That is not challenging
#general-feedback-discussion
still temple
And with how current ai works, carnis are following in the same direction as well
barren zephyr
Omnivore would be even less challenging than that
misty island
True that
still temple
Having food handed to the player on a silver spoon is not good game design
paper oriole
sit at lone pond and hunt the AI that spawns like 20ft away cus its a sloped area lol, so challenging
still temple
Oh look that’s sucho gameplay in a nutshell
barren zephyr
and then get eaten because a roaming bigger carni smells the small rib you leave everywhere
misty island
Hahahahahha
jovial blade
Lol
misty island
So true
blazing charm
That's an AI issue, nothing to do with if something was an Omnivore
blazing charm
That doesn't exist.
misty island
But no
jovial blade
Is there no ai option
barren zephyr
if you reduce the amount of AI or Bushes, it'll impact herb and carni population more than omnivore's one
since they don't give a flying fuck they can eat litterally everything
blazing charm
You currently can't edit AI values.
still temple
No such thing as “high” or “low” ai
misty island
Omis are not compatible with the current game build
still temple
Just a marketing tactic to lure players in unofficial servers
misty island
No matter food wise or gameplay wise
misty island
Lol what
jovial blade
I've fallen victim to it
paper oriole
"this server has double AI haha"
misty island
So there’s no high ai?????
paper oriole
paper oriole
well, in the end it will be up to the devs if they find omnivores to be worth a shot. as of now they are just a fun little topic to discuss
and if they could find a way to make them engaging (if they decide to try it)
misty island
That’s why I was trying to get ppl to figure out why should we put them in
But we got diverted anyways
barren zephyr
As new species come on board are there any plans to increase the server cap of the official channels?
high geode
Omnivores could come with challenges like only being able to eat certain plants, or maybe not being the strongest which would have them scavenge instead of hunt
jovial blade
^
Literally what they can take on is Utah juv babeis oro and taco
Or they scavenge
Also that's a good idea having certain plants they can eat it may even be small so it doesn't give that much hunger
barren zephyr
You do realize "specific" plants as food is planned
high geode
Yes but there will probably be multiple options of herbivore food, making omnivore eat only a few of the rarer ones would make them less overpowered
And weaker so they don’t hunt larger things
barren zephyr
that sounds overly complcated
jovial blade
Not at all
barren zephyr
and at some point, that omnivore willg et in competition with someone else
high geode
Yes, and?
jovial blade
Have a specific type of plant that is edible but is very scarce
barren zephyr
so basically, an omnivore isn't in competitioon with only one diet group, but with all of them
barren zephyr
because you're eating their food
high geode
Scavenging is when you eat unclaimed or unfinished bodies
jovial blade
^
barren zephyr
scraps
Yeah, tell a cerato you're not being in competition when eating a carcass
because that's its job
jovial blade
Only thing you're competing is for oto and tacos
barren zephyr
and people don't leave their food unfinished
jovial blade
Oro*
Not every dino can eat ribs
Also most dinos leave the ribs
I almost never see some one guarding ribs
barren zephyr
You clearly never saw a pack of allo cleaning a carcass
jovial blade
They usually eat the body to ribs and move on
barren zephyr
because they leave nothing
high geode
So you’re telling me there is not going to be 1 unclaimed body on the map. That is highly unrealistic. Example: a Rex kills something and ribs are left which they cannot eat
jovial blade
So now you're reffering to a specific species?
high geode
That is just stupid to say.
high geode
Bruh
high geode
Sloup you are now resulting to very weak points to back up your arguement
jovial blade
Yep
Setting traps
He went from being competition
To talking about allos specificly
No one really claims ribs unless it's the huge ribs
high geode
And sloup there is such thing as a Dino being full and simply leaving the carcass and moving on
high geode
I believe one of the main things I’ll be doing with flyers is scavenging aswell.
jovial blade
^
high geode
Easy to spot bodies
jovial blade
But according to sloup
They will all be guarded
And eaten
So no ribs on the map sorry :(
high geode
That’s enough mon he backed off lmao. But yea I dont think a very good point in an argument is simply “scavenging doesn’t exist”
barren zephyr
oviraptor would be a nice addition as a weak opportunistic omnivore nowthat i think about it
paper oriole
^ exactly
blazing charm
I leave for 10 minutes and this is still going?
barren zephyr
omnivore players
of course it keeps going, their 300iq discussions are like them, they can't starve
white falcon
I think an omnivore that gets less food from each bite overall would be a good balance- they can eat a lot of things, but they don’t get much from anything. Keeps them from being full 24/7.
high geode
^
white falcon
I’d love to see omnivores in the game, and some creatures in the game were theorized as omnivores, sooo maybe possibly? Ehh?
barren zephyr
Or you know don't have omnivores
high geode
I would like to see oviraptor too. That seems fun
blazing charm
So, I could just go Omnivore to fuck with people by eating everything like a locust?
high geode
I mean sure u do u
barren zephyr
some creatures theorized as omnivore
I know where this is going and I won't want it to go where this is going
white falcon
With the size of V3 I doubt you could eat everything everywhere. If someone noticed you were eating everything in an area you’d probably be killed for their own survival, herbivore or carnivore
blazing charm
@high geode that's me saying it's exploitable
high geode
Ik
I’m just theorizing here I don’t completely support omnivores
I think it’s a possibility
That’s all
barren zephyr
...
white falcon
This is why they’re suggestions not “gods decree to be added to the game”
barren zephyr
@hollow imp You do know that humans have been apart of this game alot longer than dinosaurs
I'm not sure if they are serious
And by that i mean in the games concept not the actual gameplay
or if it's a joke/shitpost
lilac swallow
In fact humans were planned before playable herbis
blazing charm
Pardon?
high geode
I saw a animation of Rex holding it’s hatchling/juvi and i think that’d be really useful for flyers because hatchlings will most likely not be able to fly. To get water/migrate and stuff
hoary ocean
wait, this guy fr?
barren zephyr
I don't get why people don't want humans that would make this game far more unique than projects like let's say Beasts of Bermuda
blazing charm
We've gone from abandoning a game to be frowned upon, to being encouraged.
