trees that'd be RAD. I know not the most realistic thing but thats leagues better than it being a worse deino
marble cove
dont think so, i think people just see the sail and be like "hehe boat lizard"
idk though
indigo sun
there
FUCK
there's nothing about it being semi-aquatic from what I can see. Its sail seems to be currently thought to serve as a way to regulate temperature, which i suppose might be neat
indigo sun
it seems to have fed on fish, reptiles, and amphibians. which might point to a water-based lifestyle, or at least a water-centered lifestyle
barren zephyr
what about metabolisim based on rather its day or night
indigo sun
I'm not sure. Perhaps, but I dont know how that'd benefit them.
night mountain
God all I want in this entire game is pelagornis to be good at harassing anything it wants
indigo sun
@brittle merlin beelzebufo is too small, unfortunately, to be anything but ai for juvies to munch on. Though it would provide good ambience to swamps as ai that spawns there
night mountain
make beezle like deino where it grows forever lmao
brittle merlin
oh, I just looked it up... never knew they where so small, I just thought of the ones from ark =/
blazing charm
Never trust Ark
indigo sun
It's certainly an interesting idea to add them in general, but they're too small to be playables
brittle merlin
a frog the size of the ones in ark could be lots of fun though
blazing charm
Honestly, giant strain frogs kinda sound fun
marble cove
actually they would be cool to have/play as, they could eat the flies that fly around corpses
blazing charm
Okay, then what?
indigo sun
Better off as a swamp-based ai
blazing charm
You hop around, swim a little, eat flies and then get eaten yourself.
brittle merlin
imagine jumped over like an entire lake and snatching a juvi with your tounge
and you have to like actually aim your tounge
indigo sun
Theyre only about up to a person's ankle. Even twice the size, its still too small unfortunately. Perhaps if you're looking for an amphibian to add, Koolasuchus is an interesting idea.
Or cyclotosaurus
blazing charm
Honestly, I'd love Koolasuchus but I cannot think of an idea.
Though I can't say I tried very hard.
indigo sun
I'll do some research tomorrow and see if I can come up with anything for it
mellow maple
Y'all are afraid of rex dabbing, don't lie to me SMH
indigo sun
No, it just doesnt fit in this game.
blazing charm
K so, it's just a joke suggestion?
hallow vigil
@mellow maple no joke suggestions
brittle merlin
I really like that pelagornis idea and hope they add something with a play style like that even if it isn't pelagornis
and if they do add pelagornis it should be able to sit on top of water like a duck too
crimson phoenix
going through the suggestions about water critters gave me hard flashbacks to walking with dinosaurs and I remembered koolasuchus, if they added it all it would be is a weaker deinosuchos but I would love swimming around in ponds as a giant murder salamander
indigo sun
I'm actually thinking up a proper suggestion for koolasuchus right now
I'll go over it tomorrow and post it. If you've got any ideas, I'd love to hear yhem
*them
still temple
Amphibians would pretty much be confined to one water source tho
brittle merlin
I like the idea that they have to keep themselves wet or their skin will dry out since they are amphibians, also the ability to nest underwater
still temple
Since they’ll dry out
brittle merlin
well they can go a while out of the water, just need to refresh their moisture every now and then
indigo sun
My main thought was they'd feed on shellfish and the smaller ai. I was thinking perhaps a burrowing mechanic but not like dryo's. More covering itself with mud to hide than anything.
blazing charm
@indigo sun Feel free to send them my way in PMs
indigo sun
I'll pm you once the full thing is done for you to read over
shell willow
They aren't completely confined, they just have something else about them.. like.. they can be out of water for a time but they have to travel either along a river or fast
crimson phoenix
maybe koolasuchus and other amphibians could be ai, to make water a little more dangerous
brittle merlin
could give them bad stam on land but their sprint is really fast
kinda like modern alligators, can't run long but they are surprisingly fast
indigo sun
I figured they could be kinda fast, considering theyre pretty small
barren zephyr
Continuation from Pachy [Pachycephalosaurs] idea; Also have it so you can keep the charge Hold down ramp up part and turn around in stationary spot as you 'aim' before letting go and rampaging in said direction. Could also be used as an Intimidation.
night mountain
To keep if from just being a bad deino make it like, a river ambush predator
maybe it can like do one underwater burrow like dryo in a riverbank
maybe a suction feeding thing like most aquatic amphibians do, sit there and anything small that comes close gets sucked in
indigo sun
Ooh thats a neat idea
viral creek
I had a cool ability ideas for pachy aswell
barren zephyr
Crocs dont male underwater burrows tho....?
