general-feedback-discussion

[open sedge]

YES!

And maybe something with water sources so that larger dinos have to find bigger water sources, preventing apexes from growing by those little pools in the mountains.

And there should be different spawn locations for different dinosaurs. Right now, dinosaurs who aren't the best at long-distance travel are at a disadvantage because everyone spawns on the beach, sometimes very far from food and water.

Maybe spawn locations for dinos who aren't very good at long-distance travel could be not too far from their preferred biome.

[shell willow]

Sucho spawns near murky, swamps, lazy river, and titan are most preferred by me... I can't travel for shit

[paper oriole]

the beezes could spawn in the swamp areas, like the swamps in thenyaw dont spawn AI inside them currently but they could spawn beez and maybe a small crocodile type like Australerpeton who would act similar to the velo in swamps

[barren zephyr]

@warm steeple why

[shell willow]

Because thermal vision is kind of interesting if only a few dinos could use it. I don't think any dinos on our current roster would have a use for it, but maybe some in the future could use thermal as part of its niche. @barren zephyr

[leaden trellis]

@shell willow but think about it like this. thermal vision is used by snakes, and snakes only to my information.

[shell willow]

Yeah, I did say future, not current roster. I was thinking Titanoboa would have thermal as an option.

[jagged badge]

Am I the only one who thought Coelophysis would be a cool dinosaur to have in the Isle or games like it

We never see anything of it anymore and it’s a really cool dinosaur

[paper oriole]

looks kinda like a compsognathus with a longer neck, think either could work

[wintry cipher]

@primal minnow the map can only handle a max of 140 chars before ai go wonky. (40 ai per 100 people) ...plus with the hitboxes as bad as they are i dont think anyone wants to see what happens when theres lag in the mix to boot XD

[restive iron]

so how does AI actually work? how do you get AI dinos to spawn in? do they spawn in when only theres carnivores around or does does it matter if its a herbivore/carnivore? do they spawn in if you are alone? near warer sources? How does it work exactly

theisle wiki doesnt tell me much

[earnest cave]

@primal minnow if eu1, eu2 get 150 slots my pin wid be around 580

With 100ppl my pin gets to 300/280

[open sedge]

Coelophysis could be cool. Don't know how it would fit into survival though.

[compact coyote]

pretty sure para is in a good place atm

[floral plover]

It's not.

It's free food.

[compact coyote]

how so

[floral plover]

Uh a Rex can almost catch up to it.

And it basically can trot and make it waste it's stam.

And then run and kill it.

Same goes with Giga.

Same goes with Cerato.

[compact coyote]

just stay in the open

[floral plover]

Diablo is almost faster than Para.

Pachy is faster than Para.

[compact coyote]

you kill ceratos easy

its not free food

[floral plover]

Doesn't make it okay then again, there are a lot of good cera players.

It is free food.

[compact coyote]

you 3 shot allo with kick

really?

[umbral prairie]

both giga and rex are slower than para

[floral plover]

A kick,

And a headbutt that u keep missing with.

I'm aware of that Sammel.

[umbral prairie]

giga is a problem because of it's fast trot and regen stam while doing so

[floral plover]

Rex/Giga can easily kill Paras.

Again it's a hadro not an anky.

[compact coyote]

dude, stay in the open as a para, you outstam rexes tenfold and giga can only catch you in its ambush

[floral plover]

So making rex do Bone break and give it godly speed, and a lot of dmg and a very high weight class makes it okay, but Para with not that much dmg, and not that much of a good turn radius can't have a speed?

Warm, that makes no sense.

Fresh Adult Paras take forever to grow.

U need to be a fully grown to outrun.

[umbral prairie]

rex has about 5 seconds of full speed ambush, and it gets 60-70 meters far with that, if the para runs away the rex needs to get very close to catch the para

[compact coyote]

it literally makes every sense, you cant get ambushed if youre in an open field as youll be able to see the ambusher

[floral plover]

Read what I said.

Rex can be a god, but Para can't get a lil love to the speed?

Warm.

[compact coyote]

giga can only catch you in its ambush which lasts 8 seconds?

[floral plover]

AS u can see, the map keeps getting trees.

Puh-lease, one giga bite can kill a Para.

Just trot it down.

[compact coyote]

twins, titan, and that new river opposite of twins across the landbridge

those are open

[floral plover]

Oh really lmao, the most popular lakes?
btw Titan has a lot of trees.

[umbral prairie]

the map could use some more open areas

[floral plover]

Twins is very popular.

[umbral prairie]

but I think para speed is fine

[floral plover]

I don't.

Allo can outrun Paras I think?

With their speed buff?

[compact coyote]

but para 3 shots allo

[umbral prairie]

yeah because before paras would run down allos

[floral plover]

Well

Rex 2 shots Paras and everything else.

Except for the bigger dinos.

[umbral prairie]

and paras chasing allos around was ridiculous

[floral plover]

Well too bad this server doesn't have a rule that prevents that.

[compact coyote]

so? it only runs for 30 seconds, it cant regen stam in trot so if it fails to catch you it aint catching you

[floral plover]

It's not the dino's fault, it's ur fault for being spotted by one.

Doesn't make any diff Warm.

Para is a hadro, not an anky or anything else.

Every Hadro is fast.

Fast enough to run from everything.

[umbral prairie]

same could be said for para, with the 'fault for getting spotted'

[compact coyote]

it outruns anything it cant fight

your point?

[floral plover]

I'm not saying give Para a speed buff that's faster than a Maia

[umbral prairie]

it's your fault letting a rex close enough that it can get you with it's ambush

[floral plover]

At least slightly slower than a Maia.

[compact coyote]

you know what that means?

[floral plover]

I never said I did get killed by a Rex did i now?

[barren zephyr]

para 3 shots allos

shutup

[floral plover]

With a kick.

[compact coyote]

we're back to square 1 where para invalidates allo cerato and dilo

[floral plover]

Don't tell me to shut up.

[barren zephyr]

yea and?

[umbral prairie]

yeah but you complain about it being free food which it really is not

[floral plover]

With a kick, not a headbutt.

Headbutts keep missing.

[compact coyote]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

and?

[umbral prairie]

unless you play like an idiot and don't run away

[floral plover]

It is free food.

[barren zephyr]

tell that to devs

[compact coyote]

youre not supposed to kill with headbutt

[barren zephyr]

^

[floral plover]

I'm pretty sure they are watching this chat Chungus.

Did I ever say the headbutt needs a dmg buff?

[compact coyote]

you use the kick to defend from allos, you 3 shot allos with a kick

[floral plover]

No I did not.

Then again the Kick isn't a fast attack.

[umbral prairie]

making para slightly slower than maia would be very weird

[floral plover]

The Allo could get many bites in.

Para needs a lil speed buff

Again I didn't say make it Maia's speed.

[compact coyote]

it does all its damage in a single hit im pretty sure

[floral plover]

Warm.

I can tell u don't play Para at all.

[compact coyote]

i do

thats the thing

[floral plover]

Well good for u then.

Anyways I'm not gonna argue with u, cause it wouldn't lead to anything ur just gonna argue and argue and argue, I got better things to do, toodles ^.^

[compact coyote]

the only difference between us as para players is that i can agree with para not needing a buff cause its fine as is

[spiral pond]

What is this about ? I agree with DarkBeauty here, para would be fine if allo didn’t get a speed buff, now a single allo can smash para if good enough

[compact coyote]

its speed and stam is fine, you can fight allos easily and outrun any of the apexes

simple as

[spiral pond]

But gigas can trot you down forever

[compact coyote]

it doesnt need a speed buff cause then it would invalidate dilo allo and cerato again

[umbral prairie]

if good enough, you can solo rexes as dilo

[floral plover]

Thank u Mini, don't waste ur time arguing with these ppl, clearly they wont understand.

[umbral prairie]

that argument is not really good

[compact coyote]

@spiral pond thats gigas thing

it trots you down

[spiral pond]

I’m not saying make paras dilo speed

Make them between cera and allo

[compact coyote]

thats why you keep running when one is chasing

[umbral prairie]

so they can run allos down again

nice

[compact coyote]

^

[spiral pond]

How ?

[floral plover]

AGAIN there are servers with rules and servers that allow killing for sport, it's ur fault that u play on killing for sport servers, then complaining that u got chased down it's ur fault that u suck at being sneaky, not the dino's fault.

