Like a kick
#general-feedback-discussion
waxen elk
tribal kayak
a rex kicking ? xD
cyan flame
Stop-biting/stomping is a thing, at least as long as we lack collision, but a smart carni doesn't fall for that, you can afford to miss a few bites, you don't need to be up the ass of the target all the time :p
waxen elk
A fast attack that would be unpredictable
Or go full Carnivores 2 and give us a "slide" mechanic
unborn quail
little does anyone know alt turn is Indeed something animals can do, well at least pivoting in place, larger creatures do it all the time
warm iris
Add compys and make it so they can burrow 😃
tribal kayak
Before it was impossible to chill with apex dinos, you needed to be constantly eating or you would starve to death, bit right now its just to ez to survive and keep your belly full. I played with a full grown rex all day long and i had my hunger basically always at 100% just by eating AI and theres no real challenge in that. Hunger needs to decrease a little bit faster.
Not like before the patch but has it is now is just to boring and ez.
Camara is not even on survival and ppl are already asking for changes..jesus loool
cyan flame
How long does the hunger last now?
wheat hemlock
Did my post got you offended @tribal kayak ? I apologise, i didn't mean to hurt your feelings...
tribal kayak
What? Lol
@cyan flame i dont even know dude..i was rex for a full day and my hunger was always at 100% basically..just by eating AI..ive killed a trike but that didnt matter much cause most of my day was just AI to the stomach lol
cyan flame
Hm, not really useful info, sorry xD
wheat hemlock
I've wrote those for the devs to see, treat it more like feedback of the dinosaur as a whole, he is clearly being prepared to be injected into survival, so i gave ideas on how to make him not suck, the last thing we want is another sucho, where devs put another trash dinosaur in survival
versed blaze
when you assume, and your assumption is wrong
tribal kayak
@cyan flame dunno what you didnt understand, i presume that you arent dumb but wtv...play with rex or giga and then take your own conclusions😉
versed blaze
He's assuming you're talking about HIS camara suggestion in the suggestion channel
-_-
wheat hemlock
I am so confused now e.e
tribal kayak
?
versed blaze
Exactly, never assume someone is talking about you until they @ you
wheat hemlock
I wrote my suggestion and 10 min alter he said the above, so yes he was?
and after*
And im the only one "Asking for changes" publicly, =p
versed blaze
no, you are in fact not. Tons of people have all day long
tribal kayak
The hell are you talking about son?😂 @wheat hemlock
wheat hemlock
Well, okay, im the only one who gave a detailed list of changes
Son haha, sorry dad, didn't mean to offend you =p
versed blaze
So, about discussing suggestions..... 😉
tribal kayak
You were not the only one talking about camara..world doesnt turn around you you know? 
wheat hemlock
Oh jesus..
Okay, i'm going to leave before i lose the remaining braincells that i have left
adios ❤
tribal kayak
What? 😂
clever leaf
thenyaw is poopoo
pure copper
Reducing cams Stam doesn’t sound like an appealing idea or even a useful one imo, unless it’s stam pool is causing balance issues with other animals it doesn’t seem needed.
And unless it can eat more than just bushes increasing its hunger drain too far is probably a mistake
The tail swipe damage was already lowered iirc
white falcon
Mercenaries + 0 barrel shotgun when Dondi
barren zephyr
@hoary nimbus its cause peoepl reacted wth mean images
shut gale
@jolly willow there's a huge problem imo going on inbetween apexes and mid tiers rn.
You can't hunt an apex atm even with a big group of allos lets say.
And that shouldn't be a thing imo
buffing the giga speed would only make that problem bigger
tribal elk
I really miss ny dino's color scheme, now it looks pale :c
Bring Rex 1 for body color back lmao (Not posting in suggestions because I already said that in there)
jolly willow
@shut gale Yeah there's a bit of a gap between mid and apexes rn
Unsure how we could go about helping out the midtiers. Buffing them? Nerfing the rex and giga equally so they can be hunted by midtiers and also are equal?
jolly willow
now that I think about it I like the idea of nerfing both apexes so mids like Allo can hunt them (maybe trike a lil too) and having them be equal to eachother
Have you put that into #general-feedback before or
jolly willow
I'm interested
shut gale
shut gale
hm sounds like what people see from a rex. Big bulky Huge Damage dealer
tribal elk
A giga with 450N would not even be worth playing imo
jolly willow
^
jolly willow
Honestly at this point I don't know if we can ever get a fine balance between the apexes
knotty wadi
you cant expect 5050 balance between 2 difference animals
shut gale
it you're just going on a bite fight its just the same dino <.<
jolly willow
Giga isn't bad just because it can't fight rex
shut gale
if they're both damage dealers thro bite force..
jolly willow
Hummmm
shut gale
2 gigas on that doc can easely take a rex down
knotty wadi
they are different dinos and should behave differently not be 50-50
tribal elk
No adult mids have 400, giga having 450 on 7 hours growth is kinda...
shut gale
make them different to play
jolly willow
I mean
shut gale
@tribal elk 6000 weight
jolly willow
they are different.
While both ambush, Giga lacks damage and waits his prey out
Lets the bleed take care of them
Rex on the other hand
knotty wadi
yeah 450 base bite with 6000 weight would be fine
jolly willow
Is quicker and takes care of his hunt quicker
And just sorta kills the bitch
Maybe not necessarily a 50/50 balance between them but like
jolly willow
It shouldnt be rex popping over a hill seeing a giga and going "lol no biggie"
It should have both of them going "oh shittu"
shut gale
remember the rex is slower so harder to catch a giga ...
jolly willow
Maybe not 50/50 but we could get close to that kind of balance
Ye
Giga already has speed/stam on his side
shut gale
also if you scroll down i purpose a bb rework
jolly willow
ye BB absolutely needs a rework
Actual mechanic > RNG thats unfun for both the player and who you're fighting
knotty wadi
that will all come as part of the locational damage
shut gale
that way mid tiers could have bb...
knotty wadi
and that will solve most issues
jolly willow
Perhaps over the uh
shut gale
jolly willow
ye
clever leaf
Giga doesn't need a speed buff, it's already not much slower than Allo.
shut gale
^
clever leaf
as for dilo, i think a turn radius buff is the minimum of what it needs
though either a damage buff or mass buff could be useful to where it'd make utahs not body it as easily as rn
hollow sorrel
The ability to jump too >.>
clever leaf
ehhhhhhhh
shut gale
@clever leaf
hollow sorrel
Meanwhile a Pachy ninja kicks across the map
clever leaf
TBH i'd replace the jump with a better sprinting turn radius
shut gale
the jump its simple because it makes it more fun...
compare how much fun the utah is compared to the dilo
jump....
clever leaf
because night time isnt as dark as it should be atm
jolly willow
You should dump your balance changes in suggests but prob text rather than the doc itself
Yeah dilos night vision is a bit useless rn
You can go pretty much the entire time without NV
shut gale
@jolly willow big ass text 😂
clever leaf
I'd say make night pitch black again, but even I believe it shouldnt sacrifice the other dinos in compensation for just one.
