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#general-feedback-discussion
mental sleet
brittle ivy
@mighty escarp Please don't do it again, next time will be a kick from the discord
mighty escarp
So kick the other too ? What a joke
versed blaze
Suggestion Discussion ONLY! Anything else will get a kick. Thanks.
still temple
old sunrise > current sunrise
north hemlock
👍
blazing charm
@sacred shoal I believe it was, let me see if I can grab a screenshot for you.
languid ember
dinosauriac03/24/2019
@Feralkyn Find the folder-
C/Users/Username/Appdata/Local/TheIsle/Saved/Config/WindowsNoEditor
(Appdata tends to be a hidden folder, in case it's not visible for you)
Add the following two lines to the Engine.ini file:
[Audio]
UnfocusedVolumeMultiplier=1.0
That should keep the game sound playing when it's not focused. We'll hopefully be making it a setting in the options menu further down the line.
dinosauriacs message about that
sacred shoal
Thank you so much!
languid ember
let me know if it works cause i'd like to try, just not at my pc atm
barren zephyr
Just plopped it in there myself and it's working perfectly.
sacred shoal
Prolly have to start the game again for it to work?
versed blaze
Yes
sacred shoal
Tbh as a giga it's always the contrary for me, i get rekt by rexes all the time, especially when they manage to break my leg first bite
with no alt turning it's really hard to beat a rex as a giga
unborn quail
@thorny lynx You have some stats backwards there
thorny lynx
Where
unborn quail
Giga has 6450 weight, 6k health, and 700 damage.
thorny lynx
I thought it dropped to 650
unborn quail
No
thorny lynx
Why does giga weigh that much
Rex only weighs 5.8
Why does giga weigh that much
But my suggestion is valid, right?
unborn quail
Valid for now.
The way weight is handled is changing, and said change might be coming with the recode patch
But as it stands, yes.
Concerns are valid.
languid ember
i'd much rather see a trike buff than giga nerf atm
thorny lynx
Honestly, I believe rex should have much more damage if the bone break mechanic is going to make him have less of a chance to break a bone at will
languid ember
damage wise
paper oriole
Trike is the shittiest apex in surv
thorny lynx
But he could also have a lower speed and better turn
paper oriole
It needs it lmao
unborn quail
Atm I'd rather just know what exactly is changing with weight and combat.
thorny lynx
Trike needs its armor mechanic if it is going to be viable
languid ember
would be nice with some info on what the devs have been doing
unborn quail
Armor won't make trike viable, Locational damage will do more than armor ever will
Especially when the armor would only apply to the head/frill
paper oriole
Giga doesnt need nerf while rex is the only dino running around with bb
If your argument is "they can melee rex"
paper oriole
Rex facetanks both
unborn quail
The concerns with current giga is more between it and mid tiers, rather than Giga V Rex
Just a lot of people drag rex into it
languid ember
i just fail to see how dropping gigas damage to 400 is gonna help midtiers
they will still be oneshot by bleed
really doesn't change anything except make giga helpless vs rex
paper oriole
If you see a giga just skedaddle away as anything smaller, trike is basically fucked though
unborn quail
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sacred shoal
Which, considering gigas are bigger than rexes... is kinda weird tbh
unborn quail
It's mostly due to rex actually being vulnerable to mid tier packs, while giga on the other hand, really isn't, because well, ballerina x100.
Where as rex is vulnerable due to the slower alt turn
sacred shoal
Well technically alt turn isnt realistic, so i wouldnt base a mechanic on that
languid ember
so like, cuck gigas bleed res a little bit, cuck his alt turn, he is now vulnerable to smaller dino packs. Don't nerf his damage, because it doesn't change much if anything vs midtiers, but only makes him helpless vs rex like the devs don't want, they want him to at least make rex think twice
unborn quail
Yes it is
unborn quail
Alt turn, on a certain level, is something animals can do, it just isn't completely fleshed out as it should be
languid ember
giga needs other changes than a damage nerf imo
sacred shoal
When you're as big as a rex, alt turning is not as easy as it is for humans, not with those legs imo
languid ember
he also has a higher mass now than what he had, so a small bleed res nerf wouldn't hurt
sacred shoal
Also gigas are vulnerable asf to bleed
languid ember
not really
sacred shoal
it takes forever to heal a bleed
languid ember
that is different than bleed res
unborn quail
^
sacred shoal
It is, but if you bleed, you're pretty much done for
languid ember
not when you have 6000 k health
unborn quail
Except you need max bleed for that to even happen
languid ember
takes a long ass time to bleed out
unborn quail
And you one shot everything short of another apex in the game
sacred shoal
Fair enough, it does take time to kill
unborn quail
Like, all you do as a giga is just bite, trot after, if a pack mate tries to nip yah, go ballerina and bite them.
sacred shoal
If you have the chance of doing that and don't get bone break on first bite
unborn quail
We aren't talking about rex in this case
we are talking about things trying to bleed you
sacred shoal
Ah, yes, sorry
languid ember
giga vs rex rn is how the devs want it iirc, giga shouldn't be helpless but rex almost always wins the 1v1. Remove his damage and giga is helpless vs rex
sacred shoal
Then again with a good pack tactic you can easily bleed out a giga
Unfortunately most packs are very disorganized
sacred shoal
xDDD yes, allos are the alt turn masters
languid ember
"Generalist" me up my ass
unborn quail
Hey, you leave allo alone. >:(
(Can agree however, alt turn could use a tone down)
Same with ambush run turn for that matter
languid ember
allo is pretty well balanced atm, only things i'd change is his ambush timer and alt turn
unborn quail
Mhm
unborn quail
And even then, if we had a proper ambush system, the duration wouldn't be to much of an issue
languid ember
yup
sacred shoal
I love the idea of tiny puddles; it would be nicer than the current "you stay hydrated longer in the rain"
Lick wounds is interesting, however this behavior isn't really common other than in mammals, no?
vestal rune
it does feel a bit off having that ingame, especially since there's a high chance dinos had immobile tongues
barren zephyr
Idk much about the lore in this game, but I’ve heard that the Dino’s are supposed to be super smart from their genetic modification. Maybe that could be an excuse to have them do some things that aren’t traditionally reptile/lizard things.
vestal rune
but for gameplay purposes, I feel like that would just encourage megapacking and wouldn't really add anything useful elsewhere
sacred shoal
Yeah, but how do you get your tongue out enough not to hurt your big friggin teeth
vestal rune
that's not really a valid complaint...
how do you as a human get your tongue out and not hurt your teeth?
sacred shoal
Yeah I didn't syntax correctly
how do you not hurt your tongue with those huge teeth in the way
vestal rune
we also have huge teeth in the way
sacred shoal
Yeah but our tongue is hyper flexible
vestal rune
just as large as their's proportionaly speaking
sacred shoal
Compared to, say, ducks
barren zephyr
IMO it could also encourage smaller groups as you wouldn’t need a bunch of other people with you in order to recover from a fight. Two Dino’s could feel empowered to take on a challenger larger than what they’d tackle now if there’s a way for them to recover more quickly afterwards.
vestal rune
ah like I said, dino's may have immobile tongues which is why its iffy for realism reasons
but we should think about gameplay
the thing is, groups have advantages by default
why even add more of an advantage?
