general-feedback-discussion

[indigo sun]

I dont think you'll find a single person on your side in this argument.

[shut gale]

isn't that the same as a hypo carnie @jovial blade ?

[thorny lynx]

Why have regular herbivores and regular carnivores when you can have beefed up versions of each other fighting to the death 24/7

[jovial blade]

They need to eat

[thorny lynx]

Fun gameplay!

[jovial blade]

So they have fun

whilst eating

Herb needs to go bush to bush

and maybe kill stuff in its way

[slow roost]

At least with carnis you have to work to fight others for your food, yeah

[jovial moss]

I just don't find hypers that great in general tbh if normal players are allowed to become hyper carnivores they're going to ruin the ecosystem anyway

[shut gale]

I'm sure there's something that can be made to make herbies more fun

on that aspect aswell

[jovial blade]

Maybe if the hypo strain on a herb can turn its diet into carnivore then that would be fun

[indigo sun]

Well unless you can come up with it, hypo herbies are useless and boring

[shut gale]

then its just a carnie @jovial blade ...

[jovial blade]

Other then that, hypo herb would be pretty boring

[slow roost]

Then it wouldn’t be an herbi

[jovial blade]

Exactly

[paper oriole]

wasn't there concept art for a hypo anky who eats meat

or was it tisso anky... one of them

it was an omnivore concept baically, which i know many are against tho

[indigo sun]

It was just an idea, not from the dev team as far as im aware

[paper oriole]

yea tho an idea nonetheless, what ever they decide to do i hope herbivores aren't just left in the dust

https://www.deviantart.com/tapwing/art/Nuero-and-tisso-anky-665318358 here it was. it was for neuro

[indigo sun]

Herbivores will get their own thing, I'm sure. There's been talk of certain plants increasing stats or something. There was also a hypo one

[slow roost]

Acid spitting...

[jovial moss]

I think rather than hypers and tissos and neuros herbivores could get their own unique string of LESS OP mutations that are maybe random? Like 1 trike on the server gets lucky and has an extra growth stage after adult to become a blah blah blah, and the next stage may have increased stats it doesn't just die of starvation or destroy mega packs, its more like a male lion ina pride of females. It does the defending but can still get killed

[indigo sun]

Maybe an alpha trike

[slow roost]

That I can get behind

[jovial moss]

IT adds variety and some power to herbies without being functionally useless

[indigo sun]

Like, if its been alive for a while and living healthy or maybe survived a good amount of fights, it can get a stat increase and be more powerful than a normal adult trike while not being extremely overpowered.

[slow roost]

It’d be cool if raptors could get an alpha too considering they’re pack dinos, that’s their whole thing

And it’d make them stand out more

[violet magnet]

solo herb would be fun if you could actually have a fighting chance against carnis

[jovial moss]

And for smaller herbivores built for speed they could get like boosts to their stamina and speed instead of raw power

[slow roost]

Instead of being just...barking slower carnos

[violet magnet]

no one is saying herbs should be able to steamroll carnis, just that herbs should be able to defend themselves

[jovial moss]

yea...

[indigo sun]

Alpha herbies could be somewhay bigger than their normal counterparts to distinguish them
Oh yeah no ones disagreeing with herbs defending themselves

Its more the uselessness and burden that strains would cause in herbivores

[paper oriole]

instead of attack boosts for many herbis they could get increased stan/speed, thicker skin for bleed resist and hp. the slower ones could be more powerful attackers plus hp. they cant chase anybody down but they'd essentially become a boss level that cant just be bullied to death like current trikes unfortunately can

[indigo sun]

Or alphas in general could be bigger i dont remember adding herbie

[slow roost]

Give 👏 us 👏 alpha 👏 herbs 👏 (and raptors) 👏

[paper oriole]

i'd also like to see reflective damage on dinos like anky and stego when attacked in their bony/spiked areas, especially if the 'elders' or 'alphas' have even more hardened or spiny spots

[indigo sun]

Alpha anything besides apex perhaps

Thatll likely come with locational damage

[slow roost]

I’m just saying alpha raptors make sense from their real-life dynamics and also because raptors, from what I can tell, are literally just smaller and slower carnos

Who can jump

But don’t even have their rock anymore

[jovial moss]

I also just want more herbivores in the isle, variety of prey is better for the game's ecosystem

[violet magnet]

AlPhA rApToRs
every dang raptor pack i'm in, "wHo iS AlPhA??"

[slow roost]

Lol

[jovial blade]

lol

[violet magnet]

"don't have their rock anymore" oh no they have to come down and live among us plebeians

[paper oriole]

they have docks

[slow roost]

Fair

[jovial blade]

Also

the cargo

[slow roost]

Grievous I did not come here to be made fun of btw

[jovial blade]

Close to twins

[violet magnet]

not making fun of you, just the usual raptor mindset that i see all over

giga and rex can look up and bite through the cargo boxes near twins

[slow roost]

Same problem at docks

[paper oriole]

well docks has the holding pens

[slow roost]

The cargo boxes don’t help much if they aim right

[paper oriole]

that can be camped tho

[slow roost]

Exactly

[violet magnet]

at the docks raptors can get to the top of the big tower in the middle

but they're pretty much stuck up there

[slow roost]

Then you run the risk of falling and dying or, as you said, just getting stuck

[paper oriole]

the one with the narrow stairs up?

[violet magnet]

have to get down slowly so as not to break their leg, and there's usually things waiting

yep

[paper oriole]

not really stuck on that but slow to get down

yea

[slow roost]

The buildings are the only real good things to get on but you have to know how to jump up on em and they’re high enough that you can break your leg if you’re not careful

[paper oriole]

i have seen a giga bump his way up onto raptor rock maybe a week before it was removed though not sure how he did that lol

[slow roost]

I call hAx

[paper oriole]

so it wasn't 100% safe either, sure he broke his leg getting down tho

i watche dhim spazz his way up the side lol

[slow roost]

Lol
I’ve never seen anyone get up on the rock besides raptors but then again I haven’t been playing for long enough

I miss that rock
Made some good friends there :((

[odd idol]

Honestly don't see how this pretains to any suggestion. #401464048610312195 ya nerds.

[slow roost]

Sorry ;-;

[odd idol]

@violet magnet #401470471750811669

[misty island]

Lol devs don’t care about balancing non survival dinos atm

[versed blaze]

@keen trail Velo is AI and soon Austro will be too so....I wouldn't expect that.

[shell willow]

Velo, Herrera, and austro don’t need better night vision if they won’t be playable.

[torpid wedge]

they’re still fun as fuck to run around and harass people with

i don’t think it would hurt

[shell willow]

True but if you give velo better nv you might as well increase their juvie killing radius too

[versed blaze]

Why waste the time if they will be AI though? Sandbox is only temp too from what I understand

[shell willow]

^

[torpid wedge]

ohh i didnt know that

i thought sandbox would stick around

true then, no use to change

[versed blaze]

Well, who knows lol

Nothing at this point is set in stone

But I see Sandbox mode being part of a Dev kit for testing once the game is complete.

[lethal sparrow]

The more stats are defined for non-survival/player dinosaurs that work properly from the player perspective, the more they can be hooked to the AI's behaviors as in the night vision-juvie aggression radius comparison. The more you hook those stats to AI behavior, the more data you have to create functioning AI models for playable dinosaurs to create a more complete simulation. The more complete a simulation you have, the more lively a playing environment you can give to players regardless of their playing dinosaurs or humans.

In other words, more well-defined and semi balanced stats is more shit that can be exploited and telescoped in a useful fashion for the game overall. It's more content for players and more brain food for devs as they work through the processes of defining the little nuances between creatures.

And since these are currently non-survival dinosaurs, there's more wiggle room for experimentation; they don't have to actually be balanced, just attemptedly balanced for testing. Whether they get it right on the first swing for small creature night vision or Acro stats or anything else is the third party servers' problems for running content that is more deeply in-progress than the rest.

[clever leaf]

herrera becoming an ai

[jovial blade]

Herrera AI will be annoying

nothing will catch it

[violet magnet]

i wouldn't mind having a carni equivalent of dryo

small and fast to grow

[clever leaf]

tbh if dryo made it in as a playable, so should herrera

[lethal sparrow]

It would be unpleasant if it turned out that way, I like Herrera from what little I've played of him, just needs faster food/water intake like more modern dinos seem to have as a rule. I'd prefer if every dinosaur pulled double duty as playable and AI, personally. I'd also prefer if there was more ecosystem than having bushes/prey items pop into existence around players, but that's very long term.