I am confused on what you are trying to sell
indigo sun
Yes I believe that was the point. Make it unlike deino by allowing it to sort of burrow into riverbanks to ambush prey, instead of ambushing from water.
Koolasuchus was a salamander, not a crocodile
barren zephyr
He said Deino
indigo sun
"To keep it from being just a bad deino" talking about how to make it different from deino
indigo sun
We've been talking about koolasuchus for a good while. Contexg already existed, as I had asked for possibly suggestions to make koolasuchus unique
barren zephyr
Well i didnt see anything on it as far as recent talk
indigo sun
And it was established that koolasuchus could be considered a smaller, amphibious deino
barren zephyr
and nothing on it #general-feedback
night mountain
wat
indigo sun
Just fuckin read back. We were discussing possible suggestions for water-based creatures. People had been making suggestions for them, and I reccommended koolasuchus, then we discussed how to make it unique
barren zephyr
So youre necro posting an idea?
night mountain
not sure right now if I'm really high and talking nonsense or not tbh
necro posting
indigo sun
What?
night mountain
WAT
indigo sun
I dont know what that means
night mountain
this isn't a forum you cant even necro post
barren zephyr
Yeah okay whatever
indigo sun
Are you seriously arguing with me over an idea for a suggestion?
barren zephyr
Continue
indigo sun
Like, really?
barren zephyr
just go ahead and continue
night mountain
ptera necroposting is like on old forums when someone digs up a thread from years ago thats old an irrelevant lol
indigo sun
they were explaining something to me jesus fucking christ
barren zephyr
I GET THAT
indigo sun
Man, everyone's just deciding to be dicks today
night mountain
barren zephyr
I just wanna move on FFS
indigo sun
I'm not arguing. Have a good night. I've collected a good amount of info for my suggestion. If anyone's got anything else, just pm me
jovial saddle
Wtf happened here
indigo sun
I dont know. Same bullshit as before. Nighty night
night mountain
Everyone was arguing if koolasuchus had nipples or not, people are pretty passionate on both sides, that's all.
barren zephyr
nipples? what?
barren zephyr
paper oriole
maia milk
blazing charm
NOT AGAIN
shell willow
NOOO
marble cove
on the topic of the koolasuchus, you could probably switch water sources during rain
and not lose moisture during rain
blazing charm
perish
granite vigil
not until you make the doc
night mountain
oh yeah give maia udders for sure
with the same extreme jiggle animations deino has rn
oh moisture meter for koola sounds cool im into that
would be neat if it was the one animal that could smell during rain too
paper oriole
what about the fire breathing para, can we get that in the same patch as maia milk?
edgy furnace
Maia milk
edgy furnace
”and you can extract the milk from a dead Maia”
paper oriole
if you are hit by the para fire you suffer a mild diarrhea
will the maia moan as it is milked
edgy furnace
Yes
inner valley
night mountain
the raptor thing is kinda happening with them getting the pounce ability soonish
granted velo wouldn't be life threatening to a human you could just kinda stomp it to death
would probably get a few good cuts but whatever
deep bolt
some serious lacerations
lilac swallow
What server was that?
exotic dove
official
crystal minnow
@cobalt summit
I cant imagine that you can fall asleep while being hurt and bleeding out. Rather i think you would pass out.
Also i dont agree that sleep should support being afk (loosing less food and water). I mean you are on a server to play the game and interact with players, and not to sleep and occupy a player slot afk sleeping.
Talking about affinity,it should reward the active players not the sleeping ones.
barren zephyr
dino sickness sounds awesome
stray cloak
@crystal minnow it wouldn't support being afk so much as buy time while starving by doing something that would help to conserve calories.
