more than Hypos even
#general-feedback-discussion
sacred wyvern
brisk mesa
4min isn't really enough to set it out from the crowd, but 7min is ridiculous
barren zephyr
galli is 10kms faster
brisk mesa
No.
sacred wyvern
no
thorny lynx
2:30 is garbage
brisk mesa
Dilo doesn't need anything.
sacred wyvern
dilo is night time boi
barren zephyr
dilo is fine
brisk mesa
and trot speed
thorny lynx
How does uh
brisk mesa
I've escaped Allos with ease
sacred wyvern
have u escaped
thorny lynx
4:30 sound for cerrato
sacred wyvern
hypos (hypo giga doesnt count)
brisk mesa
That would be good enough.
As Carno I have, by sackrificing my packmates
I also did as Juvi Utah
sacred wyvern
wow s0d
brisk mesa
Cuz it's so small
thorny lynx
Carno has a lower attack speed now uwu
sacred wyvern
never team with u o3o3o3o
brisk mesa
But that's not relevant to #general-feedback
thorny lynx
Stupid body animations
They looks so dumb
Ever seen a sprinting rex using f call?
Anyway, Carno feels like it has more delay than it should
I'm going to note that
barren zephyr
5min stam sounds good
sacred wyvern
so cerato turning into a magna rex?
barren zephyr
tbh what cera needs first is better animations lmao
barren zephyr
sub rex has good animations
thorny lynx
Allo needs better animations
The bite is pathetic, the 3 call is meh, and the drinking animation looks so lazy
I miss allo used to roar with its mouth open super wide.
sacred wyvern
i love acro 3 roar
thorny lynx
I miss old rex 3 roar
Stomp in your face and lose his shit
Feels like this rex needs to prepare for a 3 call >>
Also, why does Rex sound like he breathes in and out before he broadcasts
You don't breathe out when you're about to yell
barren zephyr
ceras run looks awful
sacred wyvern
its like a very determined run
thorny lynx
I love sub rex's new sounds
thorny lynx
Could use more 2 call variation
sacred wyvern
btw
umbral prairie
cera trot looks alright from the side but very weird from behind
thorny lynx
Why couldn't we have gotten a shorter and rehashed version of the old broadcast
barren zephyr
hate the fact rex shows of its small arms in the 3 call. i found that gross
thorny lynx
It did that in the old 3 call in the very last part
umbral prairie
I think the new calls would be ok if they had some 'oomf' to them, right now they're just too screechy imo
sacred wyvern
have u guys heard magna rexes 4 call
thorny lynx
Hypo carno sounds like old sub carno when it broadcasts
umbral prairie
the last time I saw magna it still had hyper rex sounds
sacred wyvern
magnas 4 call is so odd
thorny lynx
Like, the 4 call is nice
sacred wyvern
skip to 1:48 in video
thorny lynx
Rex's 2 call and 4 call don't match its 1 and 3 call
They sound like two different creatures. I wish we could have had a baby version of hypo rex instead. More vocalization and rumble, less ree
umbral prairie
the echo on magna rex is cool
thorny lynx
How can I explain it
Rex's broadcast and threaten does not sound like it comes from nature
It sounds more
Idk. I just want an actual vocalization. Giga calls make rex sound pathetic. Especially 3 call.
umbral prairie
I don't expect them to make new sounds or put the old ones back again, but it would be nice if they changed the current ones a bit to sound more natural and with some more rumbly sounds
giga 3 call is cool, plus giga showing it's arms looks less dumb
thorny lynx
It also does this little nod at the enc
sacred wyvern
idk giga doesnt sound that scary
thorny lynx
It's loud as hell and crackles my headphones
sacred wyvern
allos cool
thorny lynx
Allo sounds like sandpaper to me
sacred wyvern
but acro best
thorny lynx
Like its throat is made of sandpaper. Sucho, too.
Choochooooo
You know
Hypo rex actually sounds similar to acro
In some ways
umbral prairie
hyper rex reminds me of a train somehow
sacred wyvern
ikr
but
hypo spino works better
base speed is faster
ambush is somehow slower
thorny lynx
I really think utahs don't need much bleed at all, not with how much damage they do now and their new weight buff
umbral prairie
who wants utah to do much bleed
or do they already have it and you want it lowered (idk utah stats)
thorny lynx
Utahs already have a lot going for them. An ambush faster than a carno's sprint for 12 seconds, they can jump, they are dispensable, easy to grow...
umbral prairie
I think we're supposed to talk about feedback in isle-discussion
torpid wedge
^
barren zephyr
i would like some fucked up hunger on my small carnis
it would be more rewarding to find and kill for food imo
sacred wyvern
its actually the strongest
pulsar lake
Sucho is strongest
sacred wyvern
nope
pulsar lake
'-'
unborn quail
Sub giga stat wise is the strongest
unborn quail
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sage helm
Lol
unborn quail
Most likely because it doesn't get said strength until later in it's life, and has a huge stat jump in paticular
The growth is a tad bugged for it
jovial blade
You have to make it far in growth
And sub giga takes longer then sub rex
And sub giga is slow as fuck
Not that good of stam
Loud as shit
Shit turnning
thorny lynx
Sub giga is a unit at absolute max
sacred wyvern
ehyy
carnos artnt that big of dickss
juz cus i kfs utahs all day
they are pests
gotta clean em out somehow o3o
random ore
ye i agree with fluff small and fast dinos should have higher hunger decay
since the fast ones are running more they require more energy or food
thorny lynx
@unborn quail Sucho has 20 bleed? Since when? I thought it already had 10.
unborn quail
It was snuck in a while back
thorny lynx
Well...