Anyways I'm not wasting my time here anymore, goodbye have a nice day.

[spiral pond]

If you get killed by para with headbutt as allo you suck

[compact coyote]

cya

[spiral pond]

Allo can easily bait the kicks

[umbral prairie]

then I'll use the same argument

[spiral pond]

Also it’s ambush is goody

[umbral prairie]

it is your fault if you let yourself get seen by an apex

not the dinos fault

wow

[spiral pond]

We are not talking about apexes now

We are talking about allos

[blazing charm]

"I'm not wastming my time with this argument anymore, seeya"

That's one way to lose any credibility

[floral plover]

@blazing charm No it actually isn't, I'm not gonna waste my time making ppl that don't even wanna try understanding me understand.

I have better things to do, I stated my opinion, u don't like it I'm not gonna change ur mind, or force u to.

If u like it thanks welcome to the party.

[blazing charm]

True, but by leaving the argument in such a passive-aggressive way is a surefire way to get no one to ever take you seriously.

[floral plover]

Again I'm not gonna force u to like it.

If u don't like it that's ur choice.

[pseudo falcon]

That's not what he's saying

😧

[floral plover]

That is what his "daying" is when I start an arguement I have to stay and finish it.

But I wont cause I have better things to do.

Also ppl are very welcome to not take me seriously, in the end of the day it's their faults not mine.

[pseudo falcon]

Angry people are angry

Feelsangryman

[blazing charm]

Again, it's kinda your fault because you did something to MAKE people not take your point seriously.

It's not about forcing someone to agree with you, it's just about offering a different view on a subject

[brittle ivy]

That’s enough, now. Let’s get this channel back on topic. You two can settle your differences in DMs.

[civic sky]

Maybe para just needs missing mechanics to make it feel more rewarding for the time investment instead of a change to stats. Until then, I’d say to just stick with maia.

Think of trike, it may seem like it needs a stat change or two but can you imagine if collision and locational damage was on that thing? It would be a force to be reckoned with.

[umbral prairie]

I thought about some type of tail swipe for para, not dealing much damage but maybe knocking back smaller dinos and slowing down mid tiers, so the para can run away while the hit carnivore needs to pick up speed again, leaving the para with a head start

idk how well this would work

[civic sky]

Either that or when collision is in para could push aside an allo, it has more then enough weight to do so.

[compact coyote]

i will say this though, para does need its hotboxes fixed as the kick can hit shit behind it

[civic sky]

Agreed, hitboxes are pretty bad on some dinos.

I understand that there was a mini patch hoping to address it but I still noticed some problems here and there. Here’s hoping the recode works many wonders.

[pseudo falcon]

@barren zephyr I loved everything about adding Coelophysis up until you mentioned it's weight. Not only does everything 1 shot it, including most if not all Juvis, but it deals like 0 damage lol.

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be very fun to play if the only thing it could have any hopes of preying on are AI and fresh spawned dryos and gallis

[barren zephyr]

i mean its still a thereat to humans specially in large mobs. but i did this based on its realistic weight

but those stats are just place holders, if it was added it would probably have higher stats

[pseudo falcon]

Ok, well in that case the only change I'd love would be that if you die you swap to one of your allies lol

That would be so cool

As that way you could have one die in a fight, including the one you're playing and still finish it lol

Love the ally concept

Sounds really fun

[barren zephyr]

its a more group/horde based playstyle not to mention, imagine 5 players together, they and theyre allies would be enought to be a threat to juvies

who would not know what is a player or not

[pseudo falcon]

I mean assuming the ai share colors with you

[barren zephyr]

yeah, but they will allways be full grown juvies/adults independednt of youre growth

[barren zephyr]

@valid flower Change diddles walking animation? Are ye out of yer mind? Its the definition of CUTE. Change Trike's instead. The walk animation looks very bad.

[valid flower]

They look cute yeah but its very unrealistic and looks very silly.

[normal fern]

I feel like the para buff just weeded out the retards because all the good players seem to be doing fine with it

[barren zephyr]

its more enjoyable atleast

[barren zephyr]

How do you know its unrealistic? Did you see dibbles walk in person? Maybe they always were the cutest, with the most sassie walk. They're called 'wigglybutts' for a reason. @valid flower

[valid flower]

Not saying I know how the dibbles walk in general, just saying that their walking is too silly imo

[barren zephyr]

Also, you are a talking mouse. So who's unrealistic now!

You are silly 😭 Noone touch ma dibbles.

[valid flower]

;(.

sorry

[minor basalt]

diablos trot does look pretty dumb

[jolly willow]

subadult trike has the same sorta jiggy shit goin on but i mean

it ends when u reach adult

[barren zephyr]

@open sedge i like it but i think the playstyle would still be stale

i mean its not diferent from cerato or allos playstyle

[feral wedge]

@tiny python Don't troll #general-feedback

Only warning.

[noble dirge]

Trike trot looks worse.

They look like those wind up toys that move in a robotic manner.

[south flower]

I thought the para was supposed to be like a deer? Fast enough to get away from the creatures it cannot fight, but with enough damage to put a dent in the smaller, either equal to lesser creatures?

And there are some animals today that will run down prey like many in this game would a para.

But that’s just my opinion.

[normal fern]

@open sedge that's actually a somewhat decent creature suggestion. A rarity In this channel.

My chief concern would be whether or not this ability could be given to spino seeing as spino could function in a similar way just at a higher place in the ecosystem.

My second worry would be that a concavenator seems like an animal that at most should only be able to fight of a cerato at most even with its ability active.

Both are similar in size but cerato is an incredibly bulky animal.
Shouldn't really be messing with a diablo under any circumstance

But yeah, congrats on making the first ever good creature suggestion

[south flower]

I agree with Buff Taco, a very interesting creature - I don’t see much like this with the type of gameplay capability it could hold! 😃

[barren zephyr]

The problem i see with it is how diferent would it be from playing like a cerato

[glass blaze]

@nocturne blaze I agree. Maybe do more of a dull, bass-heavy thump like at the beginning of this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1koa2xAxCAw&lc=z135cpkyhlquvneoj04ci5uimqemtje5in00k.1547070564157571

[nocturne blaze]

👏

[glass blaze]

Not that it's super realistic given elephants don't sound like that either, but it's more pleasing to the ears and serves the same purpose for gameplay as the current sound.

[nocturne blaze]

the current sound is ear bleed fuel

[normal fern]

@desert prairie it's only "not in a good place" if you actually have no have no braincells

As I said earlier the para buff weeded out the bad players.

The good players do just fine and then you have the bad players asking for buffs instead of admitting to the fact that they suck and actually doing something about it.

Tldr: your suggestion would just lead to more brainlet paras

[desert prairie]

thats not how that works lol

let me guess you thought dilo was also just fine before the big buff it got

[normal fern]

I mean that's exactly how it works.
Some people suck and because people won't admit the fact that they suck they blame it on para being terrible.

Oh and dilo definitely needed the buff

[desert prairie]

give me a reason to play para over dibble

[shut gale]

you have the option to run vs some dinos that the diablo doesn't

[desert prairie]

Just barely out stams an allo

[shut gale]

yeah but its better than being forced to fight one or more

diablo doens't have that choice

when a pack of allos shows up

[jolly willow]

A para is still a tough prey item for an allo if it doesnt know how to bait/isn't very experienced

fuggin stupidass kick

fuckin reachin to its legs

[desert prairie]

If para is only about going fast why would I want to grow it for 3 hours?

[desert prairie]

Can I get that spreadsheet?

[jolly willow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LNIsS0NXxledmO4sYN8v7dmx5AnHIslJloyhKI9kKv8/edit#gid=0

Growth times might be fucky.

Rex and Gigas growth times are swapped

And not proper anyways

@desert prairie

[shut gale]

another Fyi sucho bleed is wrong and the para kick damage is wrong aswell

[jolly willow]

Unfortunately

I dont know who made it lul

[desert prairie]

meh idk It just does not seem worth to grow a para to me

Only redeeming quality is that they can get into herbi herds lol

[jolly willow]

Well what more do you want from it :?

