sucho was supposed to bully allo
#general-feedback-discussion
barren zephyr
valid zephyr
doesn't really matter if it was rex or allo. both were top dinos and both got large buffs
unborn quail
Sucho got an unneeded Damage nerf that was supposedly going to get re-buffed
brazen wolf
YesItsAllMessedUpRightNow
north mulch
True^^
brazen wolf
ComparedToSizeAndSpeed
unborn quail
Honestly at this point i'd rather see sucho get a pure mass buff.
north mulch
I know rex is supposed to be OP but when I play it there’s no challenge so I get bored :/
north mulch
I grew to adult and killed my self 5 minutes after 😅
I just think having to strategize is more fun but I can see why people thinking playing easy is fun too
lone hatch
Since start of the game rex is the strongest and for example Im done with that shit
north mulch
What about para speed? Idc if it’s weak but dang it’s useles
north mulch
No
There was a buff after it’s nerf before the buff again 🙈
They gave its dmg back but gave it too much as well
Plus ppl complained they died to bleed 1v1 trike and Rex so of course the bleed system is in play I wonder who wins?
barren zephyr
last patch he was weak due to speed
north mulch
Anyone know trikes chances against rex? I’m assuming shit right
lone hatch
I think trike is without chances
north mulch
Of course lmao
valid zephyr
para speed is still how it was aka useless. It needs to be faster than rex and giga unless they ambush
north mulch
i wonder if rex players will still complain about dying tho
Yeah I feel para needs a buff
Atleast to run if it can’t defend
lone hatch
I dont know how it is now in herbs balance
nocturne skiff
@valid zephyr yes agreed with the bleed mechanic
north mulch
It’s not so much balance between herbs but I feel like it’s kinda down on priority just Bc most players think since they eat plants they should be fodder. Feels bad para. Like I said if they give a buff to any herbs I atleast hope it’s for poor para that’s the only one most can agree to
shrewd python
Para speed nerf made sense, it needs more damage
ocean vortex
It needs one or the other
it either needs good damage or good speed
at the moment it's bad at both
ocean vortex
for something of its growth time, its not on par with carnivores of the growth time too
median badger
then it can escape rex atleast survive allo bleed damage and survive
shrewd python
Its speed stam and turn make sense for its size imo
valid zephyr
Yep people need to remember herbis are playable, and need to be fun to play in their own right
ocean vortex
I really want herbivores to be less of carnivore food
median badger
thats not gonna happen
ocean vortex
the only herbivores that really feel like they aren't going to take any beating for eaten are Trike and Diablo
median badger
there food
shrewd python
Dibble is currently ran down by rex
median badger
ehhh diablo is now weak cause of the allo damage buff
median badger
allo now has 400 damage while dibble... lets not talk about that
shrewd python
Dibble def needs speed and dmg buff, as of right now its ran down by rex and face tanked by allo
ocean vortex
also I feel really bad how carnivores get buffed overtime and herbivores get nerfed slowly overtime
ocean vortex
this is game is praising predators too much
shrewd python
If only that was true about utah
median badger
utah is good he can ass ride
shrewd python
Nothin but nerfs or things to make it worse
ocean vortex
the one thing keeping Utah from terrible is its amazing mobility
void kiln
most herbis need a speed buff but the devs never give them one
shrewd python
Ass riding doesnt excist with alt, and they cant bleed stuff out anymore
void kiln
ever
median badger
utah can kill a damn allo i seen it happen
median badger
just today a allo was getting trucked by a utah it was a on a server with not alt turn
barren zephyr
Dondi hates herbs
median badger
he couldnt even hit em
valid zephyr
dibble used to be ok vs allo, now it loses easily
ocean vortex
I'm starting to think he really does actually not like herbivores
valid zephyr
and para is both slower, and much weaker than allo, yet massive so it can't even hide
ocean vortex
like he sees them as players who prefer cuddly stuff
valid zephyr
lots of players seem to hate herbis being a thing
median badger
i just like maia cause i think its sick looking
ocean vortex
Maia is a good herbivore because everything it cannot outrun, it has the bulk to defend, and everything it's weak against - it can run from
median badger
utah can easily ass ride it
median badger
wait have i seen you before plio?