I think that suggestion about plants spawning completely independently of players with the highest concentrations in fertile valleys and rain shadow areas would be the best foundation for that, since you'd now have a way to funnel both herbi players and AI and thus the carni players and AI in a natural fashion. But that's a hard tangent from 'some effort should be put into non-survival dino UI & stats and AI behavior should be molded to those stats.'

[clever leaf]

I just think we're really lacking in smaller carnivores. Our smallest one atm is Utah and it's still at like 1000 mass

[torpid wedge]

i think it’d be sooo much fun to play velo/herra/austro in survival even if they are ai

i just agree with the aspect of a dryo carni counterpart

could be herra or austro

[jovial blade]

I think small carnis would still be funm

scavenging is fun

Also would be nice having a better smaller ecosystem

instead of just big and bad dinos

[misty island]

@marsh cargo well being fast usually means it takes more time to turn

Cus momentum

[violet magnet]

galli is fast as fuck and can turn on a dime tho

but not as heavy as carno so 🤷

[jovial blade]

@misty island Not unless you use your tail

like how cheetahs turn really good because of their tails

and they're the fastest thing on land

[misty island]

Cheetahs run fast as fuck and can stop to stationary from full speed is because it’s 60kg

[lilac swallow]

But weight makes you turn harder

[misty island]

And their tail is 1/5of their body length

And not to mention they use four legs to turn

Run slide pounce and run again

[lilac swallow]

You could say carnos are trucks while cheetahs are motor bikes

[misty island]

If you try that set of action on an ostrich it’s gonna break it’s neck lolz

[shell willow]

@marsh cargo I know this is probably better suited for #paleotalk, but carnotaurus literally physically could not have a super sharp turn. Its vertebrae had a specific shape that made its tail stiff and it by all means wasn't flexible.

[jovial blade]

I think carno is alright atm

Just annoying how trees jsut fuck you up so much

[normal fern]

Then don't go into a thick group of trees, Carno is a plains predator

Common sense dude

[blazing charm]

Problem is, there aren't that many plains on V3 at the moment, or rather there isn't too much incentive to go near them.

[lilac swallow]

Since the last v3 rework i noticed there are practically no plains, not that i care i play forest dinos but now v3 is just a huge forest basically

[jovial blade]

^

Literally running into trees all the time lol

[white falcon]

Kinda power to the small herbies- I’ve escaped from predators as a dryo (I am speed) because trees and I was like all green

[hollow imp]

It sais in the steam store, that there will be tree human factions. What will happen with the dinosaur gameplay in the future?
Will we still be able to play as dinosaurs?

[indigo sun]

Dinosaurs are still gonna be a major part of the game, don't worry. Just because humans will be added doesn't mean the dinosaurs are just going poof and gone.

[lilac swallow]

@white falcon yeah, but a dryo can still live allways in a forest even if the maps has plains but a carno cant go to a plain if there arent

[white falcon]

I just meant in general forests help small herbs @lilac swallow

[white falcon]

@ebon heart I’m pretty sure they’re adding crocs in the future so that’d be reserved for them AI or not

[ebon heart]

Oh yeaa forgot about deino

[normal fern]

Then make edible shit more likely to spawn in plains

[blazing charm]

Honestly, I'd much prefer the current rex sounds just get tweaked to have a bit more 'oomf' to em, but that is just me.

[unborn quail]

All cerato needs is a bleed resistance buff, a speed nerf isnt necessary

[hasty parcel]

It still needs to escape from Allo

[unborn quail]

^

[spiral pond]

It would actually be slower then allo and have less stam

[normal fern]

Why would cerato need a speed nerf? It's speed is fine

[desert prairie]

If you buff it up to much to compete with the allo you will have allo mains crying to the devs to nerf

[hasty parcel]

Not like Allo would still wreck it due to weight difference

[indigo sun]

Then let the allo mains cry

[hasty parcel]

Cerato just needs that bleed res buff

[clever leaf]

Thats literally all it needs

It would still lose to allo, itd still need to be faster than it

[blazing charm]

You just need to experiment with the values a bit, find that perfect spot where a 1v1 is still in Allos favour, but a group of Ceratos are a force to be reckoned with.

[unborn quail]

Allo mains cry for nerf

Allo mains are also asking for a cerato buff

[brisk mesa]

Buff Ceras bleed resistance to infinity... it'll still be fucked by an Allo in a head on fight lol.

Bleed resistance wont make it directly outcompete Allo

It'll just allow them to fucking exist.

Without dying to Dilos, Utahs, Allos.

I saw 11 Ceras all bleed to death due to friendly fire

If that isn't bad I don't know what to tell you.

Cerato's 'niche' as a small tier brutalizer could ONLY work if it doesnt get eviscerated by bleed.

[unborn quail]

I've killed 5 ceratos as a solo allo because they can't handle bleed for shit and tried to bleed me out

Granted I died too, but it was stupid

[brisk mesa]

[unborn quail]

Last one went in to face tank, killed me

Then died directly after

10/10 would fight again

[desert prairie]

Just got 21.6 bleed on my cerato from 1 allo bite

yeet

Then I died because he just kept running me down

10/10 would waste 2.5 hours again

[unborn quail]

Hence why it only needs a bleed resistance buff.

[desert prairie]

I will admit I did underestimate the damage it could do

[unborn quail]

Two ceatos can easily down an allo if played right, even a solo with an ambush, Just currently your chances of survival are null due to lack in bleed resistance

Cerato can't pull out of any fight with bleed involved, can even fill its role as a small tier bully because it's such a low value

[desert prairie]

yeah

Its bleed heal is hella nice tho

Healed that bleed off in like 3 minutes

[unborn quail]

dilo bites you twice

Guess ill die

[desert prairie]

It can just be 1 bite

and the dilo make you move

feels bad

[unborn quail]

But yeah, just give cerato its bleed resistance and it's fine.

It will actually be able to preform the way it was meant to

[desert prairie]

I wish it was still a mid tier dino

[unborn quail]

It technically is

Just very low end

[desert prairie]

Seems so

[clever leaf]

tfw carno can handle bleed better than cerato can

[unborn quail]

@barren zephyr last I recall Cerato will never be able to get a proper ambush, for reasons unknown

[lilac swallow]

@barren zephyr ceratos ambush is actually supposed to be almost non existant

[unborn quail]

But bleed res is a big yes

Also that double tag

Feels bad man

[lilac swallow]

[desert prairie]

Wont be getting any new buffs for months because of this recode

[barren zephyr]

That kinda sucks about it's ambush but hopefully they will be able to make it's bleed res better

[unborn quail]

I can understand the ambush thing due to it supposedly being mainly a scavenger, but I would like to see it get an insanely long duration rather than speed

[desert prairie]

Cerato is supposed to be a scavanger?

[unborn quail]

Yes

[desert prairie]

wtf lol

That's a terrible idea

[barren zephyr]

Yes it's main gimmick is to steal corpses

[desert prairie]

Cant even do that rip

[unborn quail]

Not steal, but actually eat rotten shit

That others won't be able to

Supposedly

[desert prairie]

mmm

[barren zephyr]

Huh last i recalled it was supposed to bully things from corpses

[desert prairie]

I would prefer them to give that to another dino but I guess that wont happen

[unborn quail]

I'd rather see it get an additional ability to easily dispatch small deinos and ai turtles

If added

[desert prairie]

Because right now that seems useless

[unborn quail]

Bully isnt really an ability

[desert prairie]

well eating rotten corpses

[unborn quail]

My personal wants for cerato is just bleed resistance and maybe bullet resistance(small caliber) in the future

And obviously the ability to make juvie/small deinos a nice easy meal

As seen here

Good shit from Fred.

[brisk mesa]

Eating raw corpses would be totally useless as a ability if the game's difficulty isnt skyrocketed from current

[desert prairie]

Honestly I'd like cerato to grapple onto a tail like an allos and slow it down for the rest of the pack

[brisk mesa]

Corpses dont last long enough to where being a scavenger made sense.

[barren zephyr]

Ah i fucking love Fred

[brisk mesa]

back in R2 when bodies legit lasted IRL days

Scavenging was a very viable strategy, as was bullying off kills.

[desert prairie]

thing is tho

why would you want to risk 2.5 hours for a corpse when you can just let ava's and oro's spawn

[brisk mesa]

🤢

That stupid easy gameplay...

makes scavengers even worse.

