that looks like cgi honestly
#general-feedback-discussion
coarse shell
night mountain
It is. It's from a tv commercial where they also clean a dudes mouth lmaoo
jovial blade
May be
Alot of articles say they do eat off crocodiles
Still could work with pteradon
night mountain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y90mF26bEw8 heres the full video
jovial blade
Wtf lol
Guess it is a myth
Still could work in the isle
They aren't known for being realistic
night mountain
Yeah but then the problem is it's going to probably just be more beneficial to eat the ptera
and if you lose affinity for eating it then you'd basically have deino not allowed to hurt pteras at all
night mountain
I mean yeah, that could mechanically work I guess
i'd probably use it as an emergency food backup plan though lol
barren zephyr
ccbot04Today at 7:28 PM
give carnivores and herbivores the same color pallet its stupid that wasnt there to begin with
^^^ This
Needs to happen
shell willow
^^^^ the herbi colors are so diverse and allow for so many different combos and pretty skins.. that dark aqua green on herbis is gorgeous with carno 5 and other lighter shades, it's a shame we can't use them on carnis
the amount of times I've run into a near clone of myself as a carnivore is awful, and also understandable because there are rarely any other decent skins
jolly willow
Fix the dilo & sucho colors first. 
They're not selectable. If you choose something off of their default you can't re-pick it. You reset.
But yeah, all colors should be shared.
crimson phoenix
yea, the dilo colors are some of my favorites
night mountain
yesss all colors please
barren zephyr
@deep notch i posted something similar in #401465476661641217 rex, giga and trike r the most obvious dinosaurs with broken hitboxes :/
it really sucks, cus ik alot of utah mains used to hunt apexes and keep the population balanced but now the hitbox is just all over the place
deep notch
mmhm :/
grand brook
The hitboxes, specially the giga's are very broken indeed. However this idea that utahs keep apex pops balanced is not exactly true, they can hunt them and succeed but it doesn't change their numbers much. For every apex that is hunted at any stage of their growth 3 or more will survive, and if they die they will most likely pick an apex juvie to grow again.
barren zephyr
true, tho even utahs pick of juvies sometimes aswell, might just be me throwing a false positive label on these lil dinosaurs xD
i just want the hitbox to be fixed
grand brook
Their numbers can only be trully controlled by a difficult growth. And many utahs would rather camp certain spots, nesting and feeding on ai that actually going out there and explore and find said juvies.
barren zephyr
giga is supposed to be a persistent hunter , track down prey and kill them. his built for that.
barren zephyr
i dont think gigas asscheeks should be able to bite things behind it tho
umbral prairie
stahp with that anky bb stuff
current bb is fucked
with the new bb, sure, but the bb rihgt now is just dumb
mental sleet
@formal vine do you know what the recode is ?
formal vine
Yes I know
mental sleet
So why are you suggesting that they fix hitboxes
lilac swallow
Not to mention anky is an irrelevant sandbox dino
mental sleet
when they have already stated that the recode will fix it ?
Legendary, they were doing a sandbox balance pass
or are, post recode.
umbral prairie
I kinda hope for anky in survival
lilac swallow
But right now they arent balancing sandbox dinos right?
umbral prairie
right now it wouldn't be that special
formal vine
They will fix hitboxes right?
umbral prairie
yeah
mental sleet
they will improve optimization
formal vine
Hmm
mental sleet
decreasing lag
lilac swallow
Anky for survival pls
mental sleet
less lag = better hitboxes
formal vine
What about that rubberbanding?
umbral prairie
also better hitboxes = better hitboxes
mental sleet
it will help with a lot of the lag related problems
jovial blade
@lethal wren Hypo carno is unique for using its horns
Carnos using their horns would take away from that
lilac swallow
Carno horns are tiny what you expect it to use with them
jovial saddle
Carno horns are useless and stubby
indigo sun
Carno horns are about as useful as its arms. It cant do anything with them
lethal wren
Bleed.
Then why he has the Horns, like getting the Females or Scare other Carnivore.
umbral prairie
maybe they wrestled while pushing their heads against each other or sth
or the horns were for dominance display
grand brook
if they ever add intraespecific battles between dinosaurs of the same species maybe carnos would use their heads and horns to figh each other
grand brook
maybe in the future, but if they are making "finishing moves" for some dinosaurs, i can't see why they wouldn't try to make fights among your species more interesting
grand brook
that would be a good idea...if not for the fact that we have barely any clue when it will be done
indigo sun
um @glossy tangle why on earth does giga's bite need to be buffed? It's not a brawler like rex and does not need higher damage. In fact, the general consensus is that it needs to be nerfed in order for it to properly fulfill its bleeder role.
barren zephyr
yeah ik it is 50/50 with allo against para it is pretty fair since they both take the same time to grow
ionic comet
Haha no, any pred with a brain can solo para. Para relies on their opponent to be a noob
and their stam regen sucks, bleed regen sucks and have one of the worst trot speeds
lilac swallow
Para is faster than anything that can kill It easy
Only carnis faster than para are carno cerato dilo and utah and these 4 are weak as fuck
ionic comet
nah you can actually die to those too because of para's sucky hitboxes
lilac swallow
Para is just hard to play
violet magnet
doesn't the kick have a delayed hitbox...?
like it only hits toward the end of the animation?
lilac swallow
Just z walk and your hitbox is Closer to the ground
violet magnet
juvie para is painfully slow
lilac swallow
Juvie para is indeed a pain
But adult is pretty solid
I have had a para who suirvived 2 months
barren zephyr
the problem is no plays para but sometimes it is because maia is stronger every way of a para
compact coyote
then the option isnt to buff para but nerf maia
like, maia is way too strong for what it is
lilac swallow
Maia is boosted but people cry less than with other boosted dinos because maia is small
viral creek
Maia and para are pretty different actually.
lilac swallow
Yeah
barren zephyr
most ppl want para speed buff to be faster than an a dilo they just want to kill everything
viral creek
Maia = Offensive hit n run
Para = Defensive tank.
(kinda)
Both are good in their own ways, in terms of combat. And both are fully capable of escaping legitimate threats,
So I don't see the issue.
lilac swallow
I still think Maia needs a turn nerf, maia is almost better carno than carno
brittle bough
a pair of paras (me and amigo) managed to ward off 3 carnos long enough for them to give up, so eh?
barren zephyr
feel like para just get a some what a stamina regen buff that is all the buff i see getting
viral creek
People think para sucks because he is absolutely terrible when played offensively.
He's actually really darn strong on the defense.
barren zephyr
^
lilac swallow
Para should be played almost like a huge galli, allways run unless they are faster than you
Then you stand your ground
brittle bough
when you have to fight, it kind of requires the trike approach of "wait for them to come to you" rather than run after them, except being agile enough to evade a bit unlike trike lul
viral creek
The only real poor matchup for para is large allo packs, cause allos have that absurd ambush.
brittle bough
people wanna play herbis offensively, but then they brush right past diablo lol
spiral pond
The thing with para vs allo is all about if allo has 2 brain cells and ambushes you, pulls back and heals, repeat and you will bleed out
viral creek
False.
spiral pond
Why
viral creek
If the para plays defensively the allo will get a good ol kick in the face.
Which does a ton of damage.
Para also has really great bleed resistence.
spiral pond
You need 3 kicks to kill allo
Allo heals rather quickly
Uh how much bleed does allo do to para in 1 bite ?
viral creek
Haven't tested.]
barren zephyr
Honestly have no idea why people are complaining about Para. Me and Clair played Para and made it all the way to adult and wandered around bored trying to get killed and still couldn’t die
viral creek
But para's bleed res is really good.
spiral pond
It is
But it only makes you last longer to bleeding out
Cause of the abysmal bleed heal
viral creek
I will assure you that 99.9% of allo players do not have that kind of patience.
barren zephyr
We played it bc we heard it was the worst and thought it would be exciting to play something that’s supposedly useless and dies easy. Not easy enough apparently
Walked around making a whole bunch of noise too
spiral pond
Juvi para is easy to grow
lilac swallow
Para was useless but now is pretty solid
spiral pond
It’s eh
lilac swallow
Everything is easy to grow right now
languid ember
if para should get any buffs bleed heal is the only one i can think of
languid ember
it might have really good rez, but 3 standing and 6 sitting? that's just a big oof
languid ember
it's been 3/6 for a very long time, not seen any changes to it in patch notes
spiral pond
I tested it once
viral creek
Para is still really good in the right hands.
spiral pond
It’s 8 sitting
viral creek
Personally.
spiral pond
It can be
viral creek
I think bleed heal should be higher across the board.
