lone hatch
In 1vs1 rex is winner in 2vs1 propably too, and I want it more balance but dondi is funboy of rex so
#general-feedback-discussion
obsidian matrix
non of the apexe needs a buff
barren zephyr
giga needs 3 hit headstart and he facetanks a rex just saying
bright kiln
i agree drake
ashen wasp
I wonder if it would be possible to limit the group size of certain dinosaurs as a mechanic, rather than have every server have to specify in their own rules what the pack limit for, say, a Cerato is on Server A vs. Server B. This way, you could hit max limit on a pack size and then in good conscience drive away everybody else.
Apologies if this has already been thought up by somebody. I DO know that the devs were working on a species-specific herbivore diet system to incentivize herbis to migrate and therefore combat the megapack problem, and I guess it would be pretty annoying to have to obey such strict rules on group size. On the other hand, I suppose it would stop all the back and forth on official pack limits if every server had the mechanic as a customizable option.
barren zephyr
gigas juvie should not be even buffed and his sub is fine that jump on 100% is just visual.
sub giga is a fat beast and a fatty afker
lmao there are alot of juvies worse than gigas ugly dwarf mode
jagged badge
white torrent
It is painfully slow
It’s not much use being a beef cake when an even beefier cake(rex) is chasing you down
brittle bough
good god i thought my friend and i were the only ones bothered by how hyperactive and restless the cera was lmao
white torrent
Mhm. I really, don’t enjoy how it moves around so much
Cerato is my favorite Dinosaur to play as
The model is gorgeous beyond belief, and it shows potential
I honestly think they rushed it out the gates, so it could be released with sucho and pachy
thorny lynx
I hate how a lot of dinosaur animations sway back and forth like an irritated cockatoo
Makes it hard to eat sometimes
white torrent
It should also do more bleed tbh- look at those TEETH MATE
brittle bough
ah yes, my friend and i have had many a moment of trying to eat and going "okay- okay- stop idling- there we go"
white torrent
The allo and the dilo have some of my favorite idles
I like how the dilo stand sup
I wish the cerato’s four call had as much life as the carnos
I LOVE the carnos four call
marble ether
I love dilos idles, but the running and trot animation make it look like such a derpy dumb dino
I think It's because its legs are too close to eachother or smth
And the body seems too streamlined
brittle bough
i mean, it makes them distinguishable at least lol, half the time i identify dilos by their dumpy runs if i cant see their heads well enough
indigo sun
@wild rose carno already has incredible speed. I dont see why it needs a good turn too, not to mention if youre being assridden you can really just alt turn. You can just run if youre having that much trouble with dilos and utahs
night mountain
Agreed on the pack size thing, at least for the apexs. I dunno why it's as high as it is tbh
marble ether
Esp on apex but still applies for all the rest too, theres just no need to be in pack of 6 allos, what could possibly need that kind of power to take down?
night mountain
Idk, i dont super have an opinion on allo group sizes since for some reason I never really run into them so no idea what is/isn't too much.
wild rose
@indigo sun alt turn so they would get away cause they have a slow ass start up?
yeah ima let them do that right
indigo sun
You can run if somethings attacking you, and you dont even have to run away you can go around and through them
wild rose
not to mention their alt turn is slow too
i never said anything about getting attecked by bigger preds
i saud they get killed by dillos and utahs hordes of em,
lament thorn
Maybe idk run?
indigo sun
If youre getting attacked by utahs and dilos, fuckin take off and make a u turn. Theyre not as fast as you
wild rose
you cant run from that shit they will keep you up not to mention carnos have slow ass stam regen
indigo sun
Like I said, run, make a u turn and then attack them
wild rose
you dont see them in the erver
you see you them once in a while in and official server
lament thorn
If you know what you're doing you can easily kill a few and run off they'll likely give up
wild rose
like once a week
thats the thing you cant run or yu will bleed out if you try to fight them
lament thorn
Don't let them attack you
wild rose
if a dillo bites you twice and then you run you go to 3rd screen
3 times
then you ded
lament thorn
Don't get bit
lament thorn
You can fight without getting bit and no body is making you fight
lament thorn
If you don't think you'll win don't engage
wild rose
omg everything can legit kill a carno even ceratos can keep you up because you have slow stam regen
here comes this kid again
lament thorn
You can get far away before even having to worry about stam
wild rose
what you ganna say now
lament thorn
I don't understand why you think you have to stand and fight everything that comes into your path?
wild rose
your not a dev so idk why i am even talking to you, no point have a good day sir
indigo sun
You think a dev's gonna discuss this with you instead of us?
wild rose
no your the no lives that started this i just suggested this
lament thorn
And here I thought we were being civil
Are we not supposed to discuss suggestions in the suggestion discussion channel?
indigo sun
We're discussing your suggestion. That's kinda, yknow the point of the channel?
wild rose
your making this hard every time i try to bring up a point you find a reason its not true
indigo sun
Please feel free to ask the people up in #401464048610312195 what they think if you think we're "no lives" that don't know what we're talking about
wild rose
all im saying is give the carno better stam and a better turn not by much
so it can dodge dillo and utahs bites
willow cloak
My friend, just use the Z key.
lament thorn
You can just run after them
wild rose
because you cant you start up slow
lament thorn
Get some distance turn and charge
lament thorn
I said get distance
wild rose
distance ?
willow cloak
Carno stamina isn't even that bad, nor is it's speed. If you run around all the time that will be your downfall. If you save your stam, use your different turning circles and it shouldn't be an issue.
wild rose
i feel like you guys play rex and giga all the time
umbral prairie
I don't get why you think dilos and utahs are a problem, carno is supposed to be fast but slow turning so it can catch everything in theory, but has to attack tactical if it doesn't want to get hit or juked. Carno has very fast growth for what it is, and I don't think it needs better turn since that is the one thing restraining it
willow cloak
Yikes, why so?
umbral prairie
because people that disagree with mid tier buffs are automatically apex mains
willow cloak
Ah, I agree there ^ The turn is its trade-off
lament thorn
Back when Carno basically turned on the spot they were ruthless and unstoppable
Now they take skill
indigo sun
I actually play mid tiers most of the time, so cut the assumptions
wild rose
why dont we see a decent amount of carnos in the official servers then all i see is hordes of rexs and gigas
they dont play it because they need it to be better
indigo sun
Cause it's easy to grow an apex so everyone wants to be strong like everyone else?
lament thorn
Carno is great
wild rose
no one playes it
willow cloak
I'm playing carno currently. All you see is apexes is because they don't need to / struggle to hide.
umbral prairie
you don't die from anything if you are playing decent
lament thorn
All the carnos I've had have died to me because I decided to switch to something else to spice up my gameplay
umbral prairie
also I don't know how it is now, but I often died to carnos spam calling next to me until apex packs come by, hear the calls and kill me. They do this because even right now carno doesn't fear anything, it can just run and therefore they get bored
lament thorn
If you don't spin around and waste your stam you'll legit be fine as a Carno
wild rose
nah give the carno getter stam and better turn 😉
lament thorn
Yes let's give the decent creature even more pros
Nothing could go wrong
Nothing would be unfair
viral creek
Carno is actually great the way he is
indigo sun
Carno doesnt need better stam or turn
wild rose
yes like not kill off your rexs and gigas am i right
umbral prairie
yeah let's give it a 70 km/h ambush, cera turn, and trike dps
lament thorn
Give Carno pounce
umbral prairie
carno already has unbreakable legs, so just make it be able to jump and kick stuff
indigo sun
No one's gonna agree with you here. You're not providing a valid point. Carno's trade offs for being, yknow the fastest in the game is that it has slower turn and not the best stamina
lament thorn
Alt turn is your friend
indigo sun
Carnos are fast. use it.
