Unless the adult utah has suddenly become the size of a dryo then somethings not quite right on that server :p
#general-feedback-discussion
cyan flame
teal grotto
lol
misty island
right
umbral prairie
terror birds are not dinosaurs though
@inner osprey I wouldn't trust that, they're definitely not working on tarbosaurus afaik
also not sure about pelagornis
inner osprey
That’s why I posted it
unborn quail
Wiki is bull shit, it should never be used to look into what's be developed
umbral prairie
they're also not really planning on adding tarbosaurus though
inner osprey
Cause they work on hypos and get them done quick wat about the player community we arnt able to play hypos not even on sandbox and I’d rather have them work on more new survival Dino’s
umbral prairie
Compsognathus wtf how would that be played
inner osprey
Lmao
umbral prairie
they didn't get hypers in quick
inner osprey
They should add tarbo
indigo sun
They havent shown off work for hypos for a while what do you mean? Theyve been working on addin in more survival dinos
Also, theyve said multiple times they wont add it.
umbral prairie
hypers were slowly worked on for years and never really were a priority afaik
unborn quail
Hypers arent even done to begin with
umbral prairie
doesn't even have scent
indigo sun
They show off what theyve got. None of them are finished
umbral prairie
all of them do not have finalized stats
unborn quail
Overrated more like
viral creek
Did that page actually take the whole tarbosaurus thing seriously
inner osprey
Yup
indigo sun
I think it did. Which is dumb
viral creek
This is why I never trust wikis lol
inner osprey
viral creek
The whole tarbosaurus thing was a joke.
umbral prairie
also dondi said pachyrhino will be be a reskin when the game was finished, although I think it would be cool for AI
inner osprey
Compy replaces velo as ai reeeeeeeeee
indigo sun
Its not even a real model he just dragged the top lip down on the rex
unborn quail
^
inner osprey
Well I hope they add rugops
umbral prairie
pachyrhino and cory would make nice Ai
inner osprey
Or some more mid tier Dino’s
unborn quail
Definitely won't be a playable
viral creek
I don't like the idea of reskins. When they could be using that model to make more diverse ai to interact with
Instead they use it for an alt skin
umbral prairie
also not a fan of reskins
indigo sun
It'd be neat to get more diverse ai. It just being a reskin sounds like a waste
inner osprey
We not be playable?
inner osprey
Do you think they should add Carcharodontosaurus
umbral prairie
not really, afaikthere is some new rearch about it making it different from rex, but for the game it wouldn't be very unique.
carchar is not really needed
we have giga and we know acro will get a remodel and probably be AI
unborn quail
Carcharo can be an alternative skin for giga, as originally planned
Carcharodontosaurus all large Basically did the same thing, hence why Acro is being left as Ai
topaz epoch
@inner osprey Was that screenshot from the Wikia? That information isn't accurate
unborn quail
And with acro taking that slot, their's no reason for Carcharo to fill an Ai slot either
inner osprey
Fandom
umbral prairie
@oblique summit the dev kit is pretty broken right now, I think they will be able to fix it with the recode though
viral creek
@oblique summit
There used to be a dev kit, but it got destroyed after a former dev left the team. You will be getting a new one in the future.
Heck. You beat me
umbral prairie
emus are faster than pachys
indigo sun
Y'all just gotta learn patience. "Give us this, give us that"
Theyre trying to make the game better. give em a bit of time unless you want a broken, shitty game
umbral prairie
I don't think people should be logged on as a dino to be able to switch to another one
limpid dove
Timer doesnt have to be 60 seconds, as it was an example. It could be a wait of 2-5 minutes before you're able to swap
This way it's not easily abused
umbral prairie
I think 5 minute is way too short for switching, since you can just lure a herd/pack of smaller dinos to the place you logged with your apex, wait 60 seconds or 5 minutes and kill them all
limpid dove
And if you were to fully log off the server and then log back in, you would not be given the option to pick which dinosaur you want to play as - you'll log in as whatever you last safe logged as.
Ofc it's just an idea in development, but if it's considered, I'm sure there will be plenty of ways to combat it.
Perhaps only one apex per swap? This way if you lose your apex to a trike, you can't have a giga, rex, or trike on your secondary, therefore forcing you to pick something like an Allosaurus or Maia.
umbral prairie
I do think multiple slots would be cool, but I think it would be much easier and much less abusable if you could choose what slot you want to play with, but there is like a 20-40 minute cooldown between dying/logging and switching slots
yeah limited apex slots would be nice
limpid dove
A cooldown would be a great idea
Maybe you have to wait an hour before each swap, which is extremely fair to me
Unless ofc both swaps die
paper crag
Could also pick selected spawn points and the area you died in is no longer accessible til a timer runs out to allow most if not all of the corpse to be decomposed?
Even if not pickable but the random spawn cant pick the closest one
limpid dove
no selected spawnpoints. i smell abuse
misty island
hes talking about blocking the same spawn
so you cant spawn in the same general area
after you died
limpid dove
even then, a juvie can't take out a full grown rex, trike, or full grown anything. it'd be pointless to pick a selectable spawnpoint unless you were trying to get to your friends
but yeah
i see what u mean
umbral prairie
I think V3 is big enough for having 2 or 3 sectors to choose from, and you get a random spawnpoint in these sectors
misty island
^
umbral prairie
so you cannot feed people
misty island
i personally support that
umbral prairie
but also don't have to constantly kill yourself to spawn closer to your friends
misty island
but again they say the current spawn is tempoary
limpid dove
it could probably block off a fairly large chunk of the map then, so that you'd have to walk to get to your friends and risk dying. and if you re-die on the way, that area will not be accessible (where you originally died the first time) and won't be able to be picked from until an hour
misty island
cant wait to see how it goes
limpid dove
the beach spawns are ridiculous, so i hope there is much more variety in spawn points.
the past few days i've only gotten murky spawns. the same exact spot 😂
misty island
i spawned at ocean gate once
then at the end of lazy river
starved before i could get into lazy
i was like
wtf
fleet surge
Hi everyone Can I run a idea past you all?
Hypo Tacco.. to create the rotting Giga
Dont say no yet hear me out
So it would be larger than the normal taco have faster speed be less fat and have better stam, the Jaw spikes would be longer and the tail a tiny bit longer with more quils.
It would have a bite of say 10 (if u have ever been bitten by a parrot you will know how much it hurts)
The main part would be its tail end with an ability to wave and rattle its quills kinda a hissing sound then if a animal gets too close a tail whip movement to hit them with the quills.
Once another animal is hit by the quills a green symbol would appear to indicate infection (this would work like bleed), the affected animal would need to find a certain plant to eat to stop the infecting killing them(Ive had sepsis and its terrifying believe me!) also wolves and other modern preds eat herbs and berries to help illness, These plants would show within a certain radius of the animal. This might even ty in with Master Dondis ideas about vegetation biting back and such. Once the safe plant is eaten the animal will start to recover lesson learnt. Now in the giga case I would propose a 1 in 500 chance of the corruption setting in, or becoming something that could be passed on to the babies. This might work as the rotting giga could be caused by necro.. um necrothing virus that rots the tissue, whilst the host lives. So the animal that was grown in the labs tissue and DNA structurer would be effected by certain proteins in the taccos quills and the white blood cells would not be able to cope.