[desert prairie]

Exactly

[brisk mesa]

Ceratorex could survive rn because AI would spawn every 10 seconds to feed it lmao

[desert prairie]

Carno is 1.8 hours

[clever leaf]

except it'd be the big dead when gigas see it

[brisk mesa]

'Oh no, 30min of hunger'
'Guess I'll just eat Oros every few min'

[desert prairie]

and has 60 minutes of food

feels bad

[brisk mesa]

I mean... 2 Cera rexes could kill 1 Giga

So due to how AI spawns...

[clever leaf]

if the giga is bad then yeah

[desert prairie]

^

[brisk mesa]

Nah even a decent Giga lmao.

Y'all underestimate Cera rex.

I saw one kill 2 adult Gigas, like, full adults. Granted it did so in woods but still.

It had a VERY high skill cap.

[clever leaf]

They were trash

[brisk mesa]

Yeah, they were no doubt.

But still 2 good Cera rexes could down 1 Giga, or give it a run for its money.

They werent like Sucho rn

[unborn quail]

Cerato rex was very much underestimated. I still remember the dark day when my entire pack got nuked by a solo

[brisk mesa]

FUCKED when a Giga lays eyes on it.

Ah, an Allo with PTSD i see.

[barren zephyr]

Cerato rex was complete cancer i'm happy to have this new Cerato

[unborn quail]

Even playing Cerato rex myself, I hated how ungodly strong it was

[brisk mesa]

I agree it was overtuned, for a Cerato.

[unborn quail]

I prefer the current idea, minus the lack in bleed resistance

[brisk mesa]

But if say Acro did the exact same thing?

As old Ceratorex?

Downsize Acro to where it's a bit smaller than a Giga visually.

[unborn quail]

Would rather Sucho do it, the idea of another bleeder like acro doesn't sit well

[brisk mesa]

Why is Acro a bleeder lol.

It lacks the adaptations to be one, and never was one in any version of the Isle.

Even when first added it was focused on raw.

Sucho's a bleeder rn, by that low standard.

20 bleed is a bleeder

[unborn quail]

It was buffed needlessly

[brisk mesa]

Acro did a lotta raw damage for it's size back in the day.

[unborn quail]

It was never intended to be a bleeder.

[brisk mesa]

Bleeders dont exist anymore.

Every carnivore does good bleed, with exceptions to the rule.

Trex, Cera are exceptions.

All others do good bleed.

[clever leaf]

carno and sucho do too much bleed imo

[brisk mesa]

This is veering #401464048610312195 tho

The proposal was a buff to cera's bleed res and ambush.

[unborn quail]

Regardless, the idea would be better suited for sucho, who was intended to fill a role similar to old cerato rex

And agreed

Off to wonderland

[brisk mesa]

And tbh... while the ambush buff would be great, and being a scavenger would suck ass because of how pointless of a niche that is

I don't think we'll get it, for whatever reason.

[blazing charm]

I look away for 10 minutes and I see you trying to soil my crocodile hunting Bary Nova

[unborn quail]

It makes no sense

Go away

[brisk mesa]

I feel Cera should have amazing bleed res, and being able at least ambush a Utah.

[blazing charm]

How does it not? Bary would actually be able to swim after crocs, Cerato would just have to get luckly and come across one on the shore.

[brisk mesa]

It also should get an HP buff; the fact old juvi Ceratorex had perfect stats to do what current Cera was intended

[oak shale]

Well I’d like a crocodile hunting bary

[brisk mesa]

King, a crocodile hunting Bary would be pretty pointless.

Let Sucho or Spino do that.

That would be like adding a small tier Oro hunter.

[unborn quail]

It doesn't need an Hp buff, all it really needs is bleed resistance, which is Apparently already too much

[brisk mesa]

Or adding a playable to hunt Dilos.

Dafuq

Your kidding me right?

Dondi thinks its worthless bleed res makes sense?

[clever leaf]

I remember he removed his good bleed res because "Cerato can't have everything"

it already didn't

[unborn quail]

^

[brisk mesa]

[barren zephyr]

That's dumb what the fuck

[brisk mesa]

He took away all of Ceras tankyness and power

gave it some stamina and speed

[clever leaf]

It lacks a proper ambush, and it doesn't dish out much bleed

[brisk mesa]

took away the bleed it dealt

Its fucking trash.

Ceratorex used to actually deal dangerous bleed.

Along with raw damage.

[oak shale]

It wasn’t really ment to be that tanky in the first place though

[clever leaf]

doesnt really need to deal much bleed since it does do decent damage

[brisk mesa]

Besides the point... Cerato currently has barely anything

[barren zephyr]

sucho is a semi bleeder i think that the 20 bleed is a placeholder for the claw attack

[unborn quail]

Or a fluke

If anything I'd imagine it's claw attacks being damaged focus rather than bleed

So it wouldn't make much sense to throw in said bleed at this point

But again, that's #401464048610312195

[barren zephyr]

i think the opposite suchos jaw attack as a primary attack while the claws would make deep bleeding wounds. i think sucho in reallife had a good enough bite for its size but wasn't good at serration

[polar juniper]

Do you guys think Cerato should have his old cerato rex bleed resist values back or should it be a little weaker than that

[unborn quail]

I'd just say old

Force something like allo to actually have to get down and dirty to kill the lad

[polar juniper]

It’d be a monster to anything below an allo too

[umbral prairie]

@craggy river the servers cannot handle more players at the moment since every AI on the server takes up almost as much space as a player on the server

I'm sure they are aware that the map can handle more players

[barren zephyr]

I am such a fucking idiot i deleted my own suggestion when i was about to edit it god damnit

[unborn quail]

[barren zephyr]

It might not be as good as the previous one, but if i need to add anything say so

[clever leaf]

ceratos unfortunately gonna have to suffer through this shit for a few more months because recode

[barren zephyr]

Yeah sadly

[polar juniper]

[blazing charm]

Why in gods name, would you make Utahraptor even faster?

[edgy furnace]

it can die to something obviously needs to be buffed

Seriously though why

[blazing charm]

It can already outrun a majority of small dinosaurs, which is what they are usually supposed to be hunting, if they are being chased by a Maia they can easily escape up to a higher altitude, like up a ledge or onto a rock.

[next nexus]

remember jaffad, its never the players fault, Its always the games fault. If it was the players fault then that would make them the big sadness

[blazing charm]

Utahraptor is by far one of the easiest creatures to play at the moment.

[leaden night]

Just like

Dodge the Maia

[clever leaf]

Utah needs more things to be able to catch it tbh

[pseudo falcon]

Literally the only significance the buff would have would be in that matchup. Maia vs Utah. The fact is a Maia shouldn't be hunting down Utahs for sport. There isn't always a cliff or rock to escape onto.

[clever leaf]

Pretty sure maia turns worse than utah

so like

juke it

[pseudo falcon]

There's a reason people used to huddle on raptor rock.

[blazing charm]

You seem to forget this would affect every other matchup, animals that are already outsped by Utahraptor would get absolutely decimated.

[pseudo falcon]

You can, I do. The reality is even when you dodge sometimes the game doesn't register that.

[blazing charm]

People gathered on that god forsaken rock because it was the easiest thing to do.

[pseudo falcon]

It would be .2 km/h faster than Maia... give me a break that wouldn't change much

[shut gale]

@pseudo falcon maia is still gonna run down dilos even if that happened

think the best option would be to tune down the maia itself...

[clever leaf]

Dilo is literally slower than Utah. Yet Dilos have absolutely no need for rocks to be huddling on in order to survive.
Yet Utahs are desperate for rocks.

Kinda shows how incompetent Utah players are about challenges of surviving tbh

[shut gale]

they survive? i'm pretty sure they get run down too

[clever leaf]

dilo can juke maia

[pseudo falcon]

Actually I witness Dilo after Dilo die to Maias. Utahs have a way better chance at surviving to Maias.

[clever leaf]

i've done it

[pseudo falcon]

If the Maia wants to kill you, you will die.

[clever leaf]

Okay then why are you saying Utah in particular get a speed buff rather than Dilo?

[shut gale]

yeah... and its gonna keep happening

cause the maia is dumb fast

[pseudo falcon]

Because I care about Utah.

[clever leaf]

LOL

OK

LOGICAL REASONING

[pseudo falcon]

NICE ALL CAPS

[shut gale]

[clever leaf]

Tbh I can't even tell if you're being serious or not.