What the actual fuck.
hoary ocean
no need to mention other games but...humans aren't even being worked on rn? why they say stop trying to implement them
barren zephyr
Also i don't understand why someone would wan't a expansion pack Jurassic World Evolution has had so many and people have abandoned that game due to it
JWE
many expansions
What?
Expansion packs are most of the time just a waste of money
you complain about JWE having "too much" expansion packs?
there's like, only one real expansion pack and it barely deserves that name
it's DLC at best
Yeah guess your right
I'm pretty damn young (23 at the end of the month), but am I the only one remembering what a real "expansion pack" used to be?
and god, why would someone want the dev team to quit the game and not implement something that was planned from the start?
Because "realism"
"lol"
And dumbass people that only wan't dinosaurs
hoary ocean
I remember games not having expansions or anything, you get the entire game and boom. But yeah anyway I think they must've got confused, thinking the devs are focusing on humans
barren zephyr
Maybe
Or they're trolling
So, what you're saying, there are actual people that are really believing that you can just go in an early access game, totally ignore the dev's plans and the theme of the game, and casually ask they drop everything because you only wanted ONE part of the game and not the rest?
You are telling me this is real and not the meme it's supposed to be
...
wraith trout
So with the way the isle community shortens the names of Dino's I don't think nigersaurus is a good idea
barren zephyr
^
still temple
when you just wanted to name a dinosaur from it's place of discovery
blazing charm
The creature itself wouldn't be a good idea because how it literally offers nothing unique
barren zephyr
Nah, Jewb-... you know what I'm just gonna call you "bacca" now, especially with the topic at hand
I'd say it's not because how people shorten the names, I think it's more because
- people don't know their grammar
- people don't know their damn geography (especially americans, because their educationnal system doesn't goin much depth about other continent and their contries)
- a bunch of players are actually kids, and if Nigersaurus is in, "Mothers complaing about violence" will be the last problem on Don's list
- because some people are somehow all 3 above and can't stand the letters "nig"
nah King
You forgot it has a "funny face"
blazing charm
Nigersaurus should be an Omnivore, clearly.
barren zephyr
it has a duck's face
just like Corythosaurus, Parasaurolophus, Maiasaura, Shantungosaurus...
Suprised it isint a mineralvore
eating the ground and anything with it
and ducks eat worms, so yes, Obsureafricancountrynamedlikeariversaurus shoud be an omnivore, clearly
wraith trout
His feature is the n word pass
still temple
can you not
barren zephyr
I knew it would happen but fuck, man
blazing charm
Can someone please post a good suggestion so we have something to talk about.
barren zephyr
well.....
hoary ocean
yeah so I suggested what should go in the Extras Gallery while ago saying it could be community voted in-game screenshots but what about dino interaction clips as well
barren zephyr
baby carrying
Only carnis could do it, herbs can't
it's giving an andvantage for one entire diet type, not worth it
there
now please someone post a good suggestion
high geode
W o w
hoary ocean
I mean suggesting what should be in the Gallery is pretty good but I guess not something that can be discussed. I'm assuming you're looking for Dino suggestions
barren zephyr
Yeaah, I guess it doesn't apply to things suggessted "for the server"
vestal rune
why do people fucking want that?
jovial blade
That would be toxic
vestal rune
it's not realistic and it would suck just randomly losing your dino to some fishing flyer
jovial blade
I rather not want flyers dropping juvs for fun lol
vestal rune
^
high geode
Eh true
vestal rune
realism doesn't matter, but I'd stay it would be better to stick to a realistic flyer setup to avoid cancerous behaviour
so no carrying and no dive bombing
high geode
Yea hopefully fishing gets added along with flyers, cuz realistically that’s what they do
vestal rune
ptera would do that
high geode
Ye
vestal rune
I imagine quetz would be a scavenger and juvie killer
jovial blade
Quetz will be so toxic
high geode
How so
vestal rune
no?
vestal rune
quetz isn't bigger then an apex
it'll probably weigh less then an allo
also, I think it's rather obvious they won't be able to attack mid air
or they will but they'll fucking die if they try
like I said, realistic flyer setup is the best way to go
high geode
Ye I think quetz will be around Utah strength or less not sure tho
vestal rune
ye, it flies
though tbh I wouldn't be surprised if quetz would be a danger to a mid tier, maybe a single cerato or a single allo at most
barren zephyr
high geode
Ptera will be pretty weak. I think it’ll have more Stam tho
vestal rune
though obv only on the ground, where it's really slow
barren zephyr
I rather not want flyers dropping juvs for fun lol
eagles grab goats and let gravity do the work for them... so...
