V3 atleast
#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
misty island
Or their 90minute hunger which never gets full
barren zephyr
should thenyaw matter?
lot of trees everywhere, even at twins thats almost close being plains
it barely gets updated
jovial moss
Thenyaw has even less plains than V3 does
barren zephyr
plains do exist on south
or west idk which direction but big ass plains
also twins is big enough for u to avoid rex's as giga
lilac swallow
Anyway, rex are huge and even if fast they have very short ambush and stamina, that means they need to get their huge dino close to you, if a rex succesfully ambush you it deserves to kill you
lilac swallow
Rex has no chance of being killed by giga if he knows how to press left click
unkempt tiger
Omg have u guys even seen them 1v1 or been a giga/rex
barren zephyr
while the ones the get themselves killed which are dumb try to assride the giga which gets them killed
this happens often
unkempt tiger
The giga with broken leg more bleed and hits faster and can stay behind the rex
barren zephyr
Informating
unkempt tiger
In a 2v2 the rexs would win
barren zephyr
do you think a rex is dumb enough
to stay turn fighting a giga with a broken leg
while he can just hit and run
lilac swallow
So lets see,
Rex wins face tank
Rex has bone break so even if It didnt win face tank It could just ass ride it
Giga isnt agile enought to dodge a Rex attack
I see no way for a giga to kill a rex
misty island
Lol lamb
barren zephyr
wrong
unkempt tiger
Giga is more agile than rex?
barren zephyr
1v1 me rn
unkempt tiger
With broken leg itd indane
slender prawn
99% of the rexs ive fought have died beacause of that @barren zephyr
misty island
Your comment just suggested you haven fight Rex as giga or giga as Rex enough
barren zephyr
Cause they are new players
misty island
If you hit and run that’s how you die
lilac swallow
Hit and run is the worst thing a brawler could do vs a bleeder
barren zephyr
cause utah and rex is new player magnet
unkempt tiger
Iv fought decwnt rex players as giga
barren zephyr
You guys are not very experienced playing rexes
misty island
Lmfao
barren zephyr
i am
unkempt tiger
If they run away to try and get a better angle they get hirt more than giga of bleed
misty island
Why hit an run when they get there bone break and you can just Z and slowly turn ur ass and keep on biting them
Besides
unkempt tiger
I can 1v1 u guyd as giga in 6hours after school
dreamy dagger
u guys talking about rex fights?
misty island
Any Rex who run with 50 bleed deserves to be giga food
barren zephyr
How to spot a noob rex is when he solely turnfights
hasty parcel
I remember the time one giga managed to kill two rexes
lilac swallow
Just use common sense, hit and run let giga bleed you while he waits for you to hut again
hasty parcel
Because the two rexes were complete idiots and tried to first be friends with the Giga before later splitting off and getting picked off
dreamy dagger
I remember when I killed a rex as a diablo lol
misty island
If you are doing an arena fight
spiral pond
Lamb why are you arguing over giga again when I told you the exact same thing yesterday as people here ?
dreamy dagger
new player
misty island
Giga would actually win
hasty parcel
Diablo is a feisty potato
dreamy dagger
ikr
misty island
But in survival
barren zephyr
I don't know Rex mains love to argue
dreamy dagger
diablo is best potato
misty island
Your biggest issue is not the dinos states
spiral pond
Also no if giga was 32 km
barren zephyr
giga main
misty island
Is the fact weather if they would combat log
spiral pond
Dibble and sucho could be just deleted from the game
dreamy dagger
giga vs rex really depends on the players skill
hasty parcel
Dibble got an increase in speed to in fact help it escape from Sucho and Giga better
barren zephyr
Sucho already gets deleted by everything
hasty parcel
Sucho only gets deleted by apexes
spiral pond
Ye
misty island
And a Rex player with half a brain would know to bait a giga in close enough with logging screen
hasty parcel
Sucho decks everything else
barren zephyr
true
misty island
While ambushing
barren zephyr
i went on a killing spree when i met no apexes as sucho
dreamy dagger
whenever I have to fight a giga as a rex I'm always trying to get behind them
barren zephyr
sucho is just an apex when apexes dont exist
dreamy dagger
bc once you're behind it's game over
spiral pond
If Sucho didn’t have such slow trot walk and crouch I think it would be fine
misty island
Lolz I am so lucky I managed to troll three suchos as a solo allo the other day
dreamy dagger
I personally don't really like playing as sucho due to it's slow trot and shitty crouch speed
misty island
While my idiot baba logged in the nest without waiting
dreamy dagger
it just annoys me
especially when I have to move
because I have to wait for my stamina
lilac swallow
Just a question lamb, alt turn or no alt turn?
dreamy dagger
no alt turn
misty island
We talking bout official server here lmfao
dreamy dagger
gives smaller dinos a better chance
that's how I managed to kill the rex as my dibble, bc they couldn't alt turn
misty island
Yes I know
dreamy dagger
and diablo has a godly walk turn
barren zephyr
Both
dreamy dagger
it's so fun
lilac swallow
Yeah because 1 hour dinos needs better chances against 6 hour dinos
misty island
Otherwise the only reason you as a dibble could kill a Rex is if it’s afking
lilac swallow
Small dinos chances are their faster grow
misty island
And an apex need a chance to die to something considered 6times weaker than it....?
