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#general-feedback-discussion
robust flare
When I die to a giga it’s because I don’t break its leg on bite one which is really unlucky
jolly willow
do people not understand anymore
rex is the ambush pred, it has a lot of speed to counter its shitty stamina and it has a bad turn radius.
giga is the sprinter. he can outstam things and catch up with most of its prey, and has a good turn radius
at this point why even bother to shift the rex v giga matchup anymore
its the closest its ever been to a solid 50/50
and the only thing really standing in it imo is BB
but thats its own issue that gives a bad experience to the rex and the giga
clever leaf
stego and anky aren't practical to add until after rework
stego requires locational damage
anky wouldnt work without his armor
pine shore
To be fair, adding more herbivores to counter the Apexes isn't the right way to go in the first place.
clever leaf
They'll be trash if you just throw them in right now.
pine shore
If there's too many Apexes the adding of more herbivores isn't gonna change anything.
You need to grab the problem by the core and reduce the amount of Apexes allowed to team up together and there you go, you'll have less issues to begin with.
clever leaf
It would just add on to the problem tbh
pine shore
I suggested lowering the Apex limit and it's got a ton of upvotes just a bit further up
we'll see what happens
candid quiver
The 3+ apex death squads are unstoppable
desert prairie
I rarely see apexs fight eachother because none of them want to start over that dumb 7 hour timer
robust flare
Yeah I saw 3 adult gigas and 3 adult rexs intimidate each other for the longest time, got some bites in then ran away
violet magnet
because apexes are cowards 
"oh no i might lose my 7 hour rex"
"which i grew to demolish everything below me"
desert prairie
Yeah if they add some sort of system that reduces grow tome for doing x then people would not be so scared to fight
waxen elk
A?A?A?A?A? 7 hOuRS iS nOTHinG e?e?e?e?e?e?e?e?ee\
Ok shitty joke aside
Of course apexes don't fight eachother
Unless yknow
Kamikaze
violet magnet
7 hours is a long-ass time but why even bother if you're going to exclusively hunt ai and smaller things that can't realistically fight back
robust flare
Whenever I make an apex it’s to fight other apexs
I’ll rarely go for something smaller
barren zephyr
i go for lone gigas as a rex.
pine shore
To each their own I'd say, some people like to fight other Apexes, some don't - the people that have less time on their hands usually run away or back out from a confrontation, which is understandable. If it takes you three days in total (saying you can play 1-2 hours a day or a bit more) to get a dinosaur I doubt you want to play the "am I gonna get broken first or is he gonna get broken first" minigame. I wouldn't. 😂
pseudo falcon
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like stego won't be very good at taking on apexes
desert prairie
Well that depends if they change it
Most tail fighting dinos wont be good unless they are in a herd
and I just hope anky is a 4 hour growing time
because I dont have 7 hours to spend to grow a good dino
pseudo falcon
Lol
I mean anky I can see soloing a rex
I just can't picture stego doing that
@hoary ocean feels like you recently watched Peter Jackson's King Kong or something to give you that idea, I love it lol.
@stray citrus they already recently made the visual difference for a nest invite very obvious. I don't think something like that is necessary. Considering you have to press F1, a key that's out of your way to press to begin with, you should take a momment to read the invite.
random knoll
th nest inv also has a nest on it...its not hard to tell which is which
stray citrus
I'm just suggesting it because my friend lost his giga by accepting a friend request since he expected a group invite <_<
random knoll
its really really not hard to read a few words
pseudo falcon
Its just kind of a pointless addition
As he'd probably hit yes to "are you sure" just as senselessly
stray citrus
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Food for thought, I honestly don't need it lol, just want to keep people from doing dumb things
random knoll
natural selction
violet magnet
like...accepting a nest invite without reading first? 
stray citrus
Aye
astral forge
exactly
pseudo falcon
Well tell you what, that won't help them stop being dumb
astral forge
like damn just read
stray citrus
Reading is hard :(
astral forge
i dont think its that hard
violet magnet
maybe the "are you sure" comes up ONLY on nest invites
random knoll
dont nest invs have a nest on them now??
pseudo falcon
Or is specifically for people deemed dumb
astral forge
i know group invites have a picture
stray citrus
You have an option to turn it off maybe, even
astral forge
when you download the game you get a popup:
random knoll
nest also do
astral forge
are you retarded?
stray citrus
So you don't have are you sure every single time
pseudo falcon
Lmao
random knoll
theres no need
stray citrus
Lmao
random knoll
Natural Selection
desert prairie
Except anky does not have bone break anymore
pseudo falcon
Lesson learnt
random knoll
anky aint a surivail dino yet
desert prairie
yet they took it away from anky
pseudo falcon
I'm just saying anky is out of the herbivores you mentioned the most likely to take on apexes
desert prairie
I know
I hope its able to
other wise I probably wont play it
its like trike, slow as shit but hits hard
pseudo falcon
Stego doesn't feep like it could do a whole lot
pseudo falcon
Unless its bigger than the current stego in game is
If stego got a size increase and would do more than just smack apex ankles with a spikey stick maybe I could see it holding its own
desert prairie
that's exactly what anky does except it's a club
pseudo falcon
Yeah, but anky's club has weight to it
desert prairie
Anything with kinetic energy is deadly as hell
pseudo falcon
I mean yeah, but lets theoretically decide how much a stego would weigh
violet magnet
@barren zephyr bruh
pseudo falcon
Lets say 4 tones
violet magnet
don't tag Dondi wtf is u doin
random knoll
shh hes ded now
pseudo falcon
An apex is 2 tones heavier
violet magnet
rip
pseudo falcon
Dead
astral forge
bruh
violet magnet
bruh
astral forge
brun.
barren zephyr
@violet magnet calm ye ass down sry alright lol
desert prairie
Cant out run them tho and lets be real
pseudo falcon
Mind you with its current stats it cant really lol
desert prairie
do you ever see a lone apex?