Nobody likes to sit down healing for ages.
languid ember
it's harder to stack bleed on apexes, so them having low bleed heal in general is fine imo
viral creek
Maybe it could be like... Bleed heal is raised across the board while sitting.
Bleed heal will stay the way it is in every other area.
sick crescent
I don’t know why bleeders do so well against bleed
barren zephyr
friendly fire.
brittle ivy
@ionic comet @subtle adder If you’re going to propose buffs for a dinosaur you’ll need to include a reason as to why. Additionally, including input on balance changes in order to build the foundation for your proposition is helpful. Simply stating ‘buff para’ is not helpful in the least and your suggestions have been removed until you both have fleshed them out.
sick crescent
Para doesn’t need raw buffs, however it could use more stamina regeneration and bleed heal.
The current bleed heal is just too unnecessarily slow
Sure, good bleed res, but not the best.
Plus Para doesn’t deal bleed to begin with
brittle ivy
I’m not discussing this, warning only.
brittle ivy
If you have a suggestion, throw it in the proper channel and then discuss it.
sick crescent
Really curious to see how Para is after the recode
With the reworked systems and stats
brittle ivy
brittle ivy
brittle ivy
It’s cool
brittle ivy
@glossy tangle Please read the recently pinned message in #general-feedback and resubmit when your suggestion meets criteria.
limpid dove
@formal vine Not sure if anyone already told you but once the recode is finished, there will be a completely new system related to the sky. Dondi teased it on his stream a few days ago - the clouds have depth and are pretty much actual clouds. The sky is much more realistic and just looks overall nicer. Here's a clip: https://www.twitch.tv/thedondi/clip/SquareSmoothVelociraptorBatChest
Just gotta give it time.
waxen elk
night mountain
what was the whole deal with that anyway I wasn't around?
sounds like SUCH a shitshow and im bummed I missed it
blazing charm
@burnt wasp I believe this is planned to be an option, there's a screenshot of a temporary solution. Though I keep forgetting to save it. If you could give me a few minutes I can go dig it up
Also no idea why your suggestion has a giant blank space
Don't have the screenshot but here.
dinosauriac03/24/2019
@Feralkyn Find the folder-
C/Users/Username/Appdata/Local/TheIsle/Saved/Config/WindowsNoEditor
(Appdata tends to be a hidden folder, in case it's not visible for you)
Add the following two lines to the Engine.ini file:
[Audio]
UnfocusedVolumeMultiplier=1.0
That should keep the game sound playing when it's not focused. We'll hopefully be making it a setting in the options menu further down the line.
burnt wasp
Ah I was not aware of that......Idk why the blanks there either
finite perch
re: latest suggestion
while its not working properly currently (?) calls should still absolutely be filtered / decay over distance, even after the recode. yes it makes it harder for people to learn calls, but it rewards people who are actually actively and critically thinking about the ambience. filter good
honestly finding things via sound is the only reason why ive played the isle recently, as few games rely on audio cues this heavily and i find it rewarding
limpid dove
@thorny lynx iirc, there will be new footstep sounds and will be varied as they are right now. once the recode is done i'm sure it'll be adjusted.
new stego animation showcase displays the new footprint sounds, or at least that's what it sounds like. from there we can somewhat safely assume there are new footstep sounds - let alone the ones we have right now are very old and.. kind of.. e h
wouldnt be surprised if they change the sounds. i'm sure they're working on a lot of stuff during the recode, even little things like the footstep sounds.
night mountain
I've never gotten why footsteps are so loud always
like even elephants dont sound like a car bouncing over 1,000 garbage bags
thorny lynx
x'D
violet magnet
why do none of these streamers turn on their fucking nightvision
i'd like to see the allo animations and see what you mean about them being different but it's nighttime in the game and i can't see a gahtdang thing
wintry cipher
I half suspect its gamma and the recording isnt picking it up.
But at the same time it IS easier to catch silhouettes moving in the dark if you dont have nv on
steady cradle
would the Deinonychus ever be added?
violet magnet
m'kay later in the video it gets light and i can see
.....the animations look the same imo
just the IK messed them up
deep bolt
@whole heron I think that's good....cause some 3 calls kind of just scream IM HERE so some sort of warning would be nice.......also mating be cool ( 40 upvotes 35 downvotes)
lilac swallow
About mating, you really want to see 2 dinos fucking? Because i dont
paper oriole
I mean people already do it with crouch or sniff spam lol
lilac swallow
Fucking paleozoophilia
paper oriole
Pretty sure its done for shits and giggles 95% of the time
grand brook
scalies get out my game reeeee
whole heron
I mean I feel like seduction or mating calls would be useful to a degree
run around screaming: I GOT A NICE TAIL- LADIES LINE UP
brittle bough
spore mating animations or bust
grand brook
if males are to become necessary for reproduction in the game, I assume it will be done by the first male who puts food in the nest or something like that
whole heron
Still for mock purposes- a mating display or call would be amusing
lilac swallow
If? Thats a sure they will
brittle bough
a mating call for males would be kinda amusing, especially for the raptors, given how prone birds are to screaming for smash
whole heron
^
paper oriole
Mating calls could be used to establish a patriarch so not any male can fertilize anybodys eggs maybe? Not sure how thatd work but idk
whole heron
Honestly it would just be an aesthetic aspect more so than a useful mechanic
brittle bough
aye
paper oriole
Maybe a mating dance
whole heron
I just like the idea of running after someone screaming: BEKKY LEMME SMASH
I already do that with theri 2 calls chasing down everything with love
paper oriole
Instead of dinos fucking and or screaming
brittle bough
eh, a dance would take more effort to make, id be satisfied with just a good ole smash call
grand brook
specially since some dinos are a bit big to a dance
brittle bough
on april fools, have the mating calls be replaced with "becky lemme smesh"
whole heron
It'd be amusing though- a fun aspect with some dinosaurs is that they have these displays, or bright colourful plumage to show that they can survive, and have survived with these faults
Or extra baggage
Which is a bird thing- but funny non-the-less
grand brook
i'm just saying I don't see a trike doing an elaborate dance plausible
paper oriole
A theri male shaking his big fat feather package at the females
whole heron
Bucks smack their antlers against bushes/trees
brittle bough
hey, we dont know how dinosaurs acted lul, dont diss the trikes
whole heron
The noise can draw in females apparantly
grand brook
it's the laws of physics that diss the trikes
brittle bough
oh, antler smacking could be a thing, yeah
attack a tree and make it go THOK instead of a mating call
grand brook
real combat using horns, as in not goring the ass of your rival like it is now, could be an interesting concept
whole heron
quck time events for interlocking horns lol
grand brook
perhaps
whole heron
Wanna pray you got good ping
I think Dondi was mentioning a mini-game aspect to fishing, perhaps something similar could be implemented for ceratops battles.
But it seems like a rather big effort for something most people won't play or just for a specific use
brittle bough
eh, perhaps as a later thing
grand brook
i mean it's essentially placing two players against each other, perhaps triggering a sort of quick time event, but they need to be aligned properly
tbh, body colission and locational damage will make fights more interesting, specially if ceratops heads become the part of the body that gets the least damage
it won't be perfect but at least it will not be bloodfest
woven horizon
I think the dilophosaurus should get a new model. I am not saying this model is bad, but I just would feel better with a new model. Here are some suggestions if you actually do make one: Maybe make the neck a tiny bit shorter, make the head and crest larger and make the whole thing a tiny bit bigger.
grand brook
wrong channel, this goes to suggestions
also to your proposal of a new model, what it needs it's some proper retexturing for the scales to be a bit more visible and detailed like other more new models
other than that I wouldn't change anything
blazing charm
@stray cloak Not sure if this is still planned, so apologies if this is super outdated.