wild rose
@indigo sun then why does no one play it?
willow cloak
It's turn and stamina regen is like that to make it fair. If it could turn easily it would be easy as all hell to kill. Then you'd complain that the carno is too "powerful" for a mid-tier because you couldn't find the time to learn to press Z and use that walk / trot turn radius.
lament thorn
Cause people can do what they want?
wild rose
cause its shit?
indigo sun
Because everyone wants to be a fucking apex because theyre so easy to grow and everyone else is an apex. Like, not that fucking hard
wild rose
ye fix that problem by making apex killers
umbral prairie
because it gets boring to run around the map not doing anything, then they harass other people to have fun, then they jump off a cliff to kill themselves because they can just grow a carno in less than 2 hours and it is not worth much
indigo sun
It's not shit. Learn to play carno and it wont be shit
Are you saying carno needs to kill apexes?
willow cloak
Apex killers are the apexes. They kill off themselves, fighting amongst one another or just your regular old cliff.
lament thorn
So you just want Carno to be the best creature in the game with no trade offs?
wild rose
no im just solving the problem you said
umbral prairie
it is not bad to play, it just gets boring because you don't fear anything
indigo sun
I'm done arguing with yet another person who doesn't listen. Goodbye, and have a shit day.
wild rose
thank you good person have a great wonderful day where you dont argue about a game
give carno better stam regen/ turn
umbral prairie
put that into #general-feedback
willow cloak
Don't say something like giving it better turn and not expect people to have an opposing opinion. It's going to happen.
umbral prairie
great suggestion
night mountain
Carno main here, just because you don't know how to use a dinosaur doesn't make it bad.
night mountain
Carno does best in open areas, and if anything aside from an ambush out of nowhere at night happens you can just run off
wild rose
its not fuin
lament thorn
If you know how to use it correctly then why are you complaining
wild rose
so make it fun
lament thorn
It is fun
wild rose
by making them better
night mountain
stam doesn't matter since you can get stupidly far away from anything chasing you and just lose it
willow cloak
Yes, they do. You just don't see them all that often because they're smart and don't wander around hollering.
wild rose
no its not then why dont we see a decent anmount
night mountain
Honestly ime most things don't even bother attacking carnos unless they think they can sneak up and ambush them
wild rose
good dont attack them with your rex
night mountain
utahs are jerky but you can just leave if you see them, that's what I do with packs typically unless I'm with a group or feeling motivated
groups are even pretty good at taking down allos/suchos and etc
viral creek
Carno doesn't need to be better whatsoever.
"There needs to be a carno buff because there are two many rexes and not enough carnos" is not a good justification.
wild rose
either nerf apexs so there are more mid tier dinos or buff the mid tier so atleast 5-10 can kill apexs
viral creek
Apexes don't need to be nerfed. The real issue is the fact that ai literally spawns around you as you're hungry
night mountain
honestly my only complaint with carno is it getting deadstuck on trees and even that is just a general problem not a carno one
viral creek
The game is bringing food to you
umbral prairie
apexes just need to be harder to grow, the mid tier-apex gap is totally fine
wild rose
not harder
umbral prairie
there are just too many apexes around
viral creek
Yes harder
viral creek
But on the orginal topic. If you buff carno turn.
You can say goodbye to most dilos, utahs, pachies, dryos, gallis, maias etc.
wild rose
like a rex should fear a pack of allos
willow cloak
You can very simply find plenty of your mid-tier dinosaurs around but they're just not laying around near lakes all the time like your apexes are. I do agree that apexes should be more of a challenge to grow.
viral creek
Carno's bad turn is the saving grace for animals smaller or weaker than it
Also a skilled pack of allos can destory a rex
Giga is the real problem, in terms of the apex v mid tier power gap
night mountain
yeah tbh as much as I love carno it with better turn totally screws over anything weaker than it
wild rose
i am not saying make it as good as utahs turn just a bit better so when its getting attacked you can dodge attacks or get some attacks in
viral creek
There's no need to
night mountain
carnos niche is running
umbral prairie
if you get attacked you don't dodge, you run
wild rose
there is a need to no one playes it
wild rose
no one playes anything better apex or fricken allo
umbral prairie
the only problem might be how much forest there is, carno has few space it can actually run in
night mountain
its honestly better than utah since dying as a carno is hard since you can just run away from absolutely anything that isnt a close range ambush
viral creek
I think you're on a weird server
wild rose
where on your nycta servers
lilac swallow
Carnos is one of the actually popular dinos
viral creek
Dilo is easily the most populated dinosaur at the moment
night mountain
same, every since time i play carno i have no prob finding a big group
wild rose
im on an officail server dont talk about any ohter server
night mountain
single*
wild rose
how many rexs you see there everyday?
viral creek
Dilos are the meta rn
wild rose
10-15?
viral creek
2-3
umbral prairie
carno groups are not hard to come by, expecially because they tend to spam broadcast
viral creek
Meanwhile
night mountain
There are a lot of apex, but that has nothing to do with carno
wild rose
lies
viral creek
Some gigas
night mountain
thats like saying cama is too strong so we need to buff how fast dryo can make burrows. Totally unrelated
viral creek
I agree, there's a lot of apexes. But there sure aren't the most popular thing on the server
wild rose
cama is not in survival omg
lilac swallow
You know that looking at the same apex twice doesnt count right?
wild rose
go back to yout nycta server dont talk
viral creek
The problem with rex isn't his stats. It's that he is too easy to grow with the way ai spawns.
night mountain
I know, its an example of things having nothing to do with anything
lilac swallow
Nycta is cancer
night mountain
can you read or
willow cloak
I don't believe this person is actually taking in anything anyone is saying, nor going to say.
night mountain
lol
umbral prairie
they seem to be talented in ignoring other people's arguments if it cannot be countered with 'then why aren't there any carnos'
lilac swallow
Cama was a fucking example
wild rose
dont dring up any none survival examples none relevant
edgy furnace
umbral prairie
it was an example for unrelated things
night mountain
Cama was an example of things having absolutely nothing to do with one another, just like how you keep implying carnos turn speed has something to do with the population of apexs
umbral prairie
how is that so hard to understand
viral creek
You clearly didn't understand the argument they were making
umbral prairie
and since cama isn't even in survival, it makes it even more unrelated, which is what it was supposed to be
wild rose
lol
viral creek
That's not what I meant
wild rose
yeah thats what im saying sammel
night mountain
lol
wild rose
lmao
viral creek
Did you know there is more than one way to use the word argument?
wild rose
changed it
lilac swallow
Kudric imrpove your reading comprehension pls
wild rose
i am aware of that
edgy furnace
carno is perfectly fine right now
wild rose
no its not
viral creek
Explain how he's not fine
edgy furnace
its fun to play its not a bad dino
lilac swallow
If a carno dies is because It wants
wild rose
okay lemme explain stop tyinging
viral creek
Carno has the gift of being able to pick and choose his fights with literally anything
willow cloak
Yes, it really is. If you actually play it and learn it it is capable of surviving perfectly.
viral creek
And that's fucking amazing
night mountain
Hey guys I actually think hypo spino's feet are too big, so to fix this I propose we give rex new highlight colors
umbral prairie
ok this isn't going anywhere, this almost feels like talking to uncleraptor, I'm out
viral creek
lmao
brittle bough
why are yall being so hostile in here, settle down fams
wild rose
idk
viral creek
Cause we're stubborn
willow cloak
Well, go on. Please explain how carno isn't fit in its current state.