Don’t call them apex then
Call them large chicken
dreamy dagger
it do be like that sometimes
personally the game is unbalanced as it is since peeps can have alt accounts and whenever they die they can just log on their other 500 apex dinos they have
and then megapacks
those are fun
misty island
I understand alt account
They are technically not breaking any rules
They are just having more reserves
barren zephyr
true
jovial moss
Got hunted cross the entire map by a pack of six dilos once because they kept ambush spamming to close the distance 
misty island
They did not buy their Dino or whatever
barren zephyr
But gets boring when the meta is mostly Rex vs Rex
misty island
They did too spend the amount of time required to grow them
lilac swallow
The meta are dilos allos and gigas
barren zephyr
Only times die by a giga if he gets behind me while I am not aware he was there
misty island
It’s the alt growing protection thing that is considered cheating
barren zephyr
i know people who use alt accounts cause they play on 1 server
misty island
Or revenge killing
I have three rexs on us1
But I always make sure they are all in different locations
barren zephyr
eu1 is the only alive eu server
misty island
Usually I put one at twins and one at aviary
barren zephyr
It's why people go to semi realism servers
mental sleet
wat, chungus
misty island
And the other one I roam
barren zephyr
to avoid the cancer of dilos bleeding you out
misty island
Lmfao
barren zephyr
wat wat?
misty island
Lamb I remember you were one of the ppl screaming for dilos to have their bleed back
But no
barren zephyr
It's hilarious have like a megapack of dilos come bite you and wait 10 minutes for you to bleed out
lilac swallow
Semi realism where alt turn is disabled and dilos can assride you?
barren zephyr
a single dilo is enough too
damn dilos be really thinking they can wipe the server once they are 10 lmao
mental sleet
they might be able to chungus
mental sleet
they can kill apexes with surprising ease at night
misty island
Only reason ppl like no alt servers is because they can ass ride ppl
mental sleet
if they don't log that is.
barren zephyr
you probably were thinking a server with dilos and alt turn enabled
u must have a dark ass monitor to think that
those are no issue
mental sleet
I don't tend to abuse gamma for NV so yeah.
misty island
And the only reason they can do that is because there are something supposedly would stop that from happening is not in the game yet
mental sleet
Its actually dangerous
barren zephyr
and you get dilos behind your apex
misty island
So
barren zephyr
idont understand what is gamma abusing lol
misty island
Well
barren zephyr
had my gamma at 100% before when it was pitch black couldn't see shit
mental sleet
increase the gamma on your monitors to decrease the effect of night time.
misty island
If not every player can access that information you could because you altered the default settings of your computer of which the game is supposedly to be played on
mental sleet
the darker your monitor, the worse it is at night time.
misty island
Then you are creating an advantage out of nothing
mental sleet
I can't see past 3-4 meters from my dinosaur, for example
barren zephyr
i consider gamma abusing installing a software
misty island
Using something outside of the game to obtain advantage against other players
barren zephyr
like reshade
mental sleet
that isn't always what constitutes gamma abusing.
misty island
It’s not exactly fair
To other players
That’s why ppl call it abuse
Not hacking or cheating
barren zephyr
other players need to know that people have different monitor brightness's
misty island
Chung
Scroll up
I already have u my version of the definition
Please don’t argue with me..... I am not here to argue
I am merely sharing my point of view
barren zephyr
i remember being in a dilo pack and one of them was hunting a pachy on a river at night he was suprised that the pachy could see him but i was not cause he was walking over a river which was bright af
nighttime can get dark for me tho
misty island
Nvm peace out guys
barren zephyr
like that cloudy phase and dense forests
misty island
He doesn’t even care what other thinks and just wanted to share his story
barren zephyr
pretty much
well thats rude
Also did some research and what you said on trike might be true
since trike takes
20% max health damage
per minute while bleeding
mental sleet
only if bleed is at maximum I suppose?
barren zephyr
Giga takes roughly 15% mac health
max*
yes
Also trike bleed heal is same as rex
so it takes
10 minutes to fully heal max bleed
its a known fact trike bleeds to death from 3 giga bites 
While for Giga it takes 9 minutes
I mostly hunt with a pair
so probably didn't bother
cause the bleed is pretty fucky, like
if you ambush run or sprint into a trike
it lowers your bleed resistance a lot
and I would be at 2-3 droplets after few passes
so we just would bite it down instead
barren zephyr
rex is like the only creature that uses the ambush feature in a realistic way
Oh wait
You sure Multi?
mental sleet
when you take any bleed, you are essentially bleeding out
the more activity you do, the faster you'll bleed out
barren zephyr
yes thats true
mental sleet
so when you have bleed
barren zephyr
there is a modifier
mental sleet
if you sprint, you'll take much more damage
barren zephyr
on bleed damage if you move
barren zephyr
That probably explains it
I always watched this datasheet and wondered what those numbers meant
dry cradle
wait did running really not increase bleed?
if so I've had it all wrong for so long now lol
could have sworn way back when your could still see your stats that bleed would go up if your moved
lilac swallow
Running makes you lose more hp per second but dont raise your bleed
misty island
I have a question
We all know giga has 50 bleed
But what does the 50 bleed in it’s attack means??? Is it 50 bleed standing 50 bleed running or 50 bleed sitting
barren zephyr
50 bleed standing
pulsar lake
It's 50 old bleed
Now bleed have changed
When à giga bite a rex is something like 17 of bleed
After in the wiki is 50 bleed for adult
unkempt tiger
U guys still talking about giga vs rex?