Utah has it the easiest out of the survival dinosaurs.

[pseudo falcon]

The problem is, Utah is a predator. I would like to play Utah as a predator.

[clever leaf]

you think you cant?

[shut gale]

you're both arguing. and you both have a good point.... Maias can kill Utahs and Dilos aswell...

so i'm not sure why you're arguing xD

[languid ember]

a predator should also have predators hunting it

[clever leaf]

^ that too

[pseudo falcon]

Its hard ro hunt other player when a rex is faster than your base run speed in ambush.

[languid ember]

lol

[clever leaf]

Wait what the fuck

[pseudo falcon]

Maia should not be a predator

[clever leaf]

Rex ambush isn't faster than Utah

[pseudo falcon]

Rex ambush is 43.3 km/h

[languid ember]

it is

[pseudo falcon]

Utahs run speed is 43.2 km/h

[clever leaf]

Rex turns like a bus anyways

[languid ember]

wait, isn't rex ambush mult 1.5=

[clever leaf]

and basically has asthma

[languid ember]

right

turns like a bus

[clever leaf]

lol just 0.1 km/h faster

[languid ember]

so if you die then live with it

[clever leaf]

it has to literally be right on top of you to catch you

you're still at fault if he catches you considering the turn radiuses of you both

[pseudo falcon]

Rex's hit boxes are pretty ungodly

Its not hard to turn your head and bite the Utah trying to turn away

[clever leaf]

considering rexs stamina, it can only remotely catch utah if it's 1. on top of it and 2. when utah is caught off-guard

if you see a rex before it ambushes you can easily get away

[pseudo falcon]

It takes what 2 minutes to regen back to full stam as a Utah

Idk how long exactly

[clever leaf]

Utah can run for 5 minutes.

Compared to.. Rex only 30 seconds?

Less than that if it ambushes

and it gotta sit down to regen it

[pseudo falcon]

Yeah but if you catch a Utah who is playing the game instead of sitting on a rock his entire life, you can get caught while resting

[clever leaf]

while resting

well

[languid ember]

if you get caught while resting¨

[clever leaf]

there you have it

[languid ember]

that's ur own damn fault

let's nerf trike speed while we're at it because it can run over to a resting utah and kill it

[pseudo falcon]

Either way, my concern is not between the Rex vs Utah matchup

Its between the Maia and Utah matchup

[clever leaf]

If you're seriously mad about Utah being slightly slower than Maia, why don't you use your ambush speed because it's faster than a Carno 😂

[pseudo falcon]

Ambush speed to run away?

[clever leaf]

i mean people do that

apparently

[paper oriole]

mmm i love walking in to salty utahs mad because an herbivore can kill them

[pseudo falcon]

You'll usually take a hit which can mean death with the janky hitboxes

I usually play Maia. I go on killing sprees. Upwards of 10 Utahs die to me in a single life

[paper oriole]

glorious

[pseudo falcon]

Its not as easy as you're making it out to be.

[clever leaf]

those are stupid utahs that aren't aware of their surroundings it sounds like

[shut gale]

Don't you think the dilo deserves to be able to run away aswell as the utah?

[clever leaf]

no because he cares about utah, he said

[shut gale]

idc what he said

[clever leaf]

😂

[shut gale]

Fix the game...

insert tyler1 clip

[pseudo falcon]

@clever leaf do you want to show me you can dodge a Maia that wants you dead? We can go on death match and see how long you can evade me.

[cyan flame]

Where do you fight those utahs? :p

[clever leaf]

Deathmatch performance =/= survival performance

[languid ember]

^^

[clever leaf]

just saying

[languid ember]

you have places to hide etc on a real map

[clever leaf]

because you'll always see your target in DM

[shut gale]

Test it on a Deathmatch on thenyaw

C:

[pseudo falcon]

Well you're claiming you can easily evade a Maia with your 5 minutes of stamina

Prove it.

[clever leaf]

That isn't just accounting stamina, turn radius as well.

[pseudo falcon]

Ok cool

Prove it.

[cyan flame]

I'd be up for trying actually, but fair warning, I never play utah so, don't expect me to be too good at it :p

But even so, just running around for 5 minutes will probably not work, I'm assuming the utahs ingame actually use the enviroment to their advantage and all

[pseudo falcon]

Maia only had 3 minutes of stamina.

You should be fine.

With your clearly superior knowledge. @clever leaf

[clever leaf]

If maias were legitimately catching utahs hardcore then there'd probably be a shitload of more complaints about it, because y'know utah playerbase.

[pseudo falcon]

I used to get complaints all the time on IGParadise

[cyan flame]

Hm

[pseudo falcon]

Maias on official are nice and choose not to kill you for whatever reason

[cyan flame]

... xD

[lament thorn]

Did you just say the players on official are nice

[pseudo falcon]

In my experience

The rex and giga players are universally assholes

Regardless of what server you're on

[cyan flame]

I'd say most players are assholes no matter what they are, even dryos can be surprisingly mean ^^

[pseudo falcon]

Either way. Giving Utah a .2 km/h advantage over Maia wouldn't make it impossible for a Maia to kill a Utah by any means

It just means that a Maia won't be able to run down and slaughter any Utah that can't escape.

Usually their only escape being rocks and such.

[cyan flame]

If the only way to escape is to get up on a rock, I don't know.. :p

[clever leaf]

It's not impossible to escape it though because it is nimbler and can run for longer

[pseudo falcon]

I understand that as someone who escapes Carnos as a Maia.

The point remains. Under unideal senarios you will die to Maias. I don't think you should unless you engage in combat.

[torpid wedge]

i honestly don’t have a problem that maia is faster

i just wish herbs had something to Do

so they wouldn’t sit around waiting for something killable to come along

like a maia shouldnt see a utah and immediately chase it down

if thats the mindset then i agree and think it should be tuned down to at least dilo

[clever leaf]

If you seriously think Maia speed is a problem, just remember that Dilo has it harder than Utah against them because Utah is the faster of the two.

Yet you think Utah needs a buff, and just ignoring Dilo

Had you even considered slowing down maia rather than speeding up utah?

[shut gale]

just don't ignore any.... and slow down the Maia 🤷

[clever leaf]

I don't know if you always run away in a straight line as a Utah but thats what you shouldnt be doing

you juke if they get close enough

[shut gale]

that can work when there's 1 maia chasing you. but if there's multiple....

chance of you dodging all of them is slim...

[clever leaf]

1 utah vs maia herd?

thats not a circumstance i would ask a balance change on

[shut gale]

can even be 2-3 Utahs and they're just running away from them because the maias spoted them and now will chase and kill them x)

[torpid wedge]

who are you talking to red?

[shut gale]

using Utahs but the worse victims are dilos xD

just trying to show my point...

[clever leaf]

gonna point this out also

since utah already doesnt have much that catches it

this speed buff might make utah players more erect

because

iirc allo ambush barely catches utah

from what i've witnessed

[shut gale]

i don't want the utah to get speed buff

yes i agree with you

[torpid wedge]

[shut gale]

Much rather the Maia getting a speed nerf

[torn thistle]

You guys are still on the topic of buffing Utah's speed / nerfing Maia's speed?

[shut gale]

yeah

[paper oriole]

an herbivore doesnt need a nerf every time it manages to overpower a carnivore

[shut gale]

No, but if there's little to no counter play i think it should be changed

[elder swan]

i thought the devs were trying to encourage herbivore play and not fill the servers with lazy carnivores. carnis shouldn't live off ai, they should have to work for their food

[shut gale]

@elder swan I agree...