But I believe there's a planned mechanic where your character is "airdropped" in via crate and you can roughly steer yourself to land in a certain spot.
stray cloak
Ooh, I like that
blazing charm
Again, not sure if that's still planned.
stray cloak
Hopefully it is
grand brook
so...wait are dinos delivered via plain ?
umbral prairie
that was the idea behind it, yes
or via helicopter, idk
that would actually add another advantage to nesting since your spawnpoint won't be seen when nested, while normally spawning does because of the falling crate.
vestal rune
@steady cradle sweated teeth?
steady cradle
shit sorry auto correct
vestal rune
also allo already has good bleed, he's a bleeder after all
steady cradle
was on my phone
vestal rune
serrated?
vestal rune
also, cera's not really meant to be a powerful dinosaur, its strengths lie in his ability to survive and not from being a brawler
grand brook
cera is essentially supossed to be a bully/predator of small tiers and perhaps in packs being able to be a problem to other carnivores
scavenger in nature
stray cloak
I came across a person using gpu gamma correction on their steam while they were hunting me. It's pretty crazy they can do that.
fading shadow
@steady cradle lol sweated teeth
umbral prairie
that is why they don't have lips
because even when outside and with wind the teeth are still too warm
stray cloak
That sounds like a really nice way of saying they drool
finite perch
@pulsar lake not sure if someone has already told you this, but it was attempted a long timr ago but was difficult to implement / more problems than it was worth. hopefully they will re-attempt it with the recode, but for now it is shelved
brittle ivy
@inland osprey Please do not discuss suggestions in the #general-feedback channel, use this one instead.
inland osprey
@brittle ivy Oh very sorry shan't happen again.
grand brook
@valid zephyr the way you write sounds almost like they are businessmen
vestal rune
@barren zephyr the derma strain isn't a cannon thing...
barren zephyr
Cannon thing?
vestal rune
you're acting like we're missing a spot for the strains, and that the derma strain is a well known thing that's the same as hypo or neuro
and it's not, the devs didn't design it
barren zephyr
But they could possibly
vestal rune
they won't
random knoll
But why would it even be there
umbral prairie
they have tisso, neuro and hyper
vestal rune
ye...
random knoll
The other strains are there for lore
barren zephyr
Tel me when you think of a hypo you think of the hypo rex right?
umbral prairie
why would they do a rotting dino strain
random knoll
It has no place
vestal rune
I think of the hyper strain
including hyper carno, hyper rex, hyper giga, hyper spino, hyper utah ect
random knoll
I think of wide mouth
vestal rune
big rocky bois which are really hungry
barren zephyr
Allright now think of the derma strains as the ones made to kill the hypos
When they went out of control
umbral prairie
which don't exist
random knoll
We already have one
barren zephyr
One
vestal rune
the whole point of hypo is that they don't have a weakness
barren zephyr
One
random knoll
It’s called a fuckign manga
vestal rune
they kill themselves
umbral prairie
and needing too much energy
barren zephyr
Magna basiclly the same
random knoll
Magna also kills them sometimes
umbral prairie
it isn't
vagrant crest
Magna is touted to be a slightly weaker, but sustainable strain.
barren zephyr
A derma wouldnt require food
random knoll
No
vestal rune
really, a dino that wouldn't require food?
barren zephyr
It would be built to die after completing its mission
umbral prairie
magna is weaker, but can sustain itself better, and has a tiny chance of killing a hyper (probably when it is weakened from hunger)
vestal rune
sounds boring
barren zephyr
Its a basiccly dead dino
umbral prairie
how would a constantly rotting and regenerationg dino not need food
random knoll
Then why have it
vestal rune
but why should it be ingame?
barren zephyr
I mean why should it not be a hypo killing made dino that would die after killing some hypos?
vestal rune
but hypos already die, on their own
umbral prairie
they are not needed
random knoll
It’s not needed
umbral prairie
again, hypers are very temporary
vestal rune
having some thing that's designed to kill hypos would be useless
random knoll
Hypos die out on there own
vestal rune
since they are very rare and quickly die
vagrant crest
Because the whole point of being a hyper is to a natural disaster that starves itself out.
umbral prairie
and a rotting dino not needing food won't do anything against hypers
barren zephyr
Alright i see yalls point in this matter
Its just a what if suggestion so calm down
umbral prairie
I'm sure nobody is angry here
vestal rune
a what if isn't a suggestion
ye
if you suggest something to the developer and don't put any thought into it then you should be criticized
vagrant crest
I took your suggestion as a personal attack on my character, bro
umbral prairie
just people trying to explain that derma might be a cool fan made concept, but doesn't fit into the main game
keen trail
^
vestal rune
something like a whole new strain would take a really large amount of resources to make, so they're needs to be a really good reason for it to be added
feel free to suggest it to the original artist if you wanna see a derm spino though
next nexus
@dry kiln you can space paragraphs out without submitting on discord by pressing "enter" while holding "shift".
night mountain
theyre probably working on slope stuff tbh
pulsar lake
I hope
night mountain
the funniest one is cama geckowalking up mountains
night mountain
lol
pulsar lake
It's not really a bug or a fix suggestion but a changement suggestion
It's how it's done and, it good to have it now, but if it's not finished, like sucho animation, it's a little pain when you see it.
thorny lynx
Sucho's walk is
wat
I swear to God, a juvie utah can trot faster than a sucho's walk
that's so damn sad.
feral wedge
And Hypers have never been injected and never will be. They appear occasionally, sure. But not actually injected.
night mountain
i mean, until they're in the actual game anyway
gonna get injected to hell at that point
pulsar lake
Sucho trot have an horrible speed and all sucho animation, except walk, are not great like rex, giga, allo, pachy, galli or someother dinosaurs.
still temple
Sucho's anims needs improvement
feral wedge
No.
Not injected
I don't think y'all understand the use of the word in the sense of the game's usage for it.
feral wedge
Injections are generally test populations that are inserted into survival servers to see how they do and to see if they would be viable.
Hypers are not going to be "added"
People will have to figure it out
So they will be rare.
At some point they will become possible to be "earned" in whatever way that it will be
night mountain
I still hope fish will work like current ai
i wanna play a catfish SO bad
hopes are up since the fish tech demo thing showed a "player controlled fish ai"
I will become salmon, ender of hypers
spice hull
Lmao
thorny lynx
What will happen once people 'figure' it out? Everyone's going to take the steps to become a hypo.
mental sleet
it is likely the devs will change the method.
spice hull
@wintry cipher yes! Lol explained better than me XD
pulsar lake
People ?
How I can think what you are ?
Did you like my suggestion or dislike it ?
wintry cipher
I think theyre agreeing with you the giga being sideways is bad.
vagrant crest
Makes you wonder if we just won't be able to walk up hills like that at some point
pulsar lake
You can climb it or walk up it but not like this
finite perch
i like the sleeping mechanic idea. horror is only scary when you are vulnerable, but at the same time i feel like the horror needs more building in order for sleeping to not just be a cheap way to die
blazing charm
Personally don't see much point in bringing Puerta back with Brachio coming in.
outer nebula
agreed they kinda fill the same niche and really dont have much difference between the two
blazing charm
Only major difference is the size.
outer nebula
yup
floral plover
Jaffad, Pue has been in this game since it came out, would be really sad to see something that's been in the game for a really long time to just be snatched and removed.
hallow vigil
ya it will be weird to have it gone
but i think brachi uses its same sounds so its not totally gone, just the model
which is super outdated in terms of quality, when compared to current survival models
like, the spikes on its back are just 2D textures, is vry gross
also the fact that its a TSL model of all things, and any TSL asset is tainted with "scam???" type attitudes
(tsl = the stomping lands)
jolly willow
Pue was left in the sandbox bin and for good reason. We ain't getting him. Ever.
night mountain
i just hate that brachi is replacing it but isn't even the same size
finite perch
Pue is way too huge and slow to not be 1. boring to play and 2. be hugely op
brachi is a better fit
leaden night
OP is a bit irrelevant going by how both were planned to be AI only
night mountain
i mean pue is boring you got me there
floral plover
Pue is not boring to anyone, and Brachio should get it's own Noises instead of puerta's
Pues been a big part of the game, removing it is just stupid imo.