pulsar lake
Rex take down a giga if he ambush him
After giga can't really figth in 1v1 a rex
And giga need just to run when he see a rex
Or just trot
You can ambush a rex but not fight in face tank and its normal
But wait the combat system, with this it will be fine
valid flower
Someone pinged me?
jovial blade
@barren zephyr
Because I dont want ai playing a big part in the food system I rather bigger player slots and the decrease of ai spawns
brisk mesa
Levi, the character menu factors in resistance
barren zephyr
thats what i want but i dont want them to spawn so close to players
brisk mesa
It shows the actual damage your dinosaur is taking every 3 seconds
So a Giga does 50 base bleed a pop, however a sitting Giga has a bleed mult of 0.15
Therefore, biting your packmate accidentally and having them sit down, if they open the menu it would show 7.5 bleed every 3 seconds
@misty island @pulsar lake
brisk mesa
Another example, if you as a Utah attack another Utah, you deal 20 'real' bleed, however the sprinting multiplier for Utah is 2.0. Therefore, if you could hypothetically open your character menu sprinting, that Utah is losing 40 HP every 3 seconds
barren zephyr
It's kinda terrifying consider cerato bleeding with modifiers
since base bleeding at max is already like 90% it's health per minute
bruh liking ur own suggestion 🙄
wintry cipher
Giga is an endurance hunter Apex now. That's it's identity. If thats not enough, it's identity was fucked from the get go given it's the sauropod counter. There's no sauropods. The issue before, and the issue that still remains is that giga only has one thing to fear: rex. Even a rex has to think twice about a Utah or dilo pack. It's not ideal, surely, but at least it feeds back into the ecosystem. Small is killed by medium, and medium is killed by large. Large is killed by small. Giga breaks this cycle in the game. Hence the rebalance it got to be a stam regernerating trot-down Apex. Before this point, they would just spam ambush and likely still do
misty island
@brisk mesa got it thanks
rotund tartan
@sonic socket if dinos can hold on to what they bite, it's a ok.. ish idea.... but would you really want to hold a bite on a dino when his friends are around you and since your main defense is busy holding on to 1 player... what will you do with his 2/3/4/5 friends that will turn you inside out till you let go ?
sonic socket
@rotund tartan it can be an ability so you can choose to hold bite or not. I modified my suggestion. Thanks for it
barren zephyr
It's the slowest carnivore dino in survival besides it's amazing trot. Even a sucho has a faster sprint than a Giga while it's real life counterpart that is estimated to run at 50km/h. I just find it really weird how it is in-game right now. I would rather have the giga have no stamina regen like a rex than it being this snail pace at catching up stuff on a sprint.
haha no
sorry
giga isn't even faster than rex with current estimates
formal vine
giga is SLOOOW
unborn quail
Giga is fine speed wise.
barren zephyr
Most estimate Rexes to be 40km/h while some give it as high as 70km/h
but idk now since the 8-9 ton rex find is new
sage helm
Whats "cringe" is how much you said cringe. And dinos cannibalized irl as believed
barren zephyr
if u mean tyrannosaurus as a whole it could reach 50km when its young and adolescent
formal vine
no I'm talking about constant cannibalisim, I find like these rex players with those yellow/white skins that just kill everything, they camp in an area, and kill any other rex that they see, instead of actually grouping up with them, even when not hungry in the official servers
unborn quail
I mean tyrannosaurs as in the family in a whole
sage helm
Thats called defending territory
formal vine
dinosaurs dont KOS their own species
sage helm
They dont let random dinos march through their territory
formal vine
is defending territories a thing in the isle?
barren zephyr
animals in realife like lions do
sage helm
Yea
barren zephyr
^
formal vine
I AM TALKING about official servers
barren zephyr
the dinosaurs in the game arent real lol
sage helm
I AM TALKING about official servers too
formal vine
They're not
barren zephyr
they're human minds trapped in dinosaurs i heard
formal vine
they've not made a rule that includes 'territory'
sage helm
This is the definition of territory
an area defended by an animal or group of animals against others of the same sex or species.
There doesnt have to be a rule
formal vine
ah I see now
formal vine
😄
barren zephyr
u see if im at twins and see a another rex who is stealing my possible future kills i will make him go away
misty island
Male tends to eat young ones
Adults fight adults for mating right?
Probly just roar at each other tho
barren zephyr
not eat just kill
misty island
^
brisk mesa
@barren zephyr
Adding a cooldown to ambush does not remedy any of it's issues or balance it out. You can still crouch and launch pad for a near-instant substantial speed boost which isn't at all ambushing, it's more like pouncing in a sense without any real planned strategy.
Increasing the timer needed to spend crouching to match whatever duration your dinosaur can ambush is a good start. Example, Cerato has a very weak, 1.1 mult, 6 second ambush. Normally that makes it pretty much fucking useless. But if you consider that it would only take 6 seconds of crouching to have a speed boost, vs. an Allo that would have his very powerful 1.3 mult 12 second ambush however needs to be crouching a whole 12 seconds... Cerato's ambush would have it's own viability.
(gonna post that as a suggestion rq)
olive breach
@misty island Like the killcam in all those FPS's 😂
misty island
Shhhhh
And yes
But not from the killers view
From the victims view
Like hover above ground for like a few meters
mental sleet
@brisk mesa ah yes, ambush.
misty island
And look down onto your dead body
And hear the Rex who bit ur head off scream for its victory
@olive breach
olive breach
Yeah I get ya.
