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#general-feedback-discussion
unborn quail
leaden night
Hah
frail cargo
but stygimoloch is unnecessary, it adds nothing to variety
glad bear
@dreamy basin allo is stronger and bigger than cerato already
waxen elk
Mfw i see Jurassic fight club being brought back to say “Allosr shuld be inmortl!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Allo is strong already
It’s just slow
Also, don’t use JFC as a source of information
Ever.
hazy sparrow
Reminds me of Arma, @inland narwhal the Alt-Look system works well in that game.
native nebula
JFC. Ha. I wonder if they knew what they were doing with that acronym.
barren zephyr
Too good to be a coincidence
jaunty jolt
Does it update
dreamy basin
According to that link and the internet the the cerato is about the size of a utah. The Cerato bite at full grown is stronger than the allo in game. Really want I want in game though is the Allo to be stronger than the smaller Cerato and to not get killed in one shot by apexs when it gets a bite/hit on the tip of its tail. I think in game the area bitten/hit should affect damage. For instance if an adult trike hits an allo tail I don't think it would hurt it. if it was a body shot on the other hand that makes sense. Just my two cents
true haven
@dreamy basin locational damage ... has been planned
pseudo falcon
@midnight rover If you break a Gigas leg you can always escape. Regardless rex vs giga boils down to whoever hits first in a face tank. I know what you're saying with how much bleed they dish out, but 2v2 gigas vs rexs rexs should win.
All that to say it's not as unbalanced as you think.
midnight rover
@pseudo falcon a giga can face tank a rex and win everytime
with gigas bite force and the bleed is op
pseudo falcon
Test it again, if a rex gets the first bite it wins.
midnight rover
and wont win
pseudo falcon
And vice versa
midnight rover
do u know what face tanking is
pseudo falcon
Both mashing attack at the same time and hitting each other
midnight rover
yeah giga will win
pseudo falcon
You're right about gigas being better in a survival setting though.
midnight rover
giga hits faster
all i want is if something gets in the rexs face it should get fucked up
pseudo falcon
Agreed
Except for if its a trike lol
Herbi advocate here lol
And idk about you, but I don't think bite strength matters with a meter long horn in your chest lol
inland narwhal
@hazy sparrow i start to See alt-look in more and more Games and thought it might be ok
hazy sparrow
Ay, even if it were something like, Alt-Look while moving, Alt-Turn while stationary
pseudo falcon
@valid flower try what the trike did in the opposite order, try and do the stomp at the end instead of at the beginning
I theories it could make the results differ a smidge
lime olive
@valid flower The trike is not built for facetanking. Why do you think it has such a good walk turn? It's literally supposed to assride the attackers. Stomp is for when they stop.
odd idol
@dreamy basin If you wish to discuss suggestions, you can do so here.
violet magnet
the trike, which has three meter long horns protruding from its face and weighs almost double what the rex weighs at full adult, is...not built for facetanking?
hwat?
inb4 "hURrDuRr REALisM"
pure copper
Trike is 2x the weight of rex in game ?
shut gale
no. trike is about 8200 +/- and rex is 5800
hazy sparrow
Maybe attack trike from front = take damage from horns, passively?
maiden tartan
Why make it so complicated? Raise damage slighty as to not encourage facetanking. Keep turn nerfed
maiden tartan
I like the idea that trikes should "herd" for protection. But atm rexes and gigas can also "herd" and out stat trikes 1v1. If a passive herd buff where to be implemented though
lime olive
@violet magnet Talking about in game mate, dont care about real life stuff.
Off of the in game stats, Trike is not built for facetanking the rex and giga.
it has bleed and turn for a reason
You have a trike on your ass, its your fault. You will most likely die with it there, The amount of bleed it does and if it chases you it will leave you severely injured after any battle with it.
If a trike face tanks a rex in this game. Well. Good their Trike is dead then.
maiden tartan
It doesnt facetank anything. It gets facetanked. Its too slow to ass ride anyway. And gl assriding with a broken leg
Try ass riding a giga with 100 bleed, a way worse turn radius and 26km/h
lime olive
If you get 100 bleed from 1 bite, sure I guess. But you dont.
as it runs in, turn and start running with it. It'll have atleast 50+ bleed and Alot of damage by the time it outruns you. And Same with a rex.
I've easily killed rex packs of 3 as a solo trike. You just dont exactly have the damage or health to facetank them. So.. You adapt, and that means, no facetanking.
restive mesa
lol
"ive easily killed rex packs of 3 as a solo trike"
Vids or it didnt happen
maiden tartan
Aa of this patch a giga and rex does not need to avoid your attacks so won't run through you. They'll stop on you and keep biting. If you move through them (with 100 bleed from giga (only three bites) or broken leg from rex they will also move away and turn around (or alt turn))
Go test it yourself with a few 1v1 and see the results. (I am speaking in regards to the latest patch)
restive mesa
Doesnt matter. this guy did not take down 3 rexes as a solo trike.
Probs a rex player that cant use skill to take down prey and wants to continue being grossly overpowered.
lime olive
@restive mesa Sure
maiden tartan
Well his OP ness with trikes is not ehat is being discussed
lime olive
You come in here with facts? Or Come to stir shit?
restive mesa
World champ
lime olive
@maiden tartan See, When they stop though, most players stomp. Which I understand why everyone wants it to be buffed, but. Trike Is only meant to stomp for direct hits to small things, Stomping a big boy isn't gonna help you much. If you get on his ass and then start doing the damage, Not much can get out of that without being hurt bad.
Stomp is aimed for downwards attacks, It's not really meant for standing in a rex face while being bitten.