That'd warrant making unique night vision ranges for the other dinosaurs
buffing up theirs, including dilo's
shut gale
I already DMed one of the devs about it
jolly willow
Good NV thing matters much
Though I think reverting to pitch black would be fine
Because again yes this would help out dilo and make you actually use NV
But this would also increase people lazily slapping reshade/increasing their gamma...
shut gale
A friend actually gave an idea that i loved about the night time
clever leaf
I'd say that Cerato should prob have the second best NV among carnivores considering its intended scavenger role
jolly willow
And there's already a lot of those
shut gale
make the open fields easely visible at night. but the dense forests pitch black
jolly willow
Rex could probably have some particularly good vision
Isnt that sorta already how it is
shut gale
ah.... sorta but u can still exploit with the gama
jolly willow
We need a counter against the gamma shittery/reshade :/
shut gale
so make the open fields really easy to see....
jolly willow
ye
shut gale
and the forests pitch black like v3 used to be
jolly willow
mhm
Again though unfortunately I don't
think there really is much you are able to do against gamma increase/reshade.
shut gale
@jolly willow if you have some ideas or don't agree wtih somethign you saw in the doc you can always dm me. i like other players opinions
jolly willow
👍
violet magnet
we need the pitch black shadows from region 2 back
jolly willow
agree
violet magnet
regular decent visuals like it is now in open fields, but pitch black shadows in forests and in the shadows of mountains
glass blaze
@violet magnet I really liked those old shadows. I got pretty good at using them to my advantage back in the day. It was my favorite time to hunt.
violet magnet
ikr
i once hid in some shadows around spawn lake as a sucho and bumrushed/killed an albert that walked through, albert was 4 calling like crazy
still one of my top isle experiences 😩 👌
lone crypt
Playing with another Rex buddy, surrounding and circling a herd mega heard of trikes and dibbles, juvis, subs, adults. God, it was so cool, F calling and 3 calling, with the occasional 4 call because the animation is on point
On a server where there was no KOSing and minor realism rules so if we killed one, the herd would have to move on, if any of them charged us, the other could run in and make a kill. So intense, so fun being on the predator side
Never gonna forget that.
So that was my top isle experience
But anyways, going back to what was said earlier, I do think that darker nights should be implemented with a minor hint of moonlight to help out and add atmosphere
tribal elk
Question, how does weight affect damage?
Since before I left we were talking dino balancing stuff
spiral pond
If you bote something that is lighter then you, you do more dmg and bleed
steady solar
I think it's like armor, but instead of a specific amount of damage, their weight compared to your weight and then your damage gets decreased or increased by a certain %
as far as I understand
dry cradle
i think the reasons for not being able to see our of the burrow
is that it's made underneath the map
and your teleported there
steady solar
but I don't remember if it's made in the actual place where you make it or really deep down
but if it's the first case then I think it might be plausible
not necessary, just plausible
crystal minnow
How about dryo could sniff inside its burrow to pick up scent from outside to make sure no preds are around. Like he cant see outside but sniff
steady solar
that's for #general-feedback
true haven
@lofty urchin dont go back into prehistoric bleed mode
lofty urchin
prehistoric bleed mode?xd
true haven
i mean old kind of bleed system that makes us died XD
lofty urchin
well it's the only option to make both win /// Lose a 1v1 against eachother.
Right now rex will just munch gig and sit. but if they can die from wounds then it wouldnt make it a worth risk for them either. so n1 would risk it or both dies. right now it's only the giga thats risking shit in a 1v1
violet magnet
plz no more kamikaze fights
sitting stationary for a long time trying to heal bleed from a fight that left you badly wounded is punishment enough
lofty urchin
it's not a kamikaze fight when 4 gigs cant take on 2 rexes bcuz they'll just eat you alive
umbral prairie
It was extremely frustrating to die to bleed after a won fight, that is why you can't die from bleed when sitting anymore, but you can still die to it if you're in a fight because you don't have time to sit down
barren zephyr
ye
umbral prairie
I mean what would a giga get from the rex that killed it dying from bleed afterwards besides it's death being unnecessary because noone ate it
lofty urchin
It doesnt matter if it's frustrating or not tbh.. In reality if a rex went against a giga he shouldnt be all fine if he won the fight thats not how it works. then you might aswell add more raw dmg and delete the bleed effect from the giga
Sammel the point is that, Both apexes will be viable then
echo bridge
Game balance >>> reality
umbral prairie
stop comparing to reality pls
echo bridge
Giga just has to play it smarter now that it canf kamikaze a rex and expect yonein the fight
umbral prairie
if both would die in a fight they would just avoid each other resulting in an apex increase
echo bridge
If your too close and the Rex has stam still, your fault
lofty urchin
idk how you cant see that prob rex main players who wanna take on the world.. ask yourself this question... if you're 5man adult rex group.. what can you be afraid of in the game??? another 5man adult rex grp? xD
umbral prairie
yeah everyone not wanting to buff gigas is a rex main sure
umbral prairie
well buffing bleed is buffing gigas
umbral prairie
which is stupid and would make the game more frustrating
lofty urchin
yeah frustrating to 8yor kids who think they can just go eat a giga when they raised a rex in 1v1?
umbral prairie
you're still weak after you fought a giga because you have to sit
echo bridge
Bleed is fine, rex is already threatened by the fact giga maxes its bleed in 2 hits
Just dont risk being close to one
umbral prairie
but you don't just die
echo bridge
Yes
lofty urchin
Quincy.. I am NEVER close to a rex when I see a rex I run the other way around and I dont stop.
barren zephyr
ah
umbral prairie
and you don't have to be like'all 8year old rex mains' as most people still have some sense of balancing even if they're not playing apex
lofty urchin
but im raising a apex thats longer than a rex just to run away.. thats what I mean
echo bridge
10 minutes longer
lofty urchin
it's longer
echo bridge
Giga can escape, just need distance and a sense of terrain
lofty urchin
thing is gigas rn only prays on midtier lvl dinos.. and on those bleed doesnt even matter bcuz u just eat it
so gigas dont use bleed for anything in this game rn
echo bridge
Giga is a threat because it MAXES rexes bleed in 2 HITS
You just cant facetank a rex now
echo bridge
Who said you are getting hit?
umbral prairie
I feel like the combat rework will solve some of this (for example face tanking) and will make giga be able to kill a rex when it surprises it and makes it bleed out, but giga should die if it just approaches from the front
echo bridge
If your trading with a rex your asking to die
echo bridge
Dont run at it as a giga then
echo bridge
Run around and juke it
umbral prairie
many balancing suggestions will be something that gets fixed/changed with combat rework(hopefullly) but I think bleed is better the way is not instead of unnecessary deaths after a won fight
lofty urchin
xD
echo bridge
It has garbage turn
echo bridge
Cough cough trike
civic sky
Everyone talking about giga vs rex atm, my boy trike on the other hand. Least giga can run away from rex, if you think giga has it bad try trike. You can’t run and atm you don’t do enough damage or bleed
umbral prairie
I don't know how giga population is doing, but a week ago I saw 20 times more gigas then rexes
yeah trike needs to be stronger
lofty urchin
why would you eat trike.. 0 food, more food in a dryo xd
echo bridge
Trikes food value got fixed
echo bridge
Or at least, it said in the patch notes
lofty urchin
with the current update u dont need food either tbh, it's just killing simulator
echo bridge
Giga can easily abuse bleed on a trike
umbral prairie
I don't think anyone would say trike would not need a slight buff
although they have increased trike bleed res a bit
lofty urchin
yeah on trike, but thats closely only dino u can use the bleed for against as a giga
civic sky
When balancing rex and giga I often think of trike aswell, it’s still one of the big three in survival.