Buff wise

[desert prairie]

remove an hour of growth time

[shut gale]

i could see 15-20 mins being removed in the future

[jolly willow]

^

Maybe chip off a little sure

[desert prairie]

I suppose

Idk I just dont see much reason in playing para

[shut gale]

well there's not much reason in playing any dino tbh

you only walk and eat...

[desert prairie]

Well herbs there is

oh you were being sarcastic

lol

[shut gale]

i was not..

[desert prairie]

[shut gale]

there's no content other than eating drinking / growing x)

atm at least.

[desert prairie]

Drowning

Jumping off cliffs

getting stuck in holes

[shut gale]

sounds... fun...

[desert prairie]

I hope they get a special ability

[shut gale]

yeah in the future they will i think

[sage juniper]

the only reason to play is to pvp, which is why i dont get why people play weak stuff like dyro that just sits in a hole all day and does nothing

[shut gale]

you will also have perks and stuff like that

[desert prairie]

Dryos are like raptors sitting on raptor rock

Its like tinder for dinos

[sage juniper]

utahs can pvp at least with a pack

[desert prairie]

They said once the post code rework happens a bunch of stuff will come out

[sage juniper]

dyro cant fight anything

[desert prairie]

w r o n g

dryo can fight AI

[sage juniper]

i bet thats fun

[jolly willow]

Well yeah thats the plan. After recode there'll be a flood of mechanics n shit

[desert prairie]

So is sitting in a bush for 6 hours

[sage juniper]

i feel like after you spam your calls for a bit theres nothing left to do

[jolly willow]

Dryos a joke but at least hes a viable joke

[desert prairie]

Lol

[sage juniper]

dyro sees a dino, spams his calls to be annoying and get his attention, then when it walks over they sit in their hole and keep spamming calls

thats the entire play style

[desert prairie]

That or they are scouts for herds

[jolly willow]

I mean

there's not exactly much you can add to it

as a dryo lol

[desert prairie]

true

[sage juniper]

dyros spam calls nonstop, if im playing a dibble or something im ignoring it, its like crying wolf

[desert prairie]

Thats why you give them a love tap and hit them

[sage juniper]

can dyro even survive 1 hit from any herbi

[desert prairie]

nope lol

[languid ember]

yes, galli

[knotty ember]

why is there no spawn killing restrictions/prevention like eg a 60 second time limit or player attacks first/ attacker receives the damage?

[torpid wedge]

because a person can decide where to log out and to find a safe spot

[feral wedge]

The final spawning mechanism isn't in. For now admins bop people that do it because they're not supposed to.

[torpid wedge]

oh i thought they were referring to log in not fresh spawns

[noble dirge]

I would love more of an incentive to force certain dinos to use their calls instead of herds being quiet as mice over Discord VCs while carnivores are running around sticking to AI. Adds a little risk and danger to the survival game.

[pulsar lake]

I want to say, before but Idk if it's same now, rex have 60% BB

But he have more weight mass than other dino and this boost it

And it's just normal than an allo have a broken legs at the first bite because he is so small to rex

After giga is like 1/2 to break his leg

And trike like 1/3

And trike is smaller than rex

But his weight is bigger

[sacred wyvern]

@sage juniper

it survives galli 1 hit

[ocean vortex]

@noble dirge Huge stomping noises in the jungle

[noble dirge]

Huge garbage bag noises in the jungle

[spiral pond]

[pseudo falcon]

@ocean vortex Velos are AI that hunt Juveniles and small prey.

[ocean vortex]

No use when they get instakilled by a hatchling dryo

also what's worse is that they run from juvies

[pseudo falcon]

Your suggestion gives off the impression you were unaware of this.

[ocean vortex]

never as a juvie has a Velo even come to bite me

Velos are harmless specks

[pseudo falcon]

I've died as a fresh spawn Utah to Velo AI before.

[ocean vortex]

howww

[pseudo falcon]

It happens.

[ocean vortex]

just bite it once and it explodes

no it doesnt

velos are the most fragile craps

[nocturne blaze]

Velos can be a little hard to bite because they move so fast

[pseudo falcon]

Youn seem to be under the impression a fresh spawn Utah can 1 shot a Velo.

[ocean vortex]

they're not even a threat as much as they are a pest

I was thinking of AI that literally haunts you

like some sort of Dilo or Croc AI

something that doesn't let you have that feeling of safe comfort

even as an adult creature

this game is supposed to be a game where fear inflicts you no matter the creature you're playing

[pseudo falcon]

All I wanted to say, is you should elaborate more on your suggestion. As it stands it makes you look uninformed.

[ocean vortex]

sigh

I'll tweak it

[pseudo falcon]

I was under the impression you didn't even know Velos existed, and what it sounds like to me, is you'd like to see large predatory AI.

[ocean vortex]

@barren zephyr That's the whole point of why resting takes such a long time

because it's recreating predators hunting you while you sleep

they get you when you're unaware, and it's too late to react

@pseudo falcon Done

[pseudo falcon]

Awesome

[vagrant crest]

Velo is more than one bite for juvie utah to kill btw

[glad bear]

@valid flower anything involving no alt turn when discussing balance is irrelevant because alt-turn is one of the primary game mechanics

and any problems caused by it not existing shouldn't even exist because alt turn does

[valid flower]

i heard that

they are working on something

like walking back

idk

just to solve the problem

[glad bear]

iirc dondi is gonna remove the ability to remove alt turn from your server

so the utah ass riding a rex shouldn't exist for long

[valid flower]

wait so the ability to disable alt turn will not be an option anymore?

I thought it was the opposite

[lilac swallow]

If official servers have alt turn is easy to tell what devs prefer

[minor basalt]

trample dmg is planned

just don't play rex on no alt turn servers

[valid flower]

eh true

[spiral pond]

Tbh it’s not hard to get Utah off you

You can bait it

[edgy furnace]

@jaunty zealot its not a trike its an ava

[jolly willow]

Acrocantho is planned for AI

[willow zealot]

Hope Acro ai doesn't spawn when im a sub or juvie

[edgy furnace]

^

xD

[jaunty zealot]

@edgy furnace Still, having only 1 kind of large AI predator is not great

I mean the models and everythings already in why not implement other Dino's as AI

[edgy furnace]

theyre adding bigger ones in the future

[solid cargo]

It looks like a lot of people are not thrilled by my suggestion about updating the maneuverability of the Tyrannosaurs (both T. rex and Albertosaurus) to be something closer to the results indicated in the paper: Snively, et al. (2019) "Lower rotational inertia and larger leg muscles indicate more rapid turns in tyrannosaurids than in other large theropods"...

It would make rex battles more intense, and be closer to what a fight with a T. rex would be more like?

[hasty parcel]

Balance over realism

[edgy furnace]

^

[jovial skiff]

^

If it were to be realistic

T rex would just be the the dominant predator and most other carnis will be unviable

[native nebula]

it's already got pretty high manoeuvrability as-is, last I checked.

[civic sky]

As other people have said already, in this case it's balance over realism. Trex was the peak of large theropod evolution before the species were wiped out. If we go by this then triceratops would also make every herbivore irrelevant as well, we're talking about a herbivore who danced with rex and lived.

[lilac swallow]

@civic sky exactly, i also dont want a 50 km/h running giga

[pseudo falcon]

realistically I don't think a rex would want to be anywhere near an adult trike

[placid mason]

There isn't any realism in this game. T. rex outweighed the other apexes as well as triceratops but is the lightest of the bunch in the game.

[lilac swallow]

@placid mason true, and dryo weight 70 kg while in game is 700

[normal fern]

@rapid beacon if you can't kill an allosaurus when it's standing still for a full minute then you are at fault for being a terrible player

[versed blaze]

@glass blaze ny deny food you mean suicide or water or logging?

[glass blaze]

Suicide on water

[versed blaze]

Figured, just wanted to ask to be sur

[edgy furnace]

@cyan copper pretty sure that goes in #401481402782056460

Since it’s not a suggestion in the slightest

[dapper fern]

What y’all think about a pterodactyl?

[edgy furnace]

@dapper fern pteranodons are planned after the recode

[dapper fern]

Whhhhaaattt yes!