Also I feel the tacco needs some love its sooo cute and could be a hidden gem. I men why did it have quills like a porcupine if not to poke others with them?
misty island
no
no hypo tarco
yes hypo dryo
and please no mammals
but having special effects on wounds or attack then require specific actions to cure it sounds neat
tho this is too much rpg
instead of the current isle theme
feel like this could be a dangerous path to go down
but with the new affinity system and locational damage
i suspect something like what you suggested would happen
shell willow
@fleet surge Rotting giga? You mean the anthomnia fan thing? That's not official..
misty island
the whole 'the more damage you take the slower you walk' kind of situation
fleet surge
ohh bother thats a pity
misty island
and i think dondi implied something about
mutated plants that can do horrible things to you
shell willow
o w o
misty island
so i assume the enviroment would be more hostile in the future
PVE elements would be greater than now
paper crag
poor herbs hallucinogens that would be hard
leaden trellis
Why do people keep asking for dumb things like hypo taco, or hypo dryos? They would have to spend money to get a model created, animations, and sounds for a joke creature. The game has lore, and a dryo sure isn't part of it. Hypos are a big part of the game's lore, and will continue to be so.
Ask for those things when the game is finished at least.
torpid wedge
i just don’t understand why there isnt the option for multiple characters
limpid dove
Or do them yourself
torpid wedge
i haven’t even heard the devs comment on it
there is a reason family sharing was so popular
like where is the issue ?
leaden trellis
It would be nice, personally being someone who generally only plays on official servers
torpid wedge
same here
torpid wedge
ohh i didn’t know
leaden trellis
With people having accounts with let's say, one player has 5 rexes on the same server. There is a clear problem.
torpid wedge
thank you
versed blaze
YW
limpid dove
Plus if they disabled it, all the other accounts without a copy would have to buy a copy. Itll support the game
umbral prairie
and make people say that it is the last cash grabbing attempt before PoT will 'destroy' the isle xD
but those people will always exist
misty island
lmfao
i dont get the mindset of those ppl
so instead of setting up the barrier to reduce the spams you should let them do it freely
logic
paper crag
Make each server have a hidden server just for cheaters once your tagged you can only play there?
Ai spawns decreased lol
teal grotto
@manic arrow there is a server already that people do that and they call it snackrfice and its a very high populated server.. so.. i dont see your point in ''people wont want to kill them selves to switch dinos''
misty island
the ones banned from a server is not banned form the game but from the server
so
that kinda alerady happened
no point wasting rescources to seperate ppl
while you can just block them clowns out
edgy furnace
is this an actual hypo taco suggestion
misty island
its not only hypo tarco ......
read the rest
he speaks of a mechanic that certain attacks would also affects the victims offspring
edgy furnace
oh nvm
barren zephyr
@gusty kernel They are adding in dino slots, if people would pay attention.
trike is hard to sustain...
i even said carnivores 
umbral prairie
@frank osprey you are aware that multiple slots are planned?
mental sleet
When did dondi confirm dino slots ?
umbral prairie
I am not sure, didn't watch any streams, but since multiple mods said it was confirmed I am pretty certain it is confirmed
indigo sun
Last night
When people were freaking the fuck out over family sharing being turned off
mental sleet
Yeah I though so. He only confirmed Family Sharing as a toggeable
umbral prairie
I think it is very funny and sad at the same time how upset people are over losing some dinos and going all the way of wishing this game to go down
mental sleet
I did not find anything about slots.
misty island
@barren zephyr yes i know you mentioned carnivores but i am saying a group of 5 rexs are just as hard to maintain if nothing is stupid and are alerted enough
shell willow
k but 2 avas every 10 minutes isn't enough to save some starving rexes
eventually one will starve to death and the others will eat the dead body
shell willow
it's true because if you have 5 fucking starving rexes 2 avas every 10 minutes won't save them all
misty island
1 ava will give a rex 12%
barren zephyr
nah more oro gives rex like a 30%
shell willow
I've legit been in a rex pack and had this happen, they actually fought to the death over an ava and we just ate the dead guy's body
barren zephyr
if all this is true why do i keep seeing rex mega packs everwhere huh
misty island
what server do you play on?
barren zephyr
official
misty island
they might have mutiple alts
shell willow
because they go around herd wiping, log out as soon as they're full, and then have a friend of theirs play galli to find another herd to wipe
misty island
and feed their rexs when the server pop is low
and log back in when they need to use it
i mean EU or US
eu had this problem
same for us but not as servere
and honstly i havent seen mega packs for ages on us
mostly mixpacking instead
carno/allo/rex combo
barren zephyr
@frank osprey Multiple dino slots are planned
"What about giving servers the option to let an account (without familyshare) have multiple dinos? But with a decent timer between switching dinos so it couldn’t be abused, but still give you the option to play other dinos without losing the progress you already have"
dondi: Slated for unofficial servers.
frank osprey
@barren zephyr While i think that the backlash and damage control the devs and pals are dealing with will eventually get that put in i am not interested in waiting for a back end re-write just to see activity being put toward the nerf of account share. While there is still dinos to be put into survival, map bugs, holes, floating plants and rocks, Trees that wont let a dino go after u bump into it, rocks or terrain that don't exist that stop u and rocks that exist that let you fall threw them due to them not really being there. The list is unflattering at best, I expect the wait (if it actually happens) to be extensive at best. Would love for any of the team over there to prove me wrong! But how long do you honestly think its going to take? Dondi and pals have their work cut out for them.
torpid wedge
why only unofficial?
barren zephyr
Not really sure Kronic, although I do know family share was never supposed to be reenabled. It was disabled before and got enabled again.
frank osprey
That's the kind of oversight that worry's consumers, and the type of thing that should not be "missed" by the big wigs at team Dondi. In simple and relatable words of Adam Sandler's character in "The water boy" My momma always said ignorance is no excuse! Knee jerk reactions never bode well for a game. There's a decent you tube collection covering the fall out of such things for other MMO's and single player games. Worth a watch honestly as it gives some great insight into the world of the Dev and what they face and how balance either was restored or lost.
misty island
First off dude ur “comments “ doesn’t fit here it belongs to #401481402782056460
Secondly I ve read nothing from ur statement that would contribute to any idea, mechanic or situation that would help the current game
All I ve received from ur messages is that u think u can do a better job than the devs. Neglecting the fact that this indie game has one of the best graphic and textures the community have seen in a very very long time. Hell its even somewhat better than JWE. The rest of the game just takes time to improve, u can dislike it but don’t act like they are slacking, cus this team of devs have some of the best attitude I have seen. And as a gamer I am glad there are people like them exist.
If you are gonna rant out of context so be it but stop talking like you know ur shit. Cus u don’t sound like u do
indigo sun
All I got from this was that you watched youtube videos to be an expert on game development. This isn't some huge corporation like EA pumping out games to make as much money as possible. There's ten people working on this game and not every game's development team or timeline is the same. They've given an explanation for why it was accidentally turned on again. You act like a tiny team like this is supposed to be perfect and stuff. You need to be able to give an Early Access game time to work out any kinks and fix itself. This isn't a finished product. If "consumers" are so worried, they can wait until the game is finished to buy it.
versed blaze
Let's discuss the suggestion itself, not the person making it.
thorny lynx
I still want to talk about a feedback discussion channel
versed blaze
bronze forum
is it possible to get rid of familyshare on servers that has problems with it, not any other?? plz
thorny lynx
But isle discussion's chat runs too quickly. Feedback discussion would be more relevant.
shell willow
@bronze forum That's not possible, because family share affects the game, not individual servers. When family sharing is disabled, alt accounts using family sharing can't even launch the game.
versed blaze
@barren zephyr did they send a group invite?
barren zephyr
yeah
versed blaze
Really......
That's not supposed to happen.
