general-feedback-discussion

[floral plover]

Cause when u claw a Utahs neck, would u expect it to take no dmg?

[hasty parcel]

I mean, it depends on what dino is using its claws, which with the case of Galli, wouldn't be much

[floral plover]

I just think it makes more sense cause the Galli run kick is weird.

And I main herbs.

So no I'm not complaining cause I die to them.

[indigo sun]

I mean, i feel like a kick would still do more damage. They dont have really muscular arms. If it was like a sucho or spino, a swipe or something would make sense.
Maybe if they just cleaned it up a bit so it looked better?

[floral plover]

Eh could work.

[indigo sun]

I'll admit their claws look kinda long and might be able to do some damage but I just feel like it wouldnt do much

[floral plover]

^

Wouldn't do much but with locational dmg it should.

And I also think Pachy should have a higher weight class?

Hold on lemme suggest that.

[peak saffron]

where can i ask questions?

[floral plover]

There is not really a questioning channel so might as well do it here?

[blazing charm]

Questions bout what?

@peak saffron The Development team has said no to Herbivore Strains countless times.

[peak saffron]

oh oke

[indigo sun]

I can't imagine herbivore strains would do much anyway

[blazing charm]

They would just be bigger, more gnarly looking versions of their normal counterparts

Either eat into forests or just turn into meat-eaters.

Other than personal preference, I wonder if there is some in-lore reason for the absensce of Herbivore strains.

[hasty parcel]

Herbis turning into carnivores sounds terrifying

[compact matrix]

Playable sauropods and dietary/herding benefits are the herbivore equivalent to strains

[indigo sun]

The meat eater idea is kinda cool, but then it just feels like theres too many carnivorous things. Besides maybe more armor or protection or doing the carnivore thing, strains wouldnt do much for herbivores. Besides turn them all into fat potatoes like trikes so they eat every bush and potentially harm a herd

[pallid sigil]

@pulsar lake play on private servers then. problem solved

[pulsar lake]

No

[blazing charm]

You can't stop people from "KoSing"

[pulsar lake]

Kos is a problem

[blazing charm]

It's not.

[pallid sigil]

no its not

[pulsar lake]

Why a sub trike chase you ?

[blazing charm]

What were you?

[pulsar lake]

This will be punish like cannibalism naturally later

Allosaurus full grow

And I don't attack

[blazing charm]

You could have easily decked the Sub Trike.

[pulsar lake]

He run on me

From the bush

[blazing charm]

You were a Carnivore, probably got too close to it.

[pulsar lake]

With maïa

It's like carno spawnkiller

[blazing charm]

Spawnkilling is an entirely different issue altogether.

[pulsar lake]

This is just so bad for this game who is a "reaslist survival"

[compact matrix]

Play a realism server

[pulsar lake]

I play on it

[compact matrix]

there's plenty with those rules

[indigo sun]

Did you at least try to defend yourself?
And yeah, if you want realism, go to a realism server

[blazing charm]

Fun fact, animals kill off competition or predators even if they aren't being hunted.

So, no idea what you are talking about with "realism"

[pulsar lake]

Or surounded

[compact matrix]

Water buffalo will kill unprotected lion cubs.

[indigo sun]

Hippos will kill pretty much anything

[pulsar lake]

The Isle is a hardcore realism survival

Nobody like it

Except Koseur

[indigo sun]

Hold on one second let me take a look at something

[compact matrix]

There are servers that don't allow it, play on those servers and not officials

official servers aren't going to force herbivores to not kill carnivores unless in defense

[pulsar lake]

Yes because it's for protecting her baby or if they scent raped in her vital space

The game will do it

[compact matrix]

scent raped?

[pulsar lake]

Two second

[indigo sun]

I dont see anywhere saying its a realism game

It just says survival horror

[pulsar lake]

It's what it is going to be

[blazing charm]

Uh

[pulsar lake]

I know this because I've friends who are "friend" with certains dev

[pallid sigil]

yeah sure xD

[pulsar lake]

In the name of god

[random knoll]

no

[obsidian matrix]

just play on server with rules against KOS dude^^

if u dont like it

[torn thistle]

Take it to DMS.

[indigo sun]

"The Isle is intended to be a gritty, open-world survival horror game." I believe it would say realism or realistic in there if they intended for it to be that way

Sorry you said that just as i sent the message

[pulsar lake]

I like the game and official server but when this arrive with carnicore no problems but with young herbs when you are bigger than them XD

[floral plover]

What are u guys even arguing about.

[indigo sun]

Kosing on official servers

[spiral pond]

about Kos rule i think

[floral plover]

Oh well goodbye Lol.

[spiral pond]

yea i would rather stay away from this mess¨

[blazing charm]

@languid crag What would be the point of that?

[gritty siren]

So if I have a good suggestion, I post it here and someone higher up posts it in suggestions? Last time I suggested something in suggeations I was essentially told to bring it here..a little help please?

[pulsar lake]

This can be cool

Be nested BUT you get an albinos skin

[blazing charm]

That is a terrible idea.

[gritty siren]

Thank you @lament kiln

[compact matrix]

Might be a controversial take, but I wouldn't mind really rare albinos or melanistic animals

Would be a lot like shiny pokemon in a way

Although if that would be something to be desired is debatable.

[indigo sun]

i feel like it'd be a disadvantage to whoever gets the albino trait. There isnt many places to hide when your that lightly colored

Its a cool idea, though.

[pallid sigil]

maybe with a veeery low chance to happen

[next nexus]

👏 how do you distinguish between killing for food and for defense to "KOSING" a thing that has 0 solid definition and is used as a crutch by people who are bad 👏 "Its not that I was caught out of position, its because they KOS'd me" 👏

[compact matrix]

I get the feeling all white/white brown skins might be removed like all melanistic animals but that is just a theory

[pallid sigil]

albinos are rar

[pulsar lake]

In majority of time, you get a melange between dad's and mom's skin but 1/100 you get albinos

OR 1/150

Or if you've played like a dick before

Like if you was a spawnkiller before or if you was in megapack or mixpack currently

Yes

Or become albinos with affinity system if you are a bad player.
Dev's version of bad player.

[compact matrix]

Don has suggested that before

[pulsar lake]

Ik

[keen shoal]

perhaps make a survival mode where only 1 person starts as the preds and then once they kill a human herb then they become a carnivore like AVP 2 the game survival

[pulsar lake]

@proud orchid this remind progression when we haved the point. I'm nostalgic now xD

[south flower]

Maybe males could build a nest, but the nest shouldn't have eggs until the female occupies the nest.

[indigo sun]

Thatd be a neat idea and would make it so both are necessary for nesting.

[cyan flame]

Males build the nest, females gestate, either can incubate?

[proud orchid]

Hahaha @pulsar lake I wish they had it XD

[jolly willow]

Still not sure if rex needs a nerf really. Honestly the divide of complaints and differing opinions confuses me

The matchup is fine but people seem to complain about being tracked down/the rex catching up a lot

[unborn quail]

People need to just except the fact that rex can actually hunt stuff now

It has asthma, only way its catching something is by being ontop of it

[lone crypt]

^^^

[unborn quail]

So it's either sneaking up on you, as it should, or your being an idiot and not paying attention

[jolly willow]

seems about right yeah

[lone crypt]

“Wow it can kill me and it’s not drop-dead slow, how dare they make it playable”

[unborn quail]

Not to mention the fact that Giga can kill a rex just as easily as a rex can kill a giga

[jolly willow]

mhm

Matchup rn depends mostly on skill along with who gets the drop on who

And the RNG of BB of course

[unborn quail]

Funny enough

If rex doesn't get bb on the first three bites

Giga wins

[jolly willow]

nice

[compact matrix]

Important note

Rex is not just really good in the giga matchup, but is really good ambushing a lot of mids and can take trike as well

Trike cannot catch him and a single giga cannot beat him if equally skilled.

But Subadult rex is REALLY strong as well, having high speed useful to evading opponents and towards the later part of it's life cycle being very strong

Buffing rex turn made him harder to deal with for mid tiers such as dilo and allo as well, who previously capitalized on that weakness

I feel like it's really hard to argue rex isn't the single best carnivore in the game atm.

Because subadult rex is a capable mid tier bully, but adult rex is overwhelmingly good as an apex

[viscid snow]

If i may add my 2 cents about the possible no kos(should be kfs) rule suggestion...it would be nice to not be killed by something for no reason..being killed by your own kind because "they felt like it" is really terrible, especially if it took you a while to get where you are just for some asshat to kill you because he was bored.(apologies for the delayed discussion, just woke up)

[compact matrix]

play on a realism server if you don't want people to kill you if they don't need food

[viscid snow]

you mean the servers that ban you if you don't yell at someone and fight them so you can have a sip of water?

official already has food denial, pack limits, and a few other such rules

[lilac swallow]

@compact matrix you may dont care about kos but at least dont support it

[compact matrix]

I don't support it

I'm just saying it shouldn't be a rule to force people to not do it.