They would look amazing

Think they will also piss me off but would be a cool add

[edgy furnace]

Lol have you not been keeping up to date on anything

There’s literally a ptera walk anim in #announcements

[dapper fern]

No I’m new lol

I see it now thanks lol

[edgy furnace]

Oh lol

[cyan copper]

Oof my bad, thought I was in the feedback channel

[shell willow]

@split brook Pretty sure hyper/neuro/tisso strains will only be on carnivores, as cool as that sounds. I'd love to see some concept art of hyper pachy, but it'll probably never happen.
Also, I think it's already planned that you'll have to grow into strains, not start as them. No one really knows how it will work except for the devs, so I can't really tell you with absolute certainty.

[normal fern]

@barren zephyr are you trolling or serious?

[barren zephyr]

on what🤔 @normal fern

[hoary ocean]

@floral plover That was a thing, but got removed

[floral plover]

Ik.

[jagged badge]

@valid flower Maybe a damage reduction on the ass if you bite it for too long could fix ass biting idk how that would work though

Maybe a 50% reduction of damage if you bite more then 3-5 times

Something like that

So you have to actually maneuver in order to hunt something or kill something larger then you

[blazing charm]

@valid flower How exactly is that a suggestion?

[valid flower]

oops

wrong channel

[torpid wedge]

@jagged badge maybe the more consecutive bites you land would tire you out if it’s done quickly so it’d do less damage each time, like how jumping is

[jagged badge]

That makes sense too

[misty island]

@floral plover you can actually do that already, you go into ambush mode in carnivores and you sprint into the river

You get like a boost when taking off swimming

[floral plover]

Not for Herbivores.

[misty island]

@elfin cipher isnt that just what i just suggested earlier...?

[elfin cipher]

Nah you suggested buffing traits

i suggested making the dinosaur grow bigger

[misty island]

bigger as if just the size?

or like increase traits like BF speed etc ?

[elfin cipher]

bigger as in like it never stops growth

its just really slow

bite and stamina etc all buffed as well, just very slowly and very little

like, an allo is 350 bite force at its size, right?

well an allo at a rex's size with have... about 450-500 bite force and be quite big

it will still lose against a rex, but it has a small chance to fight it off

[misty island]

so basiclly what i said....okay

[elfin cipher]

no not at all

i didnt see your post till i posted mine so no, not coyping you

You suggested no growth, but buffing stats

through killing and living

[misty island]

its okay man

i am not saying you are copying me

chill

[elfin cipher]

i suggested growth and buffs through just living and getting bigger

yeah, yeah you did mate

i'm not salty, just explaining the differences

[misty island]

ya okay i am sorry if i offented you

now chill

[elfin cipher]

again, not salty jeez

i think both ideas are good

[misty island]

k

[pulsar lake]

Buff the weight mass, the bite force, nerf the turn radius and the speed. The acro will be good after

[barren zephyr]

oof. I just realized that my image is hard to see unless you're on a phone. rip my post.

[vestal jungle]

yeah, i'd just type it up if i were you, throw it in a doc if it's over 2k char

[jolly willow]

@strange cliff Cerato will never and is never supposed to have a proper/good ambush

That's his catch, trading ambush speed for general speed

Maybe if the ambush was increased to just 1.2

[strange cliff]

he gets bopped by utahs and dilos easily

[jolly willow]

Instead, buff his bleed res

[strange cliff]

he cant catch either and is bled out

[jolly willow]

He does need a bleed res buff

His res rn is garbage

[strange cliff]

utah gets ambush and general speed

he s hould atleast be able to catch a utah running normally if it ambushes

[jolly willow]

I guess

[strange cliff]

i think cerato ambush actually makes no difference, everything it can catch with ambush it can catch with normal run

[jolly willow]

well yeah again thats what they wanted

ambush speed traded for general speed

[strange cliff]

its not like it would be overpowered with an ambush though

[jolly willow]

maybe a sprint buff? i dont know honestly lol

[strange cliff]

fast but short ambush

[jolly willow]

maybe

[pulsar lake]

No one pterosaur

Was herbivore

[polar juniper]

Cerato needs a bleed resist buff more than an ambush buff

[jolly willow]

^

[polar juniper]

Cerato ambush speed I can live with. His bleed resist on the other hand, I literally can’t.

[edgy furnace]

@random ore wait until recode theres going to be lots of new features that will make the game more fun

cause after that they can implement some new stuff

[random ore]

yes

[polar juniper]

@normal fern You should post your feedback in the Suggestions channel

[normal fern]

Why? I'm pretty sure it was just general feedback

[polar juniper]

Eh I feel it’s more of a suggestion than a feedback

I also feel like 15/20 is still a bit low if it keeps the bleed resist

It should be more like 20/25

[normal fern]

You forget that cerato would be way more agile

[polar juniper]

I also think Cerato is plenty agile already

It doesn’t really need more agility buffs

[normal fern]

Yeah it is, but it's not agile enough to massively affect ceratos hunting style

[jolly willow]

Cerato just needs the damn bleed res buff

[versed cobalt]

Hello I’m new! I wanted to download this server to see if I should get the game or not. It looks really cool but I don’t have any friends that play so I wondering if there was a way to make friends in the game of if it’s just purely about playing solo?

[desert prairie]

Dont give pachy a bone break, It will be a heat seeking cripple machine

[barren zephyr]

he wont be the only one thought

[umbral tartan]

You make shittons of friends bud go ahead

@versed cobalt

[versed cobalt]

Okay! Haha! Nice profile profile pic btw @umbral tartan

[umbral tartan]

thanks

[jolly willow]

I seriously don't get why the apex lim HASN'T been touched yet

This shit is whack

5 packs can waltz around without worry and murder literally everything

[twilit dagger]

If a pachy plays by the rules it should be fine, I.e not chase carnis or actively hunt them.

[sly ember]

would the addition of kaprosuchus require tweaks to the way we manage stamina while swimming?

[torpid wedge]

five rexes shouldnt be scared of anything

only thing five gigas should be scared of are five rexes xD

[scenic slate]

@sly ember It wouldn't be for swimming. It's built to run

[sly ember]

seems like a good idea to me then

[scenic slate]

Yeah and it would be fast too, but short burst of speed obviously

[wintry cipher]

it would get eaten by deino and any land predator with stamina. not a viable animal unless it has a unique niche proposed for it; deino has infinite growth as an example

[scenic slate]

Would be cool to have a quadruped land carnivore, (as Deino covers aquatic)

Oh hm

[wintry cipher]

which specific kapro are you talking about btw?

cuz size wise im only seeing kapro being barely half the size of a utah

which means even adult kapros would probably struggle against larger juveniles

[scenic slate]

Is the one in the pic the small one?

[wintry cipher]

im only seeing one size for what im trying to find and its the small one

by comparison to most dinos in the isle thats a pipsqueak

[scenic slate]

@wintry cipher Damn that's...kinda sad

I thought they were bigger

I don't think I have the right species then?

[wintry cipher]

explains why they ran on land. they were getting away from larger crocidilians

[scenic slate]

@wintry cipher There are some sites saying it might grow up to 20 feet

But that's like, saltwater crocodile

[wintry cipher]

by comparison a utah is about that long as well. kapros just shorter.

[scenic slate]

Damn now I'm depressed

[wintry cipher]

height wise

someone will likely mod it in once dev kit is out

[scenic slate]

I was picturing something the size of an adult allo, but able to gallop like a cheetah

That would have been so badass

But he smol

Fast but smol

[wintry cipher]

a hypo kapro would probably be that big but not normally XD

[scenic slate]

Lol

[wintry cipher]

"four legged predator" also while interesting, isnt exactly a niche

[scenic slate]

True

I just thought it would add more interesting dynamics

[wintry cipher]

an example would be utah's pounce, dilos venom, rex's crippling bite/grab, allos grapple, cerato's ability to eat rotten flesh and bones, carnos damage increasing the faster it goes, dryo's adrenaline when near predators, gallis speed in large flocks, trike's tank mode and charge, etc

these are all abilities discussed/potentially coming to the game later, if they arent changed to something better

[scenic slate]

I think maybe it would just be speed based but Idk in what sense

Perhaps since it's 4 legged, it has a faster stride

Able to cover ground quicker

[wintry cipher]

he'd be competing with carno and utah which already push 52+ km/h

[scenic slate]

True

Kapro doesn't have any special characteristics

[wintry cipher]

at best id see him using that speed to dart into water. but if that water is claimed by deinos, i dont see him surviving for long

[scenic slate]

It's just unique for being an fast crocodile

Very active

[wintry cipher]

juvie deino could very well take up the niche kapro would theoretically have as well

and grow into a formidable adult

[scenic slate]

Damn

[wintry cipher]

its like the alberto vs rex situation

[scenic slate]

Not even sandbox worthy smh

[wintry cipher]

they also have to spend close to 10k to make a creature for the game, so it has to fill a role in the grand scheme of things

[scenic slate]

yeah

@wintry cipher Do you have any other cool suggestions?