Hence the delay on it.
restive mesa
It is part of the discussion though. He is using it as evidence to try to prove that the trike doesnt need a buff. When it actually isnt possible for a trike to take down 2.. let alone 3 rexes unless they arent fighting back or, one rex is also attacking the other two.
restive mesa
Yea I agree
violet magnet
lol there it was
"realism is iRrELevEnT"
restive mesa
The trike needs a buff
maiden tartan
Realism is only relevant so far as the game doesn't suffer because of it
lime olive
Only for the stomp yes
maiden tartan
So what do you suggest it be buffed to?
restive mesa
If you scroll up through the suggestions it is like the number 1 upvoted/ thumbs up suggestion all over
no, not just the stomp
violet magnet
re: facetanking, i was on trike yesterday and a sucho ran right into my face
dumb succ
restive mesa
the stomp is stupid in my opinion
maiden tartan
The stomp isnt stupid. It plays to the "strong from the front" thing
violet magnet
if not more damage in its attacks then buff weight so it can absorb a few hits from a rex or giga
maiden tartan
Which is a good niche
lime olive
More damage. I dont know the stats, But, It's very weak considering if you just run circles around creatures (even apexes) the headbutt kills the most.
The stomp is just too delayed for how much damage it does. If it was a definite 2 shot kill to something then it would be useful to keep stamina for its use
restive mesa
buffalo, rhino, elephant, longhorns.. anything close to the ground like that doesnt stomp
elephant maybe
violet magnet
or buff the headbutt BY A LOT so as to discourage facetanking
maiden tartan
Its not a realism game
lime olive
Why do you compare a trike with creatures from today?
They are not similar in bone structures really.
restive mesa
youre right. but, the headswipe should be where the damage gets buffed
maiden tartan
I dont care where it gets buffed, as long as you can actually win a 1v1 facetank
Or with skill
restive mesa
because they are close to the ground. an 8 to 12 ton animal with short legs isnt going to stomp. but, thats not the point. the swipe needs more power
maiden tartan
If it cant win a facetank it should be able to escape (like giga)
restive mesa
Predators should always have to use more skill than herbivores.
Thats what makes it fun
agreed. either faster or more powerful
it cant be both weaker and slower
violet magnet
and give trike trotting stam regen
maiden tartan
Honestly trike isnt far from the perfect balance. Its slow and heavy with shit stam. A small damage biff would fix most issues
violet magnet
rex can sprint fast for 30 seconds and then has to sit, trike could waddle away in that time
restive mesa
Yea, I think it should be slower but, it should def be the winning contender for most 1v1's
2 rexes vs 1 trike should be the battle of the ages
right now its just a free meal
maiden tartan
A 2v1 fight should be in the 2's team favour
dull kayak
Honestly just buff the stomp, meaning it relies on the stomp to defend, and so if rex breaks it's leg before it gets a stomp off it's over which is fine
Right now the stomp isn't at all viable, it's cooldown is so long you do more dmg by headbutting 3/4 times per stomp
carmine goblet
An interesting idea put forward was too buff the headbutt dmg as it is quite low atm, but also to decrease the amount of dmg that the trike takes when facing something head on. Therefore playing the trike a certain way will benefit you and also means predators won't be able to just run in and face tank a trike and instead have to ambush it from the sides or behind.
void coral
@carmine goblet to do that alt turn would need to disappear
But yeah great idea
Same with eventual stego
carmine goblet
Yeh, I think it would be a great addition
civic sky
the stomp is ridiculous imo, it'd be far better to simply remove it and up the gore while also reducing the speed of the gore so we don't get the same issue with giga. Then when the charge mechanic is in that'll replace what used to be the stomp.
this coupled with locational damage will make trike quite the force to be reckoned with almost forcing apexes to ambush it which, imo, would be the best balance between trike and said apexes.
carmine goblet
Tbh I don't think the stomp is needed, the trike in reality had much better use of its head, it was well armed and armoured, allowing it to face off the strongest of predators such as the t-rex. Therefore the trike was the one herbivore the t-rex would always choose not to hunt if it had the choice, and it should be that way in game.
barren zephyr
@sudden light the wiki is out of date
really out of date
and carno has more than 15 bleed iirc
reef nova
@brazen wolf i dnt think u know what face tanking is
it litterally takes 7 bites for a giga to kill a rex
and 10 for rex to kill giga
with just face tank
me and a friend tested it multiple times
pulsar lake
6 for rex
supple wing
@reef nova it takes 6 bites from a rex to kill a giga and 7 for the giga to kill a rec
reef nova
they must have changed somthing then in the last week
cause we counted it out
multiple times
supple wing
reef nova
and did fights 1v1
reef nova
multiple times
then ran combat scenarios
only time he beat me was if he broke my leg first hit then bled me out
supple wing
Yeah the giga is the most powerfull apex at the moment
reef nova
otherwise i won 90% of the fights we had
u also only need to bit a anky trike steggo 3 times and ull kill them through bleed
u just avoid em after 3 hits or if they run u keep up the chase and dnt let em sit
supple wing
The giga needs 1 bite to apply the maximum bleed of 30/3s to a rex
reef nova
and they go down
umbral prairie
If giga got a nerf every giga player would scream to nerf rex speed. I personally like rex having shit stam but being fast, before it just lived off of ai
reef nova
all im saying is giga should not kill rex straight up
umbral prairie
rex wasn't scary before because you could run away with ease
supple wing
Yeah thats right
supple wing
The giga is to powerful right now but the community was complaining about it for 1 week now lets wait for the next update and see the changes
umbral prairie
yeah I would also like giga having a slower bite and maybe a bit less raw damage so it relies on bleed more
reef nova
yea
supple wing
No sense in complaining about it over abd over again.
