general-feedback-discussion

[brittle bough]

i presume many people underestimate them, like "oh its just a shittier trike, i may as well be trike"

[cyan flame]

Huh, maybe the servers I've been on has more of them, every time Ive been nested as herbi, there were dibbles there

Now paras on the other hand :/

[shell willow]

I do phenomenally better as a dibble than I do with trike

idk

[barren zephyr]

@fading shadow so you rather see a bunch of kids playing apexes? I dont mind putting some effort to unlock the strongest beefiest motherfucker in-game. Apex doesnt feel right. Seeing one is boring now, playing as one doesnt feel rewarding cuz its not challangeing to get there

[cyan flame]

Didn't we just go through this.. xD

[bitter trench]

Thank you for saying my suggestion was amazing

[finite perch]

Having to unlock apexes through a specific and sometimes difficult task, especially for someone who just got the game, seems like a quick way to get people to uninstall. i prefer the suggestion of 1 life per tier to unlock apex.

[lilac swallow]

Imagine thinking that growing apex in the future when ai doesnt spawn Next to you and your apex cant feed only with ai isnt enought work for playing it

[barren zephyr]

We will see

[night mountain]

so uh

whats your plan for how nesting in would work as apex

[deep bolt]

tbh it would depend from server to server....... for example Oros of the ISle a new server branch I am currently developing dinosaur profiles as it is a semi relaism server.....based on stats and a wee bit of research we decided apexes wont pair on the sever....the only time they pair is to do the 'becky smash' and leave

As right now apexes interpreted in the isle be whether they are correct or wrong are powerful

so if in oros the apex isnt smart and goes against a trike and lsle well thats their problem....we also thought it may make apex players slightly less cocky

[valid zephyr]

@deep notch bleed used to work even while sitting. It was removed as it's not fun to win a fight then just sit for 10 mins until you die.

it sucks from a gameplay perspective

[deep notch]

Thats why i suggested if its added only give it to dinosaurs in low numbers, so it'll only kill you if you're like 4th screen

[night mountain]

Honestly I LOVE the titanoboa suggestion

[edgy furnace]

^

[mellow fox]

Thank you 😊

[jovial saddle]

Ditto

[leaden night]

No

Nice suggestion

[mellow fox]

Anything you guys want to add or discuss? I thought 1.6 tons are a nice middle ground number, as I would imagine Titan being 1.8-2.0

And snakes have the capability of overpowering similar sized prey. But I am up for negotiating the exact number

[prisma lily]

using weight may not be entirely future-proofed, perhaps size-classes (height/width) would help it more, as rule of thumb for modern constrictors is they typically prey upon animals about as wide as their own widest point. cuz i’m imagining weight will not be to scale still of the dinos we see.

aaand i dunno, tree climbing alone as a mechanic sounds really neat but really difficult to implement in a usable way without pre-designed climbing animations and set climbable trees, as i’ve seen how tricky the mesh for it could be in other games, and having a legless reptile like the titan climb in a sensible way would be hard to design organically.

so, if it were to have a custom climbing animation and designated trees it could climb and hunt from, players could learn to spot it, but it would still make for a really neat trap to have to navigate away from and recognize.

[mellow fox]

Indeed

The widest girth is a myth though

[grand brook]

horsekick para

i like it

[mellow fox]

Idiotic ball python keepers say that. Constrictor species are capable of and are willing to hunt prey 2-3 times wider than their thickest part

But I feel you, maybe it should be based on body shape, not weight

[grand brook]

i do really like your idea of arboreal titanoboa, but could such a massive snake even climb a tree?

[mellow fox]

Well

Retics are semi-arboreal

[grand brook]

i've seen climbing anacondas, boas, pythons... but this is a super large snek

[mellow fox]

And they are 6-8 meters and 80kg at their peek

Physically speaking, Titanoboa could only exist in water

But since the isle isn't meant to be 100% accurate. I feel it could be believable

[grand brook]

maybe in trees large enough to hold it

[unique shell]

okay wy is it when some one loses conection

there dino still there but they have to wait till some one leaves agian

cant there be a system that keeps the spot for the player

until the dino is gone?

[barren zephyr]

Hello

Any one on

[umbral prairie]

why are you asking here

go to #401464048610312195

probably the most active channel

[oblique crown]

Yes, wipe server

[indigo sun]

@lone pagoda Since these dinosaurs are being experimented on, I imagine the scientists would leave very little that could interfere with a clean testing environment, possibly birds, but there's also the fact that current animals would be next to useless in comparison to these dinosaurs. Even as ai, theyre infinitely smaller and I imagine proper ai could probably make the island feel more alive. Insects and birds, as well as some amphibians like frogs for juvies to eat would definitely be neat. Wolves and bears just feel out of place and useless in a world of giants

[paper oriole]

i think rodents, frogs, birds and bugs would blend decently but wolves seem a bit big. i know when mods come back the wolf mod will probably return with them anyway

[lone pagoda]

Ah I agree with the wolves and bears now that you said that. But small mammals, bugs, birdd, frogs and fish should not be that bad!

[indigo sun]

little things, yeah. those would be good

[paper oriole]

rodents, frogs and bugs could be a neat thing for juvies or possibly even gallimimus to catch for a tiny bit of supplement, birds on the beach or gore that scatter when you approach

would make the world feel more alive

i mean we can already see and hear gulls near baybrook, wouldnt be too much of a stretch

[lone pagoda]

It literally doesn’t make sense not having things like bugs or rodents, even if it’s a test area

I know there are psittacos, velos and oros but it’s not enough

[paper oriole]

i'd liek to be able to nom the bugs we see by the water as a small dino or galli

and yea the world just seems kinda dead walking around especially as an herbi where nothing spawns (tho the spawning is hopefully gonna be fixed)
nothing but the breeze and trees and occasional invisible bird calling

even if they used stock models for the tiny lizards, rodents, turtles and frogs it'd be a vast improvement

[lone pagoda]

Now that you mention it... turning off the sounds so you can’t hear the birds would probably feel super lonely and weird

Never realised how empty the maps actually are lol

[coarse skiff]

It would be nice, but we'll probably have to wait a bit until devs begin to think about that kind of things

They also could surprise us, but it's far less probable

[paper oriole]

i mean they're adding fish so that's a start, the bodies of water will feel a bit more lively at least, hope they consider such things for the land

[jolly willow]

idk i feel like only deer would fit in as a midtier snack or something

mice/rats are kinda memey but

if herrera gets in him and utah could snack on em idk

[indigo sun]

smaller juveniles could snatch up smaller rodents for a snack to keep from dying if they're in denser forests

[jolly willow]

rats sorta make sense

rats can live p much anywhere

bugs would be cool but unfitting imo

too smal

[indigo sun]

the insects near the rivers would work for gallis to eat, or other small things to eat

they technically already exist, theyre just not edible

[wintry cipher]

just gonna leave this little mental image here: juvie utah jumping and snapping at butterflies

(ive done it. im sure others have. its fun)

[paper oriole]

i do it sometimes lol, if only some day we could actually munch those little flies

[night mountain]

wolves are weird because in the environment that'd mean someone had to specifically intoduce wolves

seabird colonies at the beach tho, that'd be fun

[burnt wasp]

I too think it is empty without without other natural animals it be cool if the sounds you hear is an actual animal...I swear i sometimes hear small steps and things flying it be cool if there was AI with it

[paper oriole]

the group thing, so much yes. many times ive tried to inv somebody new who doesn't know how to leave group after we get wiped or invite and i have to explain, gets irritating lol

[paper oriole]

oh for fucks sake not the return of mild diarrhea

[shell willow]

CRIE

[graceful hazel]

No, stop. No- No

No-

[still temple]

@night mountain but why

[paper oriole]

why not just like, have an affinity penalty

[night mountain]

keeps shit open for proper scavengers

something something give cerato a niche

[paper oriole]

just like give a stam and thirst penalty or something

no mild diarrhea

[night mountain]

i mean a thirst penalty is basically the suggestion tbh

[paper oriole]

why not just say that lol

[night mountain]

i probably should have lmaooo IT SEEMED LIKE REALISTIC JUSTIFICATION

[paper oriole]

fr though hopefully there is a sort of affinity affect in relation to stagnant water and festering gore, so our bois cerato and herrera can have their scavenger niche

[jolly willow]

@zinc void pretty likely

[zinc void]

mhm

[jolly willow]

ankys got the same concept with their 3 call, swinging its tail

[zinc void]

thats wherei got it from

[jolly willow]

ye

[zinc void]

since they're similar in some ways

[valid zephyr]

Yep I agree that the pachy growth time is way too long for what it is.