barren zephyr
Tooth one part I don’t agree if a dryo and a galli is able to reset your timers besides utah can and dilo or higher such as diablo and para though
lament spoke
That's why you need that minimum damage threshold. So something very small can't reset your timer
But even if you're a rex and you get bit by a dilo. That's a lot for bleed and you shouldn't be able to log from that
One bite from a Utah may not start the reset but if they can get a few it then it might start to
random knoll
Images trying to log out to go eat and having pesky utahs keep nipping you
And causing noise which attracts shit
lament spoke
Then you gotta kill the utahs or try to get away
random knoll
So as an adult rex I should ru; away from utahs which you can’t
lament spoke
But it should be a pretty generous threshold
random knoll
Yeah
I don’t want some lil shit utha keeping me from logging because he nipped me a few times
lament spoke
But you shouldn't be able to be fighting dilos for 10 minutes, on second screen and be able to log
random knoll
Hmm
lament spoke
Cause that's pretty bs to me honestly
indigo sun
If you cant kill what youre hunting in under a minute, might i recommend hunting something else, cause why should a player be stuck in game because some dick utahs they cant catch wont leave them alone?
lament spoke
Well dilos can't kill a rex in under a minute by biting it
Utahs can't either but you can kill rexes with utahs
Plus like I said there could be a damage threshold that needs to be met before the timer will start restartibg
crystal minnow
Depends of the pack size
cyan flame
I feel like it would be hard to figure out where the threshold should be, and really, most things don't need one, they're either strong enough to finish someone off on their own, or plenty enough to make up that strength anyway, in which case the pack fulfills that role.
lament spoke
So do you think there should be a small one. To prevent the juvi example I gave? Or just if the small thing attacks you just kill it?
Erik
cyan flame
I don't know Tooth, hence why I said I think it would be hard to figure out how to do it, to avoid a single/small group, but allow a sufficiently large one, and I'm not sure a threshold is needed, is it common to try and just go all in with the pack when someone tries to log, or is it most often just one or two that keeps nibbling?
lament spoke
Originally I didn't want the threshold but I added that idea to see if people would want that. Honestly I'm in the boat that if it's something small pestering you then you can very easy kill it most likely. But generally in my hunting groups if we think something is logging a few members try to get more bites in to see if it is
But like rex can just sit down and log out and dilos can't do anything about it
Same with utahs
cyan flame
You could, got 7-8 dilos all biting at the same time, then you'd probably kill the rex before it can log, even with only about 20 seconds to do it. Less if the dilos bitespeed is still faster than average.
lament spoke
The issue is idk if you can fit that many dilos on the body without biting each other
But the danger of that is that if the rex isn't sitting but just standing. Then he can just alt turn and kill everything. That's why people don't want to go all in when something seems to be logging
barren zephyr
Alt turn is useful and it should stay ingame as a mechanic
crystal minnow
@stray cloak so you think you have more success getting food sitti g on your ass waiting and slowly starving instead of actively looking for food?
-maybe a "death-adrenalin" scent or stamina buff would be more beneficial against avoiding starvation.
cyan flame
Suppose that's the risk to take if you really want it dead Tooth. I don't really know, I personally don't think bleed being DoT is a good mechanic, I much preferred it when bleed didn't kill at all, that would help with making defenders a bit more willing to stay and fight. You could even make the health going down differently depending on the bleed level, and of course, we never did get that "limping on low health" so we don't know how it would have worked out.. :p
lament spoke
All I want is something to prevent combat logging. I hope the devs have some idea on how to make that happen
cyan flame
Well, technically we don't have combatlogging, that's when you go poof directly from the game, and that was solved a long time ago, since you now stay ingame for five minutes if you crash or otherwise try to just get out. Beyond that, I don't know, it seems solutions are hard to come by, at least working solutions :p But really, it's not an issue currently, what with how AI currently is, no one can complain anyway, you're not liable to starve even if you try ^^
stray cloak
@crystal minnow waiting can work, and real world stuff does it too. Saving your energy and calories by waiting for something to come bye, maybe wake you with it's noise
Like ai spawn or an unlucky smaller/weaker dino
indigo sun
please stay on topic for the channel youre in
torpid wedge
gaunt parcel
@pulsar lake one problem with AI spawning is that sometimes you might be too slow or too weak to catch it in time (since sometimes AI doesn't spawn)