👍
barren zephyr
that could work
misty island
Mostly because
It makes me sad
When I as Rex killed smthing big and roar
IT CANT HEAR ME
Yes Yes that must change so I can show my dominance
misty island
Exactly
unkempt tiger
We talking about rex v rex now,m
barren zephyr
actually, I think you can hear them
it happened to me to ear the guy that kill me eating my corpse while in the spawning menu
misty island
Well u can hear them eating u
But you can’t see them
Not their joy
Nor their faces of triumph
barren zephyr
I don't think you need to see them to know you are now dead meat
barren zephyr
the sound of them eating you is enough
I prefer being killed by carnis than by herbs for this reason
cause you know it wasn't "a waste" when you get eaten... and then you know who just wanted to kill you
eh ai spawns so close i dont even care if i kill water exploiters these days
your being killed for sport if ur getting killed by a carnivore
barren zephyr
yeah but some of them have at least the decency of eating your corpse
mental sleet
?
brisk mesa
Yeah XD
barren zephyr
Juvie and sub rex are different tho
but >ai
brisk mesa
Juvies yield a ton of food.
But anyways back to the suggestion...
Adding a post-death cam just is gonna fuel drama and revenge killing.
brisk mesa
Tell me how it isn't.
barren zephyr
more revenge kill
more ruthless players
we really could do without right now
brisk mesa
^^^
misty island
Anyways
mental sleet
is it ?
misty island
Stationary crouching to activate ambush speed
barren zephyr
I'm not screaming about "toxicity" but c'mon, people are ruthless enough as it is
brisk mesa
Yeah it is.
barren zephyr
im barely getting below 30% hunger as sub rex at 100/100 eu server😂
mental sleet
actually
brisk mesa
When growing my last Subrex I never went under 50%
barren zephyr
not everyone is part of the simulation, Chungus
brisk mesa
No it is, mods told me the other day.
mental sleet
It's not in the official server rules
barren zephyr
tbf, spending hours growing an apex to revenge kill someone is childish and a waste of time
maybe i mastered sixth sense
brisk mesa
No Slouping I mean, people having alt accounts
barren zephyr
i can pin point ai with ease
mental sleet
oh
brisk mesa
And logging them in to revenge kill.
barren zephyr
oh
mental sleet
that's different
barren zephyr
I forgot about these
mental sleet
I thought you meant just revenge killing
barren zephyr
barren zephyr
Same, dav
brisk mesa
Well yeah, a kill cam would make that a ton worse.
Imagine you kill a salty rex player
misty island
I almost forgot people sue alt for those purposes
brisk mesa
and he deploys his alt accounts, taking the time to memorise where you go
misty island
While I just use them as reserve dinos
brisk mesa
Yeah I use 'em for reserves
misty island
Have three rexs at three corner of the map
brisk mesa
Bingo Slouping
misty island
In case any of my friends want me to play
brisk mesa
That's what a kill cam would do.
brisk mesa
I hate suiciding in the Isle so I have an alt so i can have a backup dino if friends want to go as X
barren zephyr
three rex at 3 corners of a map
why not all three at the same place? so if you lose you can fuck over entire gangs of gigas by yourself
misty island
Cam would be hovering on top of the body for a few meters looking directly down onto your dead body
barren zephyr
if you're ready to spend more than 20 grinding rexes, that is
brisk mesa
Cuz he isn't cancerous
misty island
But ya
brisk mesa
Anyways, that feature's more of a novelty.
misty island
I wasn’t that serious about it anyways
barren zephyr
not bad
olive breach
Interesting indeed.
misty island
This is the only reason why I even suggested it
barren zephyr
oh so you like to be a jerk that like to salt the wounds?
misty island
Ok moving on
barren zephyr
:^)
misty island
And yes
barren zephyr
why would dead people hear u roar lol
misty island
Being jerk is fun
barren zephyr
but he's dead
misty island
As long as you have your own standard
brisk mesa
It would prevent ambush being used as an escape.
barren zephyr
well, ngl, I'd like to not get ambush escaped
misty island
Not like you would always come out on top
barren zephyr
yea i have to admit thats a better solution
brisk mesa
any change that makes Cerato more viable is good in my eyes
mental sleet
that's an exaggeration
brisk mesa
Shhh
misty island
@brisk mesa ideas awesome only one opinion, maybe for some of the dinos u need to be stationary to activate ambush
And after it is activate u can crouch around
barren zephyr
also make cerato able to use small corpses
brisk mesa
I mean some dinosaurs have such slow fuckin crouch speeds that they may as well be stationary
barren zephyr
cera is small af so ok
since allo is able to do it and cerato is meant to be THE scavenger/carrion
brisk mesa
glances at Sucho and DIlo
misty island
100%allo can’t
brisk mesa
Also, forcing someone to stand still 12 seconds is lame af.
misty island
Dun know bout cera never played it
barren zephyr
true
brisk mesa
At least let them crouch around slowly.
mental sleet
watt
you could always have the ambush charge up only when stationary
but its charge timer doesn't reset when u move while crouching
barren zephyr
yeah, you want to close in as you're crouched
misty island
If you are stationary it could half the time u need
Or if you are just moving you need the time you can sprint
brisk mesa
That seems like it could have messy implications coding-wise.
