just like all ppl playing rex now
#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
hes trying to appeal to me
waxen elk
It's not because they're fun
brazen wolf
give them some stats
barren zephyr
cause i argue for better dilo and darker nights
waxen elk
It's because they're easy to grow
waxen elk
Dilo is fucking trash right now we get it
waxen elk
"fun to play"
barren zephyr
because
brazen wolf
they too fast
waxen elk
Because they're easy
barren zephyr
to grow
brazen wolf
ppl dont lik to die
warm ridge
because carno is also easy
brazen wolf
they wantto defend or atleasthave to fight
brazen wolf
so making apex more hard does not solve the problem
barren zephyr
they can fight eachother till theu all die
yes it does
it does solve the problem
viral creek
Making mid teirs attractive won't stop it, they're already fun. But, many people always want to be the strongest of the strong, no matter how boring it is.
brazen wolf
make other dino more attractive
warm ridge
do you even know what the problem is uncle
waxen elk
Making apexes harder does solve the problem
brazen wolf
so the apex population would decrease
brazen wolf
make herbs more attractive
warm ridge
woah
barren zephyr
very few people play weaker dinos by choice
brazen wolf
so ppl play herbs
barren zephyr
AH
waxen elk
You know what
barren zephyr
I KNOW HOW TO MAKE HERBIES MORE ATTRACTIVE
brazen wolf
so intrun less apex
waxen elk
Just delete apexes
barren zephyr
NERF THE APEXES
compact coyote
spending half a day to play a fully grown dinosaur is super fucking retarded
viral creek
Also making apex more time consuming would actually make me wanna play them more, for bragging rights sake
waxen elk
Delete Giga
jolly willow
Make herbs not so bloody boring
waxen elk
It sucks
jolly willow
Make apexes actually difficult
cyan flame
But making things "not fun" as a solution seems pretty dumb :p
barren zephyr
yes
waxen elk
That simple
compact matrix
Small herbis are okay
compact coyote
^
waxen elk
NO
compact matrix
If you play diablo you are toast tho
cyan flame
As long as everything is challenging, fine :p
barren zephyr
thats
jolly willow
RN you can literally grow a giga/rex even if you play like a literal braindead retard
brazen wolf
why do pl play raptors
compact matrix
Too many rexes
nova ice
It also depends on what server you’re playing on as well, though all the Dino’s have different enough play styles some people will just outright hate playing certain ones. There’s also plenty of people that grow apex, get bored, then dive off a cliff. Once they adjust the ai more apex will be challenging enough.
jolly willow
Utah sucks man
barren zephyr
it needs to be challenging
jolly willow
No downsides
waxen elk
it's supposed to be a challenge
jolly willow
Fuck utah
viral creek
Lol I'm out imma continue my young apex killin spree
barren zephyr
but utah has its own problems
brazen wolf
ppl play carno
barren zephyr
seeing as it has literal no downsides
brazen wolf
you see lot of carno
brazen wolf
mae dillo plabale
barren zephyr
what
brazen wolf
so i woud sometime play dillo insted of apex
brazen wolf
apex is fun right now
barren zephyr
apex will still be fun
waxen elk
:/
barren zephyr
just harder to get to
brazen wolf
i am playing triki right now
barren zephyr
you can have challenge and fun
waxen elk
bute!
waxen elk
If giga hard it not fun!
brazen wolf
it's slow
nova ice
Also the “cool” factor. Trikes are just as easy to grow and strong but people would rather apex.
brazen wolf
who like to grow 6 hour dino to get kille dby rex
waxen elk
Even tho Giganotosaurus is probably one of the most viable survival dinosaurs
brazen wolf
if he sees me
waxen elk
Literally out turn the fucker
Rex turns like a truck
Is argument is dumb and stupid
Makes no sense
Just make apexes an actual challenge
end
byue
nova ice
🤔
vague salmon
Once I see a carni apex as a trike I feel that it's over, especially with rexes being so rampant these days
umbral prairie
trike needs to be stronger, I hope it will be next to impossible to kill a trike from the front once locational damage is in the game
It's really not worth the growth time compared to the other apexes
barren zephyr
then it would have to be farily ez from behind
balance wise
so if you get an ambush u can
vague salmon
With it's terrible alt turn it's p easy in my opinion to tail trikes if u get it from behind
umbral prairie
yeah if a rex gets a trike neck from behind it should be pretty much over for the trike
I hope trike will be able to raise it's head up so the neck is protected but it has to have some downside so trikes don't constantly hold their heads up
vague salmon
I hope for something better than trike's current stomp, they're essentially free bites when they're doing it
umbral prairie
the stomp looks like it would do less damage to an apex than the normal attack bacause it rams it's horns down
umbral prairie
maybe once dino collision is there trike can just run into something to impale it
and maybe the right click is putting it's head back as a defensive stance instead of a heavy attack
not sure how you could balance all of it though
nova ice
I have trouble still getting stuff to fight me on a ffa server unless they are paired, though in death match it’s easier to judge
Actually
brisk mesa
^^^
jolly willow
have you guys seen that one photo where theres like
a fucking million fo the little shits in one spot
brisk mesa
nah, send it 2 me
torpid wedge
a sleep for every dino is actually really interesting, what do you guys think?
jolly willow
brisk mesa
LOL
torpid wedge
oh wow
jolly willow
also idk how sleep would really work
barren zephyr
honk
jolly willow
the resting is already there and its not like sleeping would really pass time considering this is a multiplayer game
would it not just be resting but eyes closed? or what do you have in mind
brisk mesa
that one Oro...
jolly willow
shh he wants to fit in
torpid wedge
of course, but resting and sleeping is different— you’d regain more stam and health but it would take a lot longer to get up
jolly willow
hmm.
torpid wedge
your screen would be black but you could still hear
jolly willow
i think it'd be cool
brisk mesa
Perhaps you would not regen Stamins
torpid wedge
as your eyes are closed
brisk mesa
But have way more HP regen?
jolly willow
yeah itd be for getting back health while you're alone
brisk mesa
Go to sleep after making a kill 
torpid wedge
or for healing off hp during night when it’d be dark anyway
brisk mesa
Ye
jolly willow
i think itd fit in
barren zephyr
i like the idea of a dilo buff
jolly willow
but ye Ava ai is straight fucked rn
barren zephyr
heheeheheheheh
torpid wedge
ava is sooo loud
jolly willow
AAAAAAAAAAAA
brazen wolf
well dilo need it's balck night back with some super bleed power
speed is ok and turn is ok in my openion
clever leaf
"turn is ok"
clever leaf
I wouldn't really mind the speed if only it turned better.