That's dumb
those teeth are meant for gripping fish, not bleeding things out. Besides, it's slow, so how is it gonna run away to utilize the bleed mechanic?
I completely agree. Knock that back to ten. Sucho doesn't need it. Cerato needs more bleed.
Like, 15 and it's 👌
violet magnet
if sucho gets decent bleed/damage on prey then the prey won't be able to run away for risk of taking more damage/bleeding out
if it stands in place and alt turns to mitigate bleed/damage per minute, then the sucho doesn't need to run after it
limpid dove
sucho could use a fair balance of bleed. sure, its teeth are meant for gripping fish, but in a fighting situation, it should have enough bleed to defend itself. kind of like utah bleed amount. utah has a good amount of bleed for what it is, enough to tire prey alongside regular attacks.
utah with enough bites can actually hit three bleed drops
thorny lynx
Utah has too much bleed
polar juniper
I think it was mentioned to be a placeholder until pounce is in.
limpid dove
well, for sucho, whatever utah has now would be a good fit for sucho
coarse shell
@brazen wolf why?
ocean vortex
@neon compass Utah can swim faster only for a few seconds. Sucho still swims faster in the long run. No need to change that
HOWEVER...
I would love a submerging sucho
neon compass
Yeepers
I just saw the swimming stuff and previews of how fast all the animals go in water.
Saw that around 3-4 animals were faster sprinting into the water.
I got scared for a second.
ocean vortex
Sprinting only gives you around a 5 second speed buff in water
neon compass
Also the legs kinda go into the sucho in the swim animation
ocean vortex
Then it expires
neon compass
Looks like a banana
ocean vortex
Banana boat
neon compass
Ofc ofc
neon compass
Hi
ocean vortex
A while back, there was a test animation for a Sucho swimming down to the bottom of a pond
So its still very possible
ocean vortex
Yes
neon compass
eek
ocean vortex
No
neon compass
o
neon compass
brb
ocean vortex
If you havent heard, Deino will be an even more profficient water ambusher
@limpid dove you'll be surprised how quiet some big animals can be
Elephants are the exact same size as triceratops and yet they tread softly
They dont go BOOM BOOM BOOM as they walk
Gameplay perspective - this is also not very good
Loud noises give a lot of privacy away
limpid dove
but the thud would be nice
the footsteps kind of need updated anyways, for all things
they're outdated
ocean vortex
Outdated but usable
limpid dove
usable sure but could be tweaked
might as well do it if theyre adding/updating footstep sounds for different floor materials like sand, metal, wood, etc. its just the default grass footstep that could use a chang
change*
barren zephyr
@serene hull dondi just mentioned that his working on it on the guest stream yesterday
serene hull
nice
spiral pond
Levi wdym that you dont like stepping on thrash bags as something like rex ? 
dreamy basin
To balance shant. when the time comes. give it a tail attack, and make it about the speed of giga or rex
jovial blade
Bruh
@pulsar lake
That's the aspect of a survival game
Maybe the game is too scary for you
spiral pond
Thats just mean
barren zephyr
NO!!!
spiral pond
I mean, sometimes my head hurts from the stomps
pulsar lake
Ik it's a suvival but it's so heavy
And I love this game. It not scaried me, it's just unconfortable to have a heavy sound producte by ourselves
Idk why I should stop to play it
leaden night
Play a smaller animal because solely because the footsteps produced by larger ones tend to be overly loud for no reason
Para's run is borderline earrape
It's fine if it's someone else playing Para but there's no reason for it to be that loud to yourself
jovial blade
It's not to me
But if you feel strongly that it's a problem
Play something smaller
Or turn your volume down
I rather know how loud I am so i know what others hear so i can ambush easier and knowing how loud i am
If I was a ninja but loud af for others I'd give away my position so many times forgetting how loud I am
torpid wedge
i don’t think “turn volume down” or “play smaller dinos” is a response to loud as fuck footsteps
it’s not really helpful at all
if you turn your volume down you can’t hear other calls as well and “play smaller dinos” well shit what if you really like the gameplay even if the footsteps are annoying?
jovial blade
I don't see it as a big problem
But I guess the taller your dino is the lower the sound should be?
So like make the sounds more locational and louder the closer you are I guess
sage helm
Right now they sound quieter if you zoom in which is weird
pulsar lake
@broken swift and @fathom canopy it's here for discussion
broken swift
sorry deleted my replies.
broken swift
naw if you are a utah with somewhat of a brain, you kill a packy with patience.
spiral pond
all pachy needs is getting slowed to dilo speed, and big buff to bleed res
broken swift
i guess fritza always play with a big herd in her back. dont think he/she knows how to 1v1 a good utah.
the wierd attack on pachy is extremely frustrating when you play with a bit of ping.
sage helm
Ugh more troll suggestions
broken swift
lower its speed would make it obsolete.
well the game is still Beta. so why not make changes and make the dinos unique and fun to play,. and somewhat viable?
im a big carnivore player. but i feel honestly sad for the herbivores.