shrewd python
Thats why i said with alt turn
ocean vortex
Maia is still a lot stronger than Utah
shrewd python
A toddler can assride if therws no alt
ocean vortex
(Plio looks familiar too)
valid zephyr
next patch will be herbis movement and attacks disabled, as it was too unbalanced for carnis
shrewd python
Unless its cerato
median badger
i know its just maia can kill utah easily but for new players they dont know how maia works
shrewd python
Maia is easy do dosge
ocean vortex
not to mention Maia and Utah have the same growth timers
shrewd python
Just run in a tight circle
barren zephyr
Uh I dunno I neve rseen you before
ocean vortex
imo, Maia, Dryo and Trike are decent herbivores
shrewd python
A lone utan now thag hit box are fixed that are good utah can destroy a maia
ocean vortex
Galli and Dibble have some trouble
and Pachy is struggling
as for carnivores, Cerato and Giga are having some trouble
median badger
wait yeah we share some discords
shrewd python
Pachy is already free food to every carni, and it got nerfed
median badger
i seen you chat in some other servers before
ocean vortex
It has a massive fricking RAMMING head
void kiln
cerato is fine giga is trash
barren zephyr
Oh yeah
ocean vortex
😦
ocean vortex
I hate to say this but
median badger
huh i knew i seen ya before
ocean vortex
I find it weird how Dondi and Predatoria are opposites from each other
one is buffing carnivores a lot, the other buffs herbivores a lot
barren zephyr
ying yang
ocean vortex
yin yang indeed buddy
void kiln
maybe they should merge we would have some balance for a change
ocean vortex
The Yin and the Yang never merges, pal
their existence depends on the other's opposite
valid zephyr
who is predatoria?
barren zephyr
uh
ocean vortex
developer of BoB
barren zephyr
dude
valid zephyr
ah
ocean vortex
I don't want to mention anything further than that
this Discord has a strict dislike for excessively mentioning BoB
valid zephyr
this discord has strict dislike for most things 😂
ocean vortex
yea but I heard some people got fricking banned for it
valid zephyr
oof
valid zephyr
i have before. looks meh
barren zephyr
Predatoria is better then
earnest cave
Packy, susho, para, maia, Diablo, giga they are unplyabel maia is carno food diablo, para, giga, sucho Rex snek
Packy cerato food
barren zephyr
pachy is suposed to be cerato food thought
mental sleet
no ?
umbral prairie
they did say pachy was gonna be cerato and allo food a while ago
when they were asked if utahs could solo pachys
unborn quail
Pachy is an OPTION for Cerato
but it shouldn't be a 'if I see your dead'
Pachy should be able to escape
umbral prairie
is it still slower?
unborn quail
Mhm
umbral prairie
oh
barren zephyr
i mean i remenber on stream pachy slightly outspeeding cerato, however since cerato got its speedbuff this patch
i would say they are even now
unborn quail
Pachy never got its correct speed value
idle lintel
Pachy and Cerato currently isn’t even close, Pachy may as well sit down and die unless it can jump up somewhere the Cerato can’t
next nexus
@brazen wolf get a new keyboard already
idle lintel
The thing is the amount of areas you can use the jump like that is pretty much 1. So it’s just hoping that Cerato isn’t hungry and spares you
idle lintel
That’s the joke
idle lintel
Though I guess Pachy can actually mountain goat now
idle lintel
Stam use on it is insane, but I still feel it should stay
The jump at least
Stam use should be a bit more than Utah on it I feel
Considering those decently bulky legs and such
leaden night
Pachy weights more
nocturne skiff
@dire bluff you allowed to tag punchpacket tho
dire bluff
true, but is it okay to do it like this? for that purpose i mean?
unborn quail
No.
dire bluff
thought so
unborn quail
The only time Punch should be tagged is for direct troubleshooting issues with the game, and you should only be doing that when directed to do so
dire bluff
thx for the info.. ^^ its great
unborn quail
Mhm, when and doubt tag the moderators first for issues
dire bluff
kk ill ask in here first, and then maybe be direkted to do that, from helpful people like you ^^ if i need some answers
faint vector
I support the more color thing fully. But dont know whats in the works regarding that rn.
light oak
So a 33km/h, 1200n bite, 7tons Rex is not good enough... It needs camo too?
No wonder balances made for kids are getting so out of hands.
lament thorn
What's wrong with more colour options?
scarlet root
@light oak i think rex need more buffs😂
light oak
@scarlet root i know, alot of people do. Adult Rex can't be upkeep on IA yet... That need fix too
brisk mesa
@robust radish I love the ferns so TBH: I'd rather see a purge on the birch trees
pure copper
Pretty sure at least a few of the in game plants are conifers
They’re a diverse group
robust radish
@brisk mesa I am not against ferns, but what we have now - I do not know whether they are ferns or not, but this does not grow in northern latitudes
brisk mesa
I mean it does in some places.