[lilac swallow]

Pachy grows needs to be reduced, but not that much, It needs to be like utahs grow with 100 and get buffs to its bleed resistance at least

[valid zephyr]

Draenoch those sizes for carnis are much bigger than than actually were. Don't know where you got that from

[hasty parcel]

A very strange and inaccurate place obviously

Probs outdated

[valid zephyr]

over 15m for rex

wow

largest we've found is 13m

[formal vine]

Jfc outdated size

Spino was bigger than rex length wise, rex was 8 tonnes, I think spino was 6. Spino was the biggest by length (maybe height as well because of the spine, rex was the biggest by weight). The reference is OUTDATED and way too big for the dinos, largest rex was 13m, yet it would be appreciated that the spino would be taller and bigger by length compared to rex. Yet making the weight accurate is also important.

[keen kettle]

Spinos bones were denser than the rexes, making it much heavier as well, according to the most recent studies.

[formal vine]

Rex was heavier than spino

I'm not biased to rex

[keen kettle]

And biggest rex fosil found was 14.5 meters.

Not 13

And false, rex was not heavier.

[formal vine]

Biggest rex was 13m, named scotty, how heavy do you think spino is?

[hasty parcel]

"Biggest rex fossil found was 14.5 meters"

[formal vine]

where'd you get that from? I'd like to see the source.

[hasty parcel]

And no, Rex was very likely heavier as it was meant to be very robust

[formal vine]

Yes ^ rex was heavier

What do you think spino was? 20 tonnes? @keen kettle

[keen kettle]

According to recent studies it was at least 12-14 tons, compared to Rexs largest estimate 10 tons. And seems I stand corrected, couldve sworn I read Big Sue was 14 meters.... Now says shes 12.3 x.x

[hasty parcel]

She's been 12.3 meters for a while

[keen kettle]

Was a while ago I read about Sue, in around 2014

[hasty parcel]

and I have no clue where you got those estimates for Spino from

[keen kettle]

But Spino I read of last week

[formal vine]

Dreanoch, send me the source of your spino's weight.

[gritty helm]

according to what I've just looked up Spino was the biggest carnivore, larger than the T-rex and Giga. I'll see if any other articles state this but here's the link to the article

https://www.livescience.com/24120-spinosaurus.html

if it's outdated let me know

[hasty parcel]

Largest can mean several things too

[formal vine]

This is march 18 206

2016*

I dont know how you think its recent

"March 18, 2016 04:44pm ET"

[keen kettle]

A quick google search says Spinosaurus was anywhere between 7000-21000 KG, aka 7-21 tons.

[gritty helm]

"Spinosaurus was larger than both T. rex and Giganotosaurus, which was previously the largest carnivorous dinosaur known. But it's unclear just how big Spinosaurus was, due to incomplete fossils.

In a 2005 study in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, researchers estimated Spinosaurus was 52 to 59 feet (16 to 18 m) long and weighed 7.7 to 9.9 tons (7 to 9 metric tons), based on extrapolations from skull measurements. However, other scientists took issue with the study's methods, and instead claimed the behemoth was 41 to 47 feet (12.6 to 14.3 m) long and 13.2 to 23 tons (12 to 20.9 metric tons), according to a 2007 study in the same journal. "

[still temple]

[formal vine]

Lol

[still temple]

guess you havent noticed we're in 2019 now

[formal vine]

yeah lmao

[hasty parcel]

21 tons is from old estimates

[gritty helm]

really

[formal vine]

201 tonne rex is stupid

[gritty helm]

I thought it 2003

[formal vine]

Outdated

21 tonne*

[still temple]

So you do know, yet you cite sources from 2005 / 2007?

[gritty helm]

I literally just said it was a quick google search and the first article I found

[hasty parcel]

That's why you don't do a quick search

[formal vine]

'google search'

[hasty parcel]

But actually try to do research

[still temple]

ah

[formal vine]

Try to ACTUALLY research

[hasty parcel]

Try to find the most reliable recent sources

[formal vine]

Google is not always correct

[still temple]

Ye generally the first results are outdated.

[gritty helm]

never said it was

[formal vine]

If it says velociraptor was taller than a human, would you belive it?

[keen kettle]

When youre trying to open sites but theres a thunderstorm so net is slow -.-

[still temple]

When you use outdated graphs

[formal vine]

better not be some excuse dreanoch

[hasty parcel]

from what I've heard Spino's length is now generally estimated at like 15.6 meters, don't know weight, but definitely lighter than rex

[valid zephyr]

thunderstorm here so barely internet either. :/ having trouble opening these links

[formal vine]

I'm a big ass spino fan, because its unique, but I cant belive these false sources. I stated Spino was bigger than rex lengthwise didn't I?

Sep 4 2018

[keen kettle]

Not an excuse, just took longer than usual to open

[formal vine]

Hmm getting closer

[keen kettle]

Thats as recekt as it gets

Sadly WW2 robbed us of most fossils of the amazing creature

Recent*

[still temple]

Imagine using circle shaped sail in 2019

[formal vine]

lmao

[valid zephyr]

eew

[formal vine]

Is 2018 as recent as it gets?

12 tonne spino? thats new

[keen kettle]

From what I can be asked to search with this slow ass net, yes xD

[gritty helm]

2018 seems to be as recent as it gets yea

[keen kettle]

Its rough

[gritty helm]

nothing from 2019 as far as I can tell

[keen kettle]

Used to 100MBs on phone

[still temple]

https://www.deviantart.com/franoys/art/Spinosaurus-aegyptiacus-skeletal-MSNM-v-4047-706405411

[keen kettle]

Now thanks to thunderstorm its not even a MB

[still temple]

here

spinosaurus

[keen kettle]

Look

[formal vine]

6 tonnes in total

[keen kettle]

Im not asking Dondi to make her competetive with Rex or Giga in a fight

[still temple]

https://www.deviantart.com/franoys/journal/A-mathematical-analysis-on-Spinosaurus-mass-635495737
article (updated 2019)

[formal vine]

Rex is 8 tonnes

[keen kettle]

But size should be accurately scaled

[still temple]

no

[formal vine]

All the information is in the table given by @still temple

And the reference

Its 2019

[still temple]

*credit to Franoys

an actual palaeontologist, that consults other palaeontologists for accurate and most up to date data

[formal vine]

Actually given by a talented palentologist on deviantart

its beliveable

[still temple]

not some random paleoartist that can't even find simple data

or missed the last 10 years of spinosaurus research

[keen kettle]

Anyhow

Need to get going, shit to do.

And storm is really setting foot here x.x

Cant even see the forest 200m away due to the heavy rain

[hasty parcel]

Pretty sure Spino will be made in line with Rex and Giga in terms of size, being the largest

[formal vine]

Yep

Size will be accurate as well

[still temple]

UCMP 137538 is literally just a few toe bones, you can't accurately calculate a mass estimate from that. @keen kettle

[keen kettle]

Im just waiting for fish ai

So that I can use Spino accuratly

[valid zephyr]

and sucho

[still temple]

sure, with ur 20 ton spino

[formal vine]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-gif-10703708

[hasty parcel]

Well, Spino won't be the primary fisher

Spino will be capable of fishing, but it isn't gonna be able to sustain itself on it

[valid zephyr]

it could fish for deinos?

[formal vine]

Thats a bit much

[keen kettle]

Babies and sub adults maybe

[hasty parcel]

well, from what we've heard Dondi say, Spino will spend time around the oceans

Where it has to worry about other things than Deino

Sucho will have to worry about Deino in the rivers

[keen kettle]

But an adult deino will slaughter it

Esp if it will grow to Hypo sizes...

[valid zephyr]

hypo deino?

[hasty parcel]

Spino is probably going to have to worry about the full-aquatics...like Mosa or Krono

[still temple]

spino would have to worry more about collapsing under it's own weight

[hasty parcel]

[still temple]

If Dreanoch's suggestion was applied

[formal vine]

lmao

[still temple]

i mean hell, he couldn't even bother checking wiki. (wiki's chart is also piss poor, but not as bad as the one he posted)

[hasty parcel]

Wiki as in wikipedia?