but your suggestion is very good
(with in time meaning before you begin starving as i, as a juvie allo ran back and forth around an ava for 15 minutes, finishing my stamina and on first screen from starving)
blazing charm
@barren zephyr Postosuchus needs some kind of unique mechanics/playstyle in order to be considered playable, otherwise it'd just be good for an AI
barren zephyr
spose so 😃
stray cloak
@barren zephyr a close relative of it, Rauisuchus, was planned last i heard
barren zephyr
neat
indigo sun
rauisuchus exists but we havent heard anything about it
stray cloak
We've seen a very unfinished model and a note on essentially a to-do list
hallow vigil
to add to tooth's suggestion, dilos have a lot of rex-killing potential, but due to the way bleed works, a rex can log out and tank tons of dilo bites just fine as long as they rest while the timer goes down. This is because:
dilos do little raw damage (for a rex), and mostly bleed
bleed cannot kill you if you rest, its also just slow at killing apexes in general prob
The threshold for damage would have to be fine-tuned though, like tooth said, it would be silly to have 1 utah or 1 dryo keep a rex from logging out. They would just run in, bite once, rush out before the rex can get them since they're very agile, and stalk the rex until they log again and repeat
what if it was like
a percentage of your max hp in damage
like if you have 1000 HP, someone would need to do 100 raw damage or 100 bleed? could tweak it even further and make it 100 raw and 50 bleed
just a rough idea, i havent ironed it out yet so theres prob a lot of issues with it
could even change the amounts based on what damage screen ur on maybe (credit 2 tooth for that one lel)
barren zephyr
I agree with you Blockomaniac someone doesn’t pressure you or attacks you for awhile you shouldn’t be able to log out and but some things such as dryo and galli would br harder and but someone trying their hardest to kill a something and they just combat logs is cheap
hallow vigil
oh also bone break could be a thing too maybe, not sure what but its worth considering if we explore this idea
yea
vestal rune
well there are a couple ways of solving that problem without disabling logging
you could adjust the amount each dino is left with after bleed so the appropiate forces can take it out with raw damage while it's sitting, (so let's say, high enough so 2-3 dillos can kill that rex but no low enough that a dryo could potentially do it)
or you could make it deal bonus damage if you're sitting down and/or you're at that health level while bleeding
cyan flame
Most things could already if you're down at resting required level, that's 10% at most, of your health.
vestal rune
ye
combat logging isn't really a big issue
but I can understand why a dilo pair or pack would be annoyed if a rex could just logoff on them
lament spoke
It happens a lot honestly on dilos especially
barren zephyr
And utahs
lament spoke
Because they don't have the raw to kill a rex sitting
vestal rune
ye, I think it's mostly a problem with dillos because low raw + high bleed
cyan flame
Well, utahs will eventually get their pounce, no telling how that will then play out
barren zephyr
Yesterday i had 6 rexes combat logged as a utah pack
vestal rune
ye but like erik said, pouncing
also tbh I'd expect a utah to be hunting in larger groups anyway
cyan flame
I imagine pouncing will be the main killer for utahs at least, and not killing by "nipping" at things not their own size, hell, even things their own size might get that pin and kill move or something, which would be cool
As for the dilo, it's an issue cause of the bleed, but then that could be solved by making bleed more.. interactive too. I'm not sure having DoT is a good idea to begin with to be honest, much less like how it is right now :p
lament spoke
That's a whole other suggestion topic
cyan flame
True :p Still, it's a point
But thresholds and all that is an issue, more so since I doubt we'll all agree on how much damage/x numbers should be needed or not, someone mentioned 3 dilos, I figure you'd need at least 7-9 dilos :p
vestal rune
realistically I'd expect something larger like 5-6 because they're not really suited to hunting a rex
lament spoke
You could kill a rex with one dilo. It's really hard. And probably gotta do it at night but it's possible
That's part of figuring out that threshold
vestal rune
but if 3 dillos want to take a crack at it a rex shouldn't have the easy option of just logging
hallow vigil
i heard you need 9 dilo bites on a rex (and keep it standing) to kill it with bleed
lament spoke
^
hallow vigil
idk for certain but it wouldnt surprise me
barren zephyr
Really nine bites for dilo all it just need that is ridiculous
lament spoke
1 dilo shouldn't be able to keep a rex from logging though either realistically
stray cloak
Dilo is getting changed to a different dot, poison, last we heard
My assumption is that it will be similar to bleed but subject to different multipliers than bleed when body part damage is added. Maybe bleed will do less on certain parts while poison will be universal
cyan flame
Huh, that's new..
vestal rune
is it?