umbral prairie
It should have more of a chance against rex than a couple of months ago but it's stupid how easily it kills rex atm
reef nova
im sure the dondi and co are aware of this they stated that the giga was undergoin stat changes over the coming weeks
supple wing
If a giga facec a rex in a 1v1 and both players are of the same amount of skill and expierence the giga will always win
reef nova
and who knows whats in store for the last feb patch he mentioned oin one of his streams
i would love to see where they are gona slot the spino in
brazen wolf
giga will not win yorix
rex will break it's leg
so there is no skill to be applied
umbral prairie
I hope that it won't be able to actively hunt the other apexes but will defend itself pretty good
brazen wolf
it's no competation
umbral prairie
raptor giga wins in a facetank
brazen wolf
noooo
barren zephyr
giga can get quite a few bites in before rex has a chance
brazen wolf
why cant you understand rex have 1200 bite fore
umbral prairie
do you even know what a facetank is
reef nova
u clearly ddnt see the GIF
barren zephyr
prolly around
umbral prairie
look at the gif above
brazen wolf
it will break its leg
barren zephyr
enough
umbral prairie
it doesn't matter in a facetank
reef nova
leg break doesnt garuntee victory
brazen wolf
it does
reef nova
u still have to go in melee range to hit
brazen wolf
unlss you know how to fight
reef nova
which means u to will get hit
brazen wolf
nooo
reef nova
we are talking face tanking
umbral prairie
a facetank is when both stand inside each other and spam attack, so bb doesn't change anything
brazen wolf
if leg breaks a raptor could kill gaga or rex with ease
umbral prairie
not in a facetank
reef nova
YAWN!!!
brazen wolf
stop acting like a cry baby rex fanboys
reef nova
talking to a wall lol
umbral prairie
you don't know because you think leg break matters in a facetank
reef nova
im giga main lol
brazen wolf
get over it you need competition. not just killing everything you see
reef nova
and im saying its much to powerful
brazen wolf
giga is the second king
reef nova
havent lost to a single rex since patch
brazen wolf
nooo its not compared to rex
reef nova
only thing that kills me is hunger and other gigas
umbral prairie
Why do you need to get rude now, I agree on rex having competition but giga should not win a facetank, which it does
brazen wolf
giga is no competation for Rex even now
umbral prairie
it is
brazen wolf
where is the menovering
barren zephyr
w h a t
brazen wolf
dino need to moove wihile fighting
barren zephyr
giga will get 7 bites in before hte rex can get behind with a
umbral prairie
that is a facetank, there is no manouvering
reef nova
that is facetanking
barren zephyr
bonebreak
umbral prairie
but that is a facetank
barren zephyr
it looks like
brazen wolf
move
brazen wolf
then rex eat giga ass
umbral prairie
i don't want to discuss about such a little detail but you talked about giga losing a facetank which it clearly does not
as you can see by looking at the gif for 3 secandas
brazen wolf
dino dont always face tank
ony once
then they run move
crawl to fight
so if the bone break it's over
reef nova
well i guess ive faced really bad rexes then
brazen wolf
So giga is no competation against rex
reef nova
BB or no i still killed em
brazen wolf
its faster
stronger
has bone break
only reason you complaining is because you have competation
and 2 giga could kill you
umbral prairie
that is not the reason
brazen wolf
Rex are cry babies
umbral prairie
I'm not a rex main
reef nova
ur just ignoring what everyone is saying
supple wing
Rator
brazen wolf
Give gia some love man
reef nova
IM A GIGA MAIN
supple wing
Your trolling us ?
reef nova
havent lost to a rex since patch
supple wing
I think hes just trolling dude
reef nova
ikr
brazen wolf
well i read it
supple wing
It felt like more advantage then less
brazen wolf
and you dont make any sense
supple wing
Cause your radius is way smaller
And you can just bite over and over again
No worries in running
umbral prairie
It feels like talking to a flat earther right now, so I will stop
reef nova
hahahahaha
supple wing
At the point uncoe said rex makes 1200 dmg which he clearly doesnt
reef nova
yea i think theres a bug with rex bite force
brittle ivy
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reef nova
cause it def isnt doin 1200 dmg
umbral prairie
it's not doing the full 1200 to giga because giga has higher weight
reef nova
because if it was in that vid that giga would have died in 5 bites
OOOHHH
ddnt know that there was dmg mitigation
i thought weight was ur food taht ur corpse gave
gues that doesnt make sense because dilo gives way to much food lol
umbral prairie
the food values are pretty weird at the moment
umbral prairie
Idk if it still is that way but trikes used to give less food than some juveniles
supple wing
X * (rex weight/ target wight) = dmg
reef nova
full grown rexes dnt give much food either
actually dilos give more than rex and giga
havent killed a spino
so dnt know their food value
umbral prairie
I only knew many things gave low food, didn't know dilo gave so much, I will specialise in hunting dilos now
supple wing
We changed the topic ? Im confused
umbral prairie
topic changed from fighting to food values because astaroth thought weight was the food value your body has
Also I think this isn't a suggestion discussion anymore
reef nova
also ddnt wana get stuck in a goin nowhere argument with raptor
supple wing
Yeah true
brazen wolf
Argument is simple Nerf Rex speed
Then You could nerf giga bite
or increase giga speed then rex
or Remove Rex Bone break
umbral prairie
argument is simple, and a bit dumb, because the point of rex in this game is to be fast to catch things but it has to get close to them first because of its stam
unborn quail
^
unborn quail
It has 30 seconds of stamina
If a rex catches you, it's your fault for not paying attention
brazen wolf
30 you can run long distance
leaden night
Not really
brazen wolf
the chase always happens in close proxmity
umbral prairie
with 30 seconds you can catch up to standing things fast but if they also run it can get difficult even if youre faster
unborn quail
^
It takes time to catch up with things, even if you're a similar speed
Especially at a distance
umbral prairie
slower, but way more stam, so way more time to catch up to things
umbral prairie
yeah 34 speed giga
unborn quail
Rip the mid tiers even more
umbral prairie
what a good idea
brazen wolf
the main problem is giga facing rex
unborn quail
Youd have to nerf giga stamina a hell of a lot to do that
unborn quail
How about leave it as is because giga is supposed to be a tracker. Bites and tracks.