barren zephyr
crouching is used to ambush and to be harder to see
you need crouching to colse the gap until you're close enough to guarantee your ambush
brisk mesa
My proposal is legit a stat change that would take maybe 2min to do
misty island
And different action contributes to it
mental sleet
it is unlikely to happen watt, or else cerato woulve been buffed already.
barren zephyr
2min in theory
that means 24 days of coding in practice
mental sleet
they might be too busy
misty island
And caps it off as the amount of time you can sprint
barren zephyr
they are always too busy
and they can't tell us what's happening
it infuriates me so god damn much
brisk mesa
^^^
misty island
^^^^^
echo bridge
^^^
mental sleet
that and we never got the promised dev blogs past a certain month
brisk mesa
Anyways, again this would allow certain dinosaurs some really nice niche viability.
mental sleet
but what do I know over the circumstances behind those.
brisk mesa
Short ambush dinosaurs are Subgiga, Cerato, Rex and Giga, Sucho's also below average and in need of some fuckin love
echo bridge
Watts suggestion is an ok fix for ambush spam imo
brisk mesa
Imagine being a Subgiga with his very short but 1.5x mult ambush 
echo bridge
Simple and nerfs allos god tier ambush
brisk mesa
He'd be an actually useable thing
sonic socket
first thing to improve imo is fight combat system
echo bridge
First thing to improve is the code running this game
brisk mesa
^^^
barren zephyr
^^^
echo bridge
Ive seen a few rexes do that to escape me as a trike
Makes me laugh
As i gore their chest cavity repeatedly
barren zephyr
escaping trikes
Aren't trikes players complaining endlessly trike is just rdead meat?
brisk mesa
Bad rexes die to trikes all the time
barren zephyr
and you're telling me you fuck up rexes and make them run away?
echo bridge
It isnt, they're just bad or facing off against smart rexes
Or lucky rexes
Thanks to bb being a thing
barren zephyr
then what's giga about? masochism?
brisk mesa
your fuck'd
echo bridge
People who hit and run as trex deserve to die
brisk mesa
Winning as Giga is about picking when and where the fight goes down
barren zephyr
if you hesitate you die
Well fuck me I guess
barren zephyr
hit and run as rex
why?
sonic socket
playing Trex deserve to die
misty island
Rex should hit and run with giga
leaden night
@barren zephyr Hit and run means death
barren zephyr
Bill Nye why clip intensifies
misty island
I am just there like
Yall idiots lmfao
And I got told I need to play more Rex
So ya
leaden night
You have to brawl from the beginning to the end
misty island
I shall play more Rex
leaden night
misty island
That beginning to the end should be within 8bites
barren zephyr
isn't rex about "pin down and end it as quick as possible"?
misty island
Or else ur pretty much fucked
sonic socket
Playing Trex is like playing the game in novice mode
echo bridge
People think they get dunked by Rex as Giga with no consequence for Rex, but they don't remember that they max Rex's bleed in 2 hits
barren zephyr
why would you hit and run? that's the fucking opposite
echo bridge
Rex has to sit there for 10-15 mins to heal that
mental sleet
doesn't matter if you max rex's bleed in two hits if he breaks your leg.
echo bridge
But this is turning into #401464048610312195
barren zephyr
15 minutes
feels like hours
brisk mesa
back to suggestions before the blue people come
leaden night
Uh uh
echo bridge
Ambush suggestion watt made is good
misty island
Create drama
leaden night
Ambush charge up being as long as the ambush is fine and good
misty island
I like drama
WE MOVED ON FROM AMBUSH
WE DECIDED IT NOCE
Now let’s talk about kill cam
barren zephyr
no
mental sleet
watt we need to start on the damn doc 👀
misty island
Pfffffff
barren zephyr
it's just gonna make people even more salty
echo bridge
Kill cam...
misty island
Yall lame
barren zephyr
this isn't call of
echo bridge
sonic socket
u dont need a kill cam, u already can hear what happen next and it's enough
mental sleet
You will know nothing, Sloup Snow.
barren zephyr
i would like creatures to have diffrent multipliers
mental sleet
only that watt's being a lazy arse
leaden night
barren zephyr
-_-
echo bridge
Back to #401464048610312195 to talk about balance for the millionth time?
barren zephyr
basically make stego a glass cannon, like it
sage helm
Thats slower than a trike 
echo bridge
Not sure myself if that's the confirmed speed or not, but Stego is going to be slow
sage helm
Hope it has a good turn
echo bridge
It probably will since it needs it to cover itself properly
My suggestion would make it pretty balanced but idk how easily they can disable the weight calculation for a specific dinos damage output
vagrant crest
@jovial blade Ever consider just scrolling in when entering a tree line? Although a button to toggle your viewpoint would be nice
jovial blade
Doesn't work like that
The foliage is still covering your screen
Your head would still need to be out of the tree
umbral prairie
I think it might be cool to have a side camera which is next to your torso or neck facing the direction your head is facing (and maybe some other camera angles) that you can switch to with a button
and still keep the zooming we have now
sage helm
I thought more of next to your snout
umbral prairie
yeah or that
sage helm
Cause even next to torso your head would poke out and you still wouldnt be able to see
polar juniper
@brisk mesa Just for future reference, Cerato’s ambush is 8 seconds, not 6.
brisk mesa
Really?
Was pretty positive it was 6
@echo bridge It's not actually hard to make damage ignore weight.