sacred shoal
Gameplay-wise it could be interesting, but i wouldn't call it "lick your wounds" more than, idk, pack immunity
or roll in mud or something
There are more realistic ways to handle the healing problem i think 🤔 but the mechanics are interesting to think about, i agree
vestal rune
I just don't see the point
you no longer die from bleed post-combat anyway
so in order to get use out of that system you'd need to use it in-combat
which would require atleast 3-4 members
which goes into megapacking territory for large dinos
sacred shoal
Good point
barren zephyr
You’re pretty much immobile while bleeding since you really want to sit down to heal it. Speed up the healing and you’re mobile again.
sacred shoal
Though it could be good for dinos that take a long time to heal up
vestal rune
that's the consequence of going into combat though
sacred shoal
yeah
thorny lynx
I Guess everyone just skipped over mine.
vestal rune
from what I skimmed over you really didn't say anything new
barren zephyr
Right, and you could plan ahead and bring a friend in order to mitigate that downside. Not completely remove the downside, but mitigate it a bit.
thorny lynx
Well, this 'lick wounds' isn't anything new either.
vestal rune
I've never heard of it
also it's more the fact that you're suggestion seems to be what they already planned
sacred shoal
tbh Dryo, it's a lot to take in
I would agree for some of the things, for others i'm not sure, and I don't really know how to respond to such a long chunk of text!
uneven epoch
Tbh the lick wounds thing has more options for gameplay then reality
thorny lynx
I just hate how Rex is slow to turn in close-combat situations.
uneven epoch
That's why alt turn is a thing lol
thorny lynx
His alt+turn is the slowest of all carnis
It's more slow than most dinos can run around him
unborn quail
That's really the balance point on rex
Aside from stamina '
It's vulnerable due to its turn, which makes it not an immortal death machine
thorny lynx
He has too many drawbacks to him. Slow to turn, really bad heal, bad bleed heal, slow bite...
Without his bone break, he'd be hot garbage
I'm an avid rex fan and even I can admit that.
obsidian matrix
u do know that rex has the best heal in the game?
700 while resting
both giga and trike have something with 300 heal...
thorny lynx
It has 700 heal because it has 6500 health
thorny lynx
Every other carni heals in 5 minutes or less
obsidian matrix
and 350 heal
thorny lynx
Then buff Trike's heal to something like 800
night mountain
its honestly beyond me why all the apexs aren't dead even in power level
obsidian matrix
rex can take on a spino and that thing is not even balanced, bone break wins most of the fights even against op non survival dinos
night mountain
imo bone break is broken and shouldn't be on any of the apexs
obsidian matrix
this
night mountain
MAYBE deino if it can't grapple beacuse it'll be slow as hell
personally though i'd only give it to anky and maybe for pachy on smaller things
uneven epoch
Well realisticly a rex could break something's bone
But everything could do that to something smaller
So the fact that rex is the only thing with bb is annoying
night mountain
especially when its like, a leg
i doubt rex made a habit of just flying out of nowhere and shattering something's femur
sacred shoal
a pachy should be able to break bones imo
uneven epoch
Yeah it could do it but it's not going to be able to just walk up slap something and have its leg break
Like
It would have to go for like lower leg
And really hit it to
lilac swallow
You know locatinal dmg will be a thing right?
uneven epoch
Yeah but biting the hip wouldn't break the leg lol
night mountain
yes but the leg is still easy to hit and jst breaking a leg would still be a really hard thing to do even for a rex
like hyenas crunch bone np and you dont see them shattering animals legs
uneven epoch
Yeah
pale prairie
you all seem to be forgetting about the new bonebreak system.
uneven epoch
He would have a better chance of pulling on its leg and dislocating a leg
thorny lynx
But hyenas don't bite with a force of 12000 newtons
lilac swallow
First this game isnt a simulator
Second you 2 understimate real life rex
night mountain
they also go after much smaller animals
pale prairie
new system for bonebreak
https://www.twitch.tv/thedondi/clip/CredulousInnocentNarwhalBloodTrail?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time
night mountain
I really don't, animals don't just bite and break each other legs. going for a leg like that wouldn't even be a good strategy
theres a reason predators in general don't target legs
lilac swallow
Again this game isnt a simulator
sacred shoal
it's not, but it still needs to be realistic ish
if you target the tail it ain't gonna kill something
night mountain
My problem isnt its not realistic, its that its broken AND unrealisitic
pale prairie
new combat system
sacred shoal
like it does right now
wintry cipher
@barren zephyr good idea; though raptors actually would not be able to abuse it much since they heal hp worth crap (it takes a good half hour if not more to heal to full, and thats IF you live from being hit). Dilos if anything may be the biggest case of potential abuse, but their slightly lower speed leaves them vulnerable to being tailed and killed to prevent licking to heal up. Perhaps instead of a cooldown that can feel clunky, the act of licking doubles or buffs the bleed healed by a flat number (5)? This means if someone has a lot of bleed on them, they would still have to sit for a while! They'd just have slightly more hp left at the end of it due to not bleeding as long as they would have.
sacred shoal
yep I did
pale prairie
new bonebreak system and the new combat system will completely change how rex fights.
night mountain
general question, did dinosaur tongues even ALLOW them to lick things
sacred shoal
I'm just saying, ofc the neck is gonna do more damage than anything else
I don't think so xD
versed blaze
Locational. Damage.
lilac swallow
And btw whats is gonna kill our current rex without bb, every mid tier would resist a bite and run away due to Rex shitty stam and slow bite speed
night mountain
i just keep thinking of that old jp book where the rex has like a long 6 foot tongue lmao
uneven epoch
Yeah but if your not gonna give bb to everything then why have it at all? Like even a Bird can break a mouse's leg so bb should be for every dino towards something smaller
Even if it's like the slightest chance
night mountain
i'd be ok with that, at least its not a super spechul rex thing
indigo sun
Rex currently uses bone break to slow its prey down so it can kill it and have a chance of keeping it close enough to kill. Nothing else really has that problem so there's no point in giving those things bone break
lilac swallow
You know how you avoid getting killed by rex bb? Dont getting bitten, you should never stay close to a rex
night mountain
yeah anky should be bb king for sure
night mountain
I play things that die in one hit to rex usually so it's not really my problem, but its dumb to see rex bbing shants and etc
uneven epoch
Cause that's how it would be in real life
wintry cipher
....rex doesnt have much else in regards to special abilities like allo's grapple and utah's pounce, or trike's charge and giga's flesh grazing. its entire thing is snapping your legs. and as Nines said, it needed it. and the current system of bb is broken. once the recode is in it wont be, and we will likely see more dinos with bb again shrug
lilac swallow
Exactly Rex abilty is bb
Regardless bb is getting rworked so no point on talking about getting rid of it
indigo sun
Its not just like "oh giga should get bone break just because its big" rex is slow as fuck, it has shit stamina. It isn't meant to chase prey down like giga would. It's meant to fuck its prey up real quick and be able to finish the job then and there
There are other things that have absolutely no need for bone break. Should anky get bone break? fuck yeah it's got a thick ass club on its tail. But not everything needs bone break to kill and that could seriously fuck up balance
night mountain
yeah if the recode or locational fixes it somehow that's cool too
uneven epoch
But everything should have bb rex should have a higher chance but anything can break something's leg
night mountain
i still think at the VERY least rex bb shouldn't take away people's attacks
wintry cipher
game balance is more important than realistic balance
otherwise youll have maias running around again breaking things for trikes to kill
indigo sun
No, not everything should have bone break. Not everything needs bone break like rex does. Rex relies on that shit to keep it alive so it can get food
well, it gets food which keeps it alive
That wording looks confusing
lilac swallow
The only 2 attack that bb neutralizes are para frail(a dino who simply cant fight a rex) and trike stomp(an attack that currently is useless)
thorny lynx
I have a feeling people're going to yell at me about my latest feedback, but I think it needed to be said.