Removing any dino thats been in the game from the beginning is stupid.
brittle bough
whew, im glad that you have the sudden awareness to decide what others find boring
brittle bough
i tried pue exactly once and it was dreadfully boring imo
maybe instead of making it ai/replacing it/keeping it/etc they can add a pue skeleton embedded in the ground somewhere to honor it lol
deep bolt
I'll miss pue
But it depends what server you play
As in.nycta our is free for patreons so i always req food and water top up when my Pues hunger falls to 0
That way I roam the lands looking majestic and chunky
north hemlock
nycta is literal trash tbh
graceful hazel
You’re not wrong
zinc void
wheezing
night mountain
idk it can be nice sometimes since its not a bunch of herbi murder 24/7
valid zephyr
@formal vine I completely agree. Herbis should continue to be allowed to mix. Currently carnis are much more popular than herbis, and removing one of the few things herbis have would mean even less people play them.
grand brook
you underestimate both dinosaurs, maias and dibble both are very viable on their own
para a bit less so
but they don't NEED trikes
brittle bough
i survive so long on maia that i get bored, theyre certainly viable lol, just run from your problems like youre supposed to
grand brook
unless they are utahs or dilos, beat them to a pulp then
valid zephyr
half the fun with herbis is having a nice mixed herd. If you can only mix with same species, they have no reason to pick over carnis.
it's a more social experience
brittle bough
yeah, herds are social/team gameplay while carnis are more solo/dm gameplay
brittle bough
yeah, some carnis are social (dilo/utah/etc) but maybe its just my unsocial ass but i swear on everything else im alone 90% of the time lol
i think instead of forbidding mix-herding for trikes, itd possibly suffice to just lower the amount you can have in a mix herd
maybe adults just dont tolerate each other in their territory so there can only be one per mix herd or something
but tbh i think people are a liiittle excessively upset over trike, dibble is quite viable as well with how fast the damn thing is
grand brook
it's not just you, i play sucho almost always solo, dilo depending on what prey I'm after but for the most the part solo aswell
i wouldn't complain to have more dibble players
valid zephyr
suchos seem to beat dibbles pretty comfortably
valid zephyr
yeah. when nesting it's harder though
grand brook
that's when you and your herd stand your ground
valid zephyr
7 suchos wiped 3 dibbles and 3 subtrikes despite 2 adult trikes guarding. suchos are amazing in combat
brittle bough
tbh if you hide your nest well, most carnivores wont even look for it to my experience, so as long as your hatchies arent dumb enough to waddle out during a threat you should be able to run away and lose the sucho as it chases you
valid zephyr
herbis get really cocky with trikes near. they will just nest in the open and get eaten. it's one reason why i think trike mixherding isn't too bad
brittle bough
lul
grand brook
well i've never seen 7 suchos at once tbh
brittle bough
me neither, at most i saw 2 adults a and a few hatchies/juvis, before they were promptly obliterated by a pack of 4 carnos
grand brook
they are not particularly common so i've never seen packs of them that size
valid zephyr
i've never seen that many either before. max previously was 3
they're so vulnerable to apexes as rexes and gigas swim/run faster
though with 7 I reckon they could beat a solo apex
grand brook
you're one key advantage is hiding well and camouflaging on murky water
brittle bough
if you get enough of anything itll kill effectively lol, but suchos "killing dibbles comfortably" in that situation aint a point for dibbles being weak
valid zephyr
yeah suchos should beat dibbles 1v1 imo. they're slower and larger
grand brook
specially since dibbles usually don't encounter suchos since most suchos tend to stick to the swamps
brittle bough
aye, hide your nest well and dont park RIGHT on the bank of some murky water and you should have a fairly good time as a herbi, since hiding your nest then laying on said nest will mean youre hidden as well if youve placed it good
dont be a sheeple and follow the masses of herbis placing their nests in the open out of cockiness lul
(or if you do, at least dont be shocked at whatever happens)
valid zephyr
yeah they just assume that due to trikes being there, they can't be threatened. then when the trike takes its juvie for a walk the carnis swoop in and eat the herbis which are left standing there.
brittle bough
i could agree with cockiness if theyve got a fairly good reason to be cocky, like in another server i played we had a handful of adult trikes, a therzi, two camas, and a stego, so there were some moderate defenses at least lmao
valid zephyr
I don't often see herds that big on official. couple of adult trikes usually, with maybe a few dibbles or paras. they can't be in enough places at once to protect everyone
brittle bough
aye, 's why i said another server- it was unofficial, so thats why there were non-survivals. it was mostly those lads making up the bulk of it, then a few paras and couple of maias, plus obligatory bundle of gallis. on officials that isnt an option, so git gud and hide your nest and dont be bright cheeto orange so you might blend in a little
or, if nothing else, at least get an army of dibbles
grand brook
hire dibble mercenaries
barren zephyr
@floral plover
Apexes would NEVER be able to kill large adult sauropods
NEVER.
Your remark angers about anyone with a few brain cells
stop underestimating sauropods just because they dont have any fancy stuff like sharp teeth or spikes, their entire body is a weapon and could be really devastating when used against a theropod.
its only "possible" if in large packs
barren zephyr
and luck to not being swatted, stomped, rammed, trampled, kicked or whipped aside.
brittle bough
dont most depicted realistic sauropod hunts focus on the young/weak of the herd, thats probably for a reason lol
barren zephyr
for a very obvious reason i just listed
brittle bough
indeed, almost as though i was agreeing with you
barren zephyr
yep
umbral prairie
@void crown ideally the amount of dinos will be regulated by how hard growing and sustaining them will be at some point, not by using server limits
for example apexes are far too common atm
way too easy to afk grow, and way too easy to sustain because of how AI works
and because of the big group limit many servers have for them
but those things will most likely changed, and at least the apex population will get decreased, just by how the game will work, not with set limits. It could still be a nice feature for non-official servers to have though, so they can better structure their server how they want it to be
void crown
Yea you're completely right. Most of the servers I play on it can actually get pretty difficult to starve your dinosaur, lmao.
And yes, it might work better as just little server settings for non official servers, just to keep it as realistic as possible. Because even in servers with little AI spawnings, I've had to run from massive herds of rexes who would just sacrifice one of their own for food when needed, and then spawn right back in.
grand brook
we literally have that already
it's called Walking with Dinosaurs
not the show, it's the name of the server
void crown
Thanks for letting me know : )
I'll check it out
umbral prairie
If I got it right it is more about having actual in game limits, not some discord rules
grand brook
it's the closest thing to what you have described as far as I'm aware
umbral prairie
which is what I'm guessing they have
grand brook
sure, but i'd rather keep the main game free and have it based on server rules so you can have all the options
so if you want no rules you get no rules, and if you want realism you can have realism
void crown
Oh no, of course if the server host doesn't want to set any limits on the dinos, they don't have to
And there are definitely servers that would keep it that way
It'd just be an extra added buff for realism servers
It could also be used for events
umbral prairie
if they implemented it (which isn't very likely) it would definitely be an optional setting to choose a limit for each species
void crown
I mostly play on One in a Box, but you definetely do not get the most realistic gameplay there
So I'll most certainly try out that server, thanks ^^
floral plover
@barren zephyr Yet again we have Hypos here hello did u forget that, I never understimated sauropods, I'm saying make them killable this is a game, not real life.
Hard to kill yes
Sub adult ones should medium difficulty.
barren zephyr
They are fucking fictional fucking goddamn strains literally made to kill entire ecosystems
stop being so obvious
but NO
apexes shouldnt be fighting large sauropods.
lilac swallow
Even if is a game, an slow mountain of unhideable Dino shouldnt be killed because some apex Guy felt like killing
And the fucking "we have hypos" having hypos doesnt mean shit
When i see godzilla i dont expect real animal to be different even if "we have godzilla"
vestal rune
maybe a fully grown specimen of the larger species shouldn't be killable by apexes
umbral prairie
isn't it planned to have brachi be giga food though
finite perch
to addend: trample damage is due to be re-added. each footstep from a dinosaur will do damage. even if the sauropod doesnt hit its stomps/whips, it can kill an apex carnivore with absolute ease. nothing can survive being stood on by the heaviest land animals to exist
umbral prairie
or does that not count ads big sauropod
finite perch
brachi at least cant walk someone to death
vestal rune
but I'm fairly sure giga is planned to be a sauropod killer of some sort, in fact I recall one of its mechanics to be to rip chunks of flesh off
ye I believe it was
though tbh I doubt 1 giga would be able to take one down
umbral prairie
nah it would have to be like 3 or more imo
vestal rune
ye
finite perch
it could if it can topple it over, falls are lethal to sauropods
thats why allos grapple would do well against camas at least
umbral prairie
maybe once they lower the max apex pack size giga packs will be allowed to temporarily work together to bring down a brachi
vestal rune
ye
umbral prairie
although they might just kill each other either instead of killing the brachi or after the kill to get the food for themselves
finite perch
it was suggested once that affinity could lift its limits when near sauropods / sauropod corpses so that it could act like a whalefall, but it was ultimately considered abusable
after all why not just chill w. the sauropods all the time.. 🤔
umbral prairie
cuz ur gonna starve if you don't kill it
if AI spawns will get changed to be less stupi
d
or maybe just increase the time many gigas are allowed to be near each other
finite perch
people are suggesting ai herds instead of random spawns, so i can see it working eventually
finite perch
id suggest it at this point. sounds interesting
because i had a fear of brachi situations ending like party fields/party plains/party areas. i really cant stand em
barren zephyr
@finite perch
You anger my braincells.