true haven
i raise rex and always run away from giga
this is just our perspective
i feel i still cant fight giga
somepeople hunting rex some of them hunt giga so this is just who will gonna be fearless
echo bridge
Giga is still a major threat to a Rex, whether bleed kills while sitting or not
lofty urchin
in a 1v1 it's no threat unless the rex somehow blind and didnt see u. or bad at getting hits.. or lost lottery with the 140% chance of bone break
echo bridge
If the rex plays wrong, the giga could easily turn the battle into a clean sweep
And bb basically makes the fight an rng fest sadly
violet magnet
we still shouting at each other about kamikaze fights
true haven
i always fear to a giga
violet magnet
what good does it do EITHER party if both parties die after the fact in a fight
violet magnet
like yeah your opponent died but u did too
true haven
they are well balance for me
we fear each other
especially people with high ping like me
lofty urchin
thing is u dont die as rex in the fight atm -- if u die to bleed when sit then both will die and it'll be an even fight. -- u cant say if both dies it's not an even fight
violet magnet
@cobalt compass might wanna reply to suggestions in this channel, we're not supposed to discuss things in the actual suggestions channel
it's an even fight as in you're evenly matched and the fight could go either way
true haven
@lofty urchin u cant blame op rex and so do i i cant blame op giga it just the matter who drive them , if the people is good enough he can barely kill everything
violet magnet
it's not an "even fight" if u both die
true haven
yeah u are right
lofty urchin
how is it not even? wot
true haven
because if both died it called stupid fight
lofty urchin
roflmao.. yeah it's called a even fight. and a stupid fight yes if u want to call it that.. but that is what makes it even? so n1 would 1v1 eachother
bcuz it's "a stupid fight"
violet magnet
and again what purpose would be served by removing the sitting bleed heal just so you, as a giga, can be assured that the rex who killed you dies, too? Petty revenge?
lofty urchin
no? to make it even? u cant read or what?
violet magnet
it's a survival game, bro, u gonna die a lot, get used to it
true haven
IT IS ALREADY EVEN
what do u want
giga is op last time now it is better
still op but i cant blame it
so u cant blame op rexxxx i told u
lofty urchin
bruh I've had 2 rexes +2 gigs alive since 1st & 2nd day of wipe. I dont die xD I play with a brain I dont fight other apexes n shit.. but what I get mad about is that we're 5gigs at times and we're scared of fighting 3rexes bcuz if one of us gets bone break we're fucked even tho we outnumber them by a lot
so we never get such a "rush" bcuz all we do is to hunt low tier dinos
violet magnet
"if one of us gets bone break we're fucked even tho we outnumber them by a lot"
....yes?
then don't get close enough to get bitten lol
true haven
yeah that just the matter of the pilots
violet magnet
and if u do and u die to a rex gg better luck next time
true haven
if ur pilot is good u will be good , and so the opposite
last time
i grown 2 adult rex
and died by giga without any luck
cobalt compass
Thats the thrill of the hunt
lofty urchin
you're literally making 0 sense rn.. there should be some way u can fight apex v apex so it balances the server out.. have some reason now man if there isnt apex v apex fights there's nothing that'll be balanced out
true haven
i mean like giga tail bite me till my end
the neat way to do is locational damage
thats all
true haven
hahahaa
lofty urchin
typhoon if u get tail bited till ur dead u dno how to alt turn
violet magnet
yes, alt turn so you can facetank the giga biting you from behind
lofty urchin
and rex wins the face tank - then u sit and gg
true haven
even if i have alt turn thats not a problems to determine who is stornger
last time
giga win facetank
lofty urchin
till they remove alt turn from official servers, it'll always the what that should be balanced out from
true haven
rex should win facetank
violet magnet
lofty urchin
if there wasnt alt turn on official servers, then sure giga is good
true haven
build for force
giga build for bleed
even right now giga still making 0 sense to me , it still mock rex if u ambushed by them
lofty urchin
I get how u get tail bitten till you're dead then typhoon. but if you can alt turn and get bone break 1st bite.. the giga is dead
violet magnet
nah alt turn is a game mechanic, without alt turn a rex can be buttrode to death by a single utah
lofty urchin
now u wont
cobalt compass
Yeah, thats the magical word "IF"
lofty urchin
since the update gigs cant facetank anymore
violet magnet
that's a bad thing...why?
true haven
what is the problems with that
lofty urchin
it's not magical if because you can alt turn on official servers.. there's nothing magical about it xD
true haven
10 minutes difference
giga bleeder with 50 bleed and 700 damage
it is not weird it is fine
it is FAIR right now
lofty urchin
the problem is .. if rex hits u 1time u're dead and ur bleed dmg doesnt matter at all. therefor gigas always have to run from rexes, which makes it quite boring for a giga bcuz they cant fight any dinos but midtiers
violet magnet
....yes?
true haven
IT IS JUST 70pecent
violet magnet
because rex hurts?
lofty urchin
???
violet magnet
i really don't know what the problem is supposed to be with this matchup
lofty urchin
sure and gigs said it was fine b4 the patch
lofty urchin
we'll see in the future xD
true haven
why u wont losee FACETANK rex
so u mean giga should win everytime
that isnt fair , even if giga stupid and facetank rex last time it will win
but right now it is fair
so giga need to be more strategic
mindless giga shoiuld be dead right now
locational damage should fix all this stupid discussion
or locking system like in fish and grow
we lock in its neck
civic sky
Can’t giga just run from rex and leave it in the dust? Sorry I haven’t touched apexes in a good while but I’m assuming it’s much faster with non ambush.
lofty urchin
yes
meanwhile u can go grow a utah or something
sounds like u're master in running already xd
violet magnet
what's the issue with running away from something that can surely kill you in a survival game?
civic sky
I’m definitely a master at running away haha, pachy and galli are two of my mains both of which are perfect for doing so.
civic sky
Pachy can put up quite the fight when needed though
lofty urchin
should be added more apexes n shit.. boring just comparing 2 apexes to eachother 24/7 tbh if there was like 3 apexes or smth and all of em could hunt one of the other then it would be neat
wheat hemlock
Pachies can put up a fight? Last time I checked they do like no DMG to a solo, yet visually they look like they can break ribs with 1 headbutt 🤔
Dilo
civic sky
There’s three technically even though the third isn’t an apex but I still count t, trike
barren zephyr
and 2 shots utah
wheat hemlock
In survival a solo bit me once and bleed was the end of me, was a sad time... Has it changed?