uneven epoch
And shant stomp
lilac swallow
Shant is irrelevant
lilac swallow
Sandbox unbalanced dino
indigo sun
Shant is non survival and irrelevant to balancing conversations. If it gets added in, then it can be part of this discussion but sandbox dinosaurs are unbalanced and should not be referenced in these conversations.
night mountain
So what. we can't talk about upcoming things? lol
leaden night
A couple gores
lilac swallow
Gore is better but lets no argue that
uneven epoch
Yeah shant is very relevant
thorny lynx
I kind of hope after all these mechanics are in, some more focus will be put on some of the models and animations.
uneven epoch
Yes same
indigo sun
There's been nothing currently showing that shant will come to survival any time soon unless I missed some shit recently but sure why the fuck not
thorny lynx
Because I've noticed Rex's legs always clip into his sides when he takes a step forward. His sides are too big
night mountain
its in a shitload of servers already, its pretty relevant
thorny lynx
His belly should be massive, not his sides.
night mountain
especially when its only like, a small part of what im talking about
indigo sun
Rex legs have already been fixed and it's had a shitton of remodels already
lilac swallow
Irrelevant if not an officialy released dino
night mountain
So why do people not say this when people talk about spino? or ptera?
lilac swallow
Ptera is confirmed
indigo sun
We know those are both coming eventually
indigo sun
Spino's getting a remodel sometime and ptera already exists and just needs mechanics and to be put into the game
night mountain
Its basically finished and in the game, do the devs tend to just make entire dinosaurs and then never use them ever or something?
i guess maybe thats true looking at the hypos, idk
indigo sun
Shant can end up ai, which I wouldn't be surprised if it was because there's already a few hadrosaurs and no need for another one as I see it. And hypos are fucking coming if you just wait for them to be ready
lilac swallow
shant has been here for a long time thats why we have It rn
night mountain
its almost like a dinosaur that's already being played in the majority of servers is relevant to gameplay even if it isn't technically survival
lilac swallow
The same servers that disables alt turn?
Because many servers disable it and not for It we consider no alt turn relevant
night mountain
i like how this all started from me offhandedly mentioning shant and it not really having anything to do with anything anyway
It's like, only a small part of things, it's like someone mentioning water mechanics and everyone just starts parroting how bary isn't in survival even though only like one person mentioned it and the discussion was about how water works in general.
indigo sun
Going back to the original discussion, no, not everything should get bone break because this isn't like "oh an eagle can break a goose's leg" or some shit. Bone break is relied on as a way of being able to actually kill things rex doesnt one shot because otherwise rex wouldn't be able to catch anything it didn't one shot. The attacks it does stop from happening are leg attacks it makes sense that a triceratops with a broken leg can't stomp or a para with a broken leg cant kick its broken limb out and hit something.
night mountain
yeah everything having bb would prolly be pretty weird
indigo sun
Bone break doesnt exist just because a rex can break bones. It exists as a way for rex to catch its prey
night mountain
im sure there'd be a ton of balance problems, or the bb would be for way smaller things you'd one hit anyway
lilac swallow
Without bb Rex needs either a dmg buff to one shot any mid tier or way more stam
indigo sun
There's no reason for something fast to break the leg of something smaller than it because it can easily catch up to its prey
Rex is perfectly fine the way it is. Bone break is kinda meh, but rex needs it.
night mountain
yeah, imo i still think the ones with any business having it are anky pachy and MAYBE deino depending on it if can grapple or not
with all the corpse dragging and etc stuff they seem to be working on rn though i'd bet on deino being able to grapple
indigo sun
There's apparently evidence that pachy's skull and body in general could not withstand the force of slamming its head into something
So maybe not pachy. I think pachy should get some buffs in other areas as other people have previously pointed out
night mountain
Really? I can see it but is there any other speculated reason it'd have a head like that?
lilac swallow
We should head to paleotalk
indigo sun
Okay
tepid light
@sacred shoal Find the folder-
C/Users/Username/Appdata/Local/TheIsle/Saved/Config/WindowsNoEditor
(Appdata tends to be a hidden folder, in case it's not visible for you)
Add the following two lines to the Engine.ini file:
[Audio]
UnfocusedVolumeMultiplier=1.0
That should keep the game sound playing when it's not focused. We'll hopefully be making it a setting in the options menu further down the line.
sacred shoal
yep, already been addressed! But thanks anyway ♥
tepid light
ahh 😁
versed blaze
I pinned it in #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧
pulsar lake
I think @thorny lynx you have forgot the stegosaurus in apex.
I'm going to react of your suggestion and give you my oppinion of what will become apex's balance.
Rex.
I imagine more rex faster than giga but he doesn't have any stam, like now, but a trot speed buff like you said. His turn can be good in walk only, in trot it shouldn't be very good and in run no more.
With location damage it's what I want for rex, 100% bone break if it's leg or several damage at the neck, head, back.
Giganotosaurus.
Giganotosaurus can be like now, with a speed boost in sprint but his trot speed can be a little bit nerfed and his ambush is not super fast. It's a tracker and not an ambusher like Rex. His turn radius can be nerfed in trot and walk but buffed in sprint, but not like before (he turned like an allo in sprint 
).
His damage are correct right now and bleed too. This don't need to be change.
And sure, location damage can play with bleed application, best his neck and body, little bone break if the leg is hitten.
Triceratops.
Triceratops with colision and location damage will become a tank. Face tank will be impossible.
His horns can be broken by rex bite but Rex can be impalleled by it in the head.
In the legs, horns can do a severe bone break and in the body it will a massiv bleed, in the neck is the death.
Nothing to change with this system but right now, trike need a damage buff to 600 or 625.
Stegosaurus.
Stegosaurus isn't in the game now but I imagine him not like a tank, he is more squishy than trike but with his tail swift it can do more damage and bleed than the other one. It can have an apex weight mass so like 6 tonnes or 7, something like that for not be easy to kill.
He don't need to be fast, see his animation and what kind of dino is it, it is not do for run but for fight.
Spinosaurus.
Spinosaurus is like Stegosaurus, not in the game. So we can't know what it will become.
Spinosaurus can be the Tank of Theropods. Massive health and weight mass but he doesn't have a great damage but it will need to be able to do 1v1 to other apex, like sucho vs allo or other mid tiers.
I hope than spino gameplay won't be dumb like "I RUN IN EVERYTHING I'M SO HEAVY SO I DON'T CARE", no please no. Spinosaurus will have less damage with his jaw like you said but some several with his claws.