It really isn't.
In the devkit, all attack blueprints by default have the damage formula plugged in for their attacks.
All you'd need for Stego is to remove it lol.
polar juniper
Yeah, it’s 8 for sure. Feel free to test it in a deathmatch server yourself.
brisk mesa
Aight I'll edit my post, dont wanna spread misinformation
sage helm
It used to be 6 when it was for ceratorex
brisk mesa
Yeah IK that one for sure
polar juniper
It was 6 when reworked Cerato first came out. It only got changed to 8 once he got his actual run speed in.
brisk mesa
Ah ok.
IDK all the ambush times, IK only a few by heart atm.
Sucho 10, Allo 12, Subrex 15, Dilo 12, Utah 12, Rex 6
sage helm
Im sure we all know allos 😂
brisk mesa
Subrex got that long ass ambush.
sage helm
Oh wow
brisk mesa
Allows it to catch ambushing Dilos cuz its ambush lasts another 3 sec
sage helm
Then there is the poor adilt rex
brisk mesa
I mean, not really poor honestly. Yes it's short and costs a lot of stamina, but a long ambush wouldnt serve Trex well
brisk mesa
If he had a 12 sec ambush he'd have like, no stamina at the end.
barren zephyr
makes having a short ambush less bad
brisk mesa
Furthermore Trex's turn sucks, so exploiting 12 seconds is harder.
Yeah my idea is a little nifty like that.
polar juniper
Lol I know all the ambush times by heart. Juvies included
brisk mesa
Ultimately it means Subrex has the worst ambush in Survival, and not even by a close margin: it speed ties with Dryo, so a low mult, and it would take 15 seconds crouching to get this meh af ambush
Oh sweet
hit my up in DMs then lol
polar juniper
Aight lol
polar juniper
I’m just obsessed with The Isle stats for survival dinos
brisk mesa
I am likewise, just not when it comes to ambush timers.
Used to know the typing and base stats of nearly every fully-evolved Pokemon.
echo bridge
polar juniper
Cerato bleed resist buff when
echo bridge
Spreadsheet of stats except juvis
brisk mesa
Yeah IK about this sheet, granted I had most memorized.
echo bridge
Just for other peeps, use it as reference alot
sage helm
I just wish it had the bleed res ambush timers and calculations for bleed/bite damage
echo bridge
Well bite dmg calcs are on it
polar juniper
The wiki’s got okay info on those
brisk mesa
Yikes, don't rely on the wiki.
sage helm
^
brisk mesa
Got some seriously dubious mobo jobo there
sage helm
Are the calculations on it updated?
polar juniper
Few errors here and there
sage helm
Like on how to find bleed per bite
brisk mesa
Anyways we need to veer back to #general-feedback
echo bridge
So what did you think of my stego suggestion?
echo bridge
Saw that you tagged me, never messed with the dev kit so i had no clue how stuff like that was set up
I was wondering if there would be any odd intricacies but it actually kinda works out
Make stego like 4-4.5 tons and this should work fine against apex fights
brisk mesa
Literally just removing stuff from the blueprint would give your rendition of Stego
echo bridge
Keep it light but allow its dmg to not be held back
echo bridge
From weight?
brisk mesa
No, from the damage in general
So your bleed output wouldnt scale with weight
Which is a bit of an issue.
Dealing 50 bleed to a Sauropod is the biggest yikes
echo bridge
Yeah that is true actually
brisk mesa
Now granted, it's not too hard to remedy, however pre-recode this caused delayed damage
You'd just have 2 seperate things applying whenever you attack, instead of one process.
That,s how Trex's 10% of target,s HP was handled.
echo bridge
Which causes its bite dmg to be delayed
Hmm
Yeah that would definately have to be messed with depending on how the recode changes how stats works
brisk mesa
The recode is just going to make things work smoother afaik.
echo bridge
You could probably leave bleed adjusted by weight in general, since the holes left would leave different percentages of open wounds compared to body surface area on different creatures
brisk mesa
Deathlyrage did a shitload of workarounds
echo bridge
But doing unchanged dmg to sauropods would be an issue too
brisk mesa
Eh not really?
If a Brachi has 55k HP
it doesnt give a shit Stego is doing 1.5k
XD
The bleed would be a problem
echo bridge
Yeah but that stego would hurt alot more than anything esle would
Hmm
If you were able to set exclusion principles for some creatures then it would be fine
Would have to do something like that for hypers too
Everything else tho seems ok
brisk mesa
Yeah.
echo bridge
Im thinking of refining my suggestion a bit, make it a more solid idea
Give actual stat examples and such, but i dont know how much it'll apply after the recode
elfin oyster
I feel like I got so many thumbs down on my suggestion, is Microraptor really a bad idea?
umbral prairie
you would not really do anything besides gliding around, you would have no player interaction besides gliding around together and eat nothing but tiny AI. You would not really have threats since you can climb, and while it migh sound fun I think many people will get tired of it very fast and move on playing dinos with more diverse gameplay
echo bridge
honestly pteranodon and stuff like herrera and austro could cover microraptors gameplay better than microraptor can
especially herrera
and each new model costs alot so it has to be worth making gameplay wise in order to be considered
waxen elk
Microraptor is a shitty idea
umbral prairie
I think austro might be cool to have, we'd have a low tier, mid tier and apex fisher (assuming spino will be able to fish) not sure how austro would fair against utah/dilo though
waxen elk
"but muh fli"
Pterosaurs are coming
Micro is like one third of Velociraptor's size
And unless you made him a vampire bat type of creature that grows in 5 minutes and gets food and thirst from drinking blood there is nothing going for Micro.