Someone, at some point, is gonna suggest it
Not me tho
vestal rune
the thing is
vestal rune
eagles have talons and are designed to do that
ptera has flat feet designed only for basic walking
I never understood the whole pteras picking up creatures thing, it's just so ridiculous
barren zephyr
I mean, something that can fly and peck at you and you can't do shit about it but go in the forest
jovial blade
Isnt pterandon small?
jovial blade
I just dont want this to turn into ark survival
Soon quetz will be picking up humans
jovial blade
And transporting them
vestal rune
quetz will not do that
vestal rune
I'd actually quit the isle if dondi actually added that
jovial blade
Lmao
vestal rune
bloody go to BoB
hoary ocean
Isle will never turn into another game as long as its called isle
high geode
I don’t think humans will be able to even ride on them
unborn quail
They wont
high geode
That’s a bit op scouting and stuff
jovial blade
I'm interested how humans will work
I feel like it will either be amazing or just bad
vestal rune
we did get a decent bit of info
jovial blade
I kind of like just being a dino gameplay
vestal rune
mercenaries will be able to easily kill dinos with guns, but the guns and ammo will be incredibly rare
hoary ocean
Well they will have to survive as well but differently
jovial blade
They will have to get materials and craft the guns aswell
high geode
Monk I think without humans it just feels like a dinosaur simulator. Once humans come it will actually feel like the story of the isle
vestal rune
I don't believe there has ever been talk of crafting but idk
from what it sounded like I think you just find resources around the island and from drops
high geode
Can’t wait for redwoods to make another appearance too
hoary ocean
It's just all that old stuff is old. The newer gameplay for humans could be a lot more different
jovial blade
:(
jovial blade
That was sarcasim
barren zephyr
lol, humans willbe able to eat dino meat... it's just not recommended
high geode
Yea Ik but there’s a difference between Dino’s and humans
barren zephyr
yeah, there's the fact we can eat canned food
jovial blade
Tribals wont be doing that
high geode
Tribal will probably eat mostly herbs
barren zephyr
inb4 "opposable thumbs are too OP, pls nerf"
jovial blade
They will be eating vegetation berries and dino meat
hoary ocean
Well Tribals are technically same thing as cannibals now
high geode
Small small small Dino’s we’re talking juvis dyros and hatchlings
high geode
I’m talking about solo
jovial blade
Oh solo yeah
hoary ocean
Depends how coordinated that tribe is
high geode
^
high geode
A spear would be like a splinter to a Rex
hoary ocean
A tribe goes against a Dino thats been playing Isle for years is fucked.
jovial blade
Idk
Human might be more flexible
Like climbing up and throwing spears down
But there will be a gap vs mercs
Mercs will shoot a whole tribe down
Lol
I'm fascinated how it will all work out
lilac swallow
While not against im very afraid of mercs
barren zephyr
tribal
solo
I'm tempted to post a pic of the skiing teacher from south park because "You're gonan ahve a bad time", but that'd be shitposting.
high geode
If I was tribal I’d just ovoid mercs and try not to start a war. Though you do have to remember that tribals will be able to “tame” Dinos and use them as weapons as well
jovial blade
Ooo
barren zephyr
but yeah, you're gonna have a bad time as a solo tribal
jovial blade
Lmao
lilac swallow
It wouldnt be fun losing 7 hours because a dude with a gun felt like killing you
high geode
You won’t have full control over the Dino
high geode
Lengendary it will take a lot of guns to kill an apex
jovial blade
^
lilac swallow
I hope
hoary ocean
Humans will be able to base build. But it can only be one base. Not multiple so traveling will be a 24/7
jovial blade
Unless they have a elephant gun
Or a really modern sniper
Yikes
Hopeduly it's only like hunting rifles
Semi auto
dreamy wharf
They’re going to have “big” guns.
jovial blade
How will mercs get food
high geode
Canned food and veggies
dreamy wharf
They’ll have to scavenge for food.
jovial blade
Will they have to eat dinos and get berries etc
dreamy wharf
No.
jovial blade
Zann how do you know so much lol
hoary ocean
Also note that Humans and Dinos will be pitted against one another but they won't be the only threat. The Island itself is a threat and the environment.
dreamy wharf
I’ve been around for a long long time.
jovial blade
Have the devs released this info?
dreamy wharf
And besides, I just remember what don says on streams.
Yes. It was during the stream where the tribal temples were shown off.
As well as the water compounds.
jovial blade
Oh yeah they will have environmental threats
high geode
Ye a lot of them too
hoary ocean
Don't forget about the Horror plants. They'll take parts away from you that you didn't know you had
high geode
They want the environment as dangerous as the Dinos
dreamy wharf
Yeah, I guess those exist.
jovial blade
I just hope its rare
barren zephyr
hopefully it's only hunting rifles
how will mercs get food
Okay, genuine question, on a scale of "I played when TSL rex was a thing " to "how do I burrow?", how fucking new are you, Monk?
jovial blade
I don't watch the streams at all
high geode
Bruh
hoary ocean
Damn
high geode
Streams are hella important
hoary ocean
I'd suggest to start binge watching dondis streams. I still do. Mainly clips now.
barren zephyr
This explains a lot
high geode
Yea I’ve been shoving in as much info as I can only flyers
I’m really excited for them
high geode
Nah I’ve been waiting since like 2016 for flyers. So happy they’re making a comeback
jovial blade
My dream is to be a deinosuchas hiding in water and then popping out the water at night when some one is drinking
barren zephyr
I don't watch the streams
I hope for you you at least watch the clips from those streams
I really hope for your sake
hoary ocean
Deino is the most anticipated. Don't know why. I really just want a complete Isle game at this point.
jovial blade
Complete game?
high geode
..yes
jovial blade
They haven't even finished the recode
You will be waiting ages
I wonder how many different type of dinos they plan to add though
barren zephyr
Wow
jovial blade
I'm going to watch the streams now
hoary ocean
It's been awhile for me. I got the game late 2017
jovial blade
Yikes
jovial blade
Sloup I just play the game
I only recently joined this discord
I dont even play on offical servers
barren zephyr
...