sage helm
Not me
spiral pond
you cant give it better bleed res with its current speed
sage helm
Getting kosed by herbis constantly
spiral pond
since it will chase down dilos
sage helm
Yea
broken swift
a good diloplayer chose its fights. ambush, patience, bleed. dead pachy. god i have killed so many pachys as dilo and never lost a dilo to one
i guess carnivoreplayers dont like to risk too much. So they should nerf the maia too then so they cant catch dilos? maias got great tanky bodys
sage helm
Maias just need slower growth
broken swift
or simply make all herbis AIs
spiral pond
maia is supposed to speedy
pachy not so much
pachy should destroy dilos and utahs in 1v1
broken swift
well its a game now. and gotta think about balance.
spiral pond
make pachy take pretty much no dmg from bleed and buff bleed heal and make it dilo speed
broken swift
right now, 2 bites enough to finish a chasing pachy
as a dilo
you zigzag as a dilo and no way he hit you with that stupid delayed attack
limpid dove
@lunar escarp if you listen closely you can usually hear them taking damage, they'll make a grunting noise when they're hit. you can also visually check for scars or blood if you're a bleeder
lunar escarp
Yeah but its hard to determine most times unless you have headphones on but ill try and listen for the grunting more
limpid dove
I dont use headphones but I can hear the sounds just fine
you can adjust your volume and increase it and change it to epic audio, perhaps that'll clear it up
wintry cipher
Idea: swap all of pachy and maias stats except for speed
(half joking but -seriously)
jovial blade
Bruh
You got too much stuff in the suggestion
I disagree with some but some sound alright
So all I can do is thumbs down the whole thing
If it's in 1 paragraph
umbral prairie
I hope they will add some sort of momentum mechanics in general at some point, where everything can theoretically ram and throw things to the ground by running into them, but I think that would be very difficult to do since the weight and speed difference of both creatures and the angle in which the ramming creature is hitting the other one affect it.
things like carno and pachy could be better at ramming because of their speed and how they are built, but idk if things like that are even possible to do without having tons of inaccuracies and bugs
of course if they somehow manage to make some mechanics like that it could also be a thing when biting, so for example a rex could ambush a para, bite it's neck and throw it to the ground, almost insta killing it, but it should be very hard to do since it would be way too strong if you could do it everytime
restive kelp
Idk where this carno ramming idea is coming from
sage helm
@jovial blade feel free to take any of my ideas and turn it into your own 😄
It was a lot yea but I kinda thought of it in like 2 seconds and I dont want all of them added
Just one or another
umbral prairie
or split up the different ideas into different messages
jovial blade
Broke
I dont see speed as just the determining factor of impact
Also the bone thing
I dont thin carno could withstand pressure
Of a head attack
Herbs with horns or domes like pachy
They can absorb impact
Carno would break its skull
Using its head as a ram
jovial blade
I agree with the body ramming though
I wonder if it can make them slip ?
Will it just be damage or to get your prey to trip
umbral prairie
what a nice suggestion catburger xD
jovial blade
Lol yeah
In ambush
Dont they have it pointing straight
Looks weird
When they're crouching
versed wolf
they also need feathers but arent those planned?
blazing charm
It's a video game, who cares about accuracy?
umbral prairie
a feather system has been planned for years, but idk if utah will get em
blazing charm
But yes, as far as I know accuracy is still planned.
jovial blade
Why wouldn't you care about accuracy
We want to play dinosaurs
Not modified dinosaurs
I rather the closes to dinosaur then the furthest
We have no chance of seeing them inrl
sage helm
Yea I will edit the suggestion later monik thanks for the feeback 😃
umbral prairie
of course they should somehow resemble their real life counterpart, but they are not supposed to be real dinosaurs, just recreations
jovial blade
Its understandable
For the game to progress
It is going to shift from being accurate
next nexus
I'm sorry this game about dinosaurs from multiple time periods living in modern times versus humans is not accurate enough for you
blazing charm
How the "Utahraptor" arms fucked anyway?
jovial blade
Lemur
blazing charm
They don't face forward like the Jurassic Park ones, do they?
next nexus
you're missing the point mate
jovial blade
I'm not
umbral prairie
I would love feathered utah, but if the devs decide that it will stay how it is it is fine imo, it looks ok without feathers (although it would be much better with feathers)
blazing charm
So wait, it's okay to be "inaccurate" in some areas but not in others?
jovial blade
You're over exaggerating that I want it completely perfect
barren zephyr
@versed wolf The hell do you mean the wrists are broken no they're not
jovial blade
Its obviously not ever going to be accurate with hypos
And different time period dinos
umbral prairie
because the hands are not facing the same direction as the lower arm
jovial blade
So it's nice atleast to see semi accurate dinosaurs
Also Utah juv sits on a tilt @umbral prairie
Its heels are like facing up
Lol
versed wolf
yeah but accuracy is still very important, theres very little accurate dinosaurs in media
VERY little
theres saurian, and one documentary i saw
they already did great with the trikes and some others
barren zephyr
If you wan't accurate dinosaurs play Saurian
barren zephyr
Why are you complaining about it then?
versed wolf
i was just nitpicking the wrists
lament thorn
why tho
barren zephyr
^
versed wolf
because its so close to being accurate that i just wanted to point it out
umbral prairie
saurian tries to make it as accurate as possible and their dinos are supposed to be 'real' dinos, the dinos in TI are recreated, they should still somehow represent their real life counterpart but they don't need to be exactly as them
versed wolf
why are you so upset with this
lament thorn
why were you nitpicking
versed wolf
idk why not
blazing charm
why not
So you're just nitpicking for the sake of it?