[lilac swallow]

There is rule against mixpacking why kosing is different?

Im not saying that rule would be easy to apply

[viscid snow]

honestly, im not entirely sure what to do.seems simple enough to say "don't kill with food nearby" but the problem is a lot bigger then that.some people are just absolutely horrible people, apparently.I understand a few rexes killing subs, for instance..more mouths to feed is bad.but when an adult rex talks to a sub, makes conversation a bit, then just kills it because lol, it's really frustrating.everything hides from everything because even if you WANT to make a pack/herd or group with the thing nearby you see is the same as you, its very likely that even just saying hello WILL get you killed by it.its a hard thing to figure out, but something has to change...

[umbral prairie]

kos is killing on sight right? I never understand why that is a problem

only thing that sucks if you get killed by group members

[viscid snow]

im more agaist kfs, kos could mean they didnt have food, saw you, killed.that IS kos, but not kill for sport

[umbral prairie]

but I don't have a problem with herbivores killing me as a juvie carnivore, they're eliminating future threats and I try to avoid herbis if I'm juvie

[native nebula]

i'm sure it's something we'll be having discussions about when adding the affinity system.

[lilac swallow]

@umbral prairie i dont deny killing potential threats is a good survival tactic but wasting your whole stam just to kill a faster juvie is not a smart move when you may and will need that stam

[jolly willow]

KOS rule is big fat no

That's the game, deal with it

be aware

[glad bear]

if you want no KFS rules then find a server for it

[lilac swallow]

@jolly willow in It first year the game had mixpack and It got prohibited

[regal pecan]

affinity hype!

[glad bear]

you don't need to try and force others to have to abide by that rule when there are servers that you can go in that already have it

[compact matrix]

I feel like killing your own kind should punish you if done often, as well as killing other herbivores as a herbivore too much

[jolly willow]

Mixed packing is an entirely different issue and has already gone zoop/had a rule slapped on it

Mixpacking is OP.

[glad bear]

you can't force others to comply to what you want just cause you want it

[jolly willow]

KOS is not

KOS is the fuckin game

[compact matrix]

but that's affinity

[jolly willow]

You kill things.

[compact matrix]

not a server rule.

[viscid snow]

i would find a server for it, if every server with no kfs didn't have 50 pages of weird rules that make no sense

[lilac swallow]

@glad bear repeatong myself mixpacking is the same but it is baned

[glad bear]

no it isn't

[compact matrix]

it's not

[umbral prairie]

mixpacking is very different from kos

[glad bear]

cause there are servers that allow mixpacking

so go play on those

mixpacking is also game breaking and ruins the fun for literally everyone

[compact matrix]

mixpacking is like a trike helping tyrannosaurus kill things for the tyrannosaurus

[lilac swallow]

And kosing dont ruins fun right?

[glad bear]

not for everyone

[umbral prairie]

mixpacking breaks immersion, ruins the fun for many players, making some mix herds invulnerable. people chasing juveniles that will become threats to them or their young is totally acceptable

[glad bear]

but for those 6 snowflakes who just can never die

[random knoll]

you know aniamls in real life "Kos" also?

[viscid snow]

but they don't kfs..

[umbral prairie]

what fun does it ruin? the fun of being close to herbivores expecting them to be nice? I really don't see why you would expect herbis to ignore you

[lilac swallow]

@umbral prairie you seem to not had read my earlier message about wasting all stam for nothing

[umbral prairie]

it may be dumb

but they should be allowed to do so

[glad bear]

@viscid snow animals kill shit sometimes to prevent future competiton

[umbral prairie]

and if it is only to chase you away

from their herd

[lilac swallow]

@umbral prairie read my message firsts i have already said killing potential threats is fine

[viscid snow]

true,they kill threats, but an elephant will not chase a lion all the way across the continent for no reason

[glad bear]

simple

[lilac swallow]

@viscid snow exactly

[glad bear]

is the player you're playing against a fucking elephant?

[viscid snow]

trike?

[next nexus]

Lets take an example; I'm a hungry adult tyrannosaurus rex, I wander out of the forest to a clearing and see a diabloceratops feeding, but i'm not allowed to chase it because thats KOS right? what am i suppose to do? give it a couple of roars to give it a sporting chance? lmao

[glad bear]

they don't care about what the animals do in real life

they're gonna enjoy the game how they want to

[lilac swallow]

@next nexus just kill it

[next nexus]

but thats KOS

[jovial skiff]

who mentioned mix packing

[glad bear]

if that involves fucking you over well guess what, they're gonna fuck you over

[viscid snow]

no, thats not what im saying lemur.im saying if you had food galore, and decided to kill it "just because" that's...not really right

[glad bear]

omg

dude

go to a fucking realism server

literally

no one cares about it "not being right" they care about having fun on the game

[viscid snow]

copa, i do not want this to turn into a repeating war.please read what iv'e said before, instead of repeating yourself over and over

[next nexus]

you approach a tyrannosaurus rex who is chilling next to his kill, you don't respect his presence and just yolo in to try and eat without waiting for him to move off, "HE KOS ME"

[glad bear]

i have

and im saying

[viscid snow]

in that case, he didnt hunt you.you were stupid

its if the rex actively sees you and chases you down while having food

[glad bear]

don't try to enforce no KOS simply cause you don't like KOS on others

[next nexus]

then don't let him chase you down

[glad bear]

you can't make me not eat

cause you don't like that food

[waxen elk]

@charred kestrel Giganotosaurus didn’t run at 50 km/h

[umbral prairie]

using the elephant example here, even if elephants don't chase you for 2 minutes (sometimes they do actually) you also don't just go near a herd of elephants and think that it is safe, there is the possibility they may see you as a threat

[waxen elk]

That’s a outdated wikipedia estimate

[viscid snow]

also, if everyone only cares about having fun, why are kfs'ers having all the happy whilethe people simply saying "i just want to not die for 5 minutes" are obviously not ABLE to have fun

[waxen elk]

Who cares about KOS

Just respawn and move on smh

[glad bear]

@viscid snow then don't go near those people

you know where they last were

[viscid snow]

everyone >.>

[glad bear]

stay away

well if it's everyone than no one is complaining about it huh?

[waxen elk]

“AA?A?A I DiED iN a SuRViVal GAme????????? I sHoulD bE ABle tO cHiLl”

[umbral prairie]

don't go near others expecting them to be nice, even if they're herbis or your own species, they might be hungry and eat you

[glad bear]

or they just might not wanna be paired/packed

[viscid snow]

i have literally met 1 person in the last 71 hours of gameplay that didn't kill me the moment they saw me.be that herb as a herb, or herb as carni, whatever matchup

[glad bear]

and are gonna keep you from trying to

[charred kestrel]

I am not trying to be exact. Just saying that a bipedal agile hunter shouldn't be slower than a tanky T. rex.

[waxen elk]

Dude

[glad bear]

you're just unlucky

[random knoll]

if you get spotted and are killed for it ......its ya own fault

[waxen elk]

Tyrannosaurus irl was faster than Giga

lmao

[glad bear]

uhh

[random knoll]

you shouldnt all ways think everyone si out to kill you

[waxen elk]

You died

Accept it and move on

Respawn

[glad bear]

both of them are bipedal agile hunters?

so your point is

[umbral prairie]

seafyre this is not pure science, rex is supposed to be a fast ambusher in game and giga is the endurance bleeder.

[viscid snow]

if they don't want to pack up, thats fine, but chasing me till we both don't have stam is ..i don't know..

[glad bear]

okay

[next nexus]

Its the nature of survival games, people are unpredictable.

[glad bear]

that argument is dumb

[umbral prairie]

giga has more speed and regens stam while trotting to be enduring

[glad bear]

if they want to chase you down

[random knoll]

you are food

[waxen elk]

Irl their speeds were pretty much the same as this game aswell so

[random knoll]

simple

[glad bear]

they'll chase you down

[umbral prairie]

rex is fast to get good ambushs in

[glad bear]

and that's all you can say

[umbral prairie]

but has shitty stam

[glad bear]

cause you can't control the other player

[viscid snow]

so i, a sub rex, was food to an adult trike that chased me for 2 hours?

[glad bear]

okay

okay

you just have a problem

[random knoll]

you are a threat

to that trike

so it killed you

[glad bear]

sub rex is like 33kmh and trike is like 22kmh

or 29

[random knoll]

also if you didn tlose it in 2 hours... thats ya own fault

[umbral prairie]

also, how does a slow ass trike chase a sub rex for 2 hours

[next nexus]

if you were unable to lose an adult trike for 2 hours, you kinda deserved to die

[glad bear]

you shouldn't have gotten caught EVER

[paper oriole]

trike was probably just sick of the million apexes everywhere

[waxen elk]

Toxic for telling you facts?