brazen wolf
for compensatation darker night and give different range on nv to different dino
torpid wedge
i’ve never gone dilo because i can shit on them really hard as practically every dino lmao
i think turn could help
clever leaf
^ see my point?
waxen elk
Dilo sucks right now
brazen wolf
ok i dont mind give it turn too if you like
raptor and dillo are the main opponent
so they must have pro and cons
torpid wedge
utah is just the better version imo, more agile/has jump/decent turn/fast
waxen elk
Dilo should win the 1v1
torpid wedge
no it should be even
brazen wolf
All ppl like the perfect dino but dino shoud have cons aswell
clever leaf
either buff dilo's raw damage, or nerf utah's health to 900
then it would be more even
waxen elk
Utah has no cons
torpid wedge
besides less bleed
torpid wedge
but thats kinda obv
waxen elk
less bleed you say?
jolly willow
the ONLY thing
waxen elk
20
waxen elk
is still serious
jolly willow
its literally completely unviable alone, you HAVE to get into a pack to be useful
brazen wolf
and changing stat shuld be like little by little
jolly willow
every single other dinosaur will kill it.
brazen wolf
not like cerito getting 36 speed
jolly willow
It needs a turn buff and it needs to fuckin
brazen wolf
and saying a little change
jolly willow
catch up with every other dino
waxen elk
Cerato's speed is fine
brazen wolf
even 1km matters alot
waxen elk
Dilo should be the slenderman of the isle
brazen wolf
in life and death
jolly willow
Well
torpid wedge
utah has less bleed?
torpid wedge
am i wrong zesk
jolly willow
not
waxen elk
appears out of nowhere and then disappears into the forest
jolly willow
also Utah needs an actual downside to playing it
waxen elk
Utah has 20 bleed
torpid wedge
i mean utah also gets one shot by almost everything
jolly willow
i suppose
waxen elk
But hit the thing first
clever leaf
utah can just go onto utah rock to escape all its dangers
torpid wedge
brazen wolf
stats are important for dino to survie so the dave should be mind full of it
affect all dino
waxen elk
Take Cerato's 1.1 and give it to Utah
clever leaf
I like how utah's ambush is faster than carno, yet dilo's ambush is still slower than a utah.
waxen elk
and even then it would run at 47 km/h ambush
brazen wolf
just lke sever is crowed by apex right now
coz oter dino are not a viable choie
it's all ppl playing the game
so ppl live some good dinoto invest and have fun
not get killed easily . diying is not fun
killin is
jolly willow
Well apexes are basically on the same difficulty of growing as every other dino rn
Except they take slightly longer
The only threat you ever have is people hunting you the fuck down because you ARE an apex and they dont want you to live
brazen wolf
yes its already hard for apex and right now they could enjoy some time sitting
waxen elk
It's not hard for apexes.
brazen wolf
before it was not possible . i think they did agood job
as a apex ialways died of hunger before
food drain was crazy
and ai don't spawn
umbral prairie
I think you're doing something wrong, growing an apex is really not any harder than growing any mid tier
jolly willow
Apexes, with the ava AI and reduced hunger, are now basically on the same level of squatting you'd do w/ a sucho or herbivore
umbral prairie
it just takes longer
jolly willow
Just squat at some lake, eat some AI when you get hungry, drink when needed
Bam
free rex/giga
congrats
umbral prairie
and right now it's easier than ever because of reduced hunger and avas
brazen wolf
sammel either you have no idea of waht it was like growing a apezx or you just pro
umbral prairie
I'm pretty bad actually
umbral prairie
I never made it to adult but that was because I made some easily avoidable mistakes
brazen wolf
so you have no idea
i have died as a adult not finding any food
starving to death is not fun
right now it's awsome ppl could actually enjoy
umbral prairie
I have been in adult stage and didn't have many problems finding food, I just never got to full adult because I did some stupid stuff
brazen wolf
before life of apex was crazy
umbral prairie
It wasn't fun being an apex because of the constant food search
brazen wolf
keep on looking and hunting
waxen elk
Apex is too easy
brazen wolf
just to finding no one
waxen elk
end.
umbral prairie
but rn it's a little easy
waxen elk
Apexes grow to the point of struggling to find food
brazen wolf
now its ok before it was not
brazen wolf
lot of ppl dont play apex and like to comment alot
umbral prairie
I have made a little suggestion on hadrosaur AI and how it would affect apex gameplay
some hours ago
waxen elk
lot of ppl dont play apex
ah yes
even though 80% of the server is apex
10/10 logiv
brazen wolf
so its fun to play apex
umbral prairie
I don't know if it would work but if it worked like it does in my mind it could make apex fun and make apexes migrate a bit
brazen wolf
so they play
languid ember
yesterday i saw 3 rexes getting pulled up on by 5 other rexes and while the rexes that survived were healing 3 gigas come say hi
"lot of ppl dont play apex"
brazen wolf
dont punishthem for liking apex
waxen elk
Its fun because it's easy
brazen wolf
haha
brazen wolf
yes suggestion 12 hour to grow is too much
waxen elk
But this ammount of apexes is a punishment for literally everyone else
leaden night
Consistently seeing 5 rexes packed together is pain
brazen wolf
6 hour is too much
umbral prairie
wdym punish them, it can be fun and hard at the same time, just like it can be easy and not fun at all because the only thing you have to do is sit in a bush
umbral prairie
dafuq how is 6 hours too much
brazen wolf
they fighting all the time
jolly willow
What if servers actually gave us a number of people playing all the dinos
brazen wolf
Rex is no Friend of giga
waxen elk
How much hours should apexes take then?
brazen wolf
And giga no Friend Of Rex
torpid wedge
i disagree
brazen wolf
So they kill Eachother while you enjoy
pulsar lake
6 or 7 hours for apex is good when you are bad and don't know where growth.
torpid wedge
i’ve had tried to get apexes to kill one another
pulsar lake
After when you have practise, it's easy
umbral prairie
I'd be fine with 10 if the adult stage was made longer, not sub and juvie, and if the stats for growing adults wouldn't increase proportionally to their growth but would increase fast at first and slower when they're close to full adult
torpid wedge
and they’d rather part ways than risk losing their dino
literally had that instance happen yesterday when i was a utah and my pack was leading two apexes to one another
they kept their distance and both backed off
leaden night
No one wants to spend another 100-ish minutes as a juv
torpid wedge
was a Zzz
leaden night
Apex growth is long and boring
astral forge
exactly
pulsar lake
Normal
umbral prairie
and pretty easy
pulsar lake
To demotivate player to play it
umbral prairie
It needs to be harder but also more fun
umbral prairie
So something else than afk sitting in a bush
jolly willow
You shouldnt be able to squat at a lake as a juvi/subadult rex
torpid wedge
sub giga sucks
jolly willow
Adult rex should have average/semislow hunger drain as a reward
pulsar lake
You can follow a river
jolly willow
Compared to sub/juvi rex hunger drain
pulsar lake
And hunt people
umbral prairie
This was my suggestion on how to make apexes not sit around the same lake for hours
Here's a little suggestion on AI herds. If there will ever be AI hadrosaur herds, it would be cool if they didn't spawn near hungry carnivores, but instead randomly in more open areas. They could also wander around the map a bit (maybe wander from lake to lake?). This way, bigger carnivores like rexes can't stay in one place for hours because the AI spawns very close to them, but they have to roam around a bigger territory trying to find a herd. Once they found a herd, they can follow it and kill a herd member from time to time. Of course the carnivores shouldn't constantly run around panicking because they can't find a herd, so there would still be some smaller AI around. It would be a cool way to encourage players to not stay at one lake all the time, because it feels like you get more AI by sitting in the same spot than roaming around.