edgy furnace
^
wild rose
they are bringing out new arguments that i stated with, they cant find a way to fight back now they are saying i cant read
lilac swallow
We cant fight back? Really?
brittle bough
ive been watching, you got hostile because someone used cama (an irrelevant dinosaur) as an example of unrelated events, so youre a part of it, so shh
you misinterpreted the cama example, thats all that happened
lilac swallow
We are asking you literally to give us an explanation about why carno is bad and refuse to answerd
night mountain
imo carno is the best carnivore in the game if your goal is to just not die
maybe aside from utahs who sit on rocks and live off ai
wild rose
okay give it a slightly better turn so it can kill dillos and utahs and so more people would start playing it but its turn would still not be as great to give utahs and dillos a chance its just a way to fight back chocky dillos. Do this with other dinos like cerato by giving it better bleed resistance so more people would start playing
viral creek
Alright
First of all, you can kill utahs and dilos in it's current state, you just need a bit of skill
wild rose
im not saying make the carno a god
viral creek
Good carnos will trade some of their speed for a slightly better turn, by mixing z turn with run.
willow cloak
Right. Carno can kill a dilo and a utah just fine. Utilise the Z key or get distance and make a U-turn. You're best aim is to get things head and doing a quick turn like a cerato would. It's better to dip in and out or butt ride.
viral creek
Also. Carno has 0 need to fight back against anything. He CAN, but he doesn't NEED to. Carno has this amazing fucking gift from the gods, that allows him to outrun every single animal in the game.
The Isle isn't a fighting game, it's a survival game. And carno is one of the best animals at surviving.
lilac swallow
BuT iS bAd At FiGtHiNg
night mountain
yeah the only thing that can keep up at all is herrera but its not survival and also can't even kill carno anyway
viral creek
and galli
night mountain
oh that too
noble dirge
Good fall distance too.
wild rose
thats what people want tho thats why most of the population plays rex and giga they are looking for action but there are different types of poeple @viral creek
viral creek
That doesn't matter
night mountain
everyone plays rex because its big and edgy and strong, even if carno was straight broken most of the rex players wouldn't use it
viral creek
The playstyle of the portion of the playerbase shouldn't force the developers to buff an already really good animal
lilac swallow
If you want fights go trike or rex, they are the only focused on actual fighting
viral creek
Also, I see plenty of carnos.
brittle bough
can confirm, i encounter more carnos than i would generally like to (read: as herbis lol,) so they dont feel like an especially rare sight to me
night mountain
Same, check open areas like twins, carnos avoid forests like the plague
viral creek
I also see dilos e v e r y w h e r e
lilac swallow
People play giga and Rex because people like being Big and their grow isnt hard, not because they are op
viral creek
Rex is actually pretty balanced
Want to play an actually god tier animal? Choose maia, or giga. Or find a dilo pack.
brittle bough
rex is especially balanced, probably because its the designated "fighting" one so its balance matters most, because again, players who want pvp/fighting or want to be The Badass will probably go straight for rex (or trike, for the intellectuals)
night mountain
galaxy brain dino is being a galli and assriding everything into oblivion
lilac swallow
Yeah, this is not a fighting game but if you want you do have options
viral creek
Rex also has the worst stam on the face of the earth
viral creek
so he really isn't that op
sick crescent
Again
obsidian matrix
the only thing that can kill a giga is a trike or rex, low/midtier dinos even 10 of them cant kill a giga because his alt turn is godlike, thats why i dont understand people asking for giga buffs
lilac swallow
"Carno is bad"
viral creek
Somebody wanted to buff carno turn
brittle bough
it started with "carno needs buff" now were just.. talking about rex and not the suggestion so should probably move lol
viral creek
The guy used rexes to support his argument idk
sick crescent
Ahat
night mountain
or being cama and sprinting through a forest to save time and trampling like 10 herbs to death because you just didnt see them lmao
sick crescent
Carno is like 3 times faster than Rex
obsidian matrix
carno is one of the most balanced dinos in this game srsly
sick crescent
Carno’s speed is the reason its turn is bad
There was a time when Carno has speed and turn
not a good time
brittle bough
yeah that just sounds not super great lmao
sick crescent
Carno having good turn would probably invalidate Galli
“Good” Carnos can catch Gallis
It’s however elusive, as it should be.
brittle bough
i was expecting that to be followed by "great gallis can catch carnos"
obsidian matrix
carno with better turn would make all low tier dinos + maia useless
stray cloak
Pretty much
lilac swallow
Carno's bad turn is like rex's bad stam, without it they would be unstopable
obsidian matrix
@lilac swallow this
sick crescent
The reason every rock has Collision is duebto small dinos hiding in them
I remember using a rock to hide from a Carno as a Juvenile Galli once, it had no chance at finding me.
umbral prairie
dinos should just be able to step over them
lilac swallow
I would personnally like the removal of small rocks
umbral prairie
not walk through them
night mountain
that makes total sense but wouldn't it be pretty easy to just make them not have collision with large dinosaurs
brittle bough
ive got no issue with tiny collisions but at least.. have.. big dinosaurs go over them somehow
or disable the collision for big dinosaurs who obviously cant hide in them, i doubt a sub rex will be hiding in a pebble
night mountain
yeah, its really weird its just suddenly going from full sprint to dead stopped in a millisecond and then having to spend a good few seconds turning in place to get unstuck
a system to just kinda slip around trees would be cool imo
lilac swallow
An ambushing rex or a carno who are trying to catch a prey can stop suddenly for a troll rock they didnt saw in time
night mountain
at the very least I hope the new map doesnt have those awful areas where its just a ton of small rocks everywhere
brittle bough
how about a hitsphere instead of a hitbox so we can walk over it lol
lilac swallow
Walking over It seemms the most probable option
stray cloak
Make rocks ramps
night mountain
they already are lmao
those ONE rocks
you guys know the one
the herra/bary ankle breaker rocks
stray cloak
They should have more of a hit trapezoidal box or a hit pyramid
night mountain
yeah that'd be cool, ill honestly take anything else at this point
stray cloak
They could also make it so when you walk into small rocks, there's no collision, but it pushes you up to the top of the rock vertically
Almost like it makes your feet float to the surface
wintry cipher
Tbh larger Dino's having a hard time in dense woods compared to smaller ones is a good thing. Helps give you a reason to pick the small guy as you can utilize your terrain better to escape.
still temple
I like how large dinosaurs have more trouble navigating in dense forests
but it's pretty stupid how a tiny little drop from a pebble can break your leg
umbral prairie
it is good, but I think at least the very small pebbles should only stop very small dinos, most things should be able to walk over them. Also it would be cool if , instead of sticking half your body through a tree and then stopping instantly your dino tries to move it's head around the tree, hits it with one of it's body sides and gets slowed but you don't have to alt turn around that tree
brittle bough
those trees are real fun on servers with no alt turn
stray cloak
I think the best option would be make it so you can pass though small rocks, but you'll be forced to the top over the course of a second or 2 if you stand on them
That would fix the navigation issue and prevent hiding
@nova ice it was a thing and people used to to grief by acting like walls and boxing people in so they couldn't play
Plus, save for apexes, most herbies are in some way stronger than the things that attack them
You're also forgetting the bit where you're not just blocking the carnivores, your blocking your own herd
lament thorn
I mean its planned
indigo sun
Yeah I remember it being mentioned as something planned for the future
lament thorn
Just needs to be redone properly so creatures don't have Blackholes for hearts
Looking at you shant
nova ice
yeah I play a lot of games with friendly collission, the benefit of the collission against enemies outweights it usually, thought the griefing thing sucks
i'd like that to be a server managed thing though if that would even be possible
lament thorn
I doubt it since it's likely gonna be connected to the combat system
nova ice
oh they are adding it back in at some point?
lament thorn
Yeh you won't be running through people
nova ice
rad
indigo sun
@fleet surge the bite forces are toned down for everything. Its for balance. This game isn't entirely realistic
A rex would be far too powerful with a 57,000 newton biteforce.
vestal rune
there needs to be a fucking disclaimer to not take the stats in the character menu literally
indigo sun
And what do you mean by "taken into account for the models"?
indigo sun
@craggy river weren't you literally warned about that exact thing last night?