[wintry cipher]

eh. not atm. i mostly come up with them while at work so i brew over them a while

imo best way to handle suggestions right now since the devs are doing the recode: stick to simple stuff that is already in game, or something that could be improved later. like the recording thing i suggested a couple days back

[scenic slate]

Yeah that's true

[still temple]

long leg kapro is big meme

[regal pecan]

community asks to reduce the Apex limit and it seems to be in vain

the only thing that i can see for almost 2months are Apex groups...

i cant take a step without bumping into a group of 5 Trex/Giga

[jolly willow]

maaan

we're gonna have to deal with this megapack shit for all these months lol

[regal pecan]

feelsbadman

i think im gonna keep doing what i was doing...Gallimimus and kill juvie Giga/Rex..at least some will not grow 😂

[barren zephyr]

there are way more allos and dilos then apexes atm

like 60% of a server is an allo

[wintry cipher]

@twilit pewter Dryo, Maia, Pachy, Galli.

[jolly willow]

seeing more of a specific thing doesnt make 5 apex packs not an issue

5 apexes p much is a megapack, that shit is impossible to kill

they just wander the map wreaking havoc and killing everything they come across

[regal pecan]

its not impossible...you just need the same shit, a group of 5 too...which means..theres no counter to this particular issue tbh. Its just unbalanced..not to speak that its boring beeing in a server where maybe 80% are Apex players. If there was a limit to just 2 solo Apex would be viable cause 1 Rex could kill 2 for example, it would all depend on the level of skill.

and i truly believe that with a pack limit to 2 adults ppl would just stop growing them cause they would lose they re precious 6h dino to a more skilled player and mid tier dinos would have a small chance to take down a big boy..it would definitely make the game way more interesting and being an Apex would have more value, right now any dumb dumb can be carebeared to adult without any real threat cause they are protected by more than 1 adults, just lame...but thats just my view of things.

[misty island]

The issue isn’t the max apex packing number but the fact that there’s not enough admin to enforce this rule

Let’s say you only allow two apex staying together at once

Ten ppl playing rexs/giga using the same VC

[spiral pond]

Nothing except 5 man apex pack can kill another 5 man apex pack

[misty island]

Yes you see

[spiral pond]

If they are clearly working together then it megapack

[misty island]

To limit the number of apex grouping up shouldn’t be just by limiting it

Cus it won’t work

[spiral pond]

It will

[misty island]

It needs too much manpower to enforce that

[regal pecan]

it will

[spiral pond]

There’s thing called self preservation

[misty island]

The game should implement a system to limit its number by the games soft rule

[pulsar lake]

Nerf mega pack with affinity

Like mix pack

[misty island]

Not the game system itself allowing it

[spiral pond]

That you don’t wanna get reported and banned

[pulsar lake]

Spawn kill

[misty island]

And using extra manpower to enforce it

So no

[pulsar lake]

And, I've heard about this, kos

[regal pecan]

affinity wont come till the recode is solved..and thats just speculation at this point, it could never be ingame

[misty island]

Just adding a server rule to limit the max number of apex wont work

[spiral pond]

It will

[misty island]

I give up

People never read what I type

[spiral pond]

People will get anxious about packing up

[pulsar lake]

Affinity is like rex bone break or dilo night vision

[spiral pond]

With a risk of being banned

[misty island]

Gg mini

[spiral pond]

It will work kinda

I’m not saying it will completely stop t

[misty island]

Yes in ideal condition it will

But how many admin do you see on ?

24/7

[spiral pond]

But it will help

[misty island]

1admin most

[regal pecan]

@misty island admins have lifes to you know

[misty island]

At busy hour

I know

I am not saying it’s their fault

Ffs

I am saying there isn’t enough manpower to enforce hard rules

[pulsar lake]

They sleep, they have joob, family and other stuff like this

[misty island]

Because the fucking game is allowing it and adding server rules requires more manpower than we have now

Omg

And don’t fucking ping me for stupid ass comment like that

[regal pecan]

?

now now...lets not be excited son

[misty island]

No I am getting frustrated

There’s a difference

Meh

[regal pecan]

no need for frustration...

[pale prairie]

@peak zealot already planned

[barren zephyr]

@peak zealot as a game dev i would say that what you are asking them to do is really time-consuming. Animating all that fluently is hard yet possible.

I would like to see better fighting mechanics too, but at first i would like to see more dinos in survival and better optimized models with out texture glitching and other bugs.

[misty island]

locational damage should be good enought for a whhile

and once they put that system in it would just the the animation and such to add more "attack moves" is it not?

i think they are already heading there

[outer nebula]

@limber mica the body despawns based on the about of hunger points taken out of the body. the more dinos that eat out of it the faster the hunger points that go down. now rexes take big hunnger points out of a body so if a group of rexes eat out of it the body will despawn faster. this is to encourage people to hunt more

[torpid wedge]

@severe badger i understand that

my suggestion following was saying players render in as far as the foliage and rocks :)

not that they already do

[severe badger]

@torpid wedge That would be nice to have them render in as far as foliage and rocks. I only find it unbalanced and a emersion breaker to have a player with a low view distance setting being able to see through a whole forest and seeing players who should be hidden. 😅

[barren zephyr]

Any thoughts

[mental sleet]

juvenile gameplay for that animal is hell

the fat mechanic doesn't really make it unique, it is just extra hunger and water.

how will it defend itself ?

Why is it so heavy ?

How long can it run for ?

Trot/Walk speed ?

What is its attack ?

[delicate atlas]

Any clues about when Carcharodontosaurus will be implemented in the game?

[spiral pond]

it wont

also wrong channel

[barren zephyr]

@mental sleet if u read the doc there are some awnser

[mental sleet]

It doesn't say anywhere if it is using its claws or its head for the attack. Also, ''hiding underwater'' isn't a good enough method of defense when you must come out for:
A - Breathe
B - Eat
C - Suchomimus
D - Deinosuchus

[barren zephyr]

so you did not read the intire doc it seems

[mental sleet]

Explain.

[barren zephyr]

C-Sucho would get bitch slapped, so yeah it slaps dinos

[mental sleet]

So why does it bitch slap and do no bleed ?

[barren zephyr]

cause i dont want it to be

[mental sleet]

Also the range of the attack would be atrocious

[barren zephyr]

a second theri

how do you know that

[mental sleet]

Look at its head and its tail

that is ONE MASSIVE hitbox.

you could run circles around it and giggle

[rugged mesa]

Can any help mee?

[barren zephyr]

in land yes

in water

perhaps not

[mental sleet]

#🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 @rugged mesa

in water you say it walks on the water

which means it can't move vertically

which means you could swim above it and just bite down.

[barren zephyr]

yes but it can still turn

what says it cant reach whats bitting it wich its arms

[lament thorn]

i feel like this guy just isnt gonna be able to survive effectivity with so many threats everywhere

[mental sleet]

It's arms are underneat its body

it walks on the river floor

you won't be fighting off anything underwater like that

even on land, your massive hitbox would screw you over.

[barren zephyr]

perhaps its underwater combat could be changed, however in terms of breathing it would still last a long time underwater

not indefenitly, wich is why i wanted it to be at risk when leaving the water

[mental sleet]

Oh that's fine.

But how's it going to get to the water as a juvenile ?

[lament thorn]

couldnt it just be camped cause of its food drain

[barren zephyr]

at best it would need to fill its fat reserve to last longer

[mental sleet]

that also isn't a unique mechanic btw.

[barren zephyr]

meh im not a genius

[mental sleet]

it is just longer-lasting hunger and water

think a little more, edit the suggestion around

[barren zephyr]

i was manely using hippos as a reference

[mental sleet]

hippos aren't preyed upon often just due to their sheer size, the deinocheirus does not have that advantage to it.