[glad bear]

also

[waxen elk]

Okay dude

[glad bear]

back to the KFS thing

[viscid snow]

im sick of everything killing me for no reason..no matter what i am

[waxen elk]

Ok

Move on

[glad bear]

that trike was preventing you from becoming a future threat

[umbral prairie]

it is not for no reason

[glad bear]

it had a reason

[paper oriole]

i applaud that trike honestly

[waxen elk]

If you can’t handle dying in a game then you might need to take a break, go outside and reconsider life

[charred kestrel]

"Facts"? You're just stating how it is in-game and that you think the source mentioned on Wikipedia is outdated.

[viscid snow]

i can handle dying..there are times when i die, and i know it was hungry or protecting something and thats fine. but dying constantly because i dared to get a drink, or chase an oro, it gets extremely frustrating.

[waxen elk]

And that’s toxic?

[charred kestrel]

And acting like it's undisputed.

[waxen elk]

Aight

[glad bear]

that's just the game

[charred kestrel]

Not trying to argue in any way, you get my suggestion point, I guess.

[glad bear]

it's a survival game

you aren't gonna be given a free card to adult hood

[waxen elk]

Look at a Giganotosaurus

[glad bear]

players are unpredictable and you can't control it

[umbral prairie]

I still don't see why so many people complain about the speeds being unrealistic, they need to consider balance

[charred kestrel]

Not here to have any wannabe paleo-discussion lol

[viscid snow]

i don't want a free card to adulthood.i want it to be hard. but when i can't seem to stay not a juvi for more then 5 minutes is really bad

[umbral prairie]

a giga running at 50 km/h or even 35 km/h would just be unbalanced

[waxen elk]

Does that 6.5 ton thing look like it can have both legs lifted to run?

Run at 30 mph?

[random knoll]

as a juiv you dont wane be spotted by anything at all

[glad bear]

if people didn't jump out at you randomly then the game wouldn't be hard

[thorny lynx]

@nimble meteor That won't happen. Dondi is having trouble with players making indoraptors as it is.

[glad bear]

it would be easy

and you shouldn't be seen as a juvie in the first place

[paper oriole]

there was a suggestion earlier for making certain colour combinations locked so you can't enter the game with them

[viscid snow]

i am almost never killed as a juvi. it's usually when I just turn sub/adult is when im killed

[paper oriole]

to prevent indo cosplayers

[glad bear]

well

when you're an adult

you just gotta know how to survive

[charred kestrel]

In my opinion, a bipedal theropod with a more agile phenotype than a bulky T. rex (which might (!) be even heavier as well) should be at least be able to run and catch some stuff. I don't talk about 35 km/h, but maybe a faster and longer ambush to be a real threat to other "average" medium-sized dinos.

[glad bear]

what you have to stay away from at all cost

[charred kestrel]

Currently the T. rex is winning every speed aspect, doesn't it?

[glad bear]

and what you don't

[umbral prairie]

yes, because the rex is the ambusher

in this game

[glad bear]

@charred kestrel realism isn't gonna affect balance heavily

[umbral prairie]

and giga is the endurance hunter

[glad bear]

rex is faster than giga in every aspect cause that's how it can be viable and survive

[charred kestrel]

How long does the stamina last?

[umbral prairie]

that is why giga has four times the stam a rex has

[charred kestrel]

For an adult Giga.

[paper oriole]

they could fix this by making rex's base run 28km/h with slower stam drain, while keeping its swift ambush that has quick stam drain

[glad bear]

giga is slower but can trot down others cause it's meant to bleed out others and follow them to finish em off

[umbral prairie]

iirc rex stam lasts 30 seconds, giga lasts 2 minutes

plus it gets stam by trotting

[glad bear]

^

endurance hunter can mean two things ingame, a long chase in sprint or tracking something down but that would be better as being called a tracker hunter

[umbral prairie]

giga could use a little speed buff so rexes need longer to catch up to them, but the buff should not heavily affect things weaker than giga too much

[viscid snow]

..i may be a terrible player, i'm not disputing that.but i should at least be able to try.and i don't feel like i can. ive had many people pass right by me..so i can hide.good, but the moment i try to drink or eat, something kills me.i dunno..it's no longer a suggestion discussion so ill leave.but maybe someone could dm me and give advice.

[nimble meteor]

@thorny lynx That is not a good reason. Let people make any dino then want. Let the player make their own color choices.

[glad bear]

no

[charred kestrel]

Alright, but being endurance against a Rex doesn't work I guess? If youre hitting once and keeping distance, that wont work with that slow run speed?

[thorny lynx]

@nimble meteor Ot

[paper oriole]

wasnt the indo issue a copyright one?

[thorny lynx]

It's called copyright. We can't have indoraptors.

[umbral prairie]

maybe you just had bad luck, I had a time where every single carni group I joined killed me for food, now it didn't happen for 2 months

[glad bear]

giga isn't supposed to fight rex if that's what you're implying

[paper oriole]

they should open up all the colours, but make certain combinations like indoraptor locked so players can not make them

[glad bear]

rex is a bruiser apex

[umbral prairie]

giga should lose in a direct 1v1

[glad bear]

giga is the hunter apex

[umbral prairie]

it should be able to bleed rex out if it plays correctly

[glad bear]

it can't

[nimble meteor]

then tell me why any other game can allow any and all colors for characters. Still not a good reason. Noting was stolen it was created

[glad bear]

rex will just run you down and get in bites

[umbral prairie]

the problem is not the speed, it is how easy rex can use bb and how it can assride gigas to death

[charred kestrel]

Got your points. I would prefer a slight speed buff in general for it, so it might be a threat or at least a good rival for the Rex, like mentioned by you before.

bb?

[glad bear]

@nimble meteor stealing isn't exactly copyright it's when you use something that is someone else's without the proper rights

[umbral prairie]

bone break

[glad bear]

like when people sue for use of their music without you asking

[paper oriole]

perhaps huge animals like trike and giga should be resistant to the rexes bonebreak, reducing the chance of it being applied

[umbral prairie]

or

we wait for locational damage

because with that

[glad bear]

the indoraptor are obviously the indoraptor which isn't owned by the isle and it's use could easily lead to a civil case which is for sure unwanted

[umbral prairie]

ass riding will be gone

[charred kestrel]

So get rid of bonebreak or somehow be able to escape from it? I don't know. This whole bone break think is just OP currently imo

[nimble meteor]

regardless the dino is character created by The Isle Devs. Color options have nothing to do with stealing. but I see the real answer is control. Thats fine.

[umbral prairie]

and bb would require you to actually bite the leg

and not the tip of the tail

[charred kestrel]

But got your point.

Makes sense.

[glad bear]

if you see a rex as a giga

just sprint in the opposite direction

you'll be years away with that trot when it's tracking you

and that's if it even sees ya

[charred kestrel]

Which trot is faster?

Giga or T. rex?

[glad bear]

giga

[umbral prairie]

that is the thing, if the rex is aware of you and not completely unskilled the giga should lose if it still engages, but if a giga gets a rex by surprise rex should not bite the giga's tail once, break it's leg with it and win

[glad bear]

my situation doesn't even involve BB

if the giga catches the rex by surprise

and runs through it getting a bite

the giga is fucked no matter what

the rex is just gonna run you down and kill ya mid run

30 seconds is more than enough time to get in the hits needed to kill the giga

[umbral prairie]

is rex base speed than giga ambush?

if so you really have no chance

[glad bear]

uhh

IDK

[normal fern]

Nope gigas ambush is significantly faster

[glad bear]

but rex ambush is faster than gigas ambush

even tho

[umbral prairie]

if not you can maybe get enough distance with your ambush so the rex doesn't catch up in time, giga could use a slight speed buff so rex needs longer to catch up

[glad bear]

true

[umbral prairie]

maybe make it like 31.5 km/h? idk how that would affect mid tiers though

[glad bear]

but that rex if it isn't a fool well fore sure trade with the giga and get a bite off when it runs in

the best bet is to run in and bite while in crouch

so when the rex turns to bite you you can just zoom off

[umbral prairie]

yeah I'm just worried about how bleeders will gt hits in once dino collision is in, because they will not be able to run through their target

[normal fern]

Or maybe just nerf Rex speed because the last thing we need is apexes being buffed again??

Like have we all forgotten the apexpocalypse already?