[still temple]

ye, dont use the size chart up there tho.

[hasty parcel]

they've got this new one since then

[formal vine]

Atleast thats decent ^

[still temple]

o

pretty decent for wiki

I still dunno where in the world he pulled the 20 ton spinosaurus chart from

[hasty parcel]

Certainly more accurate than the previous one

and yea, no idea

but whatever

[indigo sun]

@valid flower what are you talking about?

Pues can 1 shot pretty much anything as far as I know, I played one for a good while and was almost never got hurt except for one bite. And also, not like they're staying anyway and that isn't a suggestion.

[valid flower]

Good

i dont want them in the game

[barren zephyr]

@keen kettle Please

refrain from using these

Franoys is your go

i believe the people above laready toldd you

[keen kettle]

Whatever you say bud @barren zephyr

Btw

[valid zephyr]

Yes please chinese official servers

[cyan flame]

Doubt it'd help at all :p

[obsidian matrix]

yeah i guess they will still come to eu servers tbh....

[barren zephyr]

Godzilla..

[night mountain]

honestly ill be insanely surprised and disappointed if deino CAN'T submerge

that'd be super weird

[night mountain]

give deino the ability to move basically invisibly in water whenever it wants tbh

[paper oriole]

That just sounds like another way to make the game more annoying to herbivores

[blazing charm]

Actual tension created by consequences for death > a spooky heartbeat that makes you "feel" scared.

[barren zephyr]

@hexed flume thanks for telling me

[hexed flume]

no problem

[valid zephyr]

it's not confirmed next update

it's having super early tests now

[hexed flume]

im pretty sure it is

[barren zephyr]

most of my suggestions are ones that are planned to come out, it sucks

[lilac swallow]

@hexed flume if i were you i would delete the comment on that Channel and put It here better

[valid zephyr]

it might not come for a year

or ever

[hexed flume]

i dont think so

i think it might come out in the recode

[valid zephyr]

chances are the recode will have 0 visible changes for the players

[barren zephyr]

one thing i do want is for grazing to be out ASAP but thats been confirmed to come out so just need to wait now

[valid zephyr]

it will simply give the devs a good base to build off later on in future updates

[barren zephyr]

yup

[hexed flume]

i would like to see more survival features into this game

[barren zephyr]

i don't mind, i'm happy trying to be an adult giga for the 152nd time in a row 😃 (dondi help me please 😢 )

jk

[real parcel]

alandre

[formal vine]

@barren zephyr 's suggestion is spot on

[barren zephyr]

Thanks alot! 😀

[formal vine]

The old rex calls were better tbh

[barren zephyr]

they were better but i wasnt a fan of the one before the current one

it sounded like countless toilets flushing for me

[night mountain]

Lmao imagine how annoying the heartbeat would be on deathmatch

Me following a herd of herbs as a herra just to annoy the shit out of them

[barren zephyr]

sorry oof

[vestal rune]

iirc they said they're gravitating towards shorter calls, so it's meant to be short

also I can't be the only one who really likes the rex's new calls? not even a huge JP fan but it sounds better then when it sounded like someone kicked it the fucking balls

[lilac swallow]

People allways has bias, if they dont like jp everything that is like something from jp(even if is something that they didnt really dislike from jp) is automatically bad

[barren zephyr]

Uhm..

i really like Jp myself

and i am pretty much hating the fact the sounds are being JP-fied

it takes out the originability of the game

and is quite lazy too

Its better to produce something that sets the game unique rather than a sound everyone hears everywhere, that gives the game sounds a spotlight.

@lilac swallow

[vestal rune]

how is it lazy? lol, they're just inspired by JP

[umbral prairie]

the new rex calls are too screechy for my taste, I'd be fine with them continuing to use the screechy part but mixing some growly sounds into there

[barren zephyr]

but if you keep on outright putting Jurassic Park esque sounds into your game, it brings to a point where the game is a reskinned Jurassic Park and i am pretty sure that Universal COULD step in and possibly SUE Dondi. Originability over Popularity.

[umbral prairie]

I don't think the rex calls sound JP-like tbh, they're both screechy but different, the only ones really sounding alike are the utah borks

[grand brook]

the 1 and 3 call are slightly modified JP rex roars

there's no doubt

[hazy blaze]

Hey do any of you know any up to date method of viewing up-to-date stats on dinos?

the wiki is quite behind

An API to retrieve data from Dondi's brain would be best

[lilac swallow]

They arent really lazy if they did It from zero

[vestal rune]

all of the sounds are made entirely uniquely, maybe just by some inspiration of how JP did it

no way for it to be sued

[pure copper]

It’s basically just different enough to avoid copyright

For the raptors anyway

But honestly even disregarding similarities I’m not fond of rexes new sounds

[vestal rune]

ye, admittedly the utah broadcast are literally JUST the velo sounds from JP, just replicated

I personally prefer the new sounds, I really dislike how high pitched the previous ones were

[pure copper]

Wait did they get new new sounds because the last ones I remember were pretty high pitched Jp sounding versions

Haven’t heard them in a long while

[vestal rune]

they are definetly JP sounds, not nearlly as high pitched as the older ones though

though tbh they both have difference high and low pitched elements to them

[night mountain]

Lol scalies and their jp lookalike needs

I’d be down for first person mode for sure

[umbral prairie]

I don't know how first person would work tbh, but at least some different POVs would be cool, one being next to the neck or even the head for ambushing in forests

[vestal rune]

I believe they said they weren't going to add it?

mostly because why the fuck would you want to be from the perspective of your dino's constantly moving face

[coarse shell]

they had it before but removed it due to how clunky it was

[vestal rune]

I don't recall first person?

wait what is it something you'd enable through like a console?

[coarse shell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qBVV5jw3s

[vestal rune]

'caus I swear I remember something about first person in the way past

[coarse shell]

thats an example of first person

[thorny lynx]

1 and 3 calls don't fit the 2 and 4 calls

[thorny lynx]

Idk if I should post this in suggestions or not.

[fading shadow]

@thorny lynx how about it just spawns randomly throughout the map

and also dont post it bc dinosauriac already said stop asking

[subtle adder]

@barren zephyr Thats a warning sign to other crocs I believe

So 3 call?

[barren zephyr]

It's a mix

[night mountain]

More often is a mating display thing

[barren zephyr]

Mainly a mating display, so sort of a threat/hey baby what u doin

[night mountain]

lmao more ptera deino suggestions

can galli also stick its head in the sand when it gets scared instead of running and can deino sob and cry every time it kills something lets go full animal myths here

[frail prawn]

That Deino suggestion needs to be something the two call does when your surfaced.

[zinc void]

or it could just be the f call

or if its as the file says an intimidation display, just make it the threaten roar

[night mountain]

why the hell can you not access the character screen on sandbox anyway

[jovial blade]

Idk and its annoying

I cant even test shit out

[paper oriole]

Yes let's try forcing herbivores to stay confined to certain areas to make them even less appealing to play

[floral plover]

Okay ur right actually lmao

[paper oriole]

For AI itd be neat but not towards players

[floral plover]

Maybe like they would find their fav plants in certain biomes

That give more food.

[paper oriole]

Thatd be passable, still giving them liberty to migrate and group up without being condemned to death for it

[floral plover]

Yeah lemme make a suggestion about that

U and ur thinks

[paper oriole]

[floral plover]

Smh

[subtle adder]

@formal vine yes

[formal vine]

Anthony castlena's music is boss

its a shame to not have it used

[subtle adder]

Mhm

[formal vine]

Why tf would humans wanna inject a hypo serum in dinos lol

Humans kill dinos

I can see the cannibals doing it but thats not the traditional way to become hypo

[jovial blade]

So the dinos that turn hypo can kill all dinos

[formal vine]

But kill the humans as well lmao

Its pointless

[void birch]

And they'd need to implement new loot drops for players seeing as everything will be looted within the first week of humans coming into the game.

That would be too much hassle

And players camping loot spots too

[rose needle]

Not to mention it could promote teaming between dinos and humans so that they could get their Hypo status and terrorize

[teal grotto]

@formal vine humans kill everything look at real life for the example..