And again
too small
Austro and Herrera are better choices a thousand times
As for Austro vs Utah/Dilo
He would outrun them, he wouldn't fight them in a 1v1
2v1 might go in the austro's
leaden night
Why outrun when you can omega juke
Making Herrera Dryo speed with less stam or slightly slower would be fine
waxen elk
Imagine thinking Utahraptor is jukeable
leaden night
It is
waxen elk
Not really
leaden night
Yes really
waxen elk
Unless Gallimimus
leaden night
Or Dryo
waxen elk
Those two
leaden night
Herrera would need new animations anyway
waxen elk
And new stats
leaden night
Nah
leaden night
Herrera is currently at 500 weight 500hp and 50 damage with 10-ish bleed
Dryo is 450 with like 25
leaden night
Even then
echo bridge
just adjust current herreras speed and it'll be good
leaden night
Dryo dies horribly to bleed
The issue comes in the form of Utahraptor which could potentially be juked
echo bridge
nerf herreras speed but make it able to enter/make burrows
leaden night
^
echo bridge
perfect organism
leaden night
Nerf it to basically Dryo speed and make it capable of burrowing and invading them
waxen elk
tbh
leaden night
The juv Utah slayer if Utah does get burrowing
umbral prairie
Wasn't there the idea to give herrera the ability to climb trees? Or was that a fan idea?
leaden night
It was an extremely old idea
leaden night
Juv Utah is a mess
It weighs more than a fresh adult Utah at like 50% growth
Much less somehow losing over half of its mass when it grows
echo bridge
herrera would be the all but 1 terrain speedy small boi
echo bridge
for the safety of all, herrera is limited from flight
leaden night
Basically making a carnivore tutorial animal like Dryo
waxen elk
Herrerasaurus is THE scavenger
leaden night
30 to 40 minute growth
leaden night
Yes it is
blazing charm
@green echo Why would anyone pick something like Minmi over a dinosaur like Ankylosaurus, even if it is slightly faster than Anky nearly every other playable could outrun it. So by that logic, it would have nothing unique going for it.
It kinda needs some sort of unique gimick, or adaptation that could help it survive
brisk mesa
Perhaps Minmi could dig?
Just bury itself almost entirely.
That's a pretty easy gimmick, admittedly, I feel that having Gastonia would be better because it would do that + be a bleeder that also does BB
which would be a pretty terrifying combination.
Mr. scissor tail
jovial blade
Eh its bone break chance would be slim tho
Vs tier 4s and up
It would mostly be a tier 3 killer but depending on how much bleed it could get it could be a threat to the lower class tier 4s
brisk mesa
What the fuck is a tier 3 or 4?
You unofficial server people confuse me with your slang.
Progression hasn't existed in a year as a gamemode.
What's a tier 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5?
Are there more tiers?
Smfh
sage helm
Tier one are like taco and velo
tier 2 are herrera and dryo
Tier 3 are utahs pretty much lol
Tier 4 are any mid tier in official
Tier 5 is apexes
Last I have seen at least
paper oriole
pawpawsaurus would probably have more playabiity than a minmi imo but both would just be yet another walking snack
no real reason to add them right now, unless they add modified existing models as playable in the future
desert prairie
Why do so many people want to buff carno
Its near the best balanced dino in the game
sage helm
Its bite speed is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyy slow for the damage it does tbh
desert prairie
You're supposed to do strafe runs on your target
sage helm
Thats the only issue I have
desert prairie
Not sit there biting it
sage helm
yea but like at least you would be able to do 2 bites maybe at once
sage helm
and strafting runs arent even good because carno barely does bleed
desert prairie
If you dont like playing it may I suggest playing an allo?
sage helm
We like playing it which is how from playing it that we have discovered carnos bite speed is kinda bad for the damage it does strafting or not
Maybe with the velocity mechanic sure
but it doesnt have that right now
desert prairie
all im saying is dont expect anything to get buffed on the carno
Next to dibble it's one of the best balanced dinos in the game
sage helm
Best balanced doesnt mean 100% balanced theres always room for improvement. And bite speed most likely wont make carno able to face tank either way since it can barely take a hit.
yea maybe its not top priority
but suggestions are things we would like to see but are never 100% going to happen
desert prairie
Thats true
whenever modding gets added pretty sure alot of stuff will get swapped in
thats if it ever does get re-added
sacred wyvern
tbh
because of carnos slow bite speed
it aint allowed to facetank small tiers cuz they can cause u to bleed out if they are in a pack
though
if its velocity dmg 1 shots utah
then it can keep that bite speed
viral creek
Carno can absolutely facetank small teirs. If they try it then run, then chase them the WILL bleed out if they keep running.