[elder swan]

and as an avid player of both i found carnivore pretty easy and boring

[paper oriole]

utahs have longer stam, as well as being able to jump to outmaneuver a maia. sometimes they cna be caught off guard or in a bad area but that's just the way it is

herbivores shouldnt just be free meals to everybody, a maia being able to run down a utah and kill it sometimes isn't an emergency

[shut gale]

No utahs aren't the worst victims on the account of the maia speed. Dilos are x)

[paper oriole]

yeah and dilos can't jump around obstacles to outmaneuver their assailant either

their main niche is hunting at night but right now on V3 they don't really have that perk

[shut gale]

Think the best scenario would be doing the same thing they did with the para / allo ,
Where they're both the same speed

[elder swan]

then herbis just need to have better stam if the pred of equal weight are the same speed as them

[paper oriole]

if herbis are gonna get speed nerfed in favour of carnis then they need mroe stam and bleed resist because RIP their means of escaping predators

[elder swan]

the short of it is, if you can't facetank it, you should e able to out run it or out stam it

as herbivore

[shut gale]

@paper oriole it would stay the same speed as a dilo. nothing else would change

you can face tank it tho 🤔

its a dilo or a utah xD

[paper oriole]

in most cases yea, though utahs especially love to zip around to assride or run away if they aren't able to do that

honestly i dont think maia is in a bad spot

for what it is, it's good

[elder swan]

ok here's a crazy idea, but hear me out. what if we lengthened the duration of preds' ambush, but removed the regular running. becuast think about it, IRL herbivores run all the time, they have great stamina. look at horses, look at buffalo and zebra. they canter/gallop to locations all over the place, but the only time we see preds running is when they're actively chasing, or being chased

[paper oriole]

ambush preds could function that way easily

it's really make them ambush preds

like the rex

[wintry cipher]

imo the problem with the maia/utah/dilo matchup comes down to the bleed resist/heal on them. they can use that speed, sure. but theyre way too tanky for borderline galli speed. and, given an allo can barely catch a utah, an allo certainly wont catch a maia even if it ambushes correctly. and i would think unaware maias would be the staple of an allo's diet.

They have the stamina, and the maneuverability to avoid carnos, and carno will likely get its bleed nerfed once it has its mechanics in. Once carno is no longer a problem for adult maias, maia suddenly has no viable predators -and I'm sure that sucker won't go down in a single utah pounce (reasoning for a speed nerf, but at the same time is ee why it has its current speed, so its a no win situation for either side).

Solution? nerf its bleed resistance. it can keep the speed and damage, but its going to pay for it dearly if it goes after more than a single utah or dilo then.

[torpid wedge]

i dont like the body size difference itself but i do like the crest size difference idea

[paper oriole]

yea i suppose body size diff could hold some performance unfairness

can drop that part lol

[thorny lynx]

People would freak out if you could only run when ambushing

What if something is chasing you

Better lay down and die

[misty island]

I like body size difference

As an addition to that

While males are slightly smaller

They would have a constant weight

And female being a bit bigger should lose weight while incubating and fertilising her eggs

And suffer from a weight lost for a period of time

It would make things interesting

[jovial moss]

I think the sized difference could also just be purely cosmetic and it would still be a nice addition

[misty island]

Or that

[clever leaf]

I've heard in the past about Para handling bleed like absolute shit though idk if thats still the case.. I wouldn't exactly know this since I dont play Para/Maia.

Does Maia handle bleed better than Para? If so that's stupid and should be the other way around

[misty island]

@south flower I like the idea

But what’s the point if the water u get from it doesn’t help quenching u for the next 10minutes tho

[south flower]

Maybe when it gets too low, you can only gain so much and you lose it so quick?

I don't know how it would work, either, to be honest

[misty island]

Mm

Ya I thought of smthing similar

But balancing it got me stuck so I kept it to myself lol

[south flower]

and you can only eat so much until you get full, and not enough water could probably be received from when you eat a corpse.

[misty island]

True

If ur at 0%food

And eat till 100

And u get 10%of water from doing that

[south flower]

Yeah, something like that

[misty island]

It could work

Now we wait after the recode to post that again

XD

[south flower]

lmaooo true

[misty island]

Yo do u mind reading my suggestions from before?

U seems like a reasonable person

I would like to see how u feel about them

I don’t exactly keep it as a document on my phone

But u can search my name and hashtag the suggestion channel to find it

@desert prairie really

Woter

[desert prairie]

woter

[misty island]

Woter with tut O

[hasty parcel]

Nice doc Jaffad, certainly would be an interesting playstyle

[blazing charm]

Any criticisms? Anything at all

[hasty parcel]

Trying to think of something...

[barren zephyr]

I like the nest raider idea, but i think another possible mechanic could be scavenging of fish from creatures like Suchomimus, Deinosuchus and Spinosaurus

[hasty parcel]

Just wondering, would the speed multiplier for the nest raid perk be the same as its ambush?

also scavenging fish seems....eh...

[blazing charm]

Well, the fish scavenging thing would require fish to be dragged into land, and not just swallowed whole by the big lads, something I broughtup in my Bary doc.

[hasty parcel]

Since I doubt, unless it's a really big fish, there would be much left

[blazing charm]

As for the speed boost thing, I mentioned it being similar, so more or less yeah. They'd be pretty much the same.

[hasty parcel]

It's of course somewhat hard to judge without the stats

[blazing charm]

Understandable, that is something I will address in due time. I just wished to get some opinions on the core idea first.

[hasty parcel]

Ye, I think the mechanic is nice

[barren zephyr]

Hey Jaffad could you link the Alberto document?

[hasty parcel]

you could just go to the bottom of the rugops doc and go to his other docs from there

[blazing charm]

^

Little awkward to link from phone

[barren zephyr]

Ah shit sorry didn't notice the other docs were linked in this one

[blazing charm]

All good my dude

[hasty parcel]

I think the main thing to address with the mechanic would be the range at which it works and with which it works

[blazing charm]

Duely noted.

[hasty parcel]

Mainly the range at which the dinosaurs are highlighted, at least for me

15 meters is quite close when you think how large these dinosaurs are

[blazing charm]

Those ranges were mostly just examples I threw out, I plan to fine tune the range.

[hasty parcel]

Alright

[blazing charm]

Actually, here is an idea you've given me.

[hasty parcel]

Oh, nice

[blazing charm]

Varying ranges depending on the type of nest.

Certain eggs are higher risk, but higher reward.

[hasty parcel]

Seems good

[blazing charm]

I'll be sure to jot that in when I get home.

Kinda kicking myself for not thinking of it before.

But that's why I chase people for second opinions

[hasty parcel]

Glad to help

[lethal sparrow]

I think the Rugops doc is a pretty good showing as far as extrapolating an afterthought dinosaur intended to be an NPC janitor into an asshole smellovision scavenger that people might want to play to expendably eat apex eggs.

[misty island]

I feel like the idea is great

But when’s the last time u see an apex get off their nest

Usually they just sit on the nest with the children inside

[hasty parcel]

I've seen an apex/sucho nest yesterday completely unattended

and it was there for hours

[misty island]

Was it even in use....?

I mean if it’s not then it doesn’t hurt the apex

[hasty parcel]

It had 4 completely incubated eggs

[blazing charm]

In regards to apex nests, I'd probably make the detection range quite small, because if you don't notice the big ass Trex or Giga then you deserve to die.

[misty island]

Ya

But no the point I am trying to make is

The whole egg stealing mechanism is great and it would be fun

[blazing charm]

Fragon does completely have a point.

[misty island]

But in current playstyle it may not be effective as we think it would be

[hasty parcel]

Of course, mechanics aren't going to be in for a while

[misty island]

Either am stolen egg would not hurt the player

[hasty parcel]

So maybe at the point it could have that mechanic, the playstyle would be different enough for it to really work

[misty island]

Or the theif can’t steal a single one cus it can’t really approach the nest

[blazing charm]

Do me a favor, keep going and I'll read back over this. I have to drop out for a good bit.

[misty island]

So what we really need to know now is how locational damage works

[blazing charm]

Terribly sorry

[lethal sparrow]

One thing I'd say is that maybe the Rugops could get as an extra nuance to its get in-get out ethic is that, although it loses its retreat speed bonus if it starts eating eggs, unlike other dinosaurs that might have to gnaw for a bit to get at the yolk or the Oviraptor that might crack them reasonably quick, the Rugops just gulps them down. Quick as a drinking animation.

[misty island]

And if there is any other mechanism comes with it

@lethal sparrow exactly why I mentioned locational damage

Because if a critical hit is gonna be a thing

Smaller animals would have a entirely different gameplay

I feel like the devs are trying to get rid of the tierings

But give everyone a certain trait they can relay on

You can grasp that feeling from testing out balancing on dilos and nerfing apex

Devs are actually testing out the community reaction towards a smaller but somewhat more deadly animal

Which doesn’t fit in the tiers system

Cus lower tiers are supposed not to fight higher tiers

Nest raiding is a role that can be consider properly only after we know what would happen in the combat system

If not it’s just gonna be another hatching/juvi speed killing gameplay which we can already do with raptor

[hasty parcel]

of course, a lot of mechanics are going to be dependent on how things will change in the future

[misty island]

But going back to the document

King suggested three systems that could change nesting into a way more fun experience

Much like a TD version of isle really

[shell willow]

e g g

[misty island]

Actually like orc must die

And I like it very much

[shell willow]

I like nesting because egg

egg is egg egg protecc

[misty island]

It would be better if the system would apply to most smaller dinos

But should let rugops have the biggest slice of the cake

Cus everyone else has a different role

But one thing I need to suggest a change

The sprint buff should not be a passive skill

It must be an active one

Or else it is gonna turn into a metal detector

[lethal sparrow]

I get more or less what you're saying. Other possible opportunist scavengers have things going for them like size or versatility. Rugops is such a weak, dumpy creature that its specialization is being a hoover vacuum.