[barren zephyr]

yeah, no kidding

[valid zephyr]

@subtle adder acro is a non survival dino, and so its stats are neither balanced nor relevent. para already fights allo or runs from it pretty well. Any faster or stronger and allo would be in an awful spot.

[subtle adder]

oh I forgot about them

Ty tho

[brittle bough]

@barren zephyr

goes to the feedback channel
writes the words "my suggestion is..."

theres a channel slightly more suited to your needs, friend

[barren zephyr]

Well I was just following the guy who posted before me lol

I can delete it and put it here if its that important

[steady cradle]

he bamboozled the discord

[brittle bough]

ain't meant to discuss feedback in the feedback channel, your feedback should be unrelated to other people's feedback, but yeah if you dont move it yourself then an admin might delete it lol

in regards to your actual suggestion and the hooplah in general about trike though, people seem to be missing the other point of separating trikes; their individual strengths/weaknesses need to be observed to know how they need to be balanced. the fact that trike is unplayable on its own means there needs to be something changed, but they cant actually see what exactly needs to be changed without seeing trike stand on it's own. a trike with the backup of two dibbles and a maia and a para plays/survives very differently from a trike with a trike, or a trike alone. and since trike is the apex herbivore, it's individual balance matters a lot, just like rexs' balance.

[barren zephyr]

it also means that normal herds without trikes barely stand a chance

[brittle bough]

then that also means they might have issues and need balancing, something that also cant be observed in it's clearest form with trike sentinels around

removing one species of dinosaur from a mix-herd shouldnt destroy both that dinosaur's survivability and the herd's survivability; if it does even regardless of the skill level of the herd's players, something is wrong that needs to be fixed. but you cant fix a problem without knowing what it is, so youve gotta take the band-aid off to get a look at it.

[vestal rune]

I believe ragdoll corpse smelling is planned?

[barren zephyr]

Ohh well i hope so

People were arguing about not knowing when a body is down so i decided to suggest in the offical

It makes more sense for you to smell it anyways

[vestal rune]

I imagine working with ragdolls is tricky, which is why it hasn't been implemented yet

[dry token]

is it possible for the damage Herrerasaurus does be improved in the future? bc 50 damage is pretty miniscule compaired if a utah attacked the giga

[grand brook]

for now unlikely, it's not a survival dino therefor low priority to change it's stats

[vestal rune]

ye

[dry token]

well im saying when they finally release it i like the speed but no damage is sorta... just speed racing

[vestal rune]

if it ever gets added into survival its speed is going way down

dinos get entirely overhauled once going into survival, as their niche usually can't be filled with their progression stats

[valid zephyr]

yeah as herra isn't survival, its stats are ignored for now

if it gets added (hope it does), then its stats get a balance pass

[north hemlock]

herra's speed is perfect grrrr

[grand brook]

not really, the only reason it's fast it's because they made it's model bigger a while back and as the model gets bigger it's speed increases

[night mountain]

Honestly I’m baffled you can’t smell bodies. Why even is that

[vestal rune]

like I said, probably difficult to work with ragdolls

[night mountain]

I’m gonna be so bummed if they slow down herra, that’s the only reason it’s fun

I’d rather have it be in sandbox limbo forever tbh than THAT

[paper oriole]

if they slow it they better up its stam a ton lol, maybe a couple points above carno would be fair though i mean his speed is all he's got going for him

[dim ginkgo]

@glossy tangle it’s becuse patereon

Normal server it’s balanced

[indigo sun]

It's kinda not though. Even without injections and donations it's incredibly easy to grow an apex when it shouldnt be because it's very easy to sit in a corner of the map and eat the ai spoonfed to players and grow without coming in contact with anyone

[glossy tangle]

Panda not really

take Pangaea for example, rexes everywhere you go, can't get them from patreon

it should be that maybe more velos spawn around them, but not many oros or tacos

[paper oriole]

avas should also defend themselves against juvies and do some yucky bleed damage

higher tier aggro AI is also apparently coming in the future though since the useless velos don't do their job well lol

[indigo sun]

It's cause velos die so easily

Thats why they cant do their jon

*job

[paper oriole]

yeah theyre only good against like.. fresh utah and dilo juvies lol

[indigo sun]

They really gotta make them stronger and spawn in packs of 3-5 so they can actually do stuff

[paper oriole]

we need some good shit like an acro spawning and killing off an afk rex juvie hiding by gem pond

maybe i'm a little too harsh lol

[indigo sun]

Nah thats a good idea

[paper oriole]

it would certainly encourage them to move lol

[barren zephyr]

yeah when that comes in that will solve the problem

[paper oriole]

if they aren't tabbed out on youtube or whatever that is, but if that's so then boo on them

[indigo sun]

They could spawn when players have been afk for half or 2/3 of however long it takes for juvi rex and giga hunger to drain and go after the players

[paper oriole]

yeah it could somehow be triggered by idleness

[indigo sun]

If youre moving and stuff, they dont spawn but if youre not, oh well

[paper oriole]

also been thinking of small game giving sub-adult apexes low affinity if they are living solely or mostly off of it, since naturally those animals would want to go after something meatier

[indigo sun]

Yeah thats a good idea too. I like that. Make them work for their food

[paper oriole]

a rex living off tacos and juvies wouldnt be in good of shape as a rex living off trikes and maias

would make them easier targets, not sure how their weakness could be visible though

[indigo sun]

Weaker bite force? Not horribly low but still lower

[paper oriole]

less bonebreak chance too maybe

[barren zephyr]

what about also make where they every mid takes half their as they do now so like allo it would take around 3hrs but if they change it to 1hr and 30mins

[paper oriole]

a shit rex living off small tiers could have drasticly reduced bb ontop of a slightly reduced bite force

[indigo sun]

Weaker jaws from a lack of use would make sense

[barren zephyr]

they split every mid tier in half

the times

[paper oriole]

maybe duller colours could expose the weak links, model size or shape would be too much work for its worth

[barren zephyr]

so players are more wanted to play mid tiers

[paper oriole]

yeah allo packs would have a better shot at hunting some shit rexes lol

[indigo sun]

Would low tiers have shorter growth times too then? Cause it'd be weird if a utah took as long to grow as an allo

[barren zephyr]

but utah would take like 45mins

[paper oriole]

utahs are pretty easy right now, a few of the lower tiers could use adjustment though definitely

[barren zephyr]

or something or half an hour

[paper oriole]

like maia and pachy times should be swapped as pachy is a smaller tier with a growth time not quite worth the result

[glossy tangle]

I don't really want to make the full adults any less powerful, it's the juvies and subs that need to be harder

[indigo sun]

They really gotta fix that

Full adults should also be harder to sustain though

And it would be a result of their growth

[barren zephyr]

because sometimes it is quite annoying dying to apex and if you die you don't have to afk grow

[paper oriole]

yea hopefully they get on it after the recode work is finished lol

[barren zephyr]

if the mid tiers are shorter

and low tiers

[paper oriole]

the mid tiers could have growth acceleration based on their activity perhaps

[indigo sun]

So if they sit like idiots for hours they get weaker, making them suffer as an adult for poor growth choices

[glossy tangle]

nah, sucho defintely should be shorter

but everything else should stay the same

[barren zephyr]

yeah that too

because it is so annoying that players just hidein bushes and camp there and if you wonder why you don't find players

[glossy tangle]

cos it takes just 2hrs less then rex to grow, stupid

[barren zephyr]

im saying don't lower the apexes and either the trike

[glossy tangle]

but ya see I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to sit in a bush, that is a tactic to survive

[paper oriole]

running to a water source expending your stam from a bad spawn point just for an afker rex to see you and eat you before getting back to hiding under their tree

[glossy tangle]

we just need it to be harder

[paper oriole]

i mean the foliage is there to hide in, but afking in it should be punished somehow

[indigo sun]

You shouldnt be allowed to sit in a bush for hours on end eating only ai

[glossy tangle]

so only those who are clever should be able to reach adult

[barren zephyr]

and mid tiers also

[indigo sun]

Towards the end of the sub stage, players should be forced to work for food instead of farming ai

[barren zephyr]

^

[indigo sun]

Maybe it wouldnt be as bad for juvis but subs should get punished

[shell willow]

You should be allowed to sit in a bush, since uh, that's how they survive to adulthood, but I agree that there should be punishments and risks to sitting in bushes for long long periods of time and farming ai