Again, idk if it would work but imo it would make playing apex less boring, because right now your survival chance is the biggest if you stay in one place for AI to spawn
umbral prairie
right now it's easier but also boring
Idk what makes you like to afk
I mean afk growing is literally the most boring thing you can do in a game imo
explain pls
brazen wolf
growing a apex takes 6 hours
it's borking as hell to paly 6 hours continuosly . haveing stress
if you like having stress then its another thing
and get found by a pack ater 4 hours and killed
it's no fun bro
brazen wolf
Just afk and enjoy straming
umbral prairie
I don't think you should have stress constantly, having fast hunger drain is also stupid
but I think once you're adult it could be fun to roam around a bit
brazen wolf
it's stressfull to grow apex especially rex
umbral prairie
I mean what do you want with a full grown apex if the only thing you do is sitting in a bush with it
brazen wolf
juv get hungry and thristy in lik e15 minutes
just enjoy the game
and the sound of the thunder
umbral prairie
not really, rex juv needs it's first meal fairly fast but after that it's really easy
brazen wolf
crickets cracling
Right now imop apex is good in hunger
they good on growth
all they need to do is balance the dinos
You like to go roming the go but you wont survive long
as an apex
different play style
umbral prairie
the hunger drain is fine, I just think playing apex is easier if you sit in one place and I think once you're adult you should have to roam a bit, not meaning you should panic all the time but a bit of roaming would make it less boring, rn you don't have a reason to roam tho
brazen wolf
you think its easy but it's not
you know the feeling to go out for a drink as a sub. after plahying 4 hours
umbral prairie
I don't think it's easy, I know from experence that it is
brazen wolf
2 minute is like a 15 minute
umbral prairie
I've been sub rex a lot
coarse thicket
It’s not very easy but it’s too easy.
coarse thicket
I’m kind of tired of seeing 10 different gigas in less than 20 minutes
brazen wolf
if it's easy then play it
umbral prairie
II never died because of hunger or anything, just because of stupid things that were my fault and could have been easily avoided, without these things I would have been adult 10 times already
coarse thicket
... and have even more apexes? Yeah just going to go ahead and bring over more gigas to eat the ones that already exist.
umbral prairie
Ok this is not going anywhere. UncleRaptor thinks apex is too hard, we can't change that even if we all think differently
umbral prairie
would be a bit annoying, I think you should only die of old age when you played like 60 hours on one dino
yeah apex is too easy, but maybe uncleraptor has bad luck or sth
coarse thicket
There could probably be a hardcore game mode with it or something but it would be annoying in normal gameplay.
umbral prairie
I think it should be hard to even survive long enough to get old
coarse thicket
Then again, it’s not really about their skill in apexes but how easy it is for everyone as a whole. If the server is swamped with apexes then something is going on.
umbral prairie
So it doesn't limit your fun with your dino
coarse thicket
Yeah
torpid wedge
@hollow marlin i think thats a ridiculous idea and i think i heard in a stream once that that would never happen
hollow marlin
Sorry for my translation. And that the dinosaurs can sleep recovering the double of stamina but without having to see outside but if you listen
coarse thicket
The sleeping aspect is nice but old age would be a bit annoying.
At least negative aspects of old age
umbral prairie
I don't think it's a stupid idea, but it would have to be very long until you get old so like 98% of the players would die before reaching it
hollow marlin
Well, I'm glad to hear your opinions, thank you very much!
torpid wedge
^ not only that, imagine having spent so long on one dino successfully terrorizing shit and then dying of old age...
i think if there are positives to old age then okay but having a dino deteriorate over time would be
idk i’d rather die in battle than achy breaky bones
umbral prairie
It would be annoying if it were like 10 hours of adult gameplay with that dino, but if it were something like 80 hours, it would be very hard to even survive for that long and you would maybe even get tired of playing that dino up to that point. Only issue is that if the devs were to implement this it would cost a lot of money to make elder dino models and it wouldn't be worth it because close to no one would even get to that stage
violet magnet
@weak herald the amount of footprints you leave behind is currently tied to how you move
sprinting leaves lots of footprints, walking and crouching leave barely any footprints, and trotting leaves an amount somewhere in between
hollow marlin
@umbral prairie Thinking it well now, I agree perfectly with you!
umbral prairie
It's intentional so it's not as easy to follow a dino using scent unless it was sprinting, a couple of months ago every step made a footprint and you could not hide from anything hunting you unless you had more speed and stam
I hope scent won't be bound to footprints as much as it is rn, I think it's not the final form of the scent mechanics
I don't think ice age animals would fit in with what the game is eventually supposed to become, especially with the lore and just the general game idea
jolly willow
^
viral creek
@royal pewter
Just wanted to mention, there was no official wolves in the game.
That wolf was part of a mod
royal pewter
@viral creek aahh I see, thanks for clearing that up m8
barren zephyr
i see many ppl complaining about balance, too many apex, few herbs, etc...and..i have to agree that theres lack of balance in the game, megapacks, 90% of the playerbase probably only play apex and plague the servers with it. The solution is simple and was already said that in the future would be ingame to make life a living hell for players. I see to many ppl playing like retards and few ppl behaving like a dino...affinity system. The game has it is now is pushing some ppl away and i dont blame the ppl that leave tbh, the most urgent thing for the devs to do regarding updates should be balancing the game so that solo or groups could enjoy it more and for that we need the affinity system to arrive to the game.
topaz sierra
@royal pewter I think Dondi had stated once that he would love to make a short faced bear and add it to the game, so who knows, maybe :)
umbral prairie
never heard of that, would also not like it too much
would give me too much of an ark feeling
topaz sierra
I think it was a post on twitter a few years back, at least I remember Anthomnia mentioning it
On one of his videos
lament thorn
All the mammals would probs have to be super oversized and buffed to be able to even survive with the dinos
topaz sierra
Ye probably
topaz sierra
Yes, that's exactly the post I was talking about
And yes, it also does not mean anything
clever leaf
prehistoric mammals don't really have a place in the isle
their niche is taken by the dinosaurs
compact coyote
are you sure about that?