Hence my thinking it should gulp eggs down whole, being the quickest and least discrete nest raider.

[misty island]

Lol they should make rugops the only playable Dino that can command ais

Summon an army of velos

[hasty parcel]

[misty island]

That would be a spot light

Maybe rugops could scent footprint differently

Like use colour to determine the passed time of that particular footprint

Lighter Cold colour for footprint from Stone Age

Deep warm colour for fresh prints maybe

Press Q
looks around
Blood Red Apex print infront of you that werent there seconds ago

[shell willow]

"fuc"

[misty island]

@barren zephyr it’s not the carno turn u need to buff it’s more open area u want in v3lol

[barren zephyr]

A turn buff would also be good as Gallis and Dryos can avoid you no problem

[shell willow]

carnos don't need a turn buff because for them that's physically impossible anyway

[misty island]

They are supposed to avoid you.....

[barren zephyr]

This is a game not real life so that arguement is entirely invalid

[misty island]

They are not ais

[shell willow]

@barren zephyr just because it's not 100% accurate doesn't mean it has to be completely absurd and unrealistic as well

[misty island]

They are players and being playable is that it can out run most of the things that could kill them

[paper oriole]

they are slower and turn better, i don't see the problem

what does need a buff is Gali's pathetic jump

[shell willow]

you should have to work for your food, it doesn't have to run into your mouth whenever you want it to

[misty island]

Lol moist you must love the gigas vs ing Rex then

Slower but turn better

All gud

[barren zephyr]

I know that all i'm saying is that giving Carno a slight turn would be great so it can avoid all those fucking trees and actually be able to catch something without having to turn like a idiot all the time

[paper oriole]

personally i have no opinion on giga vs rex lol

[shell willow]

having bad turn isn't the reason they get sucked into every tree on the island

[misty island]

Ya it just reminded me of that situation

Rex runs giga runs

[shell willow]

regardless of how you feel you're gonna have to turn a few times to hit and kill your prey lol

[misty island]

Six rexs apart from both party

Rex caught up no problem

[paper oriole]

yea you gotta be somewhat of a distance away to outpace the rex as a giga, they are indurance hunters not ambushers

[misty island]

I know

[paper oriole]

unfortunately you can get jumped, but yea carno doesn't need a turn buff

[misty island]

Problem was we were traveling

And it was dense trees

And we had a sub with

So

Gotta fight

Sub lived tho

[barren zephyr]

Also Carno needs a better turn so it is able to hunt small animals it can't hunt bigger prey than that because it's completely useless against dinosaurs like Maia and Para

[paper oriole]

he already has speed on his side. ugh the worst trees are those white ones that are always so dense. i have to detour a ton because of them, it's just the unfortunate way things are. those trees can be a blessing to small dinos, that is their purpose in a way

[misty island]

Okay Phil

Let’s trade

[paper oriole]

i do think there should be more plains for sprinters like carno tho

[misty island]

0.1degree of turn rate vs 0.5kph

Basically raptor

[shell willow]

@barren zephyr carno isn't meant to turn that quickly with that high speed, it would fall over, also, it can hunt small prey just fine. If you really knew how to play carno this would be a stupid argument. I play carno all the time and I eat utahs and gallis for breakfast.

[paper oriole]

the map should be fitted to have suitable areas for all specialized dinos (like carno, dilo) rather than them being thrrown buffs to accomodate for the lack of proper hunting ground

[barren zephyr]

Carno will have a mechanic to set it apart from Utah and it has a different niche, Carno hunts small game like Galli and Dryo while Utah hunts big herbivores like Maia and Para

[shell willow]

what??

utah might hunt maias in bigger groups sure but they aren't supposed to, they're small, they also hunt small animals

maias can pummel utahs

[paper oriole]

well being pack hunters, they are supposed to take on larger game in a group

[lethal sparrow]

That is under the current circumstances where they have no latch-on pounce, though.

[misty island]

Mias can trash any raptor any day.....

[paper oriole]

on their own they are small game, but packs will harrass larger animals for prey

[misty island]

As long as there isn’t 15of them

[barren zephyr]

That's literally they're gimmick once pounce is in the game the little fucks will jump on anything big

[shell willow]

what does this have to do with carno needing a turn buff

[paper oriole]

not sure the convo just seemed to flow this way, I (in my opinion) still think that instead of getting a buff, there should just be more suitable terrain supplied for carnos and other sprinters

[shell willow]

I agree moist

carno doesn't need a turn buff, it just needs more room to turn at all

[barren zephyr]

Carno doesn't need a turn buff since it's accurate that it didn't turn well in real life according to bone studies. V3 just need a big savanna for plains area. Honestly wish there was something similar to twin lakes plains but bigger scale could be called Great plains or something with a single puddle there at the middle.

[shell willow]

inb4 it becomes the "party plains" of V3

[paper oriole]

big smooth plains where it can have a fair chance without faceplanting into 6 trees lol

[shell willow]

^

[barren zephyr]

If you remember the area between titan and murky pond there used be a really big plains area but they added trees there for some reason

the place would be great border cap between titan and the ponds near melt water

Why do we need to sacrifice gameplay for realism do you know how boring this game would be then

[shell willow]

we aren't sacrificing gameplay for realism at all, you're just salty that you couldn't catch a galli

[barren zephyr]

Carno is already a unique dino if you want more turn rate just play something similar like an utah or dilo.

[shell willow]

if you want to be fast with a good turn, play galli

[paper oriole]

they are already the fastest survival dino, they dont need better turn, they just need areas where they can stretch their legs freely

[barren zephyr]

Most rex players that don't understand the power of hit and running biggest reason why they die to Spino or Giga players

Your only feedback to my suggestion is basically "It doesn't need a turn buff because realism"

Carno is a nice way to learn that combat isn't all about turn rate

[paper oriole]

it doesn't need a turn buff because it isn't a deep woods hunter, it needs plains

[barren zephyr]

They just need add a location with big plains and not lot of trees. I dislike Doni added to trees to areas that used to be good for Carnos like the North River/ Herbi paradise area

[shell willow]

My feedback to your suggestion is that

1. Yes, realism. Something that fast with that much weight would fall over and it's not meant to turn that sharply.
2. It doesn't need one because it can run down anything that runs in a straight line.
3. It doesn't need a turn buff because it does just fine in open fields, which there needs to be more of, which is why you're having a hard time
4. Stop using carno to hunt in the woods

[paper oriole]

the map is still being tweaked, maybe we will see the great plain returned. anybody know what they plan to do with the archipelago in the future?