[paper oriole]

using trees to hide during growth is fine, but in the way that you dart in between them to stay out of sight while on the move, not sitting under one for an hour

[glossy tangle]

otherwise you get servers overrun by salty kids who play rex and kill someone because that giga or something killed them when they were a sucho.

it should be so that u gotta play smart

it's too easy rn

[indigo sun]

You just shouldnt be able to sit there until youre hungry. That shouldnt be allowed. I wont take away hiding in a bush, just dont let people sit there, make them play the game and if they die, oh well, cause it's supposed to be hard to get an apex anyway

[paper oriole]

maybe if you sit under a tree for too long a cannibal will leap down and nom your afk face off

[glossy tangle]

and trust me, ik that from my own experience, I have to be rather unlucky to not reach at least large sub

[paper oriole]

or not that exactly really, just something

[glossy tangle]

like an AI pue could come and accidentally tread on you and crush every bone in your body

[paper oriole]

👍

[indigo sun]

I like the getting eaten idea

[glossy tangle]

yeah

but, idk if that would be the best

[paper oriole]

larger patrolling aggro ai in woodlands when/if AI is reworked for the better

brachi ai with trample munching on trees would be good too lol

i mean if you arent afk its easy to move 5 feet to the left and not die

[glossy tangle]

like it'd be annoying if u were just hiding from smth big and mean then smth comes and kills u

oh hold up, got smth to deal with in game, I'm juvy rex and an allo pack just arrived.

[paper oriole]

tru i suppose, not sure how it could be implemented properly

aight

[shell willow]

I spy someone hiding in a bush 👀

[paper oriole]

i'd hide in a bush from allos too lol

[glossy tangle]

lol there's a galli, it's so oblivious to the allo pack XD

oof it went straight to them

[indigo sun]

If youre sitting there until youre hungry, so maybe after 3/4 hunger is gone, then it eats you
I dont think hiding should be punished, so it shouldnt be there when youre sitting for like 5 minutes or something trying to hide

[paper oriole]

yeah it could target hungry "weakened" prey

and sitting prey perhaps, but that could be a potential hazard to those running under a bush after a fight to bleed heal and get unlucky

then again bad luck is a thing that happens, but that'd be big oof

[glossy tangle]

aww they had their gamma up

they got me

[paper oriole]

hopefully gamma exploiting is a thing getting a fix soon too

[glossy tangle]

yeah

I've suggested making it soooooooo dark that even with up'd gamma u need night vision

that'd stop it

[brittle bough]

nights become solid black lul

[shell willow]

just, not even nv, just have to walk blindly through the world

blindness for all

[glossy tangle]

hmm....

maybe not that

but a sleep mechanic would for sure be cool

[shell willow]

i'm joking crie

[paper oriole]

i can hunt in v3 at night most of the time without nv but thenyaw, hell na. hopefully the new map doesn't have the gamma issue

[brittle bough]

my monitor is naturally dark so i just :(

[glossy tangle]

I think you should have to sleep or you'd be negatively affected

like less stam

slower

[paper oriole]

too much sleep will fuck you up though

[glossy tangle]

less bite force

yeah

[paper oriole]

sitting idle for too long will have you automatically doze off?

[shell willow]

kinda sounds like a chore though

I like being idle for too long and falling asleep tho

[brittle bough]

ehh, maybe if there was something to do when sleeping, i already tab out when im laying down willingly, much less if im forced to

i still like the idea of afking causing a type of sleep that makes one snore lol

[shell willow]

to need to fall asleep or you get debuffs? it seems pointless and one of those features that's just like "why was this added again?"

[brittle bough]

because muh realism

[shell willow]

and like, to need to do it for a certain amount of time too

[glossy tangle]

the game pushes for realism

[shell willow]

it really doesn't

[glossy tangle]

so sleep would be a cool aspect, like you could choose when to sleep

but when sleeping of cause you are vulnerable to attack

[shell willow]

we've got things like giant monster strains and tribals + those weird wendigo lookin ass bastards, hardly realistic

[glossy tangle]

those are just part of the story line

the strains are meant to be fucked up experiments done by humans

[paper oriole]

sleeping could have positive affinity affects if done for a certain amount of time, and negative affects from overdoing it. but too much negative from not sleeping could be a hassle

[glossy tangle]

and the cannibal is also meant to be a fucked up experiment

but now we're way off topic

[brittle bough]

lone survivor managed to make a sleeping mechanic that wasnt a tedious chore, buuut thats a vastly different game and is also singleplayer, is the thing.
the issue with sleeping mechanics is that in multiplayer theres no way to skip the process of sleeping, youve just got to sit there and wait it out. if you really want to try out that 'what if' of being forced to sleep at night or else have debuffs, next time you play lay down and do not get up for the whole night. bonus points if you dont tab out.

it wont be a thrilling process lol

[glossy tangle]

not have it so your "forced to"

but have it benefit you if you fo

*do

[brittle bough]

aye, thats a better way than having debuffs if you dont

[paper oriole]

i mean while it's dark as hell at night and many people settle down sleep wouldnt be a terrible idea

in herds people could take turns sleeping and keeping watch, also encouraging grouping

[glossy tangle]

yeah

[paper oriole]

would make dilos all the more terrifying of a threat too

[glossy tangle]

yeah like they do in the army, one person stays up everyone else sleeps, now make that be for packs of say utahs

[brittle bough]

i can accept sleeping if it isnt forced, im just arguing against 'sleep or else theres debuffs.' im chill with sleeping if it offers minor buffs but if you dont sleep then youre just normal

[glossy tangle]

it'd be cool

[paper oriole]

and if senses are dulled one might have to make use of that loud 4 call if they arent in a formal group chat

[glossy tangle]

yeah

[shell willow]

I'm alright if sleep is purely cosmetic (like an addon to a resting idle, if you stay idle while resting for an extended period of time it'll put you in a sleeping animation) but for sleep to be required otherwise debuffs, it's a pointless chore that would take away from gameplay experience.
No one wants a game like The Isle to tell them "Your dino has to sleep for 8 ingame hours for optimal performance during wakefulness." otherwise it just becomes dino simulator and other games do exist to do that without making it boring. The Isle is supposed to be a horror game.. at least, supposed to be.. I honestly don't see any reason to have to sleep.
bUt muh roleplay

[paper oriole]

make the nights more "ah shit" instead of "ughh"

[shell willow]

^

[glossy tangle]

horror?????

[paper oriole]

damn right

[glossy tangle]

nah the isle aint meant to be horror game

[paper oriole]

but it is tho

[glossy tangle]

is it?

cos it doesn't seem like one

[brittle bough]

id be okay with two forms of sleep:
-Better Rest: better regen, longer getup, dulled senses/vision probably, as opposed to normal rest which has a shorter getup and full senses but ehh regen
-Minor Buffs if done for x ingame hours: self-explanatory

its meant to be survival horror, but the horror is more for humans

[glossy tangle]

hmmm

[paper oriole]

it is described as survival horror, of course the horror aspect is hardly in yet

[brittle bough]

id not be okay with
-Obligatory Sleep: u must sleep for x ingame hours or be punished

[paper oriole]

but it will be

yeah sleep should have ositive affects in proper amounts, negative affects for excessive (afk) sleep.. not negative for no sleep

but those who do portion their sleep hours would be more spry

[brittle bough]

i wonder how it could differentiate afk sleeping from normal sleeping

[paper oriole]

probably a set time or lack of any activity from the player

[shell willow]

Right now, the game is more eat/drink/sit in a bush until you're big enough to go die to something bigger simulator

[brittle bough]

maybe sleeping for too long during the day for diurnal dinosaurs?

[shell willow]

Adding sleep would just... add to the simulation

I really don't think it's necessary at all

[paper oriole]

sleep too much during day could be a good way

[brittle bough]

yeah its not necessary but just would be neat on top of other stuff

[paper oriole]

it could also primarily be an afk callout mechanic

and on more laid back servers a cute rp thing

[brittle bough]

but yeah like, maybe dilo could benefit more from day-sleeping and so the afk sleep would apply to it during the night, when it should be more active

[shell willow]

It may not be necessary but honestly it feels like it would only be good for a cosmetic

[paper oriole]

there would probably also have to be a way to make it so the timer sleep doesn't mess with nesters, though since males will be a part of that process in the future it could encourage taking turns on the nest

[shell willow]

not something that actually affects gameplay

[vagrant crest]

What if it was one of the requirements to get a strain

[shell willow]

sleeping??