what kind of bullshit is this
how is a giga going to fucking topple a FUCKING BRACHIO over
umbral prairie
wtf topple
vestal rune
calm down holy shit
barren zephyr
how is a 6 ton theropod gonna topple a 30+ ton sauropod
umbral prairie
who said that
barren zephyr
Fraidy did
vestal rune
"it could if it can topple it over, falls are lethal to sauropods"
jolly willow
lol
barren zephyr
but it cant topple it over
vestal rune
not DRAG TO THE GROUND
barren zephyr
its impossible
vestal rune
scare it off a cliff?
jolly willow
expecting realism in this game still
barren zephyr
a brachi isnt gonna be scared off a fucking lone giga
vestal rune
how do you know?
jolly willow
he lived with them clearly
vestal rune
and this is more of a circumstance
barren zephyr
because a brachi is still a way larger creature
umbral prairie
a brachi isn't going to be scared because it is AI
barren zephyr
i wish people finally stop thinking that sauropods were fucking fodder.
jolly willow
LMAO
umbral prairie
nobody thinks that
vestal rune
they don't?
jolly willow
so angry
vestal rune
wtf lmao
barren zephyr
i am angry because of Fraidy
umbral prairie
what are you talking about, the idea is that with much work 3 or more gigas could bleed a brachi out or rip some meat off of it
vestal rune
about how sauropod interaction and combat could potentially work
vestal rune
never said
barren zephyr
you are ignoring your own point
vestal rune
"it could if it can topple it over, falls are lethal to sauropods"
they never said they would be able to do that, it's a fucking hypothetical
jolly willow
ok but like what if instead of wasting energy on toppling it over it just like.
grabs it.. by the neck?
jolly willow
LOL
umbral prairie
giga doesn't reach brachi neck tho
vestal rune
ponk lol
jolly willow
jesus christ man stop taking the meme game so seriously
vestal rune
how the fuck is it meant to grab its neck?
barren zephyr
Theropod players needs some brainwashing
jolly willow
i dont remember how fuckin tall giggity is alright
vestal rune
fair enough
umbral prairie
also what would giga do with that neck
jolly willow
ok so then what does a giga do to a brachi other than stuff its facehole into the side
vestal rune
damn, poor theris
umbral prairie
nothing
vagrant crest
Brachi goes in for a drink > Giga hiding in the water: I've beeen waiting days to GRAPPLE this neck"
barren zephyr
"lets make it so sauropods are total fucking fodder to apexes just because they are herbivores duurrrr"
umbral prairie
it stuffs it's face into the side and then waits
steady cosmos
more like deinosuchus does that vralen lol
vestal rune
no one's saying that
jolly willow
@barren zephyr go take a fucking nap holy shit
barren zephyr
trampled
jolly willow
you are taking this way too seriously
vagrant crest
naw mid this would be a special giga
vestal rune
we're suggesting that large packs of apexes and hypos should stand a chance of taking one down
jolly willow
this isnt ultra realism simulator this is a game where dinosaurs ghost through eachother
vagrant crest
A brachi slaying giga
barren zephyr
i'm gonna take it seriously unless people finally see sauropods as a difficult prey and not just a mountain of free meat
vestal rune
zipping around with 2 grappling hooks
vestal rune
no one's saying it's easy prey?
jolly willow
bc literally what does the giga do
other than bite it normally
theres no neck grabbing theres no toppling it over
so whats the fuckin point lol
just. bite it.
vestal rune
we're saying that packs of apexes and hypos should stand a chance
vestal rune
the 2 most powerful forces on the server that's allowed
jolly willow
a pack of gigas will munch brachi
vagrant crest
They're talking about how it could be killed?
Want a brachi that's invulnerable to everything?
That's a terrible idea for a game
vestal rune
they won't?
jolly willow
considering trample would be in, i dont think the brachi would be so easy for a lone giga
theyll get squashed
tail whipped
vestal rune
a brachi just could put it's tail to them and be safe
barren zephyr
it actually should be impossible for a lone giga to take on a lone adult brachi
jolly willow
ok but like how about we wait until the AI's even out so we see if its a dumb fuck or not
vestal rune
3-4 I'd expect
vestal rune
5 is too big of a group
vestal rune
nah, I'd say atleast 3 is necessary
jolly willow
well we cant fuckin tell until its actually out now can we
vestal rune
so you're able to take bites without it easily defending you
jolly willow
guess so
vestal rune
ye I'm saying how it should be
plus, 2 apexes being able to get a mountain of food would be ridiculous
jolly willow
mhm
vestal rune
definetly a high risk high reward for a group
barren zephyr
really high risk
if its like this i cant wait to see theropod players literally whining their shitty fucking theropods cant take on something 30x their size by themselves
vestal rune
what's with your hate for theropod players? lmao
also say carnivore, theris aren't gonna be out there complaining they can't eat brachis
barren zephyr
i only have problems with theropod players that act like herbis are 100% supposed to be free food
especially sauropods
shell willow
tfw theri is a theropod
barren zephyr
it is though?
finite perch
@barren zephyr directly previous to saying that falls are lethal i was saying sauropods are LITERALLY UNHUNTABLE
vestal rune
same with galli
barren zephyr
Therizinosaurus is literally on the suborder Theropoda
finite perch
the trample, the two attacks, the size, moving in herds? im the last person to say brachi is a walking steak
vestal rune
ye, we're not saying it isn't? lmao
barren zephyr
Okay now you got my respect Fraidy and i am truly sorry for losing it
i still wanna make a point fire
shell willow
Sauropods like brachi should be killable but it should be really hard to do so... if 3 gigas try to take down a brachi, a giga or two probably has to die in return for the sheer amount of food a brachi would provide, but by then you wouldn't even need all that food because your packmates are dead 
finite perch
respectfully, i should not have to earn it to begin with, we are talking about video games
vestal rune
if the gigas are highly skilled I think they should be able to do it with no losses
vestal rune
ye
jolly willow
And it wouldnt take much to kill one of the gigas
night mountain
Brachi is going to HAVE to be near unkillable if its ai otherwise the apex population will skyrocket to entirely new heights
vestal rune
that's why they have to be highly skilled, to not get hit
night mountain
can you imagine how many gigas would be around if brachis were even halfway common ai and werent horribly hard to kill?
vestal rune
I imagine by the time brachi is releases measures will be in place to reduce apex populations
mostly by making it actually hard to become one...
umbral prairie
I hope the trike herd limit stays at 4-5 when the other apexes get reduced to three if trike won't be able to mixherd anymore
jolly willow
Trike group is going to stay at 5 yeah
umbral prairie
or trike will get buffed a lot with locational and collision
jolly willow
Giga and Rex will be 3
shell willow
or we can just talk about the suggestion how apexes should be unlockable and not playable to grow right from the start
umbral prairie
nice
jolly willow
Ehhh
night mountain
reeeeeeeeeeee no i need my deino
jolly willow
I don't particularly like the idea of unlockable apexes.
Rather than locking them away you could just..