hoary ocean
I experienced some of the old mechanics and was around before everything was removed. But I'm patient and have great hopes for this game.
jovial blade
Ping too high on them
barren zephyr
if I were you, I'd delete the last one, not because of me, but, really, you better
jovial blade
Delete what
barren zephyr
the bit about "playign on official"
jovial blade
Why
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr Leave him alone he is new.
hoary ocean
If I were new to any game. An official server is what I would want to join. To get a full experience
barren zephyr
We should be welcoming new players.
jovial blade
I will rubber band all over the place if I played on offical
hoary ocean
Rubber band was so much more worse trust me
jovial blade
It's so annoying
barren zephyr
Just
jovial blade
I've lost so many fights
To rubber banding
It looks like I'm biting them but in reality they're ass riding me
barren zephyr
hot
barren zephyr
He doesn't use his youtube
Look, Aki, I'm not trying to throw them out or anything, but I wasn't aware and ... they are making mistakes here and there
jovial blade
I usually get news of the isle from anthomia
jovial blade
But I'll go over dondis streams
barren zephyr
see this is what I'm talking about
normal fern
That explains everything
barren zephyr
If they go out publicly with that, I'm gonna be the last of their problem
Anyways imma go play the actual game instead of having a fight over it. ta~
hoary ocean
Wait that recent suggestion though 
Stego why
barren zephyr
what stego?
hoary ocean
What Stego posted
barren zephyr
yeah why not
if people who want it fund the model, animations, textures, rigging, sound recording and mixing, stat balancing and animations
hasty parcel
You gonna keep saying that now? 
barren zephyr
I think, yeah
so people who absolutely want their "donut steel dino" are happy because they can hope (and they better have a lot of fucking hope ) and if they are enough madlads to actually get $10k and give it to the dev team, that's money for allt he res tof us.
hasty parcel
Lol
high geode
I wonder if mammals will ever appear in the isle
hasty parcel
Humans
hasty parcel
:^]
barren zephyr
I think I'm even gonna copy the sentence in a textbook file for when people post suggestions about their "favorite dinos" and say it's unique when it really isn't or it's just stupid and has no reson to be ingame
Nah other than humans
if you listen closely to the night ambiance, you can hear some rodents or squirrels, so here it is, we have mammals ingame
hasty parcel
jovial blade
Hmm would anyone even be interested in playing rodents lol
You allready have the dryo anyway
You can dit
Dig
jovial blade
We already have oro and taco
hoary ocean
Who knows. There's been people who suggested playable caterpillar
barren zephyr
hasty parcel
Playable arthopleura
barren zephyr
progression 2.0 where u go from utah pack into an ant colony
oak shale
Someone just suggested to stop making humans
When the story and such literally revolves around them
P A U S E
stop right there
indigo sun
I dont think they know how important humans are to the game
barren zephyr
You're late, m8
oak shale
I know
lilac swallow
There are even human building in the map
oak shale
Just felt like chipping in
And humans are quite important to the story
The isle from what we know so far
It’s mainly been about the quest to create the perfect organism
From what I can infer
With things like prehistoric creatures mutating into strains and entirely new organisms like the matriarch
It’s rather easy to see
And obviously humans would be involved tinkering with dna and crap to cause these things to occur
indigo sun
"Stop making humans despite the very obvious human structures littered throughout the maps"
oak shale
Ikr
vestal rune
and there's gonna be no-human servers anyway...
I don't know why people don't realize that
why suggest ruining the game for others when you're gonna have the game you want anyway?
indigo sun
Oh humans are gonna be an optional thing for servers?
Like, the option to have them
Neat
versed blaze
I wouldn't count on that
indigo sun
True
versed blaze
No mods exist now.........no Dev Kit.
vestal rune
I'd say there's a decent chance there'll be an option for humans, I mean there's an option for alt turn which is an important part of the game
Yes lethal
versed blaze
Alt Turn option is going away
versed blaze
Dondi has stated so
vestal rune
fix stuff
including the dev kit
I don't think it's a stretch to assume once humans are fully added dev kit will be fixed
he said he was going to remove it, yet it's still here
indigo sun
Alt turn option is being removed after the recode, or possible with it when it comes. They're gonna put animations with it
umbral prairie
why do so many people not want humans to be implemented
vestal rune
idk
umbral prairie
I mean there are going to be dino only servers
vestal rune
yes, like I said
umbral prairie
so why do they still suggest to leave them out completely even though they were planned for ages
maybe they just don't know that there are going to be dino only servers
indigo sun
I think they just play the game for the dinosaur aspect and don't pay much attention to the lore.
white falcon
@barren zephyr I was talking about adding an omnivore in here and your oviraptor was exactly what I meant by “they eat everything but have worse food”- good on you for being able to explain it 
barren zephyr
your welcome i think you said something about it getting low food from plants so it has expand its diet to live so i got the inspiration from that
white falcon
Maybe for an omnivore that was more or less 50/50 on food would get less food from meat if they ate only meat over time and less from plants and they’d need to eat more of the other type to get back to full food per bite
quick orbit
@regal pecan Tell me what you did not like in the suggestion so I can improve it.
spiral pond
Ok so let’s start off with para
Para just shouldn’t ever run nearly 40km, it would run down dilos and cera again
Para just needs a really really small speed increase
I think that herbs should be able to smell in rain
barren zephyr
rain sniffing is out of the question
spiral pond
Why tho
quick orbit
I understand, but besides being very slow to grow it, it is difficult to defend itself from other dinos like Allo @spiral pond
outer nebula
the point of the rain system is to help players loose other players
quick orbit
@barren zephyr why?