Shouldn't be able to group invite non same species
shell willow
how tf..
versed blaze
Doesn't matter. Not supposed to happen at all
shell willow
you literally shouldn't even be able to group dinos that aren't your species
versed blaze
Official server or not
barren zephyr
Wait then how???
shell willow
it's not a feature of the game
versed blaze
Yup. I'll look into this. Thanks!
barren zephyr
<___< now I'm super confused
versed blaze
Shouldn't be able to group invite dissimilar species.
shell willow
was the rex in your group? could you see a nametag?
shell willow
are you sure the rexes were the ones who invited you to a group?
and yes nametags only appear for people in your group
barren zephyr
not anymore I'm not 😂
shell willow
if the rexes didn't have nametags, you weren't baited, you probably did have a giga pack waiting that got ambushed by rexes while you were travelling there
if you really were invited by the rexes, it's a bug
umbral prairie
it could have still been mixpacking
barren zephyr
That makes sense. 🤔 Thanks for clearing that up.
shell willow
sammel and their conspiracy theories
barren zephyr
😂 lmao
I cant wait to get on today. Thanks again guys
tepid light
@teal grotto what do you mean? you can ban people using their ID already
teal grotto
@tepid light but when they log off you cant
tepid light
yes the /banid command works even if they are not connected
teal grotto
It dont work
versed blaze
Yes it does. We can ban anyone online or not with a steamid.
stable cloud
Oh my goodness, big grass would be a big help for the raptors or dilos taking down a rex/giga in those areas.
jovial blade
indigo sun
People want to be able to keep an apex's progress but play a different dinosaur with their friends apparently. That's the most common reason I've seen, anyway
prisma lily
having an herbi and a carni is appealing on a server to server basis, but not being able to easily swap does admittedly cause some servers to be 90% one or the other as the player base picks whats most viable at the time.
misty island
Having qol option to join up with friends is also something expectable
cobalt summit
yeah, being someone who can't afford to spend more than an hour a day playing the game shouldn't make playing an apex SO prohibitive as it is when you have to put all your eggs in one basket for a server. It would really only take ONE extra slot to lessen the burden of playing so restricted. I get the idea that The Isle is supposed to really make you value your dinosaur and not treat your dinos like they're throwaway playthings, but actually, I think this policy backfires in that sense. I won't play a dino that I'm not willing to ditch anymore because sacrificing that flexibility isn't worth it to me.
Also, there's a difference between a game living up to its ideals of being a survival game, and a game putting restrictions on itself that make it so that something out of your control can be so devastating and wipe you in an instant.
If the Isle was further along development, glitching was less prevalent, hitboxes etc were more accurate, and all-around if you lost your dinosaur it was consistently because you made a mistake, I think this would be less of a big deal. But since you can still lose your dino to things outside of your control in terms of the mechanics of the game itself, having everything riding on just one dino per server is a very punishing protocol that detracts more than necessary.
misty island
Well no comment on the last bit
But after all it is a easily access game
Just give it some more time for it develop
cobalt summit
yeah, I just mean that this would be a less punishing choice to make later in development. I get that the necessity of managing the toxic situations where people are abusing alt accounts makes this a high priority, but there were still some aspects about the way it went through that in some senses caused more problems than they solved
tratser's point is really important too
a large part of herbi/carni balance comes from people not being forced to commit to one or the other
wintry cipher
Sly, Rex King™Today at 12:14 PM
[REDACTED] Multiple dino slots are planned
"What about giving servers the option to let an account (without familyshare) have multiple dinos? But with a decent timer between switching dinos so it couldn’t be abused, but still give you the option to play other dinos without losing the progress you already have"
dondi: Slated for unofficial servers.
^ quoting as a heads up for others who post about the multiple dinos one account thing. bolded for TLDR
y'all can calm down and wait for the recode now.
torpid wedge
people may be thinking of official though
misty island
It’s changing the game so if it affects officials it affects all servers
And when they do add in such functions server wipes
and then more ppl will cry
barren zephyr
@brittle merlin theres no big drop in player numbers at all. Check steam charts
Its pretty minimal
torpid wedge
fragon it could be an option like alt turn currently is
misty island
Yes it could but doesn’t change the fact all server still have that option built in
If it is disabled on some server that would be the private server side s option
brittle merlin
it may not have less long term players, but I have seen a lot of people quit until something new is added, as I said, I have seen multiple smaller servers really struggle as most of the server left not long after the last patch,
a lot of players are doing little more then checking the discord or the servers to see if anything new has happened, or only logging in for server events
and idk why you felt the need to react to my suggestion with 3 different emojis
misty island
@brittle merlin chill most ppl are troll
brittle merlin
not upset... just saying
misty island
I had a suggestion about territory system some time ago
brittle merlin
and responding
misty island
Then they say it’s too unclear so I elaborated
After sending out the new edited one all I got was
TLDR
Lmfao
Dead inside instantly
brittle merlin
oof
misty island
@narrow rover that’s why they disabled it
It was never meant to be enabled
But steam fucked them up when steam updated
narrow rover
i am talking for future one
narrow rover
i got it mate. But im talking about humans + dino on same account
misty island
And the “Dino /Dino hypo/Dino/hypo/human” thing is kinda confirmed
Not sure how it would turn out but devs said things about
There will be delicated servers for them
narrow rover
this is rife for future exploits on large scale. You kill me, i jump on human and track you down
misty island
Ya I know
It’s gonna be bad
Some dudes suggested same thing U did earlier yesterday
Having a timer ranging from 30-60minute inorder for you to switch slots
You can only activate one slot on a server at a time
And u wanna switch u gotta log out fo that server for a specific amount of time
narrow rover
It's perfect to discuss such things. so Players and developers are aware and can take steps to eliminate the exploit.
misty island
Ya
What was the thing again
It cost 10-100 times more to fix a mistake than to avoid it
narrow rover
30 min. is to low - know from experience. 60 should be good.
so rage/adrenaline meter cools down 😄
misty island
Ya
Welp if a person gonna rage they are gonna rage
More like
Give em a chance to heal completely then move on
edgy furnace
@narrow rover eh humans are going to be killed easily so anything that can kill a rex will probably not be able to kill them (and also they probably won’t want to risk a weapon that can kill apexes)
narrow rover
We where talking about future revenge kiling exploit if dino+human will be on same account 😃
thats all
edgy furnace
I know I was just saying that probably won’t be a problem cause humans are gonna be on the bottom of the food chain unless they have good weapons (which also make them slower and loud so risky with good weapons still)
Though probably still a good idea to have a cool down for switching for like an hour or something
24 hours is a bit much imo
1-4 hours something like that
narrow rover
Yp, all good. We all agree on cool down timer. It's a must.
edgy furnace
There’s some other solutions that could work but that’d definitely work well
Maybe it just spawns them fairly far from the area they die?
narrow rover
Would be prone to exploiting. I memorized map like from dayz. So i can find you at your location or vicinity
edgy furnace
Map is big enough that they would have time to move out of the area
If it spawned them across the map it could work
misty island
We talking about the situation where ppl log on alts
If server slots are to be a thing
Hence the timer solutions
finite perch
@cobalt summit cant at least one of those dinos heal a dilo bleed while trotting? i could swear one of their gimmicks is insane walking bleed heal
cobalt summit
nope
ceras have ass bleed heal and allos are barely passable healers even without bleed
unless you mean dibbles, in which case idk
feral wedge
How would people get affected by a timer if they use a different account? There’s not going to be extra slots on one account, as that just reinvites the problem freshly remedied.
rotund tartan
it's an idea, but a bad idea
people said , ok, slots were 1 is herbie and 1 is carno.... it's the exact same thing
but not only that, it would be faster
so you would get countered even faster by a rex or trike... or whatever
feral wedge
“Hey let’s fix alt account exploitation a little and then reenable all of the scummy behavior again right after by letting them have alternate dinosaurs.”