It will do massiv damage but for doing this attack and don't spam it, it will need stamina. Bite will do more bleed than claws to balance it. After it will be like the best swimmer, except Deinosuchus, and be a great fisher.
You will be excellent but you'll need of a lot or big fish.
thorny lynx
Honestly, giga doesn't need the damage that he does with his superior bite speed. 700 is way too much for something that gives rex max bleed in two bites.
pulsar lake
I've not talked about some other dinosaurs apex who can come in the game like ankylosaurus and the balance after it with mid tier, little dinosaurs.
Giga give max bleed in two bite.
After apex need to be balance.
thorny lynx
There are too many gigas meleeing rex, which isn't what you use a giga for, but people're insisting on it because it works and they're too afraid of the shit damage giga used to have
pulsar lake
The one who will play better than the other will win.
thorny lynx
Giga used to have 350 damage, deal 35 bleed, and weigh 6 tons. Now it does 700 damage, 50 bleed, and weighs 6.45 tons.
lilac swallow
Giga bites way faster
pulsar lake
Before it was 7 for giga and rex 8
Don't forget than movment will be change and ass riding won't exist, like alt turn.
lilac swallow
Alt turn is staying idk why you think not
thorny lynx
It's the fact giga has fantastic bleed, but they aren't utilizing the mechanic. Why risk damaging a rex when you can bite him twice and trot away laughing like a madman while rex loses all of his stamina trying to chase you
pulsar lake
It will be change
thorny lynx
I really hope so.
lilac swallow
The real issue is, why play the brawler if the bleeder is just as good at brawling
pulsar lake
Or us
Because Bone break
After giga can stay with 700 damage
But it's not normal than it kill in 3 bite all mid tier
It should be more
With the recode I think the balance game will be changed.
grand brook
You could actually lower the dibble herd size to be the same as allos, as they handle them pretty well and if they join trikes they can make for an almost untouchable herd. Other than that these numbers are good and I agree with the sugestion
lilac swallow
Actually dibbles are stronger than allos
wintry cipher
@sacred shoal that used to be a thing and was removed because of abuse to hunt carnivores. just like how sniffing while moving was.
pulsar lake
Dibbles are stronger than allos right but they are herbis. But yes I think between 6 or 8 is a good limit.
vestal moth
sooooo what about a map in the future that holds multiple biomes?
viral creek
We already have multiple biomes
mental sleet
Go on.
viral creek
Even more biomes are planned
vestal moth
i remmeber being told about somethings close ish to that idea but im thinking like on ark level biomes like snowy area swamp area think jungle area wide open plains area.
viral creek
We already have a jungle/swamp. Birch forest, and basic bitch forest.
Redwoods is planned
mental sleet
Birch and basic bitch are... essentially the same ?
viral creek
Different trees
vestal moth
i know we have some yes but i am thinking more distinct
viral creek
I mean technically they're different
but I wouldn prefer something more distinct
cough semiarid desert pls.
vestal moth
well another thing that makes me think of that is i feel there should be a bit more drive for herbivores. cause i have played as one found a spot with tons of food and water and never moved. which can be nice if your an herbivore but sometimes a bit boring and for the carnivores i personally feel i can travel forever and struggle what feels like more then i need to just to find food. idk does that makes sence?
shell willow
@barren zephyr I like the idea a lot but tbh I don't think it's physically possible for most dinos to stick out their tongues far enough to lick something.
barren zephyr
Yeah a few people have said that so far. But then I remember we have genetically modified hypo versions of dinosaurs, so realism isn’t really the top priority.
shell willow
I agree, realism isn't a top priority, but the anatomy still has to be somewhat believable. It'd look hella weird for a utah to stretch the hell out of its tongue like that.
inner valley
I think tar pits is actually a really nice idea, it punishes players that underestimate the terrain and don't look where they're going, and sounds like a pretty interesting way to kill a predator on your tail if you can do it right or can manage to jump across
@night mountain
torpid wedge
you don’t have to stretch the tongue...
they could just get in a set animation
where the other dino moves its head real close
and it couldnt be interrupted so you’d both be vulnerable
night mountain
omg jumping over pits while someone is chasing you would be SO fun, hadn't even considered that
inner valley
yeah! imagine being a utah and getting ambushed by an allo, then jumping over a tar pit and them running into it before they can even react or realize what they've just done
night mountain
also people getting stuck trying to eat OTHER people who are stuck
night mountain
especially cool if ptera was able to land on stuck bodies and eat at em
inner valley
y e s
okay now i really want tar pits to be a thing
probably my favorite suggestion i've ever seen
night mountain
<333
inner valley
❤
night mountain
make them especially dangerous after rain when the water pools on top and they just look like lakes
inner valley
a member of a sucho pack enters what it thinks is a lake and its packmates have to watch it slowly sink and die
shell willow
@torpid wedge dinos didn't have tongues like dogs, they were most likely rooted to the bottom of their mouth and it would be nearly impossible to lick anything.. if they tried to just move their head closer they would bite the thing they're trying to lick
thorny lynx
Well, we see rex's tongue flippity-flappin' away when it broadcasts xD
What if dinos sat in water to bathe themselves and clean off all that nasty bacteria and stuff? Even better, salt water, since all the salt in the water draws out toxins and bacteria in the flesh via osmosis.
night mountain
still temple
jovial blade
Why kaprosuchas
still temple
cus kapro is cool. Not the long legged one tho
sad that he's a bit of a midget compared to most things in TI
still temple
ah, classic dindo cock teasing 
loud vine
Wait so did dondi see my suggestion or something else, I'm not sure if anyone else posted about the kapro, lol
true burrow
grave bough
I like the idea of environmental hazards like tar pits and more lava dangers. Maybe rushing rapids can be a danger for smaller/slower dinos as well.
crystal minnow
@glossy tangle i think 4 eggs would be just fine with dryo inside a burrow because its not really a strong creature who needs balance.
glossy tangle
yeah true
carmine goblet
hot inlet
@carmine goblet couse its healing rate is shit and his stam too XD
Acro can fight mid tiers but will lose against any other
on the server i played on a singel rex killet 5 acros without a problem
grand brook
if acro is to be added to survival it will need a complete rework
unborn quail
It's being added as Ai.
thorny lynx
Acros are weak as shit in the isle, that's why
They should be around 38 feet, 5.5 tons and do 500 some-odd damage, 30 bleed
jovial blade
Sad acros are going to be ai
thorny lynx
But no, somehow, they are over 50 feet lon and do 250 damage and 20 bleed
jovial blade
Its fun playing them
thorny lynx
I'm so sad for my choo choo bois
thorny lynx
CHOO CHOO
blazing charm
@amber birch As in, seamlessly growing into the next lifestage?
Because if so, that's kind of impossible at this stage.
from #519931024956850187
dire bone
Will they make every stage of a creature play differently than the others like it's the case for the rex ?
blazing charm
Probably, hopefully.
amber birch
Instead of us pushing the button, you can enable a button that does it for you. Just add a if line in the code?
If this box is checked, etc
indigo sun
I don't think that'd just be a line of code
blazing charm
Also you'd have to consider the balancing consequences.