I like in Canada and I've seen massive amounts of ferns, in forests
dusk tinsel
I'm gonna walk right out once this winter ends and I'm gonna go take pictures of ferny fields for ye.\o/
spiral pond
Eh it’s fricking snow and rain at the same time here
dusk tinsel
It's been awful hasn't it
dusk tinsel
I'm in Canaedia
dusk tinsel
Gonna go to work and end this discussion here because I just realised we're veering WAY off topic haha
Cheers tho!
earnest cave
did evry one forget abot the maia stamina ?
earnest cave
ya to get killd bu carnos ?
utha can run for 6mints thas alot
i ment the buff to 3 minets of run
spiral pond
Ye but Maia is faster then it
earnest cave
uthas can turn it with iz
spiral pond
Maybe a slight turn buff ?
earnest cave
if the trun buff comes, is ok get a nerf on speed
spiral pond
It needs turn buff in order to not be as Sri den by Utah’s, so it can get a speed nerf for a stam buff
So
What about para ?
How do we wanna fix that mess ?
manic ibex
@barren zephyr Dilo doesn't needs pitch black night. With the current night, Dilo can still hide into the shadows, and other dinos can actually do something, not just AFK'ing or just logging out.
barren zephyr
hide in the shadows only works untill you try to hunt something
manic ibex
Then change your hunting style. instead of roaming in the pitch black night, now you can choose a spot that you think a prey could come by, and wait
or just change your main
like I did
or stick to the forest. it's darker there
even if Dilo turns like a damn truck
tawny prairie
dilo is still good?
manic ibex
I didn't try it yet. But I doubt it can be called "good"
with the changes to bleed and night
200 direct damage is nothing to puke at
but
idk
that's not Dilo anymore with the bleed change
fluid schooner
they have finally given us some decent patch notes
wispy abyss
@lament thorn i guess (just guess) they want to avoid an "over colured" kiddy-like" looking game, where you can choose the brightest pink, etc. for your dinos. And personally, i hope it wont go into that direction to be honest. If they add some more colours, i hope they chose them wise.
lament thorn
Oh it wasn't for new bright colours the suggestion was for every colour to be available to every dino
Like how there's certain greens or what not that X dino can use but the rest can't
umbral prairie
@weary island that would still result in revenge killing or abusing it to scout, scouting with a carno and then moving in with your rex once you found potential prey
weary island
yeah true.
maybe some kind of timer? IDK
i play with a bunch of people and it sucks to jump off a cliff with my adult dilo to join there carno group 😄
umbral prairie
it is a bit annoying to just drop one dino to play another one, but I feel like it's only a big problem if you're an apex and want to join a group of another species
you could change server, but the problems with that are 1. too few officials 2. if the group you want to join is already a group of adults you can't just choose another server
weary island
yep mainly occurs when playing a carno dino. And yes we can switch it up a bit since EU has 3 offical servers now
i have a full grown carno on EU 1 and adult Dilo on 2 but the other dilo's i played with died and are now playing cero on the same server. So if they still have there Cero tomorrow i had to can my dilo which kinda sucks 😦
umbral prairie
@clever hinge they will probably do a big balance patch someday, as right now balance isn't really a thing in TI
they have to fix a lot of things
or get the combat rework in so they can properly balance everything
frosty anchor
@clever hinge Buffing speed of other dinos would put a bandage on the current rex situation, but I didn't see any rexes having any kind of issues surviving 2 patches ago when it was on the slower side?
umbral prairie
they survived almost exclusively on ai (or slow juvies)though, the gameplay was pretty dumb
rex speed should be somewhere between old and current speed
or have it run slow but a higher ambush multiplier
frosty anchor
A rex ambushes prey, which it was doing just fine. A couple of rex vets I know were having tons of fun eating whole herds of herbis over the span of a couple hours...
umbral prairie
they must have been very lucky with the herds, because they usually have multiple trikes in them
frosty anchor
They did kill multiple adult trikes though
umbral prairie
oh ok
then they are very good at fighting
but many players didn't dare to fight trikes with rexes until very recently
frosty anchor
it's pretty easy taking care of the trikes though, they were hunting in duos, and how you do it, you distract the herd, and draw the trikes to 1 side with 1 rex, while you have the other rex sitting at the opposite side in the tree line, a herd is not fast, so it's easy to maneuver around it
umbral prairie
it was possible, but many players didn't want to risk it
now rex is too fast
id set it to maybe 27 km/h and make it's ambush a bit better than before
but I heard that it'll get new anims aswell, maybe it'll be more balance then
frosty anchor
For me personally just reset the stats of rex and giga to what they were 2 patches ago... That was all good
New animations don't balance a dino you know, if the speed stays how it is now, you can add 100 new animations, the speed is going to stay the same 😆
umbral prairie
yeah I mean them adjusting the speed and the animations so it doesn't look ridiculous and/or slide around
barren zephyr
@frosty anchor Seriously? You want Giga to be faster and able to facetank a rex easily?