civic sky
Pachy can fight off dilo, utah, and if done right carno although I wouldn’t recommend it
barren zephyr
revently yess
wheat hemlock
Dilo! FFS autocorrect
lofty urchin
well trike is just an herb - puke, but yeah thats correct, trikes can fck with rexes and gigs can fuck with trikes n rexes can fck with gigs.. thing is idk if the food was fixed or not but trikes gave like 0 food so wasnt even worth it b4
versed blaze
Trike food is fixed
umbral prairie
@smoky lintel they can fill it up with oros, but I think it's better to have fewer but bigger ai spawns so the ai takes up less server capacity because there are less individual things that have to be calculated
jolly willow
why nerf giga again
thats not necessary, we still need to get a (close to) 50/50 chance for both of them in a 1v1
after the new nerf seeing a giga as rex is "no biggie lmfao"
smoky lintel
Fair enough @umbral prairie. I was just thinking about people afk progging as juvi with those avas around tho. But It was just a thought.
umbral prairie
do avas have the same behavior as other oro AI or do they attack? because I feel like avas should be able to kill smaller juvies
obsidian matrix
@umbral prairie it makes sense ye, but i still think less hunger drain+ bigger ai makes apex life to easy
umbral prairie
the big AI should spawn less often to balance that
obsidian matrix
agreed
umbral prairie
hadrosaur AI would be cool if they were in herds tho, maybe they could spawn in random locations (that aren't mountains with noone around) and wander around instead of spawning specifically near a hungry dino
next nexus
@glossy garden I think not being able to use scent on the move is a deliberate balancing decision for herbivores as allowing such a thing would make it more an offensive tracking ability and less a utility finding food ability. Carnis can use it to track because their food is alive and moving and sometimes player controlled, herbivores food doesnt do this.
Giving herbs better tracking scent options would just encourage them to run down other players even more.
verbal acorn
Giga didn’t need a nerf. Giga could face tank a brain dead Rex, but couldn’t pursue. The Rex has the ability to dictate the fight with its speed and bone break...a smart Rex was able to press the engagement or disengage nearly at will. The Giga was already beholden to the will of the Rex...which is exactly why it needed to have the facetank advantage.
Forcing the Giga to have all the critical disadvantages of less speed, less bite damage, no bone-break is ludicrous. At least higher bite damage gave it an advantage against the apparent high percentage of brain dead Rex players who only seem to know how to facetank.
umbral prairie
@dark plinth They usually don't give ETAs
nocturne blaze
@craggy jasper buffing giga's speed would literally throw everything off balance.
right now most creatures can barely escape a giga, making it faster than a rex with that incredible stam it has would be catastrophic
nocturne blaze
We all remember fast giga, don't we?
Everyone who wasn't a giga or a Galli was fucked
and considering most servers are like 70% giga population at any given time
craggy jasper
@nocturne blaze really? 30 km/h is not fast tbh, if u buff up a little bit, it would be fine for giga. And as i siad rex can outrun and sprint u easy, last stats for giga and fights were okey, now rex dominates as he wills. the only way u can get away from him is by trotting early enough. when i play giga i only meet 2 gigas in a time, where i meet like 12 rex. even when i am allo or a cera, i just meet rex all day and only 2 gigas or smth.
nocturne blaze
Just because you didn't see many gigas one day doesn't mean there aren't a shit ton on every server. And not only that but rex is literally meant to be the head honcho.
barren zephyr
i see to many people arguing against giga andnot enoughpeoplearguin for dilo
nocturne blaze
You would literally screw over everything else if you made giga any faster, and for what?
We're not really talking about dilo 
digital pewter
giga players are the scum of the earth
barren zephyr
but dilooooo
craggy jasper
he is and he was before the patch^^ u needed 2 gigas vs 1 rex, it was balanced, now its just getting harder and harder to kill one.
cobalt compass
@craggy jasper have you ever tried to play on a "no alt+turn" server?
craggy jasper
well there are no argentinasaurus on the server
hazy sparrow
Giga i GIGANTIC and its speed should reflect that, the smallest creatures are usually the fastests. not the other way around
nocturne blaze
Exactly
craggy jasper
and yes i played on a no alt trun server @cobalt compass
umbral prairie
why would you play no alt turn, it's an iportant game mechanic
hazy sparrow
Try outrunning a dog 😃
nocturne blaze
You can't really be an apex carnivore and whine about being too slow
umbral prairie
it just needs an animation so people stop crying about how it is unrealistic
nocturne blaze
Giga players 
umbral prairie
which it isn't
craggy jasper
rex players
barren zephyr
with no alt turn utah is the apex
craggy jasper
cera too
cobalt compass
@craggy jasper where did you find it more enjoyable?
hazy sparrow
Must rely on ambush, not continuous speed, it would tire out too fast. If its speed gets buffed, its stamina has to take a hit
umbral prairie
yeah some people complain that 'you can't have a dino stronger and faster than another one' when comparing rex to giga but they leave out all aspects besides flat damage and speed
nocturne blaze
I'm not a rex player tho 
cobalt compass
Without aturn its more riskyier and thrilling when hunting or hiding, espacially at edges or close places
craggy jasper
i liked it without alt turn, though i fight on the official server without alt turn anyway
umbral prairie
and I think it's good that giga has more of a chance against rex as it used to but I really think in a 1v1 where both approach each other from the front a rex should just win, it is the bite force dino after all, but I hope the combat rework will make it possible that a giga that surprises a rex can get it to bleed out with not too much skill needed
cobalt compass
Sure, but that wont stop your opponent from using it
craggy jasper
he won last patch so 😄 @umbral prairie i tested it with my friend
umbral prairie
My experience on no alt turn servers was me getting ass ridden by utahs all the time
yeah giga won last patch and I thought it was pretty stupid, I think the nerfed it's damage a bit though
I think it's 700 now
cobalt compass
Yeah that assriding could come to an end when raptor can pounce again and collision with localdamage is implemented
valid flower
@dapper quail Rex and giga dick riders will attack u now.
cobalt compass
Getting only minor dmg when the tail is hit
dapper quail
?
violet magnet
tfw 6 suggestions in a row are asking for a trike buff
valid flower
They rlly need it imo
violet magnet
*almost 6, except for the camera shaking suggestion
mental sleet
doesn't matter, no need to spam it.
last remnant
Trikes are still a risk for giga and rex. It's just that they aren't this unstoppable force anymore.
violet magnet
they aren't any kind of force for rex or giga
last remnant
What do you mean? As a herd, they are very dangerous.
violet magnet
the only way a rex or giga gets killed by a trike now is if they let it buttride them
umbral prairie
a herd of three trikes can get killed by 2 skilled rexes I think
skilled as in not letting themselves get ass ridden
and a trike should really only be killable from behind and maybe the side
pure copper
A herd doesn’t matter if you can’t find one
violet magnet
trikes in a herd = why tf u goin' after a big trike herd anyway
last remnant
The only thing that I would change about them is their overall health, but I wouldn't buff by that. As a herbivore, I don't see the point of being absolutely feared by every carnivore.