Would it just grow someone up to the next stage in the middle of a fight. Granted that can already happen but at the very least you have to stop to press the button.
amber birch
Balance? How? Instead of us looking at esc for us to push it, it’s done automatically. That is not hard
Minor issue imo
Esc push takes half a sec and you can plan and use as bait
dire bone
But you wan also choose not to "grow" if you're getting low on food or water
amber birch
Yeah true
It’s a minor issue to esc push, but some forget to push or check. And are hold up.
And no notification is made
unborn quail
@blazing charm easy solution, dont have a massive stat jump when you grow
Have stats mirror the stats of the full grown animal of the last stage
Boom, you get no advantage if you grow mid fight
blazing charm
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
I suppose at that point, the only issue is the sudden change in models.
unborn quail
Mhm
But that's never going to change, most likely atleast
And since growth is being reworked, hopefully the button will indeed go away, or they'll atleast get rid of the stupid stat jump
amber birch
They recoding the hole game or just parts of it?
indigo sun
The whole game
The entire foundation is being fixed up so development goes smoother and with hopefully less setbacks. Things like combat are changing too, though we're unsure if that will come with or after the recode.
umbral prairie
I think at least part of the new combat will come with the recode since afaik dondi said they already finalized a new system for health, stam, bleed and bb, but things like locational damage, grabbing live prey, dino collision etc will most likely come after the recode
unborn quail
Iirc the new weight system might come too
But gonna wait and see what the recode patch actually says
umbral prairie
I hate my impatience so much xD I really can't wait for the changes, I feel like a kid waiting for christmas in september
plucky verge
Same bruh, i was really impressed with this game almost all apsects except the combat and the shitboxes. But once those are fixed .... man its gonna be good.
indigo sun
@barren zephyr Dilo didn't actually have a frill. That was just for Jurassic Park to make it scary.
barren zephyr
Oh alright
next nexus
@smoky cairn what would make camptosaurus actually unique though? Every animal in the game can look out
indigo sun
It doesn't really look like much. Gallis and dryos could be lookouts incredibly easily, so I don't see the need for a dinosaur who's only case for being added is "it can be a lookout for herds"
smoky cairn
it would be the biggest watchman
next nexus
honestly can't remember the last "add this dinosaur because [no solid unique reason given]" suggestion was actually good
indigo sun
But is its only unique thing being able to look out for danger while being large? That doesn't really make it seem very unique or give it much of a reason to be added.
next nexus
what makes it different to parasaur? or like nines said galli or dryo
or literally any herbivore on the roster
indigo sun
It's no different from any other mid tier herbivore. It would be a waste of money just to add something like that
smoky cairn
The Para is not really a watchman, the dryo and the galli are small is too fragile
indigo sun
Anything can watch for danger
A trike could
It just requires looking around
Paras can easily watch their surroundings, as can gallis and dryos, with the small tiers having the advantage of being faster than most threats
Something having nothing better to do than be a watchman makes it very much useless. Can it fight off certain dinosaurs to help defend the herd or is it just something to warn for danger and then get killed by said danger?
next nexus
think about it like this; Bryan has been working on redoing all of stegosaurs animations for the new model and is still not full completed the full set. This is because it takes a lot of time to do a full animation set for new animals.
Animal models would need to be made too, which Jake would have to do, this would take a fair bit of time which he could be doing other things. New sounds need to be made, this also takes time and money.
And at the end of the day, camptosaur brings nothing to the table, absolutely nothing. Think of all the other animals which models are done, hell some of them like cory have their sounds done too. But lets add camptosaurus because it can look out for danger just like everything else in the game.
I get it, dinosaurs are cool and more dinosaurs would be neat right? I totally get that.
But as the game currently stands a lot of the current roster is struggling to be unique from other playables, more dinosaurs which are not unique enough to justify their inclusion are just a waste of time and money. And its a tough sell to try and justify more at this point in time
jovial skiff
tbh campto would just be a maia clone
smoky cairn
I agree with you, but I would have thought that the Camptosaurus would bring a sire to the dinosaur "watchman", simple played without taking the Galli or the dryo which are quite special to play, this is only a proposal I made 😃
keen trail
@modern zinc yeah I said that earlier, glad someone agrees with me. Pretty sure a good bit of people have suggested this
indigo sun
People have suggested or talked about it at least 67 times
smoky cairn
But unfortunately I do not watch conversations beyond several months, I would have for the day otherwise.
It is even principle of the chanel of suggested even if it there already was said before without knowing it
indigo sun
I was talking about favoriting servers not camptosaur
thorny lynx
tawbosawus
pulsar lake
I think in the game @burnt fern we need limitation for all pack.
For fair, balance and realism. The type of limitation I've done is balanced with the power of all dinosaurs and their capacity of defense/attack.
It's not fair, realist and balanced to see 20 dilos or 12 allosaurus and no more 5 Rex together.
Herbivore too need a limitation pack and some type of pack like hadrosaurs and ceratopsids. 7 Dibble can fuck up everything who want to fight with them and 6 allosaurus together can rule the map if apex limit is like 2 or 3.
I think it's dumb than everyone can have a pack limit like actual or herbis can groupe up to be unhuntable
After I've heard than natural pack limit will be done with affinities.
indigo sun
@bright nacelle pue isn't even staying in the game. It's getting replaced by brachi and brachi will become ai. I don't see why they'd make changes to something that won't be staying
bright nacelle
Also they're taking it out altogether?
Aww I really wanted a playable super sauropod
indigo sun
The only playable sauropod we're likely to get is cama
bright nacelle
Camarasaurus isn't that big tho, smaller than a shantungosaurus
night mountain
brachi will be playable in the same way pue is
bright nacelle
Do they have any intentions in removing the shantungosaurus?
night mountain
probably less broken though
bright nacelle
Awesome!
night mountain
camas getting an upsize iirc
bright nacelle
!!
indigo sun
I think people are talking about the fact that it should be larger, but I haven't heard anything about them actually making it bigger
indigo sun
I don't remember hearing that but alright
spiral pond
I mean if you don’t make it bigger you will get infinite amounts of “cama should be 50/50 with Rex”
indigo sun
It could just become ai instead of playable
spiral pond
Ai would work for shant kinda well
indigo sun
There's never been anything about shant being deleted mate
pulsar lake
It's an evidence
indigo sun
What
pulsar lake
See this dinosaur
How can you make it balanced? And not super strong or a big apex meal?
spiral pond
Ai
unborn quail
Make it Ai
pulsar lake
Yes
indigo sun
Just because shant is unbalanceable as a playable doesn't mean it can't be like, ai or something. I don't know where you got the idea it was getting completely deleted
pulsar lake
I'm for this shit become ai
unborn quail
'Shant will be deleted'
pulsar lake
And @unborn quail I love your pseudo.
I want to Alberto in survival
unborn quail
Alberto wouldn't be a psuedo apex, but yes, would be nice for survival
pulsar lake
It can be the strongest of mid tier.