Make them actually difficult to grow
vestal rune
ye
vestal rune
I'd much rather that
jolly willow
That's already one down.
vestal rune
honestly confused as to why they added that in the first place lol
barren zephyr
who doesnt hate the paranoid feel you get when an ava pops out of nowhere near your herbi
vestal rune
is it a crutch for people on lower populated servers or servers with little herbis?
shell willow
My juvie trike had to sneak past a huge juvie giga and I almost screamed when an ava ran past me
night mountain
have brachi do this to gigas
barren zephyr
ava spawning close means a hungry predator is close
shell willow
what the FUCK
finite perch
i agree with that, apexes should be harder to grow, but i still wish i could limit people from only ever playing apexes back to back to back
i feel its an element of the problem, but i agree in that it can be solved other ways rather than a limit
night mountain
I mostly apex but thats just cama
vestal rune
it would be rather infuriating wanting to get to adult, then having to play through a whole other dinosaur lifecycle when you die
it would be like progression
finite perch
i agree, its really not ideal at all
night mountain
just make them look really stupid so the scalies care about em less
bam problem fixed
vestal rune
force them to be fluorescent pink.
night mountain
slap feathers on rex and i guarantee the population goes down by 2/3rds overnight :^)
i literally saw rexs erping once
night mountain
one was on a rock and they were both crouched so it was like on top and they kept spamming f
shell willow
I was thinking unlockable by like, playing 1 of each class of carnivore to full-adulthood to unlock rexes, gigas, and all that.. Then after that, they're unlocked, and you can play it as much as you like on that server, but unlocking rexes/gigas on official 1 would still make you have to unlock rexes/gigas on official 2. People would have to actually spend time playing as other dinos and aren't jumping straight into being a big boy, and we would actually see other species of dinos and more diversity.
But other than that yeah I understand the other points and also agree
finite perch
👏 im likin it. thats 3 lives, and honestly? playing apex right out the gate has made many of my friends flat out quit the game due to difficulty/not knowing how the game works
the fact it unlocks entire categories is good. if it goes by tiers, youd only need to play 2 before unlocking apex
blazing charm
@dire hull Mind elaborating?
dire hull
Oh it was a joke nvm
vestal rune
troll suggestions are prohibited
brittle ivy
Troll suggestions get kicked.
jolly willow
@split wasp Pachy does take too long to grow, and does need a growth time buff. I would say give it dilo growth time (50 mins juvie, 60 minutes adult)
However the bigger issue is Maia, who takes less time than Pachy to grow which is incredibly odd
split wasp
Yeah that just dont make sense
split wasp
yeah
glad to see Im not the only one that feels like it takes too long to just get killed by a dilo
vagrant crest
How about carno then? 110mins to full adult also
split wasp
maybe it could be a little less but then again its stronger than a pachy and yet the pachy takes longer
jolly willow
@topaz sierra A limit on apex numbers will just make people angry. Instead of limiting the numbers of apexes directly, make them actually difficult to grow.
Unlockables stink and so would a limit
AI spawning near hungry carnis is temporary so I mean, that's already like one down.
prisma lily
counter argument: games have utilized unlockable content as a tangible sort of progression and way to set goals, allowing players to experience a learning curve before obtaining things that are both more powerful and require more dedication to use, which apexes arguably are. by having to work for these goals in a straightforward way, you give players an understandable gameplay loop of growth and getting stronger and more specialized with the dinos they are using.
this will also mean that apexes, which in-game are meant to be intimidating and impressive to see, will return to being that with the actual emphasis on proving you can both obtain and use them well, rather than an instantly usable powerful upgrade available from the start.
right now, simply putting caps on pack limits means that it will just be more numerous smaller packs of apexes, rather than actually changing the ratio of apexes to non-apex on a server. if you are unwilling to have unlocks, then a cap may become needed if gameplay doesn’t become adequately harsh on raising such large powerful dinos.
cyan flame
That would depend entirely on what the demands for an unlock is. If you force me to play x amount of critters or do y amount of things I simply do not find enjoyable, before I'm allowed to play as what I do want and how I do enjoy, I can't say that's very good gamedesign at all. Sure, you'll get your result, by basically saying that if I don't want to have a miserable time in the game, I don't get to enjoy the game either. And having cap is even worse, since it just ends up with "No, too many of x on the server, so you don't get to play at all", which means I don't get any gameplay at all in that case.
prisma lily
if you really refuse to play anything other than apex, that says more about both your priorities and the current mess with other dinosaur viability in gameplay than the unlocks themselves being bad.
cyan flame
So, even if I do, you then think it's fine to punish me?
Yeah, not sure what to say to that :p
prisma lily
other dinosaurs exist in the game for a reason and to insist the game is “unplayable” if you cannot instantly have apex is kind of laughable.
cyan flame
And if I do not enjoy any of those critters?
prisma lily
that’s a you problem lol
cyan flame
Do remember that I think you're supposed to enjoy the game you're playing
brittle bough
personally, for "unlocking" the dinosaurs all i really imagined asking was surviving to 100% adulthood on them. doesnt feel like a tall order imo
cyan flame
Maybe not, I still will not agree with for stated reasons
brittle bough
possibly doing so with good affinity, or something of that sort
prisma lily
yeah, i don’t want a repeat of old progression, where not only were the trees and points system busted, but you were way too harshly punished if you died at any time.
but a simple system that makes the tiers worthwhile and sensible, options available at all times with stronger ones available as you progress up, is what i hope for.
cyan flame
I don't think it's a good solution to force people to do things in a game they may not enjoy just to get something that they do enjoy, it's not really strange, but then I just have a different approach to it I suppose. I was never a fan of progression cause of the lack of full trees, so you'd go from playing one type of critter, to another, to a third, before getting the one you wanted to play, instead of having a full progression tree of similar critters, but in different stages of power
brittle bough
welll, assuming this is post-rework/recode where gameplay should be much better, thats just pure stubborness on your part if you wont budge from your apex pedestal even a little. makes me wonder what other games you play and how quickly you might use cheat codes because you dont want to work up from the basic abilities/items
cyan flame
Do you understand my viewpoint a bit better with that version Tratser?
My issue with progression was the lack of five stages of stegosaurs, rather than "unlocking" per say
brittle bough
i dont care about the old prog mode, that was pretty bad lmao
prisma lily
no, because it boils down to you feeling somehow cheated because the powerful upgrade you want isn’t in the first level instantly.
cyan flame
I don't like galli, or maia, but give me smaller stegosaurs, and I'd not mind "unlocking" them first before getting the actual stegosaurus
No, I feel "cheated" cause I'd get gameplay I do not like, rather than gameplay I do like
The power is irrelevant
You're focusing on the apex itself, I'm focusing on the playstyle it represents
prisma lily
if the other dinos feel like such a slog compared to apex, that is an issue with current gameplay then, and they need to become as fulfilling as apex are currently, which means re-tuning the battle meta.
cyan flame
You're entirely missing the point
Different critters = different styles
Thats part of the point of the survival mode
prisma lily
and they are still tiered.
cyan flame
They play differently, they play with different mindsets
And I may not like some of those styles
prisma lily
apexes are apex because they are a good portion stronger than all other tiers.
cyan flame
Thus, forcing me to play like that, is not fun, and should not be forced, irrespective of what the end result is supposed to be
brittle bough
many games start you off with a limited way of playing, which opens up as you progress
prisma lily
that sort of strength gap is typically not available from the get-go.
cyan flame
Yes but you're focusing on the power of the critter, I focus on the style of it :p
You think I want the apex for the power itself, you're not at all getting the point I'm trying to make ^^
brittle bough
i mean, if youre not gonna read what im saying and start being condescending then i wont bother i guess
cyan flame
I did read
I'm merely saying that you're missing what I'm getting at
You said I'm being stubborn and accused me of "cheating"
prisma lily
aaaand you are then ignoring the current consequence then of players having bazookas at all times, and saying your excuse is that you just like the one gun that causes explosions.
brittle bough
yes, because i didnt understand prior. now if you read what i said, i said styles
and ways
as in playstyles and ways of playing
i now comprehend you mean that maia and trike play differently, instead of their strength
brittle bough
i was starting to make a point but didnt get to finish, because you interrupted by being condescending with emotes and whatnot.
cyan flame
And well, Trat, I'd rather you start with a small bazooka then, but still a "bazooka" and not a different kind of weapon that functions and plays differently
Limited and different it not neccesarily the same thing
brittle bough
limited as in you start off with a few options, then get more options as you progress, options that youll come to favor over other ones
cyan flame
But yes, I do not approve of that neccesarily, I prefer to play in x way and rather just grow stronger, instead of getting vastly different options, since I've already decided what I wanted to be/do :p
prisma lily
you have other bully bruiser dinos already tho
they are different feeling yes which is the point
brittle bough
how, if youre a prospective new player, will you already know exactly what dinosaur you want to be without ever giving the others a chance?