[paper oriole]

just lower rexes non ambush sprint to 28km/h :>

[cyan flame]

Why not just lower the rex speed down to closer to dibble? And then crank up the ambush multiplier so the ambush stays as it is? :p

[umbral prairie]

I think rex speed is fine, maybe a very slight speed nerf so it takes longer to catch things but not so much that it is slower than things it's currently faster as

28 is super slow, it used to be 26 and rexes lived completely off of AI at that time

[paper oriole]

well they already have bb if they nab something with ambush their super high bb chance will almost always immobilize the target

[normal fern]

They didn't have a 1.5 ambush then

They weren't agile then

They would be fine if their speed was slightly lowered

They would just have to actually ambush

[umbral prairie]

I still think bb is the bigger problem or at least the way it works atm, and I still think it will be better with locational damage

[paper oriole]

they dont need to also zip super fast with their normal sprint fast stam drain or not. super fast ambush is fine they are ambush predators after all

they should have slow sprint with slow drain, fast ambush with fast drain

[vale sluice]

Does anyone else have the issue with the server search function being utterly broken?

[umbral prairie]

what speed is giga at rn?

yeah the server list seems weird in general

[vale sluice]

I cant even find servers I used to play on regularly

[umbral prairie]

sometimes servers show up, sometimes they don't, sometimes they only appear after refreshing 10 times

[paper oriole]

giga is like 30km/h isnt it

[vale sluice]

Or you get random names that don't even match the keywords..

[paper oriole]

30.6

so only a bit faster than 28km/h

[normal fern]

You could literally make rex 30kmph and it would be fine

[umbral prairie]

I'd make rex 31 then? so it needs to be very close to giga when starting to run to catch up in time

[normal fern]

^

Or even that

[paper oriole]

rex has the superior ambush, it should be slightly slower than giga

maybe even just flat 30

it'd be a tiny difference

[cyan flame]

I'd say the rex should be slightly faster, so rex at 31 or so, like the diablo, and that should be fine, you ambush as giga, run through bleeding, and you'd be out of range before the rex can catch up I'm pretty sure

[umbral prairie]

that would make a rex trying to fight a giga rely entirely on it's ambush, if it is half a meter too far away it's ambush is failed

if it were slower that is

[cyan flame]

And if the rex does see you coming/reacts before you're out of range, well, you failed the ambush.. :p

[wintry cipher]

@hot heath its because animations do damage the entire way through. for example: a giga can run through a row of 3 dinos and bite once, but somehow hit all 3 even when theyre not all together in one spot.

[hot heath]

Thats weird ;-;

[wintry cipher]

the recode will likely help with that by making you latch onto a target momentarilly

[hot heath]

Oohh yeahmaybe

[wintry cipher]

🤞

[shut gale]

@spare geyser you should correct that too. "you cannot safe log"

[tame bane]

It's been suggested before and lots of people pointed out that a small Dilo could keep a rex from logging if the bleed safeguard was implemented. So is there a half way point? Like at a certain level of bleed, you cannot safelog? For instance, you're on second screen with three bleed, then you cannot safe log. But if you're only on one bleed you can?

Correction: just one bleed, perhaps first screen.

[shut gale]

that arguement is kind of sad

if the dilo is doing that to you kill it.

you can always use rocks, cliffs, trees to put ur back against and the dilo won't have a chance

[tame bane]

I'm only reiterating the previous points against that suggestion and offering a potential half way point. I think their main point is that the system would be abused.

[shut gale]

its very hard to abuse it. .... unless the person is terrible...

1 stack or 3 should all not let you log...

[glass blaze]

Too much potential for griefing. All a small dinosaur has to do is run up and bite your butt every time you start trying to safelog.

[shut gale]

you can still see while your timer is going... if they hit you... you kill it...
and for you to find someone that wants to log ....

the downs of not having this implemented don't make up for that argument alone...

[glass blaze]

It takes longer to get out of the logout screen than it does for someone to bite you and run away.

If you're a Rex, a carno or a utah could grief you with impunity if this system were implemented

You would never catch them if you were trying to safelog.

[tame bane]

Plus it would reset the timer each time. Assuming it's for one bleed, you'd then have to heal that off and begin the timer again, during which they could begin the process all over. It would be a huge waste of time and energy for someone that just wants to log out and go to work or log out and have dinner.

And who's to say it's one dilo in this example? Or one Utah? or one Carno? It could easily be a pack that just wants to grief a person. So you see one running at you while you're safelogging, you've got 10 seconds left, but whatever, fine, you kill that oncoming pain in the rear and reset your timer.

Then another comes at you. And you have to start the timer again. And again. Even assuming you kill one before it bites you and you never have to chase anyone down because they run right into your mouth, it could still be a big waste of time.

[shut gale]

@glass blaze it takes 1 click to close the menu...

@tame bane that happens in most games now a days.... they don't let you log until you're safe.
Think about the other side Rexes gigas Trikes can all combat log atm even while getting reckt by a pack of carnos / allos / utahs. and ruin their hunt maybe even their dino cause they might be starving

[tame bane]

Which is why I'm offering a halfway point where if the bleed is high enough it wouldn't let the user log. It would be a little harder to grief in that scenario, although not impossible.

[shut gale]

they can still log in the begining since none of those above aply alot of bleed to apexes...

its better than nothing i agree but...

[tame bane]

Yes. That is the idea. If you have low bleed or perhaps a combo of low bleed and low damage, you would be able to log because you're not in any real danger at the moment. And it would keep people from being able to keep you in place for an obscene amount of time. Even if it's not ideal.

It could always be a combo of damage and bleed. That way if one is too high it could keep someone from logging. Like 3rd screen, but low bleed = no safelog. But that might be excessive.

[shut gale]

yeah i agree with the general idea but the specefics would have to be lower imo x)

[tame bane]

That's possible. Not really advocating for a specific mark of damage and bleed. Just the idea that low bleed doesn't keep someone from logging, but has a threshold on it.

[violet magnet]

if you DO NOT safelog and just alt+f4 or logout before the timer runs down, your dino will stay in the game for five full minutes

a carno who's griefing a rex who's trying to logout could do a wwhhhooolleee lotta damage in those five minutes you're not in the game to defend yourself, and if it's a pack of them they could kill your rex

also do u know how fuckin' LONG it takes for anything bigger than a utah to stand up, and you can't bite until you're fully standing and by then the thing messing with you has run away

[tame bane]

^ Above is true, although I don't want to assume someone is always sitting down to safelog. Many do, which definitely gives enough time for potential attackers to run away. Even standing though, getting out of the screen, even if it's one click, might not be enough time to pursue their attacker or defend themselves before bleed.

[shut gale]

@violet magnet don't sit when you safe log

there's no need for it... so idk why you're bringing it up x)

[tame bane]

Well... if you're trying to heal from bleed, or damage, you're probably going to sit.

[shut gale]

mhm thats all normal so?

[tame bane]

And if people keep inflicting bleed. You're likely going to want to heal that asap so you can safe log. Then you'll keep getting attacked.

[shut gale]

if someone uses that to hunt you its normal...

yeap

[tame bane]

I'm not saying it's not normal. I'm saying in the context of any bleed doesn't let someone safelog.

[shut gale]

so you die off bleed

normal...

they found a wounded dino and killed it... nature...

[tame bane]

We're both talking very situational here. You're assuming people aren't going to grief the hell out of someone just because they want to safelog.

[shut gale]

oh no i am

i just don't soo how its the aweful thing you guys are making it to be...

only 3 dinos dat could abusa that are dryos gallis and utahs?

the rest you can easely kill if they come at you.. tryign to do that

[tame bane]

Then they shouldn't lose their dino just because a pack of carnos, utahs, dilos, ect. is bored and wants to keep someone from safelogging. People have work and lives. Yeah, people safelog to avoid death, which is an issue, but also don't deserved to be dogged by bored players just because they have lives.

[shut gale]

its easy to safe log tho find a cliff or rock or tree and put ur ass to it...

they can't do shit...

takes like 2 minutes...

[tame bane]

Yes, safelogging in a safe spot is ideal, but also not everyone has the time to find the ideal spot.

[shut gale]

well then rip...

[violet magnet]

if i'm bleeding i'm going to sit down to heal, AND so that any more damage the griefers inflict on me while i'm logging won't hurt as much as it would if i'm standing

[shut gale]

better than it ruining someone elses hunt...

@violet magnet ok thats normal but if something finds you dying off bleed

[violet magnet]

if you can't bring something down in the one whole minute it takes them to sit stationary, not fight back, and safelog, that prey was out of your league anyway

[shut gale]

they should be able to kill you..

without you loging on them...

@violet magnet that is straight up dumb...

[barren zephyr]

No it's not

[shut gale]

if you don't dps something in 1 min you shouldn't hunt it?

[barren zephyr]

If you can't kill it before it safelogs you have no business hunting it

[tame bane]

No it's not. If you're unable to kill it in 60 solid seconds of it not moving, maybe you shouldn't be hunting it.

[shut gale]

its dumb...

[tame bane]

Otherwise you're just going to grief people and keep them from living their lives. Or force them to lose a dino because they have lives.