brazen wolf
so it could run away
unborn quail
Rex is supposed to be the short burst ambush predator
The whole point of these changes were to differentiate the two apexes we have
umbral prairie
they fill their intended niches pretty nicely, except many people, not only rex players, think giga needs a slight nerf
brazen wolf
rex is stronger so giga should be able to flee
brazen wolf
no it cant nova
umbral prairie
because that is how rex is supposed to hunt
brazen wolf
stamina does not help if rex bit you ass and break your bone
unborn quail
Your fault for letting it get that close
brazen wolf
it's base speed is faster then giga
so rex base speed is pretty high
if rex finds giga then it's doomed
rex could even catch sub giga
umbral prairie
if rex is further away it cannot catch giga because if giga also runs the rex cannot catch up fast enough because if it's low stam
now please stop repeating yourself
umbral prairie
no.
brazen wolf
ya they could
umbral prairie
ok you're trolling, I'm leaving now
brazen wolf
if it's close encounter giga have no option but to fight
and die
not one km but pretty far. any dino could run away from that far
umbral prairie
Astaroth I don't think we need the old roars back but it would be cool if the new 1 and 3 call would have a little growl in them so it doesn't sound as screechy
supple wing
If you loose against a rex with a giga xou should consider blaming yourself and your playstyle not the rex ! The giga is better on all levels
umbral prairie
except speed and damage, but it counters them out with other stats
supple wing
Damage is higher fron the giga
Speed is the thing but you said it pretty good with the trott speed
But why should a giga run from a rex in the first place
If you count the dmg for one bite the rex deals more dmg
But if you watch for the dps the gigs does more
Sorry for my bad english. Im german
umbral prairie
that's what I meant with countering them out with other stats( in this case bite speed) so raptor couldn't write 'no rex has better damage'
brazen wolf
what bite speed .
there is no stat in working when you leg beaks
it's over cant you understand
giga bleed is of no use
brazen wolf
if rex is faster
supple wing
1200 dmg for rex
And 850 for giga
Right
So the rex bites 1 time in 2 sek
And the giga bites 2 times in 2 sek
supple wing
When your leg is broke
brazen wolf
rex could eat his ass
supple wing
And the rex has a way bigger radius to get behind you and eat your ass like you said
brazen wolf
yes easily
supple wing
Ofc you can
brazen wolf
it's easy for rex to get behind
brisk mesa
🍿
supple wing
Even better
brazen wolf
try it bro
supple wing
If rex gets behind you while bonebreak you just failed
brazen wolf
it wont work
supple wing
Is there a way to put someone on mute on discord ?
dull kayak
Giga can face tank a rex so rex needs to be abke to get behind and thats w6bere bone break comes in. Balanced.
brisk mesa
You can block
brisk mesa
No because you are wrong lol.
supple wing
You are death wrong
brisk mesa
No you just are wrong about Giga needing sprint speed advantage over Trex.
brazen wolf
and make giga faster so it could run awya
brisk mesa
Giga trots like 3x faster and has twice the stamina
dull kayak
It doesnt need to
brisk mesa
Trex is hunted by Giga
Legit.
Giga has the upper hand.
He doesnt NEED to run away
brazen wolf
no he does
dull kayak
Ive seen more gigas hunt rexes
brisk mesa
He sees a Trex and brings out the fucking belt
supple wing
Guys
brazen wolf
remove rex bone break
supple wing
Like samuel said
brazen wolf
then it should be balanced
supple wing
Like talking to a flat earther
dull kayak
😂
dull kayak
This is - imo - the most balanced apexes have been
supple wing
What is the first thing you do raptor
brazen wolf
be back need to get my dino some drink
worthy compass
sorry didnt mean to do that
last remnant
@smoky lintel What don't you like about the suggestion?
Your suggestion actually would go well with mine. If you decreased the amount of time it takes to grow a herbivore, but you are more hungry. I feel like that would be a good trade off. The issue with just decreasing the growth times is that herbivores were using that to then kill carnivores back when progression was a thing.
umbral prairie
I would not make it so their stomachs empty fast, I would make it so they last long without eating but they also need very much food to fill it up again, so they don't want it to get empty because they would need to walk around everywhere trying to find food to refill their stomachs. this way, they wander a bit to fill up a bit (taking some time because they need a lot of leaves) and then they can lay down for a bit again
last remnant
That might work too
umbral prairie
It would be very annoying to be on low hunger constantly, this way you can chill for a while, but in turn to be on full hunger again you have to migrate a bit
last remnant
I see what you mean.
I just find that Herbivores aren't moving too much to find food.
This is a huge problem imo as the map seems barren sometimes. Also, Carnivores are able to easily find Herbivore in specific places because they know that herbivores always go there.
It's just too predictable.
umbral prairie
the way bushes spawn needs to be altered a bit so you don't have big areas with no food at all and some with 30 bushes in scent range
last remnant
True
umbral prairie
plus, as you said, increasing the time plants need to spawn would further prevent herds hanging around one area too much
last remnant
Right, the idea of being a herbivore and travelling a lot I think would be a great experience.
umbral prairie
although it would make nesting pretty hard, and making food spawn around nests frequently would result in everyone making nests so they have food again
last remnant
True
umbral prairie
maybe make herbi nesting different? so they incubate four eggs at the same time, have some food spawn around the nest to compensate for the parents food they put in the nest, and once the babies are juvenile they have to move again
last remnant
Yeah
Maybe there is a cool down after you nest in 4 babies.