prisma lily
a grenade launcher will not behave like a bazooka
prisma lily
just as a hand grenade is its own thing, they all blow up stuff tho
cyan flame
And really, trying things out is one thing, having to go through them to get something, is another
prisma lily
but thats how games work. the act of working for a thing you want.
cyan flame
Well yes Trat, and I prefer to do it one way, I'd rather not have to do the other five ways, even if they also "blow things up" per say, you could say all dinosaurs "just kill"
prisma lily
you want the big bazooka? learn the other guns so you can better handle it.
cyan flame
But it's a bit more than that
prisma lily
“i just like apex better cuz it feels vaguely nice in its style” its apex and will always be a different “style” and is currently a huge problem in both how wide of a gap there is with it in power with other dinos and how easy it is to obtain when it is supposedly meant to be special.
cyan flame
Yeah, I will not agee with that I think Trat, I get what you and Slate want, I think it's a bad design and would not be fun, and so I'd rather try and find other ways. The point of survival was to be able to play the critter you wanted at all time, and not have to go through x y and z before finally getting it. So, caps or "unlocks" are not things I like in a game. You're free to think that's just a "me problem", but I think I could say the same for your issues, seeings as I've no issue with the current apex pop xD
brittle bough
isnt sandbox to play what you want when you want to
cyan flame
I enjoy rex because of the pure ambush style, I favour carno for the mobility, I enjoy dryo for the cuteness and burrows, I enjoy para for the sounds and decent power/speed, and so on.
Eh, I don't see that 80% apexes, so no, I'm not trolling, I apparently simply do not run into all these apexes every so often that you do, if that's cause of different server or because I play differently, I don't know :p
brittle bough
then to work for these things would make one appreciate them more, and also make new players give the other playstyles a chance. again, assuming this is post-rework and theyre less shit
cyan flame
And yes, sandbox is for trying things out, being any stage, and all of that. But survival was made at least in part because of progression being "go through x or y to get what you then actually play as"
brittle bough
theres gonna be so many people who just go "i wanna be rex/utahraptor/trike cause those are the cool ones!" and skip everything else
and shockingly enough, devs do want you to play all parts of their game generally
cyan flame
Of course there are, and there'll probably be people playing the other things as well for the same reason
I favour the stego over the trike because stegos are amazing, never did care for the trike all that much xD
True, but I imagine they might want me to play it cause I enjoy it.. :p
brittle bough
are there no other games you play with an ability unlocking system at all?
shell willow
How about we say it like this:
If you want to be a commercial airliner pilot, you don't just hop on an Airbus or a Boeing 777 because you like the style of flying that much more than you like the style of flying a virtual simulated plane.
Many people are not comfortable with the idea that anyone could just hop on a commercial airliner and start flying and making thousands of dollars, so they put limits and set bars in place to be able to do these things, and so it wouldn't be so ridiculously easy to just fly.
If you do something like this with apexes, it would be much more rewarding to earn and play as them, and they would actually be less common, as apexes should be, without completely restricting their numbers.
cyan flame
Anyway, there's no real point to this I don't think, I merely wanted to offer another viewpoint, we're not going to agree on this, I can agree that there might be an issue, I do not agree with the solution
serene hull
Lets face it, "playstyles" aren't really a thing until you become adult.
Survival is basically progression
Except you get to look at the dino you want all the time
brittle bough
yes, a game that is meant to be more than walking/fighting simulator lol
prisma lily
juvi apex and sub adults are already a step above other dino juvis
they are tiered for a reason
and the gameplay reflects this
cyan flame
And there probably are more or less unlocking systems by passing levels or such, if that counts Slate, though yeah, those are actually levels to play, not sure if that counts the same way as this
Well, the game is meant to be survival/horror, but well, we're not there yet :p
Not sure "survival" should have tiers really, even if people do make such anyway :D
brittle bough
cant wait to boot up one of my ratchet & clank games and get upset when i dont have the final guns because i like how they work the most
cyan flame
So when I point out that you're missing my point, I'm condescending, when you make fun of me for how I prefer things, what does that make you? ^^
brittle bough
i said your emotes were condescending, fam
cyan flame
Perhaps we could both pass on that and simply recognize that we have different approaches to the game and, I don't know, be okay with that, because we're both here because we enjoy the game
5:57 AM] Slate: i mean, if youre not gonna read what im saying and start being condescending then i wont bother i guess
No mention of emotes
cyan flame
Well, then you're just being wrong ^^
Or we simply read emotes differently, I suppose thats a possibility too
prisma lily
anyways, unlockable apexes or cap will tremendously benefit the game on top of them having an increased difficulty curve, and i for one look forward to apex tier dinos being a rare scary sight.
brittle bough
in general i read emotes in a fairly serious conversation as condescending or dismissive, a la calling someone sweetie or hon, so eh. a personal thing to be fair, but nonetheless
cyan flame
Didn't mean to seem condescending, apologies that you took it that way, wasn't my sentiment, even if it may have seemed that way, but I do not take the emotes I used that way,
brittle bough
but anyway. if unlockables are awful, and caps are awful, please propose your ideal system erik.
shell willow
The game should not be based on your opinion of playstyle, at the very least. The devs themselves have expressed that they want to see diversity among their players, not just people who pick X dino because of X reason. Diversity should not be forced, and I agree on that matter, but that doesn't mean that it can't be put in place. I shouldn't have to see nothing but apexes playing in official server chats, or come across nothing but carnivores because herbis have little to no incentive to playing.
cyan flame
Well, first of, we'd have to decide that the ideal situation is
I can't really propose an ideal system when we're not sure on what we want
Well, should it be based on yours then Sucho?
brittle bough
an ideal system to primarily lower apex populations
cyan flame
Or Slates, or Trats? Since it's all just opinions on things
shell willow
At the moment, no one can, because what about the recode? We don't even know half of what's to come, so how can we know what would work and what wouldn't if we don't even know the basics?
prisma lily
i know what i want: an actual pyramid of predators and prey, in which herbivore pops are large, with the numbers narrowing to the smallest population being apex
cyan flame
Well, one idea could be to make survival itself rewarding
brittle bough
work on what we do know, affinity and combat reworks namely; assume hitboxes wont be busted and all that, and affinity will encourage natural behaviors and give players something to do.
cyan flame
Thus perhaps getting away a bit from "ooh, big and powerful, I can kill lots of stuff" with it mentality
prisma lily
this is what is naturally sustainable, both in-game and in typical ecosystems, nearly a hundred apex predators should not be sustained by only scarce few other tiers
brittle bough
how will one make survival itself rewarding, assuming theres no tangible, permanent rewards to work towards
cyan flame
You can't really get away from "Rex is cool", but you can make it so all critters have different, and clear, playstyles, so there's a reason to go this or that critter, and that you do have a different experience with it, seeing as I doubt 99% of the playerbase do think just one thing is fun all the game
After all, even I favour a few different critters so
That's a good question Slate, and I don't really have any good answers, since I approach this game with survival in mind
So you don't need to "incentivize" me to survive, I'm content being alive, roaming around, nesting, and hunting when needed
So I can't really help on that account :p
prisma lily
then you are not the target of proposed changes, and are not invested in the longevity of the game
cyan flame
Right.. I don't care about the longevity of the game cause I.. play a survival game for survival?..
prisma lily
people are bored as hell right now because typical goals of earning things does not exist right now. there isn’t even any record keeping of kills, or days lived.
cyan flame
I'm not sure I understand how you're thinking there, much less why you would assume I don't care if the game dies or something
brittle bough
many people will grow bored of a game without anything to work towards; hypo is the 'always-present' goal because of how temporary it is, but theres nothing really other than it
many people are sleeping on the game right now, just lurking and waiting for updates rather than playing because the current game is exactly as you described it, just walking, eating, and nesting
prisma lily
i mean it more in that you are not considering the larger playerbase.
shell willow
It's not my opinion, it's common knowledge that apexes, the literal apex predators, should have a higher difficulty to obtaining and shouldn't be literally everywhere. Pyramids of predators and prey, like what Tratser said. There is always a natural order, even with video games.