Like no
There are different servers
pale prairie
i'm pretty sure don said the option to enable "save slots" on unofficial servers would be coming sometime in the future.
feral wedge
Unofficials aren't my problem, tbh. People make them nasty enough already.
mighty saffron
Yeah because locking slots to a single steam ID which would make offenders easily identifiable and banable is such a bad idea.
Disabling family share didnt get rid of the problem at all it just put it behind a paywall which will admittetly lower the problems experienced while FS was activated.
The Problem is that playing with friends without having to change the server every 5 minutes is also put behind said paywall.
_>
Also what will happen once all the factions are in ? Do you limit every player to one faction since you dont want slots ? And if every faction gets 1 slot then you are just back at square 1.
The Decision to exclude slots entirely is short sighted at best.
teal grotto
@mighty saffron I think the Dev's said character slots are going to be a thing but the coding rework has to be completed first... Dont quote me im just saying what I heard from other people on the grape vine.
@feral wedge well there is 1 unoffical server that actually are full of good people one of the only servers I know of that I like playing on..
fading shadow
Sorry I thought that was suggestions discussion
misty island
Welp @feral wedge the idea was if or when server slots are to be a thing, you can have multiple dinos or humans on the same server but to switch between them you will need to log out of that server for a certain amount of time
Not talking about alt accounts but alt slots on the same server which would go under the same steam Id and name
Cus ppl are saying
Let us play with friends with different dinos
Without losing progress on their apex
vagrant crest
It's also a pain in the butt to coordinate servers to play with people on
You just wind up with situation like
Me: "Want to play rex on US1"
Buddy : "Sorry bro, that server's got my giga"
rinse and repeat for every other server
A simple 30min delay for switching between dino's would suffice for preventing revenge killing
That's plenty of time for the winners to leave the area
prisma lily
30 min to an hour also more importantly gives folks time to heal in the event that they don’t decide to leave for some reason (maybe the fight was over a spot to begin with) which prevents the infamous “round two is starting right now ready or not surprise bonus rex”
because even with a gap of time folks are likely inclined to go back to where they’d been, either to cause trouble again or just to see if the coast is clear
misty island
^
So true
I mean
I would back the same time tmr to see if the cunt killed me are still around
So
shell willow
@stoic crow Carnos don't have ambush and austros realistically can't run that fast, even if it's just a game, it's unreasonable. Carnos already have a shit turn radius and whether or not austro can be caught up to doesn't matter if it can just out-turn carno.
stoic crow
@shell willow But it cant out-ran it! You can turn as much as you want but carnos have more stam. The stam really should get higher! It could be that fast even its a game cause its unfair that they are from other times.
shell willow
@stoic crow The problem is not outrunning it. I agree with giving it more stam, but carno's stam is not the best, and carno's stam regen is god awful. A carno using all of its stam just for 1 austro is a waste and a stupid move.
Tons of dinos in-game are slower than carno and can get away just fine
stoic crow
@shell willow Thats a good argument but carnos have much stam.
But the carno doesn’t even get bleed XD.
Thats why he could run after it.
shell willow
They really don't. Many things can out-stam carnos, and if they play it smart, even a utah can catch a carno.
And carnos do get bleed @stoic crow, if a dilo gets a few bites on a carno, the carno will only bleed out faster if it starts running.
The problem comes down to bleed heal. If the dilo doesn't constantly catch up to it to re-bleed it, it'll just heal off the bleed.
stoic crow
No a austro dont gives bleed!
shell willow
Austro should bleed, but it really wasn't a bleeder
Its bleed shouldn't be high enough to kill a carno easily.
stoic crow
Not even a ava gets bleed that should be fixed!
shell willow
Avas do bleed
stoic crow
Not from austro.
shell willow
Avas bleed out all the time, it just doesn't have the bleeding effect
And austro is a sandbox dino, so it's irrelevant whether it can bleed or not right now
stoic crow
Thats right, good arguments, I will take the argument with the speed back, but even the turning cycle isnt that good 😦
shell willow
It's much better than a carno at full speed's
Austro shouldn't be fighting a carno in the first place
stoic crow
It should run but isnt fast enought.
shell willow
I agree with the health, stam, and bleed. If austro gets added to survival, it will need buffs in health, stam, and bleed. It just doesn't need to be able to bleed carnos to death, and it doesn't need to be a speed demon.
stoic crow
Or he should give bleed and run that the carno would be dumb if he run after him.
I think it would be a nice speed demon 😉
But it should give bleed to let him go away not much, I think of 0.5.
shell willow
An austro's diet doesn't consist of carnos, I would see carnos being more likely to actually hunt austros. Carnos were fast so they could hunt things that were also fast, like gallis or maias. Austro should be fast and out-turn carno, but austro shouldn't be able to easily kill a carno whenever it wants. It would require a relatively large pack of austros to kill a carno trying to hunt them.
stoic crow
I took the speed back and deleted it.
No I mean to get him run away.
Cause out-turn is really hard for an austra.
You cant attack him if he crouches and you cant run away. Its difficult to find the golden middle.
shell willow
That would count as easily being able to attack and kill a carno. Attacking and then running away, preventing the carno from running after you because of bleed would almost ensure that you have the winning side. Austro can actually really easily out-turn a carno, that combined with the ability to bleed him to death would be really weird and out of place for an austro of all things. Austro would feel no need to be attacking carnos, if anything, if an austro sees a carno it would run away or hide the best it can.
stoic crow
I dont think run away would really help, but it should make 0.05 bleed.
misty island
actaully on a more serious note
any animal should be able to bonebreak anything 1/5 of thier weighht
shell willow
Not even a pack of utahs can easily take out two carnos at the moment, if the carno is good. A utah being the largest raptor, that would mean that austro would then become either a clone of utah or worse than utah. Carno would be the one easily killing austros because carnos already have a good time killing utahs if the utahs are dumb enough to not know how to out maneuver them.
stoic crow
Not every but more then are in this game, yeah.
No Not to kill! That would be much less.
To out run him after he outturned him, cause he is to slow.
shell willow
Utahs are supposed to be the weakest carnivore atm, adding austro would make austro the weakest and then austro would be hunted by utahs.
stoic crow
If the carno lays dow he will reg instant
Yes but they leave on cliffs where uthas cant get without bonebrakes.
shell willow
Not really, carnos don't regen stam fast at all, and their health regen isn't that quick either. They don't instantly heal quick enough to kill you when you start to run. Their turn is slow, slow enough for you to be able to run into the trees where the carno can't get you.
Austros have no reason to live on cliffs, and with less chance of a bone break, what does it matter if you can't even get off the cliff? There's no way down, you'd have to just jump down and die.
stoic crow
No on river cliffs(I dont know the word.).
shell willow
They could live and nest in the mountains' cliffs, I can see that happening, but if an austro thinks it can escape a utah but jumping down on the canyon cliffs, it'll die.
stoic crow
Gulch!
shell willow
Canyon cliffs very rarely allow you to get back up or down. Canyon cliffs would be the ones to worry about. If you get stuck on a canyon cliff, you pretty much have to die.
stoic crow
No I lived much times in gulches(Canyon cliffs)!
*on.
And austras eventually should get less bleed! Even uthas can 2 hit them.
shell willow
You might survive the trip down into the ledges, but there are very few ways to survive getting back up or going down. You'd have to have a really good jump to climb the way back up, and one wrong step can send you plummeting down.
stoic crow
Yes but he gets like no fall damage.
shell willow
I've suicided 2 utahs already to the canyon cliffs because there was no way up or down.