random knoll
the most i can see stego doing is getting them low af on bleed
desert prairie
I hate the new bleed changes
desert prairie
just makes dinos like dilo and giga work harder for their supposed roles
pseudo falcon
Anky on the other hand
If it can break their legs
Thats a game changer
Which it should be able to
desert prairie
I swear if anky can't clap apexs then there is really no point to play one
random knoll
its not surivald dino i assume
pseudo falcon
And if they made it to survival with their current stats then they'd still be super fun to kill mid tiers and low tiers with
desert prairie
reeee if its not a survival dino why they messing with it
astral forge
yall keep reminding me when i clapped a rex's ass as an anky in survival
random knoll
pff
astral forge
dude that rex was dumb
pseudo falcon
I got rekt 2v1 2 ankies 1 rex
Me and my friend didn't stand a chance against a rex who knew what they were doing
desert prairie
bone break city
but for real if they get bone break and they are in a herd with a trike
astral forge
it was technically 2 ankies v 1 rex but
desert prairie
nothing would mess with that herd
pseudo falcon
I can still see trike having bone break on its stomp
desert prairie
eh
pseudo falcon
Idk why rex gets special treatment
desert prairie
^
pseudo falcon
If that boy stomped on you
random knoll
rex would be shit without bonebreak
pseudo falcon
You'd die
desert prairie
because all the rex mains would be screeching
random knoll
as far as i am aware
desert prairie
if your bone does get broken you're pretty much dead
pseudo falcon
Rex could be great given a bit more stam regen
desert prairie
No way around it unless that rex is shit
random knoll
once collison is it that should help
random knoll
oof
random knoll
who knows
pseudo falcon
To finish the recode, and then add good collision
I kinda doubt that would be their priority
random knoll
welp guess we have to wait and see
pseudo falcon
It'll likely have to be brand new content being added to survival
thorny lynx
Devs said only a few months for the code rework. I think they threw out most of the spaghetti code.
Maybe 3Q 2019 we will expect huge updates n shit
lone crypt
Wait, dondi said that he won’t take suggestions from people who don’t read the rules. Are there rules for the suggestions? I can’t find them
mental sleet
not what he meant
lone crypt
o
Wait, what did he mean? I’m pretty slow sometimes
Maybe say it in #401470471750811669 and ping me to keep the channel less flooded, or not, idk
full moon
I think someone made some wild suggestion not even related to the isle?
Or a person who pinged a dev which says do not do in the rules
barren zephyr
Collision, affinity, humans, deinosuchus...im starting to think that thats something for mid 2020 
barren zephyr
Idk...im just not expecting all that stuff to come out this year, and now they re making camara and i really thought that deinosuchus was a priority..but that croc without fish wont make sense, they need to add fish...confused..they have so many stuff to do...
mental sleet
They have time, let's see how it goes
hazy sparrow
Sniff in the rain for Semi-aquatics wouldn't be terrible. They are adapted to such things. (Footprints get washed away in the rain anyway though, so not much point)
Cross-Species group invites should be disabled unless Herbivore(of similar genus) (Dibble/Trike for example)
Constantly getting group invites from random people is annoying, especially since they are trying to find you to hunt you, and not to be in a group.
next nexus
then press f3 and block their invites
hazy sparrow
It's not always the same person...
next nexus
it tends to be only certain people though, so once you've blocked them it'll slow down to not be "constantly"
blocked invites are saved over, so the usual suspects that use this tactic shouldn't be such a big deal
hell, if you really wanna go the extra mile you can just insta block everyone on the server list before you're spammed via the tab player list menu
still temple
"archeoterix"
yes indeed
wraith trout
honestly, Why would anyone want to play as what is essentially a flightless pigeon
People must fail to realize how small compsognathus and archeaopteryx were.
wraith trout
And compsognathus was not much larger
Compare that to the smallest animal ingame currently, the psittacosaurus
still temple
isn't in game taco only 1m long
wraith trout
Is it? interesting
still temple
assuming 1 in game tile in sandbox = 1m
wraith trout
Still much larger than archeopteryx
hazy sparrow
😃 lidl scavengers
If the AI velo can go around attacking players, compy would be hilarious in little herds, taking down all the juvies
hiding in trees 😛
odd idol
@lapis crow Hey dude, if you wish to reply to things posted in #general-feedback, you have to do it here.
dapper quail
@fallow cypress Anky isnt in survival yet, they arent too worried about giving it bonebreak 😦
fallow cypress
true
glass blaze
@kindred zodiac The only reason we don't have fresh body scent already is due to engine limitations. I believe that was stated in a developer Q&A awhile back.
kindred zodiac
@glass blaze ah didn't know that, but would it be possible to just have the blood not despawn around the body? or is that the same issue?
glass blaze
That I don't know.
versed blaze
Ah, sounds like you might get your wish after the recode then
violet magnet
something to do with how certain things like rivers, bodies of water and gores can be programmed to light up when you sniff, but since dead bodies use the same mesh as living bodies it's currently not possible to have just dead bodies light up with scent or else that would apply to all the living dinos in your scent range as well
it was explained better in a dev stream but idk if it got clipped :/
spiral pond
Pretty sure all 3 will get added down the line into survival Madrex
barren zephyr
Ppl making suggestions for dinos that arent even in survival like herrera
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr herrera is one of those dinos with a planned mechanic giving it a high possibility it might come to survival.
what planned mechanic? as far as i know the devs didnt even talked about herrera or any sandbox dinos except for camara...so thats just speculations.
normal fern
Para would literally chase down and slaughter allos, ceratos and dilos pre-nerf.
Stop acting like it was "balanced" the nerf was justified
@ionic comet
ionic comet
How did it when the attack that slaughtered them forced it to stop leaving its behind vulnerable?
@normal fern
normal fern
Because it literally two shot allos, it doesn't need to hit it often, but the fact that it was faster just meant that para could keep trying again and again until whatever it was attacking was dead.
Add in to the fact that paras hitbox literally stretched all the way back to the hips and the most any Allo/cerato/dilo could do was hope that the para gave up.