I'm not leaning to one side or the other. I'm indifferent to whatever happens, because regardless of how I feel, the future will always come and there's nothing I can do about it.
prisma lily
you are only considering how you enjoy playing rexes whenever you want.
cyan flame
Well, if I'm not considering my own gameplay, then I wouldn't care about the game at all, now would I? And no, I'm considering how I enjoy being able to play as what I want, whenever I want, no matter what that may be
brittle bough
additionally, nothing is stopping you from playing how you described.. in sandbox
cyan flame
In case you missed that I also enjoy a few other critters beside rex
shell willow
My point here is that other people have different things that they also enjoy and just because you and a few other people prefer rex's playstyle over maia's doesn't make it a good point that apexes shouldn't be unlockable or at least limited/hard to get in some way.
cyan flame
Well, a cap of "online on the server", seems bad since it would quite literally stop me from playing on that server if too many people are on, unless we're back to forcing me to play something I at that point A, haven't grown and B, for one or more reasons may not want to be on that server, such as having a pack or something else.
As for unlocks, well, like I said, I'm not opposed to that itself, I didn't mind the progression idea, as long as I can still play "more or less" the style I want, not sure why that still wouldn't count for "unlock" though
brittle bough
if dinosaurs' playstyles were reworked to be a little more similar to each other just for the sake of smoother progression (say, a smaller, weaker ambusher for the progression to rex,) then i suppose unlocks would be viable to you. but thats far too big of a can of worms to open without knowing anything about rework/recode, so nothing can really be discussed there
cyan flame
As for sandbox, true, but then that also takes away the whole survival aspect, and probably other things as well, which would make that gamemode more of an experimenting gamemode, rather than actual game. Still, might very well end up being the favoured gamemode when all is said and done, we'll just have to see.
shell willow
Right now, rexes, and apexes in general, are fairly easy to get, and are a common occurrence on many servers. They are being handfed by their environment with food spawning on their faces, which is incredibly out of whack in terms of balance. Right now? I could grow a rex in the corner of the map and just afk through the entire thing. That's crazy. What's even more crazy is that I can just do it whenever I want, even if I've never played anything else on that entire server. It just feels stupid that anyone can hop right on a rex and it also be a downright cakewalk to grow.
cyan flame
Maybe we'll get the ability to modify all settings and see what happens
Fair enough Slate, but at least I'm willing to compromise
shell willow
My idea here is that they either be unlockable with a higher challenge, or have no unlocks and make apexes an incredible challenge.
cyan flame
And yes, that would be viable, since then I'd still have the "mentality/approach", even if my power and thus general ability to do things would be much more limited
I'd also be curious how many apexes vs player count you guys imagine is reasonable?
prisma lily
what blew my mind when i first started playing was indeed the fact that i could just... play as them all. immediately. no drawbacks. and the second shock was how extreme the power gap could be. its too easy to have strength unmatchable by most current dinos just thanks to ai, a netflix session, and the apex itself being instantly available on the menu.
cyan flame
Well, the AI spawning when you get hungry is one thing, the balance between critters is another, and the availability a third, so. We could modify any of those factors, or more than one, depending on what we want to achieve
prisma lily
and my ideal apex to server ratio is 1 apex per ~10, with apex having a 1/10 survival ratio to adulthood
shell willow
I'm not a fan of the apex cap idea, however if that were to be a thing, I would imagine that server owners would be able to customize the number of apexes they want allowed on their server depending on the max player limit in the server.
cyan flame
I don't think modifying ability to be something is as favourable as modifying the ability to survive as it
Well, raw cap on a server I don't think is good at all, I think unlocks would be preferable then
brittle bough
i dont approve of caps in general, they feel less organic of a restriction, as opposed to actual survivability restricting them
prisma lily
thing is, players can just keep throwing baby juvi apexes at a death wall until one sticks
they have it instantly
cyan flame
Since otherwise you really do say "You cant play cause too many on" despite that I may have built a nice pack and family there
prisma lily
whenever they want
cyan flame
So, cap, I doubt is good at all, even your version of unlock is probably better then
Well you can do that with all critters, really, I don't think the discussion should be limited only to apexes, honestly, all critters should be more or less hard to survive as
It's survival after all
Right now anything can survive just fine
The apexes just really hammers home the point and the issue, but if we just limited then, we'd see massive groups of the second best most likely
shell willow
If you've earned your apex, I say you should be able to play as that apex whenever you want. Once you've unlocked it, one and done, you've unlocked it and ON THAT SERVER, you can respawn and play as that apex again.
Or, at least, have a few lives to it before needing to unlock it again, if the first idea seems like too much mercy.
cyan flame
At least for those that do play for the power
brittle bough
heres something fun to occupy yourselves with, try and come up with new progression paths, reworking dinosaurs into different roles, even
have carni trees such as brute, bleeder, scavenger, etc. with the goal being to have weaker ones of a path progress into stronger ones.
for example dilo is the smaller, weaker bleeder, as opposed to giga, who is the apex bleeder. so dilo would be along the progression to giga.
thatll give us something to do other than go in circles over this lol
cyan flame
Rather repeatedly unlock it, but more akin to progression then, then you'd also get that ecosystem that at least was claimed to be there back in prog
Not hard at all Slate, that was the idea back then
shell willow
Alas I was not around back in the progression days
brittle bough
i mean, old prog seemed kind of random lol
shell willow
I have an idea of what it was like from gameplay videos and lurking in chats, but I can't comment because of my lack of real understanding lol
brittle bough
like, velo -> herrera -> dilo -> carno.. wat
you can give a peep at this, sucho-
https://the-isle-dinosaur-game.fandom.com/wiki/Progression_mode
brittle bough
you seemed to oppose me by saying that the old prog did what i was proposing, but then agreed that it was random (which was why i was ignoring old prog) so im a little lost lol
cyan flame
It was random, but the idea was like you described
brittle bough
well, im looking less at their intentions/ideas and more at how it turned out
cyan flame
Ah, fair enough then, and yes, it didnt turn out all that great unfortunately, probably part of why survival got done too, I'm sure I wasn't the only one that did prefer certain styles and didn't want to have to go through a few others to get it
You know, I wonder, with the current pop of 200 (yes, I know that lags, but let's go with it), could we make an actual ecosystem that allows for all the survival dinosaurs currently in, in a reasonable amount?
brittle bough
old prog was hot trash and waaay too punishing, like permanent hardcore mode lmao
what i was proposing was using the dinosaurs we have currently, probably not including sandbox because we dont know whats gonna happen with some of them, to make new trees. it wasnt even that serious of a proposal, it was meant to be for funsies
and hum, not sure. possibly to an extent?
cyan flame
You get 200 players, how would you proportion it with the survival dinos we got, to make it reasonable for every species involved? This is my challenge to you and Trat then :)
brittle bough
to get a truly even/reasonable distribution of survival dinosaurs they would all need to have equally fun gameplay, so eh- hard to reckon that without, again, knowing the extent of affinity/reworks
cyan flame
No no, I meant how many would you like to see of each
If you were to distribute them, just the numbers, never mind if people would want to be them or not
I'm just curious about how the ecosystem should ideally look like with the ones we have right now
brittle bough
well, if you ask some of the paleoelitists they could probably get you some numbers on how many individuals there usually were in herds of x species to start with, lol
cyan flame
Well I'm asking you what you think/what you'd like to see xD
Also because I wonder if we'd get much of a better ecosystem if we just limited apexes like you want, you don't think there's a risk we'd just get that massive population as one or two other dinos and the rest will still be unplayed as it is right now?
brittle bough
well, excluding apexes i tend not to see high numbers of other dinosaurs currently, so eh. and what unlocks would do is force some kind of diversity at any given time, unless everyone on the server was at exactly the same level of unlocks at once.
i would guess that if trike was hard to get, dibble would be next most common. buut even now with trike's mix-herding being slowly removed, people still wont go to dibble, and instead just cry about trike. people are hard to predict in that way, lol
cyan flame
And here I thought dibbles were popular anyway. They're surprisingly cute, and for some reason always angry..
But yeah, would be interesting if they did try the whole no apex at all
brittle bough
eh? i tend not to see them as often as i think i would. and every time i see one, it is absolutely furious and wants blood.
cyan flame
Wish they did, then we'd at least get some entertainment all around
brittle bough
even in herds i swear theres like, no dibbles. just trikes and every other herbi lol