Fall damage doesn't matter because the height is so tall that you die instantly no matter how good you are.
stoic crow
They are much lighter, thats why they get that much bleed.
shell willow
They're much lighter, that's true, but they aren't birds, they can't flap their arms and survive.
stoic crow
Gulches mostly arent that high.
shell willow
They will still die to that height.
The canyons are very high. Want a screenshot of that time my herrera got stuck? I almost died of thirst, I couldn't get back up, and I eventually had to jump off and die.
stoic crow
No I fell down from one and only got less bonebrake.
shell willow
it depends on where you are at the cliffs
if you're in the middle of the canyon, you won't survive
stoic crow
It was on the server 1...
shell willow
unless you're like, god, or ultimate galli, and you can hop the smaller ledges
stoic crow
Server 1 doesnt have that big cliffs.
shell willow
yes, it does
all V3 mapped servers have canyon cliffs
if you jump from that height regardless of your weight, you will fall and die
austros can't escape utahs or carnos that way
they would only be forced to die to the utahs or hunger/thirst
stoic crow
Thats why map 1 is better for them.
stoic crow
Yeah.
shell willow
there are no official servers with thenyaw
stoic crow
Or map 2?
shell willow
people don't like playing on thenyaw often because of bugs
map 2 is V3 I think you mean, and V3 has many of the canyon cliffs
stoic crow
Ahm isla nycta 1.
barren zephyr
nycta 1 is on thenyaw
shell willow
ah
interesting, but not everyone plays on nycta, most people play on V3 with the cliffs
stoic crow
They should make better lokations for austras and hereras!
shell willow
They aren't in survival, so it's not a priority
shell willow
They won't make specific locations for sandbox dinos, they barely make special locations for survival dinos
carnos barely have any open area space to use their running ability
stoic crow
Thats why I want it to get survival XD.
shell willow
It most likely won't even be playable in survival, from what I heard it's probably only going to be AI
stoic crow
But it makes that much fun, much more than utha!
indigo sun
Oh thats a shame. A lot of people like the idea of austro being a low tier fisher
shell willow
And even if it was playable in survival, they wouldn't make austro-specific areas where austros would thrive because then they would have to do it for every dino, and that takes a lot of time for something they really don't need to work on at this moment.
Austro is not better than utah in terms of how fun it is to play, right now I would say utah is more fun than austro purely because utah is just a better version of austro.
If they added austro to the game, what would it have right now, as of this version of the game that utah doesn't have?
stoic crow
In my opinion it really makes fun to jumping on cliffs!
stoic crow
No they can jump a little bit higher than uthas and get less fall damage.
Not off! On!
At thenyway thats possible.
shell willow
It would be way too overpowered, for austro to be able to jump off cliffs that high and be totally fine. I can see them having a better fall resistance, but they aren't mountain goats. They won't be able to scale mountains and not die trying. Yes it's possible on thenyaw because they barely have any deadly cliffs, but on V3, the most popular of the 2 maps, there are lots of deadly cliffs that austros will mistake for survivable.
stoic crow
They dont will jump off, on cliffs!
They can jump higher than mountain goats XD even the babies.
shell willow
But that's the thing, they aren't mountain goats
and they really don't look like they were built for climbing mountains and cliffs
stoic crow
Where is the difference?
But they are built for canions to fish there and climb up there.
What ever thank you for everything!
shell willow
the difference is that mountain goats are mammals and goats specialized for climbing steep cliffs and mountain ranges, and austros are raptors, reptiles who most likely did not live on mountain sides because fish don't really live on cliffs and mountains.
Austros were fishers from what I can see, and they would live wherever the fish did, I suppose. If they lived for climbing cliffs and mountains, they wouldn't rely on fish as a staple diet.
shell willow
ok "raptor"
sick crescent
Fish on mountain sides makes no sense
indigo sun
They arent really built for canyons/mountains/cliffs. Not much about their design says that. Theyre fast fish eaters. Austro doesn't look at all like something that should climb cliffs. It looks like an average piscivore. They'd do well in areas where they could fish and their speed wouldnt be a detriment, like rivers running through plains or lakes with a bit of space around them.
sick crescent
How is it going to be possible?
shell willow
^
mental prairie
I see some people talking about revenge killing in servers if we had alt accounts. I think it’s extremely unfair that the actions of a few jerks ruined this game for me and some friends who just liked having multiple dinosaurs on the same server. I shouldn’t have to choose to kill off my 7 hour apex just because there isn’t a system to allow me to have a couple of dinos on the same account. Revenge killing is against the rules as KOS, you can’t necessarily enforce both, but it’s unfair that the general populace who just want multiple dinos on a good server don’t get that option.
indigo sun
Unfortunately, the amount of rulebreakers using alt accounts for the sake of breaking rules is too high
And besides, the feature was never supposed to be on in the first place. People survived without it before. Y'all can survive without it again.
mental prairie
I mean technically I didn’t because I’m newer 😂
I made a suggestion about preventing revenge killing in suggestions
I suggest you read it. I think it’s a good idea
indigo sun
Have they not already said they'd be adding a way to have multiple dinosaurs per server already? Cause I think it's been quoted maybe six times today.
mental prairie
No I asked the dev and he said they need a system to prevent revenge killing before they would add a system like that
“If we were to consider something like that first we'd need to find ways to prevent the majority of abuse cases”
indigo sun
And your solution would presumable be the timer that other people have already suggested
I think ten minutes is far too low, personally. Cause some people will hang around an area for more than ten minutes after making a kill and if you know the map, you can easily get to where you died from wherever you spawn in with your other dinosaur
coarse shell
@barren zephyr dondi confirmed a save slot system was coming so
barren zephyr
Fuck
indigo sun
Why are you against it?
barren zephyr
Because it will allow people to track you down and kill you immediately after you kill them
coarse shell
thats why a timer was suggested
indigo sun
The point of people suggesting a timer is so that they cant do that
coarse shell
i think a minimum of 1 hour would be nice
sacred wyvern
tbh
barren zephyr
i dislike the entire slot suggestion but i think 10 minutes is more then enough time
sacred wyvern
a slot system would be so bad
coarse shell
10 minutes is short as hell
sacred wyvern
imagine me with 10 carnos
barren zephyr
if u cant leave the area in 10 mins its ur fault u died
barren zephyr
ok u wish^
sacred wyvern
i hope strains and magna arnt allowed slots
barren zephyr
10 carnos ok
indigo sun
If they cant switch to a different slot immediately after dying (preferrably 30-60 minutes) they cant revenge kill. Hence why people suggested the timer in the first place
barren zephyr
Yeah it's also gonna make that feeling of starting over after you die disappear
The feeling of progression
sacred wyvern
if u get 1 strain/magna all ur other slots should be un useable
barren zephyr
And you just won't care if you die or not, making the game into a giant FFA
coarse shell
im not for the save slot thing either because ive literally never had an issue with having to switch servers for having more than one dino. but then again, the man himself said it was coming so yeah
sacred wyvern
because imagine if i u had jut a bunch of strains into slots
coarse shell
different timers for different dinos, possibly?
indigo sun
Not all servers have multiple servers people can switch between. Some only have one
prisma lily
ten minutes is way too short a period of time, if you’ve broken a leg or took heavy bleed your dino will be sat for most or all of that time, unable to leave
mental prairie
30 mins would be maybe okay. 60 mins is way too much
barren zephyr
Good point Tratser
mental prairie
Like I don’t wanna have an hour. That’s crazy 😂
sacred wyvern
id assume dondi has a fix to having a bunch of strains put into slots
other than not caring id die
it seems ok
prisma lily
30-60 mins gives ample time for the person to really consider if they wanna swap to another existing dino they have or try respawning a new one and skip the timer
sacred wyvern
include magna there aswell
prisma lily
it would also give time for things to change up wherever they’d died, putting a damper on revenge killing, because if they really are insistent on using a dino they’ve already grown, by the time they have it in they will be less likely to be able to track down their killers.
barren zephyr
i think instead of adding a slot system to people can jus throw away adult dinos because we have 4 backups everyone learn to keep their dino alive and value the life
prisma lily
hence why i also feel like there needs to be an apex limit on the slots
sacred wyvern
a limit in general
prisma lily
one apex per person’s saved dinos
sacred wyvern
and 1 strain/magna should take up every slot
barren zephyr
no strains.
or magnas.