[barren zephyr]

what it does have is the ability to run off to a diferent enviorement depending on the threat that was the mane thing i wanted it to be set apart from the other apex herbivores, its has the choice to leave

[twilit pewter]

@wintry cipher still get easily hunted down by carnos or rexes just from running

[barren zephyr]

perhaps underwater its slapping atack might be replaced by a bite, that might make it more worth while under water

also stats are made up expect weight, it weight around that IRL

but yeah i will edit it sometime

[mental sleet]

kk

[barren zephyr]

by the way what are the main issues you see with it so i can improve it

[mental sleet]

select weightmass and health from values compared to the ones in-game atm

then you can do matchups better

try to flesh out its unique mechanic.

[barren zephyr]

isint trike weight based on the real animal

[mental sleet]

don't think so, no.

[barren zephyr]

well i used the real deino weight, althought it could go to 7 tons

[wintry cipher]

@barren zephyr Utah's already planned to be able to pounce on anything -including pinning down juveniles and such. Just gotta wait for the recode so they can start doing actual combat.

So if anything it's actually planned to do something even stronger than what you suggested

[barren zephyr]

Belated response to someone's suggestion but I'm curious as to why "respawn/suicide button" requests are usually met with negative feedback. When you're trying to group with people, sometimes it can be frustrating finding a way to off your creature if you spawned kindof remote.

[wintry cipher]

It's because nesting is supposed to fill that purpose of helping people group faster.

[pseudo falcon]

@valid flower if it's getting boring take a break. It's an incomplete game going through a large amount of development behind the scenes. Come back to it in a couple months when the recode is complete.

[barren zephyr]

@wintry cipher That's fine, but consider two people starting the game together as juvi. Consider how difficult it is to find nests available without random invites unless you're in discord. 🤔

If I and a friend had just started the game today and wanted to play with them, we would be playing lottery to find each other initially

[wintry cipher]

Pmuch. And that's the thing: the game makes you spawn away from people

[barren zephyr]

if no respawn button, better systems need to be in place for grouping, nesting, and communication

[wintry cipher]

So you can't really group easilly to begin with

In order to prevent spawn camping

[valid flower]

@pseudo falcon its a suggestion, if u get triggered so fast then dont bother reading it

[barren zephyr]

Nobody was triggered. You're talking about an incomplete game buddy.

They have plans for more dinos and improved combat etc

[pseudo falcon]

I was also making a suggestion. @valid flower

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr thats a

thats already a thing

er

going to be a thging

[valid flower]

Thats why

[pseudo falcon]

Here's another one, stop whining. @valid flower

[valid flower]

I suggested it

[barren zephyr]

Jerry they already have dinos on the way. It's a small team and shit takes time lol. If you're bored play something else and come back when they've made more progress on selection and combat.

[valid flower]

@barren zephyr Thats a better mature attitude, thank you.

[pseudo falcon]

What did I say that was so bad in my initial message lol

[barren zephyr]

I said pretty much the same thing they did.

[valid flower]

You were pretty rude

[pseudo falcon]

All I said is if you get bored, take a break.

What part of that is rude

[valid flower]

telling me to stop whining

i hate being spoken like that

[pseudo falcon]

That was after you said I was triggered lol

[valid flower]

oh well, im sorry.

just forget it.

[pseudo falcon]

Will do lol

[barren zephyr]

🤔

[blazing charm]

That Oro suggestion is incredibly bare bones, the proposed mechanics don't really benefit the Oro in any meaningful way and don't have that much variation from currently existing mechanics.

If you'd be willing to try again, I'd reccomend trying to come up with some additional or better mechanics, explaining more on how these mechanics could benefit Oro's life cycle, and finally. Formatting, no body wants to read a giant blob of text.

[valid flower]

@floral plover a year? it's been 4 years actually

almost 5

[barren zephyr]

need critiques and/or thoughst

[blazing charm]

First of all, i'd honestly just get rid of the "Why:" section, it doesn't add anything to the suggestion and nearly turned me away from reading any further.

The proposed mechanic for it walking along the bottom of the water is interesting, but you worded in a very odd way.

"However it is also capable of traversing the deep waters by walking along the bottom.It can do this by using z while near the bottom to get to it or leave, it however cannot use its trot, but can walk at a faster rate with the addition of further reducing the stamina drain." So, it can't trot but it still has a "faster" walk with less stamina drain?

[barren zephyr]

yeah its suposed to draw less stamina when youre walking on the floor, but in order to do that it needs to use the z button to stop swimming to actually walk

im not good at wording

so right now sucho drains like half the ammount that other dinos do right, so when its walking on the bottom it would drain a fourth of its stamina

unless sprinting wich brings it back to the normal ammount

[blazing charm]

And what about combat?

[barren zephyr]

it has acess to a bite attack that can be aimed upwards and a claw attack that deals damage infront of it

[torpid wedge]

i’d change it to not be an apex as well. sounds like it could only herd with other of its kind since other herbies can’t enter the water, and a long time to spend mostly alone trapped near the water with other predators doesnt sound like fun at all

a fun with herbies is grouping with others, and most herds travel around

[barren zephyr]

i mean it would have toi travel due to food being scarse around the water eventually

so lets say a herd of paras comes to the water, you could then follow them to the next water source

[torpid wedge]

if a herd comes to the water

could just be camped by carnivores

[barren zephyr]

isint that the same risk that sucho has

[torpid wedge]

sucho can better defend himself

he’s not as big either i think, if this guy is huge with the blubber or w/e

[barren zephyr]

deinocheirus is said to be normaly 6 tons

some reaching 7 tons

so it could defend himself from anything that wasant apex

[torpid wedge]

what sort of turn radius?

[barren zephyr]

what do you think

[blazing charm]

Wait, for the Oro one. Are you saying Oro can just sustain it's hunger by standing idle? Or do you mean it can peck at the ground MANUALLY?

[tawny dock]

Manually, it would need to seek out trees with seeds/nuts under them to eat them and as I said in the document it would only be able to sustain its hunger temporarily.

[still temple]

"the oro looks it’s not likely for it to create burrows"
guess oryctodromeus isnt a thing

and proper punctuation makes reading a whole lot easier

[barren zephyr]

if dryo didnt have burrow then perhaps oro and taco could have had a chance

[still temple]

close relative of Oro which has direct evidence of burrows @tawny dock

[blazing charm]

@tawny dock
As for the other new mechanic, I honestly can't see how it's useful. I don't see how or why an Oro would need to nest, it's already one of the smallest creatures, a hatchling/juvenile Oro would be utterly useless and only server as Velo fodder.

The whole mud dirtying up it's feathers seems kind of arbitrary, I doubt an animal is really gonna care about getting "dirty". If you wanted to come up with an organic reason for an Oro to leave a burrow could just have the burrow collapsing, or a predator invading the burrow. You also need to consider that another animal probably isn't going to allow an Oro to just crash in their burrow, so either Oro would need to be able to dig its own burrows or some kind of incentive for other creatures to let it stay.

Going back to the seed/nut thing, while that could defiantly help it compete with other herbivores for food, you kinda need to go more into detail, where exactly would one be able to find them, how would you be able to find them among the clutter, would it be through scent and if so how easy would it be to detect them?

And again, proper formatting. This is incredibly awkward to read.

[sly ember]

I feel like formatting feedback was that maybe you could make the whole thing a lot more succinct with bullet points

[still temple]

Taco and Oro will definitely be modded in by the community, and maybe the devs could consider adding them as playable post 1.0 release.
Oro and Taco are very much low priority and will stay as such until further notice.

[mental sleet]

^

[blazing charm]

Headings, images, proper capitalisation

[still temple]

imo it would be really neat if small and large herbivores could form in-depth symbiotic relationships with each other. But again that is for the far future

[tawny dock]

I'll take note on the issues and try to improve.

[blazing charm]

👍 Atta boy

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr oh ik i think they didnt know what to do for the targeted dino

[tawny dock]

Alright I have added an image to some extent of what I'm talking about made a headline and elaborated more on the burrowing and seed/nut eating mechanic.

[blazing charm]

Okay, again. Formatting.

[tawny dock]

Ok, to be fair I'm new to the google docs thing I haven't used it to make suggestion until now. So I don't really know how the formatting works on there so I coudn't really get it to have decent structure on there with out making it even more difficult to read.