quick orbit
I said I was just snorting food, not other players.
spiral pond
And para and allo are the same speed
outer nebula
you dont get your full sprint speed tell your full speed, its the same for every dinos
outer nebula
welp then you have to decrease the kick damage
spiral pond
0.5 km speed increase would be pushing it
But why
You have to stand still to use kick
outer nebula
well with the allo hit box you can be a bit away from it and still hit it
quick orbit
write a little slower so I can accompany you please
spiral pond
But tbh allo can’t get run down by para
Cause bleed and ambush exists
And allo has better trot
And better stam regen
outer nebula
i can understand giving para better stam regen then it be better
white falcon
Para isn’t the best when hit and running, especially with having to stand still to kick. I think a slight speed boost would help it, not enough to outrun an ambushing allo, but definitely a sprinting one.
spiral pond
Almost nothing can outrun ambushing allo
What I’m suggesting is make para 34.5 km and allo 34.2km
quick orbit
I love Paras, and I know he is reasonably strong, but for you to get kicked many times you need to take a bite, and he does not have a good regen, that leads him to death very easily
spiral pond
You mean bleed regen ?
Yea para bleed regen sucks
It’s bleed res is really good tho
quick orbit
@spiral pond yes, heal too
spiral pond
Well I mean
quick orbit
@spiral pond I was attacked by a dilo, he gave me 4/6 bites, I killed him but the bleeding left me in the last stage
spiral pond
Idk about bleed heal
I’m on fence about it
Since para needs a weakness to bleed kinda
quick orbit
the heal regen is horrible too
it takes you a long time to recover 100% of an attack
languid ember
Oh god, 39.5 km/h para would be cancer
quick orbit
@outer nebula on the rain, it was only for the herbivores to be able to sniff only the food at long distances for example
@languid ember studies show that it actually had approximately this velocity
I know it would be difficult for smaller dinosaurs to try to attack you but that's how it works, you have chances, attack something smaller (young) and survive or attack adults and you will probably die
outer nebula
ik but the problem is that the rain is suppose to cut off people from surviving. if herbivores have the ability to find food in the rain carnivores cant find their food. its not like you cant find herbivore food without sniff its an off green color. im just saying if you take away the survival aspect of it then whats the point having it in the first place
languid ember
«Studies show»
Why tf does that mean it should run that fast ingame
spiral pond
Actually carnivores can find food so much easier then herbivores
Since ai screams their locations at you when it’s raining
languid ember
It would run down ceratos and dilos, allos too if it has the balls to fight it
spiral pond
But yea a para that fast is a no no
leaden night
@languid ember Para can run down Allo now so that really isn't a good excuse
They're the same speed and Para has more stam
spiral pond
Eh
leaden night
spiral pond
Except allo can easily stop the para
leaden night
Allo is a bad example
languid ember
Oof, i thought u were serious for a sec
quick orbit
@languid ember it can not be so fast, but it needs to be faster than the allo with 2 bites, just let it stand
languid ember
Ditto you do realize we’re talking about a 39.5 km/h para right
outer nebula
it also warns herbivores that their a carnivore in the area. the rain is a trial that give player a challenge. if you take that challenge away then whats the point of the trial
leaden night
Yes I do
And I was solely referring to Allo being a shitty example in the run down department
spiral pond
Otherwise yes I agree with Ditto
quick orbit
write sloooooooooowly pls
sacred wyvern
39.5 is faster than hypo giga
spiral pond
Para just can’t be that fast
languid ember
Not really because while the para can run him down now he can’t just run away once he starts the fight, if he’s that fast he can just leave when he’s loosing
spiral pond
What you think about 34.5km para Ditto ?
leaden night
I could care less about Para speed buff
fervent smelt
why speed buff it
languid ember
No need for a small increase tho, pointless
fervent smelt
if it can already fight it off a small increase could cause it to be able to hunt it off
small increases lead to big changes
quick orbit
what speed would you accept?
spiral pond
A para pretty much can’t escape allo packs
sacred wyvern
to be fair
outer nebula
the problem is that its fine if the para uses it for running but the player base doesnt do that
sacred wyvern
allo packs should be able to kill paras
fervent smelt
whats the speed already at
leaden night
@outer nebula A slight speed increase wouldn't change much really
lilac swallow
Once a para gets a bit It cant run away due to bleed, but allos can be last screen and still run aways because they arent bleeding
outer nebula
you be surprise @leaden night
languid ember
Para has around a min more stam than allo, if the allos trot/track him down then that’s fair
spiral pond
How ?
languid ember
Para has a minute to escape and hide
leaden night
Para was slightly faster than Allo just a little while early
spiral pond
Scent
fervent smelt
your right a slight increase might be benificial bc if it cant escape it a sitting meat ppile basicallly
sacred wyvern
if it was a herd of paras
languid ember
You really overestimate scent
leaden night
The run down issue doesn't exactly exist anymore because Allo can very effectively kill Para
languid ember
It’s nor easy to track something that jas been running at 34 km/h a minute longer than yoy
fervent smelt
scent is not really useful until close
leaden night
Compared to back in the 40+ km/h days with the 2 shot kick
spiral pond
Still too much
sacred wyvern
maias a diffrent story with dilo
spiral pond
But yea technically para is weaker then allo
sacred wyvern
with sucho and giga its out stamming rex
spiral pond
Allo gets 3 shot by kick
quick orbit
@spiral pond if I'm in for I know what I can and what I can not attack, if I saw an allo certainly I would run, cerato maybe, dilos nor think
spiral pond
So it has more then enough time to bite the para enough
sacred wyvern
u said the para is the same speed as allo
spiral pond
It is
sacred wyvern
so
spiral pond
So ?