That way you can't exploit it either.
Like, an hour or so.
umbral prairie
ok my method also makes no sense because another member can just nest as soon as your babies are juvies unless the food it spawns is very little (I would also make the amount of food the babies need very little)
maybe once different species need different bushes it will get better too
so the herds cannot spawn food for each other that easily
brisk mesa
Nah if you want to make herbivores migrate, you just do it like this:
- Make the different sized bushes handled like gore piles; a Trike can only eat large bushes, for example
- Make bushes spawn away from herbivores, and the range they spawn at increases with each additional herbivore.
That would make herds need to migrate more, not just for food demands, but because bushes would start spawning further and further away, and thus make it harder to keep searching for food.
A trike would not tolerate small tier herbs simply bc the small tiers would eat from ANY bushes, including large, while also forcing the Trikes to travel further in search of food
umbral prairie
I would replace the different sized bushes with different plant species for different dinosaurs (so hadros eat sth different than ceratopsians)because I think trike should be allowed to tolerate other species for a short while (but it's affinity lowers if it is around certain species for too long, preventing mass mixpacking), I agree on the second point
brisk mesa
Nah, this is an elegantly simple solution.
Trike & Para & Diablo would eat large bushes
So they wouldnt want to be in mixed herds with those
But due to lower food demands of Para & Diablo, well, they can afford to mix with smaller species
Trike adult needs every large bush it can get
Also!
Affinity wont affect herbivore / herbivore interactions
All official server rules exist to offset things that wont be problems when features come in to fix them
So no affinity nerf will happen to a Trike hanging out with Paras
umbral prairie
yeah, I thought of it being weird logic that you can't eat small bushes as something big but it is the same with corpses so that argument is dumb
umbral prairie
I hope giant herb herds will lower your affinity, so you don't have five trikes ten paras and a thousand small herbs that get protected by them. Will be harder to do if they change the way the herbs need food anyway tho
south flower
Wait has Giga gotten a buff? I thought Gigas were weak af against rexes?
umbral prairie
they were
but now they win in a facetank
many people want a giga bite speed and bite damage nerf
and many giga players complain about people wanting a giga nerf
south flower
That’s interesting, I may test out the Giga myself - I’ve never played it myself. I just know I fought a Giga once as a Rex, and I wrecked him.
umbral prairie
If you play on officials every lake is guarded by a sub or an adult giga, it's really not fun
south flower
Oof
echo bridge
That dmg is way too high due to trike being 8.3 tons. It would do 715 dmg to a rex per gore, killing it in 8-9 hits
viral creek
@pseudo falcon
A trike buff is nice, but I think you're giving it a bit too much.
I agree with a very high health or damage buff. But not the stamina buff/regen buff.
In fact, I think trike should have a stamina nerf on par with rex's stamina, so that it is a strong fighter, but can't willy nilly run apexes down.
brisk mesa
Ok... but Trex can break the Trike
pseudo falcon
Oof
echo bridge
Rex still does a little bit more, but think what that will do to a nerfed giga
leaden night
I mean
viral creek
I don't agree with that
leaden night
Depends on how much is regened
leaden night
Triceratops regening stam wouldn't suddenly make it chase everything down
brisk mesa
Dont need super slow trot regen
pseudo falcon
Yeah, it's not half bad, but resting leave you so volnerable
viral creek
Consider that rex only has 30 sec of stam and can't regen. Rex players will lose their shit again, because of a trike trotting them down.
That's my only worry. The rest is good
brisk mesa
when you would be buffed to be the strongest fucko around
pseudo falcon
if you could do the Tony Hawk style animation cancel sit up, MAYBE I would be ok with resting lol
brisk mesa
Yeah Gulpy has a point
pseudo falcon
did you guys see that bug with para lol
leaden night
@viral creek Just break them and leave
brisk mesa
If you want a supported suggetion:
pseudo falcon
that's true
viral creek
True
viral creek
Just a worry though
brisk mesa
Rest is 👌
pseudo falcon
but I've taken as many as 6 bites without having my leg broken
viral creek
Stamina nerf is a good idea
echo bridge
I've noticed that too
brisk mesa
Nerfing turn would be a bit silly IMO
viral creek
Even if rex can break it's leg
brisk mesa
He's very compact
brisk mesa
And yes Gulpy gets it: if he cant break leg the Trike wont run him down
pseudo falcon
I mean, I just feel like you should encourage team play with trikes
brisk mesa
trike isnt a herder my guy
pseudo falcon
they should be like Buffalo and go back to back to defend themselves
brisk mesa
A good herd animal needs to have lenient food needs
and fast growth
Trike is neither.
pseudo falcon
how can you be sure it wasn't a herder though?
brisk mesa
Not saying that, talking about ingame balance.
pseudo falcon
Oh
viral creek
We don't know. But I don't see him as a herder
brisk mesa
Successful pack dinos are ones with low food needs and short-medium growth
pseudo falcon
but tbf its really hard to grow a trike if you don't group up with a herd
or hide in a bush
viral creek
Especially with the amount of food he eats
brisk mesa
^^^^^
leaden night
Carnotaurus
pseudo falcon
I mean, if you saw the skeleton of a Buffalo would you think it was a herder
or how about an elephant
its kinda hard to say if you ask me
viral creek
I mean ingame
viral creek
Trike eats tons, ingame
brisk mesa
Few ever reach adult, and it has immense food needs
pseudo falcon
but if you're not playing in a group as a trike you're puting yourself at a disadvantage
I don't really follow
why is playing trike alone so relevant
brisk mesa
Same can be said for literally every dino
LITERALLY every dinosaur is better off in a group.