viral creek
The wrists look fine to me
At least their not those weird... zombie raptor wrists in JP
barren zephyr
Also you do know that birds can kinda get that movement with their wrists as seen on The Isle Utahraptor
next nexus
so wait, now they are fine? what exactly is wrong with them then
versed wolf
they arent exactly right
theyre still pointed a little wrong but not as bad
never said they were 100%
lament thorn
next nexus
you must be fun at parties
versed wolf
well i wasnt very rude about it
barren zephyr
Why are you complaining about something so minor there is no point to doing except to show off your "Paleo Knowledge"
umbral prairie
I mean many birds can bend their wrists like this, imo the utahraptor arms are about in this position aswell, probably even a little less bent. Not saying everything a bird can with it's very flight adapted arms/wings is what raptors could do, but I think the utah arms are ok like they are now
versed wolf
i wasnt trying to do that i just wanted to point it out for the sake of accuracy i mean the game does great with that so far might as well go all the way
oh huh
all art i see have the wrists perfectly flat out
leaden night
Because that's the normal position
blazing charm
You can't be sure about these kind of thing, in the end we can only depict off of what we know, plus sometimes you need a bit of creative liscence.
jovial blade
As long as it's not derpy
versed wolf
yeah paleoart can be boring sometimes
all we have is fossils yknow
could have a lot of fun with things
especially megaladon, people just make it a big great white. all we have is the jaw
jovial blade
Imagine if orcas weren't alive and we just had the skeleton
They would make the orca look weird
jovial blade
Yes but you never know what it actually looked like
You can only think
It might look like this
umbral prairie
better boring paleoart than stuff like this xD
umbral prairie
just an overexaggerated example of weird recreations
umbral prairie
stop spamming your vid in channels for other things
just put it in #videos-and-streams
edgy furnace
@sweet kestrel telling people to check out your videos in unrelated chats is a good way to get people not to check out your videos
shell willow
@thorny lynx a day late, but, dilo was designed to be able to wait out an entire day cycle without eating, so they can hunt at their best during the night
From my experience, I can rarely go any longer than 1 ingame day and night without food
paper oriole
just because succ is aquatic doesnt change the fact that rain blocks the flow of scent on land lol
misty island
@limpid dove like you would need to track things with q when ur in water while ur mostly hunting like a croc
limpid dove
fish, younger fishers, possible austro ai, etc
unborn quail
@thorny lynx Dilo's health is lower to better balance it out with Utah
sage helm
^
thorny lynx
But utah got its damage buffed
And a health buff
Yeah, Dilo got damage buff and a bunch of other things
leaden night
Utah never got a health buff
leaden night
En bleed
thorny lynx
So, yeah
Giving Dilo 150 more health wouldn't hurt
After Utah got 75 more damage, 10 more bleed and 200 more weight.
misty island
It’s not only about how they alone preform
What about mid tiers after dilos and Utah has the buff u mentioned
Dibbles and trike would be shit on even more
If Utah has more bleed and dmg
And all juvis would die on sight if dilo and Utah get that buff u mentioned
150 is not much by states
misty island
But if we talk about a juvi Rex being protected by subs or adults
It would just be one more bite from the sub
jovial blade
That would be annoying af if dilos didn't get 1 shot lol
misty island
But that would be some what like an extra cycle of assault
jovial blade
Literally would make defending juvs so much harder
unborn quail
Dilo and Utah are supposed to be a relatively close 50/50, and currently it is
Don't fix it if it isn't broken
misty island
So it’s not really only about utah and dilos when u try to balance the two of them
So unless u ve consider everything else
It would t really work by just buffing or nerfing the two of them
jovial blade
Why are you even comparing them
You should look at the actual dino
Just because another dino got buffs
doesn't mean the other needs it
misty island
Cus dilo/dryo wants to balance them out
jovial blade
Dilo doesn't need buff
misty island
Between their fights
I know pffff
I am trying to explain why it doesn’t
Not giving a brute answer that it doesn’t
thorny lynx
Almost all the other carnis have hp equivalent to their mass
Dilo doesn't, and Rex doesn't, the latter for obvious reasons
5.8 tons just doesn't feel right for rex...
misty island
Rex could grow to 8 tons apparently
unborn quail
With how our current combat system works it's the only option
jovial blade
Yep
misty island
But not the point
thorny lynx
over 9 tons
unborn quail
It caps out at 8tons
jovial blade
Don't make them bring in sue or scotty XD
misty island
Well
unborn quail
Completely untouchable
thorny lynx
If we decreased Rex's damage
unborn quail
Fluff
misty island
You won’t have to touch them
unborn quail
That's not the point
misty island
They would die
thorny lynx
and increased Trike's damage
unborn quail
Mass impacts the damage other animals do to you too
thorny lynx
I know
jovial blade
it's not untouchable
unborn quail
And Allo and sucho already need 40+ hits to kill a rex
thorny lynx
But why should a single utah be able to juke a rex by biting its legs to death\
unborn quail
Alt turn, Locational damage, Collision
jovial blade
OR
thorny lynx
I hope trample damage comes soon for apexes when they run
misty island
I hope not
thorny lynx
Only when running
misty island
I don’t want to trample my own baby
unborn quail
There's absolutely no point in touching Apexes weight stats right now with how our current combat system works
thorny lynx
Then don't run near your baby
misty island
My baby are already stupid enough to walk off cliffs
unborn quail
If and when it becomes less dependent on weight, Then stuff can be adjusted to 'realistic weights'
misty island
LIFE IS ALREADY HARD
jovial blade
when im right there
misty island
But what is the point of weight if it’s not relevant to the game mechanism
unborn quail
^
Weight impacting damage dealt/taken is too flawed for it too persist into our combat system
mental sleet
how so ?
unborn quail
It basically gives the green light for anything short of an apex to get the big old 'Fuck you' when it comes to weight.