[shell willow]

aquatic friendly area probably

[paper oriole]

if carno recieved a turn buff it should only me temporary until they add more plains, or not at all

[shell willow]

the archipelago wouldn't exist if they didn't have aquatic plans for it, at least you would think
right now the only thing I can see using it for land purposes is ptera to nest far away from apexes and deino to swim where other people can't

[paper oriole]

a bandaid fix until we are given less woods and incredibly rocky areas in turn for plains or maybe even a desert terrain would be neat at some point to replace some of the uninhabitable mountains

[shell willow]

^

definitely not enough leg room for carnos

[paper oriole]

they need more zoom room

[shell willow]

there are 3 swamps but somehow a carno can't live a decent life

[barren zephyr]

carno is capable of hunting mais boi

[paper oriole]

them and dilos are currently lacking much space for their special niche on V3, and carnos on thenyaw as well

dilos having issues with the light nights rendering their special nightvision useless against gamma abusers, carnos have too few open areas to properly utilize their sprint

[barren zephyr]

dilo doesn't even need the nocturnal niche its too good on day now

[paper oriole]

true, but the point is it cant really use its niche, it's mostly useless on v3

[barren zephyr]

old dilos nv made sense cause it had shitty dmg

new one would rek everything if we just add pitchblack nighttime without buffing other creatures nv

[shell willow]

"oh no something can defend itself on its own, it's too much"

[barren zephyr]

its too much xD who said that

[shell willow]

the only problem is dilo packs of 20 running around killing rexes

[paper oriole]

yea a sort of inbetween could probably be reached, make them the famed night hunter they are supposed to be

[shell willow]

right now, a pack of 4 or 5 dilos is perfectly viable

we just don't need 20

all at once

[paper oriole]

yea dilos are pretty good at harrassing people with bleed rn, not saying they are weak in any way

[barren zephyr]

20 packs... its like 6-8packs that wipe rex's

[paper oriole]

just their night vision doesn't seem all too special right now with V3s bright night

[shell willow]

6-8 dilos killing rexes? rex must be pretty shitty because last I checked I watched a pack of 15 lose all but 2 of their dilos to a solo adult sucho

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

rex must be pretty shitty to have a crappy alt lol yeah no

people use the "the player must be shit" alot here

[paper oriole]

or on no-alt servers, they can be bullied in woods by dilos

really depends on the situation

[lilac swallow]

More like these 15 dilo vs a sucho and almost losing were the shitty ones

[shell willow]

to be fair half of them weren't in the discord call and ran straight into its mouth, yes, the majority of them were stupid

but the sucho was good and it was a good fight

but a full grown rex losing to 6-8 adult dilos needs to step up its game because I've had no dilo trouble with my rex

[barren zephyr]

yeah dilos are an annoyance to sucho kind cause they think sucho is still weak to bleed so they get overconfident and get 1 shotted with the great alt sucho has

he even has a great bleed resistance.
dilo deals like 20 bleed to it because of weight

[shell willow]

dilo's bleed is 50

[barren zephyr]

weight

[shell willow]

ah

[barren zephyr]

decreases bleed dealt

[misty island]

I know a bandage fix

Change the spawning point

Into different new lakes

And ban ppl from camping them

Then let carno run freely on the beach

And the pit

And the great canyon

[shell willow]

the map isn't complete

[misty island]

Bandage fix we talking. About

Are we not....?

[shell willow]

you didn't say bandage fix

you said fix

we don't know how things will change

[misty island]

Okay fine

Bandage fix the

Then

There

[lilac swallow]

@soft scroll alt turn, btw a giga shouldnt engage a rex, Rex is the fighter not giga

[soft scroll]

@lilac swallow so do we just let a Rex kill all our little Gigas and alt turn isn’t on all servers either way Rex’s are a tier up on Giga’s

[hasty parcel]

and even then I've heard they're actually quite equal right now

also, no alt turn servers are obsolete

[lilac swallow]

Alt turn is on all official server(the ones that matters) and rexes are supposed to crush everithing they can catch thats why they have that shitty stam

[soft scroll]

Yeah I understand that Rex’s should destroy but like what are giga a supposed to do when a Rex comes ? Run it out of Stam and pray to all gods he doesn’t get one bite in...

[misty island]

Bait run

[hasty parcel]

If the rex is stupid, the giga can still win

[lilac swallow]

Exactly, giga is only a bit slower butvhas almost 2x Rex stam

[hasty parcel]

I've seen it happen

[misty island]

Usually

8-9rex space

A giga can get away

7> he can clip ur tail

[lilac swallow]

Rex has to be like 25 metter from a giga to catch it

[misty island]

6> turn and fight

[soft scroll]

Yeah I’ve killed Rex’s but the smart Rex’s are God’s walking on earth...

[lilac swallow]

If you were playing on official the giga's godly al turn make it arguadly the best dino

[soft scroll]

I’ll have to try official I guess

[lilac swallow]

On official no one messes with a giga, except a rex, but Rex has to be very close to a giga to ambush it

[soft scroll]

It’s 4 am trying not to argue 😅 have a good night and thanks for the reply

[lilac swallow]

Np

You are reasonable

[violet magnet]

giga has a bigger stamina pool than rex, rex can only run for thirty seconds

and giga regens stam when trotting

[misty island]

Dude ur late

He headed to bed

[barren zephyr]

giga fucks up allos and whatever nothing can defeat giga unless its a another giga or a rex

[lilac swallow]

I once tested with my bro, and a rex with ambush has to be like 24 meter close to a giga without ambush. Using rexwhole stamina

Thats a fair margin

[misty island]

On a side note

@lilac swallow how long is a Rex in the isle

Just wanna see if my estimations were right

[lilac swallow]

If the isle Rex is real sized It should be 12 meters

[pulsar lake]

The size is 9 isle unity (cube on Dev test)

[misty island]

Then it’s 9 meters

One cube in unity is one meter

Then the 24meters doesn’t feel right tho

For a Rex to catch a giga

Both without ambush

[lilac swallow]

I said 24 metter because i thought brex was 12 in, if rex is 9 is just 18 not 24

Actually it is 2 rexes length of distance

[lone pagoda]

Saw someone suggest the no-pattern variety option to be turned off. I really hope this doesn't happen as I prefer it off. Not all dinos look like plastic toys without pattern variety, and I feel like colors look prettier with the variety off.

[misty island]

@lilac swallow wtf I got caught by a Rex without ambush on both sides longer than this distance

[valid flower]

@glass blaze So?

It's still in the game

Some people play servers where it is realism and sandbox

[misty island]

Yes you are right Jerry

But devs themselves said they need to focus on balancing survival and recoding atm

Don’t think they have time to tune sandbox rn

[lilac swallow]

@misty island idk, you were on test level? If not It may be that he went more straight than you

[misty island]

U might have to wait

Probly

It was an skirmish engagement

So maybe that’s the case

[lilac swallow]

Remember in a chase, each turn is worse for the hunted than for the hunter

[misty island]

Ya I know

But you know

Trees

A lot of pine trees

Or else he couldn’t have gotten that close

But ya

[lilac swallow]

Yeah, even if i think that gigas shouldnt fight rexes i still think that apexes shouldnt fight carelesly between each other

[misty island]

Well

It’s not you but your Dino dying after all

[lilac swallow]

Yeah

[misty island]

If death is the only punishment

It can only get people to respect it so far in a game

I mean it’s fucking fun to ambush another Rex as a re

Rex

[lilac swallow]

I loved the idea of not being able to die for bleed if your sit but that only makes rexes face tank gigas and trikes without caring of dying for bleed later

[misty island]

Mmm

Not true

[lilac swallow]

Yeah a Rex cant face tank a trike

[misty island]

They still take a huge risk of others hearing the fight

[lilac swallow]

But It still can take 1 or 2 stomps and then sit

[misty island]

Specially if one roared in the beginning

The solution to that maybe an idea suggested by someone else

[lilac swallow]

Yeah, but knowing how empty tye v3 is due to only having 100 slots is pretty probably no one heard you

[misty island]

To make getting hit sound louder

Not the impact sound

But the creature screams

When getting hit

Ya

That too

200ppl like igp would be nice

But again they are still in early access

So

Another possible solution would be ai predators

Who would track blood

Abd would have a spawn rate where ever there’s blood according to the amount

[barren zephyr]

@wicked spire Is the removal of Family Share confirmed? If so, would you mind leading me to the sourcE?

[wicked spire]

Is what im going off, it's possible that it's not a global option, but i personally think it should be, so i opted to leave a suggestion here 😃

[barren zephyr]

That's server specific not game specific

[violet magnet]

it is game specific

[barren zephyr]

The option to enable or disable Family Share has been there for months

It is not

[violet magnet]

the config was broken for the whole game

[barren zephyr]

Yes, and once it's fixed you can configure a server

[violet magnet]

"broken in a previous update and not fixed"

[barren zephyr]

That doesn't mean it's game specific when it comes to Family Share

There will still be server with it enabled

since it's a configurable option for a server

But thanks, I understand what you meant now @wicked spire

[wicked spire]

Apologies for any confusion

I've updated my suggestion as to not misinform or confuse anyone else 😃

[barren zephyr]

I like the "You get banned, you're banned for good" aspect of your suggestion. Right now, the only limit a repetetive rulebreaker has is the amount of shared accounts he's able to "tick/activate" from his main account. With the bans being for all dinosaurs that come from that account I think people would take the rules a lot more serious too.