pure copper
......
violet magnet
if you're feared they don't mess with you and you live
umbral prairie
trike is just a too easy kill atm
last remnant
But then trikes can basically afk like they used to.
umbral prairie
it shouldn't be able to 1v2 other apexes but it is in need of a buff
pure copper
“Afk” is a player choice not a granted playstyle
last remnant
So, is being a skilled rex...
pure copper
That ain’t the point , point is you shouldn’t be able to bulldoze a trike just because it’s alone
last remnant
There is no way that an apex can just bulldoze a trike.
violet magnet
akshually
umbral prairie
atm, they can
hazy sparrow
Trikes should fight each other more often, to establish dominance 😉
pure copper
Unless a mechanic is implemented for sparring that ain’t happening
last remnant
I've seen trikes kill rexes and giga quite easily.
violet magnet
i don't want trikes to bulldoze everything, either, but a lone trike should not be such an easy meal for a lone giga or rex that comes across it
umbral prairie
we will have to wait for collision to get cool trike fights
last remnant
I've also killed rexes and giga with ease.
violet magnet
both of u full-grown, full health, with alt turn, no bonebreak?
umbral prairie
kaijor it really isn't easy right now, it's way easier to kill a trike as a rex than the other way around
hazy sparrow
but like cows and elephants, trikes rely on a herd for protection, so one on it's own SHOULD be killable, at least by a pair of apex
umbral prairie
yeah by a pair sure
hazy sparrow
maybe not every time 😄 but
umbral prairie
but It shouldn't be such an easy kill for a solo apex
pure copper
A herd offers protection but it’s not their only protection
You realize that elephants and bovines are perfectly capable of defending themselves on their own right
last remnant
It isn't...
hazy sparrow
Yes, they've got their spikey face and armored crest
violet magnet
for fuck's sake trike has 3 meter long spikes coming out of its head and a rex can run at it face-first with no issue
hazy sparrow
thicc hide too
I suggested passive damage if something were to attack trike head on, not sure if that would even be possible though
last remnant
Then what are you suggesting?
pure copper
We could always start thinking about that charge mechanic trikes meant to have
umbral prairie
with collision and locational damage trike will win if attacked from thw front
last remnant
I'm still not sure what any of you are suggestin though?
violet magnet
for right now, trike should deal more damage with its attacks
umbral prairie
and will be killable if attacked from the back
right now, the suggestion is to give trike a slight buff so it isn't such an easy kill, but is also not capable of 1v2 ing apexes
violet magnet
and gigas and rexes should attack it from behind instead of running right into its face
echo bridge
I wouldn't be against trike doing more dmg, but you cant increase it by too much because of trikes weight factor
last remnant
Herbivores aren't carnivores though. They shouldn't be dealing a ton of health as they are supposed to be defensive. The big thing about trikes were their stability and their ability to rotate their head to keep to the front. Imo they should have a bit more health, but giving them more damage will put them in the same situation they were in before.
echo bridge
Even a 50 dmg increase could shift the whole fight in trikes favor
echo bridge
And since trike does take less time, there's merit to it having a disadvantage
Not a big one
But minor ones
pure copper
Herbivores aren’t carnivores though
Exactly what does diet have to do with stat balance for a 7 ton animal with javelins on its head
last remnant
Read the rest of my post
violet magnet
"They shouldn't be dealing a ton of health as they are supposed to be defensive."
the best way to DEFEND yourself in this game is to be SO strong and hit SO hard that things don't want to mess with you
echo bridge
Honestly up trike dmg to 400 dmg and it'll be fine from there
violet magnet
best defense is offense
echo bridge
I bet the carnis apex mains will complain tho
violet magnet
course they will
pure copper
It’s always the same cycle
echo bridge
Cant give trike a stam or speed buff because then it'll start chasing apexes again
violet magnet
leave the speed and stam where it is now, increase the damage output
so it's an offensive defender
echo bridge
So its down to dmg, hp, turn radius, and attack speed
pure copper
I like attacking things in this particular way
this stat change doesn’t let me attack it the way I used to
dino too op nerf it so I can go back to said routine
echo bridge
Give trike too much hp/weight and its slower shant
So dmg is the only real changeable thing unless you want ballerina trikes back
last remnant
You could also decrease the amount of time between attacks and make it tanker. That way it wouldn't be worth facetanking.
violet magnet
literally change just the amount of damage it does and it should be good
last remnant
It'll just be the same way it was before that really sucked for all carnivores.
echo bridge
And buff stomp dmg to 1000 base because if you land such a slow hit, it should hurt like hell
violet magnet
trike was faster and could regen stam while trotting before, now it's slow and has to sit
so not really like it was before
echo bridge
Would only do 1431 dmg to a rex, so isnt too op
last remnant
It had relatively high damage compared to apex.
echo bridge
At 1000 base
barren zephyr
so aside from "avoid the holes 4head, the map has warning spots for them", anyone like the idea of a dev taking 15 minutes to put rocks over the holes?
got last time i posted a suggestion about it and idk why
violet magnet
idk i think it'd be an easier fix than combing the entirety of the map looking for holes in the mesh to fix, just put the big rocks with collision over the holes that are already known
coarse thicket
Herbs, instead of damage, should have more crippling type moves that will give carnivore different effects and allow the herb to escape. Stuff like bone break and bleed work.
violet magnet
herbs had bonebreak before, but the problem was they'd break the carni's leg and then finish it off instead of running away to safety
barren zephyr
@violet magnet for one, the chinese made map has coords for every danger spot, including every "hole" i mean and extras (made out of terrain or trees that isnt just a pit), and the holes seem to be a pretty weird problem that they can't fix by "smoothing out" the terrain, or they would have by now.
coarse thicket
Lower herb damage to accompany bb then so if they keep trying the carnI will finish them off.
violet magnet
i'd love it if we could have some defensive bonebreak for something like pachy, but the people who would abuse it to mass-slaughter other players are partly the reason nothing has bonebreak anymore
civic sky
thing is though, that should only be for herbs who are meant to run away which is most of the roster, trike and diablo are the only two who can fight back and should do so. Pachy is kindas in the middle haha
violet magnet
@barren zephyr is there a link to this map that has all the coords of the Danger Zones? 😮
civic sky
it's a good fighter but also a good runner ❤
barren zephyr
The Isle Map (tneyaw, v3) in steam guides, but i'll get you one too @violet magnet
hazy sparrow
Temporary stun? Like Para/Pachy headbutt cause a distortion effect? XD
grim halo
Scramble wasd as apart of the distortion caused by the headbutt :)
vernal hornet
Has anyone heard the devs mention whether or not theyre going to edit and develope the southeastern side of the v3 map more? ya know the area with the island chains?
pure copper
@pine brook Camara was confirmed for survival on stream
pine brook
as a playable or ai? 🙃
compact matrix
playable
pure copper
Playable m9
pine brook
oof, nvm then lol
dim umbra
Nice!