jolly willow
yes, most niches that a mammal would plop into for the game are already taken by creatures
maybe someday if its a cool one and its got a unique niche, sure
lament thorn
Even the dinos are competing for niches with each other since survival isn't finished at all and the abilities haven't been added
jolly willow
ye
jovial arch
lone crypt
royal pewter
Anyone know where I can find any up to date lore information?
coarse thicket
Ask around in #isle-lore-theories
royal pewter
Cool
umbral prairie
Morsi they usually don't do anything with sandbox dinos, they're not a priority
coarse shell
@weak herald nanotyrannus was found out to be a juvenile tyrannosaurus. not a legitimate species
umbral prairie
also I don't think dino suggestions would do anything, I think if they want to add more dinos they will, if not they won't
viral creek
We already have a nanotyrannus
It's called a juvi rex
coarse shell
alberto, yes
feral turret
@agile pumice can't you rebind it in controls?
coarse shell
@agile pumice
coarse shell
you can find it at the very bottom
agile pumice
also im stupid xD
coarse shell
@royal pewter wym "follow"? like automatically walk and follow them without needing to move yourself?
royal pewter
@coarse shell correct
coarse shell
what would be the point in that
royal pewter
could be used for example, if you have a mixed herbi pack that you couldn’t “group” with, and you’re walking around during the night. You could use the follow feature to not lose each other etc
royal pewter
no it’s not necessary obviously. Would just be a cool feature ya know. Just spitting thoughts out
coarse shell
yeah i do that too but
royal pewter
think about it. You’re playing with your friends. And you gotta go take a piss real quick, but don’t want to log. You can follow your pack while your pissing and still be on the move
coarse shell
lmfao
royal pewter
XD
coarse shell
well in hindsight it's not a bad idea
you'd gotta trust your friends for that just in case they lead you to drown lol
royal pewter
Yeah I also like that it’s taking a risk in using it
You have to almost 100% depend on your pack
coarse thicket
There should be an autowalk as well for when you are typing or just don’t want to hold down the walk button.
umbral prairie
I think there needs to be a solution for the mass apex population other than fast hunger drain, it's very annoying if you're constantly walking around trying to find food. Currently, this would not be the case as all the AI spawns very close to hungry dinosaurs, but it would still be very annoying to not be able to sit around for some time. There are way too many apexes currently, but I think there needs to be something else than just fast hunger drain
jolly willow
It's either hunger drain or a lameass player limit
You COULD knock down the apex pack limit to 2
And you'd see less
The reason for so many damn apexes is cause the 5 packs are always bloody nesting
Always splitting, multiplying
umbral prairie
apex life is easy and boring currently
jolly willow
No duh
umbral prairie
some people like being the most powerful thing doing nothing but I thing it's not really fun
weak herald
Question for anyone who can answer: Does bleeding stop when any dino spams the alt turn ?
umbral prairie
no
jolly willow
Nope
coarse shell
no? where'd you hear that
coarse shell
bleeding stops when you sit down for a while if you're in critical condition
umbral prairie
but not more than the bleed heal you have when walking
weak herald
Do a carnivore get a bleeding healing boost while crouched?
umbral prairie
no
weak herald
oh, ok
umbral prairie
I think you only get a healing boost when sitting
weak herald
Just learning the mechanics, I've seen some stuff which I didnt understand ^^
umbral prairie
and you can't die to bleed when sitting
weak herald
thank you very much for the answers and commitment! ❤
Yes, that part I read in the patch notes, thank you very much 😃
true haven
i think crank up the apex adult stage is not the way to fix it maybe
like
crank the last moment he growth , if trex already had 940 biteforce it can go higher but with the super slow grow time and tick
coarse shell
@acoustic basin im literally playing it right now
it's a viable dino, thenyaw is the only map its good on though
acoustic basin
Lower bleed damage means you need to go in more often which means more time putting yourself in danger with 1060 hp. How is that good?
coarse shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
you dont have to be hunting something the whole time
i usually lurk around at night as a dilo
acoustic basin
the run speed is average so it gets outrun. Your only defence is hoping the enemy to stop chasing you since they are bleeding
with less bleed, they will chase longer
So even at escaping its worse now
cyan flame
It's easier to finish things off now with more damage?
coarse shell
if you want its stats to be better and more reasonable go into #401481402782056460
they arent getting rid of dilo lel
true haven
the night has already been darker or not ??
coarse shell
no, v3 nights are still light
true haven
i feel thenyaw is very dark
native nebula
they use the same settings 😐
true haven
damn how XD
coarse shell
is it a bug or something with v3 nights then?
@finite perch happening soon
oro and taco ai were never meant to give the amount of food they do rn
glossy garden
@brisk mesa you must have smoked something wrong man, you really think people will wanna try for 12 h to get adult? If it were 12h to get hypo yes but not for normal adult
brisk mesa
People used to go 21hrs to get Trexes.
23 for Spinos.
You get adult Apex in 6hrs in my suggestion.
Same as current.
coarse shell
you underestimate the community
brisk mesa
Difference is, of course, you spend a long time growing to FULL adult
brisk mesa
A fresh adult Trex is like seeing an adult Nile crocodile
Nothing big
But seeing a big 20ft long fucko
That would be like seeing a 1.0 adult
Nowhere near the norm, but still doable.
A full 1.0 Adult Apex would be an achievment
finite perch
oh! yeah ik its never intentional that dryo and taco give so much, but with ava more or less settled in it might be a good time
brisk mesa
Packs would struggle to reach that level of power, and people would not be suicidal with their dinos either.
You wouldnt want to suicide your fully grown apex
Do stupid griefy shit.