They've told you not to say "buff/nerf this" in the past dude. Just say what you want buffed about sub giga instead of saying "buff it!"
Of course you don't respond. Can't say anything but "buff sub giga"
paper oriole
imagine a dryo biting a gigas ankle and it just screams so loud half the island hears it lmao
if it was damage based so only painful attacks triggered it, might not be too bad though
blazing charm
@honest sigil That sounds incredibly exploitable
I can just imagine something like a Dilo or Raptor just constantly following another dinosaur around, nipping at them to make them scream and give away their location.
Plus, with how roars work at the moment you can't actually defend yourself while in the roar animation, so you'd be screwed by chance
barren zephyr
I agree with but i feel like abit more noise but slighty but not to big of a buff if that makes sense
when but when you bite something i think it would be louder but not futher range if that makes sense
night mountain
"I can just imagine something like a Dilo or Raptor just constantly following another dinosaur around, nipping at them to make them scream and give away their location." Honestly that sounds hilarious and I would definitely do that as herrera
barren zephyr
But im saying just like 2meters away but not like a mile
night mountain
Oh then yeah if it doesn't carry further it wouldn't be broken I don't think
barren zephyr
I saying because im a giga or rex or utah when you bite sometimes you can’t hear if you hit it or not
With some dinos
paper oriole
i mean a utah biting a shant wouldnt make it scream, the small grunt we got is fine but louder ones for things that really hurt, at the 2 meter range you said, would be nice realism
umbral prairie
I think if you get your neck grabbed by something you can have a louder scream, since you can't bite while being grabbed anyway
paper oriole
the scream could also not prevent you from using abilities, i mean it's possible to make a noise while biting (especially if it's involuntary)
native nebula
if your neck's grabbed by something i think that once the gore system comes in, your head is probably going to come off, so i don't know if there'd be much of a sound to make other than gushing blood.
barren zephyr
Same xd
umbral prairie
I meant it like for example a giga biting a rex neck, it will of course hurt but I wouldn't think the giga would be able to bite through that neck, or at least not quickly
a rex biting an allo neck, yeah the allo won't have much time to scream
native nebula
i'd expect there'd be a bit of decapitation, we haven't got into actually making anything like that yet but we've had some fun discussions. that said there'll definitely be more extreme pain sounds coming in time for things like being mortally wounded.
umbral prairie
nice
night mountain
lmao combine decapitation with food carrying, i wanna haul around heads of things I killed
barren zephyr
Nice im excited thank you dinosauric
night mountain
just some spino running around clutching a giga head, 10/10
rigid wigeon
oh shit
indigo sun
I don't think it'll be the third flier. It's not even a pterosaur. It's just a big ass bird
night mountain
Why not though? it's a huge flying dinosaur that could probably handily kill a pteradactyl
It could be ai I guess, but seems like a weird choice for it since its so big
i guess unless its pulling an alberto or something
indigo sun
Dont they normally do dinosaurs and similar saur-ending creatures?
It feels like an odd choice for a flyer when it's not even a dinosaur/pterosaur/saur thingy while the other two are
night mountain
I mean, deinosuchus
umbral tartan
Hey what are we talking about
night mountain
and pelagornis itself is even way closer to a dinosaur than pterosaurs are
indigo sun
Pelagornis being the thiird flier
night mountain
birds -are- straight up dinosaurs
umbral tartan
Pelagornis wont be a good adition
umbral tartan
And it eats lots of fish
night mountain
it could totally fly
night mountain
it was like an albatross, it probably barely was on land at all
umbral tartan
Hang on I think im thinking about the wrong bird
indigo sun
No pelagornis is the giant seagull
night mountain
Also another reminder pelagornis is in the actual game files so it's presumably going to be in as SOMETHING
indigo sun
Yes, I'm debating its existence as the third flier not its existence in its entirety
signal bluff
were you thinking of icthyornis?
signal bluff
yeah that would be a shit addition lul
night mountain
What else would it be though? Like ai i guess but idk what the point of it as ai would be
night mountain
So what do you guys think they'll be adding it in as?
most of the others are self explanatory, theres a few fish species and like obv those are going to be food or whatever
indigo sun
Maybe ai, maybe it was just an idea, maybe it will be added as a flier, it just seems improbable. Who knows
night mountain
but pela is big, not really an ai predator, and also not really something that'd be prey to anything either so I was wondering
indigo sun
No, it was in the files. There's an image with files for different creatures both currently in the isle and coming soon
night mountain
unless it was just sorta going to be scenic ai or something
but idk why they'd use it for that when there are already going to be pterosaurs all over
signal bluff
what do yall think about dimorphodon?
night mountain
i;d be down but i think general agreement is too smol
umbral tartan
Thats like a velo that can fly
With GROWTH STAGES
So it starts out 1/3rd of that size
No thanks
night mountain
for anyone curious
indigo sun
Nothing smaller than dryo/ptera will be added so dimorphodon would not fit well
signal bluff
yeah they would have to have something like a central spawnpoint to make that work, so everyone that chose it would spawn in the same area (possibly near aviary) where they could add eachother into groups, also prolly spawn full grown
vagrant crest
What if it's just an empty directory.
night mountain
So then why is all that in the game files
night mountain
what was the weird drama here with tarbo anyway, it was before my time
Honestly though I really don't want more generic theropods anyway haha
umbral tartan
I think its a joke
Rugops I can see being added tho
A sort of, tougher, abelisaurid
And not as fast as carno
night mountain
(also to that jumping on pteras post, that wouldn't work since utah outweights ptera by like 10 times or something)
umbral tartan
Yeah Im a bit confused by that one
white torrent
Rugops would maybe be on par with Cerato
In my opinion, although I see cerato having a stronger chomp
night mountain
my personal hope is the fish are functional animals
like i wanna get injected into a server as a catfish lmao
night mountain
i mean im not saying make them survival, but them being playable in like the same way taco or etc is now would be fun
THIS VIDEO
player controlled fish 😉
analog prism
i want to be a fish
night mountain
im gonna be a catfish lmaoo
yeah
granted this is pre recode so theyre probably changing it up a bit but still
devs pls make fish at least as functional as oro is ❤
im down for quetz subadult but it having a -totally- flightless juvi stage would be more annoying than anything imo. It'd make spawning in as one a nightmare and force people to just get nested in as one off in some remote corner or something.
might not be bad if it could at least jump up onto rocks or something though
torn thistle
There's no videos about fish. Just those screenshots posted ages ago by... I forget who specifically.