Able to take down allosaurus and suchomimus but it have a bad bleed resistance, not a good stam and slower than allo.
unborn quail
You do realize sucho is much bigger than it
And ingame sizes are generally correct in proportion to one another
Alberto isnt much bigger than an Allosaurus
pulsar lake
Not tanky like Sucho, more squishy than it but stronger.
unborn quail
Alberto is better off as a standard mid tier rival with allo
pulsar lake
I think it can be like allo for weight mass better health
unborn quail
Sucho handles being the big boy
@night mountain Its size is messed up, that's the only reason why
pulsar lake
It should be 50/50 with Sucho like spino vs Rex in future
All size in The Isle are fucked
night mountain
imo the one who needs resizing the most is cama
pulsar lake
See how carno is small
unborn quail
It should be a 50/50 with allo, keep it more like Rex and Giga
pulsar lake
And sucho
night mountain
its like trike sized rn
unborn quail
Keep sucho as the big lad who generally wins in a 1v1, but is vulnerable to two+ Allosaurus or Albertosaurus
pulsar lake
I think Alberto should be bad superior than allo and more 50/50 with Sucho.
With allo it can be 60/40 but if allo play with bleed and Alberto is slower than him but have a good ambush it can be balanced
Right now Alberto can do 1v3 allo
unborn quail
Alberto being slow takes away what's unique about the animal
pulsar lake
And 1v2 sucho
unborn quail
Its built for speed
pulsar lake
But if he is speeder than allo make his ambush slower than allo ambush or shorter.
And bad bleed resistance
unborn quail
Myself and Jaffad already made a document on this that keeps the animal in respective bounds to what it was built to do
While keeping it balanced
pulsar lake
Slouping told me about that and I think it's a good thing
unborn quail
Glass cannon crusher
pulsar lake
With the 1 bite not many damage and bleed but if you bite many times at the same point, more chances of bone break, bigger damage and bigger bleed.
This Alberto can be awesome with this abilities
unborn quail
This Alberto is also set up as a 50/50 with Allo.
As we wanted to keep them as two rivals occupying the same/similar niche that can go either way in a fight
pulsar lake
When I see an Alberto and an Allo I think Alberto should get an advantage, not seriously superior but one
jovial arch
I don’t like TI Alberto it’s kinda ugly and fat
pulsar lake
But a not a really good stam
night mountain
What old dinos? isnt everything still here?
night mountain
the only removed things i know of are quetz ans humans
pulsar lake
And new animations
night mountain
were there more?
pulsar lake
sub Rex animations
night mountain
OH old types
indigo sun
i think they mean old versions of dinosaurs, which sounds a bit useless. They got changes for a reason
night mountain
yeah i'd guess they wont do it for the same reason
pulsar lake
I think with skin system we can have feathered dinosaurs, other species skin like carchara for giga, corytho for para, styraco for Dibble or tarbosaurus for Rex.
unborn quail
Tarbosaurus wouldnt fit for rex at all
indigo sun
I see no reason to have tarbo be an alternate skin
pulsar lake
For fun
unborn quail
Its smaller, completely different skull structure
jovial arch
I can see different hadrosaurs for para tho
night mountain
i really want cosmetic skins for dinosaurs that are basically the same thing
pulsar lake
I don't really understand why people won't have limitation for all pack?
Seriously did you want to be cancer like this in official? Please 20 fucking dilo or 5 Rex and unlimited herbis...
night mountain
especially pterosaurs
pulsar lake
Yes but corytho was the first I have in the head
jovial arch
I’d rather wait for the devs to fix ai
As opposed to slap on the bandaid of pack limits
night mountain
ptera alt please
same for deino and sarosuchus, maybe like trike and toro, etc etc
would be a fun way to add in species with very little dev time
pulsar lake
With Dev kit it should be possible
night mountain
Yeah that'd be rad!
my personal dream is a deino alt thats koolasuchus
doesn't entirely make sense but its -cool-
paper oriole
Admins being able to access hypos would ruin their value
Its supposed to be rare, not "oh look another hypo rex"
paper oriole
Theyre removing pue not quetz
sick crescent
@uneven epoch 👀
What other brawl dinosaur besides Herbivores would you want to suggest?
fading shadow
@viral creek that opportunist ability for certo seems really op and abuseable
viral creek
Elaborate?
Kinda need to understand in what way something is op in order to make revisions.
@fading shadow
fading shadow
if it can activate every 3 mins you can just scan an area for juveniles and obliterate all of them bc they cant run and now they cant hide @viral creek
may just do hurt and bleeding dinos
viral creek
The idea was to eliminate afking juveniles. But yeah, I might think about that
Cause uh. fuck afk growing lol
@fading shadow edited, thx
fading shadow
plus if they have that other stuff cerato wont need to be like :bruthur do you have juveniles
uneven epoch
@sick crescent maybe acro in survival Carcharodontosaurus Titanboa Yutyrannus and maybe deino
something that trex would have to watch out for
unborn quail
Yutyrannus is smaller than Allo, Titanoboa is mia, Deino definitely, Carcharo most likely isn't coming.
indigo sun
wasnt carcharo used as a giga model or something? or was that something eles
unborn quail
It was used for the Juvenile model
indigo sun
so safe to say theres only one thing youve just listed that might work hearth guard
uneven epoch
welp i figured id try
indigo sun
Things can take down rex. There doesnt necessarily need to be another brawler apex to take it down. Smart mid and low tiers have downed rexes
uneven epoch
yeah
i just figured something that could really rival a rex would add more balance to the game
so that rexes couldnt just destroy herbivores and almost any carni....there would be something to actually challenge it to a brawling fight and have a 50-50 chance at winning
cause giga has almost no chance of winning and spino does have a chance but its still less then 50-50
viral creek
Herbivores exist too
And since we're talking sandbox dinosaurs now...
Shant shitfucks rex.
Camara can beat a rex
A good trike can beat a rex.
Therizinosaurus can evaporate a rex, if said rex dosen't know how to alt turn
uneven epoch
you would have to be a stupid trike to kill a rex and a really lucky theri to too shant and cama do have a advantage
uneven epoch
it depends on the skill of the rex
viral creek
Giga can also kill a rex if he gets the jump on him. 2-3 bites (I think), and you can literally outdamage him
uneven epoch
cause if a rex gets bb then
but with the stuff thats happening to gigs i dont think it will be able to do that anymore
*giga
viral creek
It still can
Rex is faster, sure.
But rex also has the worst stamina on the face of the earth
uneven epoch
this is true
adding something that can take a rex with the same chance of winning as the rex would add some more balance to the game in my opinion
indigo sun
Eh, i dont think so. Do we really need another high damage apex? Cause its not like they'll just hunt rexes. they'll also go after mid tiers. I think rex is balanced alright as it is
nocturne ocean
o shit we got a giga discussion going on?
indigo sun
More of a rex discussion here
indigo sun
There's the belief that another brawler apex should exist to counter rexes
Because gigas arent and definitely wont be able to if their damage gets nerfed
Which it should
night mountain
I think deinos gonna be the big apex killer
indigo sun
Giga has no right doing that damage
nocturne ocean
dilo packs, allo packs can easily take out a rex
night mountain
i know im for sure gonna play it with that in mind
nocturne ocean
limited stam makes the rex very vurnerable too
3 good dilos can take out a rex
in minutes
now giga
what can kill a giga?