If it took a long time to obtain
glossy garden
Idk , but it's just my opinion, I would go 12 h only to get hypoendocryn
finite perch
also nobodys forcing you at gunpoint to play a dino for 12 straight hours, split it up. go eat a sandwich, take a nap, live your life
brisk mesa
^^^^
cyan flame
Right, you'd actually care about remaining alive, sounds good to me :p
brisk mesa
Yeah
glossy garden
What if you die at 6h in?
honest lava
The biggest problem with apex's right now is that they are way too easy to grow. I agree with Watt in making them take 9-12 hours to grow.
brisk mesa
You spend like, an hour growing the adult phase atm
true haven
if u make it longer
brisk mesa
Fresh adult apexes are still forces to be reckoned with
cyan flame
I'm all for trying it Watt, I trust you do know how to balance shit, even if I may doubt some things :p And hey, I played on progression on a server where it took 2500 points as acro before becoming a giga.. so.. :p
glossy garden
Is way too easy because of hunger buff
true haven
no i mean
glossy garden
And new ai
honest lava
It was easy before the hunger buff.
glossy garden
Make it 24 hours then 
true haven
or it will die
no
dont make it longer
just make sub and juvie hungry
so they need to roam commonlu
paper trout
make day and night match actual day and night
pseudo falcon
Day is bright, night is dark. What's the miscommunication here?
barren zephyr
really?
pseudo falcon
You just hover over the blood icon in the character menu
It shows you the exact numeric value of bleed you have
barren zephyr
no how much bleed u do per bite
hazy sparrow
for the biter
barren zephyr
yes like every 3 seconds
pseudo falcon
In that case I agree lol
barren zephyr
dilo did i dont kno 4,2 every 3 secs?
hazy sparrow
I think it depends on what you're biting though, so it would be difficult to impliment that. I know utah only does .25/sec to a rex per bite, but they do way more to smaller dinos
barren zephyr
so if u have a full cera now would be nice if u could see oh okay i do this amount of bleed per bite
pseudo falcon
Agreed
buoyant sandal
Or see current hp
hazy sparrow
@knotty spindle
knotty spindle
oh, well that makes sense
hopefully the other suggestions would work out :P
I feel like they would make the burrow mechanic more interesting and fun for both predator and prey
hazy sparrow
I like the idea of a burrow-tunnel system, and the weather effects too.
I'd guess only really FAT dinos could break a burrow from above ground too... if the ground actually sunk when that happened 😮
hollow marlin
@knotty spindle One of the best ideas I saw today. I hope you take it into account
knotty spindle
I think dinos that are too large to enter the burrow can destroy it, smaller ones would be able to go inside and hunt what's inside
also @hollow marlin thanks!
silver dagger
Also currently a burrow disappears if the owner of the burrow dies right? I'd have to assume that will change when predators can enter burrows.
knotty spindle
yeah, that's what i am hoping.
that it would work more like nests do now, where they stay after you log but can still be destroyed
and maybe other players can even take over your burrow while your away
silver dagger
Little parasitic carnivores in their stolen burrows. I love it.
knotty spindle
i don't know what should happen if it is destroyed while you have logged out inside of it though.
silver dagger
They should just make it where you can't log out inside of burrows.
knotty spindle
hmm
silver dagger
Not sure what it would do if you crash.
hazy sparrow
Currently you just respawn above ground if you logout in a burrow. (some people reported dying though too)
knotty spindle
I think if you're wreckless enough to build a burrow out in the open and log out inside of it, there should be some kind of consequence if it's destroyed after you logged out inside of it
maybe spawn with a broken leg?
outside of the burrow
i dunno
silver dagger
Or you get teleported out before your dinosaur disappears, in the case of a crash or non safe log. And just have you not able to safe log from within.
hazy sparrow
@true haven the other dino makes noise when you bite them, is that not enough?
true haven
@hazy sparrow well we do make noise so its not clear
knotty spindle
Yeah, i'm sure there will be some way to combat that issue @silver dagger
I kind of hope the devs consider it, even if they change it up a bit. Would be cool and interesting
silver dagger
I really hope individual burrows can be connected with tunnels, but that's getting pretty involved with it.
knotty spindle
Yeah, that might be a little more complicated technically
my idea was to have 3 different types of burrows (maybe with varients of each, 1 is the smallest one, 2nd is the medium and 3rd the large
basically upgrading the size from the outside of the burrow
but requiring everyone to be outside of it so the interior model can updated
silver dagger
That would probably work. Much simpler than connecting ones that already exist from inside like would happen in reality.
knotty spindle
yeah, problem would be there would only be one entrance
maybe the upgrades add a few more entrances if there's enough room
and has small icons for all of them that dissapear when you get close enough to them
silver dagger
I think having more than one entrance/exit would be best for the big burrows. I can just imagine Scooby Doo hallway shenanigans.
knotty spindle
yeah
with multiple tunnels in it so that it's basically a game of cat and mouse if a herra or something enters a dryo burrow
that'd be really really cool in my opinion
silver dagger
Much more fun.
knotty spindle
and the idea i have is, a carnivore can start digging at any of the entrances to the burrow, which starts damaging it. possibly might have to destroy all entrances before the whole burrow gets destroyed. if one entrance is destroyed, the hole to the outside will be blocked with rubble. When the whole burrow collapses, all the entrances will be changed to a collapsed version of the model, and it'll allow for carnivores to activate it again to dig for corpses
whether you waste your time or not is based whether there is still anything inside the burrow lol
but if you have a pack you could probably coordinate an attack on it
oooh and maybe
silver dagger
Yeah I could see smaller carnivores just posting outside of each entrance with a big enough pack.
knotty spindle
if there's been something dead inside the burrow for a while, the entrance to the burrow will give off a scent
to maybe help any desperate carnis to find some food
The weather thing would pretty much act the same way, damaging the burrow the more it rains, you can attempt to repair the burrow a bit but only if nothing is attacking it and it's not raining, and would take some time. But if it rains too much, the burrow will start filling with water until it gets to a point where the burrow starts to collapse
silver dagger
Probably would need to make destroying and building a new burrow much more time intensive for the herbivore so that it will be more invested in the current burrow and even want to repair it.
knotty spindle
carnis could take advantage if they see an occupied burrow in the rain maybe, or risk trying to eat the inhabitants and possibly die inside if it's about to collapse
silver dagger
As opposed to now where you can just click and destroy your own burrow.
knotty spindle
yeah
i think it should be more of an investment
and you could destroy your burrow but takes half the time it took to build it maybe
silver dagger
Something so that moving burrows in an ordeal lol
knotty spindle
yep
cause right now it's just
press a button and it's gone
I really love the burrowing system so far and hope my suggestions are somewhat considered, if not maybe whatever the devs feel would be better for it
hazy sparrow
multiple exits on the large burrows is good! that would more or less remove the need for tunnels -- as theyre mostly escape holes, if one is being guarded, like groundhogs do it
knotty spindle
Maybe the small burrow can have only one entrance, the medium burrow can have two, and the large one can have 3
barren zephyr
What if there were a large burrow that needed a mating pair of dryos to construct
knotty spindle
so if you want a somewhat temporary burrow with some sense of security you could invest in making a medium burrow so you at least have two escapes, if hidden well, if a predator finds one entrance you could escape out the other
barren zephyr
for the sole reason of nesting the kids outside, letting them eat outside, and when they aren't eating, go immediately back into the burrow
with a lot of exit burrows as well
I dunno, i'm kinda spitballing here
torpid wedge
they can’t grow in the burrow
ever.