sacred wyvern
cant u just chase it once it goes for u?
sacred wyvern
that wont matter
spiral pond
How so ?
sacred wyvern
once u have it on last blood screen from 2 hits
outer nebula
you can take a hit from an allo
spiral pond
Also ambush
quick orbit
if you chase you'll die
sacred wyvern
let it use its ambush
outer nebula
not really
sacred wyvern
in a 1v1 u knob it twice then head it
spiral pond
But yea allo can always pull out of the fight
But it’s kick is rather slow
While the allo can assride you before you get it off
outer nebula
well if your a lone herbivores then yeah you are easy prey
spiral pond
Para alt turn is slow
quick orbit
I do not know if you like but try to play in some realism server without the alt
sacred wyvern
i play without alt turn more than i do with
quick orbit
It's horrible to play with the para
lilac swallow
"If you are solo herbi you should be easy"
spiral pond
^
outer nebula
thats the point
sacred wyvern
well
outer nebula
herbivores shouldnt be alone
sacred wyvern
1v1 wise against 2 of the same skill level
spiral pond
“If your a solo carni, you should be strong”
lilac swallow
The points is not being able to form an herb at all because no one plays herbi due to being easy solo?
spiral pond
Also carnis are almost never alone
sacred wyvern
well thats the fanbase
sacred wyvern
im a solo carno half the time
lament kayak
Some dinos just suck solo
sacred wyvern
mini we did a 1v1 of maia v carno on deathmatch
lilac swallow
If a dino isnt viable solo people simply dont play it therefore is imposible to group
lament kayak
just make sure you avoid allo packs and ambushing apexes
outer nebula
are you kidding a dibble can easily shit on every mid teir carnivore
spiral pond
Maia can only kill carno if it can kill the carno fast enough
spiral pond
It’s dibble
lilac swallow
An utah and a dilo needs a group but is perfectly fine without it
lament kayak
if the allos want to die in the process
outer nebula
also i killed allos as maia
sacred wyvern
also what bleed were u on before u died?
spiral pond
I know
lilac swallow
Why herbis should be diferent?
spiral pond
I think 1 bleed
lament kayak
I have died to two allos due to lag and one being a coward
spiral pond
But I realized why I lost
lament kayak
even though 3 more came, only two really did damage.
I guess you have to kill the allos quick or you'll bleed as a dibble
spiral pond
I made the fight long, so while you were healing, I was bleeding
sacred wyvern
yea
torpid wedge
it bothers me when people suggest lots of things in one list
torpid wedge
so i may agree with some and not all
lament kayak
Maia can also bait
spiral pond
Same Toshi, so that’s why I’m neutral
sacred wyvern
so can carno o3o
lament kayak
allow a carno to run into but swerve before it does and smack it
Although
i find a carno can out turn a maia using trot/run
spiral pond
It can
spiral pond
Wait carno what were you doin at the forbidden Nycta server ?
lament kayak
thats why when I fight 5 maias I make no progress
sacred wyvern
which one? o3o
spiral pond
Deathmatch
sacred wyvern
ive seen u on it more recently
spiral pond
I might play on it cause I find herds easier as herbi
sacred wyvern
why herd on a deathmathc server
sacred wyvern
id assume u break all the rules o3o
sacred wyvern
u did a good thing then
spiral pond
When I kosed 3 sub trikes long ago in dilo pack
Well it was when NV was super broken
And 1 time I broke discord rule
sacred wyvern
ya know they dont even control when hypos come on
spiral pond
But I live in Europe so they are never there when I play
sacred wyvern
it was the week before the H carno and stuff came
i also live in europe
and i saw the hole hypo stuff go down
spiral pond
Oh
Welp I have my sleep schedule
Cause I wake up at 6am no matter what I do
Also this is wrong channel for this
barren zephyr
I'm wondering what's going to happen with suggestions that get upvoted a lot, does anyone know that?
I feel like it's pointless to bring up ideas at this point of Development because they're all too busy coding/doing other stuff?
barren zephyr
🤷🏽 ??
sacred wyvern
faster than utah with about the same turn so dryo doesnt get bullied
though i dont think it should have a good ambush to keep the utah fanboys happy
barren zephyr
Is this a suggestion or a comment for a suggestion?
If you want to suggest a new dinosaur best to do it in the right channel
outer nebula
we discuss the suggestion
sacred wyvern
so i thought putting its speed here
barren zephyr
I must've missed that one then, my bad
lilac swallow
@willow zealot i once had the same idea
But i think that dinos shouldnt understand what the human are saying they should only hear a very modified sound
So dinos cant take advantage by hearing what humans are talking
indigo sun
Its a neat idea
sacred wyvern
i want suchosaurus
sick haven
I wouldn't actually mind the dinos understanding human voice comms
it adds a bit more of a tactical aspect, get the humans to be more careful about what they say
and lorewise the dinos are humans in dino bodies
versed blaze
According to the lore, you are actually a human conciousness put into a dinosaur for testing
lilac swallow
Yeah but the only fact that they are allways talking is enought to play tactical against them, but is true that Lore part too, so everithing can happen
versed blaze
SO it would be reasonable to assume you could understand them
lilac swallow
Yeah
sacred wyvern
thats porb why u cant understand dino roars as ur dino
humans should be able to use voice chat ingame o3o
versed blaze
Yes
sick haven
Less limited than the dino text chat
lilac swallow
But dinos have a chat, this is maybe their way to Talk, an actual animal don hear a friendly broadcast and hear"calm down im friendly" but as i said i dont mind and everithing can happen
sick haven
and I think it's important that the humans have voice comms, since I believe they'll be much more teamwork focused, less able for lone survival
especially stuff like the mercs
blazing charm
Why do turtles keep popping up lately?