But difference is
they arent balanced around that
A Trex is balanced with 1v1s in mind
why should Trike be balanced with a 2v1 or 3v1 in mind????
Stupid notion
pseudo falcon
how so?
I'm not seeing the stupid side of team play lol
in a multiplayer game why play alone?
brisk mesa
If a creature takes 6 hours to grow
It needs to be good on its own.
If not nobody plays it
And thus no herd exists
pseudo falcon
ok now I see your point
brisk mesa
Yeah.
pseudo falcon
I just don't mind the long growth
viral creek
Trikes can herd if they want, but the shouldn't be balanced around herding. They should be balanced on fighting alone.
brisk mesa
Trike needs to keep current turn, and then you just nerf stamina instead of buffing it
Your other changes would go well with that.
trike being stronger would be OK if he cant run down Trexes
viral creek
Every animal should be balanced on being able to be viable on it's own
pseudo falcon
I do think a animation cooldown reduction for the stomp could help a lot
brisk mesa
Suggestions for stat proposals
viral creek
Pick your poison
brisk mesa
feedback also works
pseudo falcon
lol
pseudo falcon
right.
Ok so basically what it boils down to is trike needs to be on par with Gigas and Rexs
and it isn't right now
viral creek
Yes
brisk mesa
Correct
pseudo falcon
and the way to fix that is with a buff to Ns right?
viral creek
Major buff to it's overall power, but nerf to it's stamina. So it can mess up an apex, IF it tries to mess with them. But not run them down.
pseudo falcon
I'm thinking it may possibly be as simple as making the stomp more useful to make it more on par
viral creek
A true defensive herbivore
brisk mesa
all your changes except remove the turn change, and add a stamina nerf instead
pseudo falcon
fair enough
brisk mesa
*and remove trot regen
pseudo falcon
I'll edit the suggestion
viral creek
👁 👄 👁 👍
viral creek
Ye
pseudo falcon
yeah...
shut gale
@pseudo falcon buffing its right click will make it the op prog trike. Only thing it needs its a stomp buff
viral creek
If we get these changes, trike will be more balanced than ever before.
The truly defensive herbivore
pseudo falcon
I think gore is fine as is
shut gale
make it so preds fear it... and actually have to play around it
brisk mesa
Aight, so remove the buff to right click
brisk mesa
My proposed buff to 500 was with the mindset of removing stomp entirely :P
random knoll
should probs put that youve changed it 😛
pseudo falcon
wym?
random knoll
as in so people know youve cahnge dit
pseudo falcon
Oh lol
brisk mesa
^^^
random knoll
XD
shut gale
rn you're nerfing the trike man xD
pseudo falcon
Oof
shut gale
remember you might only be able to stomp once vs a rex
pseudo falcon
lmao
shut gale
so you even if its stow
pseudo falcon
done
shut gale
it better hurt..
pseudo falcon
reduce the time it takes to get out of a stomp animation
random knoll
there ay go XD
shut gale
lmao
shut gale
yeah... thats not gonna do it 😂
viral creek
I kind wanna rework my older suggestion. Is there anything that isn't in this suggestion that you think I should add?
pseudo falcon
if a stomp is just about as fast as a gore but takes stam that would be heckin' good
shut gale
cooldown of what? the stomp ?
pseudo falcon
yeah
random knoll
the stomp amni
pseudo falcon
hold on Gulpy
random knoll
it takes a while to do
shut gale
ok hear me out mynz.
in a fight vs 1 rex
you might only stomp 1 due to bb
so even if its fast
and you can do it alot with less damage
its not as good as 1 big ass stomp
cause there's a chance you won't be able to use the faster stomp. because you might get bb on the 1st bite
pseudo falcon
I think if our ideas start having parallels int he suggestions it'll increase odds of being heard lol
so you should change the trike suggestion to be more similar to the one we just discussed @viral creek
viral creek
Willco
shut gale
if you change the 800 stomp to 1100
you will do 1500 damage to an apex
due to weight difference
2 stomps = 50% of their hp
so you will def be afraid of the stomp...
pseudo falcon
that seems a little much though don't you think 
random knoll
depedsn
random knoll
well trike dosent have bb so it cant just stop you
pseudo falcon
yeah, I suppose
shut gale
if you fuck up. you get hurt..
pseudo falcon
but than gigas would just die
shut gale
skill fight...
random knoll
how much HP giga got?
pseudo falcon
they're so big unless they play really well they'll get hit
pseudo falcon
I mean sure, but that will make everyone fear the trike to much
and tbh that's not what I'd personally want
random knoll
50% is a lil much
pseudo falcon
I want people to still want to fight me
shut gale
its a stomp thats hard to land
pseudo falcon
hmmm
random knoll
you want them to kill eachother in around the same hits
shut gale
hexa. i want people to have to actually be skilled when fighting
not just run into eachother biting
pseudo falcon
@viral creek Yeah I want momentum so bad in this game. That way you could really put a risk reward on sprinting as a trike or pachy in combat
shut gale
and if 1100 is too much and it can always be tunned down after
viral creek
Yes ikrrrrrr
pseudo falcon
Carno kinda already has momentum
viral creek
I want molmemtum for all
Unless like
A specific creature doesn't have molmentum, as a gimmick
pseudo falcon
I just feel if you give it that much Ns with the already suggested cooldown change
you get a huge issue
where trikes can just kill the rex if its unlucky
shut gale
ok yeah
random knoll
killing an apex in 4 hits ehh
shut gale
no need for the cooldown with that change..
at all
@random knoll 4 stomps*
and again they're easy to dodge..
if you dodge them you win.
pseudo falcon
personally though, I'd prefer it to be a little more forgiving
it feels poopy to get called out and they just bite you 3 times
shut gale
again it can be nerfed after..
pseudo falcon
even if it was at 1100 that would be 3 giga bites
shut gale
its no biggy...
pseudo falcon
which is the equivalent of 3x 850
pseudo falcon
@viral creek yeah as a gimic I can see it being cool
currently in water suchos have too much momentum lol
feel like they should have more control but the same amount of speed
thorny lynx
I lowkey wish damage was scaled down a bit... killing an apex in 6 bites is just a huge downer.
pseudo falcon
I would agree if that didn't mean that the trike I spent the same amount of time on died
everyone is on equilavent footing to the time it takes them to be fully grown
shut gale
remember it used to take both the giga and trike 6h
and yet one was a slower power house and the other was a power house aswell but much faster.
making them stronger in different aspects isn't a bad thing....
shut gale
oof... long time ago man 😂
compact matrix
D would be an example of what a resting animation of a sauropod like camara could look like.