the burrowing mechanic is not a sit and grow place
hatchlings will only grow outside of the burrow
so kids will not “immediately go back into the burrow”
coarse shell
@cerulean spade the f call noise is pretty essential to gameplay my dude
if you dont like it, use voice chat
thats what most people do
cerulean spade
I do, its hard to explain im sure i didnt explain it right. before you could hear the F calls normally just from any direction. but at some point an update happened where say I F call somewhere not close behind you and you turned around you would suddenly hear me or if I move off. The noise plays after the fact and I find it broken in that sense @coarse shell but thats just my opinion on it
coarse shell
thats not an update
thats a bug
everyone has to deal with that
its pretty annoying but its essential to hunting shit so
and looking out for stuff
thats why you look in every possible direction when moving around
cerulean spade
eh then the bug needs fixing its just cheap hearing something that made a noise outside of your field of hearing only to be given away because someone turned and moved within hearing distance of the F call
true haven
@cerulean spade no f call noise make the world even more quiet and make the world lifeless even u cant stalk ur prey if they do not making noise
silver dagger
@open flax some of what you suggested is a mixed bag. Like being able to nest in AI will be cool once there's more complex behaviors for it. Other things aren't needed and are a lot more simulator sounding than survival. I especially don't think there should be carcass spawns, it's already too easy to keep carnivores fed with the AI creatures that we currently have but at least they need to be hunted.
cerulean spade
@true haven They do make noise actually quite a lot im in a pachy herd right now that wont shut up. ppl dont like quite they will make noise for the sake of it, having a bug like that isnt needed and makes it easy.
true haven
@cerulean spade well if u play on 150 server most of the time i play when there is 80 people and no one making noise
and plus it doesnt make sense if they dont make noise when talking to the group , and discord obviously make it quiet already 😦
cerulean spade
@true haven thats not what im saying, the pachy herd was on official 3 btw, what im talking about is that its a delayed reaction. Ppl close or looking at the person hear the f call in time with others messages but if ppl suddenly stop talking and others get with in rage looking at the group an F call plays. I do not see any reason why that bug or if its intended should stay. I personally use discord but not everyone uses it and or some just might not be in your discord.
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hoary ocean
@floral knot Flinging dinos but not killing them? Also I don't think natural disasters are a focus but it may be down the road
true haven
@cerulean spade oh u mean a bug is a game breaking , so i wrong im sorry
hazy sparrow
Dilo shouldn't be able to compete with utah, the adult utah has more muscle, more speed... it's just a better dino 😃
hazy sparrow
Velo has that role.
pure copper
spiral pond
I know
But whatever this thing is it supposed to be weaker
And it doesn’t make sense for something that grows longer to no compete with something smaller and faster to grow
plain vector
i have a suggestion guys and please tell me what u think about it here goes: i think devs should add an attack for dinos to knock down other dinos what happens is when u do that special attack there is a chance for u to knock down a dino much like bone break where it will force the other dino to undergo an animation for getting up which will make them unable to attack of course this attack can be balanced by making the recovering animation varying between each dino bipedal dinos take more time and quad dinos take much less time and when the attacking dino is running the chance of knockdown is 5x higher and ofc knockdown has a cooldown so it cant be abused . srry for the long post plz give me ur opinion. 😅
plain vector
i know but i would like ur opinions
spiral pond
I think something like this might happen
But then you could have 3 attack for something which could be a bit confusing
plain vector
as i said it can be done like bone break effect
which mean instead of bone break for trike head bash its knockdown
it can be added for many dinos such as giga-carno-allo-trike-rex-diablo
ill copy it to suggestion tho thnx
i think this suggestion could bring more life to the game and add a more balanced fight system
spiral pond
Wait how could dibble wiggle it’s tail strong enough ?
It could maybe knock Utahs at best
plain vector
not tail by head bash
i mean knock them down by any number of ways could be head bash like most dinos of horn attack or tail whip by ankys
plain vector
hope so
it will give the attacker time to run or kill the knocked dino ofc it will be countered by bone break cause chance is much higher while running
wheat hemlock
@woven marsh 2000 damage LUL
woven marsh
bone break + 1200 > 2000 damage so its not LUL... what is LUL is current bone break mechanic which is super OP
wheat hemlock
I dont think that's exactly true, and if it was, he would be back to 3-shotting everything again like Gigas and Spinos, and you cant say "Lets buff Gigas and Spinos to adapt" but then those apex will be too far apart from the smaller guys like Allos and Suchos
woven marsh
3 shot is better than 1 shot (bone break -> other apex cant do anything)... the giga 3 shoting everything was a problem due to gigas high stam. Rex 3 shoting stuff is not a problem since it has low stam.
wheat hemlock
In a way you got a point, but 2000 is too much, Bonebreak should be locational, there's lots of mechanics that need to be implemented before Bonebreak would make sense. only biting a small hitbox on the Hip should bone break, not tail or head etc... 1400 sounds better, he's still the bite damage king then, and gigas can actually win if they ambush him.
woven marsh
well locational damage is hard to implement. What they could do is make bone break only occur if the target is facing away from the rex and then also increase damage to 1400 to compensate for the nerf to bone break.
wheat hemlock
What about only if the Dinosaur is 50% health or less does the bonebreak activates?
woven marsh
yes that is also better than current bone break
wheat hemlock
Yea, that would make it so the longer you fight a Rex, the more dangerous it gets.
Combat as a whole needs to be changed, i cant wait to see how they fix it
true haven
@barren peak it is not it just had great health
wheat hemlock
Does Camara have low bleed resist? it should, to Rexes would stay away, but Allos and Gigas would be the more viable predators for it
Since that's what they apparentally hunted, (atleast gigas)
woven marsh
The other possibility is to let rex be super OP but make it harder to satisfy hunger. And rexs will be rare since most die from starvation.
true haven
no
it will not
fix
they will be monster once again
better their juvie or sub form to get hunger nerf
so rare to make into adult
umbral prairie
there needs to be something else than constant panicking because of low food, with the current AI it wouldn't be harder it would just be annoying
true haven
yeah maybe something else
not food
food is ok
i have no idea to do
just dont nerf it otherwise it will be killing machine again
umbral prairie
I just think the gameplay needs to be different, rn you can afk most of the time, with low hunger you'd need to run constantly. I think it should be possible to chill a bit but you need to wander around
maybe make AI not spawn as close? although that would be annoying aswell
true haven
owh maybe there affinity will force us to wander or it will lower our stam or stats
or
we grow faster when we move
umbral prairie
I've made a suggestion about hadrosaur AI herds that would affect adult apex gameplay, but something needs to change with juvie/sub gameplay
woven marsh
Ye i agree hunting AI constantly is annoying. Thats why my solution to apex hunger is to make it so that AI dont spawn around apexs. Apex can have longer hunger times but they need to hunt other players or steal AI from others to survive. This will also limit apex pack sizes naturally.