There was no assriding them, no facetanking them and no running from them
ionic comet
Then a simple fix was fixing broken hitboxes
Or they could've made para slightly slower than allo but still faster than the apexes
normal fern
That's exactly what they did
normal fern
And then it got a speedbuff
normal fern
Better than it being a god
ionic comet
They could've kept its damage and just lowered its speed to be slower than allo but not considerably
The balance in this game always fascinates me
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr herrera being able to climb trees and stuff, forgive me for pinging
desert prairie
Ya know they did something wrong with para because no one plays it
3 hour growth time, can barely take on mid tiers
Feels bad
marble valley
I honestly feel like para is fine. It's probably not quite 'right' yet, but it's perfectly viable. Diablo and Pachy could definitely use something like what was suggested, I don't know anything about trike but they are one of those dinosaurs that seems to constantly faze between being ludicrously over powered and worthless. Honestly it might be best to make trike a sanbox/ai dinosaur and take diablo and make him a little more beefy. Make him the tanky herbivore, but not strong enough to fight a rex or a giga. That way you don't have herbivore herds fighting rexes or gigas but they still have a tanky type for use against the ever present allo packs, plus given smaller size it could actually be fast enough (at least in theory) to escape from gigas/rexes
maiden tartan
Devs need to decide what they want their game to be. If they want it to be a hardcore survival game, every dino needs a way to survive in their tier. If they want it to be a dino sim, they can inbalance things accordingly. If its a hardcore survival, then all apexes need to be 50/50 balanced. Including trike.
copper epoch
Anyone play Turok 2008? Human gameplay should be like that imo, would be cool
desert prairie
lmao this dude asking to buy the game in suggestions
light oak
For those who qq about spamming points... Thats whats nesting system is for...
buoyant sandal
When it takes longer to get to juvie as a hatchling than 2 walk to your party there's a problem imo
acoustic basin
Right now, the apexes are balanced to each other. The first hit/ambush is really a gamechanger
civic sky
Sadly...
spiral pond
Uh idk what to even say to you wanting to have dilo worse turning radius
It already turns bad
So idk what to tell you
outer nebula
they mean make the turn radius smaller
shell willow
I feel bad for dilos. Their turn radius makes them bitches for Utahs.
spiral pond
The only time a dilo can fight Utah is if it can ambush one and hide itself
lone crypt
When alt turn is permanently enabled, it might makes things easier
civic sky
@shut gale personally I would love that for trike, 👌
shut gale
^,^
civic sky
Not to mention, a rex will especially be rewarded because when you ambush the trike you’re more likely to break its bones and as we all know bb=no stomp which means food not to mention you’ll likely walk away with no harm done.
Which is okay, that’s the reward an ambushing rex gets.
shut gale
mhm exactly
shut gale
no but if you get a free bite you have better chances of wining
civic sky
^, Also keep in mind that when locational damage is in you’ll have even more reason to ambush trike
In fact if that were added before any trike buff then that alone would be enough
hollow marlin
• Ankylosaurus should have 60 percent or more of breaking a bone
• Stegosaurus and trike have to stop bleeding due to their spikes
I read your opinions
sorry there was a bad translation of mine
I meant that by attacking someone, blood. Google Translate goes pretty bad
civic sky
Indeed haha
Personally I always said to remove trike stomp and rely more on the gore. Then replace the stomp with the charge mechanic if it’s still planned
But should the stomp remain then funsu’s suggestion would be great.
hasty parcel
always love reading your Suggestion Documents, Kingjaffad. Love the amount of thought put into them
hollow marlin
@civic sky Yes, I just read your suggestion and I liked it a lot
shell willow
(Sorry for pinging you) @blazing charm I love your austro doc! The floating like ducklings thing sounds really cute and neat. Makes me think of baby deinos using them for easy snacks though ;v;
blazing charm
That's the idea.
shell willow
The amount of austro players that would stay on the water though
The baby float is too much to ignore
blazing charm
The amount of austro players that would drown or get eaten.
shell willow
That too
umbral prairie
@stuck geode Deinosuchus is planned to be a survival creature
stuck geode
I meant like a fast runner, like maybe a packing species?
umbral prairie
what would that be tho
stuck geode
Gorgonops maybe? or dimetrodon
next nexus
unlikely
stuck geode
how so @next nexus
next nexus
because why bother?
stoic token
@wicked ivy if you couldn’t find a i that’s not their fault, do you think Rex’s had only the big ai spawn behind them? No, it’s survival and realistic, things die to starvation sometimes.
next nexus
and dont just say "because they are cool"
umbral prairie
because they were planned for years and play a part in the lore?
next nexus
what does a gorgonops have that makes it unique from a gameplay standpoint, what can you suggest as a mechanic to make them unique from the already overloaded playable roster?
umbral prairie
also wouldn't dimetrodons get wrecked by pretty much everything in the Isle? And wouldn't it be too slow to run away?
next nexus
as to answer your question; hypers act as end game content and goals for dinosaur players to work towards, acting as super powerful weapons of mass destruction for a limited time period
barren zephyr
floarting raptorlings
I gave King the idea tho ._.
blazing charm
I credited you.
wicked ivy
@stoic token they didnt spawn untill i was on 3rd blood screen and still ended up dying to it, and i was in a spot where i have grown apexes to fully grown before without a problem so its not my fault they dont spawn
stoic token
Maybe start moving around?
stoic token
Group up with people. More hungry bellies means higher AI spawn chance
wicked ivy
i was there with 2 other gigas and it stopped spawning
tired rover
Thats satisfying @thorny lynx
thorny lynx
ty
barren zephyr
what about dilo tho?
thorny lynx
yeh, I gave the boi some love
hazy sparrow
Where are these people getting these images from? They're not even suggesting their own ideas, just google docs other people made 🤔
barren zephyr
shell willow
I like the marking territory thing, but what color would pee be highlighted in? Yellow like footprints? Ig that makes some sense. I don’t think dinosaurs marked territory with piss though.
barren zephyr
hey how about making pee have a different scent colour when it is of the same species.
shell willow
SUGGESTION DISCUSSION
robust flare
Make the apex hit box the same as everyone’s, or make everyone’s the same as apex
So it’s a bit more balanced
silver dagger
I don't think it's intentional that the hitboxes are wonky.
hazy sparrow
Bears scratch up trees, cats rub their foreheads over everything, hippos fling poo everywhere, either way
crystal minnow
Whats up guys? You dont get what i want to say in my suggestion?
silver dagger
You want rex bodies to give more food, but that won't really encourage them to be hunted like you're hoping. It'll just allow rexes to sustain themselves better when one in their pack does end up dying.
spiral pond
@feral turret Giga already outstams rex, and it regens stam while walking
feral turret
That was supposed to be a response to the guy who posted above me
feral turret
Theres no feedback discussion channel so I just used that channel lol
jovial arch
@barren zephyr my dude why are decreasing maia growth time
barren zephyr
all of them should be decreased.
barren zephyr
so what?