You kidding me right?
Thats basically TWO patches ago.
I mean main patches
frosty anchor
@barren zephyr First of all, it would be really nice if you would actually read what I wrote, I never even indicated that I want the giga to be able to facetank the rex easily, and we both know that the giga couldn't facetank a rex any amount of patches ago.
On top of that, if you have another opinion, that's all fine bud, everyone has their own opinion about the subject, that's why I was discussing about it a bit with Sammel, no need to be so mortified lol
radiant aspen
I would like to hear all of your opinion on this topic if the devs were to add fish eating
frosty anchor
They stated multiple times that they are interested in adding fishing, so they are most likely adding it in
radiant aspen
Here are my suggestions if the devs were to add a mechanic where the sucho, spino, and bary were able to eat fish in water:
How the feature will work: ~The (dinosaurs mentioned above) will only be able to eat fish in decently large bodies of water whether it be a lake or large river (not shallow, moving streams on mountains or hills). ~To indicate where they can eat fish are (like how bushes indicate food for herbivores or gore piles for regular carnivores) there will be either small dark patches with slight splashes (to show movement of fish) or just a noticeable movement in the water along with jumping fish. These so called "fish patches" should be close enough to the sides of lakes or rivers where the sucho or bary can be in the water at knee level (small to medium fish patches) and only the spino can be allowed to eat at the deeper ends (a few medium to large fish patches). Just like gore piles and bushes, after a certain amount of feeding, the fish patches disappear, but unlike gore piles, new fish patches can respawn anywhere random in the body of water (but much faster than bushes spawn rate). To indicate that fish patches have been depleted there should be an animation where you can see fish just swim away from area.
Is this a good concept?
(Continued.)
~Hunger: Spinos, suchos, and barys can refill their hunger by eating at these patches but they will offer slightly less as eating regular gore piles. To go along with fish patches (how herbis and carnivores have certain animations for eating either bushes or gore) they should have an animation where the spino, sucho or bary are crouching closer to the water waiting quietly and staying still (dipping their mouth into the water partially) which last for a few seconds, then suddenly striking at the water to reveal a flailing (panicking) fish in their mouth which is then swallowed whole depending on the size of fish (which is a reason why their hunger refill will be a bit longer than regular carnivores or herbivores).
frosty anchor
I think that your proposed implementation of fishing is really interesting. But I would like to wait just a bit more and see what Dondi and his team are thinking about the implementation of fishing. It might look something like your idea though.
hasty steppe
i wonder when utah will get pounce and or some love
lone crypt
most popular Dino in the game
”needs love”
Also, didn’t they say in one of the “ask a dev” answers that the fish would be actual physical animals?
Wait, why’d you mention a mod? What did I do?
topaz epoch
did somebody need something?
barren zephyr
Someone about to get bad time
lone crypt
I didn’t even do anything
barren zephyr
Sorry Souretsu thought someone had posted a answer to a suggestion in suggestions but then i realized this was suggestion discussion
umbral prairie
Wouldn't everyone just crouch all the time then?
jovial arch
@lone crypt you've suggested the same thing like twice in the last two hours my guy
barren zephyr
To clarify, not saying a fast crouch feature should be as fast as a trot or anything
its just all the crouch movements are so slow rn its almost useless
unless your prey isn't moving
elfin cipher
crouch is for silence, my dude
normal fern
@barren zephyr I feel like that sort of feature should cost stamina otherwise there would be no real reason to use the regular crouch.
Otherwise I'm all for it
elfin cipher
so big predators dont stomp
lone crypt
Because it’s getting drowned in the comments saying that giga needs a buff @jovial arch
feral wedge
Well obviously it would cost stam
jovial arch
just make sure you dont spontaneously turn into truealpha lol
barren zephyr
Might wanna add onto your suggestion about the Stam drain.
lone crypt
You couldn’t crouch forever tho, eventually you lose your speed boost if you crouch too long
elfin cipher
its improved immensely sice back when the game lacked grass
didnt it cost $30 back then? i cant remember
candid wraith
It's always been 20.
barren zephyr
Get back to topic
candid wraith
I was answering his question, no need to minimod 🙂
candid wraith
Wasn't hard to follow originally
lone crypt
Dr.Phill has asked for mod intervening twice in the past like 5 minutes
Also, did giga get resized?