Might've been Deathly.
night mountain
whats that video above?
analog prism
there is a video on the isle fandom page
torn thistle
The video there is from the fish asset's store page.
even so those screenshots are fairly old.
night mountain
oh yeah i wasn't saying it was new or anything, just that there's at least a little bit of hope for ai fish being playable like oro and friends are now
pliant ember
Feathers are going to be a thing in the future, they're just not main priority
Would also be cool to give credit to Dragon drool for the edited image
@barren zephyr
hardy kernel
As much as i would love to see all those dinosaurs and playable fish, i think it would be important to allow higher server populations and a bigger map
night mountain
why would ptera be faster?
im gonna guess quetz will be faster but ptera will be much more manuverable
jovial blade
Because quetz will just bully pteradons
Quetz should have more air time
Pteradon should be faster and more manuverable
Also fast take off
But not fly as long as quetz
I like the inhale then call
It should be more of a bigger step back
and then his body should move forward
and take a aggresive step forward
That would look cool
thorny lynx
The problem is
Some of rexes inhales when he broadcasts and 3 calls sound like exhales
And only seldomly do I hear a pause in the middle like Rex used to have. I miss that pause.
night mountain
i mean quetz probably won't be a big issue for pteras if they're way more manuverable
night mountain
because thats how it works with flying animals
night mountain
aside from things like falcons and swifts specifically evolved to be fast larger birds are faster
jovial blade
Quetz should have more air time
But slower
Pteradon should be faster, less air time
Makes more sense to me
night mountain
idk, the actual estimates for quetz speed i've seen is like 60-80 mph
just like how albatrosses, eagles, and a bunch of large birds are generally the fastest flying birds
or how huge aircraft are generally faster, i think
something to do with physics, idk
night mountain
so did quetz
jovial blade
The quetz drop should be faster
Then pteradon
I just don't know how they will balance them
I feel like they will get 1 shot by most things lol
night mountain
they will, but the point is they're fast and can fly so not getting hit at all is easy
jovial blade
@viral pond That's allready planned
viral pond
Oh awsome
viral pond
Ok can wait for it to happean then
violet magnet
seconded rex's unnecessarily long prep for its 3-call
the old 3-call animation where it snapped its head down and right in your face was much more intimidating than rex taking almost a full second to inhale, posture, then roar. In the time it takes for it to posture you could run away, with the old animation and sound it was a lot more sudden, and might've caused me to jump in my seat a few times when a rex 3-roared near me
thorny lynx
He does this little tap dance, too
Like, he doesn't even step forward. He just steps in place.
night mountain
honestly i assuming the roar thing is 100% because jurassic park
violet magnet
it totally is
night mountain
make it so every time a rex roars a banner falls out of the sky that says when dinosaurs ruled the earth
umbral tartan
Someone did testing somewhere, I cant remember where, but if quetz could fly, then it would be a very good flyer. Pteranodon isnt built for long distance flying, its more of a seagull whilst quetz scavenges and needs to go across wide expanses of land to find food.
night mountain
wasnt the flightless quetz thing totally discreditied
thorny lynx
Thanks for the support on my suggestions, guys. Few months ago, people yelled at me about how good the new rex calls were
Me: why he tap dancing tho
misty island
Honestly
I want to see the Rex have a more authentic calls
Like the terrifying low frequency loud grumbled instead of a lion/elephant/crocodile roar
umbral tartan
Yeah it was discredited
jovial blade
I've been thinking about this thing where you have abilities and they have big cools downs there can be carnivores : 1- Enhanced vision 2- Ambush
Herbivores: 1-Enhanced vision 2- Adrenaline
So instead of carni's being ninjas and ambushing away it can be a ability that has a cool down where it can be actually used in hunting
and herbivores can use adrenaline when being chased
Also both carni and herb can use the enhanced vision to look for prey and danger
The abilities start off weak
And get alot better with affinity
and in growth stages
Thoughts?
paper oriole
you really want it EVEN EASIER to grow an apex huh
you know why their current population is so high? AI literally spawns in their mouth as they AFK grow in corners of the map, they don't need slower hunger drain
pulsar crypt
Remove hunger and thirst from apexes and unlimited stam pls until full grown
Hehexd
paper oriole
make giga and rex as fast as herrera with utah stam while we're at it lol
spiral pond
Juvi and sub have really good hunger
On rex that is
It is only mediocre at the start g juvi and sub
fading shadow
turbid salmon
Over 2.5 months ago you started the recode work. You also told us ". We know, it's a super bummer! But do not fear, production is blazing along full speed behind the scenes! In addition, we'll be updating you all in a transparent fashion like we've never done before." I find it funny we have not received a single update on this progress. Not a it's going well looks like it'll be another few months or it's going slower than expected so it'll be longer nothing. I hope you take this sugestion seriously and stick with your words.
indigo sun
You put this in suggestion discussions not the actual suggestions channel and apparently there might be some sort of progress update soon
misty island
@turbid salmon I mean, they have been putting out animation updates
Like
Every week
And punch did say they won’t tell the community anything about ingame mechanics cus of idea thieves
So.......
I don’t see the problem
turbid salmon
I'm not looking for ingame mechanics just a broad mention of the progress that in their post about it clearly states they'll keep us updated.
turbid salmon
Not even that specific. Just general idea of progress.
turbid salmon
Because you can get to 50% then the last 50% can take 2x as long as the 1st 50%
turbid salmon
Rofl
misty island
Well
turbid salmon
Don't want to spam it haha
brittle ivy
For those who like to spell out words attacking or making fun of the original poster via reaction emotes, I’ll be removing your ability to apply emotes if this abuse continues. For all involved, keep this in mind.
white torrent
What?
versed blaze
Trolling people by using emojis to spell stupid or other flame baity words using emojis in the suggestions channel won't be tolerated.
night mountain
words in general are still cool though right
blazing charm
Why bother making words when you can just discuss the suggestion in here?
barren zephyr
^
dreamy portal
I get the admin settings talk but, some of this sounds like people who died and are bitter they died for some reason or another.
And wanna make their own server so they can godmode to whatever they want.
Kinda defeats the point of survival
blazing charm
I kinda got that vibe from the way it was worded aswell, mostly just the talk of "rulebreakers"
vagrant crest
@cedar frigate that feature already exists. Server owners can just edit your character config. Now being able to do that in-game without having to edit files would be nice
dreamy portal
Its like I get it
indigo sun
there are servers willing to grow people again to a certain point if a rule was broken involving their deaths, one of which I play on, so I suppose I can understand
dreamy portal
Wouldnt it be better to impliment it as a checkpoint system. Obviously when a character dies it shows their growth food etc and even location.
dreamy portal
In some form or another by administration
vagrant crest
That's more work for the server
dreamy portal
I could see it being a doable system
But its a shoulder shrugger
More of a "i get it but..."
cedar frigate
Ah never knew that.
brittle bough
at least let me click on that scrollbar and forcibly hold it in place... please.........
as one with a slightly broken scrollwheel the chat is Hell
oblique sluice
@keen trail if that happens to you again, restart steam after quiting the game
paper oriole
that doesnt really work
blazing charm
@keen trail If that issue is a common occurance for you, you should totally make a post in #401465476661641217 about it, give some additiontal details about the issue, how to trigger it, what game version you encountered it on, etc.