Any small teir that facetanks carno is an idiot
inner valley
@agile dew sadly, there are lots of cool and well-made dinosaur games out there, but when it comes to games with current time animals, we're seriously lacking in games that don't suck
indigo sun
I don't think the devs would be able to develop and update a second game, especially with the stress and pressure theyre already under, though I will agree, games like this except with modern animals are severely lacking
torpid wedge
paper oriole
when the isle had functioning mods there were people who made a wolf mod, it could probably just be achieved that way with other animals
barren zephyr
I love carnos
But yeah if alt turn gonna be a thing on all servers strafing will suck with carnos
desert prairie
@smoky lintel totally off the charts suggestion but how about not playing on those servers?
unkempt tiger
Yeah i dont understand the alt turn thing cuz rexs would just rule everything and every other dino fight isnt gonna be about skill
umbral prairie
you mean rexes will rule everything when alt turn is enabled?
umbral prairie
right now, rexes are strong because of how bb works
unkempt tiger
bb?
terse oyster
Hi
unkempt tiger
For bigger dinos
umbral prairie
I don't think the current alt turn is perfect, but I think it is far better than utahs solo ass riding rexes to death. The problem with rex and alt turn is that it can break legs, and with that the other dino loses the ability ot alt turn, while the rex keeps it and can ass ride it's prey
alt turn is very realistic
also for bigger dinos
unkempt tiger
If your getting ass rided by a utah u just go against a cliff or go into a dorest
umbral prairie
just how fast bigger dinos can turn (especially giga) in this game is questionable
unkempt tiger
A pue couldnt turn on the spot
umbral prairie
well, not with it's legs floating and gliding around, but it could definitely turn without walking forward
unkempt tiger
Alt turn on every server would get rid of most the skill
umbral prairie
not really
unkempt tiger
On servers with alt turn all you see is rexs
umbral prairie
it takes much more skill to fight with alt turn on since you can't just run in from behind and win, but some dinos have a far too fast alt turn
unkempt tiger
Of they do add alt turn they gotta really balance it so everything can still kill everything
umbral prairie
but rexes are too strong on alt turn servers, but only because of their bb
everything should not be able to kill everything
definitely not
unkempt tiger
Iv seen alot of new players on alt turn servers kill pros
On non alt turn servers noobs have almost no chance againdt pros
umbral prairie
a solo utah should never be able to kill a rex unless the rex lets the utah bite it for half an hour
on no alt turn servers ass riding is way easier
unkempt tiger
Iv killed alot of rexs with utah cuz they dont know how to get them off their ass
Ass riding still needs skill/ reaction time
umbral prairie
ass riding takes way less fighting skill than tactical hunting and pack hunting (which are both things that alt turn encourages)
unkempt tiger
With alt turn theirs not much tatics
On non alt turn they need to attack from different places
umbral prairie
I know current alt turn is not perfect but from my experience it takes much more skill and tactics to play on alt turn servers than on non alt turn servers. Face tanking is more common on alt turn servers because some people don't know how to play against people using alt turn or because of people turning in place forever, but I still think it is better to have than no alt turn and constant ass riding. You might have made different experiences or just a different opinion, I can't change that.
It doesn't make much sense to further discuss this
misty island
Who cares about non alturn serves they are gonna be gone in a bit
Confirmed multiple times
Besides
It is a mechanic
A game mechanic to prevent certain in game behaviour from happening before a better system is developed
Disabling it is actually somewhat exploiting the game
But since it is an optional option on server listings
So
Meh
misty island
It’s not using a game feature lmfao did you read the entire thing
It’s avoiding a game feature
umbral prairie
they're saying the disabling option is a game feature
umbral prairie
and it is not really exploiting the game, but since the combat is balanced based off of alt turn combat (not really, but it is supposed to be) it is definitely throwing things off balance if you disable alt turn (they're already not really balanced, but still)
umbral prairie
I can't explain well
plus I have trouble expressing myself in english
so some things I write make few sense
or they're just dumb thoughts in general
jovial blade
Look, the no alt turn is more risky and can take more skill you have to watch out for ambushes and time attacks.
In alt turn you can just 360 around and face tank it's pretty absurd
What I would like is using alt turn if I'm at the edge of a cliff
Not alt turn to a dino and face tank
white torrent
I hate alt turn lol
That’s why I almost never play on servers that allow it
Unless if it’s a DM. I might stay then
misty island
I am not talking about how practical it is in the game and how it should be better
I do enjoy no alt turn servers
But I am saying the ethnicity of alt turn disabled servers
The disabling of alt turn is gonna disappear
It’s a fact
And hence using a game feature that has been confirmed to disappear is like borderline exploitation
white torrent
I know dondi said so. Which is fucking stupid.
jovial blade
Well tbh
We need alt turn for collision
We will get stuck on dinos with no alt turn
white torrent
Big carni’s and herbi’s
jovial blade
It will be like running into a tree
white torrent
I mean- no)
jovial blade
So I understand having to make alt turn permanent when collision comes in
white torrent
If you get in close you probably have the intentions of doing something to whatever you are crashing into
white torrent
This alps forced carno’s to hunt smaller prey now, which is greatttt
misty island
If it has a stepping animation it’s gonna be way better
white torrent
No more hunting creato’s
I don’t care what animation they give it, I just hope the feature disappears in the future
And that don doesn’t do some dumbshit and make EVERYONE have to use it
It’s like the rex with him. Don may like it, he may like it very much. But there are a lot of people that absolutely despise it.
white torrent
HAHAH
misty island
You can hate it but it doesn’t give u the right to attack him
white torrent
Make a game without a team, without money
white torrent
When did I attack him? 😂
You act like I’m the first person to ever bash him for something
misty island
Na and u won’t be the last
white torrent
Like no one else was mad when the rex got the most unfair speed advantage against the already shit giga