It seems smaller. If you ask me, giga should be larger than Rex, but keep the stats
candid wraith
Giga was scaled down this last patch, previously it was broken and was gargantuan
edgy echo
@weary rose you’ve prolly figured it out by now but when you click confirm on the dino it will bring you to the skin creator and you can back out of that menu to see the differences between male and female
unborn quail
@thorny lynx No, No no no, No NO NO. Sub rex is already faster than Allo and cucks it.
Rex speed isn't permanent
thorny lynx
Yeah, after 3 hours
clever leaf
nerf adult rex speed to 17-18 mph
unborn quail
isn't
thorny lynx
I couldn't outrun a rex at .9
viral creek
Don't buff sub speed, just hope adult speed gets lower
barren zephyr
Let's make the strongest dinosaur known to man even faster
What could possibly go wrong
thorny lynx
33.9 miles an hour is after 3 hours and 40 minutes of growth
barren zephyr
Hey, we can't leave cerato out, sub Rex has to catch him too
thorny lynx
But I couldn't outrun a rex
unborn quail
Sub rex is new metta
thorny lynx
An adult rex
unborn quail
Adult rex is broken
Why in the hell, are you trying to break everything else with a speed buff that isn't needed
thorny lynx
Either nerf Rex's speed or reduce his stam
thorny lynx
Sub rex doesn't start out being faster than allo
It starts out slower than a maxed juvie
crystal turret
@barren zephyr I agree with your Rex concerns. I'd only like to add that it still needs a hunger improvement so it doesn't need to stay on the move 24/7. They still starve on 100 player servers imo. That said, I'm a bit concerned that every herb you mentioned (which was most of them), the only solution to all their problems is speed boosts. If every herb has a speed problem then they need to find some other solution because making the answer to all herbivore problems to run away is why no one plays them. They really need to consider a 'reverse ambush' type mechanic for herbivores. A move where after they sprint for a few seconds (5+) they gain an adrenaline boost of speed that reduces their turn ability but increases their speed by 50% at the cost of increased stamina drain. Give it to the herbs that can't jump.
barren zephyr
It's a hard balance. If you make it easy to catch, no one will play it cause it's fix death and it's frustrating. If you make it no one can catch them then it's gonna be boring and we gonna see suicide herbivores all over the place. Atleast this is my opinion. Yeah, as a herbivore "being hunted" is not the only fun factor, but probably this is what gives you as a player an adrenalin rush and make you feel excited and good. When i'm playing as a herb, i don't mind dying in a hunt or a fight if it gave me a bit of joy and adrenalin 😄 But not being able to be a prey (too fast, or too strong) is just making some of the dinosaurs too boring to play. Like how trike was when its easily defeated even 2 rex. Yes, you were a fucking tank as a Trike, but what for? Nobody hunted you, nobody even tried to kill you. Wich makes the long run feel boring
crystal turret
If they want to make herbs do nothing but be meals on wheels they need to cut their growth times in half then. Because while it may give you an adrenaline rush to run away, when you can't outrun the opponent or fend it off in most situations AND it took you 2+ hours to level that dino like right now, you start understanding why no one plays herbs
It's especially annoying when everyone tells you "well make a herd" and every herb on the server would be lucky to outnumber your average allo pack
barren zephyr
I was always on the side of making herbivores growth to be way shorter than Carnivores. Even just population wise it's seems to be a good idea. Of course, things like Trike shouldn't be short tho. That should be still stay around rex growth. But yeah, all of the others probably should be decreased by 10-60 minutes.
crystal turret
I've suggested before that your food level should increase your growth time, but they could do that only for herbs. If above 90% hunger your growth time is doubled. At least that way they'd be less likely to afk at night and in some secluded corner of the map only coming out every 30mins to not starve to death\
junior jacinth
@barren zephyr I personally think Cerato is in a good place right now. His speed is quick atm, and doesn't really need his hunger changed imo.
shut canopy
Noticed Trex got its move speed at sprint increased to 33.1 km/h. I was playing an adult Allosaurus who is suppossed to be at 33.48 km/h. So faster right? At least by enough that I should be able to pull away from them at full sprint little by little. No, apparently their 33.1 km/h is twice my 33.48 km/h. Ergo the t-rex is able to run me down like a goddamn speeding train to my stage coach.
polar juniper
Was the rex ambushing and were you fully-grown?
barren zephyr
Carno would have a much easier time with Cerato's hunger drain than Cerato does.
waxen elk
Tbh yeah
barren zephyr
And Cerato, which is kindof slow for its size and meant to be a scavenger, would benefit more from slow hunger drain than carno does. 