Just saying "fix it" without any meaningful information isn't going to help in getting the issue fixed.
paper oriole
happens to me too and ive tried that
oblique sluice
It worked for me multiple times
paper oriole
sometimes it works for a few min then it starts jumpin again when i make a turn
jovial blade
I've lost so many dinos to rubber banding like that
What triggers it for me is running Into a tree, making fast turns, mid fight or it just happens out of no where
umbral prairie
what exactly would terror birds do
indigo sun
@robust jolt what purpose would either creature serve in the ecosystem? What would make them unique and give them advantages/disadvantages in comparison to other creatures?
umbral prairie
since gastornis could have been a herbivore, it would just be a worse galli, and titanis would be a worse utah
indigo sun
You can't just put images of a creature up as a suggestion. You've gotta explain what the creature would do and what role it would serve
robust jolt
@indigo sun I believe that in addition to being a different creature, it would be nice to see her hunting in the woods or in pastures with flocks, a fast animal, agile, light, not so strong more with a poticking pecker making bleeding
indigo sun
Neither of these seem fitting for the isle, in my opinion. Large flightless birds would serve no purpose that a dinosaur couldn't easily fill. Theyre basically low tier carnivores and herbivores that' we've already got.
robust jolt
most almost all carnivores are similar, are not they?
indigo sun
Being "different" isn't a legitimate reason for being added
jovial skiff
Terror birds are cool just not fitting for The Isle
indigo sun
and looking nice really isn't either. So it's a small bird that bleeds things out? dilo's got that covered. Doesn't do a lot of damage? none of the low tiers do a ton of damage to larger things anyway
well, small in comparison the other things in the isle
night mountain
Terror birds are really cool but honestly I can't think of anything that'd make them mechanically unique ;c
now something like argentavis or pelagornis i'm game for though
edgy furnace
^
robust jolt
How is the game recoding?
blazing charm
Terror birds would need some kind of unique mechanical reason to be implemented.
What could a Terror bird do that say, a Raptor, Cerato or even Carno couldn't?
dreamy portal
Jump off mountains and hover kukuku..
but really though nothing comes to mind that would make them better choices for this dinosaur game
misty island
@blazing charm since terror birds don’t have teeth, maybe it can be a low tier executioner where it can gulp down small ais and hatchlings
Not that it make any difference lmfao
You one shot hatchlings with anyadults anyways
Other than that I can’t think of anything
I mean it was basically a replacement for rexs in terms of food chain
Apex that both hunts with ultra senses
And often bully away any other animals for big corpses
Really can’t see much in it for TI
thorny lynx
@night mountain That's how tapetum lucidum works in animals. It reflects visible light back through the retina, which gives that eye glow. Think predators.
night mountain
That's true, but it doesn't happen unless light is specifically hitting them in the eyes at the right angle. They don't just glow constantly like mothman
i live with multiple nocturnal animals and keep the house pretty dark and have never seen eye glow even once unless you're like specifically shining a light in their face haha
brittle bough
i just like to think that we are watching the dinosaur through some camera lol, with the eye glow and the style of the dead screen in mind
refer to my suggestion for the mechanic of "closing ur eyes"
night mountain
I get that, I wouldn't mind it if it was just an unrealistic thing, its just frustrating hiding at close range at night is impossible because you're constantly glowing for no real reason
you can just clip your head into the trunk of a tree i guess but thats not really ideal
eye closing is also cool but having to go blind to not be glowing constantly at night is also frustrating
brittle bough
i figure the glowing eyes are to give players a chance to see their assassin coming in the night, like more of a mechanic thing than any kind of realism thing
night mountain
I'd be down for just like, small herbivores not glowing or something
my gripe is mostly the small species having camouflage basically not be an option at night no matter your colors
probably doesnt effect anything large and obvious much
barren zephyr
I rather have the glow of the eyes tbh
Because if you think about if they make night darker and you can use night vision it is quite nice to see something or for hunting also it is useless right now it is because most players exploits the night time with gamma and with other devices
loud vine
And the fact that, like with cats, the very little light at night reflects back.
So it's technically realistic. They could dim it slightly, so it isn't overly obvious.
night mountain
It really doesn't. Especially out in the wild where it's even darker unless they have moonlight hitting them right in the eyes or something. Like think of cats, do people here have cats they can easily find at any point in the dark because their eyes are constantly glowing?
even with gators you generally have to shine a spotlight or etc right into their eyes in the dark to see it, or something similar
loud vine
Not my point exactly, but I mean if a source of light passes, or the moon is out.
Or if lightning is going on from a storm, it could show for a few seconds.
night mountain
Oh yeah thats true for sure
loud vine
If humans are added, torches and flashlights would also do it.
night mountain
yeah THAT would be really cool
im just saying being a small dinosaur wedged under a tree at night trying to hide theres no real reason to have your eyes glowing as a "come eat me" beacon
loud vine
I actually agree with whoever put the scent thing where it gets heavier from being in an area too long, for example, murky pond. I would assume it happens with animals, and it does happen if there's a place like at Disney World, where they're selling hotdogs and such.
Sure, light from sources can give you away, but the scent thing makes quite a bit of sense.
night mountain
yeah the scent thing makes sense and would be cool
loud vine
The reason they might be making the eyes glow no matter what currently is probably due to they'd need the recode to go further with it.
night mountain
yeah makes sense
its nto a huge deal atm because half the time you're sitting under a tree your head is phased through the trunk anyway
brittle bough
i just try to have some of the leaves blocking my face, look down-ish, and hope for the best lol
loud vine
What do you guys think of humans, when possibly added, having the ability to make and use Bolas, they could be used to snare an animals feet to hunt it, or if timed right, trap a deinosuchus (or kaprosuchus) jaws shut for a time, to either kill it or flee.
Merchanaries would probably be able to make longer lasting ones out of metal if they can forge, but tribals would probably be better at using their stone weighted ones just due to being around dinosaurs more often.
jade schooner
@violet magnet I haven't played much lately, are the idles happening right away? If that's the case, instead of just make them "rare/special" a timer before "complicated" idles happen, idk... 5-10 seconds. It's not to long, but not too short
cedar echo
@violet magnet cant you just step forward a tiny little bit once to reset the animation so you can eat the food properly?
violet magnet
@jade schooner the current idles play on a loop for as long as you're standing still
@cedar echo I usually have to tap the W key to get my head in the right position, then if I don't press E in time it'll just resume playing the idle animation at the spot where it was before I tapped W...usually with my allo's head turned sideways. Moving doesn't seem to reset it
jade schooner
ok then, I feel like they should make a "breathing and gentle movement" idles for the general time, and every now and then play the more complicated idles like you mentioned
Instead of going all out with their movement right away
jade schooner
yea
paper oriole
i have to crouch to eat a ton of the time on allo especially when eating a kill in a group, bastards sway so much
the idle should only start after 10-15sec of standing still imo, i do like the yawning and looking around ani but it gets in the way sometimes
still temple
complex idles are so annoying
like they look cool
but why have it on a constant loop?
violet magnet
trying to make an aesthetically pleasing skin while the dino's swaying to invisible music
"fuckin' hold still while i try to make you pretty"
@hoary ocean this already happens...? The skins saving across servers thing
lilac swallow
This do happen
hoary ocean
Hmm never knew that, I made a skin on a sandbox and it didn't end up on another server
lilac swallow
Do you maybe play on 2 different pc?
hoary ocean
nope
lilac swallow
So idk
violet magnet
if you make a skin on the adult dino in sandbox it won't transfer over to a juvie of that dino in another server, no
hoary ocean
that explains it
violet magnet
the game reads them as different dinos so you'd need separate skin presets for each one
dry cradle
@lone hatch who'll were at it make sprinting increase stam, cos why not
leaden trellis
@cedar frigate There already is a growth feature for admins. It's just not able to be chosen a specific growth percentage, only the stage.....(fresh adult, full adult, etc.)
indigo sun
Yes theyre aware of that. They're asking for the ability to choose percentage a percentage.
leaden trellis
Just wanted to make sure
Some people aren't aware of everything in game, and there is a lot too remember in this game.
elder swan
@keen trail that's what happened to me theo ther day. i tried relogging, restarting the game, and neither o f those worked, so i attacked a few times that that seemed ot fix it
keen trail
Usually for me the only thing that works is just pretty much going afk for a bit or joining a different server
@night mountain ok I’m late to this a little, idk if anyone has already told you this... but glowing eyes aren’t “magical” they are real thing. When you shine light on stuff in the dark the eyes reflect the light back.