10 slots is waaaay too many
having a full grown dino is already most of the way to a strain
sacred wyvern
how about 3 slots
indigo sun
Perhaps only allowing one slot for each dinosaur and only one apex slot. Or maybe no more than two carnivores and two herbivores
mental prairie
5 slots with the limit of 2 apexes would be good
barren zephyr
2-3 is reasonable
mental prairie
So you have a rex and Giga
mental prairie
No it’s not
sacred wyvern
3 seems fine
barren zephyr
Imo
prisma lily
i feel like strains need to be treated more as an event than a saved creature, they’re doomed to die and should be associated with a limited factor
mental prairie
3 is like nothing
vagrant crest
No, make it 1 apex carni slot and 1 apex herbie slot then
prisma lily
3 is a good amount
mental prairie
5 would be good I think
barren zephyr
3 is more then any one deserves
indigo sun
Dear gods no. People shouldnt be able to have a backup apex then it means nothing to them
sacred wyvern
tratser
barren zephyr
3 is more than enough
sacred wyvern
only hypo is doomed to die
tisso and neuro and special boi magna aint
and even then
ive sustained the old hypo in prog so its only gonna be a little harder to sustain the new one
mental prairie
Apexes are just as important if you have 4 of them
Each one took effort and hours to grow
Losing each one is just as much of a blow as the next
sacred wyvern
not really
mental prairie
Like I had 2 apex accounts. When I lost my rex it sucked
indigo sun
Not really. I wont care about losing one rex if I've got another one I can hop on immediately after
barren zephyr
^
indigo sun
Or not immediately
barren zephyr
alot of people do
mental prairie
If I lose a rex it sucks really bad
prisma lily
tisso and neuro strains also come across as fragile in terms of like... long term survival? tisso is small and made of knives and poison. having that forever seems excessive. and neuro strains look like they are suffering bags of eyeless flesh, even if they have strong powers.
prisma lily
it was way more than a few lol
mental prairie
Most people used it for multiple dinos
indigo sun
They banned family sharing cause of a lot of people
prisma lily
it was a consistent issue across nearly every server
mental prairie
I never noticed anyone ever revenge killing tbh
sacred wyvern
if alot of people dont care about losing a rex
indigo sun
There were so many people abusing it
prisma lily
every time i would go on a daily pack hunt we would find alt accounts and mixpacking alts
it has been a huge issue, and limiting apex saves to 1 seems very reasonable.
mental prairie
Well regardless I think a slot system with a 15-30 minute timer would be perfect. Of course you can start another dinosaur, but if you want to use an alt you must wait
I think 2 apexes would be good just because if you lose 1, you have only 1 “backup”, and also it allows you to swap up potentially boring gameplay with a rex to a Giga
prisma lily
that goes back to my and others’ well known issue of taking down a rex only for a giga alt to replace it
sacred wyvern
ok
indigo sun
You shouldnt get a backup seven hour dinosaur. You should get one that you value keeping alive.
sacred wyvern
fix this problem
mental prairie
Wouldn’t that just be revenge killing?
prisma lily
its a bad look for that to consistently happen
sacred wyvern
i bet u cant
mental prairie
Okay ask away
mental prairie
What? 😂😂
prisma lily
mental prairie
Got me there
indigo sun
You should only be allowed one slot for a dinosaur. Not like, seven of the same.
sacred wyvern
but does it take skill to grow
indigo sun
Then losing one means nothing
sacred wyvern
yes
mental prairie
That would be perfect actually
prisma lily
i feel like strains should either take up all save slots you have or be unsavable
mental prairie
1 slot per species
sacred wyvern
i agree trat
sacred wyvern
strains/magna/legendary deino should take up all slots
mental prairie
Or 2 Gigas
prisma lily
having multiple apexes is still a problem
mental prairie
Okay dang imma suggest that
I mean you can only have a max of 2 apexes with 1 per species anyways
prisma lily
again, i have had folks revenge kill with alt gigas and rexes, they swap between
prisma lily
im still gonna push for 1 apex limit on save slots, plus timer in general.
indigo sun
If you have to wait half an hour to switch to an apex, it might work
mental prairie
Yeah exactly. Sometimes I’m sad my rex died so I would hop onto Giga to be like “Yeet”
barren zephyr
Won't people still be able to make alts? To bypass the timer?
Making the whole slot system pointless
sacred wyvern
still have to buy the isle for that though right
prisma lily
making it more difficult by disabling family sharing helps
folks have to fork out 20$ per cheese
barren zephyr
Yeah, disable family sharing
prisma lily
it has been disabled, hence the drama in folks wanting officialized alt system
prisma lily
im all for more dino saves, 3 per server possibly, but with the catch that you are limited to 1 apex save, a timer to switch between, and strains can either not be saved or take up all slots when saved.
sacred wyvern
nah
take up all slots
strains should be saveable plus magna and legendary deino
it would be sad if u get a strain
server crashes
u lose it
prisma lily
tru! im just thinking of the possible chaos of folks collaborating and saving strains to log on all at once later on
like, this is multiplayer pvp but you can save a living bazooka for a long while until all your buddies have some too and just Boom
sacred wyvern
i mean
if 2 hypos team up
they gonna die from starvation quickly
and they can set rules for them right
like they have for apexes
prisma lily
i think the intention with strains is they aren’t inclined to collaborate all the time? even hypo carno, which can team with other carnos, is encouraged to eat them after a set time
umbral prairie
I wouldn't be surprised if you just lost hypers if you logged
since their time is supposed to be very limited in general
sacred wyvern
yea but
they are meant to be hard to get
losing them because ur internet goes out
thats not cool
umbral prairie
yeah that would be frustrating
prisma lily
usually if its client side and you log in fast enough they’ll still be there. server side crashes are harder to plan.
sacred wyvern
h0w long can u survive as it
rocky iris
I do that often 
rocky iris
I'm glad you liked my suggestion and added onto it though.
barren zephyr
I guess you can kinda say that lol
paper oriole
Holy shit those apostrophes
lament kayak
@rustic meadow The giga ran at 50 kmph wdym
barren zephyr
@mild token well if people start buying multiple game copies that's good for the devs, more money for them.
mild token
@barren zephyr So it's all about the money?
barren zephyr
No, I'm saying if you want to revenge kill that bad buy more copies, which is good for the devs
mild token
And what if I want to be able to play as different dinos?
barren zephyr
You will be, with the slot system
teal grotto
@lament kayak Basicly it ran faster then a Rex right?
barren zephyr
You'll just have to wait a bit
mild token
I hope we get a slot system that is good.
barren zephyr
I hooe we don't get one at all
teal grotto
@barren zephyr and Dev's will catch you being a prick to everyone for revenge killing then a permaban
barren zephyr
Hope*
mild token
I had 2 austro on both servers (of an server), 2 herra on one and 1 herra on another server.