night mountain
ONE dilo can take out a rex if you're really good at assriding lmao
indigo sun
Nah, ive seen gigas attack first and still lose
indigo sun
They probably werent good gigas but it happened
nocturne ocean
lets assume equal skil though
otherwise its pointless to discuss it
a giga can easily avoid the fight with the rex too
night mountain
i still vote for turning deino into the apex population control, dont see any reason not to
indigo sun
Equal skill, rex has high chance of bonebreak and higher bite force, keeping giga in place to kill it
nocturne ocean
i need a dino that can actually deal with a giga
indigo sun
Legendary deino probably could
But going off of the begging for rex nerfs not many players are smart enough to keep watch and walk away as a giga should they see a rex
indigo sun
Its because giga players dont understand giga and think rex is op because its the only thing that kills it
versed blaze
Uh
nocturne ocean
and it has the option to avoid the fight with the rex
versed blaze
Pffff
nocturne ocean
cause its a fight they can avoid
easily
the giga choses to take that fight
how many dilo are we talking about
and how many dilos do you expect would die
if the giga sits in place and alt turns
like ye a giga can get killed by dilos and allos
but it take down so many of the allos and dilos before it dies
that its not worth taking that fight for allos/dilos
my point in the end is there is nothing that can kill a giga except a rex without taking heavy losses
to the point where its not worth fighting the giga
considering equal skill
i would love to see the giga alt turn nerfed
its insanely good for an apex that large
they nerfed rex and trike alt turn
why does the giga keep that godlike alt turn
indigo sun
@velvet elk hypos arent even finished plus theyre meant to be yknow, scary. If you get used to seeing them, theyll be about as scary as a normal version of a dinosaur
Even if youre growing into them, it still means far too many hypos
paper oriole
I dont think dryo NV should be better than dilo, rather around the same tbh
Maybe a little less than adult dilo NV, i mean thats their niche it'd be kinda mean to take it away
barren zephyr
i meant frog ai...but sure...
paper oriole
They are fast, good stamina, quickest growers so very expendable and efficient scouts
Being burrow dwellers makes good nv make sense however they could hunt predators with their herd if they had dilo tier
barren zephyr
it's a burrowing animal.
wait.
actually
it makes sense for it to have good nv.
since it is a burrowing animal
😮
suggest it.
lol
paper oriole
It was in a suggestion
paper oriole
However the suggestion opted for it to be better than dilo NV. This could, and would be abused to grief carnivores sadly
I think dryo most def deserves much better than average nv though
barren zephyr
yes.
torpid wedge
whats the point in nesting in a burrow if growth is stopped
mental sleet
they want the safety of sitting on a nest inside a burrow
since it's when you are at your most vulnerable.
makes dryo too easy tbh.
lunar sandal
an adult that nest in would be big enough for babies to grow into adult hood
as an adult made that burrow for adult
night mountain
I don't think it makes dryo easier really. I mean it does but its already so easy it barely matters if you can nest safely.
torpid wedge
it just takes away all the fun tbh
you're supposed to be anxious for a predator to come at all times, no fun if you know you're safe
marble ether
Why would dryo need better nv because he burrows, It's not like a mole needs to see where he digs
Giving them better nv will only increase their scouting which doesnt benefit the game
night mountain
"you're supposed to be anxious for a predator to come at all times, no fun if you know you're safe" Thats not how playing dryo is at all. It's one of the safest dinosaurs to be and you can even like chill with and parkour over apexs because most things won't even bother to chase you since you're an ordeal to catch and barely worth the food
lunar sandal
i mean yea but realistic creators that burrow will nest in the burrow for the youngs safety.
plus their safe from an apexs because they too small for decent meal
something smaller like raptor or ultra to baby rexs/ gigs or juvi will eat dryos cause that realistic they hunting range
and your only safe if you have herd to keep you safe
by yourself you will get eatten
barren zephyr
sub giga and juv giga isn't hard compared to the likes of trike juv and sucho juv + allo juv
i sense apex bias
@nocturne ocean have more than 1 trike
also #401464048610312195 @nocturne ocean
nocturne ocean
shit mb
marble ether
@barren zephyr juv allo is prob the easiest juv to play as lulw
nocturne ocean
since i made the suggestion now, im open to any criticism on my giga post
spiral pond
alt turn nerf for giga is to be expected
but it needs some other nerf
it just inhales everything that isnt a rex
lilac swallow
dmg nerf to make It actually a bleeder and not a Rex with bleed
barren zephyr
giga needs the dmg to intedimate rex since bleed doesn't kill even while resting like before
spiral pond
it doesnt need it
cause of the raw dmg its basicly a rex with bleed and without bb with amating trot
barren zephyr
it needs it
without the raw it becomes an absolute pussy to rex
a dmg nerf to giga would work if rex got toned down too
lilac swallow
Giga doesnt need to fight rex, It is It's only bad match up and can run away
near turret
and a pack of gigas can slaughter solo rex
lilac swallow
Rex only catch giga if giga let it
barren zephyr
rex is way faster
nocturne ocean
considering the fight hasnt already started
lilac swallow
Rex is only faster, but giga runs more than twice the time
nocturne ocean
a dmg nerf could be ok but i dont think it needs it
barren zephyr
33kmswhile giga is 30kms. big diffrence
nocturne ocean
because it would just start losing to apexes even harder
barren zephyr
but has stam of 30secs
nocturne ocean
giga has 50sec of stam
but the giga trot is god tier
also 3 kms difference is not that big of a deal actually
barren zephyr
it is actually
lilac swallow
Look, giga slaughter every dino that isnt a rex, Rex actually struggles to cath anything but It can kill giga
lilac swallow
And you know dondi said giga isnt supposed to win fights vs rex?
barren zephyr
yes but giga isn't also supposed to be a complete pushover to rex
lilac swallow
And if you want to kill rexes as giga you should rely on bleed not with raw
nocturne ocean
but ye a giga getting the surprise on a rex actually puts a rex in big trouble
so rex isnt even a hard counter to giga
even though its the only thing that can deal with a giga
barren zephyr
u can't really rely to bleed a brawler that can immobilize you
lilac swallow
Thats why you dont fight It in first place
nocturne ocean
1 bite is enough to seal the deal against all mid tier and below
youll bleed out real fast
barren zephyr
yeah exactly it exactly like that. why does it need a dmg nerf?
nocturne ocean
maybe to give mid tier and below more of a chance to get away ?
it would be nice tbh because atm
lilac swallow
Because It currently can kill rexes? And slaughter even trikes? Maybe
nocturne ocean
you really cant go far even if you survive the initial bite
barren zephyr
well maybe considering giving that to rex too
lilac swallow
But im going away im burned with this convo
barren zephyr
it can kill dumb rexes
nocturne ocean
dont consider skill though arcialga
it makes the discussion pointless
you have to look at raw numbers considering equal skill on both sides
barren zephyr
yeah but giga doesnt have a 50/50 chance with rex
its a pushover
why make it more so
nocturne ocean
ye id say its a 70/80% win for rex
buttttt
the giga can avoid a rex fight
a rex cant avoid a giga fight
lilac swallow
Because It slaughter every one else and needs a counter to control its population
nocturne ocean
being able to avoid a fight is a huge strenght in survival
barren zephyr
ok
nocturne ocean
it allows you to pick your battles
barren zephyr
giga isnt like a carno
nocturne ocean
both rex and trike have the big weakness of not being allowed to pick every fight
especially trike
lilac swallow
And still both are more vulnerable against smaller dinos
barren zephyr
trike has insane hp and tankiness tho
nocturne ocean
unless you play the numbers game
and im talking 8+ numbers
anything less wont work
lilac swallow
Trike hp wont save from a patient dilo pack
barren zephyr
it will lmao
barren zephyr
dilos deal like 5bleed to a trike
nocturne ocean
also its alt turn isnt great
lilac swallow
Thats why i say a patient pack
barren zephyr
it has a decent run turn
nocturne ocean
it does but so does giga
barren zephyr
and?