lament thorn
They were saying it didn't make sense since there wasn't direct light constantly on the eyes
keen trail
o
I don’t see where they say anything about light in the eyes
@barren zephyr there already is a way. Just do shift+tab and look at top left corner and it will give you a session time, how many hours you have in game, and how many hours in the past 2 weeks you’ve played
lament thorn
Just scroll up in this chat
barren zephyr
hmm okay
lament thorn
Bunch of people basically said the same thing as you
night mountain
Yeah, reflective eyes don't work like that at all so it's not really a realism thing. I used to sleep in the same room as both a cat and a good sized alligator and seeing any eyes glowing at all was a really rare thing unless you were shining a flashlight around or etc
I'm assuming people saying this have most of their animal experience through just looking at pictures or something, that does make eyes reflect pretty often so maybe thats why people assume they shine constantly? idk
Also for deino heres a good 2 call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTNeNUXR6qw
4 call could be just either a really deep version of the baby chirp, or more deep throaty inhaling/exhaling or hissing, thats the sound a lot of gators make when they've kind of given up in a fight. Thats the noise mine would make when you had him totally restrained anyway
bright echo
Anyone else wish there was a way to see where your dino is on the map
night mountain
there is
uh, except in sandbox servers where you cant see the character screen at least
bright echo
How do you access it?
indigo sun
You get your latitude and longitude on the insert screen
bright echo
I'm constantly dying of either thirst or hunger simply because I got lost
bright echo
I'll try it next time I'm on
night mountain
yeah, shows your exact location on the map, is crazy useful
bright echo
I get a little frustrated cause I'll be looking for food or water and I feel I'm missing everything cause I don't know where I am.
brittle bough
use this map and your life will become so much easier
http://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/map_en.html#
bright echo
@brittle bough Thank you! I'll give it a try.
dreamy portal
also in game you can click your long/lat and it will auto copy it for you so you don't have to type out the coordinates, just paste them in directly.@bright echo
barren zephyr
They should just put a map in the game at this point
bright echo
@barren zephyr Agreed
umbral prairie
don't we have clips of the devs using an in-game map? Idk if it is planned to be released to the public though
jovial blade
They should just add that in game lol
indigo sun
@undone pike the wikis for the isle are inaccurate, I'd say don't trust them.
undone pike
@indigo sun do you have a valid source?
indigo sun
Ask someone here. They know more than the people who make wikis do. And they generally have charts and stuff with weight, health, damage and other stats
umbral prairie
also why do you want it to have lower health
it already has a pretty low weight for what it is
and idk if it has more health or not, but I think whatever health it has is fine
I don't think they will change how bleed works before the recode
also
night mountain
oh yeah i didnt necessarily mean before the recode
umbral prairie
they already have a new system for health, stam, bleed and bb finalized
night mountain
just saying its a weird frustrating issue, especially when you arent even being hunted, just kinda stuck there starving for ages
OH
umbral prairie
we don't know what it will do
night mountain
then thats rad hopefully it fixes that
umbral prairie
but dondi seemed very happy about it
umbral prairie
I don't think so
laying down in general helps
but not in specific areas
or it was 3 years ago when I didn't know about this game
spice hull
I know laying down in general does. But meh XD
Idk. I was told that a couple years ago (I think it was?) when the stam bar was a yellow footprint. Again, I could've been lied to shrugs
night mountain
Some of the bleed times are insane, doesnt cama bleed for like, literal hours sometimes haha
(yes yes I know not survival)
spice hull
Lol true
barren zephyr
@night mountain carnos could easily abuse that and maias and gallis and sucho would abuse it
night mountain
How??
it wouldnt effect carnivores on any level
i think youre misreading it or something
barren zephyr
they can run across the map
night mountain
what does that have to do with anything at all?
barren zephyr
they would have one hp by runing across the map with bleed
umbral prairie
they did say that you would only be able to walk
barren zephyr
but for bleeder how we proposed to know if it is almost dead with one hp or something
night mountain
also im saying to not even give the option to walk with bleed until like, 10 minutes after the last bite
barren zephyr
and plus they can make it where you drain your hunnger and waater much slower
if you are bleeding
night mountain
if you think being able to walk after 10 minutes of being forced to sit in one spot is an exploitable way to escape someone idk what to tell you lol
barren zephyr
plus the easiest way to counter it is to keep an eye on your food and water and to keep it above 70 atleast i never had that problem
night mountain
yeah it isn't impossible to counter, just saying its a super annoying slow thing that doesn't even benefit the person hunting you
anyway hopefully the apparent bleed overhaul fixes things a bit 😄
barren zephyr
yep but not like where your at 10% bleed while running and you can run away forever and not die to bleed that was quite dumb tbh
when they first introduce it
@pulsar lake your saying that 4 gigas should be the limit and 5rexes are the max limit for them
?
barren zephyr
i feel like should be the limit 3gigas and 2rexes and then 3 or 4trikes as for the limit tbh
languid ember
cama isn't in survival so
barren zephyr
but soon it will be is
pulsar lake
They don't need it currently
2 giga fuck a cama easly
Solo too
With bleed
But 5 giga on a poor juvi dilo
Just why ?
barren zephyr
3 gigas for hunting camaras and not getting completely rekt by a rex pair
not with solo if the cam knows what they are doing
languid ember
the gigas can just not fight the rexes?
barren zephyr
camara heals rather quickly when standing
night mountain
for the record even against giga packs cama can usually kill at least one
at least if you know how to abuse the broken hitbox and timing on the stomp
barren zephyr
plus even if the rexes knows what it is doing they will still destroy gigas when they nerf the bite dmg and speed
marble ether
Pack size resize
To this day I don't know why pack sizes are allowed to be this big. I mean, why would anyone ever need 5 rexes or 12 allos in 1 pack? It's not practical and just plain dumb. Suggestion for pack size resizes, carnivore only.
Rex: 1-2
Giga: 2-3
Sucho: 3-4
Allo: 3-4
Carno: 4-5
Cerato: 4-5
Dilo: 6
Utah: 6
My suggestion from 2 days back
thorny lynx
Allo could afford 5-6 members
Carnos 6 tops, cerato 6 tops
Dilos 8, utahs 8
Ceratos are honestly garbage and easily disposable as of now.
marble ether
But why would there need to be 5-6 allos
marble ether
Myeahh but That's only for 1 dino
thorny lynx
Bet your ass once larger herbivores come into play, group sizes will increase in mid-tiers.
verbal acorn
Apex carnivore packs sizes are allowed to be ridiculously too large....especially considering server size. One pack of Rexes can equate to easily 5-10% of server population...
night mountain
Yeah ive never gotten the 5 rex thing either
indigo sun
@gleaming gyro giga doesnt need to be fast to get away from rex. It just has to move before rex is within ambushing range. and rex doesn't need passive stam regen. That's its trade off for the speed. it is fast for a short time and cant just ambush again after a few seconds cause its managed enough stamina. I'd like to point out that these speeds are not based on real life, as I've said before. They're balance based.
And making giga faster when it destroys practically every mid tier already is basically giving mid and low tiers a middle finger. Rex is fast because it's an ambush predator, giga is meant to trot its prey down, bleed it out. It's slower, but its got trotting stam regen which means it can run more than rex can, plus its got more stamina
Dilo doesn't need jump. Galli's jump is practically useless for any height so I don't see the reason to give it a shitty jump. Dilo bleeds things out and runs around them, doesnt jump on em.