Sure Cerato got a speed boost, but speed vs hunger doesn't seem to add up when comparing it to carno.
pure copper
It’s just meant to be a more efficient scavenger than most carnivores in game not one who relies on it , I say just botch the hunger drain and make it more reasonable rather than trading it to something else
violet magnet
@wicked lark this is already a thing, and some realism server i was on tried it. Died practically overnight. Went from averaging 50 players a day to 5-10
agile whale
Althought it used to work, back when there was only a few realism servers really. It worked alright then, but they have to start out with a really good population that reallyyyy wants to play on that server in order to really make it through the sudden traffic stop
glad bear
mental sleet
@thorny lynx not a good idea
thorny lynx
Why not?
mental sleet
speeds atm are based on the animal's growth, as you know.
adding time to rex means it speeds up much more slowly, and with how painful of a hunger bar it is, it would be quite the hit.
thorny lynx
His hunger needs to be balanced out, anyway
mental sleet
that would need to be done first before this is viable, imo.
thorny lynx
True, but you have to admit 3 hours and 40 minutes for a teenage stage is a bit excessive.
fickle root
for the strongest thing is it
mental sleet
not how it works threetails
mental sleet
to make the sub-rex faster at lower growths, you need to make it faster, period.
mental sleet
no you actually need to, speed is based on the animal's growth and its 1.0 value.
jovial arch
the reason why you can't speed up at lower growths is because of model size
mental sleet
that's incorrect.
jovial arch
well
mental sleet
if sub-rex has a speed of 1000, for example.
jovial arch
then why doesn't allo start the same size as juvie
jovial arch
well
mental sleet
its the same odd stat powerspike that sub-rex has
jovial arch
i asked this here
mental sleet
and sub rex slows down immensely.
jovial arch
why doesn't allo start the same size as juvie
mental sleet
due to the way speed's handled.
thorny lynx
Juvie rex is faster than sub rex lol
jovial arch
and i was literally told it was due to model size
mental sleet
the fuck did they tell you.
jovial arch
i can't remember who said that
mental sleet
That's for the best.
jovial arch
i could find it
thorny lynx
Yes, bigger models mean more speed to match the animation
fickle root
you can speed up and slow down animations to match the speed
thorny lynx
Hence why Rex was running on ice
jovial arch
yes
mental sleet
What mustang said.
thorny lynx
The point is
jovial arch
but if a larger model has the same animation as a smaller model
the larger model goes faster
fickle root
so they can make anything how they want
mental sleet
that depends on the speed value they gave it.
jovial arch
and they can't scale animation speed with size
thorny lynx
The majority of its life cycle is its teenage stage
jovial arch
i asked this question and i got told model size
thorny lynx
Which is too weak and too slow for about 3 and a half hours
jovial arch
why not simply speed up rex sub then？
thorny lynx
Cuz 1.0 sub rex is God tier fast
jovial arch
just make it have a higher speed to start
fickle root
at full grown sub rex is the strongest mid tier
thorny lynx
It doesn't
fickle root
why would it need more speed
jovial arch
why should rex be the strongest mid tier
thorny lynx
Not when it takes 320 minutes to get there
jovial arch
that's ridiculous
thorny lynx
You start with 5 fucking damage
jovial arch
you're not playing rex for the strongest mid tier
you're playing rex for the strongest apex
fickle root
look what you grow too what can kill a rex right now
thorny lynx
You have to scale up from somewhere
fickle root
start with 5 go to 1200
thorny lynx
But adult rex starts out with 450 damage
thorny lynx
And skyrockets to 1200 in 100 minutes
That's way too short of a time for that much power
mental sleet
juvi rex and sub-rex NEED to be weaker than their ecosystem counterparts
its not a should, doing so otherwise invalidates the other two and eases the growth of the apex.
jovial arch
if it wasn't
the entire ecosystem would just be various stages of rex
imagine that
just a bunch of rexes
thorny lynx
Can't we just agree 3 hours and 40 minutes is too damn long
jovial arch
honestly
thorny lynx
I would rather die a young adult rex than a .9 sub
jovial arch
my opinion is that it should be longer but more survivable
thorny lynx
It's 7 hours
jovial arch
yeah
i know
apexes are pretty easy to get rn
judging from how many of them there are running around
thorny lynx
What do you want
fickle root
there is still a lot that needs to be balanced
thorny lynx
10 hours?
thorny lynx
Hell no
jovial arch
in exchange for survivability?
would you rather sit in a bush for 3 hours
or play the game for 4 hours
thorny lynx
True, but
jovial arch
take your pick
thorny lynx
Can we equal the stages of growth out a bit?