Also it's not suprising to hear after the patch
lament thorn
@south flower you can just leave the group in the character menu
burnt fern
@south flower
hit insert, top left youll see character and group below it. click group, youll see your group and all its members. at the bottom you can leave the group
but yeah automatic ungrouping should be a thing its a hassle to click 'leave group' every time 🙄
south flower
@lament thorn @burnt fern I updated the suggestion, my apoligies
I meant for sandbox servers lol
barren peak
I think Camara should be bigger
gray crystal
think they should bring back father or patriarch back to the nest and be able to select a male in your group to be that father of the eggs. Allow random coloration based on parents coloring. Bring back more dinosaur choices for herbivores and carnivores to chose from
hazy sparrow
Bone break chance% rather than always bone break? 🤔
shut gale
^
coarse shell
@random ore if you mean a first person camera, it's been experimented with in the past and it didnt work out well
coarse shell
@random ore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qBVV5jw3s
random ore
thx
pale prairie
@smoky lintel a few of those things are already coming
but eh
as i stands right now
the mother needs to gestate the eggs
but anyone playing the same animal can incubate them
coarse shell
@feral sigil better suited for #401481402782056460
viral creek
@kind spire Yes, some are. The list was originally made without the current colors in mind
Ignore any colors that are already ingame.
Also black is a natural color, I don't see the reason to remove it from ALL regions but 3
Same goes for white
kind spire
eh, I feel like black is only realistic for endothermic critters, (cold blooded) unless it's hair or feathers
violet magnet
kind spire
darker tones are fine, black is just a default choice for edgelords.
Yes, poor choice, a melanistic mammal.. black hair in big cats is a rarer feature than tan
also I already noted Hair or feathers being an exception
viral creek
If they want to be an edge lord, let them. Chances are, they'll stick out like a sore thumb and die.
viral creek
There are a lot less jet black animals in survival than sandbox, for that reason.
violet magnet
it ain't my business if anyone wants to run around as an indoraptor 🤷
viral creek
There's a blue steel in my list, and a dark blue for herbivores ingame. No baby blues tho
jolly willow
good enough
kind spire
I'd enjoy a blueish purple for tiny details but thats about all i'd ask for atm
viral creek
Black base can also work well with proper countershading on the underside
violet magnet
red bellied black snake
kind spire
Grievous, you do realize that snakes are cold blooded and being black is an advantage for warming up right?
violet magnet
they're also scaled and apparently hair and feathers "don't count"
kind spire
I don't see any featherless birb parts that aren't grey at the most. I don't think pure black would track going backwards
far as pebbly skin goes
violet magnet
m'kay
kind spire
but thats just me
violet magnet
black still occurs in nature tho
violet magnet
what does the color of their eggs prove, exactly...?
barren zephyr
@viral creek I think you could easily replace one or two of the yellow gradients with something like bluegrey and a more pine green or cool brown, overall great (˘︶˘).｡.:*♡
pure copper
So basically this whole conversation was to try and justify full black color in dinosaurs
Lame.....
jolly willow
sorta
pure copper
The only endothermic reptile for which black is acceptable is Toothless
violet magnet
still waiting to hear why the color of emu eggs matter, tho
but if you don't like black in the color palette then...don't...use it?...in your skins?
pure copper
Or or
OR
It could not exist
Solid black skins are signs of nubeNess in game
Aren’t black highlights still allowed ?
Or is it grey
violet magnet
still trying to wrap my head around "black is okay in hair and feathers, but also not okay in snakes because they're cold-blooded and literally the only function of black in snakes is for them to warm up faster"
.....ok
pure copper
Large dinosaurs being solid black doesn’t make much sense , but I guess the indoraptor started a craze
Even the indoraptor coloration was less black than the Ferrari rexes I’ve seen
violet magnet
personal preferences 🤷 none of my business
pure copper
I mean couldn’t we argue the same for neon colors ?
Gross
Those are ThotCategory because they’re ridiculous
Pretty sure amphibians are different from reptiles let alone dinosaurs
that isn’t full neon lad and doesn’t change what I said
How’s that neon
You know exactly what I mean when I refer to it
violet magnet
it's basically the same red as Rex 1 was
pure copper
Doesn’t rex still have the red highlight
violet magnet
i mean what is the problem if people want neon colors or to be jet black? The only reasons I've heard against it so far have been "it isn't naturally occurring" (demonstratably false, and since when do we care about realism in this game) and "well i just personally don't like it okay"
pure copper
It’s primarily about immersion
violet magnet
"muh immersion" falls under the "well i just personally don't like it okay" category
pure copper
So let’s make cerato pue sized
violet magnet
r/whoosh
jovial arch
But that gives an inaccurate representation of combat strength
normal fern
What do people think of my suggestion?
jovial arch
Colors don’t do anything but tickle your aesthetic funny
jovial arch
I mean taco
Tbh I never cared too much about skins as long as they were good camo
If you wanna be neon, go for it
I’ll appreciate the meal
pure copper
Not much reason for the color palette to be too open ended , the brighter colors work best for highlights
violet magnet
the only time i care about someone's skin is if we're grouped and their skin is a beacon to things we're trying to hunt
pure copper
Even the most ludicrous skins in game are tolerable compared to the idea of a full pink trike
The most out there on I’ve seen was a gold Utah ? Idk
mystic kestrel
Same as i kill ppl that are typing in gane
pure copper
Most people pick ok-ish skins
mystic kestrel
If you lower my chances of getting a kill ill end you my self
jovial arch
Tasted good
hazy sparrow
Just give people this many choices on every color.
pure copper
For what purpose
pure copper
People have choice already , the only thing I’ve seen most requested is for black and a few extra colors for both sexes
hazy sparrow
There you go, the perfect amount of choice.
hoary ocean
Colors are more focused on a dimmer appearance, to fit The Isle's theme. Bright colors aren't going to be in the game.
hazy sparrow
Should flyers have a ceiling too?! Or is that stamina suggestion aimed at not letting them go too high as well?
jovial arch
Actually that’s a pretty good point
silver dagger
They would have a ceiling, isn't there a skybox?
jovial arch
Neon colors don’t really fit the theme of horror
hazy sparrow
I'm no dev, I have no idea >.<
silver dagger
It would probably deter them going too high if they plan on going up and down a lot before landing again.
hazy sparrow
If something wants to be pink, just eat it
viral creek
I tried my best to avoid neon colors as much as humanly possible in my suggestion
Color variety is great
But uh...no neons
pure copper
Or we could just not give them pink to begin with
viral creek
The only close to neon thing I'd find acceptable, are oranges, and colors on the detail region.
hazy sparrow
There's already red, pink isn't much different... just a bit more white in it
viral creek
(Since bright orangeish is on quite a few animals)
pure copper
There’s a pretty noticeable difference between a dinosaur with red hues and a full pink creature
violet magnet
but i wanna be a flamingo Gawddamnit
hazy sparrow
Like grevious already said, it's just painting a target, they'll die quickly and you wont have to look at them
silver dagger
Not always.
pure copper
^
viral creek
If they're a rex or giga... ehhhhh
hazy sparrow
I'd be more afraid of a pink rex 😃
viral creek
Or a sauropod
pure copper
The game seems to be aiming for more naturalistic/ish palettes for the theme of things
viral creek
Oh god pink camara oh god oh jesus
jovial arch
I mean
silver dagger
I'd like the "no variation" option removed from skins honestly.