I'll agree with the galli thing, and I have no opinion on cerato, though people agree it should get a buff in that area
Making giga faster and rex slower completely eliminates the niches they both fill
fickle geyser
whats the ruling on body down?
indigo sun
it sucks, not a rule on officials so it doesnt matter here
fickle geyser
damn
indigo sun
sorry, i dont wanna have to stop a hunt cause my buddy was an idiot
gleaming gyro
@indigo sun right now giga is pretty underwhelming when growing. It can be a painful process. They are just so slow. Especially when adults always need to crouch for their juvies to keep up. It is helpful for stealth, but the Rex can keep a trot and his juvies follow well on their own. At the very least the juvies and subs need a significant speed boost since their rex competators are speedsters in comparison.
And I know that the Rex is ambush oriented, but because the rex has such good run speeds, the giga lost a fair amount of viability compared to the rex because the rex is always faster when it counts. It is far more explosive and with careful stalking can almost gaurentee a kill or at least a leg break. I'm not asking for the Giga to move at 50 km/hr, maybe just 1 or 2 km/hr more for base run (not ambush) and maybe reduce their stam or passive stam regen to compensate. And the rex should lose maybe 1 km/hr of it's ambush so it isn't a death sentance up close.
And Dilo jump wouldnt be necessarily helpful if small, but at the least lets it climb and get our of sticky spots. It isn't going to be viable in combat like leaping utahs.
hallow vigil
@keen trail thats more of a post for #401481402782056460 or #401465476661641217 , saying things like "please fix a bug" isnt really a suggestion
(talking about your "fix this" video thing)
gleaming gyro
Sorry for writing paragraphs...
indigo sun
Giga should be a bit better to grow, I agree. But it doesn't need to be faster as an adult when an attentive trike, one of the slowest animals in the game, can manage to just get up and waddle away before rex can manage to ambush it. Letting a rex get too close should be a death sentence because it should teach you to pay attention and start moving before it can catch you. I don't know how giga lost viability because rex was balanced unless you mean that giga can't fight it, in which case it shouldn't.
most everything can manage to not get killed by rex, as long as it pays attention to its surroundings and moves before rex gets too close
gleaming gyro
Fair enough. I changed my suggestion to be less drastic as far as giga vs rex goes.
I mean, I did offer the rex a little buff to help it if it were slower. Being able to turn better would mean more reliable damage and BB in head on combat and a passive stamina Regen would help a lot since when stamina is out as a Rex, it can be game over. So I don't think it is unreasonable. Rexes would still have faster ambushes and Giga wouldn't be so comparatively slow in a Sprint.
But I know when the latest rex speed buff dropped, Rexes were the dominant presence and still are. I typically see 3 Rexes for every Giga and it should be a little bit more even.
grand brook
You got it wrong, the problem it's not that you see 3 rexes for every giga and thus there should be more gigas, the ideal situation would be that both rexes and gigas should be in low numbers. You see more rexes because people tend to prefer them, they are slightly more viable if they ever encounter themeselves in a fight as juvies, subs and adults, not that it matters since the main reason you see a lot of them is because they hide in a corner of the map under a tree, avoiding the risk of a fight, filling their greasy throats with ai that spawns when their hunger gets at 70%.
jovial arch
Yeah, just wait for devs to fix ai, the current system is temporary
thorny lynx
Rex and giga should be just as viable for what they do
In a way, Giga is the king of bleed and Rex is the king of damage.
But people constantly pit gigas against rexes because that's the only thing that can giga, pretty much.
normal fern
Giga is invincible against e erything other than a rex.
Apparently that's not enough for some people
indigo sun
They think giga should fight rex just because theyre both apexes
normal fern
^
By their logic Allo should fight sucho because their both mid-tiers
Or cerato should fight Allo
night mountain
Out of curiosity, hows giga against a spino?
feral wedge
@trail ore Spino is currently only available on Sandbox servers, normally.
trail ore
Is there no way that I can buy the spino or get it by points?
brittle bough
not on the official servers, but other servers like isla nublar offer that
trail ore
ok, so where do I pay? lol
brittle bough
join their server and their discord to figure that out, you wont find much help with them here lol
trail ore
there are more servers to join? I thought everything was done on this one.
k thanks for the help
edgy furnace
@cedar echo that’s a myth
They’re just extremely venomous
same thing been suggested 3 times and they’re all only a few messages apart
paper oriole
"Yes let's make the rex annoying as fuck as a juvie too because seeing rexes everywhere isn't bad enough"
edgy furnace
^
paper oriole
If anything at all a bacterial bite should go to scavengers like cera and herrera, not rex
edgy furnace
Or bleed cause that pretty much has the same purpose
paper oriole
Basically
night mountain
komodo bite infections aren't entirely a myth
they're venomous and it makes wounds not coagulate well
but when they bite most large mammals they run into mud wallows that are like 50% mud 50% shit and then lay in it for extended amounts of time and THEN get horrendous infections
white torrent
I sorta agree with the you’re suggestion @mighty saffron . I always thought some of the threatens needed MORE, to be.. threatening- the cerato being one that needs more. Right now, it’s thteaten call doesn’t look, or sound very threatening
At all
It would be amazing it if snarled, and hissed, or showed off its long
mighty saffron
The Ceratos threaten sounds like angry breathing 😄
white torrent
Snaring teeth
Hah, more like a loud yawn
Either way, I wish it had MORE, to it. At the moment, it’s very underwhelming to witness
mighty saffron
I mean the normal 3 calls do have a role and should stay but with a new stance to enter when threatened or while threatening it could be augemented with automated growls, deeper 3 calls and whatever display of weaponry the animal would probably show
white torrent
Yeah I get it. Allo could hold out its Talon claws
Cerato can flash it’s butcher teeth
mighty saffron
so the unstanced 3 call would be "get outta her punk" while the stanced 3 call would be in the vein of "dont test me, boi"
white torrent
Stego can make itself look massive
mighty saffron
Allo has one of the 2 best 3 calls in the game already
white torrent
By turning his body towards his attacker
mighty saffron
the other one is the dilos
white torrent
I know right? The allo’s threaten is
Loud, and..threatening
Dilo? I always though it could use some polishing
Sucho has another, beastly threaten
mighty saffron
you sure ? Its the perfect balance IMO. Cute and cuddly 1 and 2 calls
white torrent
Standing up, making itself loom massive
mighty saffron
while the 3 call has enough hiss and gowl in it to catch you off guard
mighty saffron
Also the suchos calls, all of them, fall flat IMO. There is something missing >_>
white torrent
Ehh, to each there own haha
Some people like cerato, some(like mee) don’t care for its calls
mighty saffron
well its a large animal... and somehow sounds... mid tier. You know what i mean ?
Kind of like the current rex. The Sub sounds more threatening while the adult sounds kind of confused...
and whimpy...
mighty saffron
You never noticed that the sub rex sounds deeper than the adult ?
night mountain
oh come on you guys know you wanna pick up an anky and beat someone to death with it, dont you lie to me
white torrent
I don’t want to do that
Lol
And no I haven’t
I don’t play rex much tbh
I’m a cerato main hah
All hail cerato, the fallen king
night mountain
pue just picking up a utah and hurling it at a ptera
mighty saffron
deathmatch server. Test it out there. Sub rex sounds superior to adult. The adult is missing some oomph. Depths. Its idle growls sounds more threatening than the whimpy way to loud calls. =/
Ceratos 1 call is sick. On of my favs
mighty saffron
The sharp breathing in and the somewhat powerfull broadcast growling ? It could use some tweaking but i think its rather well done
white torrent
And no, that’s like... the reason they do that in monster hunter is because those animals are monsters
Powerful? It looks weightless
mighty saffron
Thats more a problem with the modell than the sounds.