Even sub giga traded some of its sub time for adult time
fickle root
sub giga needs like 3k weight to be any good its bigger than sub rex
thorny lynx
Balance out the time between adult rex and sub rex
I suggested hashing 40 minutes from sub rex and adding it to adult
jovial arch
well
thorny lynx
100, 180, 140 isn't bad
jovial arch
no offense, but i'd rather have 4 hours of semiplayable sub rex as opposed to an extra hour of adult
jovial arch
yes
which is why im saying buff the start
make it more playable over the entire experience
make it actually a part of the ecosystem
thorny lynx
None of the dinosaurs have that kind of system
thorny lynx
They aren't able to start fast and grow up to be slow and chonk
jovial arch
because there are only 2 apex carnivores
oblique dust
rex has to have a shitty sub stage or else its population has the chance of going out of control
and trust me, you don't want that.
jovial arch
everything else just goes straight into adult
thorny lynx
But I don't want a shitty sub stage for most of my gameplay
mental sleet
it doesn't have to be shitty
thorny lynx
I'm just saying
mental sleet
it just needs to be worse
jovial arch
why tho
oblique dust
true, it doesn't have to be shitty but it needs to be weak.
jovial arch
what are you trying to accomplish
thorny lynx
Don't you think it is dumb for adult rex to go from 450 to 1200 damage in 100 minutes?
oblique dust
current sub rex is too strong from what I've heard
thorny lynx
How about 140
oblique dust
that's understandable.
mental sleet
except you are only taking into consideration damage.
thorny lynx
He can start put as .8 like normal, but he just takes longer to get to adult.
jovial arch
sub rex with 400 bite and solid bleed heal doesn't make sense
mental sleet
you also need to realize those are 40 minutes he is slower
mental sleet
and thus those are 40 more minutes he has to find food for.
jovial arch
it literally beats allo in a 1 v 1 if allo has 300 damage and sub rex has 7/14 bleed heal and 450 damage
like
deadass
mental sleet
40 more minutes another adult rex can run him over.
jovial arch
i ran the numbers
mental sleet
etc.
fickle root
your not adult why should you heal that fast
thorny lynx
Giga has to find food for 160 minutes as an adult.
jovial arch
and there's literally no strat allo can use to win
thorny lynx
Why can't adult rex struggle
mental sleet
actually mustang kids heal better than adults but that has nothing to do with the game.
oblique dust
adult rex was kind of a struggle before the recent buffs?
thorny lynx
Yes
oblique dust
at least in terms of speed, you had to be a good ambusher to effectively hunt things down.
thorny lynx
He is super fast, now, but now he needs to have more time to get there
jovial arch
honestly, in my opinion giving rex an extra 40 minutes on adult would be a nerf
thorny lynx
It wouldn't
jovial arch
if his speed went back to old speed
thorny lynx
Not with how fast he is
thorny lynx
If he got his old speed back, yes, I would object to adding 40 minutes
fickle root
as a fresh adult rex you would get ran down by a full adult so easy
oblique dust
imo it sounds like they just overtuned the speed too much, so just nerf it, but not back to pre-patch levels
thorny lynx
But he is much faster, now, and can outrun allos in 100 minutes. That's stupid. He should earn it.
fickle root
and taking another 40 mins would not help
thorny lynx
Then why not just balance out the timers even further
oblique dust
are you sure about that tails? people are saying they're getting out-stammed and outrun by rexes as allos.
or are those people just exaggerating
fickle root
rex has 1:50 of stam allo has over 3 mins
oblique dust
ah, so they're getting ambushed from a reasonable distance then, or so that's what it sounds like.
thorny lynx
120 minutes for a juvenile, 180 minutes for a sub, 120 minutes for an adult. That sounds pretty balanced to me.
thorny lynx
Does that sound good?
thorny lynx
2 hours, 3 hours, 2 hours.
oblique dust
sounds decent to me fluff
thorny lynx
I'll suggest it to Hypno
fickle root
everything does
pure copper
What doesn’t need a rebalance
minor dome
yeah they need to be nerded
pure copper
FrDoe lol
minor dome
balance with the dino i feel isnt the problem. i think the problem is more people play the big boys because they can get away with it
oblique dust
that used to be the case before rivers were implemented
Chinese mega packs became a huge issue because of that.
reaching full adult as an apex wasn't a skill test back then, it was just a grind
minor dome
same as it is now
oblique dust
that you could easily get through as long as you could camp a water source with friends.
minor dome
same as now
oblique dust
I'd say reaching rex was more skill oriented
jovial arch
sorry, what i mean earlier when i said that rex wasn't overtuned was that it wasn't intentionally overtuned
they changed the animation so the speed is faster than it should be
fickle root
rex would be good with 27 to 28 kph
oblique dust
I haven't played the game when the new patch dropped, but I'm assuming the recent buffs to rex have made it easier for players who are less skilled in general.