[paper oriole]

type ZZZ strain confirmed???/??!!!?!1!

[night mountain]

mild diarrhea is better than sleeping

[shell willow]

I don't know if I'd go that far

[night mountain]

maybe we could combine concepts and afk dinosaurs fall asleep and wet the bed

[shell willow]

oh lord

[night mountain]

add a gross peeskined texture and make you smell so everyone knows your shame

[brittle bough]

your fixation on this makes me question your interests

[pale tinsel]

wtf

xD

[coarse shell]

@barren zephyr

[paper oriole]

yo that shit is gonna haunt suggestions forever tho

[shell willow]

it's just the joke now

[pale tinsel]

ye lol

[night mountain]

fearful urine animations when you get near a predator

[paper oriole]

jesus dude lol

starting to think you might have a fetish

[night mountain]

I mean absolutely but nothing involving dinosaurs or shit and piss lmao

[paper oriole]

suuure

[night mountain]

[pale tinsel]

I've also seen a lot of people in #general-feedback saying to make it to where so many apexes shouldn't be allowed on one server at a time, but many people don't understand that it would make it easier for others and yourself to survive and that is NOT the point of the game. It's supposed to be hard either eat, or be eaten, if they wanted the game to be easy they would've had that feature in the game already. Where only a certain amount of apexes can't be on one server at the same time. The game is supposed to be hard for you! Please appreciate the game and what the Devs have done, I'm not saying people haven't already but for future reference. 𝓣𝓗𝓐𝓝𝓚𝓢, 𝓘𝓕 𝓨𝓞𝓤'𝓥𝓔 𝓡𝓔𝓐𝓓 𝓣𝓗𝓘𝓢. ❤

[paper oriole]

i mean yeah it should be hard but it's also boring seeing 50 rexes in 5 mins

diversify the danger

plus apexes just plow through everything there's no fight most of the time, nothing but try to get out of the area

[pale tinsel]

yeah i see what you're saying but i guess thats the point

[paper oriole]

it's not scary being killed by a giga 3 min after you spawn 10 times in a row, it's just tiring

[pale tinsel]

yeah

in most servers you arent allowed to spawn kill though

oh nv,

nvm*

3 mins

well i guess my opinion is trash now xD

[paper oriole]

yeah those who stalk nearby to avoid being called out for the kill, camping the closest water sources that people head to from their spawn point before continuing on their journey as a slow, vulnerable juvenile

[night mountain]

harmlessly assride juvi for 3 minutes, eat it as soon as the timers up

[paper oriole]

not really trash, the isle should be scary but getting killed by the same 2 things on repeat isn't scary

seeing a rex is just "ugh another one" not "oh shit a rex!"

[pale tinsel]

there should be more servers where people aren't allowed to kill juvis because i hate being killed by an adult rex when there is an ava RIGHT there or something smaller which will give them way more food than i ever would

ye

[night mountain]

lmao whats the point of not being able to kill juvis? Might as well not even HAVE them if that happens

[paper oriole]

ive been killed as a succ juvie by a rex when there were not one, but three avas nearby

[brittle bough]

i mean people also kill juvis to prevent competition so ehhn, its not just assholery

[night mountain]

also if a server didnt allow killing of juvis id definitely abuse that

[pale tinsel]

becasue there is enough ai to feed carnis even adult rexes

[paper oriole]

killing juvies is ok but like, chill out with the rexes absolutely everywher elol

[pale tinsel]

because*

[paper oriole]

being a juvie should be scary but it's just annoying when it's always a goddamn rex/giga

[night mountain]

make eating juvis give rex and giga mild diarrhea

[brittle bough]

gdi

[paper oriole]

i mean i personally dont kill juvies but i know it's the nature of the game

[pale tinsel]

lots of people are experienced with the game and its really easy for them to grow things or they use free grows which is kind of annoying

[paper oriole]

lmao put that in suggestions

[pale tinsel]

lmao

the game is easy for me but im saying for others

[paper oriole]

i did suggest lowering affinity of apexes who prey primarily on the tiny ones tho already but for the sake of the meme and all..

[pale tinsel]

that are new

[paper oriole]

ive seen so many adult rexes who are "shit at hunting" because it's so easy to grow them

absolute garbage rexes

[brittle bough]

my mercy towards juvis depends on how hungry i am and how long its been since ive seen anything lol, and if i can choose an ai over a player then i will, but if im hongry and theres nothing but a precious little giga sausage trying to run away as slowly as possible....

[pale tinsel]

ye same

[paper oriole]

some of which are actually my friends

[pale tinsel]

im eating so im really slow at typing rn lol

[paper oriole]

garbage rexes who i destroy as a theri they're that bad

they need to be harder

[pale tinsel]

yeah

all the apexes need to be harder

theyre so easy

[brittle bough]

once the current ai system is done away with, we'll see how hard they are

[paper oriole]

i do hope ai fix will reduce their numbers, cull the weak

[pale tinsel]

ye

[brittle bough]

id rather the suggestions not devolve into "apexes need x and y changed" for the next 5 hours again, since we dont know what ai changes/recode/combat rework/etc will do to apex populations lul

[paper oriole]

as for now all one can do is kill the baby rexes and gigas whenever they see them

[pale tinsel]

yeah if they can

and no kos rule is.. a thing

so its annoying

[night mountain]

no kos isnt a bad rule

i do some degenerate ass KOSing sometimes if servers allow it let me tell you

[pale tinsel]

oh yeah it isnt a bad rule but you def just say it was for food

i was saying the rexes and gigas are

[night mountain]

Kill everything small, follow anything too big and scream endlessly until apexs come and kill them too

carno life rocks

[pale tinsel]

lol

leg day everydayyy

back to eating mah potato

[paper oriole]

galli life kicking all the babies, adult pack members can't do shit because god tier turn radius and run, glory

[night mountain]

LOL

[pale tinsel]

lull

[paper oriole]

ive caused much friendly fire as a galli, just gotta do ones part in the apex population police

[night mountain]

all im gonna do as ptera is pick one apex and fly right over their head mashing broadcast until they go insane

ptera is loud as fuck too im SO glad about that

[pale tinsel]

when deino comes out since im gonna be fast asf im killing everything in the water or near it xD i gotta wait til no one is near the other though so ppl still come

wait

ptera has noises????

lemme hearrrrr

[coarse shell]

mob apparently encountered one during the night time

there's no showcased animations i dont think

or sound

it was smaller than a quetz, so

[pale tinsel]

weird

[night mountain]

some other dude said he was a baby utah and a ptera straight landed and killed em

[pale tinsel]

oh and once deino comes out im only drinking from streams lol

[night mountain]

yeah it like, divebombed SUPER close and screamed and left

it sounded like velo if it was screaming into a microphone

[pale tinsel]

oh wow

thats loud lol

[night mountain]

ive never jumped once in this game and i almost shit my pants it came out of nowhere and was SO loud

[pale tinsel]

oh god xD

[night mountain]

so obviously when it comes out im gonna do the same to people all the time who are in open areas at night

[brittle bough]

make calling while in flight drain a bit of stamina lul

[night mountain]

NO CURSED

make broadcasting regen stam

[paper oriole]

ptera screes deal damage 👌 👌 👌

[brittle bough]

ptera broadcast snaps hypos if done close enough

[night mountain]

hypo ptera where its just 50 times louder

like extreme youtube poop levels or loud

of*

or i guess thats more neuro territory

makes dinosaurs go deaf

[brittle bough]

hot new leaked neuro ptera broadcast (0:31)
https://youtu.be/8mSMSZr3sYg?t=31

[graceful hazel]

OH MY FOD

[coarse shell]

warning: will actually destroy your eardrums. lower volume pls

[night mountain]

LOL

i could barely hear it tho had to max my sound

[graceful hazel]

Respect.

[fading shadow]

i hate people who follow people and sream

such a dick move

how dare you

[torpid wedge]

??