jovial arch
your proposed version grows faster than utah
jovial arch
not long ago
barren zephyr
Im just saying
barren zephyr
im playing atleast on 5 server frequently
jovial arch
i saw a herd of 5 maias
waxen talon
The issue is apexes
barren zephyr
rather see maias running around than 300 carnos
waxen talon
not the rest
jovial arch
i dont see suchos or allos either
i dont see dilos, or ceratos
any more than i see the herbis
barren zephyr
I can understand what you saying. But why would i pick a para over an allo?
almost the same times yet allo is a generalist
waxen talon
What?
jovial arch
para is faster and has more stam
barren zephyr
and creates a way better experience
barren zephyr
yes
waxen talon
Or are you only playing this game to minmax?
jovial arch
i mean
look
im not saying there aren't issues with carnivore hunger/ai
but that doesn't mean that we should buff herbi growth times
barren zephyr
minmax?
jovial arch
just cause carnivores are broken
jovial arch
i mean
waxen talon
Then you're not looking around much.
jovial arch
im bored of only seeing apexes
barren zephyr
I'm just saying lot of the people want to see more herbivore. And i as a core carnivore player would do it if it's get's decreased growth time.
Otherwise no.
waxen talon
It's apexes that are way to plenty.
barren zephyr
Feel like progression was better with herbi-carni ratio, probably with the forced eco system.
Im talking about ratio
jovial arch
you're suggesting to buff these herbis
when playing carnivore is easier to grow than herbis
of course there are more carnivores
they're easier to grow
like, they actually are
barren zephyr
my suggestion is only focusing on that herbivores should get love because it's fucking disgusting how everyone plays carnivores (apexes included or concluded whatever)
waxen talon
And it's easier to stay alive as carnivore.
jovial arch
the food literally spawns in when you're hungry
no look
in the last week of gameplay
minus apexes
i have seen far more herbivores than carnivores
on official no less
yeah sure a bunch were dryos
and a bunch were pachies
but still
straight up, more herbis
there are a lot of herbi players out there
i'd say that in terms of fanbase it's probably only like ~35% that are hardcore carnivore and 25% that are hardcore herbivore
the rest are kinda split
but right now carnivores are way frickin easier
so all those people who flip flop are playing apexes
pseudo falcon
I would love it if Maia got an even more reduced growth time, but it'd be busted lol
Maia is actually stupid good rn
pseudo falcon
The only thing that can effectively kill one is a carno
jovial arch
im not sure why para should be 2 hours to allo's 3
barren zephyr
It's my opinion just tho 🤷
pseudo falcon
And thats assuming the Maias dont have a Maiafia
barren zephyr
It's okay if we doesn't agree
barren zephyr
And i do understand what youre saying
barren zephyr
Im just saying in my overall playtime in the isle. The carni/herb ratio was never felt so bad
I can be wrong tho.
barren zephyr
It's just feels like the ratio is around 70-30% for carnies
pseudo falcon
Really its up to you to try and encourage others to play herbivore and show them how it can be fun
pseudo falcon
People are under the impression that herbivores are boring
jovial arch
it's just that like out of the 70 ~40 are apex
pseudo falcon
And when they do play herbivore they go sit in a corner of the map no one goes and kill themselves after a while
barren zephyr
I know lot of you gonna hate me. But herbivore can be boring if you doesn't get attacked after long time.
its my opinion
pseudo falcon
I agree
jovial arch
same
pseudo falcon
Thats why I actually seek conflict
For some reason its not a no brainer for most people
barren zephyr
Like i do understand that people want to trikes match apexes
but what if trike will match apexes?
pseudo falcon
They assume since they're a herbivore they gotta stay away from everything
barren zephyr
you gonna enjoy that no ones gonna attack your trike?
then you gonna suicide after a half day of play?
😃
Cause that was when trike was a bit stronger than apex
pseudo falcon
Tis why I bully apexss as trike
lime olive
🇹 🇭 🇮 🇸
pseudo falcon
Mind you I don't play alone ever to avoid being stomped
barren zephyr
basically when Trikes was stronger than a lone Apex, very rarely a trike get attacked by anything
and it was very very boring
jovial arch
trike vs apex needs to be a 50/50 imo
lime olive
People are all over the devs wanting a buff for trike. But honestly in my opinion. You do not need to facetank an apex as a trike in order to beat it. You use tactics for Allos and carnos and other dinosaurs, why are all tactics thrown out the window for herbivores? Most people run in and facetank, then come back crying when they realise they lost.
pseudo falcon
Spino is stupid
pseudo falcon
Did you know if you use stomp correctly you can beat a giga every time as a trike?
jovial arch
well i mean
pseudo falcon
Its actually really satisfying
lime olive
I only ever use that for when the hunters are out of stamina / broken leg while hunting. Otherwise, Running and Using your head will kill a n y t h i n g In the game
jovial arch
and if it does you're fucked
lime olive
Stomp is not meant for instant use. If you do that. You deserve to die.
pseudo falcon
Yeah, tis why you use it "correctly"
jovial arch
well, you want to time it to strike when the giga comes in
but if the giga pulls back on its charge and manages to get in without getting hit, then it gets free hits
lime olive
^^
barren zephyr
Tbh stomp doesnt fit Trike at all.
jovial arch
it doesn't
pseudo falcon
And now trike has better bleed resist
pseudo falcon
The only reason a rex can curb stomp a trike is because you can't stomp with a broken leg
jovial arch
yeah
barren zephyr
wich is understandable tho.
lime olive
It does
jovial arch
giga hunts cama, rex hunts trike
lime olive
jovial arch
maia is better at hunting them than allo
pseudo falcon
Its actually so dumb how effective it is
I killed 5 Dilos and 6 Utahs today
Me and one other Maia
And they were in groups
barren zephyr
Utah can escape with jump tho
pseudo falcon
We're talking 10 plus Utahs
barren zephyr
Dilos are not xD
pseudo falcon
And there were like 8 or so dilos
barren zephyr
I mean after pounce implemented im sure maias wont fuck with utahs at all
pseudo falcon
Yeah, they ran onto their rock once they realized how strong Maias are lmao
All that to say, reduce pachy growth time
Everything else is fine
pseudo falcon
If it had a niche like bone break
Than sure
But its just not worth the time investment
jovial arch
pachy sucks
pseudo falcon
Maia is better in every way -jump
barren zephyr
pachy should be able to cripple utah/dilos. Hell even ceratos with less chances
if yu ask me
pseudo falcon
Agreed
jovial arch
i dunno about cripple, but smack em around with ease? hell yeah
barren zephyr
Like bonebreak itself isn't a bad mechanic
pseudo falcon
I just want this bs ONLY REX GETS NICE THINGS to stop
barren zephyr
it's just bad how its implemented
jovial arch
well
pseudo falcon
Pachy would break bones for smaller dinos
pseudo falcon
Pachy could be the exception
jovial arch
pachy should be able to outrun everything it can't fight
so that means that if pachy has bb....