stray cloak
Old really
vestal rune
dilo was always planned to have poison
cyan flame
Dilo venom was supposed to just be bleed enhancer, nothing else, so not sure if they've changed or not
And yes, that I know Fire, just meant the effect
stray cloak
High bleed on dilo right now is a standin for a to-do mechanic
vestal rune
I think they constantly change what venom is lol
like I remember them saying that bleed will just become a tracking tool and then dilo's venom will be the only DoT
stray cloak
Irl, yeah, dilo was a bleeder, but they like to take artistic liberties, and that's one of them
vestal rune
but that's what you'd expect from something like that
they don't know what it'll be untill they actually add it
cyan flame
Yeah, that was one idea, and then we had the bleed not killing at all, but 10% health, but then we didn't get the limp so carnos just ran around forever xD
hallow vigil
in an ask a dev punch said dilo already had venom, a bleed thinner. But I think dondi also said it didnt have venom (cuz everyone knows right now it just has a bunch of bleed damage)
vestal rune
ye honestly I just wouldn't make a prediction involving venom, it constantly changes and may not even be added
cyan flame
Speaking of suggestions, I agree with the "stop drinking when full" thing. Can we please have that since we have "stop eating when full".. :p
stray cloak
Poison is an additional damage type dondi had mentioned numerous times, from food, water, dinos, etc.
Yes PLEASE
They don't show you the 80-100%, but they also don't let you know when you're done
vestal rune
I always thought that while playing but never got around to actually suggesting it lol
grand brook
using weights that will be obsolete with the combat overhaul
stray cloak
Austro isn't survival yet anyways
In all likelihood, it'll be a faster, lighter version Utah when it's done
prisma lily
won’t scoreboards result in targeting? personal record keeping would be nice, but the chaos of a leaderboard would be too much i think.
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr
trike would be legit shredding
with stabs
not just holes
yeh, i 'm not good with my words, they just slip away a lot, and i get a lot of ideas, so i try to only write the ones i think are useful
brittle bough
details aside i think its a neat idea, bonus points if there are distinctive marks and generic marks, like the current lacerations system to indicate damage that goes away as one heals, but also distinctive marks remaining as battlescars if one survives the encounter
at least for the ones that puncture, as opposed to para/galli/maia/etc smacks that would probably just be welts/bruises and not last as scars lol
im not sure if locational damage will also mean locational lacerations, but if so something similar could be done for distinct marks, say- one preset distinct mark that can appear on each location depending on where the thing hit them (so a dilo bites your leg and the dilo mark appears on your leg, dilo bites your tail and the dilo mark appears on your tail, etc.)
barren zephyr
I know people say apexes are too op. , but in a fight that's polar bear vs. dog, the polar bear is just gonna come out on top.
There are work arounds through: coordination, planning, strategic fighting and knowing your niche within the ecosystem. I like the size gap, I enjoy the challenge when I choose to fight the top tiers.
Not sure how the finished product of this game is gonna be but I think the figurative "declawing the cat" would be pretty lame if brought to the scale of dinosaurs.
I rather people learn to play their build rather than ask other builds to lower their bars.
paper oriole
apexes arent op, there's just too damn many because they're too easy to grow
steady cosmos
Thats a large lie right there
cobalt summit
Because you have a few second window to run
cobalt summit
Leg break means game over
indigo sun
you've got no chance. Every mid tier gets practically evaporated by giga because it's got such high bleed and a high bite force
barren zephyr
gotta rest to
indigo sun
plus giga has a higher chance of running after you because it doesnt need to sit to regen stam\
cobalt summit
I’ve survived way more encounters vs giga than vs rex
cobalt summit
And the simple fact is the first bite
cobalt summit
I’m gonna ignore monster for a sec to continue the conversation
paper oriole
🍿
barren zephyr
bruh
steady cosmos
Lol Zero thats heavy fuckin bait
barren zephyr
it is
steady cosmos
Thats not a way to discuss
barren zephyr
i'm gonna drop off now
cobalt summit
Let’s talk allo, where you can survive one hit from each
Because everything else is obviously game over for both vs Rex and vs Giga
Allo has much, much more stam than giga. If you’re getting jumped by a giga, then you’d also get jumped by a Rex, which is fast enough to catch you easier. Let’s assume they get the first bite in. If you’re playing near woods and with other allos, as you should be as an allo, you sprint your ass over to the woods and hide. You heal the bleed off while your pack distracts the giga, and you live. It’s a tried and true tactic.