Apexes are rendered nearly invulnerable due to the way it scales between one another. As seen with the time to kill between Apexes and Mid tiers, mainly Sucho. (Rex and Giga only need three hits to kill a sucho, while sucho needing 30+ to even come close) Granted we still have no Idea how this system will interact with LD, it still comes to stand that having everything being based around weight isn't the most optimal balancing feature for everything combat wise, going forward that is.
mental sleet
Thing is, if you were to remove weight-based combat in exchange for locational damage, locational damage wouldn't work.
You need both something that affects damage from smaller dinosaurs to bigger ones in order to not make the locational damage system a mess.
Since it is reasonable to say that it would be hell to add ''species-specific damage reduction''
while the impact of weight on combat may be reduced, it, or a variant, should stick around.
thorny lynx
question
Are the devtest tiles to scale because
According to those, rexes are like... 27 feet
maybe 28
unborn quail
Sticking around to help limit the ability smaller animals can have on Significantly larger animals is still a reasonable thing, Sorry if it sounded like I was saying the opposite, In a better worded way, I'm basically trying to say that Weight shouldn't have nearly as much as role it does when it comes down to how much it impacts damage dealt/taken. I'd personally rather weight take control of more 'passive' parts of combat, i.e collision, being able to knock things down(if plausible), hell maybe even stamina drain on other creatures if bite latching becomes a thing.
TL:DR, Will agree that a version of it should stick around to help balance Locational damage, but the amount it impacts combat should be taken down a peg and rerouted into a more passive position in combat
misty island
Okay I ve got only one question
Why are T. rex gigas or trike called apex
Whiles not allos or succo in this game
unborn quail
Largest animals in the game (standard dinosaurs)
usually the top predators, aside from trike
misty island
No it’s because they are supposed to be kings and queens in the specific eco system they are in
unborn quail
I.E being the 'Apex of the island'
misty island
So if a mid tier can gang up on them and kill them with like 10 hits
What makes them the apex of the island?
Sheer size and long hour growth?
misty island
Then buffing the mid tier would not fit in that goal
unborn quail
Buffing the mid tiers wasn't even mentioned.
misty island
Nerfing weight system —> nerfing heavy Dinos —> apex —> buffing lighter dinos
So as a result
Buffing mid tier
If my logic is wrong or missing smthing please enlighten me
unborn quail
The idea of limiting the amount of the combat system weight impacts is centered around Locational damage being in affect.
So yes, while Mid tiers aren't being hit so heavily with the insane damage buffs Apexes get from our current system, They still have to struggle with getting to High damage areas on the body
misty island
Well what you said make sense
They way I see tho about the weight system tho
Is relevant to their size
unborn quail
I mean, it can still be relevant to their size, especially when it comes down to Utah/Dilo and Apexes. That much is kinda of an obvious factor
misty island
I mean if you think about it
Would a allo really survive a bit from T. rex in the torsos
All the ribs will be shattered and pieces through its organs
unborn quail
That comes down more so to Locational damage, Not really weight.
And to be fair, thinking that way
Rex can/could probably do that to practically everything given the chance
Because honestly, Do you think even a Giga would be capable of surviving that?
misty island
It would depends if Rex can actually open its jaws big enough to clip the entire body
Or just managed to bit onto a chunk of flesh
But no
What I am trying to say is
Like I said we need to wait for the new system to come out
And only then we can suggest more production suggestions
Otherwise it doesn’t really mean anything
Maybe they ve already consider everything we discussed here and more
So we don’t know
unborn quail
Wasn't really centered around a suggestion, this all really started over someone wanting rex to be 8 tons and it being explained why that's a bad idea with the current system/not changing everything else
misty island
Oh pfff
We all know that
Usually I would just say
It’s a video game
So
It has been balanced
There u go
misty island
Na Rex are good where they are
Cus they linked it to the combat system if they do buff the weight they will just nerf the biteforce
Doesn’t matter really
unborn quail
Mid tiers would need adjustments as well to compensate for a marginal buff in rexes mass too
As again, they already so meniscal damage to them as is
misty island
I suspect they will balance carmera next
They want surapod in gam e
Locational dmg is literally built for giants liek them
unborn quail
Mhm, animals like Camara, Stego, even trike for that matter need Locational damage in comparison to everything else
misty island
Well ya
unborn quail
Camara in particular needs its specific predators abilities to exist for it to be a completely viable food source as well
misty island
Well allos gigas bleed type of Dino I suspect
viral creek
@neon compass Prog won't be back as an official gamemode, but if you have the paitence. Somebody is bound to make a progression mod when dev kit comes out.
neon compass
Bet
umbral prairie
@teal grotto how is the lack of herbi food the only reason for the high carni population, or even a reason for that at all
I always have multiple bushes in scent range as herbi
lime olive
If you sit at a lake then you eventually gonna eat all the food.. Just move around and you'll never have a shortage of food. Ever.
rotund tartan
@thorny lynx I 100% agree with what you stated, but as a main utah player, if that will be added I would like it to be added at the same time with the pounce and also the slashing of the claws of the utah while on riding you like a little ponny.
viral creek
@rotund tartan The ping displayed on your performance stats is false. (Will be fixed)
To see your actual ping, join a group, go to your character menu, go to the group section. Your actual ping is much lower.
surreal rune
Not sure if someone has said this yet, but whatever. I think the best way to balance a hypo dino is once it is achieved, you have the hypo for a limited time before it dies from:
Hypo-Cardiac Arrest/Heart failure due to over exhaustion
Neuro-Brain failure due to over use of the brain
Even though having them not go through a timed demise might be your plan, The Isle is more geared towards horror survival that is player controlled. Even a Rex can be scared, although they tend to more annoyed than anything else. Please consider this as a balance to the Hypo Dinos.