In the post I posted in Suggestions
pure copper
Or this
We lack plentiful depictions of sauropods testing on the ground
Because for some reason people have ingrained in their minds that they can’t 
compact matrix
I can understand why people aren't big fans of them resting in that way
It would take a really long time to realistically animate them sitting in that fashion due to their anatomy
Imagine a get-up or sit-down animation over 3-5 seconds long?
pure copper
Imagine a leg break heal timer that’s 20 minutes 
compact matrix
There's 2 main ways elephants can rest
The sleeping position above
Idle/relaxing position below
warm ridge
Yeah
compact matrix
hazy sparrow
elephants dont have long necks to bother them while sleeping either
violet magnet
@pale anchor "also, maybe the option to make dinos as albino, and have a specific look, for added challenge and glory"
...ya mean, like...a skin customizer?
👀
compact matrix
The legs of a sauropod position like an elephant, the neck like an ostrich or emu or llama
violet magnet
@north vector the reason people sit in a bush to grow as juvies is because that's when you're slowest and weakest and if you're caught out in plain view you're dead
pure copper
And their sleep cycles are weird
pure copper
Well it depends on how large you upscaled the adult and the size of the juvi in relation to it
Puertasaurus juvi looked like this
violet magnet
i could see the size camara is now being...fresh sub adult, maybe
or full juvie...?
pure copper
So if we hypothetically made the adult Camarasaurus this big where would the juvi Stand height wise ?
north vector
You can obviously still hide but being more active/eating more gives you a reward
An incentive to take minor risks
You can technically still hide inside the bush you are eating
compact matrix
In game camara is about 12 meters iirc?
north vector
But just sitting around wont do you any good
compact matrix
or is he 8
compact matrix
Off my suggestion would be late sub-adult
pure copper
violet magnet
going off the size of the pue juvie, full camara juvie could be...somewhere around this size
pure copper
I could’ve been doing skeletal comparisons this whole time
compact matrix
fresh spawn- 1.8
pure copper
Show me this magic
violet magnet
just magic-wand select the white space around the skeletal and any extra stuff (the text and the human silhouette/1, box) with the lasso tool and box select and delete it
compact matrix
maxed adult = 18 m
north vector
That’s probably only slightly oversized
pure copper
Estimates for supremus hop around a bit , if the descriptions were correct for its old game size it was some 23 meters long and 22 tons?
Scratch that 25 tons
So a bit oversized-ish
crystal turret
In land before time, little foot was tiny. That's all the source material we need!
pure copper
@compact matrix
It’s also probably worth mentioning in regards to resting that elephants do a variety of positions in between to the two displayed up there. They don’t really stay in the “Butt down” sit pose for too long when they’re trying to rest
Looking at the Camaras animation from pk the time span from rest to full stand is about 4.4 seconds, it’s fairly short
(Though idk if said animation will be different with the model update for the animal)
So I guess for convenience it could either just be a resting on their stomach-ish position in game or the slightly slouching yo their side pose with a moderately paced standing animation time
broken bear
@fluid lantern well it also introduces more problems. There are discord gangs that could retaliate said person from server to server
severe walrus
there's a model update for cama?
fluid lantern
@broken bear Mh, yeah, was just suggestion tho
broken bear
np, just wanted to throw that in there. I'm sure more admins in time though
@barren zephyr they are reworking the old code to correct the issue. hopefully next patch
glass horizon
hazy sparrow
I'm pretty sure they are working on a first person perspective. There is a button in the keybinds menu for it. Be patient. @reef nova
uncut zenith
@brazen wolf Giga CAN face tank a rex. It'll have it's leg broken but it'll survive the fight and kill the rex. Rex needs a buff, or giga needs a nerf. Giga should be faster, but weaker.
waxen elk
Jaffad i have a feeling you really like Baryonyx
blazing charm
Very much so.
blazing charm
Go on?
waxen elk
Austro could be specialized in small lakes and ponds
Sucho in swamps
Spino in big lakes
And Baryonyx could act as a bear, hunting fish in rivers
Austro dives for food, Sucho can swim arround but not exactly dive
Spino can do whatever it wants seeing how it could be the fisher apex
And Bary is a poor swimmer, but could catch fish in rivers
As for dealing with other carnivores
Equal with Carnotaurus in strenght, should avoid Cerato and Allo
Sucho is twice the size so yeah
unborn quail
To be fair Suchomimus kinda already occupies the 'Bear' environmental niche'
glad bear
@barren zephyr there are small ai around the map
barren zephyr
really?
glad bear
yes
barren zephyr
consumable?
glad bear
yes
barren zephyr
what???!
barren zephyr
oooh
waxen elk
barren zephyr
what are oros
barren zephyr
ok, but i mean they must be super rare then cause ive been playing 4ever haven't seen one
are there anyplans to expand upon ai, maybe adding fish, or sharks in the water biome?
unborn quail
Si
blazing charm
That doesn't really seem unique to me Zesk.
hazy sparrow
You need to listen for them.