Rex hits you once and you have no chance of running to hide because you limp at half a mile an hour. Doesn’t matter where you are or who you’re with.
steady cosmos
a giga is going to fuck your pack up
languid ember
you know if that giga has half a brain he won't give two shits about your packmates and still trot after your allo
steady cosmos
A rex wont any where near as bad
seeing as if it wastes its stam it will quickly lose its advantage
also what kev said
lel
cobalt summit
Yeah, if you pick a fight with that giga, it’s gonna be a harder fight because of turn radius, but for the most part assuming solo apex vs 5+ allos, they’re gonna stay still and turn, not run after you.
cobalt summit
If they run it’s free pickings for the rest of your pack
Until collision is added, of course
steady cosmos
And you cant really escape the trot speed if you are trying to heal off bleed
also thats not how giga works lel
cobalt summit
That’s where biomes come in
steady cosmos
Giga can pretty easily grab people if they run through for bites
Biomes have barely any reason to be in this discussion lel
cobalt summit
If the giga is moving and you’ve got a good handle on Allo and you’re properly patient, it’s just as feasible to get a bite in on the giga as the rex
Biomes are important because of healing bleed
cobalt summit
Dense forest is your friend and if your pack is teasing the giga, it’s gonna try to get as many bites on as many of them as possible, 4/5 times
Almost always it assumes you’ll run and bleed yourself out, and does not chase if you vanish into a tree to sit off your heal
steady cosmos
A giga will trot you the fuck down if it sees it hit you
and it will kill you
ya pack members aint doing shit against that
barren zephyr
Giga's alt turn is gonna die of laughter to that
cobalt summit
If it thinks it can hit everyone else running at it, most of the time it leaves you for dead
barren zephyr
now im off
cobalt summit
If you go in solo yeah a Rex is your best bet, but you can afford way less mistakes with a Rex than a giga
cobalt summit
Plenty of times
steady cosmos
doubtful
cobalt summit
Both scenarios
jovial saddle
cobalt summit
Giga requires more narrow timing, yeah
But you aren’t doomed if you get bit once and you’re working with a good group
barren zephyr
I'm a giga main. Soparia has a point. It isnt impossible to avoid a giga bite when you're in a pack. They can only bite so fast and their sprint isnt godly.
steady cosmos
Hey, im just saying
barren zephyr
Plus allo bleed will still stack up
steady cosmos
If you've ever seen a rex catch someone coming out of them after a hit and run bite
cobalt summit
And mainly, as it is, giga is meant to hunt mid tiers, whereas Rex is built to destroy other apexes
steady cosmos
giga does it better
barren zephyr
That giga will have no choice but to get distracted
cobalt summit
You can’t run through a giga
steady cosmos
Yes you can?
cobalt summit
You gotta nip its tail and not pass its back legs, and only go in when the giga is going after someone else
barren zephyr
True
cobalt summit
If you run through a giga, you’re gonna get your ass bit
barren zephyr
Face attacks wont work.as it stands the splash attack from a giga bite is pretty wonky
cobalt summit
I was assuming we were talking “your average giga vs a pack of something that knows what it’s doing”
New kids will make that mistake all the time, I still make that mistake sometimes
steady cosmos
"pack of something that knows what it's doing" is a hard thing to find
and giga still fucks em up
barren zephyr
Everyone I've ever seen in a fight immediately tries to go for the back side
Even in chaotic death matches filled with noobs. Everyone goes for the butt lol
ruby jacinth
Without locational damage it's the most optimal spot for attacking
Unless you're fighting a stego or anky
pulsar lake
Neck, leg and back will be the more important location I think
After head of some dino will be
barren zephyr
So some tactics will transfer over. But I am itching to see what a bite to the neck will do
pulsar lake
I hope it will do a paralizy and I don't hope it
cobalt summit
Boi I can’t wait until the hitboxes are fixed and you can sprint a Utah under an apex snout and go for the belly
Apexes will have a much harder time hunting when their hitboxes are accurate
barren zephyr
Really?!
barren zephyr
Just rexes?
ruby jacinth
All dinos I think
barren zephyr
Niiiiice
shell willow
I want to be a mother just to run over and kill my children
ruby jacinth
It's a general mechanic
barren zephyr
Trikes are truly gonna be tanks now. They're straight up designed to protect against neck and head attacks
I hardly know how to tackle them now
I wanna see a rex straight up kick a utah
and break all its bones
and hear a loud crack
barren zephyr
Maybe put a link or section dedicated to showing each dino's stats and so on. Maybe even some lore or information related to the dino. Who would like this?