[shut gale]

ok so

[barren zephyr]

If it logs even as you're killing it, that's a shame. But you shouldn't hold ppl hostage in a game for your own convenience

[shut gale]

picture this scenario and tell me its "fine"

you're a carno. You see a giga fighting a rex the giga gets 2 bites on the rex and dies

the rex now has 100 bleed

crouches and starts loging

[tame bane]

Eat the giga body if you're starving.

[violet magnet]

eat the body that's already there

[shut gale]

you could kill him if he didn't log by simply makign it stand up

the rex ate it*

all

[violet magnet]

the rex isn't eating shit if it has 100 bleed, he's sitting down immediately to heal the bleed

[shut gale]

well he did

[tame bane]

Then he's dead.

Eat the rex and giga bodies.

[barren zephyr]

It doesn't matter, again, because it's stupid for someone to have the ability to hold you hostage

👏 In 👏 a 👏 game

[shut gale]

no he's not

its not holding you hostage

when YOU'RE TRYING TO COMBAT LOG

[barren zephyr]

It is

[shut gale]

like a uss

[tame bane]

That's not combat logging.

[violet magnet]

....it is holding them hostage

[shut gale]

that is combat loging

[tame bane]

What you're describing is not combat logging.

[shut gale]

whether or not you like it

the carno has a chance of killing you

[barren zephyr]

It is holding you hostage and preventing you FROM LEAVING against your own will

[shut gale]

that is combat loging

alt f4

[violet magnet]

no the fuck-

[shut gale]

you left the game

[violet magnet]

what?

[shut gale]

and didn't ruin the carnos hunt

[barren zephyr]

So no matter what, it's a dumb design. And not fun and not worth it

[violet magnet]

the carno isn't actively IN COMBAT with the rex

it isn't combat logging

[shut gale]

so?

you don't have to actually bite something to hunt it

[tame bane]

The carno hasn't engaged the rex in this scenario. You've stumbled into a fight and are watching. That's not combat.

[shut gale]

you can make stuff starve

[tame bane]

That's not combat logging.

[shut gale]

ok

the carno bit the rex once *`

what now?

[violet magnet]

by that logic ANY time i log is combat logging because something could be hunting me but i just ruined their hunt by logging

???

[shut gale]

if something is hunting you

and you know it

yes

if not is just unlucky for them..

[tame bane]

Even then. It still doesn't give you the right to keep them in a game because you want to and it's convenient.

[shut gale]

carno was starving

[violet magnet]

if they can't track me down in one full minute while i'm sitting still logging that's their fault

[shut gale]

he died of hunger after

[barren zephyr]

I mean, no one is obligated to let someone hunt them. Need to earn the kill, if you can't get em before they log you're shit out of luck

[shut gale]

that better?

[barren zephyr]

Or hunting things you shouldn't be

[tame bane]

If hunting is part of the game, starving is part of the game.

[shut gale]

@violet magnet yeah exctly what every combat logger says

@tame bane it is i agree

but dying of hunger cause someone logged on you...

that person must be happy..

while the combat logger that loged is now smiling

like a dumbass..

[tame bane]

The scenario seems unlikely to me. You find a rex that is healing and safelogging after killing a giga? Seems like it would eat the giga after healing. You might as well just run up and eat the giga while the rex is too injured to do anything.

[shut gale]

it happens more than you think...

happened to me a bunch of times already

[tame bane]

If you can kill it in two bites because it's that injured. Do it while it sits still for a solid 60 seconds.

[shut gale]

a carno couldn't..

[tame bane]

You just said you could kill it in a couple bites because of how low health it was.

[shut gale]

what?

no

i said it can kill it cause it has 100 bleed from the gigas 2 bites

[violet magnet]

if the rex poofs as you're walking up to it then it had the logout timer up already and you got there just as the timer got down to 0
🤷 oh well

[shut gale]

by just making it stand up

[violet magnet]

least there's a giga body

[shut gale]

@violet magnet again combat logger logic..

[tame bane]

There's a giga body. Attack it while it's sitting still for 60 seconds. Do one of the many other options.

[shut gale]

rex ate the body

[violet magnet]

ribs

[shut gale]

ribs too

you're missing the point...

holy ...

[tame bane]

Unlikely a rex that has 100 bleed ate a body. It probably sat down and rested first. So go eat the body.

[shut gale]

@tame bane depends on the rex

but you're missing the point..

[violet magnet]

unless it had a partner who ate the body and the partner has gone off to get water or something while the first rex sits and heals

[shut gale]

yes

picture w.e scenario you want @violet magnet

just try to get the point i'm making..

[tame bane]

I'm not. You're creating a very specific scenario to suit your argument. Which still isn't helping you. Now should there be some kind of thing to prevent combat logging? Sure. But also it shouldn't keep players in a game for your convenience.

Then you'd die to the other rex? Why would you engage it?

[shut gale]

i can make multiple scenarios...

it happened so many frikin times..

....

fine the rex was alone

2 other rexes came after and made the injured rex leave the body

the carno went after the injured rex...

better?

[tame bane]

Then the injured rex is probably either dead because it had to walk off 100 bleed and heal or died to the other rexes that wouldn't leave it alone. Odds are you could find a better target just by waiting for AI to spawn and save your carno.

[shut gale]

oml

i'm loosing IQ points

gtg

[tame bane]

Whatever man, not everyone can sit in their mom's basement all day playing a game. Let people live their lives and find more suitable targets to hunt. Don't force people to stay in a game for your convenience.

@violet magnet
I think they're doing something like that? I do like the idea of males building nests, females gestating the eggs though. Maybe make both able to incubate?

[violet magnet]

"made the injured rex leave the body"
the rex ate the entire giga body tho

so the two new rexes would very likely kill the injured rex for food

@tame bane there is supposed to be a nesting system in the works but God knows when we'll see it finalized 😦

but it'd be cool if both could incubate

[tame bane]

Lol. And he's the one losing IQ points?

True. That would be a good placeholder before the nesting system is sorted out. I'd like it if both could incubate just because sitting on a nest gets boring fast. XD But I do agree that males should put the nest down (and also that's an adorable mental image of a male raptor building a hopeful little nest in front of a female like "Hello pls make bbs") and females can gestate/lay the eggs.

[violet magnet]

"hello der u wan sum fuk babies?"

[tame bane]

"Smash? Becky lemme smash"

[ocean vortex]

@carmine echo lolwut

[barren zephyr]

giga can avoid rex easily if u seem them first

[vocal yacht]

No

If they don't ur safe

If they see you whether it's first or last ur ass is grass

They are the lawnmower

[barren zephyr]

Why dinos look soo small compere to human structures ,this is 98% to full adult allosaur .Its 3 meters high and weight around 3 tons , in game it looks like is 2 meters high and no more than 1.3 tons .And this is for every dinosaur that i play compere it to the stuff around you and they are not realistic .I don't know if thats problem with the engine or what but its tha same when u compere it with trees ,rocks and stuff.

[sacred wyvern]

thats a big camera

[split notch]

All the more to see you with

[barren zephyr]

What?

[edgy furnace]

@dusk oracle yep its confirmed for utahs to have pounce

[dusk oracle]

@edgy furnace I mean the ability to cling to one side of a bigger prey or predator

[edgy furnace]

@dusk oracle yeah i know

[dusk oracle]

So it will be back? Oof finally

[gusty gyro]

It has been established a long time ago

[barren zephyr]

Was there any convo / agreement / disagreement regarding the function of carrying food / bushes

From 1 place to another

Also was it ever suggested that small babies will have a function to be able to go on other dino's from their race on their back to be "carried" around

(Same way how mother carries her cubs type of thing)

[valid flower]

@woven marsh I agree

☝️

[nocturne blaze]

I also agree

[minor dome]

trikes dont need a buff rex and giga need a nerf

i think its lame to make trikes rex and gigas more and more impossible to kill by mid tiers by constanly buffing them

[nocturne blaze]

gotta disagree with you there Brand, rex and gigas are not meant to be hunted by mid teirs, they're not mid teir prey, it's the other way around

[woven marsh]

well nerfing rex and giga has the same effect but it will make them weaker vs large packs of smaller dinos too so better to just buff trikes

[torpid wedge]

the whole idea of apex is not having any natural predators

thats what being an apex predator is

[mental sleet]

maybe in nature

but it shouldn't be that way in the game

[minor dome]

im not saying 1 midtier should somehow be able to take on an apex, or that even 4 or 5 should

[mental sleet]

otherwise they are invincible

[minor dome]

but like 10 or so

cant

rn

[valid flower]

Tbh that trike “buff” they gave didn’t make a difference at all

imo

[minor dome]

it made rex lose face tank against trike

[valid flower]

Not really

Tested it right after the patch, Rex can still face tank trikes

[woven marsh]

the game would be way more fun for everyone if herbviore herds can hang out in the middle of the map, not at some remote location at the edge(current meta)