[barren zephyr]

yeah im not good either

[blazing charm]

Just watched you edit it, now I can see why everything looks so warped, you're just holdng down the space bar to move paragraphs down the page.

[tawny dock]

Again, I'm not so good with the formatting thing so I tried to make it a little bit organised, but alas it just turns in to more warping.

I try using the basic things such as space and tab to sort of indent but it resulted in that.

[blazing charm]

Anyway, managed to look past the presentation. The dirt thing still seems kinda arbitary, you're on the right track with the foraging thing but it still needs some more detail I think, still a tad vague.

Honestly, might try and do Oro myself, if you wouldn't mind of course.

[tawny dock]

I wouldn't mind at all.

[blazing charm]

Neato

[leaden night]

Jaffad doing Oro I hear

[tawny dock]

Yep

[blazing charm]

Also I'm doing Taco, came up with something super neat imo

[tawny dock]

Ooh

[leaden night]

Lazers? More in-depth pecking

[blazing charm]

You'll see.

[compact coyote]

😏

[hasty parcel]

Jaffad doing more documents

[barren zephyr]

oh nice, i wonder if my ceolophysis has anything to do with that hmmmm

[craggy river]

Carnos need buffs?

[compact coyote]

prehaps

[craggy river]

Like buff biteforce too 300?

[steady cosmos]

they dont need a buff

[craggy river]

Yes they do

[steady cosmos]

no, they dont

[craggy river]

Yes they do

[steady cosmos]

reason why?

[craggy river]

They can barely beat a dilo

[steady cosmos]

thats a lie

their speed compensates for the lack of weight and damage

[craggy river]

But they barely have a biteforce

[steady cosmos]

they give 15 bleed iirc

[craggy river]

Thats if they dont bite you

Like

Your a 1 shot

[steady cosmos]

as carno?

from what

[craggy river]

Basically

[steady cosmos]

I don't get your argument anymore

confused

@cyan flame i see you prowlin, you know carnos bite force rn?

[craggy river]

250

[steady cosmos]

thats fine rn

[craggy river]

no its not

[steady cosmos]

You can state your opinion over and over, that wont make it any better for the majority.

It being able to outrun anything in the game, on top of having high stamina, is pretty much balancing its damage out.

[craggy river]

Barely has any dmg

[steady cosmos]

You just said it had 250

[craggy river]

ye

Thats not alot

[steady cosmos]

cerato has 350

its much bulkier than carno

and doesnt run anywhere near as fast

[craggy river]

i said make it 300

[steady cosmos]

yes and that would be unnecessary

[craggy river]

You mean

[steady cosmos]

Ah.

[craggy river]

necessary

[steady cosmos]

You're just gonna play the childish card.

im out.

[compact coyote]

@surreal depot sarco isnt needed as deinosuchus is coming

titanoboa is coming but we dont know how long till then

[surreal depot]

Oh cool love your guys designing an testing

[cyan flame]

Carno doesn't really need a buff, it's great, it could however need a change in damage and bleed to be more useful for hunting the small prey it's supposed(?) to hunt.. :p

[craggy river]

And the hitbox

The hitbox eh

cant hit anything

i guess its because its so small

[cyan flame]

Well yes.. the hitbox is a bit iffy, I'll grant you that :p

[jolly willow]

a carno can wreck a dilo afaik

dilo is paper thin to basically everything

[craggy river]

The bleed

and it is hard to hit since the hit box is so small

[jovial arch]

Lol

Carno can catch Utah

[normal fern]

Only hard to hit for bad players

[cyan flame]

Eh

[jovial arch]

You just have to know what you’re doing

[cyan flame]

The hitbox is a bit weird I think

[umbral prairie]

maybe after the combat rework a carno will be able to just throw a dilo to the ground when running into one at full speed

[jovial arch]

Yes

[cyan flame]

It's strangely far "behind" or so it feels

[jovial arch]

There is one legit complaint for carno being bad

The hitbox

[umbral prairie]

plus hopefully combat rework will include accurate hitboxes

[jovial arch]

The hitbox is wack

But like

[cyan flame]

But that doesn't really make the carno good or bad, as much as "wonky" :p

Same goes for anything with weird hitboxes, which seems to be most things anyway ^^

[normal fern]

@craggy river a lot of the "problems" you describe are only really problems for carnos that try to attack stuff bigger than they are meant to, or just plain suck

[umbral prairie]

@surreal depot why sarco, they already have deinosuchus planned

[jovial arch]

I’ve hunted down a lot of Utahs on carno, both on dm and on v3, both in the trees and in open areas

[cyan flame]

The real issue with carno is that it has 15 more bleed than it needs, and possibly 100 less damage, I'd be all for 300-350 damage carno if it only gets 5 bleed xD

Brave carno Tails, going into forests :p

[normal fern]

^

[jovial arch]

Well

Not particularly dense ones

This was at twins

[cyan flame]

To be fair, I've used the forests against other carnos that tried to hunt me down to get away and almost turn the hunt on them so, it can be used :p

[normal fern]

Carno does not need bleed, it should really have 5-10

[cyan flame]

In any case, carno is a great critter, I do wish it was more damage and less bleed focused, so it would go for the small things over the big things

[jovial arch]

They slowed its attack speed

Actually

Which I don’t like

Should’ve just left it as it was

[cyan flame]

5 bleed would be fine Taco, but I'd like to see another 100 or so in damage then, so you can quickly kill off the smaller things

[jovial arch]

Imo it needs to 2 shot Utahs/ Dilos

But

Hmmmmm

[cyan flame]

It should, but it should do so with damage, not bleed like it currently sort of does :p

[jovial arch]

I guess it actually would be fine if it took another hit to kill Dilo

Dilos are hella easy to catch

[cyan flame]

Well, to be fair, a dilo and carno should not really see each other, carno is open plains daytime hunter, dilo goes where it wants at night, even the open plains that it should otherwise avoid :p

Or at least dilo would, if we could sort out nighttime issues.. xD

[jovial arch]

Yeah

[candid quiver]

That humans growing for 8 hours suggestion though,

[edgy furnace]

@brazen wolf no just no

thats not how to balance humans

that makes 0 sense

[mental sleet]

its a joke

[waxen elk]

Imagine taking that suggestion seriously

Like

Anything with “MAK HOOMAN GROW” is most likely not serious

[surreal depot]

@umbral prairie cause I didn't know what they plan I barley started playing this game

[umbral prairie]

oh ok

well they have planned to add deinosuchus and titanoboa

[edgy furnace]

hey people suggest diarrhea i dont know whats serious in that channel anymore

[umbral prairie]

but titanoboa is probably going to take a while, most likely getting added after flyers

[surreal depot]

Sweet that's Gunn be interesting are they gonna add a hypo queztal that can pick up a full grown giga an rex an drop them an kill them by falling

[edgy furnace]

we dont know

were not devs

lol

[umbral prairie]

idk, tapwing designed hyper quetz but I don't know if it is canon

[knotty ember]

did the adult carno lose the speed boost from crouch/stalk?

[silver dagger]

Yes adult carno doesn't get ambush speed.

[knotty ember]

ok.

[knotty ember]

should have never been taken off.

[knotty ember]

was just span killed

[vocal yacht]

It's speed by default

And it has a wind up, so it takes it like 2-4 secs to reach maximum

[still temple]

Taco injections would be amusing to say the least

[pseudo falcon]

Indeed

[barren zephyr]

I'd love for the taco, Oro, and velo to get sniffing animations and nests. If not to be viable for survival, then to allow them to be more playable in the future and not be swept under the rug because they're incompatible with Dino's in survival.

Plus I miss the intensity of playing a taco from progression days. Even in sandbox, it's frustrating to not be able to find bushes or water, depending on where you are.

[ashen wasp]

I think the thought process behind not allowing Tier 1's to nest is that their hatchlings would be ludicrously small, and it would be impossible for the game to look good at such a teeny tiny level.

[still temple]

out of the 3, only Oro doesnt have scent anims

and for both Oro and Taco to be enjoyable, they both have to be made quicker. (currently, Velo's trot is faster than taco's sprint)
Oro should be able to reliably escape velo, and Taco should be made stronger so that it can defend itself @barren zephyr

[haughty cliff]

Re; the bone break/adaptation suggestion, I think if you break a bone it heals stronger not weaker

[barren zephyr]

@still temple I think those are valid suggestions for the teir 1's.