jovial arch
Barney is terrifying
violet magnet
if i ever see a fully grown neon pink allo i'mma run my ass outta its line of sight
hazy sparrow
@silver dagger yea the skin looks too smooth with the no variation
silver dagger
Like clay.
viral creek
I'd die of laughter before dying
hoary ocean
I would've been fine with presets
pure copper
Im enjoying the more grounded colors
violet magnet
how any pink dino feeds itself: look so ridiculous that your prey stands there laughing its ass off then kill it
hazy sparrow
Maybe just let server admins decide what colors to allow?
hazy sparrow
Nah, they're just paying for the server
viral creek
If you reallllyyyy want a color wheel
pure copper
Mod it
pure copper
Ninjad
Then you can have as many purple pink animals as you want
While the main game stays more sane
hazy sparrow
I wouldn't play a pink dino, but removing the option seems rather constrictive... 🐍
pure copper
Can’t remove something that was never added.
silver dagger
I like the limited color palette, but would like maybe a bit more variation in some. But maybe that could be an opportunity for unlockables.
violet magnet
to be able to make a decent camo skin you have to walk around as a beacon for five hours and survive
viral creek
Honestly, I just want more lighter and darker variations of the colors we have, for blending sake.
And a few new colors
pure copper
Having limited color variation isn’t an inherently bad thing , depending on just how limited we’re talking
silver dagger
The greens we have now are kinda puke green and evergreen unless you're a dilo.
pure copper
I Kindve miss dilos old default
violet magnet
the greens for utah work pretty dang well as camo tho
pure copper
But the new ones grown on me a bit
silver dagger
oh a lot of them are still good camo, just sorta ugly still lol
viral creek
Don't get me wrong, you can make some sick looking skins atm, but with the lack of different patterns, some skins are starting to look the same again
violet magnet
i was a green utah today and managed to evade carnos, carnos ran right by me
viral creek
Like i love this skin and will never change it, even with new colors lmao
pure copper
That’s actually a really good one
silver dagger
They said we will be able to customize eye color eventually right?
viral creek
Yes
silver dagger
So excited for that.
viral creek
Ye. I wanna give that pachy some nice gold eyes
pure copper
Make the eyes look like they’re blind
viral creek
But yeah, you can make a lot of good skins. But it's getting harder and harder by the day to actually make your skin unique
Without looking bad
silver dagger
More patterns would help that a lot.
viral creek
Agreed
I still have yet to see a pachy that looks like mine tho
Herbs have a lot more colors than carns too
Which I have no idea why that is
pure copper
because they’re better
viral creek
A lot easier to make like... a pachy skin that stands out, than a rex skin that stands out.
viral creek
Na
Herbs have blues, more greens and more orange-ish colors.
pulsar lake
It's a moutarde skin lol
silver dagger
With nesting, they are gonna eventually mix colors from your mother and father right? Will it just be picking various colors or actually mixing the colors together to make a new unselectable color?
pulsar lake
I have it too on rex, Utah, sucho, giga 😂
viral creek
My pachy is not mustard. >:V
silver dagger
Because if it were literally mixing the colors that might be neat.
pulsar lake
You have :
- Variation : Large
- Detail : Carnivore Scale/Crest Orange
- Underbelly : Utha 4
- Body 1 : Cerato 5
- Body 2 : Diablo 1
- Body 3 : Carno 5
Not carno 5
viral creek
How did you memorize this
Also his dome is goLd not orange
But still
H o w d i d y o u m e m o r i z e
pulsar lake
I have this skin almost for every dino
viral creek
I don't believe you
Also I want a skin based off of my cat and you will not stop me
pure copper
Begone
viral creek
No u
pulsar lake
Detail : unknow
Underbelly : trike 1
Boby 1 : Carno 5
Body 2 : trike 1
Body 3 : Carno 5
Variations : large
viral creek
Those albino lookin paras behind you tho
pure copper
We don’t talk about them
pulsar lake
Detail is para 1
Underbelly idk
Body 1 it's dryo 3
Body 2 it's Utah 1
Body 3 it's giga 5
pure copper
You certainly have decent taste
pulsar lake
Detail orange crest
Underbelly and detail 2 idk but maybe an Utah color
Detail 1 it's still Dibble 1
Detail 3 it's carno or rex 5
viral creek
Wrong
pulsar lake
viral creek
violet magnet
my go-to skin has been this palette/pattern since the skin creator came out
it look good on para too but paras are just targeted nowadays ;-;
pure copper
Are paras not balanced anymore ?
restive mesa
Yea, if youre an herbi player the devs hate you.
silver dagger
It's just that there isn't a way to discourage people from running down and murdering carnivores yet.
Apart from stats.
spiral pond
I was thinking of buffing only the kick
restive mesa
Yea there is. Herbis not being faster than smaller, weaker carnivores
If its more powerful, it should be slower
If is faster, it should be weaker
silver dagger
Fight or flight, yes. Para was just too slow to get away from big boys before.
First it was fast and strong, then slow and weak, now weak and fastish.
restive mesa
There is absolutely no excuse for how useless the trike has become and it looks like thats the way they are going with other herbivores
silver dagger
Well it comes down to how people were playing trikes when they were strong enough to easily take down rexes.
restive mesa
I used to play 3 herbis to every 1 carni. Now that its basically pointless I have been playing carni back to back. And, it looks like everyone else is doing the same.
Rexes should have a faster trot
solves the problem
silver dagger
I don't mind being small and dying a lot, so dryo has been fun for me lately.
restive mesa
if you are a rex and you get close enough for a trike to sprint and gore you, then you deserved it.
spiral pond
Pachy is super fun now
silver dagger
It's just a lot of balancing and more mechanics before the big herbivores will feel right I think.
spiral pond
But fast
spiral pond
And swims good I heard
restive mesa
being a walking lunchbox for apexes like Trike and Dibble is just stupid
true haven
Tag me if someone response
silver dagger
@true haven progression was kinda like that, didn't go over well. I don't think they want to go back to making you play a dinosaur you don't want to play as just to play the one you want. They want you to be attached to your dinosaur and survive as long as possible. Though I do think some kind of token system would be nice for special unlockables like new skin patterns.
barren zephyr
@restive mesa diabloceratops isnt an Apex
viral creek
I think he means diablo is apex food
restive mesa
@barren zephyr ? saying that trike and dibble are walking lunchboxes for apexes
barren zephyr
Oh my bad sorry
restive mesa
Commence feverish deleting
barren zephyr
But yes..diabloceratops should be a lunchbox to a giga or a rex, so im still confused with your commentary. And regarding to Triceratops...solo players are a meal to Apex and that should only be natural..a Trike isnt meant to be alone, its strenght is on its herd.
restive mesa
@silver dagger You dont think some sort of soft progression for being able to select an Apex would help curb their population?
silver dagger
It might, but I don't think it fits the spirit of the Survival game mode.