[minor dome]

yeah around titan lake and where raptor rock used to be there are very very little bushes

[valid flower]

I mean

It doesn’t take any skill for apexes now

To hunt

Since bleed doesn’t kill you

[minor dome]

bleed does kill you

[valid flower]

Trikes are just walking burgers rn

[minor dome]

trikes bleed doesnt kill you because its not fast enough to keep you standing

[valid flower]

no that’s not what I meant

I meant that after a fight, Rex would just sit down and not worry about bleeding out

[minor dome]

thats good

[valid flower]

Like they use to before

[minor dome]

it sucks to win a fight and then die anyway

[valid flower]

Yeah it is, but that kinda screwed up trikes abilities

yeah Ik

Anyways I hope there will be a trike buff soon

And as a sub trike, ur literally a take away meal for 200 mins

[thorny lynx]

The sub and adult trike gore damage needs to be increased

[minor dome]

sub trike is pretty strong when it starts getting to its midway point

against mid tier dinos anyway

[thorny lynx]

adult trike and sub trike could use 50 more damage

[valid flower]

They are extremely slow, so they can’t outrun allos, gigas, rexes, ceras etc

[barren zephyr]

@limpid turret Dinosaurs are not reptiles tough

[minor dome]

if trike had diablos healing abilities that would be pretty insane of a buff

when giga cant out heal you to bleed you out

[valid flower]

Any buff that would make trike harder to be hunted would be good

So gigas and rexes can hunt trikes skillfully

That adds more challenge into the game

Makes it more fun

[minor dome]

there doesnt seem to be any intention to make apex dinos including trike hard to grow so there will be a million of them

[valid flower]

And realistic

[minor dome]

as there is now

so all these buffs making them unkillable to miditeris is dumb imo

[jolly willow]

trike is awful rn

unfortunately

[valid flower]

Trikes are now the weakest apexes in survival sadly

[jolly willow]

p much

[valid flower]

All the rex and giga buffs screwed up the trike

They literally got a buff every patch

[jovial arch]

Trike just needs more stomp damage on adult

[woven marsh]

More stomp dmg and more bite dmg and bleed. Rexes and gigas should attack from behind or retreat.

[outer nebula]

@granite monolith limiting the amount of dinos to a server would take away peoples' ability to play the game that mean you basically taking the choice to play what ever they want. now for your second suggestion this is a survival game and if you broadcast you better be prepared for what comes your way

[granite monolith]

ok

but im saying

theres a option in the server thing

you can set rexes to 999 or make them not playable at all

[outer nebula]

there is its called sandbox and you can lock certain dinosaurs

but those are private servers the official servers will always allow as many of one dinosaur as they want

[waxen elk]

@proper crown Is this a joke?

[outer nebula]

@proper crown the gali is the second fastest creature in survival and can out run everything minus carno

[unborn quail]

Can also out turn carno with ease

[topaz palm]

Ambushing Utah is faster too but Gallis can dodge them as well.

[thorny lynx]

@proper crown ... Gallis can juke everything that exists in survival. They can make a full 180 turn in less than a half second. They do not need any more speed.

[native nebula]

@nocturne blaze the icon has been made smaller for the next update

[nocturne blaze]

ah, nice 👌

[compact matrix]

Hotfix to this patch or a full update?

[native nebula]

whatever comes out on steam next

[compact matrix]

Gotcha

[paper oriole]

lol somebody salty about diablos being able to stand up to mid tiers, herbivores need the strength really

[lone crypt]

No, I’m salty over the fact that mid tiers are fucking mauled by diablo without a chance

Not happy about losing my 3rd allo to a diablo that wouldn’t fuckin die

3 hits from a diablo and 3 bleed, on top of the base damage? Fuckin NUTS

diablo by all means should be able to defend itself, but a carnivore should be able to pick a fight and stand a chance

Not to mention I saw a rex get killed by 2 diablos in sandbox mode, and the Rex even used alt turn

[languid ember]

well then that's a shit rex and not a good enough argument to nerf dibble

[paper oriole]

yeah good on those diablos, i applaud them

they are what the herbis need

everybody's argument towards rex is "just avoid them lol" so maybe just avoid diablos?

[unborn quail]

I'm personally fine with Diablo as is

It should be a High Risk High reward target for mid tiers

[lone crypt]

Diablos are a pain in the ass and nothing that isn’t an apex can stand a chance

[unborn quail]

Sucho

[languid ember]

sucho fucking shits on it man

[vocal yacht]

Sucho nukes it

[lone crypt]

Oh, fine. Sucho and 2 other survival dinos. That totally makes up for the rest of them right guys

[unborn quail]

Two allos can nuke it too

[lone crypt]

haha no

[unborn quail]

But diablo can nuke it just as easily

[languid ember]

uhm yes, two allos can easily kill a dibble

[unborn quail]

I.E, High risk, high reward target

[lone crypt]

Diablo fucking tanks everything that isn’t an apex of sucho

I played diablo, it’s so easy to kill dinos it’s not even fun, no challenge whatsoever

[unborn quail]

That's kinda how ceratopsians should be, High damage tanky fuckers who are extremely hard to down

[vocal yacht]

Personally sucho needs no Nerf even after fish considering it needs to teach a lesson to others that dare attempt to make a meal of it

[lone crypt]

yeah, but that doesn’t mean 3 hits should out you on triple bleed

And not to mention that they’re decently fast for their stats, meaning they don’t know when to fuck off

either tweet the bleed multiplier or cut the stam, because right now, diablos aren’t a challenge, they’re just pains in the ass, even when you want NOTHING to do with them

[languid ember]

dibble is fine

[ionic comet]

I truly love the hypocrisy here

[lone crypt]

Wow what a compelling argument

“It’s fine” wow never saw it that way

[ionic comet]

Diablo is fine, i've been killed by allo packs before

[vocal yacht]

This is a problem in isle even with affinity coming it's not going to help knowing how some of those quests may involve say a hunt on something u can't come across, because one, big map and population is spread. With majority wanting to be Rex because it's dumb as fuck all rounder. Two ai is fucking rare, three if it mentions say for a giga to kill a para where do u find them, because people caught on how weak as piss it is

[languid ember]

you're just arguing that you can't solo something that is meant to be a tanky high damage fucker

[lone crypt]

Give me one reason why dibble should cause 3 bleed in 3 hits

[vocal yacht]

It shouldn't unless ur not full grown

[lone crypt]

And don’t give me some BS answer like “well it needs defense” because it already has a shitload of health and speed for its size

[ionic comet]

Allo is 34km and what is diablo? 31km, even if you don't feel confident fighting one you can easily escape

[languid ember]

because allo does a fuckton of bleed and heals 25 bleed a min resting, if dibble doesn't put you at a scary amount of bleed the allo will just put him at a lot of bleed, run back and heal off and come back leaving no counterplay for dibble

[lilac swallow]

@languid ember first herbi who is hard to hunt by same tier carni it has to be op

[lone crypt]

That’s for allo, I’m talking about other mid tiers as well

[ionic comet]

This is the exact mentality that causes all these herb nerfs

[languid ember]

why the fuck do you want carno and cerato to take on a dibble?

[lilac swallow]

Thats why trike will allways be doomed at apex sight

[unborn quail]

Carno and Cerato hunting diablo

Topkek

[vocal yacht]

Yeah as well as herbs been dicks to carnis so Nerf carnis

[unborn quail]

Cerato is basically a small tier, on par with Utah and Dilo, Carno is a small game hunter

[vocal yacht]

I mean herbs are fucking food for carnivores at the end of the day

[lone crypt]

Diablo should be able to defend itself, yes, but you can piss off if you think 3 bleed in 3 hits is justified with the current health and speed

[languid ember]

i guess it's fine that i killed 4 ceratos attacking my sucho but if dibble can solo one cerato it needs to be fucking nerfed

[ionic comet]

Allo could probably do the same to diablo

[vocal yacht]

That's the fucking point

[unborn quail]

Every carnivore that struggles against it is faster than diablo, So yes, It's justified

[lilac swallow]

Carno, the fastest thing in game suited for hunting fast guys and you are trying to take down a slow tank, you are just not using your greatest strenght

[unborn quail]

^

[vocal yacht]

Look at carno what the fuck that thing gonna do to a dibble

[lilac swallow]

Run

Thats what carno do

[vocal yacht]

Go hunt your prey unless u have a pack

[lone crypt]

Diablo should be able to drop a Carno with ease, but to fuck an allo into next week in the blink of an eye? No

[ionic comet]

So diablo should just have no chance against allo?