What I don't really get - you're suggesting to disable Family Share so people have less dinosaurs that can be controlled by the same person, but giving them different slots just takes away an additional step and therefore makes it even easier to abuse it, or am I getting that wrong? @wicked spire

[wicked spire]

Policing through a sea of family shared accounts is near-impossible for the devs, especially since IP bans isn't a possibility right now, and even if it was, various services widely spread and used by sketchy players (communities) would make even that a chore to do.

To make it easier on not just the developers and admins who would be tasked with this job, but also the players, since logging to swap to another dino if implemented as a character slot option is vastly more straight forward compared to logging into other accounts, making more emails, more steam accounts ectect.

Also, i think dondi and the rest of his team should be getting something when it comes to revenue, when we're talking about people having more accounts.

I personally wouldent mind buying a second copy if this made it in, to have 4-6 dinos on one server. Knowing that people who play sketch, would be punished account wide if/when caught, and that my loss woulden't have been for nothing.

Only thing i would walk away from, is if the amount of dinos you can store on a server is too large, or the character slots becomes a microtransaction option. and that is simply because of the potential for abuse.

[violet magnet]

if family sharing was totally disabled, and everyone could have two dinos per server by default, it would maybe cut down on the number of exploiters

unless the exploiters are rich and go make more accounts on steam and buy the game on those

[wicked spire]

well, there's definately communities that would do that. I've seen it in ARK: Survival Evolved throughout my 7805 hours in ark.

However if the servers are well active, and the tools are polished (replays already an option). catching the exploiters/cheaters would become much less painfull, and if they insist on buying the game 50 times every week, thats money dondi and his team can put to good use to the benefit of us all!

[violet magnet]

@hidden yacht nightvision works in replays

and i'm pretty sure it's been said that recording will be getting fixed with the recode

[blazing charm]

@jovial blade Suggestions that are positively received usually get pinned in #general-feedback

So while I like the idea, it is kinda already being done.

[torn thistle]

^

[jovial blade]

I feel it would be better in a channel though

Not many would even know about going into pinned messages

[blazing charm]

True, but the devs and mods know

And that is what really matters.

[torn thistle]

Mostly devs.

[jovial blade]

Mhm but people can get inspiration from others

Also shows us they're actually looking at suggestions

[torn thistle]

Well, I get the feeling most of what'd be posted there would get deleted.
Unless you mean the mods / devs scrolling up through #general-feedback and pulling whatever looks good out and reviewing them then.

[jovial blade]

Just what they like they can pick out and put their suggestion in noted suggestions

@jagged badge That would literally break combat

[blazing charm]

Learn to coordinate hunts.

[jovial blade]

Imagine adult rexes just face tanking some one and not having to worry about team hitting

[jagged badge]

As in a setting for certain kinds of servers

[violet magnet]

turning off friendly fire would mean that the entire pack could mob something all at once and not have to worry about hitting each other

[jovial blade]

Why would that even be a feature

[violet magnet]

just coordinate ur hunts

[jovial blade]

It ruins combat

[jagged badge]

To avoid murdering a herd mate or something

[blazing charm]

Again, learn to coordinate.

[violet magnet]

take turns running in

[jovial blade]

You dont get the point

[jagged badge]

As in a miss click

[jovial blade]

Lol that's your fault

[violet magnet]

then...don't?

[jagged badge]

That’s why I said a server setting

[jovial blade]

You want a whole mechanic just because you miss click some times

😂

[jagged badge]

Well if it’s a mistake you can’t really stop yourself unless you see the future

[jovial blade]

Or you just dont put your hand on your left click

If you're that damn clumsy

Lol

[violet magnet]

if someone in your group is constantly "misclicking" i might be tempted to "misclick" them a few times to get them to stop, jus' sayin'

[lament thorn]

i can just imagine allo packs mobbing a maia

truly terrifying

[vestal rune]

maybe make it herbi only, that would definetly bump herbi numbers up

[lament thorn]

but they could just sit inside of each other when being hunted

[blazing charm]

That would still be horribly abused

[vestal rune]

would bump up herbi numbers though

[torn thistle]

Friendly fire being disabled isn't gonna happen.

[lament thorn]

sorta kinda breaks combat

[vestal rune]

ye no, friendly fire disabling is a horrible idea

[barren zephyr]

so whats new on the bary doc

[blazing charm]

Just brought back an old mechanic, being able to forage through dried up riverbeds and lakebeds for hibernating critters.

[balmy patio]

Highlighting same species dinos sounds like a real nice set up for hungry dinos. I’m sure affinity will come into play to prevent players killing the same species, but that doesn’t mean they won’t. And why bother searching for AI by calls when you can just pull up another player’s silhouette.

[blazing charm]

Updated it with some potential risk with large beasties

[barren zephyr]

so il guess something like lungfish on a dry season

riverbed

[umbral prairie]

affinity should not affect killing your same secies too much (at least as a carni), It is not a bad thing that apexes can hunt their own species

[blazing charm]

Pretty much Zenith.

[torn thistle]

Zenith I swer.

[lethal sparrow]

Baryonyx being a mud rooter that eats anything fleshy is a really neat idea. Fits well with his style of violently crowbarring into any opening in the ecosystem. Eat small thing, eat big thing, eat carrion, eat fish, and now cracking mollusks & crocodylids with his jaws, essentially foraging for meat. Helps distinct Bary from Suchomimus the ambush predator & diving fisher, and Spinosaurus the lake cleaning bully.

[blazing charm]

Wasn't exactly the intended idea, but glad you think so regardless.

[lethal sparrow]

Question is, should rooting be an exclusive Baryonyx habit, or something any diving piscivore can do, but that Baryonyx is especially well suited for due to its medium size sweetspot?

Austroraptor is at risk of being eaten by AI crocodylids if he isn't careful, Sucho and Spinosaurus are possibly a bit too big to benefit from the smaller mud game, prone to spook the mediums into burrowing deeper or slithering away before they can be dug up, but being in a decent place to benefit from crocodiles and Koolasuchus. Mud foraging is feasible for the other piscivores, but should it be kept on Bary to retain a sharper distinction?

[blazing charm]

Personally, I wasn't 100% sure about the mud digging thing, hence why I put it in its' own category, though I honestly think if it were to ever happen, I think it should be an exclusive trait.

[lethal sparrow]

Bary's already got the shell cracking trait in your hypothetical doc, plus the hot-or-cold based pressure sensor, so it makes sense that the species would sniff around for mollusks.

Unrelated to Bary, when's the next Acro revision coming? I happened to like that concept document quite a lot out of all of them.

[blazing charm]

I already did it.

But uh, I feel like at that point the Bary might be leaning a tad too much towards the convoluted, while admitedly I wanted to come up with as many possible ideas for Bary, so that ultimately the best ideas can be chosen. Currently apart from updating the doc regarding information about aquatics, sucho, spino or even fishing in general. I'm probably gonna leave it alone for now.

Although, if everything I have proposed in the document was debunked, shot down or made completely obsolete i'd happly just start over from scratch.

[lethal sparrow]

You could always split off some of the fat- IE the shared mechanics and possibly waterbed foraging- into a general spinosaurid document, then prominently link it in the Bary doc. Lean things out a little.

[blazing charm]

Hmmm.

That's actually not a bad idea.

I think I'll save that till after the code rework, though.

Uh

Wrong channel

[fossil barn]

Ops

[blazing charm]

#general-feedback You wanna put it here.

[lethal sparrow]

That'll take a more complete codebase and a lot of optimization. Also, what Jaffad said.

[blazing charm]

But yeah, Isle for consoles would probably be a shit ton of work, we can't say for certain if it would ever happen.

[south flower]

did you just react to your own comment, king

[blazing charm]

I was about to say.

[south flower]

oh lmao

[fossil barn]

I was adding reactions

In order to add reactions you must react

[south flower]

You

no

[blazing charm]

Yeah but, not on your own suggestions dude.

[indigo sun]

Generally people do that themselves to othher's suggestions

[fossil barn]

Oh

[south flower]

people can react to it without you putting a reaction down

[lethal sparrow]

This is silly.

[blazing charm]

You add reactions to OTHER peoples' susggestions to show how you feel about them. Even though SOMETIMES all we want is actual criticism

[south flower]

but no, the game is nowhere close to being ready to be put on console, so you can just push that dream aside oof

[blazing charm]

^

[lethal sparrow]

While I'm twisting your ear, Jaffad, I had been gumming on a couple things for Acro, if that's appropriate to discuss without a recent revision.