I'm sure progression will come back through mods in some form though.
restive mesa
Actually @barren zephyr any time you make anything a walking lunchbox, no one plays that particular dino.
true haven
Yeah i was thinking a soft progression only for apex to curb their pops
restive mesa
As a carnivore you should be forced to use skill to kill your prey
Not just IM FASTER AND STRONGER REEEEE
barren zephyr
@restive mesa well...but you know that its natural for a Diablo to be killed by rex or giga right? And diablo has the speed advantage so just run away, problem solved.
silver dagger
The combat overhaul will hopefully factor into skill based fighting.
true haven
But for that u need advance mechanics
restive mesa
Thats what im saying. It needs to either be faster or stronger
Than whatever its up against
barren zephyr
What we need is the affinity system to start taking out the trash out of this game..to many afk growing Apex kids in this game.
restive mesa
@silver dagger I really hope so. I love playing carno right now. If you have solid players in your group you can hunt solo rexes. If you dont use skill basically anything can kill you.
silver dagger
Locational damage alone will make things play out differently in hunts.
true haven
I got bad connection and make me confuse of hitting
Yeah locational damage
I was always affraid to hunt something stronger
restive mesa
Yea, thatll be pretty sweet. I also really liked a suggestion I saw about a bleed overhaul as well. Making bleed stack much slower/faster depending on the weight of the dino being attacked
restive mesa
I know its kind of like that now but, I mean like a great deal more dependent on the weights of said dinos.
barren zephyr
And we need collision to be implemented...dinos walking through bodies is just..not natural and make pvp a walk in the park.
restive mesa
I would bet collision is a far far way off.
silver dagger
Camara got some trample damage anyway.
restive mesa
That is extremely hard to implement well
barren zephyr
Im certain that collision will be ingame in the near future
silver dagger
Their first collision system had you get stuck in the black hole of death in shants lol
restive mesa
You think tree collision is bad now? Wait until the "tree collision" is moving as a separate entity
violet magnet
the collision system in now transforms rocks and trees into black holes, i swurr
barren zephyr
Believe in the devs..collision and affinity system is the hope of this game
restive mesa
Lol now give that a separate ping and timing while it moves and watch how fast it ruins your game
silver dagger
I don't think they ever want full collision. Because of the getting stuck in things.
violet magnet
i made the mistake of walking through a forest on a trike and before then i had never realized JUST HOW MANY GAHTDAMN ROCKS THERE WERE
barren zephyr
Did they fix the code already?
true haven
Nah
violet magnet
unless ur a dilo or utah
true haven
Nah
silver dagger
No, I think they're about to start the full code redo soonish.
violet magnet
maybe allo but that'd be pushin' it
barren zephyr
Let them finish the bad code and good things will happen
restive mesa
Yea but when a carno gets stuck on something it gets like, glue stuck
barren zephyr
@restive mesa alt turn
silver dagger
They need to make it where you can't disable alt turn.
silver dagger
It just needs its own animation is all.
restive mesa
yes
true haven
Even gta have hundreds and hundred dev but still finishrd in 5 years
restive mesa
Agreed. With different amounts of time to do the full turn it would be fine
violet magnet
i realized like a week ago that the alt turn "animation" is just a rreeaaalllyyy ssllooowww walking animation
true haven
Animation of turning will take their time by a much
silver dagger
You mean the one that pachy has right now?
barren zephyr
If you dont like alt turn and love carebearing = private servers...alt turn is a necessary mechanic of this game specially for big dinos..and animals turn in real life. If alt turn had a proper and realistic animation nobody would complain
restive mesa
@barren zephyr why dont you play on isla nycta 3
silver dagger
Basically, it was a needed quick fix.
silver dagger
Nycta doesn't have alt turn haha
barren zephyr
No sir thank you..like i said, private is for carebears
true haven
Nycta will suffer rex guy xd
silver dagger
Speaking of that, no global chat as an option would be nice.
true haven
And giga too
silver dagger
Global chat just encourages cross species communication.
restive mesa
No global = less interacting with other players which = less friend making which = even I would prob quit
silver dagger
Discord exists.
barren zephyr
@restive mesa then goodbye 
violet magnet
urbandictionary says carebears are "players uninterested in PvP combat"
derp
guess i'm a carebear 🤷
restive mesa
@barren zephyr #toxic
silver dagger
I'm interested in running away, guess that fits under that umbrella definition lol
barren zephyr
Im used to that @restive mesa
restive mesa
Ive killed 2 rexes a giga a para being protected by a shant 4v4 carno vs cera
Dont know how being on private means there is no pvp
Broken logic there
silver dagger
I think it's more like if there's a body you can't hunt sort of rules
that turns people away
violet magnet
urbandictionary's carebear example is literally someone minding their own business in a game (the carebear) then getting killed repeatedly by a griefer for no other reason than the carebear was just there
sounds like isle
silver dagger
I don't mind realism servers, just wish they had alt turn and no global or sandbox critters
barren zephyr
There is pvp...with carebear rules like for example "im inside water so im protected by the water spirit or body down nobody moves" or "im strategicaly ambushing a prey but im gonna spam call before attacking to give away my position and give an advantage for someone to just run away"... All logical...even the lead developer of this game mocks with those servers
restive mesa
I dont think theyd need global if local chat worked for similar herbivore species
restive mesa
Actually the only rule that we have that you listed is the body down rule
viral creek
Even nycta doesn't have rules that silly
restive mesa
Water doesnt protect anymore and you dont have to 3 call
viral creek
Tbh the worst realism server in my opinion is risen
silver dagger
Was too easy to work together when all herbivores could speak to each other. Don't think they even want reskinned dinosaur species to be able to talk to the original species. Like various hadrosaurs wouldn't be able to talk to one another even though their only real difference is the crest haha.
barren zephyr
@restive mesa maybe they have common sense now idk lol
restive mesa
@silver dagger thats dumb
Color shouldnt matter for that. And if it does then it shouldnt be customizable
silver dagger
Yeah idk, I think if they were not unique enough maybe they should be able to speak to eachother. But I'm not making the decisions lol
And not color
Like a new species that's just a redone version of a model
barren zephyr
The only thing that i do agree in private servers is pack limits and that is what officials should have to for proper balance.
restive mesa
Idk hadrosaurs should be able to talk and herd together.
viral creek
Officials have very soft pack limits
true haven
Affinity
restive mesa
Pack limits are strictly monitored on nycta
violet magnet
ngl i just like talking to friends in global chat in-game sometimes
restive mesa
see it all the time
barren zephyr
Oh another carebear thing in private = p2w...just give them money and you have an unbalanced dino that will be in survival when balanced
restive mesa
"who wants a insert dino here egg?" would no longer exist
viral creek
The main issue with nycta for me, is the injection of sandbox animals, which aren't balanced at all
silver dagger
Yeah I don't like the sandbox animals.
I mean, I do like them, but not in Survival.
restive mesa
lol the only unbalanced dino right now is IN survival
silver dagger
You don't think shants are unbalanced?
restive mesa
Dinos* I should say
restive mesa
They weigh 12 tons
barren zephyr
Spino