Oops wrong chat
viral creek
why haven't I had a brain failure yet
wintry cipher
Ahypos hunger only lasts around 30-45 minutes. So once they are out of food they will starve.
It's a kill switch for an Apex heavy ecosystem given everything else can hide with relative ease
Not sure on neuros purpose, but it is supposedly the physically weakest of the strains and as such vulnerable to an organised group
sick haven
strains are already going to have limiters though
like hypos have the hunger, neuros will have a high water dependency
we don't know what the tisso limiter will be
lilac swallow
Neuros having hight water dependency has never been said by any developer but ok
mental sleet
@hot inlet post here
hot inlet
ah oki ^^
mental sleet
@weak musk already planned something of the sort
weak musk
Good good
hot inlet
well Male Dinos have one purpose right now just fending off "predators"
weak musk
pretty cool
Well, I can defend as a female as well lol you don't need to be male for that XD
weak musk
That's why you avoid stuff that you can't kill haha
mental sleet
@humble tendon people who work on hypo models are not the ones who program the game
hot inlet
try to avoid stuff like a rex or giga or acro on an server where from 150 ppl are like 120 apexes XD
weak musk
I have no issues surviving and I play on IGParadise.
Which has 200 slots and mega packs of apexes.
hot inlet
but whers the fun when you run from everything XDD
the fun starts when a lone dibble fights 4 allos and still wins XD
sage helm
That aint fun for the allos
glossy tangle
@mental sleet: what's wrong with Herrera in survival, it'd be so fun but it's a balanced dinosaur (fast but not too strong)
mental sleet
he didn't suggest anything special for it that would make it not a stat bot.
glossy tangle
???
sage helm
Climbing trees
glossy tangle
that would be fun
mental sleet
what use would that have ?
glossy tangle
it could be an egg stealer dinosaur
mental sleet
you are obvious in the tree
sage helm
Not getting eaten?
glossy tangle
yeah
mental sleet
that's a defense mechanism, doesn't add anything else to the animal.
glossy tangle
it could be able to steal eggs
mental sleet
velo does that
glossy tangle
it does?
mental sleet
or well, all smaller carnivores will be able to do that.
glossy tangle
how?
sage helm
Kinda like how pouncing is an attack mech and doesnt add to the dino much
Other than attacks
glossy tangle
yep it sure does
sage helm
And so would climbing a tree
glossy tangle
yeah
sage helm
A) better view
B) way to escape
glossy tangle
it could climb trees and then pounce on it's prey
mental sleet
Still don't buy it.
glossy tangle
a combination of pounce and tree climbing would be devastating
south flower
With the way the herra is built physically, I don’t see it climbing trees.
south flower
Meh true
mental sleet
its never valid.
valid ridge
breaking legs while jumping off trees
glossy tangle
I've seen herreras kill stegos
mental sleet
glossy tangle
so no juvies aren't all it can hunt
glossy tangle
their just the easiest thing to hunt
mental sleet
or the stego was a juvenile
still doesn't matter, a utahraptor can kill a rex in certain conditions
doesn't make utah unique.
all tree climbing does is serve as a defense mechanism and utility, outside of forests that is about as useful as nothing.
also it either has to cost stamina to maintain
thus making it worthless
or it will make herrera invulnerable to attack in forests
glossy tangle
with stego you just stay infront
south flower
Anything (almost) can hunt anything else in game if they have enough patience and are actually good; it would be difficult for smaller predators to hunt larger herbivores/carnivores though.
Well, usually anyway
glossy tangle
and tree climbing doesn't have to just be a defence
it could be used together with the pounce ability to hide in a tree then pounce on unsuspecting prey
a bit like a snake
viral creek
Herrera could have the role of an really easy to grow, minimal stress animal with most of his abilities/stats going into mobility. (Really good turn rate, decent speed, jumping, tree climbing, can invade dryo burrows.)
He can only hunt juveniles and ai alone, but in packs he can hunt dios, utahs, etc.
He could take around an hour to get to full adult
mental sleet
how would herrera hunt utahs, being a slower animal (it won't keep its speed for survival) or dilo ?
viral creek
In packs.
mental sleet
Utah is just better in that scenario.
viral creek
Having a far superior turn rate
glossy tangle
Herrera is the fastest in game
viral creek
I'm talking several herreras v 1 utah.
mental sleet
herrera has sandbox stats
viral creek
I don't want him to keep his current speed
mental sleet
sandbox dinosaurs often get nerfed in the translation onto survival.
herrera will not keep its current stats.
glossy tangle
it has those stats because that's what it had in real life most likely
barren zephyr
unless it needs em
viral creek
I want him to be slightly slower than dryo, but with absolute god turn rate, and other evasive abilities like tree climbing
barren zephyr
or is a part of their core playstyle
viral creek
His low growth time alone would be a reason to play him
glossy tangle
the developers but a lot of work into the isle
there seems to be a pattern with survival dinosaurs, whatever you can't out damage, you run faster than it or have a better turning circle
so Herrera would most likely keep it's amazing speed
viral creek
No
Let's not forget dryo exists.