Now about the nesting, because they are so small, what if they only had a single grow stage instead of the dryo's 2 growing stages? It could take maybe 20 mins to hit full adult since dryo takes 30.

That way they won't be a whole lot smaller than your normal taco Oro or velo.

@haughty cliff but if it heals and isn't set right, won't it hinder movement speed? I could see what you mean about making bb from falling harder to do, but that's more easily abused than making the dino marginally weaker from it.

[haughty cliff]

You might then wanna alter it for slower movement speed and less chance of bone break

[barren zephyr]

Yeah that's a fine idea. My whole point is I'd love to see some variety within a species that depends on the person's playstyle. It suddenly creates more risk when I see something I want to eat if it's a good idea. Or it may lead to better role specialization in a squad of allos if one is faster and the other heavier

And of course a sense of natural selection. A trike breaks it's leg 3+ times and the rest of the herd just says "screw you" and leaves it to trail behind, making I more susceptible to predation.

[spiral pond]

Tbh I dont really like the idea idk

since you could end up with 1 fast rex, 2 endurance rexes and 2 combat rexes and now you have a pack they hunts anything they see down if they wish so

[haughty cliff]

It does throw a wrench into balancing for sure

[spiral pond]

like everything would have to get a nerf to everything

which would suck

[barren zephyr]

@vocal yacht giga is supposed to be an endurance trot down hunter

[normal fern]

^

[edgy furnace]

^

[fluid tartan]

How would flying Dino’s work do you think? Would we have to learn to fly or start knowing how or get it when you become a juvi?

[barren zephyr]

The way that I look at it, having more elastic base stats like so adds more to a developer's toolkit when trying to balance. It like anything needs balanced and tweaked, but once reasonable boundaries are set for the average player of a particular species, it adds a little more variety. And I'm not talking about a 3 mph boost or 30% boost to weight, effects are marginal, yet noticable enough if let's say you have two adult rexes or groups of rexes quarrel over an area. A .5 mph speed nerfed rex vs a .5 speed buffed rex favors the better rex. Same goes for being well-fed, which may even be a trade of stats likesubtle weight gain for subtle loss of endurance.

It may blend the lines a little more on advantages and disadvantages from species to species. A thinner Allo may have a better chance of catching a heavy cerato. A thinner giga may be able to hit and run on a rex better. A heavier giga may not be able to keep up as easy with a trike, but may be face tanky if it has to defend itself.

Plus if the concern is apexes, that can be solved with amending how much the stats change. Plus, they already do that by being a mix of full sub and adult anyways. So that's already an issue.

[floral plover]

@valid flower Yeah i didn't really count xD.

[leaden night]

Missile rex build

Tank Diabloceratops build

[barren zephyr]

Possibly, yes 👍

[barren zephyr]

so any thoughts

I definitely think your ideas for acro abities are plausible. I like the drag idea if it's possible.

I really
want to see acro resized and brought into game, but I still don't quite know what differentiates it between what's already out there.

the fact that it can still atack while carrying something on its arms, unlike giga and rex

that and making youre ears hurt

I'd like to see what the affinity system has to bring before I think about what'll work and what won't. I think the increased drag speed and ability to bite could potentially work now.

It makes me wonder if spino could do the same thing or not.

[waxen elk]

Growth is fucky

Juvenile Dilo is 250 - 300 kg most of it’s growth and suddently jumps to 900 at 100%

Allo is 1250 and suddently 1800

So i wouldn’t be surprised about jumps

[wintry cipher]

Some drop as well.

[south flower]

I hope the human growth suggestion was not serious... 😂

[barren zephyr]

@blazing charm i know acro is a bit doomed but what do you think about it

[blazing charm]

Who said it's doomed?

[barren zephyr]

i thought x was cause of it

[blazing charm]

I'm working on something for him at the moment, not that I garuntee it would "save" Acro but I'm damn well going to try.

Oh no, the X was just because I just thought the ideas proposed were bad.

[normal fern]

Wasn't Acro confirmed Ai?

[blazing charm]

Was it?

[clever leaf]

thought it was

[blazing charm]

Eh, well I'm pretty far in so no point stopping now.

[barren zephyr]

i do remenber hearing on a stream

[mental sleet]

@wet canyon iirc official servers will have everything, but you can easily take humans, tribals, cannibals whatever you'd like out of your own custom server.

@undone pike guns will be VERY RARE, and so is ammo, if someone tries to go willy nilly with a gun, they will get eaten, humans are also very slow at traversing the map without vehicles, which you obviously won't have acess to upon first spawning in.

[barren zephyr]

also frail compared to most things

[wide forge]

hard disagree on the tail whip suggestion imo

it wouldn't be realistic and would be way too powerful for stuff that legitimately doesn't need it

the only existing animals that use their tail as a weapon in defense have extremely long thin tails (lizards, etc) anyway

[wet canyon]

@wide forge I see your point, now that I think about it I don’t think most Dino’s need it but things like Maia probably used their muscly tail in defense... not by swinging their head 🤔😂

[wide forge]

yeah but maia's faster than basically everything

and has great turn

[wet canyon]

Or their leg or something

[wide forge]

so if you're getting ass ridden something's wrong there

[valid flower]

@wide forge they aren’t faster than an ambushed rex

[wide forge]

it sure is

maia's run is 44, rex ambush is 43

only thing it's not faster than is carno and it can still run circles around carno because of their awful turn

predator-wise i mean

oh and utah ambush

[spiral pond]

But Maia can kick carno butt if it knows what it’s doing

[wide forge]

that's what i said

we killed 2/3 carno group with maias on us2 a bit ago. easy peasy

[vestal jungle]

@sage juniper I think alternatively, a better compromise might be giving rewards to needed species on join. People hate being forced to play something they don't want to, but don't mind if they're enticed into making the decision on their own. For example, if there are too many A dinos, B dinos could get a buff if you join as one when it's need. Maybe a slightly shortened growth time or a little bit of progress on the growth when you come in. That way people are incentivized and rewarded for diversifying and filling niches that a server needs, but not punished or restricted for playing others

[sage juniper]

dyros only take like 30mins to grow yet still rarely see any though, would need to be more than a growth incentive

[torpid wedge]

@wide forge theres a search box. type in us 3. refresh.

[civic sky]

I think people don’t go dryo anymore since it got its damage nerfed two patches ago. Unless something has changed you can’t even protect yourself from a juvi utah as an adult. Haven’t tried it since then so i can’t say if it got changed in the most recent patch.

In essence, when a juvi utah invades and you’re on your own you’re dead.

[wide forge]

@torpid wedge the search function does not always work properly and often won't load any servers at all.

Official servers being pinned to the top is simply convenient

[vestal jungle]

Yeah, of course, could make different incentives, but that was just an example

Such is the nature of suggestions/brainstorming concepts, which are useful since it's not our job to balance

[torpid wedge]

i’ve never had any problems D: weird

[paper oriole]

i hope the human baby->adult growth suggestion was serious cus that's just easy munchins right there lmao

jk jk

[blazing charm]

Herbivores being able to communicate with each other would just bring back the days of super-coordinated death mobs, and different carnivores shouldn't be working together, period.

[paper oriole]

there are symbiotic relationships between different species (including canris and herbis) in nature but they definitely shouldnt cross pack like people do in game to grief and form deathsquads

[barren zephyr]

ok gonna post a suggestion about oro everyone hold on to theyre cloacas

[hallow vigil]

i feel like most the stuff in why watts AI suggestion is good, but... Duh? Like i dont mean to be rude but everyone knows the AI ingame is super lackluster, thats just the unfortunate result of the bad code we have currently (recode hype). Once that's over with, I think its safe to assume that AI will be complex "tutorial hunts" (I mean, tacos and oros arent really that threatening no matter what you do to them, they're super low-risk prey items even if they can attack, making them "baby's first kill" AI)

I did like his Velo AI idea though

[paper oriole]

how does one hold on to a cloaca

wait nvm i dont need that visual in my head

I see no harm in adding oros and tacos to survival. sure it'd just be a death sentence to the player and pretty much a "how long can i really last" situation but what harm would it do?