[night mountain]

Babies not getting water from the nest doesn

t really make sense anyway

animals whos parents feed them in nests give them all the water they need

look at baby birds, they don't drink water at all

[barren zephyr]

@night mountain they get there moisture from there food

[jovial blade]

Moistttt

[barren zephyr]

M O I S T

[hallow vigil]

@formal vine you can press f12 to take a steam screenshot and you can upload it to the isle steam screenshot section too

[formal vine]

I'm talking about screenshotting options like that can be seen in JWE

[hallow vigil]

oh ok

[umbral tartan]

We have the reply system, and whilst that is currently buggy, it will probably be fixed after the recode
@formal vine

[valid zephyr]

Yep i'd like to see beach spawns removed too. It just spawns juvies far from water so if they don't know the map they die, and makes their spawn obvious for people to walk along killing them the second they appear.

[barren zephyr]

beachspawns will prob be removed

[jovial blade]

Why would dilo having a jump make any sense

@umbral tartan

Why did you react to my suggestion

I'm curious

[valid zephyr]

i'd like to see dilo having a small jump

[barren zephyr]

mmmhhhmmm ye makes sense i suppose

but like a jump similar to the pachy in ratio

id like to see dilo having the ability to climb trees to ambush from them more than to see dilos invalidate utahs more

i think a different dino that could climb trees, liiikkeeee

[finite perch]

i genuinely see no legitimate reason to increase the mobility of dilo in regards of new mechanics

[barren zephyr]

archaeopteryx

[finite perch]

yeah, or ptero

[barren zephyr]

it looks like this

and can glide

idk i just like the idea of having a glider

it was one of my first suggestions aswell

archaeo is like the size of an ant compared to the rest of the roster tho

[languid niche]

Well in somewhat surprised no one has taken to the idea of a scent marking system

[barren zephyr]

dilo is like the slowest of the small tiers. i would appreciated more mobility for it.
or just a better ambush

@barren zephyr its not the most acurate game in the world anyways 😄

they could make it siliar to tha adult pachy or wahtever

i find the thought of dilos resting on treetops at nighttime eating a carcass to be disturbing and intresting

[languid niche]

I find the idea of dilos disturbing in general

[barren zephyr]

: teddybear 2019 XD

[languid niche]

😂

But seriously what do people think of scent marking that could be used in realism

[barren zephyr]

it would be better to tell if a body is down, so they can stop fighting (one of the rules on isla nycta)

[languid niche]

Mah that's not what I mean. That's scenting a dead body.
I mean more of something along the lines of actually territory marking. You know, spino lifting its leg and marking its territory

[hoary ocean]

A little tree bark rub

Scratch my back a wittle

[languid niche]

Or Rex's. Then the marked area can be scented by dinos of the same species. Not giving out exact locations of course. Possibly a colored border letting you know something has claimed the territory

This would be extremely useful in semi realism and (hopefully) full realism servers. I know there is admins on the nycta server who would love to make a full realism server if whitelisting is introduced into the game

A full on realism server run by groups like the nycta team would be a dream come true

[north hemlock]

nycta is bad tho

🤔

[languid niche]

Better then most servers by far

[north hemlock]

def not lol

its pay2win and the players are toxic

[zinc void]

i said you're gay in there one time and the entire server went ape shit

lol

this isnt suggestion based so imma stop talking

[north hemlock]

👀

[umbral tartan]

@jovial blade ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[regal hare]

raptors needa buff and should be able to jump onto prey

man i cant wait for this game to be 100% done its gonna be sick as fff**k

[spiral pond]

If Utah gets buffed we can say bye bye to dilo again

[formal vine]

yeah

Utah is good as it is

[lament thorn]

@summer mist may not still be planned but Don did mention wanted to add basically a aquatic dlc once hes finished with the main game

[summer mist]

nice i think it would be sooooo fun

[wintry cipher]

@floral plover that used to be a thing and was abused for aggressive means. Just like how herbs used to be able to sniff on the move but now can't. They're not meant to work together and will eventually have their own foods to compete over much like how carnivores do.

[floral plover]

Yah I remember when it was a thing, just because people abused it in a no rule server or even on a rule servers that's why admins exist and devs exist is to punish these kind of ppl, by removing it u kind of ruined the herbivore gameplay experience now u can't even trust any herbivore one runs off when a Carni comes u get lost, not everyone knows how to travel by coords

They basically punished everyone instead of the ppl that need to be punished

[wintry cipher]

It's almost like they don't have the manpower to do what you described and as such hit it with a general thing until affinity can be put in place.

Devs don't exist to punish people (how did that become me and). That distracts them from making the game or playing it.

[floral plover]

Exactly, which Is why I don't see why u have to punish everyone, instead of the ppl that need to be punished if there are not enough ppl, then hire more, make applications.

Plus there are many things u can't stop.

For example, KOS, Spawn camping.

U can't stop those.

Ik devs are not made to punish ppl.

They can always do applications and make ppl help them take care of the servers.

[wintry cipher]

You also shouldn't trust anyone blindly, herb or not

[floral plover]

Ik.

But if u wanna herd with a Shant as a Maia and can't be in the same group, ur gonna have to what use global to go to places.

[wintry cipher]

Its like saying allos and Utah's should be allowed to mix pack. Paras and gallis can still do this legally. They just can't coordinate as well

[floral plover]

Giving away ur location.

That encourages using another apps to contact players, instead of contacting them easily through the game.

It's not really saying Allos and Utahs should be allowed to mixpack, cause utahs and allos are carnivores, they hunt, however herbivores eat plants, trees etc, they defend each other, some stand their ground, some run away, some warn others.

U can't really go off on a 4 call, since most players use it for fun.

[wintry cipher]

And herbs abused that kind of grouping to hunt.

[floral plover]

Exactly.

Was it a rule?

Nope.

[wintry cipher]

That's why it's gone.

[floral plover]

Was it a rule tho.

It never was a rule, so why remove something that u didn't even prevent players from doing.

[wintry cipher]

Nope. Very much broke the game tho and it seems the devs don't want herbs doing that so they do stuff to prevent it.

[floral plover]

That's why rules are a thing, admins, mods, head admins, owners etc that's why their all a thing.

[wintry cipher]

Rules don't prevent anyone from doing anything

[floral plover]

So

A Rex pack will start breaking bones and no one can escape them, their crazy fast, do not tell me their stam is horrible, cause an ambush can catch up to anything, and u can abuse ambush speed a lot

That's breaking the game.

Rules do prevent ppl from doing things why, cause when they break them, they get punished.

#rules-and-info Did u wanna break em?

And if u did

Are u going to break them?

Nope, cause u do not wanna be punished.

[indigo sun]

So what rule do you propose to stop herbivores from murdering the shit out of everything

[floral plover]

I don't know, I'm not the owner of this server, that's their job to host an admin meeting and talk about it.

Every server has a way of preventing it in a way

[wintry cipher]

I can guarantee that removing grouping just solves a lot of the workload for admins

[floral plover]

And their doing a pretty good job on it.

Then what are the admins for?

Sitting there with their golden names and amazing powers?

[wintry cipher]

Helping tp people out and punishing mixpackers

It's not like other shit doesn't happen

[floral plover]

There ya go

If u wanna make the game better u are gonna have to sacrifice something

Plus hello it's herbivores.

[wintry cipher]

Again. They are undermanned and overworked. And that is not a defense and you know it.

[floral plover]

Um nope,.

[wintry cipher]

Plus

[floral plover]

I'm an owner and an admin to many other servers.

[wintry cipher]

They can't cover all timezones

Or all servers

[floral plover]

Ik how much pain u get for taking care of a server.

So u can't use timezones for a defense.

U can make an application, and say ppl outside from that (Country) who have a whole diff time zone

That u want to hire.

[wintry cipher]

Idk what to tell you man but I am saying that it used to be a thing and was removed. I'm it's very unlikely to come back for the explicit reason it was abused

[floral plover]

And again, everyone has a choice, if ur gonna sign up for something might as well do it.

I play this game since Theri released, and it was so much fun when u could herd and group with other herbs and chat.

Plus back then it didn't use to be a thing

They added it after a time.

Everything ingame is being abused, u can't use abusing a feature as a defense.

Admins sign up to help make the server better, that's what there for, helping taking care of the server.

Yes they have lives, that's why a smart owner won't hire admins from the same timezones.

[fading shadow]

i smell

hmmm

s a l t

[floral plover]

It's not salt, it's called making a point, do u know that term

[brittle ivy]

Cool it, both of you

If you have a grievance pertaining to the current administrative manpower, talk to Punch. He can explain to you the circumstances.