We don't want to exterminate them by adding a hyperspeed predator that overpowers them, and has an already decent turn rate.
glossy tangle
neither
south flower
But I’m not against Dryo burrows being left behind the other smaller predators using them
Like some weasels do
glossy tangle
I don't feel like burrowing for Herrera would be good but it's an idea
please @ me from now on so I know you're talking to me
jolly willow
Herrera would be a burrow invader
thats about it really
climbing trees, i guess.
not much more to be done with it
barren zephyr
make herrera invalidate dryo? a problem?
dryo is just a smol galli
big fact
herra has speed while dryo has stamina lmao
its a cheetah v gazzele dynamic
jolly willow
yea
hot inlet
well if we take (real) herrera ...it was most likely the same size like an utha
hot inlet
theyr not sure 3 to 6 m so ... when it was ryl 6 m it was almost as big as utha
sage helm
Yea
waxen elk
jolly willow
plucky night
Ppl actually suggesting bugs to be fixed. WHAT A SUGGESTION
jolly willow
well youre not exactly explaining your issue
yes, teleporting
but how are you sure its not from your ping/connection?
also.. yknow
put it into #401465476661641217
sage helm
Besides ping isnt always game related and I never experience anything that bad. You may want to make sure its not your location 🤷
lime olive
@humble tendon are you sure it’s not just you? For ping issues.
And “Please fix game” doesn’t really suggest any real idea on how to fix the problems you are having.
sage helm
^
If its so easy couldnt you do it yourself too?
The hypos and stuff they are adding are part of the games main core
lime olive
Funny enough, calling devs idiots for adding stuff to their game is kinda counter-productive
“Stop adding stuff, but update your game more”
sage helm
Thats why there has been concepts of hypos since the beginning of the game
Exactly darron
I dpnt think anyone even posted "lol" to the suggestion in the first place
south flower
They’re not even suggestions, they’re insulting the devs by calling them idiots and telling them to not work on the things they plan to be huge for The Isle. Not to mention it takes money to build these hypos and such, and just dropping them would be a huge waste of money.
😂 Truuee
But yeah, allo, in all seriousness just ask for help in the bug reports. It may be your location, PC, or another problem because not everyone is having the same issue as you.
Like the previous people here said
blazing charm
@humble tendon Code rework my dude, they're working on it.
vestal rune
I love how people think that all the devs just constantly work on hypo and nothing else
and not that it's a very occasional past time for the devs where there's low priority things to do
humble tendon
if you experience it and die for 4 times to same bug u ll think like that
vestal rune
no
humble tendon
so idc ur thing bro
vestal rune
I'll just think it's a buggy game and needs optimizing
sage helm
Dude
vestal rune
and then I'd look at the rework and think "oh wow, this is gonna optimize the game"
and then I'd just wait
sage helm
Its probably ur location
humble tendon
reworks breaking it but its ok 😛
vestal rune
how is it breaking it?
vestal rune
it's literally gonna fix all the problems the game's been having in terms of development
sage helm
More optimization
vestal rune
because working with outdated shitty code isn't a good idea for the longevity
sage helm
The game has issues because of the code now
Exactly
Sounds to me like you did not do your research about the rework allo :\
vestal rune
if this wasn't to fix the game why would they spend months doing it?
sage helm
^
Not to mention the devs have lives outside of the game
College and all
Its still early access as well
edgy furnace
@humble tendon theyre recoding it which is fixing it so just wait
vestal rune
well I doubt the recode would just fix all performance problems
I don't see many other people with these issues so it's likely something on allo's side
indigo sun
Does allosaurus even know what the recode is? How is it breaking the game if we havent gotten it yet?
edgy furnace
i dont think he knows what the recode is
also "losing players day by day"
gaining players
and also they can work on hypo stuff and fix the game at the same time you know?
sage helm
The way its going right now is loose one player gain 3 more
And usually the players lost were not a large help with feedback 👀
south flower
When I was considering getting this game, the most I read about the reason players stopped playing The Isle was because they didn’t like the devs’ attitudes. I mean, I’d have an attitude too if I had to listen to impatient or ungrateful players constantly b*tch about the game’s quality or how we can’t get some things fixed or add some things. But there’s so much to do and the devs can’t control how some people’s PCs can’t handle such a huge game.
That’s the reason for the recoding coming up, it’s gonna fix a bunch of things that if I remember correctly are holding the devs back from either fixing some things or adding others.
sage helm
Honestly im about to get an attitude (jk)
south flower
torn thistle
There's no such thing as a bug-free update.
south flower
True
viral creek
@humble tendon
Very few patches will be pushed put until the recode will over. The recode will fix most of your problems, since a lot of said problems stem from crap, outdated code. So hold your horses
Also psst... The people that are working on the recode are barely working with hyper animals. They're working on fixing the entirety of the game. There's more than one developer. The modeler and animator and artists could be working on strain animals, while the programmers are working on the recode/bug fixes
south flower
Nicely said
edgy furnace
@obtuse dawn sandbox dinos arent a priority so it probably wont change right now
keen halo
@humble tendon It's called lag when you see people teleporting, that just means their connection is bad.. lol
jovial blade
@keen halo No
You can have perfect ping
and start rubber banding
it's mostly server problem
I've experienced this problem aswell
Happens if i run into a tree some times
and some time's when im in combat
misty island
@jovial blade Rubber banding —> connection issues, may it be u have a shit cpu/ shit modem / bad internet provider/ shit game server . PING, how fast does ur computer communicate with the server.