I will miss playing as them.
barren zephyr
@teal grotto exactly, so the people who buy multiple copies will give them money and lose their accounts, it's a win win situation
teal grotto
We are better off getting a character slot set up that has cooldowns on when you can login with said dino when you safe log..
lament kayak
@teal grotto Of course. The rex was slow in real life but it needs the speed in game if it even wishes to catch any prey other than a trike
teal grotto
Timer doubles when you die
On apexes
@lament kayak then why is giga slower then a speed demon rex
lament kayak
@teal grotto it has stam and Its comparable to rex in strength. With ambush it can catch lots of dinos I believe. I mean, they could swap speeds and have no issues
Considering how rex starves slowly
teal grotto
Yeah I think that gigas should be faster then a Rex lol
Cause you know HIGH PITCH TTS SOUND BONE BREAK! !!
lament kayak
@teal grotto I do however have an idea. The giga can have 50 speed with no ambush (or 43 speed and 50 ambush) with 15 second stam (maybe 30 but I have another idea). The giga can only regen stam while sitting, however, once it loses all of its stam, it can regen back up to 10 seconds while standing because it could get run down. But after that 10 second regen happens, it must sit.
So its basically a quick ambusher with a great trot
lament kayak
Then it'd rundown giga
teal grotto
No
indigo sun
aren't gigas meant to be endurance predators and rexes ambush predators?
lament kayak
Yes, the rex just needs slow stam regen while standing
lament kayak
@indigo sun if a dinosaur is rex sized and runs fast, I'd imagine it'd struggle to run long. That's where trot comes in play
teal grotto
@indigo sun yes Buuut Rex is faster then a giga in sprinting and ambush...
Its slow in trot
indigo sun
because rexes are meant to be fast for short periods, while giga bleeds out its prey by making it move constantly
lament kayak
The giga can do a hit and run with 50 speed, and trot it down
the sit down regen should be decent I believe
But not enough that it can rundown allos over long long distances
teal grotto
But that makes 0 sense when it is the fastest apex when it can only do subpar 30
lament kayak
The giga also looks very weird and stiff when running at 30 speed
I preferred the giga's old speed. It ran as fast as an allo but had acro stam
its ambush outran carnos
teal grotto
So I say give the giga its speed... And to help thevrex out give it a slow standing stam regeneration...
lament kayak
lot more viable since you could hit and run or snatch a small dino
The rex could just be 31 speed and have good stam
and same ambush
teal grotto
Its still the bone breaking scum that it is lol
lament kayak
the rex really needs ambush
The base speed is a waste of stam and often gets it stuck with trikes
Although, since rex can facetank trike, maybe the lack of stam is to compensate for that
teal grotto
Im talking about if the giga regains 1 point
Rex should gain 0.5 point
Basicly saying giga regains 30 points whilevrex regains 15 points on that time frame
Rex is still the ambush monster that it is..
But if a giga has its speed back I won't mind seeing a Rex having a minor stam regeneration
But atm... Gigas still have the short end of the stick its disgusting..
versed blaze
Gigas have hte short end of the stick?
Massive alt turn, regen stam, etc. I think they're in a decent place
languid ember
Gigas are far more survivable solo. It just has one bad matchup which is rex, and also easily avoidable by just paying attention
teal grotto
They are slow and being chased by a Rex sprinting and you can't really do much about it cause you know its faster then you Lol 50 meters good luck
languid ember
It’s 24
Ish
Not 50
If you get that close to a rex i don’t feel slightly bad for you losing your giga
versed blaze
Rexes ambush is faster
teal grotto
^
versed blaze
After that, Giga walks away
teal grotto
Bone break is still bone break bacon
languid ember
Rex ambush is also shorter, giga in the end gains more distance because og the extra seconds
formal heath
oh hey bazil
versed blaze
Bone break, yeah, still a chance there
languid ember
As fat as i’m aware irl rex was better built for higher speeds than giga was, so that irl argument is invalid
versed blaze
This isn't IRL, though, it's a game
teal grotto
And the Rex choked on bones and died by choking on food
Yes I get its not real life but as I said make the giga faster and i won't mind seeing a Rex get a stanima regeneration love
versed blaze
You should be in the main discussion chat. So much is going to change.........
teal grotto
I should indeed I should but im not... Im just expirrenceing how I feel and such...
Making a suggestion and the like..
lament kayak
I just like the giga being fast
i like a sonic fatty y'know
I would like to see it being tested out
barren zephyr
@agile locust it was very beneficial
Plus I'm pretty sure the community supported that decision, that's why they made it
indigo sun
From what I can tell, it's really a small portion of the community being vocally upset about this
umbral prairie
I think an alternative would be nice, but for now it is better if it is off
barren zephyr
An alternative is the slot system they're making
versed blaze
I will say that it's a small portion of the community complaining. There are more grateful people than upset people. It's just the upset people are the most vocal.
umbral prairie
multiple slots would be cool but only with a cooldown so you cannot switch slots to revenge kill or luring people to where you logged with your apex slot
barren zephyr
That's exactly what they have planned
umbral prairie
nice
barren zephyr
It's a great compromise now that I think more about it, no more revenge killing, and you get more dinos per server
agile locust
If content people don’t speak up how do you know there are more of them @versed blaze
Yo Andre
barren zephyr
You were, weren't you?
agile locust
Of course. If I didn’t I wouldn’t complain
barren zephyr
Gotcha
indigo sun
If you scroll up to the first feedback left when they turned off family share, a lot of it is thanking them because of the horrible abuse that happened with family sharing
umbral prairie
@glossy tangle wdym
indigo sun
And also, the content people aren't screaming about how unfair this is
barren zephyr
Ofc you do, cuz now all the abusers are complaining
agile locust
It’s not the end of the world either. I just don’t think it’s the right choice
umbral prairie
it is probably just that more people that are unhappy say something about it than people that are happy
agile locust
I really think the abusers are not the majority of the complainers
indigo sun
Majority of people angry are saying "the actions of the few shouldn't affect the many"
torpid wedge
do you guys know if server slots will ever be a thing for official
versed blaze
Richard, we get why you're upset. honestly we do. But when people have 30+ alts, we can't ban them fast enough
Dino slots are coming
Just asking for some patience.
torpid wedge
but for official?
umbral prairie
of course the abusers aren't the people complaining, but it is still dumb to say 'well, off to go play BoB' just because of that
umbral prairie
some people also wished for TI to die because this was supposedly a 'ridiculous cash grab'
torpid wedge
official servers that is :<
agile locust
I’m love this game. That’s why I’m complaining
I love being able to switch between dinosaurs and styles of gameplay
umbral prairie
not sure if they will be a thing for officials
versed blaze
Richard, they will allow more than one dino per account on servers in a future update
IE, player slots
barren zephyr
If you were in love, I doubt you would try and find a way to abuse it
umbral prairie
I hope it will be for officials
torpid wedge
thats what im asking sam
umbral prairie
since that is where it was most used
torpid wedge
:<
umbral prairie
yeah I know, but afaik we don't know the answer
agile locust
Hopefully so
torpid wedge
... over half a year
agile locust
But you never know this game is small
torpid wedge
whats that got to do with it
indigo sun
I doubt itll be so soon
agile locust
It may take a long time
wintry cipher
question: what would make you value your dino then if you have 2-3 others in reserve? Because in my eyes, you wont. thus you will sometimes act unrealistically for a survival game. there's supposed to be risk -with multiple dinos per server, there is no risk.
barren zephyr
Keit, I completely agree
torpid wedge
keit that argument is valid but if the game doesn’t give you multiple dinos you just gotta buy more accounts
wintry cipher
or you just play the one you got.
torpid wedge
but who will do that?