jovial arch
yeah well
pseudo falcon
I really dont see why it shouldn't have some nice niches to compensate
jovial arch
i dont really think it should be
why not have pachy actually be good at fighting
a small/mid tier herbi
straight up dedicated to fighting
pseudo falcon
Please
barren zephyr
Keep in mind pachy is dying from bleed very easily tho
pseudo falcon
I just want it to pack a wallop
jovial arch
see
here's my opinion on the subject
if you deal enough damage to carnivore that it's left with 50 hp
that's p much as good as crippling it
it's usually not coming back to that fight
pseudo falcon
I thought they were going to add limp to dinos that were on low hp or something
jovial arch
i made a suggestion about this a while back
pseudo falcon
Wonder what happened to that
barren zephyr
Btw Pachy animatons are on spot. You actually feel weight as a pachy tbh.
New Sucho run is kinda stiff to me
and wonder how they fixed the new rex locomotion
pseudo falcon
Sucho is a garbage dino rn
pseudo falcon
O o f
jovial arch
whoa wait i just realized
i could buff the damage
i guess i could tweak the numbers to be more functional for actual ingame usage for bleed
but the real problem is that because bleed ticks only once every minute, once you hit 25 bleed heal the damage bleed deals varys by +/- 40%
or, something close to that
so something like 60 bleed heal would vary damage by like +/-60-80% from the average of the min/max damage
which would be ridiculous
carmine echo
@spiral pond if you were talking about my suggestion about the dilo turn, i ment decrease turn ratio as in make the turn ratio smaller for BETTER turn, maybe my english is bad:)
spiral pond
yes i know now
shut gale
@rough dove sounds like what you're suggesting is the alberto 🤔
torpid wedge
utah packs already fight over utah rock
barren zephyr
I really like Leras suggestion to lower the limit for Apexes
I think it would be a great addition to not have big groups of unkillable machines running around
barren zephyr
I disagree, the subadults are really strong if they're big
but the adults should be limited a bit more since there's just way too many of them
lilac swallow
@barren zephyr sub could count as a half adult maybe? I mean think a 2 adults limit this would mean they can be 1 adult and 2 subs or just 4 subs
barren zephyr
I think they should be able to be two fullgrowns and subadults
It's a pair after all
willow wedge
I don't think territory marking should be made through UH excretions
I'd prefer a subtle animation like rubbing against designated trees
Like, let trees have a territory radius
instaid of crapping everywhere
like how you can only interact with a portion of the environment
potent olive
I like the the idea of territory marking. Personally thought pooping should be a have to once in awhile.
willow wedge
territory would only be visible in sniff anyway
most open world survival games don't have bowel movements for a reason
I personally would not like to run into sauropod dung
just............. seriously think about it
lilac swallow
About territory, im not dsaying is a bad idea but, who will mark their territories it just attrack predators/alert posible preys
torpid wedge
true if herbies will avoid territories then whats the point of marking it
full moon
Well..ark has feces that drop, kinda gross at first but you get used to it and it despawns lol
prisma imp
People should stop making suggestions that are basicly just server rule suggestions. There is plenty of servers with good player bases already were the latest suggestions are already implemented . And socializing and grouping up really isnt that hard. Everything is not supposed to come for free. There has to be a risk when you'll aproach someone. Do they want to be friendly....or not?
misty island
@torpid wedge I wasn’t finished..... I was editing it and adding more stuff... if you were referring to my suggestion. I kinda answered your question in the later part
full moon
A lot of complaints I've seen or suggestions by people basically want the game to allow you to stay alive as long as possible. Not a thing in a survival game. That's a whole diff genre of game
prisma imp
And if you were to add a "ramp" to the utah rock it would be just renamed herbirock again and it would be filled with herbivores again and the situation would be basicly even worse for the game balance. Utah raptors are weak. They need plans and numbers to be efficient against big dinos. Its perfect the way it is at the moment :)
full moon
All they have to do is make an anti Utah rock Utah pack and go eat them all :p
misty island
@full moon I totally agree with you, it is the thrill of horror and the fact that knowing more about the game and doing the right thing to stay alive that brings satisfaction. Not blinding sleep for 24/7 and still lives
full moon
Yea, part of why I love the isle. Being like a juvie allo in the dark and hearing very large carnivores around you. That feeling of dread and unsure if you should move or not
misty island
And then you are forced to move
full moon
Yep and run for your life
misty island
I was a sub Rex once at night
full moon
I love how the game instills fear into you
misty island
I heard footsteps so close to me after a giga roar
full moon
Terrifying xD
The game would lose its allure if you can just run from death each time
Mix packing? Carnivores shouldn't mix pack. Carnies are hostile to other species or tolerate some smaller ones. And can be aggressive to even same species
misty island
Have you even been in a pack that is maxed packed or close to it when the server is full of people?
The pack can hardly find enough food
And they are forced to venture out
Given the number of people playing Rexes and giga
There’s a huge chance two maxed pack will meet
It’s just a war at a different level
Just stay alert and run the fuck away when u see them coming
Not like a solo Dino can keep all of them fed
Oh wait my bad
I read it as max packing .....
leaden night
@prisma imp Ah yes, it'll become herbivore rock even though its completely devoid of herbivore food
Makes sense
full moon
No need to get bent out of shape @pine shore
leaden night
They'll all gather in one area with zero food to nest
full moon
I'm just stating that they shouldn't. Its gonna be very hard to enforce it on officials D:
Perhaps once the game is done dondi can hire mods for officials but I've not seen many games have mod for moderating on official servers
misty island
Well tbh a simple tracking program that shows dinos in groups in each server would help a lot already
Not for players but for moderators
full moon
Maybe a mod to drop in periodically thru the day to see if people aren't breaking say a basic rule set like giant apex packs or mixed packs
Ah
Didn't realize you can report peeps in officials
full moon
Makes sense. Unless you could go into recordings and get a screenshot for a report. But a system in place for that prob cant exist til launch anyhow
misty island
@torpid wedge ya sorry about that I type really slow specially on phone
full moon
If I could make a living popping in on officials in sky cam to make sure people behave, I would do it in an instant
misty island
@full moon please invite me when you get that job
full moon
Recordings abused how? I use it for reports on the server I play on all the time
Ew, that's a douche move. It's too much effort to do that in my eyes lol
full moon
I noticed it only records people near you from what I've seen.