Like, I've been noticing them alot lately
Not that I am opposed to them.
vestal rune
xenoraptor really wants them
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr TRUE forgot about them.
pulsar lake
I think trike should have his current turn radius but a big damage buff and little bleed nerf with the arrival of stegosaurus.
barren zephyr
Well im not oposed to a crocodile eating turtle eating juv deinos and what not
misty island
If they really put different strains and human into officials I ama stop playing the game lol
versed blaze
5 years? I'd say two maybe.
misty island
Where did this guy come from he’s so serious
versed blaze
lulz
glass blaze
@shut gale we've been repeatedly told that herbivores will not have strains; not even all carnivores will have strains, and the ones that do may or may not get all four. That being said, it would be interesting if every dinosaur was capable of being a carrier for a limited amount of time.
shut gale
The point of that is to give an end game goal for people to aim for. I'm not sure why herbies won't get strains... just seems like a loss imo....
indigo sun
wasn't the strain thing supposed to be tied to affinity. also, think about it, if youre designing the perfect creature, an herbivore would not be it. mods will probably give herbies strains eventually
shut gale
I understand why there aren't "elders" in the game.
But when you get fully grown even with perks... not sure what is meant to keep players from just getting bored and leaving, since we haven't been told much about what they plan on doing after that.
violet magnet
strains are perfect killing machines, it wouldn't make sense for an herbivore to be a perfect killing machine
shut gale
Think having strains as a next step to aim for would be amazing. and not just this brute thing thats gonna run down everything it sees. Players will get tired of that quickly
leaden night
I mean a lot of them are
shut gale
@violet magnet no but they could be surviving machines.....
violet magnet
herbivore elders would be nice, though, so herbivores will have some means of defense against a hyper instead of just getting steamrolled by it
shut gale
just seems like a loss of potencial... but i could be wrong..
misty island
Well I had a suggestion once saying we could have a system that rewards older dinos
A small buff on their states per 20hrs they play after they reach adult
Or traits gain by specific actions
But being able to evo into strains a bit too much tho
shut gale
yeah that seems like the affinity system they will implement tho
misty island
Spend 24 hrs growing herbis then feed ur friend on an alt account
Then have them do the same
shut gale
ok i see that based on what they are right now
misty island
Then run over everything in the server
shut gale
but i would want them to be strong but balanced. not just run down everything
Strains i mean*
yeah exactly...
they would have to balance them
in this scenario ofc*
jovial moss
the perfect creature wouldn't be a carnivore, if you're looking for max effieciency and survivability an omnivore is the most adaptable
indigo sun
I think theyre more meant to be killing machines than the perfect organism, or maybe they became killing machines in AE's attempt to create a perfect organism
Though yes, the perfect survivable creature would likely be omnivorous
jovial moss
Oh yeah true
pliant ember
Hypo Herbs can always come in mods ¯_(ツ)_/¯
odd idol
@thorny lynx No ETAs and please don't post in #general-feedback if you don't have a suggestion.
pliant ember
But I don't see it happening
Unless Dondi changes his mind
thorny lynx
Fine... I just want a fix for this nesting issue
indigo sun
Hypo herbs wouldnt do much besides cripple herds food wise
shut gale
You're saying it wouldn't be cool to have a magna trike for example leading a herd?
just this buffed up monters ....
thorny lynx
You keep forgetting that these creatures have an incredible metabolic rate and require insane amounts of food.
pliant ember
Hypos have constant starvation
So hypo herbs wouldn't be as sustainable as carnis
Or sustainable at all
indigo sun
Think about how much food trikes consume already. Then think about how much food a hyperendocrin trike would eat
indigo sun
The herd would kick it out because itd eat too much
shut gale
yeah hypos would have to live alone
thorny lynx
How long does it take for an adult trike to starve?
shut gale
most likely
indigo sun
Not long, considerring the trikes in my herds alway get up to eat every five minutes
shut gale
but magnas... could live in herds with normal trikes
just being a bit stronger than the normal counterpart
indigo sun
I think the only current magna is the rex likely because of how popular and strong the rex is
pliant ember
It would die because of how much food it would need
Carnivorous Hypos can kill a camara and live for a couple more time
But herbs would need a lot of plants to live for a couple hours
thorny lynx
I believe like, one huge bush would fill a hypo trike like... maybe 5% and it starves within 30 minutes
shut gale
it would give players something to aim for... once they're full adult..
indigo sun
Unless theres like a magna giga, i think rexes are the only ones getting magnas without mods
thorny lynx
I mean, hypo rex's dossier states pues are staples of its diet. PUES.