indigo sun
@barren zephyr what would have bioluminescence
blazing charm
bioluminescence would be so useless
It screams "Hey, look at me, come eat me!" because you wouldn't be able to hide.
indigo sun
Bioluminescence works in the wild because animals can trick other animals. But these are people playing, and they would only see it as a food opportunity. It wouldnt work like how it does irl.
outer nebula
bioluminescence only is found in species that need it to hunt. such as the animals in the deepest parts of the ocean. animals that have contact with natural light like the sun dont really need it
indigo sun
Above water, bioluminescense is only found in fireflies, click beetles, mycetophilid flies, and a few other insect-like things, and fungus. None of the creatures with the possibility of making it into the game could have the adaptation for bioluminescence as it doesnt benefit them in any way.
outer nebula
yup
night mountain
bioluminescent lures in game would only work if there were also common food sources that were glowing too, otherwise its nothing but a MASSIVE liability
night mountain
lol
limpid dove
but to be fair, neuro spino has defense mechanisms. even though they're said to be "soft and squishy like a jellyfish," they still have ways to defend themselves from predators.
not sure if that's still in hand, the soft and squishy part, but. yeah
night mountain
Honestly neuro spino makes me laugh because any calls for realism gets thrown out the window at "but there's an eyeless psychic dinosaur that liquifies other dinosaurs and also controls the weather"
limpid dove
^ but also at the same time, neuro was made
night mountain
Weren't ALL the dinosaurs made though
limpid dove
i get all the other dinos like rex/giga etc were too, but, neuro is more or less a spinoff experiment whereas the mercs tried to do an accurate replica or whatever
yes
night mountain
give rex miniguns for arms
limpid dove
¯_(ツ)_/¯
barren zephyr
The only way I could see bioluminescence working is if they have it to some sort of ai. They could then give it to a carnivore that uses it to attract prey by making them think that they are food. Even then I doubt it would work well.
cedar echo
i dunno if bioluminescence should be on normal dinos. like, i could see it being on a neuro maybe but i dunno. . .
shell willow
things like neuro spino can get away with bioluminescence because it can fuck with your head in other ways iirc... as long as it has other defenses that doesn't make it an easy target because "ooo shiny" then I don't see a problem
cedar echo
yeah exactly
shell willow
but because I'm a dumbass even if I knew it was a predator I'd walk right into its mouth like "ooh.... shiney"
shell willow
never EVER overestimate my people, we are a kind but unintelligent folk
cedar echo
lol rip
brittle bough
bioluminescence consideration: blinking lights that look like eyes in nightvision + a fucked up roar = make someone think theres more dinosaurs than there really are
shell willow
neuro defense mechanism pls^
white torrent
It could also be used to temporarily blind a pred
Iiie@turning on NV in the middle of the day
compact anvil
uhh why can i not diconnect to nycta 3?
lament spoke
@compact anvil not the place to ask that. Better to ask in #401470471750811669 or in the nycta discord
Or even #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧
Best place is the nycta discord
grand brook
@ocean vortex rex and gigas attack range is already broken by it's buggy ass hitboxes, and now you want to give them more range?
delicate depot
trample damage no pls
pulsar lake
It's logic than a sub rex walk and kill on a little juvi or psitta/oro
But no op
Not op damage like cama
Something with collision
barren zephyr
Can you imagine all the babies being trampled by their parent. That would be hilarious!