unborn quail
In fact, It was mentioned just yesterday that the lead dev is working on trying to get more ai
waxen elk
tbh
barren zephyr
i see, i don't follow this that closely, but i guess i should
waxen elk
I really can't come up with something for Baryonyx
barren zephyr
are there anyplans for playable flying reptiles, or sea creatures?
unborn quail
Tis the issue whe you have Two planned fishers coming into the game, especially when you don't know how one of them will work
waxen elk
Trust me i love Bary
unborn quail
Makes it hard to expand on how others can fit in. But I do like what Jaffad did with this suggestion this time around
blazing charm
And when we do know what they will do, I shall gladly remake the Bary doc for a fifth time.
hazy sparrow
Fish are being explored by the devs, and flying dinos might make an appearance @barren zephyr
blazing charm
Don't you fuckin dare.
unborn quail
Spino
waxen elk
barren zephyr
excellent thx for the invo smellygoatz
waxen elk
One fisher for each tier please
hazy sparrow
Check #519931024956850187 for more 😛 @barren zephyr
waxen elk
I beg of you, let me be penguinraptoer
unborn quail
Youd have to expand that to each class then. Seeing as they're already following that trend
(Two off each class per tier that operate in two seperate niches/abilities)
Which is why the possibility of Alberto seems quite plausible in the future. Although i'd rather we not do a small crusher because fuck having more crushers
waxen elk
hazy sparrow
Deinosuchos would also fill a fisher role, when not hunting large prey
unborn quail
As a juvenile Sure
It most likely will not be able to sustain itself on fish once reaching adult and further on
Everything about the lad screams dinosaur hunter
waxen elk
Apex killer
hazy sparrow
Every bit of food helps when your starving 😄 i do agree though
ripe hull
does anyone know how accurate danger music is?
reef nova
@barren zephyr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BusLYRTY_0
keep ur ears out for those sounds
@white falcon id love to see shant anky and steg to survival
white falcon
I added an extra thingy to my thing
But yeah I really want ankies for survival. One of my favorite dinosaurs.
pseudo falcon
I hear Stegos are next
But they're a good month away
Really depends on whether or not what The Crocodylomorph is true.
reef nova
yea i think its steggo and spino are next dinos incomming for rework
white falcon
Mega oof
@knotty wadi if a dinosaur sits down in the woods for 5 minutes, there's no point in making it disappear.
knotty wadi
There is a major issue of people sitting in bushes to get to the adult stage rather than play the game.
hazy sparrow
That's called surviving 😄
knotty wadi
No that is called being afk lmao
hazy sparrow
Lots of the dinos passively make noise when just sitting. from breathing to small chirps. They're hiding. Go find them.
pseudo falcon
Honestly though, I can see incentivizing playing more active, but there isn't much a dev can do unless they're going to start throwing muscle degradation at players who sit around too long @knotty wadi
And that sounds hectic
knotty wadi
Well that will happen with the affinity system but this is a temporary solution until that much larger one is implemented.
pseudo falcon
I mean the Affinity systeme won't just up and solve all the issues people have
Since its described as insentive with the draw backs simply being "really annoying"
And if its just something you can fix later in life I'd imagine people would ignore it unless it significantly increased the time it takes to grow
And that very well could be the incentive
Somehow I'm somewhat unconvinced it will be though...
still temple
edgy echo
@pseudo falcon well I know one mechanic they thought of for mixed packing was Itd play a ringing in your ears that got louder and louder so you couldn’t hear anything and then if u just ignored it your stam would drain and wouldn’t regen
But that was just an idea don’t know if they r gonna go through with it
edgy echo
XD ikr
pseudo falcon
Yeah anything to give it more of that creepy edgy vibe is great
Mechanics that have eary effects like that would be sweet
Just want more gore in the game tbh
When positional hitboxes are added I better start seeing cripples running around
edgy echo
I know several years ago they were working on some dismemberment stuff butt idk if it’s still a thing it was a very long time ago after all
pseudo falcon
Oof
Just gotta set a 1 hour and 45 minute timer next ask a dev and get my question as close to the bottom as possible
edgy echo
Biggest issue is how small the dev team is so it takes awhile for them to figure out if something is viable and even longer for it to be implemented
pseudo falcon
I must know if G O R E will have its daybew
However you spell daybew...
Yeah...
Hire me 😄
edgy echo
XD
pseudo falcon
Eggs dee
light oak
There should be a system that let herbivores herd easier, but the downside is that theresnt way that you can't prevent it from being exploitable
Is been a while since the last time i saw a big ass herb herd
pseudo falcon
An annoying noise that forces trikes with too large groups to kill nerby members would be fun
MAKE IT STOP, JUST MAKE THE NOISES STOOOOOP
I'd have an excuse to kill my friends 
uncut zenith
@slate phoenix yes! I agree 100% except utah should be limited to like 10
mossy horizon
For realism sure but if you want to create a good experience for players then you shouldn't limit what they can or cannot choose
imo
slate phoenix
@uncut zenith thanks!!!
mossy horizon
That is true
slate phoenix
yeah packs are huge, especially the annoying 20+ maia pack on us1
mossy horizon
Also mega packs are a thing so yeah I guess it's pretty good
light oak
@mossy horizon theres no good experience for nobody if theres a pack of 10 carnos roaming. I watched that many times.
light oak
Theres no problem with apexes, cuz if they are top many together, they usually Starve to death. But things that can keep easily on IA like carnos or utahs are a bit problem without limits
violet magnet
@knotty wadi re: getting booted after five minutes of afk
that's gonna be a big fat no from me, my dude
it takes me that long to go to the bathroom and run back to my pc
uncut zenith
ya apexes are fine limited to 5 bc they generally run into problems with hunger at that size anyway