And the chance they could still be there may or may not be likely. But can never underestimate the troll in some people
O.o damn
That's rude af
Ah must be a server option to disable it then. Its enabled on the unoff I play on. But severe punishment for abusing it
Pretty sure its instant perma ban
Because you can tell if you're being targeted by the same animals
misty island
Afking in a spying location for a very long time ?
full moon
What question?
misty island
And then just instantly fucks up everything around it?
full moon
I answered already
You can tell in sky cam as admin if people know your location
Yes
Like a pack of dilos who somehow know where a herd is at all times
Or giving player locations away in discord which is monitored by admins
It's harder to abuse recordings on a monitored server
But I'm sure it still happens
undone barn
Any chance the Cerato can get a fall damage buff so they don't break their legs running over boulders and logs? They're pretty agile, you'd think they'd at least be able to fall their own height.
barren zephyr
this community
so trash...instead of criticizing others suggestions in order for progress you should start suggesting your own, its cause of ppl like this that good games fall down the drain
full moon
Huh? @barren zephyr
prisma imp
There is a difference between critizing everything and not agreeing with everything you support
buoyant goblet
Admins are free to abuse the servers they host and pay for. If you are referring to those community servers. thing is if they get a rep for that then they wont get players. Its not much of a muchness really
full moon
Its open development, all suggestions should be welcomed? If that's what you were meaning
prisma imp
My message earlier critized a lot of your points. Because a lot of them felt like server related things instead of game related things. I loved your idea of making the game have more differebt and unique playstyles. But you shouldn't start calling people trash if they dont agree with everything
barren zephyr
@prisma imp i would love to see good suggestions from your part🙂
prisma imp
@barren zephyr and I have suggestions. Im just not blindly posting a wall of text. I'll just think of the phrasing and balance first.
misty island
@barren zephyr how about this, instead of buffing the heal rate over time, u have a heal bonus when you are mostly nourished. Let’s say >85% on both food and water. So solo dinos wouldn’t keep on harassing bigger dinos and such over a long period of time.
That way it make more sense that they heal faster when fed. Moreover corresponding to the raptor situation, this way the winner in the fight gets a bonus in heal as a reward. Seems fair enough to me. What do you think?
sage juniper
as long as it stops taking me 45 mins between fights i dont mind how it works
lilac swallow
@misty island that reminds me of the first year of the game when if you had low food and water you simply didnt heal
barren zephyr
@prisma imp this world has loads of ppl like you my friend, talk alot about others while doing nothing productive
torpid wedge
im confused about the new bleed heal suggestion
spiral pond
I dont wanna be rude, but insulting someone isn't exacly productive either Venom
feral turret
@nocturne skiff Giga already outstams and outtrots the rex, plus it cab recover stam on the move unlike the rex. If a rex chases you down that means you got too close to it
But I agree a small buff to speed would make rex and giga chases less of a question of how close the rex started the chase and more of a question of how well the giga can juke the rex
prisma imp
@barren zephyr I see you took my comments as a attack towards you which they were not. I dont have to prove anything to you. Hopefully you'll understand how to behave in the future . I could have been a lot more cruel in the critique but I wasnt. I even said I liked parts of your idea. Sometimes in life you have to be prepared to understand not everyone agrees with you in everything
misty island
@lilac swallow well having a rewarding system is always better than a punishing one
lilac swallow
@misty island yea
pulsar lake
Okay remove bone break from rex BUT buff him damages for balancing this.
If he don't have bone break, you just don't play rex
But just wait with this for fighting mechanic rework
fathom idol
He does more the enough base damage so.. but dont worry it will not be taken out..rexfanboys ya know 👀
clear turret
I mean, if that is what it takes sure whatever, buff Rex. But bonebreak is a broken mechanic
if it doesn't belong on things like anky or any stops, it doesnt belong on rex either
pulsar lake
Rex need him bb because if he don't have this, he can be easily victim of ass riding
Anky will have a bone break more broken
You will not have legs
And wait morz
More
clear turret
literally everything can be a victim of assriding if whatever they're fighting has a better turning circle
it isn't a weakness unique to rex
civic sky
keep in mind how such a buff will affect the other "top tiers" for ex. trike is already facetanked by rex doing so will make it worse.
pulsar lake
Rex have a sery slow turn, other like allo, giga, dilo or other carnivore can counter it.
Only who can't really counter hit are dinosaur who need to have bb mechanics when we think like para, maïa or/and pachy boi
clear turret
and yet they don't
pulsar lake
Yes
clear turret
because bonebreak was removed from them, because it is a broken mechanic
pulsar lake
When we think, rex head is almost bigger than all mid-tier body 🤔
clear turret
and here we are, with rex retaining it regardless. Besides isnt the assriding arguement academic? alt turn isnt going to be removed and is on all the official servers
clear turret
source? bc I remember it being said explicitly that it isnt going anywhere
fathom idol
If Altturn is out then utahs will assride everything
clear turret
and dont play the realism card, by that logic anky would break everyone's legs, and it doesn't. You'd say that is because of balance, and we'd get into this ridiculous double standard that people have regarding rex's bonebreak
pulsar lake
But rex have will have the bigger chance to break legs like honk and pachy boi I think
Yed
Yes
For me anky will have 90 or 95 bb
For legs
And pachy will destroy all bones
buoyant sandal
Imo bb needs to be replaced with a stun or something it's just 2 good there's no fighting back
rough dove
bone break is made for Trex so that when he catches a prey that can outrun wont outrun him just incase it has a too high hp to get away
its also great for trex to escape 2 gigas trying to gank him
by breaking one or boths legs
before leaving them limping
what is not great, is increasing rex movementspeed
because then he becomes a normal dino.. also if Rex is not a unstoppable force.. thoe a slow one - then who will force Trikes and other dinosaurs to camp and not fear it being forced to migrate
The one thing that makes a game great - is when it makes you feel uncompfrable and forces you to adjust to new situations, one perspect aspect that Trex brings is that it forces everyone to leave their camps
and migrate to new ones
pulsar lake
And he is sensible to bleed when he stand up
It's why with 2 or 3 allo you can kill it easy
But
clear turret
christ, how am I supposed to converse with people who actually think any pllayable dino should be an "unstoppable force"?