nocturne ocean
trike has clear weaknesses
marble ether
can u guys remove your discussion comments in #general-feedback @barren zephyr and @nocturne ocean
nocturne ocean
trikes cant run away from anything
barren zephyr
mine is a suggestion
marble ether
giga's ambush is very fucking quite compared to rex's. why? also it regens stam with it and lasts longer.
giga's alt turn is not just "fast"
its the third fastest.
also he just needs to hit rex 2 times and trike 3 to put them at max bleed/100 bleed
which part is suggestion?
marble ether
I just see a statement
nocturne ocean
context my son
nocturne ocean
i mean thats what he ment because quite doesnt make sense
marble ether
and changes the context entirely
also it's still not a suggestion, it's just a question
that belongs in isle discussion
nocturne ocean
im not contesting you, i can kinda figure out what his suggestion is all im saying
marble ether
anyway I'm not a mod, but I'm just saying
grand brook
is a sad thing that the trike has less bleed regen than a dibble tbh
lilac swallow
@glossy tangle right know dilo is pretty good at day it doesnt even need the night vision advantage
lilac swallow
And darker nights only are "fine i Will logout for 20 minutes until Next in game day"
grand brook
the only moment an adult giga can feel vulnerable against dilos is at night in a non alt turn server
nocturne ocean
haha that says more about giga though
but ye unless they bring back old night times
grand brook
and even then it's turn and insane hitbox will probably finish some off
nocturne ocean
people could still gamma
lilac swallow
Still dark night where you dont even know where you are are either afk or get lost
nocturne ocean
i think current night darkness is fine but id love it if they made the sky the same for everyone not different for every player at different times
impossible to tell if someone is gamma abusing or just has a brighter night sky than you
and even outside of that its just a randomness you dont wanna deal with
lilac swallow
@paper oriole as i allways say, if It cant pick fights It should be stronger, so either let It avoid fights or buff It to the point a Rex has to ambush to win
paper oriole
I mean yeah that too
paper oriole
Look at those damn horns and tell me its current attack power is ok, cus it aint
nocturne ocean
some form of stam regen on trike would be great but it would be a big nerf to rexes
lilac swallow
Fine trike vs Rex should be 50/50
nocturne ocean
rexes would become unable to get away from trikes
paper oriole
Fuk rexes they already got bb to slow their victims down
lilac swallow
Thats true
nocturne ocean
hmmm true
actually ye with their current bone break its fine
but bone break is such a bad mechanic atm because its all rng based
lilac swallow
With locatinal dmg trike is going to be the face tank king
paper oriole
Trikes are just burgers to the other apexes rn
paper oriole
I mean if the giga is sn impatient idiot yea
marble ether
Herbs have always been herd creatures, if u buff the trike, they'll become impossible to defeat in group
nocturne ocean
the giga still has a hard time winning that fight
lilac swallow
Giga face tank until It bites 3 times and go away and then let the trike bleed
paper oriole
Basically
nocturne ocean
giga will get bled as much as the trike though
nocturne ocean
ye but less hp too
grand brook
@marble ether, except in official server you have situations where 5 rexes vs 5 trikes can fight, doesn't really make a difference to be a herd animal or not
paper oriole
Rarely gonna see 1v1s either
nocturne ocean
that too
marble ether
I'm pretty sure apex group limits will be changed soon
grand brook
^
paper oriole
I mean i never do
nocturne ocean
the giga would just run as soon as it starts losing
paper oriole
Yea and trike doesnt get that luxury
grand brook
honestly speedwise makes sense for a trike to be slow, but stam regen could be a thing to avoid a rex
marble ether
the problem lies with pack limits
paper oriole
Giga is fine until rework imo
nocturne ocean
why pack limits?
grand brook
why not?
nocturne ocean
giga is broken right now
lilac swallow
I still think that trike needs to be the slowest one but reducing the gap between trike and the second slower would be nice
marble ether
just make apex packs max 2 and u won't have a problem anymore
barren zephyr
the problem lies with how easy it is to grow apexes
grand brook
that too
nocturne ocean
its too easy to keep them fed too
grand brook
but that's mostly an ai/afk growing problem
nocturne ocean
you dont even have to try anymore
lilac swallow
In fact funnily enought trike is the harder to feed of the 3 apexes
paper oriole
Trike needs help to be up to par with the other two, with rex being the only BBer giga needs its broken shit to stand up to it too until rework
grand brook
change that and juvie and sub apexes would drop like flies to other predators
or starvation
nocturne ocean
BB only really helps the rex if its a multiple rex vs multiple trike fight though
in a 1v1 bb doesnt do shit for a rex
grand brook
i mean it does, it negates it's alt turn and stomp
nocturne ocean
ye but its turning gets better when bone broken
marble ether
won't locational damage fix bb too?
grand brook
just buttride it and the trike is dead and rexes handle bleed pretty well
nocturne ocean
the stomp is not optimal in a facetank either
you cant buttride a trike as a rex though
paper oriole
Dont even need to lol
grand brook
yeah it can run right through it
just like it does to poor ankies
i honestly feel bad for those
paper oriole
Apparently trike horns are made of styrofoam
nocturne ocean
i will say that the trike is the weakest out of the apexes
grand brook
it is
paper oriole
Its in a damn sorry state
nocturne ocean
but ye it being allowed to herd with other herbies is a big strenght if utilized
lilac swallow
I hope with recode trike becomes the absulute best creature at face tank
paper oriole
It deserves to be
nocturne ocean
trike actually had a period where it would run over rexes
lilac swallow
No animal should be group dependant
grand brook
^
nocturne ocean
why not though?
nocturne ocean
trikes were herd dinos
grand brook
specially to animals of it's tier
paper oriole
I mean you can just walk awsy from a trike if you dont wanna deal with that shit theyre slow af anyway, make them a bastion
marble ether
it is a group animal, it gets its strength from groups
lilac swallow
If It is group dependant people just stop playing It making grouping harder
marble ether
making a group animal strong in solo play makes it op in ggroup
how is that hard to understand
grand brook
aha, just like the rex
lilac swallow
Doesnt every dino is able to group?
jolly belfry
Thats bullshit
marble ether
and problem is fixed
nocturne ocean
true
marble ether
thank you
lilac swallow
And again if trike is fully group dependant who the hell is gonna play it?
nocturne ocean
atm nothing can even contest a 5 rex or 5 giga pack
20 allo wont do shit against 5 carni apexes
paper oriole
If you need more in your group to have a chance on the same growth timer whats the point
nocturne ocean
its unstoppable
marble ether
rex should be 1 or 2 max pack size
lilac swallow
Use dilo as example they are group animals but still can survive perfectly solo
marble ether
imo it even should be a solo animal