I think you forgetting allos are nearly always in groups, and they do decent damage/bleed too

[lone crypt]

It should, but allo shouldn’t get torn a new asshole when it goes anywhere NEAR a dibble

[languid ember]

guess what, allo does more bleed to a dibble per bite than dibble does to allo, so sir you can fuck of if you think it's ok that allo puts dibble at 3 bleed in 3 bites

[cyan flame]

Well, one allo should probably not mess with one diablo unless it gets the ambush and can inflict bleed before getting hit in return

[vocal yacht]

If it's from behind no herb should stand a chance

[cyan flame]

Two allos should be able to deal with one dibble I think

[languid ember]

they can perfectly fine

[lilac swallow]

Allo isnt a brawler is more like a bleeder dobt try tontake down the best mid tier brawler if not in a pack

[unborn quail]

Group numbers don't have a stand point in balance, anything can pack

[ionic comet]

Whenever a herb kills a pred people demand a nerf

[unborn quail]

SO i'd recommend leaving that out

[languid ember]

i don't see why you're complaining so much about dibble bleed when allo does more to dibble per bite than dibble does to allo

[unborn quail]

^

[lilac swallow]

If diablo were actually hunting down everithing at sight i could understand a nerf but what a diablo will kill if everithing slower than it is also stronger?

[lone crypt]

Because dibble has more than enough health and speed for its size, considering the current attack?

[ionic comet]

Diablo is only 31km, slightly faster than giga.

[languid ember]

imagine wanting to nerf the brawler because the smaller bleeder can't solo it

kek

[lilac swallow]

Just dont hunt it down if you dont have a pack that covers you when you heal, easy

[lone crypt]

Imagine thinking Diablo’s bleed infliction is justified on top of its other stats

Feel bad for those people

[languid ember]

i feel bad for you being the only one against dibbles bleed, must feel bad being alone

[lone crypt]

Yeah, didn’t think people had their head so far up their ass it came back out their neck

Feelsbadman

[lilac swallow]

I mean i dont see utah or dilo player complaining because they get 1/2 shoted by everithing theuy allways take smaller preys if they arent in a pack

[ionic comet]

The pred bias is strong in this one

[lone crypt]

So is the herb bias

[languid ember]

my nose is totally blocked from the flu but i can smell the bias thorugh my monitor

[lilac swallow]

Herbi bias is non existent in this whole community

[cyan flame]

How about you.. keep it reasonable? :p

[paper oriole]

hey TooManyCooks, too much salt is bad for your health

[cyan flame]

But dibble is pretty much a tinier trike.. treat it accordlingly.. a solo giga taking a solo trike is.. questionble, a solo allo taking a solo dibble might be the same?

[lilac swallow]

The dibble dont need to attack you and wont hunt you down if it kills younis because you and only you started a fight you shouldnt have started

[lone crypt]

Yes, it will be the same when trike is faster and can fuck anything that it feels like

[lilac swallow]

Trike wont get faster

[ionic comet]

Jumping to assumptions now?

[paper oriole]

yeah he is becoming delusional in his rage that an herbivore defended itself and won

[lilac swallow]

Trike will only be faster than sauropods maybe

[cyan flame]

Why would trike get faster? :p

[lone crypt]

No, erik said that a trike vs giga is the same as doable vs allo

[cyan flame]

Allos are faster than dibbles?

[lone crypt]

It’s not, but it WILL be when trike is faster

[lilac swallow]

Trike wont get faster ( i had a deja vu)

[lone crypt]

Hey buddy how long until you realize I’m talking about how dull your point was

[cyan flame]

So.. whats the actual issue Cooks? Can the dibble run you down as allo?

[lilac swallow]

I think eve troting an allo can try and scape

[lone crypt]

Yeah, diablos will shove bleed ticks up your ass until they’re in your mouth, and won’t piss off

[cyan flame]

.... that means you're fighting it?..

[ionic comet]

Should've been more careful about what you hunted

[cyan flame]

So.. we're back to the idea that a solo allo should not fight a solo dibble? :p

[lone crypt]

Did i not just say that diablos won’t piss off

[cyan flame]

But if you're not bleeding, whats the issue?

Can't you outrun/outtrot/escape them.. they also have to stop to sniff so..

[lone crypt]

The fact they won’t piss off

How hard is that for anyone here to understand?

[ionic comet]

Great reason to nerf diablos

[lilac swallow]

Allos like other bleeder are more suited for para, a big dino that even if capable of fighting is more suited for running

[cyan flame]

Because you're acting as if you can't escape a dibble

And I'm asking if that's the case, can a dibble run you down if it wants to?

[ionic comet]

You have so many advantages in terms of mobility yet you complaining about not being able to escape?

[cyan flame]

I'm not familiar with the matchup, but the allo does have more speed than the dibble, that much I'm sure on

[lone crypt]

Yeah, because the fuckers can put bleed on you faster than you get a chance

[cyan flame]

....

Then don't get close to them?

[ionic comet]

You can do the exact same

[lilac swallow]

Only way you couldnt scape a dibble is by running in circle to waste your stam

[lone crypt]

I’m literally saying that dibble’s bleed is too high, and you guys are coming at me with absolute BS

[cyan flame]

You're not making a good case for the point though

[ionic comet]

Allo deals more bleed than dibble so that's irrelevant

[languid ember]

you're saying a dibble can just put bleed on you and chase you

Just don't fucking mess with it then

[lone crypt]

this isn’t just about allo, this is about, once FUCKIN AGAIN, everything that isn’t sucho or an apex

[lilac swallow]

We said you shouldnt have started the fight vs the dibble in first is that hard to understand?

[cyan flame]

And thats not an issue neccesarily

A carno should never mess with a dibble

[ionic comet]

Cerato, carno, etc shouldn't be tussling with dibbles

[cyan flame]

A cerato probably shouldn't either, now that they're no longer "cerato rex" and all that

[ionic comet]

Unless they in a group

[lone crypt]

Dibble by all means should be able to fight an allo, but that’s not justification for the bleed it inflicts, holy shit what is so hard to understand

[cyan flame]

They're not big enough, not powerful enough, not strong enough, to fight something built for facetanking.. :p Especially not carno..

You're having issues with the bleed when there's no reason to have issue with the bleed..

[lone crypt]

I lost brain cells on how fucking far you missed my point

[lilac swallow]

Only way you would care about dibble bleed being so high is because you soloed it but thats irrelevant because you shouldnt have soloed it in first place

[cyan flame]

So whats the damn point then?.. :p

[lone crypt]

Diablo bleed too high, 3 hits causing 3 bleed + base damage is too high

[paper oriole]

his point is he's mad that a diablo can kill him

[ionic comet]

Tf

[lone crypt]

How fucking hard is it to read for you

[lilac swallow]

@lone crypt pls read my last message

[lone crypt]

I read it

[lilac swallow]

And?

[jovial skiff]

huh let me guess

[ionic comet]

Basically complaining about being killed by a dibble

[lilac swallow]

If you dont fight something you dont care about its bleed

[jovial skiff]

u were trying to fight a diablo as a allo

[cyan flame]

I've read that Cooks, I do not agree, three hits causing three bleed sounds okay

I do not see the issue

[lone crypt]

and I couldn’t give a fuck because it’s like saying you shouldn’t care about ANY dinos attack because it only happens when you encounter them

[ionic comet]

And what if you found a sucho?

That attacked you

[jovial skiff]

wat dino were u>

[cyan flame]

The diablo is a bit heavier, and stronger, not to mention that it's built for facetanking/brawling.. it's fine? It's a dangerous prey that should not be approached on your own

[lilac swallow]

@lone crypt if the diablo were capable of chasing you down ye It is relevant but only way to get hit by diablo is by aproaching It yourself

[lone crypt]

hooooooly shit diable should by all means be able to fight an allo and win, but it can do so without the insane amount of bleed it inflicts, the sooner you wrap that around your fuckin heads the sooner ill stop losing brain cells

Jesus fucking Christ it’s not hard to read

[lilac swallow]

Is like puerta one shoting everithing you dont care because It wont even try to attack you

[cyan flame]

How about you actually .. you know, behave, instead of insulting others cause they do not agree? :p

[ionic comet]

You still want one of diablos best defenses to be nerfed?

[lone crypt]

I’m insulting others because nobody seems to understand what I’m saying

[lilac swallow]

We all understand

[lone crypt]

and it’s pissing me off big time

[cyan flame]

No, I think we do, but I at least do not agree, I do not think the bleed is too high, or, I simply do not see the issue with the bleed being that high. All there is to it

[languid ember]

you seem to jump from stupid arguments to another one and then getting pissed when people don't agree

[jovial skiff]

U should not solo a diablo tbh

[ionic comet]

We understand, just don't agree

[lilac swallow]

The thing you dont understand is you only get hit by dibble because you want

[cyan flame]

Maybe you could nerf the bleed 5 or so, but I'm not sure it would do much of a difference in what you've experience

So maybe the dibble would need a fourth hit, would that help out then?