pulsar lake
We need 2 or 3 apex herbivores
rough dove
its unstoppable to a degree when you solo against it.. you dont c the logic 1 vs rex any dino?
rough dove
2 Trikes, sitting by a dike minding their own buissness - allo coming along, singing their song.. wakooh here comes Teee-Rex
they go - "oh a trex, were too few.. we are not allowed to team up Herbs and Carnevores"
rough dove
another day, its 3 trikes, they can give it a shot.. another day its 3-4 allos they can give it a shot
but.. Trex is still scary - cus hes got bonebreak, and is tanky.. and not but least.. that jaw
If you get a official server full of 40 raptors, then obviusly someone has got to feel like they wanna grow the counter dinosaur, its not more difficult than that, it Trex is OP then just grow the counter towards it
go up 2 Gigas, make a handful of raptors, if your fewer friends - make 3 Allosaurs or Trikes?
But dont make Trex equal to the others
Sure i dont mind growing Trex to full adult on 14 hours instead of 7
pulsar lake
I'm giga adult and when I see rew solo I trie to kill but when they are 2 I run away
On eu1
rough dove
I can beat 1v1 a gig as Trex, but i cant beat 2
Currently i feel like Sub Adult Trex has been experimented a bit too mutch - either it has great bite force and is slow, or it has avarage bite force but is faster
Maby its time to just add that slow dino, that has that great chomp bite force but with weight, which in ambush range can catch a raptor, but then is slow so the rest medium dinos get away
thats similarly built as a Sub Adult Trex
and then just reset the Sub Adult Trex to heavy biter, but slow and weighty that nobody wants to play with
and then up his growth time by double or marginally alot.. just so when you go down that path you must be certain
hes ment to be rare, hes ment to be hard difficulty, hes ment to be solo, hes ment to be dangerous
willow wedge
The carnivore apexes are too fast right now imo
dapper quail
Giga is fine, its just rex
umbral prairie
rex is supposed to be a fast, powerful ambusher but it has to get close to not run out of stam, so I think it's speed is alright, if it were slower it wouldn't fit it's niche, and if it were as slow as before it would only live off of AI as it used to
nova ice
is dilo that bad on turn radius? fighting them in the woods is horrible since they're so ninja, and forget it completely at night ha
umbral prairie
they do have a bad turn radius
compact matrix
Decrease bone break chance but don't remove it
that way giga actually stands a chance
dapper quail
Rex is the same speed as allo right now
red flax
how about queing system for full servers -_-
umbral prairie
yeah it wasn't fast at all, which is why I said if it were as fast as it was before it would only live off of AI
dapper quail
That is way too op
compact matrix
@red flax confirmed on the way
dapper quail
Rex should be the slowest carni
umbral prairie
it really isn't op though, it still has to get very close to get it's prey because of it's stam
dapper quail
Its the same speed as allo, it destroys giga dibble and allo if its gets ambush
umbral prairie
and as I said, rex is supposed to fill the niche of a fast ambusher with stamina problems
umbral prairie
it really wasn't, the old 27 km/h speed made it live off of AI almost exclusively
dapper quail
Maybe if you dont know how to hunt
nova ice
rexes are super easy to spot though, I think in all the time playing I've only been genuinely surprised (and sub sequentially killed) by an apex once
umbral prairie
I get away from rexes most of the time because they still need to get very close so they can catch up fast enough, if they get really close without you noticing then they get you.
dapper quail
You could catch giga off ambush, if you was smart you could get close enough to allo, you could cacth dibble and kill it. And you could normally run down a trike
Why should rex be fast enough to catch everything like it does now
umbral prairie
rex was worse against everything (in comparison to giga)except the other apexes
dapper quail
Rex being able to catch dilo is stupid
umbral prairie
dilo is very shitty atm
dapper quail
It needs to go back down to 27-28 kmph, and ambush up to 33kmph
umbral prairie
dilo needs a turn radius or speed buff
dapper quail
Not really, nights just need to be darker
glass blaze
Rex catching dilo is a problem with dilo being ass, not rex being OP.
Dilo is literally the worst thing in existence right now. I'd rather play para.
dapper quail
Nights just need to be darker for dilo to be good
Never died to anything playing as dilo when the nights where darker
nova ice
nights are pretty dark, people just be cheesing with that gamma
dapper quail
Yeah people get mad when their dilo cant kill a adult rex
glass blaze
Dilos were pretty easy to kill when nights were darker, actually. I frequently did night hunting as an allo back on Thenyaw.
dapper quail
We had three dilos destroy 2 allos at night
We killed allos all the time, sub rexes all the time
You just have to bleed things out at night as dilo
You have to play as the dino is intended
umbral prairie
don't they have worse bleed now? idk how much it was changed
dapper quail
went from 50 to 42 so not really
umbral prairie
oh ok
dapper quail
You can still get stuff to 100 bleed easy
Dilo only got bad because nights are brighter
glass blaze
Eh, you were either surprisingly good dilos or they were really bad allos. My record was soloing five dilos in the pitch black.
dapper quail
Those where just bad dilos
glass blaze
I'll concede that they may have been bad dilos.
dapper quail
Dilos can see super far away
As a dilo you need to sneak up on somehting and get it bleeding at night, then just keep it standing
fickle root
They have to be really bad dilos to die in the pitch black
barren zephyr
hey so suicide commando would u guys like it or see it as not realistic sth that shouldn't be added in the game
glass blaze
Wtf is a suicide commando?
glass blaze
com·man·do
Dictionary result for commando
/kəˈmanˌdō/
noun
noun: commando; plural noun: commandos
a soldier specially trained to carry out raids.