true haven
if adult apex died from starvation it will not fix the problems because we cant smell body
umbral prairie
I think we need a not so annoying way to make players not camp at water al the time. you can't go to a lake to drink without an apex pack charging at you. also there are almost no herbis to hunt, you can't really hunt players because everyone is in an apex pack
mental sleet
hah, no.
umbral prairie
nah that would just make it annnoying
imagine dying of thirst, would be so frustrating
true haven
why rather die as starving since the new river is out there is no way we die of thirst
violet magnet
we don't die of thirst as much anymore because we can see water sources through the map 
before you just had to already know where water was
wheat hemlock
@dim zodiac Nice suggestion
wraith trout
Whatever happened to the #balancediscussion channel? It was good for keeping the "nerf this, buff this" clutter out of #general-feedback
stray citrus
@barren zephyr ... Dryos can burrow so that suggestion doesn't make sense
barren zephyr
well burrowing doesent fit dryos playstyle at all, dryo is fast and agile so why would it waste time digging a burrow when it could run away, taco on the other hand is more suited for a burrower playstyle cause if it gets caught outside it needs a burrow to survive big dinos
add the fact taco can atack now so if the creature is small enought taco might be able to fend it off
Dryo would better be off with the adrenaline rush ability that was talked about since it suits its play, of getting away from preds fast enought to break line of sight
umbral prairie
taco gameplay would just be extremely stupid, you're slower than everything else and the only thing you would do is sit in a burrow and do nothing because you can't fight, run or see anything of the map because you're so small
glad bear
taco gameplay is being a juvie
which no one enjoys
now it could be rebalanced given some speed and maybe even upsized but dryo already has the burrow gimmick
hollow sorrel
I lowkey would love Taco in survival, but I'm sure I'd be just about the only one playing it.
I'll even agree that overall, outside trolling the fuck out of people, Taco gameplay would be boring for most.
umbral prairie
how do you troll with taco
hollow sorrel
Using 2 and 4 call to make other players think a hungry carnivore is nearby.
Could do the same with an Ava or Oro, of course.
umbral prairie
I think most players would just run up to you and eat you because there are as good as no herbis around, and then you'd either die or afk in a burrow
barren zephyr
ur all thinking of taco with progg stats
hollow sorrel
Ah, but Dryo trolls in a very different way.
barren zephyr
thats like comparing prog cerato to new cerato
hollow sorrel
Probably better at trolling overall still, but whatever
umbral prairie
the only thing that would make taco better would be making it bigger and faster and then it would be a dryo
hollow sorrel
There's other way of course, but a lot would need to be done to make it engaging.
barren zephyr
taco being the only burrower and stas change would be enought
heck it can kill a velociraptor if it gets in its burrow
its burrow might have mutiple entrances and exits
umbral prairie
don't nerf utah growth because they already are overconfident because they grow so quickly and making it shorter would make it the absolute nightmare of mid tiers because they would suicide into them until the mid tier is dead
There are packs of 10-20 utahs and they're very annoying because they don't care if they die or not
barren zephyr
also if u get caught by a pred as a taco its youre fault, since you can hive well a should be in range of youre burrow
hollow sorrel
I think Taco could become really fun to play as if burrowing gets some overhauls that make it even better
umbral prairie
which would be the most boring thing ever because you would just sit around and do nothing
nocturne blaze
utahs dont need a growth time decrease, it's already easy as SHIT to grow one
umbral prairie
and if burrows are finished I think smaller dinos can enter it and eat you and then the burrowing feature for taco would be useless
barren zephyr
u can fight back as a taco
nocturne blaze
as a juvie you're invisible and as an adult you can just sit on a rock
barren zephyr
if someone gets on the burrow fight back as taco or use a one of 3 exuist to escape
barren zephyr
with current stats
hollow sorrel
Chances are there's another burrow nearby.
umbral prairie
and if you're made faster you would have to be bigger because animations and then you'd be a worse dryo
hollow sorrel
Would become a whack-a-mole type of thing, which sounds pretty hilarious.
barren zephyr
besides it would allow cooperation with a dryo since it cant burrow, but can help you defend it
like a lobster and a fish
umbral prairie
but why would you make dryo lose it's burrow mechanic just to make a smaller and slower creature be the only one with the mechanic
hollow sorrel
Because being smaller and slower means that mechanic is more important to your survival.
A larger and faster dino can run away.
barren zephyr
cause it wasant dryos mechanic to be begin with, it started as a taco ability, dryo had the ability of a adrenaline rush
hollow sorrel
Much like growing an Apex, I suppose.
hollow sorrel
Tbh a Taco would probably move around more than a person growing an apex lmao
barren zephyr
not only that it would be one less ai to feed juv apexes
but thats not the point
taco would out itself at risk everytime it were to leave its burow, making it a risk taking dino
cause other wise it would starve or dehydrate
add the fact growth cycle would be so short that u would be an adult quickly
taco makes more use of burrowing then dryo in all intended purposes
violet magnet
"taco can fight back"
taco could kill dryo and utah juvies and literally nothing any bigger
hollow sorrel
Yeah I imagine Taco to grow to adult in maybe 15 minutes.
Utah juvies (and velos) would be the main predators of Taco, so that's fine.
violet magnet
what would taco gameplay be like anyway? Just sitting in a burrow most of the time, and when you go out to eat unable to see over the bushes?
barren zephyr
you can use scent also sitting around for too long would be dangerous since youre burrows need to be close to water food sources, iow you would be constantly moving making and destroying burrows
umbral prairie
and the moving would either be slow and boring or you would be made faster to be a worse dryo
barren zephyr
yeah becausse apex sitting around while growing isint boring
wintry cipher
im sure modders can easilly make any non-playable dino playable once the game gets further along, but taco fulfills no role in the game itself once goals and storyline get implemented other than as the "level 1" food most likely.