[floral plover]

No I'm talking about what are admins for, since they said their aren't enough manpower to keep a server from rule breakers.

I honestly don't play in official servers anymore so idk anything, I responded to that guy cause he said "Salt" instead of read the entire convo.

[brittle ivy]

This is why I said talk to Punch, I'm busy manning the servers.

If this discussion doesn't pertain to any suggestions, I must ask you to take it to #401464048610312195 or #401470471750811669

[floral plover]

It is about the suggestion, read it in #general-feedback

[brittle ivy]

There are so many, which one?

[floral plover]

Mine.

Scroll up a lil

[brittle ivy]

Posted by..?

[floral plover]

Me.

"Mine" me xD.

[brittle ivy]

I see.. para, char screen, herb plants

[floral plover]

Last one I posted.

[outer nebula]

i think they are talking about how hadros cant talk to each other, which is a bad idea because they used to allow herds to group up in chat and they abused the hell out of it

[floral plover]

"Make it so that every Hadro can talk to each other in local and can talk to Gallis and Dryos, same with Ceratops but they can't talk to Hadros, and make it so that herbivores are able to group with each other, at least the small ones with either Ceratops or Hadros."

Exactly what Doc said.

[brittle ivy]

Okay... Nothing about that screams disdain about administrative manpower, but alright.

[floral plover]

It does, "Abuse of the feature" (Groups of herbs hunt down carns) which leads to rules, rules lead to admins.

[brittle ivy]

Tit for tat

This is in place so that admins won't be necessary, it doesn't make sense for a hadrosaur to understand a galli.

[floral plover]

They were saying that admins, actually read it, u will understand more

From where we started talking about it in paragraphs.

[brittle ivy]

Read the body language, try to understand the different roars, chat isn't necessary.

[floral plover]

Um

Hypos are a thing.

Cannibals are a thing.

[brittle ivy]

This is really going nowhere

Back to admining

[floral plover]

^.^

Gl.

[brittle ivy]

@earnest gorge I'm sure it will be back via a mod of some sort once the dev kit makes a reappearance.

[jovial saddle]

F

I actually thought that the hypo giga/Godzilla thing was a small nod for progression coming back

[indigo sun]

Pretty sure progression's dead

[jovial saddle]

Another big fat F

[brittle ivy]

@lethal wren You'll need to expand upon your reason for buffing or nerfing a dinosaur. Please see the pinned messages in the #general-feedback channel. Your suggestion will be removed until you can provide a more fleshed out idea.

[lethal wren]

Sorry for that.

I want to say that Acro should be buffed to be Good at Deathmatch.

Sandbox too.

[brittle ivy]

Please resubmit with the pinned message criteria in mind, and then you can discuss it here.

[lethal wren]

Maybe that never happens.

Okay, sorry for that happening.

[brittle ivy]

It's alright 👍

@barren zephyr Not necessary

[lethal wren]

I was editing.

Sorry for that.

I don't want to put that again.

[barren zephyr]

k

[lethal wren]

[lament thorn]

im no expert

but pretty sure a dog would be absolutely destroyed on any of these islands

[barren zephyr]

thats the thing it more of a tool than a weapon

and dogs are fast

[indigo sun]

I feel like you'd lose your dog in minutes

[lament thorn]

I think it would be abuse to bring your dog

[barren zephyr]

its a game so

[lament thorn]

a utah gonna use it as a chew toy

[barren zephyr]

only peta sees it as animal abuse

but what about the eagle

[indigo sun]

Bringing a dog to a dinosaur infested island is about the same as that lady who euthanized her dog to be buried with her. You both are gonna die and i feel like the dog would just draw attention if it's barking and making noise

[lament thorn]

I dont see a reason for an eagle?

you arent gonna be useing it to hunt or anything

[barren zephyr]

my idea was kinda like senu in assasins creed origins

[indigo sun]

Maybe some sort of machine like a gps that is connected to the trackers in dinosaurs. Nested dinos wouldnt have the trackers, giving them an advantage over mercs with the machine

[lament thorn]

wrong chat ptera?

[indigo sun]

No. I'm saying, instead of a dog or hawk

It'd make more sense for them to have some sort of machine than a dog that'd get killed in 5 minutes

[lament thorn]

wasnt that planned?

[brittle ivy]

I do believe a chip tracker is planned

[indigo sun]

Then no need for a dog

[brittle ivy]

Dinosaurs nested won't have the chip, so you won't be able to track those

[indigo sun]

I know nested dinos dont have trackers, i remembered that at least

Or wont have them

[brittle ivy]

The tracking device was very similar to the motion detector in the Alien movies

From what I recall that was debuted on a past dev stream, but since that was so long ago who knows if that idea has encountered much change.

[teal grotto]

@void birch AIs spawn limit is 100 on every island/server so if there is say 50 carnivores online who are hungry there will be 2 AI per carnivore that is hungry...

[night mountain]

wait is that actually how it works?

[cedar summit]

Neuros were supposed to mimic other animal calls, at least thats what their plan was in the beginning

[wintry cipher]

From what I have heard, the servers can handle 140 characters before it lags. That means if theres 1 player, 139 are/can be AI. 100 players = 40 AI

[night mountain]

lol a dog that kills dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

lmao

[night mountain]

like what, dryo hatchlings? That oro raiding the camps?

[barren zephyr]

imagine this thing killing dinosaurs XD

[vestal rune]

what about ones who are closer to wolves? lol

[barren zephyr]

bassat hounds are the best tracker dog

[vestal rune]

could probably defend against a utah with some advantage

[night mountain]

A wolf is incapable of killing any dinosaur at all that is a threat to humans

LMAO a utah would obliterate any breed or species of canine with no trouble at all

[barren zephyr]

genetically modified wolves though....?

[night mountain]

a utah would slamdunk even something like a polar bear probably

[vestal rune]

I'd say it would be even with a polar bear

[barren zephyr]

idk, the seal might have chance

[indigo sun]

I guess genetically modified canines could but would they really waste their resources on trying to create the perfect little pupper to fight a dinosaur?

[vestal rune]

pet bears though

[night mountain]

lmao the isle getting the furry audience

[vestal rune]

it already does though

[night mountain]

i mean

fair

[barren zephyr]

also tentacle mobster i just saw your image...amazing

[night mountain]

lmao yesgood

[barren zephyr]

but on the topic of genetics... look at my image

its a organic-metal hybrid

(enforcer looks it up)

they could make something similar to that to kill them?

[night mountain]

a dog could kill a velo but a human could also just kinda kick one of those to death

[vestal rune]

a dog could hunt dryos

[indigo sun]

You've made me imagine a person kicking the shit out of a velo

[lilac swallow]

Even dryos are bigger than wolves

[barren zephyr]

can we please talk about what i just said

[vestal rune]

size isn't everything

[lilac swallow]

I know

[vestal rune]

dryos are like, the size of cows

[night mountain]

id bet on the dryo

wait talk about what

[vestal rune]

actually dryos have claws don't they?

could probably kick a wolf and kill them lmao

tfw you can't even kill a dryo

[shell willow]

There was already talk about neuro spino being able to do that thing the bear did in Annihilation, mimic the calls of its last victim to lure more things into its jaws, like some kind of trick ass bitch

[night mountain]

i fucking LOVE that bear so yes absolute support

[vestal rune]

ye that was definetly planned in the past

[barren zephyr]

look at my image, its a organic-metal hybrid (enforcer look it up on google) they could make something similar to that to kill the dinosaurs, instead of bringing wolves onto the scene?

but then again, we don't know the level of tech that they are on

[night mountain]

I mean, yeah i guess some machine hybrid could kill a dinosaur but that doesn't seem like a route devs are going in

[shell willow]

transformers basically, let's just have the vehicles do the work

[barren zephyr]

lmao

[night mountain]

god no please transformers are furry bait too

[shell willow]

otherkin*

even worse

[barren zephyr]

ye, be awsome though, might make it too similar to ark though/ primal carnage

[vestal rune]

transformers are furry bait?

[barren zephyr]

oh my f god yes they are

[night mountain]

horrifyingly enough yes

[vestal rune]

[barren zephyr]

@valid flower how much food u gain from corpses is gonna be tied to weight so dilo doesnt give more than trike