its a typo i wager
dapper quail
I think hes just being a smartass
@barren zephyr If you arent stuck you can go and die in water
barren zephyr
okay so like a button to instantly kill yourself so u can swap dinos jeez
@dapper quail tf u thinking if i don't know that ? am too lazy for that
torpid wedge
it wouldn’t be a disappear tho you’d still crumble so you wouldnt deny food
barren zephyr
the body can still lay there after u hit the suicide button what do you mean
torpid wedge
so its not like respawn
dapper quail
Then you could just feed yourself easy, and dont be lazy
barren zephyr
wtf no u would spawn elsewhere it's not about being lazy maybe consider it as a part of efficiency
dapper quail
Or you could keep killing yourself until you get the same spawn point just to give yourself food
And besides water is close to every spawn point
torpid wedge
yeah but if you didnt give a body and you know you’re gonna die you can just kill yourself in the middle of a fight
people already die in water just to deny food imagine if they could do it an easier way lol
dapper quail
Yeah it just doesn't really wok out at all
tame bane
Give it a similar timer like the safe log. Like a respawn timer.
barren zephyr
@blazing charm As i said before i like the idea of herra as an infiltrator, climbing over walls or tress and getting inside burrows, vents.But the part of being a sound mimic really doesent sit well with me, it looks like it should be a Neuro ability.
blazing charm
I totally understand where you're coming from, I merely included it as an option.
barren zephyr
i know it probably came from herras old dossier info, but dont take this with ill intent, i do like your documents
i would like know if you would do one for diablo, or atleast for diablos ability, something to set it apart other then being a faster and lighter trike
blazing charm
No ill intent taken. I'm glad to have people who have criticisms or differing opinions. I like to take in as many opinions as possible when writing these.
compact matrix
Jaffad your videos and documents are top tier quality content
Keep up the good work, I can tell you are passionate
tender latch
Speaking of dossiers, has anyone ever noticed that dibble's dossier says that it's from the late Jurassic?
mild token
Are dryos too powerfull? Asking because of reasons.
thorny lynx
Dilo needs a better turn radius and a better ambush. It has an ambush modifier of 1.1. Even 1.2 would be a good start.
If Dilo had at least a 1.2x ambush modifier and had the turn radius of its juvie form, it would be extremely viable.
glass blaze
@desert prairie I second this. Dilo was supposed to have some kind of anti-coagulant venom anyway, so this would be a good time to get that done.
desert prairie
^
Now with gamma being a thing dilo just doesn't have much going for it
Everything can spot you from 100m away now:(
crystal turret
Dilo doesn't need to have things bleed out when sitting. Bleed is already a very 'unfun' mechanic to deal with because of how long it lasts and how long it takes to recover from. There's little reason to give Dilos a free win. It's next to no additional effort for that dilo to simply walk up to a sitting dino and bite it again.
If dilo is weak, boost it in other areas.
I personally don't feel it's too weak, but it will need something when raptors get a working pounce mechanic as they barely hang on as it is. The above mention of a better ambush and turn radius seems more than adequate
lone crypt
"nerf rex, it beats giga every time" bitch no, if you get caught by a rex its ur own fault for not watching your surroundings, and gigas arent even supposed to be a solo dino tf, if you get caught by a rex as a solo giga, you lose and you deserve it
glass blaze
👆 This. Every dinosaur is not supposed to be an even match for every other dinosaur. What's required is counterplay, and Giga has good counterplay against Rex.
white torrent
Yes but when your hunting a Maia
As an allo
It kinda says “HEY MAIA, IM RIGHT HERE”
I just think it should be removed and replaced with a more immersive call
Like a mating call
compact matrix
It's most useful for herbivores communicating with other herbivores
white torrent
When your a Maia hiding from some carnos
You don’t wanna be like “YO CARNOS, COME AND MUNCH MY JUICY MAIA ASS”
I just think there’s a better use
Oh and the friggin
Carno and juvi rex
I love the four call animations
The head waggling
It looks great, more Dino’s need them
It gives the for call some life
Unlike, say the cerato
The cerato’s calls(besides the broadcast) are all kinds....very very dull
The threaten, he kinda leans down and screams
The four he shakes a’bit
And the two
Well, you get if
*it
The cerato needs better calls really
Animations I mean
south flower
I mean, if you know there’s carnis nearby, best thing you can do is not type or don’t press F. 🤷♀️
white torrent
Then it’s still useless
Just need to be
Thrown out
Like a race horse with a broken leg
Cap it
south flower
Depends on the player. I personally like it because it lets me make a small, usually short noise without alerting every carnivore in the region.
It lets close herbivores know where I’m at, but doesn’t alert the entire continent of my location 😂
south flower
I don’t play the juvie Rex much so I couldn’t give a good opinion
south flower
Ah
Well, anyway, the F/Chat calls are mainly for aesthetics. You just have to be heedful of when the best time to do them is.
white torrent
I’d love to see thee cerato with it
south flower
Okay then?
white torrent
I’m just saying
I’d like to see how the cerato would look with that type of lively animated animation
Not it’s current thing
south flower
Just make the suggestion to the other channel then if ya wanna see it so bad
Or have you?
white torrent
Ha, o would I knew it would hold any merit
Yes I have
Not yet specific head waggling
But the more polished, animations
Yes
south flower
Ah
white torrent
Because comparing the cerato’s stuff with the other carni’s it’s really, bad
Especially the three call
south flower
They only recently updated it I believe (I could be wrong), maybe they’ll go back to it at some point if they feel like it benefits the creature. Cerato, in my opinion, is a small creature compared to others, I wouldn’t think it would be too flashy.
white torrent
I mean the Utah is small
But it hisses, flashes is claws and shit. The cerato just leans down and “ahhhhh”
The cerato woulda be a feisty creature, it would need to make its self look big and scary
Like it’ll fuck you up if it comes down to it
south flower
It’s a different creature. It’s gonna probably have different ways of threatening. Plus Utah has more flexibility physically (I think?) to perform its 3 call animations.
white torrent
Well with the claws yeah
south flower
But it’s not gonna fuck you up, it’s weak as hell lmao
south flower
Yeah?
white torrent
Allo’s are pretty easy alone
jovial arch
south flower
Maybe I just haven’t played it enough
jovial arch
uh
white torrent
They can’t really
jovial arch
i'd agree with rex
jovial arch
giga to an extent
white torrent
Nah
jovial arch
not really allo
white torrent
I’ve killed a few gigas
white torrent
Allo’s are easy to fight off if you can get passed them
jovial arch
those are bad allos
jovial arch
straight up