violet magnet
apexes are big and powerful and capable of traversing the map
umbral prairie
but at least they can fight something
violet magnet
taco is small and weak and it takes FOREVER to travel anywhere
barren zephyr
then u gotta think how youre gonna travel
wintry cipher
you sniff and pray you can smell food next to the same water source youll live your whole life around
violet magnet
you can't run away and hide because everything is faster than you, and digging a burrow takes too long right now for you to dig a burrow and jump in before the utah ten meters away spots you
barren zephyr
thats if it does not get a faster digging animation, every dino has its own downsides, tacos would be reliant on nearby food sources and the need to travel by night
umbral prairie
but what upsides would it have besides an afk hole in the ground which it doesn't need because it's so small nobody sees it anyway
barren zephyr
the upside would be a dino that does not need to worry about large creatures by having a way of escaping them, and the extremely short growth cycle
umbral prairie
the growth cycle wouldn't matter because the result is stupid, and yes you don't have to worry about predators as long as you don't move because you're so small, if you move you will get seen and eaten even by big carnivores
barren zephyr
if it doesent get seen good, if it does then down the hole, you would be a ghost rarely seen but mostly herd
umbral prairie
and you can do the exact same as dryo but it can also run away as an alternative because it isn't the slowest creature in the game
barren zephyr
thats what sets them apart
umbral prairie
but why would you want to play something that is worse in every category besides size
barren zephyr
like pachy is a better dryo by the way youre saing
wintry cipher
if you want something similar to taco gameplay just stick with juvie dryo. same size, but still better
and it isnt
a dryo can escape carnos, utahs and the like easilly. a pachy cant.
glad bear
pachy is nothing close to a dryo
it's a fighter herb
dryo's sole defense is burrowing
and running
hollow sorrel
Need to keep in mind that it is incredibly easy to hide as a Taco
wintry cipher
its also hard to see predators coming as a taco
barren zephyr
a taco can escape carnos and utahs too by going into its burrow
hollow sorrel
If you play right, getting spotted shouldn't be happening often
barren zephyr
taco playstyle would be one of stealth
hollow sorrel
Seeing predators isn't a problem if they can't see you.
hollow sorrel
In others words it isn't a copy but rather very different
umbral prairie
I still don't get why you would play it, it can't do anything, it doesn't matter if carnis aren't a problem because you would not have any gameplay at all
glad bear
85% of your life would be being paranoid something is gonna see and catch you
impale that is pretty much a copy
if it does the same things the same way
hollow sorrel
Yeah, I know what you mean Sammel. Not many would play it. More or less it would be used as a chill dino rather than for actually playing, much like Sucho is right now.
glad bear
but relies on those said things more then they're incredibly similar
hollow sorrel
I mean basically every dino in the game is a copy in some way by that logic.
glad bear
see sucho can be more than just the chill dino tho
hollow sorrel
That was just an example.
glad bear
not entirely true
umbral prairie
if you want to play taco, play juvie dryo, don't grow and there you have a taco but it can run faster so you don't die if you're further away from your burrow because you can actually move
glad bear
we're talking about the playstyles of the dinos
barren zephyr
but then wheres the risk envolved
glad bear
currently playstyles are actually quite different
glad bear
the risk is the same as the tacos
hollow sorrel
Yeah, and Taco would have a different playstyle from Dryo
violet magnet
you're risking your dino's life whenever you log in 
glad bear
but you actually have a chance to survive
barren zephyr
if anything a taco player would be more nocturnal
glad bear
impale explain how
umbral prairie
it would be the exact same playstyle except with less options
glad bear
cause i don't see it
hollow sorrel
Taco is reliant on stealth and actually needs to burrow. Dryo is basically a smaller Galli in that it's main defense is running.
glad bear
dryo is also reliant on stealth tho
umbral prairie
it doesn't need to burrow
glad bear
and it also needs to burrow
umbral prairie
sit down and nothing sees you
dig a burrow and everything can see the burrow entrance and camp for a while
glad bear
dryo is widely regarded as the stealth dino cause of the size
and how well it can blend in with it's surrondings
violet magnet
taco is slow so it couldn't really travel much, its hunger drains really fast so you'd have to find a place with a good amount of food near water and set up there
glad bear
so how is taco different from that
violet magnet
taco could not keep up with a herd, so it would probably be mostly solitary or in a group with other tacos
glad bear
other than being slower and at risk of dying from just everything
violet magnet
and it's oneshotted by most everything, so most of its life would be spent hiding, in a burrow or under a bush
umbral prairie
and they also couldn't communicate in game because then other things would hear it
glad bear
which isn't enjoyable at all
umbral prairie
and that would not make them use their burrows because the burrow entrances are more visible than they are, and if they use it they would just afk inside until they need food/water they get out again and run very slowly
barren zephyr
ur thinking of the current burrows, but imagine them with several entrances, u could fake out a carnivore
in the future
glad bear
what makes you believe the devs would flush out burrowing like that
and that they could do that without any problems
spiral pond
cause its first advanced mechanic
glad bear
?
glad bear
that doesn't mean much
umbral prairie
even if burrows are going to be like that taco would just not be viable, but I guess if you would enjoy doing nothing and also not being able to do anything (which would seperate them from current apex gameplay) then I can't change that, so I'm not discussing this further
glad bear
just cause it's advanced doesn't mean they could do it with no problems
barren zephyr
taco would provide an indirect aid to the other dinos, being either a herb or carni juv, if they come around a abandoned taco burrow, then they would have a safe place for atleast until they grow big enougth
all im asking is giving taco a chance to shine
violet magnet
burrows collapse when the dino who made them dies or logs out, and if you're inside when it collapses you die, too
barren zephyr
even if its as a slow nocturnal racoon liazrd mole
violet magnet
idk if sitting in another dino's burrow would be a good idea
barren zephyr
thats a risk anything that enters it must take
it might be empty or not
il defend my taco even if i must do it alone
hollow sorrel
I definitely don't think Taco should be a priority, but I also think every dino should be in survival eventually. Not many would play Taco, but there isn't anything to lose from including it.
Minus Shant. Even Dondi has said he doesn't want that thing in survival.
barren zephyr
im not saying ita s priority, but it should have its chance as playable
umbral prairie
I don't think everything should be in survival, I think only the ones with a unique niche will be in survival, and I just think taco is too similar to a dryo minus some of dryos benefits
hollow sorrel
Sure, but everything that is in the game at the moment can be given a unique niche
Besides, Dibble is already in survival and I imagine Kentro will be as well at some point when it's added to the game. Having a completely unique niche doesn't seem to actually be that important.
umbral prairie
except I imagine kentro being something completely different than a dibble
barren zephyr
i mean as diferent as stego will be to trike
coarse skiff
It already works this way @barren zephyr
barren zephyr
It doesnt appear to by any manor
I nest in dinos all the time, almost every time i get on, and your child NEVER looks simular to you.
coarse skiff
I verified it through many nests with different dinos
I once had a child exactly similar to my skin
barren zephyr
I just dont belive that, if you have ever nested in or been nested in by utahs or dilos you could easily see that. Dilos tend to always look the same. For example. I had a child dino. Was full black. Child was born. Red underbelly green side near underbelly tan skin. 2nd child lookes identical to that but with grey skin
coarse skiff
I think you have a chance to get the color of your mother