agile locust
I value every Dino. But this game isn’t realistic. The more important thing is user happiness
Most people don’t want to play 1 Dino
Personally I don’t either
torpid wedge
versed blaze
We also have multiple servers too. 6 servers = 6 dinos
agile locust
It takes time to grow. And choosing a Dino is situational for instance there’s a dillo discord group so I hop on my dillo. Or a battle at HH so I get on my Gali
umbral prairie
pachyrhinosaurus was planned to be an expansion skin afaik
umbral prairie
although I still hope for pachyrhino AI
wintry cipher
they benefit the moshpit fighting style the game has at the moment. not the actual game design for the future
because currently, the onyl entertainment is fighting
barren zephyr
Taking time to grow is the beauty of the game Imo, but when you can just hop on to whichever dino you want kinda takes it away
agile locust
It’s equally survival as it is fighting
barren zephyr
It makes you appreciate you dino less, as Keit said
agile locust
I don’t think it does. I enjoy growing Dino’s. I’ve grow 3 carnos the point is I know if I want to play as one I can hop on my account
But I don’t value it any less
I hate dying
It’s more about having different types of Dino’s to me
So I can interact with all people
All types of gameplay
Not cheating the system
umbral prairie
I think that the value won't be lowered if there is a timer between switches, so you cannot go like 'Fuck I died, let's go with my full adult rex now'
you will still not want to lose your dino
versed blaze
For sure. We totally get the FamilyShare thing was a blow to those who used it responsibly.
Unfortunately, the only way to keep the game fair to everyone, for now, was to disable it
agile locust
Exactly. That’s my point. We all have our opinions but at the end of the day it hurt people who used it correctly
versed blaze
It's really no fun when you get mobbed by 5 alts
And there was really nothing we could do. Ban one, another popped up.
agile locust
I think there’s more harm then benefit on that decision
torpid wedge
especially when it was meant to be disabled anyway
finite perch
^
torpid wedge
no it was the best idea richard
agile locust
I’d rather deal with dying to relogs than ban sharing
torpid wedge
some people had dozens of alts
finite perch
whether or not it was used responsibly, i see it as an exploit
barren zephyr
^
agile locust
Yes. I agree we should fix the problem but we should have waited until the recode
versed blaze
Richard, that wasn't an option. Have you read #announcements ?
torpid wedge
^
versed blaze
Some of it is explained there.
agile locust
I’ll check it out
versed blaze
thanks!!
I appreciate the good convo too. Much better than the ragers the last couple days. 😃
agile locust
I see it but it’s the same thing I read earlier. They think it was necessary I don’t for the time until they develop slots
wintry cipher
ye this is a proper discussion x.x
agile locust
And yes this has been a good discussion
wintry cipher
also; as someone who only has one account (had an alt due to family share but lol) my playstyle VASTLY differs from my friends who bought 3-4 accounts.
its staggering
BUT
at the end of the day, some of the abuse systems i can think of for multi dino slots can be abused by people who bought alts
and theres nothing we can really do about it
torpid wedge
i don’t see it as exploiting when you just want to have many playstyles, if there was a big CD
agile locust
I agree
finite perch
I agree with keit!
wintry cipher
like, im willing to bet money people will send in random herbs to infiltrate herds to locate dinos and hunt them as tribal groups
torpid wedge
and yeah it can still be abused but this time when you ban them it bans a paid account so
indigo sun
I feel the amount of abuse and strain put on admins was far greater than the good family sharing did. It was a huge problem in the server I play on, where people who were permabanned would come back on 5+ alts and harass mods and admins
agile locust
Not everyone has time to kill of their dino just play as a Gali for 20 minutes
wintry cipher
that is when the game will become a "trust only yourself" game
agile locust
I didn’t experience much problems with it on IGP
finite perch
like.. Dondi took the time to drop a hypo on some proven multi-accounters
torpid wedge
official servers have it all the time
finite perch
wait how? there were a lot of multi-accounters on IGP
torpid wedge
people group baiting
versed blaze
Honestly, it was never intended to be on. Steam forced it, they just found how to shut it off
torpid wedge
utah v utah on sight
agile locust
Yeah. And few people complained a lot it
finite perch
like 75% of the people i asked had at least one alt, with a few users known for having up to 10, and a rumor of someone with even more
as a footnote i only play IGP
wintry cipher
freaking having 4+ accounts makes my head spin how do you track all that
indigo sun
It wasn't supposed to be on in the first place, so people who played without it before can play without it again.
torpid wedge
i had 5 and i had a little log
i had like, a subrex, a full giga, two utahs and a dryo
agile locust
I don’t care what is supposed to be our play style. I’m just making a point that it’s more harmful than beneficial to user satisfaction
torpid wedge
and i’d take note when each died and usually just grew them up with friends when the time came
finite perch
it harms my user satisfaction to be merc'd by an alt apex after an apex/apex fight
agile locust
Yep. When I died I’d grow it again
torpid wedge
now THAT is bs fraid
agile locust
Just switching day by day
ionic comet
Pachyrhino ain't coming @languid tundra
torpid wedge
that sucks like hell
agile locust
No really. I choose my account by day
finite perch
its happened to me .-.
another thing? it harms my user satisfaction when my utah pack logs onto their rex alts, because they have them, and i dont have alts at all
indigo sun
It harms my satisfaction when I need to deal with someone using yet another alt account to bypass a ban
agile locust
Depending on what Dino I want to be
That doesn’t effect the common user so much
We don’t have hackers in the game even
Just abusers
finite perch
it harms my satisfaction when a user banned for chat harassment sallys back in to harass more people in-chat
indigo sun
When we have to keep track of that, it's tiring and annoying
agile locust
For you. Not the player. As harsh as that sounds
agile locust
Thanks for being civil
versed blaze
You too!
finite perch
i see how alt accounts can be used effectively, but i don't think the decision should be rolled back
versed blaze
Well, it won't be. I'll just be frank about that.
It sucks for the playerbase but they'll have to wait for player slots.
agile locust
One more point, let’s say I’m an Apex player. I’d be less inclined to spend time growing my character if I only had one account. Cause it’s not so fun living in constant fear for 5 hours. I’d rather grow my rex maybe 2 hours. Hop on my Maia then get back on the next day. Wether you think that’s a beneficial or negative effect is your opinion. But I believe it’s a detriment.
Yeah it won’t be rolled back
But it’s still fun to talk about it
versed blaze
I use different servers for that Richard
finite perch
^
agile locust
Yeah I’ll start doing that more
versed blaze
Para on US1, Giga US2, Dryo US3
agile locust
I just really like the 200 slot ones
versed blaze
Ah, yeah.
agile locust
There’s only a few. And I love the IGP community
This is a social game. I like talking to people
finite perch
That is the game that I play, where apexes are a detriment to grow but an advantage to be. I do live in fear for 5 hours because the Isle is supposed to fledge into a horror game. I think its detrimental to ignore the scope of the game, but I as well only play servers with a 150-200 cap so i understand the benefit of alting on them
our experiences vary vastly, i had no idea people who alt played the game so differently
agile locust
If slots were here all the problems would be fixed. Servers for fun maybe have 4 slots. Realism maybe 1
I think it’s more similar than you think
versed blaze
Patience. hang in there with us until it's here!
versed blaze
We appreciate that!
agile locust
I remember I got the Isle 3 years ago but I couldn’t play it on my shitty Mac up until the past 4 months
I don’t think I’ve ever had this much fun playing a game
What more could you ask for other than a online pvp survival dinosaur game
versed blaze
You missed a LOT in the main discussion channel earlier. It's only gonna get better
New map, new spino, all kinds of new stuff coming
tepid light
hold up... NEW MAP??