delicate depot
You've got a baby and he accidentally walks under you
pulsar lake
So it's sad but life :^)
brittle bough
ive played a game where trample damage is a thing, my most terrifying experience was when i conveniently spawned in the path of a mass full-speed maia migration
i have also accidentally stepped on my baby as a trike in that game right after defending both babies from a rex, feels bad
the biggest issue is people who dont know about trample damage and keep waddling in front of you lol
umbral prairie
I do think trample damage should be a thing, but less raw damage (unless you actually get under a foot, which isn't very likely, you will mostly get kicked by a leg or rammed) and more shoving/pushing things aside and possibly making them fall on the ground, with (depending on what hits you) a slight bb chance, some damage and some time you need to stand up again. of course not the current bb, but maybe a fracture. maybe trample could be disabled for your own hatchlings or for hatchlings in general so the bored galli in the herd doesn't accidentally kill 20 babies
brittle bough
given the time spent as a hatchling is fairly short and hatchlings are pretty harmless id imagine making them immune to trample damage wouldnt break much, sometimes you literally can not see the damn things so thered be a lot of anger over accidentally trondling over them lol
cyan flame
On the other hand, cause of that short amount and the fact that they should probably stay somewhere to avoid being nommed by a velo anyway, not sure that's needed. It could encourage some thinking over where to place the nest/"keep" the kid I guess, if they can die to trample, and with collision, you'd not have to be on top of them to defend, since the evil raptor won't just be able to run through you anyway?
umbral prairie
maybe once you cannot sit inside a nest and actually sit on it the hatchlings could be more visible
and people just try to avoid nests
pulsar lake
Yeah it's more like you say @umbral prairie, if you get under a foot you get some damage.
jovial blade
I just dont want it to be like cama
Mid tiers insta die coming near cama lol
I'd just hope the trample isnt that strong so mid tiers can still hunt stuff with trample
umbral prairie
nah not like that, but some form of it when we have dino collision
cyan flame
Would depend on the size/weight differences I'd guess Pj, Cama is a big and heavy thing, figures most things would be bowled over, even if it's ingame size is.. tiny xD
brittle bough
looking at the one game i played with trample (which had things like giraffatitan and diplodocus, fully equipped with trample as well as a tail whip attack,) its at least more fun to play as the Big Things because they arent wholly reliant on either a stomp that takes too long to use or a tail whip that smart people will avoid, and people wont just stand under you and bite your leg because theyll just get trampled, so by god they have to actually strategize
that can make giants a bit hard to put a stop to though if they choose to be assholes lol, but unlike that game TI servers have rules so itd probably be less of an issue
umbral prairie
yeah cama should be able to push every survival dino, but not not kill them because they stood next to one of its legs
what game is that
brittle bough
era of terror on roblox, a bit shite but its a suitable isle knockoff for lads with 2gb of ram lol
umbral prairie
ah that game
I always imagined it to basically be archotek on roblox, is it actually like that or is there more/less stuff you can do
brittle bough
havent seen archotek, lemme peep it real quick
umbral prairie
was another game being developed for a quick cash grab, and when enough people bought it the devs abandoned it and made it available for free
I think deathly even worked on it a bit, but I'm not sure, might just be a made up rumor to make deathly even worse than he is
brittle bough
its still $4.99 on steam lul
brittle bough
theres a free demo
umbral prairie
yeah the demo is the same as the 'full' game
brittle bough
pfffff
umbral prairie
is this a case for a <@&401466542140817419>
pulsar lake
An answer.
torn thistle
@analog berry No advertising.
barren zephyr
@brittle bough
it is NOT a the isle knockoff
#401510382981742593 by the way
i swear to god
brittle bough
that conversation was done with but thanks i guess
barren zephyr
every fucking goddamn dinosaur game
on the internet
is 100% the isle knock off
i am done with that retarded logic
brittle bough
i meant it more as in "the gameplay is similar" not "tHeyRe SteALING the IslE" but pop off
barren zephyr
You cant defend yourself
you literally 100% said "knock off"
its already saying its a copy or trying to copy it
Maybe you should know what "knock-off" stands for
if you replaced that with something else
i wouldnt mind
vestal rune
holy shit calm down
brittle bough
i dont share your violent, angry passion over this roblox game so sure, youre right about the meaning of the words i said if it makes you feel better, era of terror is not a copy of the isle
vestal rune
he just meant that it had similar gameplay, and if you absolutely couldn't run the isle then that was another option
vestal rune
and tbh you can use knock-off in that manner, problem is it implies that the isle is the first
brittle bough
youre doing so very angrily and passionately
brittle bough
well generally when i get upset over something its because im passionate about it to some extent 🤷
barren zephyr
doesnt mean everyone is
anyways point was made next time use different wording and check their meanings
vestal rune
I think his use there was fine
vestal rune
may have slightly iffy implications but for his purpose it works, and it was just casual conversation so the implications don't matter
barren zephyr
knock off is pretty negative on its own
it is like you are saying the game is blatantly copying one another
vestal rune
that's not what knock off means?