Magna rex is considered the perfect organism
shut gale
Last i checked magnas were gonna be the main focus
of the dev team for a bit atleast*
Yeah so magnas would just the a normal trike that looks different. and is stronger...
thorny lynx
And eats more.
thorny lynx
A lot more.
thorny lynx
Magnas rex weighs what, how many tons?
indigo sun
You cant have something that huge and strong without it needing a ton of food to survive. It cant just bbe an epic creature with no drawbacks
shut gale
draw back is
thorny lynx
I imagine magna trike eating like a camara. Eating everything in one bite.
shut gale
there will be other big creatures to kill you aswell
wtf?...
it would still be an herbie chill ... x)
thorny lynx
Ever been a camara on sandbox? It eats any size bush in one bite
indigo sun
Nothing if it doesnt have a hunger increase or some form of weakness. It can kill pretty much anything hunting a herd. Its not guaranteed that there'll be hypos or another magna to possibly kill it
It'd just be an overpowered trike killing off any carnis trying to hunt a herd
thorny lynx
The point of having a hypo/magna anything is to balance out the ecosystem.
You wipe out vegetation, you don't balance. You destroy everything
shut gale
that's all details that can be changed fluff....
thorny lynx
Wipe out the apexes, now you have something more manageable.
shut gale
numbers...
thorny lynx
That's how ecosystems work tho
thorny lynx
You get rid of the vegetation, entire ecosystems collapse
which is why hyperendocrin herbivores is not a good idea.
thorny lynx
Hypos are meant to eat apexes and other large herbivores, then die
How about YOU think for a second?
shut gale
you're brabling about random stuff ...
thorny lynx
Actually, no I'm not
indigo sun
Hyperendocrin and magna herbivores would be incredibly detrimental to every player. The increased food need would wipe out bushes in an instant, starving herds and killing every carnivore, pissing off people who just want a meal.
thorny lynx
^^^^^
shut gale
they could simple increase vegetation...
thorny lynx
That's what I'm trying to say
shut gale
tadaa...
thorny lynx
Why play herbivore when some fat motherfucker is going to eat everything and die of starvation in the end
cyan flame
Well, hypers are one thing, magnas are not quite the same, you could create some sort of "magna" herbi that could work out, and hey, maybe such a critter would be cause for herbi migrations then if they wipe all the food in one area? :p
thorny lynx
Beats the whole purpose of playing the damn thing. You're not doing anbything good for yourself, for other players, or for the ecosystem. At least, as a hyper carnivore, you wipe out huge megapacks of chinese players and alt accounts and give servers and the ecosystem room to breathe for a bit
shut gale
yeah
thorny lynx
Hypo herbs are waste of spaces. They eat plants and die and do nothing good for the ecosystem
shut gale
you think hypos are only gonna kill mega chinese packs?
thorny lynx
I know this, they eat everything
shut gale
ish you're not open minded at all...
thorny lynx
That's the point. They set the food chain back to 0.
indigo sun
It's not not being open minded. It's about being practical and logically thinking about how strains can affect other players' experience with the isle.
shut gale
Hypos from what the devs said yeah
thorny lynx
They're literal nukes that self-destruct when they finish the jo.
shut gale
but i doubt that will be fun
getting run down. pressing H and closing the game..
thats the game play for someone that gets spoted by one..
"fun"
thorny lynx
It's not supposed to be fun
shut gale
yeah not like its a "game"
thorny lynx
It's a consequence to having the ecosystem unbalanced
thorny lynx
yeah
slow roost
That won’t really fix people megapacking when they can slaughter everyone else in the server
indigo sun
Thank you boston
shut gale
if they survive in a 20 man pack of apexes
slow roost
You’re welcome
indigo sun
Even 8 is too many apexes, not just 20 packs. They can murder like everythig
thorny lynx
Hypo herbivores are a bad idea because they do not contribute to anything to the ecosystem, the server, or to the game other than 'o it looks pretty'.
Why not just have a roster of hypers if they're so much better than regular dinosaurs
slow roost
I’ve literally had packs of over 40 raptors that got on just fine, screwing everyone over with hunger changes won’t solve anything
thorny lynx
Let's just have a herd of hyper trikes
thorny lynx
Now you are getting my point
shut gale
in a herd...
yes..
even alone would be hard
but that doesn't mean you will clear the Big ass map that V3 is...
thorny lynx
What's the point of being a herbivore when you have nothing to hunt you, nobody to herd with, and everyone's pissed off in global because you ate everything in the map
Then you just die alone and useless with no purpose
Hypo/magna herbivores have no purpose
shut gale
not every herbivore needs to be played the same ...
no need for giant herds... some could prefer 1-2 players group. others even alone..
indigo sun
Herds are what make herbis fun though. A pair of herbis is boring as hell
slow roost
Herds are created for protection and to scratch the social itch. Lone herbs are extremely rare for a reason
shut gale
its a game .... it can be something that they make fun...
indigo sun
Why would you want to be alone though? It's a multiplayer game. It's not fun being on your own
thorny lynx
How is a lone herbivore going to be fun?
"Oh, there's a pair rexes. I just 3 shot one. Look, its mate is running away."
"Oh, there's a herd of trikes. They're 3 calling me... great. They're not gonna let me eat."
"I'm starving. I've accomplished nothing with my life."
The end.
shut gale
think i'm sure you can figure it out..
slow roost
Also groups of carnis will wreck your shit
The other day my pack of dilos took a trike with no casualties
indigo sun
You shouldnt have to work your way to fun gameplay when everyone else os having fun normally. You should be able to have fun.
shut gale
I mean if you were lets say a hypo trike alone... even a pack would ... be affraid
shut gale
who said it would run down carnivores?
indigo sun
What else is it supposed to do. Theres literally nothing to do on your own. Theres no other species to talk to, no babies to listen to, no friends to chase around. Theres nothing to do except kill carnivores or just give up and die
shut gale
Finding food would be a constent need for example.. so you wouldn't have time for much else
self defense...
thorny lynx
And what fun is constantly looking for food
thorny lynx
If we have hypo herbs