Teleporting can be both
Depends on how the server is coded
jovial blade
Im on a really good PC with good internet
So i know its not a connection problem on my end
misty island
Sure mate
jovial blade
Lol think im lying?
misty island
Why do you think that?
jovial blade
''Sure mate'' sounds sarcastic af
misty island
Why would someone lie about having a decent compute or internet lmfao
That’s just you lolz
jovial blade
You ever said something and some one said sure to be sarcastic?
misty island
Pffff
misty island
Again that is just you
misty island
And again that is only your opinion
misty island
As a sentinel being you can decide if you would take responsibility of your own action
Because you have your own moral ground
And if you need external law to enforce your action
jovial blade
I rather read articles
jovial blade
Ok
misty island
You enjoy ur day
jovial blade
You too
midnight fossil
how do i buy extra dinos and play them
misty island
@midnight fossil how do you mean extra Dino
midnight fossil
like stego and spinos
jovial blade
@midnight fossil Depends what server you're playing on
misty island
That means you can only play them on sandbox server
jovial blade
This server they don't do non survival
misty island
Or survival servers with them enable
midnight fossil
@jovial blade what big servers can u buy stuff on that are survival
lilac swallow
First, this is a channel for discussing suggestions
Second, why would you want to go to servers that makes your pay for free content?
midnight fossil
because u cant use it unless u do and nobody wants to play sandbox
misty island
@midnight fossil they are considered unbalanced rn
And won’t be balanced until they are added in official survival
So you might as well just wait for a bit more after the recode
random ore
im pretty sure ai was mainly for growing juvis since adults dont depend on them
and making ai more challenging would be annoying as hell for juvis
vital skiff
Can anyone find me a good pc that can run the isle on high or better that isn’t too expensive
versed blaze
This is suggestion discussion. I suggest we keep it that way.
misty island
@valid flower just out of curiosity why the big Nono ?
dry cradle
yep current ai spawn system is super flawed
barren zephyr
15 ton my ass
also giga regains stam while rex doesnt lmao
identity of its own? my man giga is the trot u down man
also the 50 bleed man
also the regain stam while trotting apex man
also the high bleed tolerance man
the god alt man
not even 20 man allo packs dare to fight him
Play deathmatch against a rex 1v1 spar
and come back
giga is a perfect plain hunter
i killed dummy rex's as giga
Giga only beats an equally skilled rex player if he gets behind
in survival
Rex has higher bleed resist lmao
giga is bad cause it has only 1 creature that can defeat it?
lmao
I don't get your point dude
it kills trikes in 3 bites btw with bleed
???
giga is fine
And the trike puts bleed on him too
is my point
well he has a better resistance
Trike out tanks a Giga from bleeding game
trike is slower than giga
trike has a shittier turn
Trike doesn't have a worse turn
bleed is more punishing for trike
Dude I am not interested arguing with you cause you clearly haven't played the game enough
ive played the game enough to know that giga is the second most powerful creature that cant be hunted by large allo packs
he has more advantages than rex
Giga is mostly a predator in-game that only hunts small game and has the worst juvi and sub lifecycle
fun fact a rex isnt going to catch u in plains as giga cause it has 30sec stam
And thats bullshit dude, Rexes have way more advantages
worst juvie? lol
hasty parcel
worst sub, yes. Worst juvi? Debatable
barren zephyr
juvie stage shouldn't even matter
yeah it doesn't
but it matters when you're a sub and wait for 4 hours
all the juvies are slow as fuck and weak to bleed
and being completely vulnerable by everything
hasty parcel
Juvi Carno: 
barren zephyr
well thats a sub issue
its sub is stronger than sub rex
Your mentality of leaving things as it is really non constructive
giga is mega fine
its supposed to be a plains creature it exceeds at being so
I suggest you to play Gigas more
no
what are real disadvantages of playing giga lmao
u only die if a rex gets near u
slender prawn
no you dont
lilac swallow
I dont agree with that giga changes but sub giga needs something, it has to afk 3 hours due to being slower than apex
barren zephyr
i agree with sub
giga
adult giga is fine af
Since you play mostly survival servers you probably don't deal with shants or spinos on the mix
lilac swallow
Ha
barren zephyr
they both are faster and out turn gigas
lilac swallow
Shants and spinos why would they even matter talking about balance?
jovial moss
match ups against non survival dinos aren't as important
barren zephyr
Just some servers love to inject those into their servers
can be really frustrating
also why would shants kill u if most of them exist on no kos semi survival community servers
Yes and you wouldn't hunt shants to begin with
lilac swallow
Giga is a balance nightmare, right now is the most balanced It has been, in fact i could even say is the best adult dino, so pls dont touch it a bit
barren zephyr
anyway giga is fine
rex has asthma issues and packs being able to kill it
?
giga has rex's existence as its only problem
lilac swallow
And is an avoidable problem
barren zephyr
I doubt Rexes will ever have anything else to challenge it's dominance
idk what else they could add
misty island
Rexs are their own enemy
barren zephyr
extremely avoidable if u go to the supposed habitat of giga ingame which is plains
Not lot of plains
misty island
Whether if it’s cus of their massive size that scares anything away