[lone crypt]

@languid ember you seem to only want to make a point when you feel like you can make a good point and then ignore everything else

@cyan flame fucking THANK YOU

[cyan flame]

How many hits do you think a diablo should need to put you at max bleed then? Vs how many hits should an allo need to max the diablos bleed?

[languid ember]

why should i make points when i can't make good ones? then i turn into you just spitting out supid ones

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure if you have an issue with the bleed amount, or the result to be honest

And I'm sorry if I'm missing the point, I just don't really get it, if the dibble requires a fourth hit, I doubt it would do much difference for the matchup, so.. no real need to change that, if the end result might be the same anyway?..

[lone crypt]

hooooooly shit diable should by all means be able to fight an allo and win, but it can do so without the insane amount of bleed it causes per hit, 5 hits from a diablo causing triple bleed is justifiable, but 3 bleed in 3 hits is stupidly strong for something its size

Last time I’m saying that

[languid ember]

nerfing dibble bleed just makes it easier for sucho to shitfuck it without thinking twice

[ionic comet]

It wouldn't really make a difference

[cyan flame]

Alright, maybe five hits would be better

But how many hits does it take for an allo?

[lone crypt]

Sucho is getting a nerf with fish anyways @languid ember

[ionic comet]

Diablo doesn't need a nerf

[cyan flame]

Because I do feel like an equal trade might be relatively fair, so if it takes five hits for the dibble, it should probably take five hits for the allo too?

[languid ember]

allo does more bleed to dibble per bite than dibble does to allo

but that's ok i guess

[lone crypt]

Because allo doesn’t inflict the same amount of damage

[ionic comet]

@cyan flame Fights like that never work out

[unborn quail]

Sucho's nerf isn't confirmed

[lilac swallow]

Reapeating myself like you repeat yourself, if you arent supposed to get hit by dibble because you arent supposed to attack one why you care?

[languid ember]

dibble does less bleed and more damage, what's the issue?

[lone crypt]

@unborn quail yeaaaaaa it was

[unborn quail]

No it isn't

[cyan flame]

Maybe not Wasup, just thinking out loud :p

[unborn quail]

Dondi said he 'expects' to tone down it stats

[lone crypt]

I gtg, but I’m sending you a screenshot of the sucho nerf when I can @unborn quail

[unborn quail]

Never came out and it would be nerfed

Especially when as it stands, Sucho doesn't need a nerf

Even with fish

Not to mention that he never went into detail on what stats would be toned down

Regardless, A Sucho nerf, when we have no idea what it is, or if it's still happening, has no basis in a conversation about current game stats

[hazy sparrow]

Sucho just recently got a buff though, you're suggesting they unbuff sucho? That's disgusting.

[barren zephyr]

when fish comes there wont be a need for buffing or nerfing, cause he will be eating all of the fish

[violet magnet]

but he'll still be slow on land and will need a way to defend himself from land predators

high damage is a good deterrent and would make other midtiers think twice about messing with him

[reef merlin]

if sucho dont get popular after the fishing is added cause of nerf ... i hope they will revert it

[paper oriole]

i'd love for them to add researchers, easy food!

[tame bane]

Me too. I want to play Dinosaur Snap. Could we put them in a little cart too?

Okay, seriously now, not opposed to the idea. I wouldn't mind it. Would like to see how the mechanics would work.

[lone rapids]

When you're spam hitting a dino but it doesent make sound all the time does it still do damage?

[still temple]

dynamic swimming for succ wen

[pseudo falcon]

@empty junco the area of the map you're addressing in #401481402782056460 has been fenced off it the latest patch because it's incomplete. They definetly have plans for it in the future though.

[violet magnet]

@lone rapids if you're spam biting a dino and it doesn't make the hurt noise that means you're not hitting it, dude

[lone rapids]

I mean im not changing where im hitting him, im literally spam clicking in the same spot but most of my bites doesent make noise but some do

[still temple]

Tail swipes should cost stamina for species that aren’t particularly adapted to using their tails as a weapon

[clear turret]

Getting real tired of people posting "counter" suggestions or feedback in those channels in direct response to someone else.

[reef merlin]

#general-feedback-discussion dhu

ppl will react to your suggestion and have different opinion

[clear turret]

Yee like, it is exactly what this channel is for, my guy

[wheat hemlock]

@patent grove
Idk why devs didn't give it significant superiority in water (huge boost of speed) Sucho is basically a C-TEC Rex...

People can give bullshit excuse" Suchos were not torpedos in water, they were just a fisher" well where are the fish? make him good before the mechanics come

[patent grove]

ikr, suchos feel useless in both water and land atm. Any dino sprinting and jumping in the water can easily catch a sucho

I feel suchos should be the absolute kings in the water, and thats not the case, specially in smaller lakes

[clear turret]

Suchomimus wasn't a crocodile. It wasn't built to be a particularly strong swimmer. Would have lived more like a heron.

Realism card aside, swim speed buffs won't make it any more viable than it already is. IF suchomimus could use anything it'd be a dmg or bite speed buff, and trot speed. MAYBE a Sprint speed buff but idk.

[wheat hemlock]

you didn't read what i said @clear turret

People can give bullshit excuse" Suchos were not torpedos in water, they were just a fisher" well where are the fish? make him good before the mechanics come

[patent grove]

yeah, give ppl a reason to actually play him, and not be rex all the time

[clear turret]

I did read, which is why I said realism aside

[wheat hemlock]

It would make him viable though.. atleast a little more

[clear turret]

Still don't think swim speed is the way to do it

[wheat hemlock]

Making him faster would make him no different than an allo.. He needs his own unique feature

before Fish get added and submerge mechanics

Faster on land*

[clear turret]

Which is why I said idk about Sprint speed

[patent grove]

a significant water speed buff would do it for me. it might not be great to catch prey but it would be at escaping predators

[wheat hemlock]

Most people argue that Sucho needs a sprint speed increase to make him able to escape apexes, if his sprint speed gets increased, how different is he from Allo? Trot should be improved but that doesn't fix it

Basically Sucho is shit is what im trying to say xD

We had 2 patches where devs buffed sucho's speed in water, but as DarkHorux mentioned, a running giga or Rex can sprint into that water and still manage to catch him, rendering him useless in water, and on land because of his slow movement

[clear turret]

I personally think sucho would be best balanced like Rex is (supposed to be): bad stam, avg to slow trot, INCREDIBLE ambush.

[wheat hemlock]

True, ambush from the water would be amazing wouldn't it?

I know it's a Crocodillian thing but still, no crocodiles or submerge feature

[rigid tartan]

ok so lets look, you boost sucho swim speed. and a bit on land. croc gets added, hes now made redundant in the water as he loses out speed-wise and damage-wise. and he's pretty terrible on land too. i see sucho going down the pan honestly

[clear turret]

Plus the fast ambush would technically increase swim speed? If you go into the water with it bc of how water momentum works.

[wheat hemlock]

Yea, sucho will be in a weird place once Deino is added..

[rigid tartan]

same place its always been "the nowhere" space lol

[regal pecan]

Deinosuchus will make Suchomimus go extinct

[wheat hemlock]

He would have to be weaker than deino in water, but better on land

[rigid tartan]

which he wont be

he will still get buttfuxed on land, and then in the water

ragequit suchos

[wheat hemlock]

Yea.. I saw Dev's running test for deino, that thing moves fast...

[rigid tartan]

lost cause

lol

[patent grove]

it can be changed

they will adjust

hopefully

[wheat hemlock]

Im still waiting for my Deino, once it's in i can die in peace

Yea maybe

Or replace Sucho with a Bary, faster on land but also semi aquatic..

[rigid tartan]

they cant really adjust anything tho. the deino would be better than the sucho in water, and every other med tier carniv is pretty much better than sucho on land

hes just in a crap spot

[regal pecan]

I would prefer humans to any dino that they have in mind for survival tbh

[rigid tartan]

yeah replce sucho with bary would make more sense

[leaden night]

Can't increase Sucho speed without invalidating other mid-tier carnis

No it wouldn't

That's another 7k needed

[rigid tartan]

then what do you suggest rofl

[leaden night]

Sucho sits around and suffers really

[wheat hemlock]

Bary would be weaker than Allo and even Carno, but Fast as a Dilo and half as good in water as Deino, perhaps

[leaden night]

There's no way to fix Sucho that I can currently think of

And it'll get a nerf once fish comes and so

[wheat hemlock]

Yea, nothing that would keep the balance..

[regal pecan]

Sucho is really strong thou..only Apex are a problem to him atm

[rigid tartan]

dunno.. i regularly kill suchos with allo

just too slow

[regal pecan]

With allo? Damn...i destroy allos solo with a sucho..yesterday ive killed 3 with a full grown one...

[wheat hemlock]

That's the problem Peacock, Apexes...

[rigid tartan]

what do u mean ttv.