rephrased that, lol
though I doubt there's anything equivalent to Chinese mega packs running around right now, thanks to the new changes.
thorny lynx
Rex would ne decent with an 18 mile an hour base and 24 mile an hour ambush. That way, he can get the jump on an unsuspecting allo, but he can't chase down something in an open field.
fickle root
i live in the us but i use kph because thats what they use in game not sure what 18 and 23 are in relation to all other dinos
jovial arch
24 is giga ambush speed
jovial arch
18 mph is 1 mph less than giga
thorny lynx
That's fine.
jovial arch
just trying to give reference here
verbal acorn
Prior Rex on V3 was beyond skill...unless you hunted juvie coming off the beach and the first tier of water holes from spawns, you just couldnt reliably find opportunities to hunt.
Once you push toward the interior and peripheral locations that contained mature prey, you’d run out of viable Rex ambush locations. V3 was built to neuter the Rex.
fickle root
23 seems a little high for rexes ambush
thorny lynx
Ok
jovial arch
and have a 5 second proc
fickle root
i think giga needs a ambush nerf too and time
jovial arch
i think giga just needs a speed decrease
tbh i don't think rex needs 18 mph
it just needs to outspeed trike
fickle root
rex could before the update
jovial arch
give it 17 and it's fine
thorny lynx
No
thorny lynx
But what else can it hunt
jovial arch
your base speed is kinda irrelevant when it comes to catching things
you don't catch things with base speed
you do it with ambush
thorny lynx
8 seconds
jovial arch
giga's is too strong
giga has the easiest time catching things out of anything in the game except carno
like
i've run the numbers
fickle root
24 is too fast imo
jovial arch
giga has the highest ambush differentials with the highest number of dinosaurs out of anything in the game
jovial arch
i mean
fickle root
giga needs a speed and time nerf on its ambush
jovial arch
8 would be ok tbh, but im in the everything should have a hard time catching stuff camp
jovial arch
8 is good under the current system but imo all 12 second ambush times should only be like 8-10s
thorny lynx
That would be dope
fickle root
26 is even faster than what it had
thorny lynx
Ok 24
jovial arch
eh
thorny lynx
What is giga's ambush?
jovial arch
i'd pref giga to just lose an mph
everything else can stay
giga's ambush is somewhere like 24.4
or something
fickle root
it was the same speed that para use to be 39 kph or around 24 mph
thorny lynx
Give giga a 10 second ambush and Rex an 8 second ambush
jovial arch
i mean, if rex is at 24 mph in ambush
it only needs 6 seconds
8 gives you an extra 6 or so meters
and you start moving out of the requires stealth to ambush range and into the i can just run stuff down range
fickle root
i agree with everything on this but i think rexes ambush should be slowed a little https://docs.google.com/document/d/15hh1yip-95chJCeEv6bXSEsWhXzE8FGnHnQ1X9khVH8/mobilebasic
oblique dust
people are saying that giga's trash right now though
jovial arch
well
fickle root
tell me what you think
jovial arch
the bleed change crippled giga
fickle root
not just that its that rex is faster
oblique dust
the bleed change crippled any dinosaur that heavily relied on bleed imo.
including dilos
oblique dust
you can thank the stream snipers for that.
jovial arch
im in the other camp
jovial arch
there are two camps in terms of balance
one camp thinks that everything should be able to hunt a lot of things, whereas the other wants a more rigid hierarchy
nova wants a more rigid hierarchy in terms of hunting, and he's done that specifically by having speed tiers with corresponding ambush speeds
oblique dust
Nova?
thorny lynx
I feel like Rex's diet should be a staple of Trike, Anky, Stego, and Para as a treat
jovial arch
he made the speed suggestion
oblique dust
ah
jovial arch
that mustang posted
or at least
he was the first one to do it like that
im not saying it's a bad system
im just in the other camp
fickle root
i agree with all but how fast rexes ambush is
oblique dust
that sounds reasonable fluff. those do seem like the kind of dinosaurs rex would hunt
jovial arch
yeah
oblique dust
the slow and heavy "defender" types.
oblique dust
I think it should too, but only if get manages to catch one close up, and with ambush
pure copper
Velos should hunt rexes
thorny lynx
I think devs should try Nova's speed tiers for shits and giggles
Just to see how it would work
fickle root
imo 1v2 as long as its the same tier the 2 should always win
oblique dust
not sure about para though, para feels more like giga food to me, not rex food.
jovial arch
nova's thing would be ok
fickle root
para should be too fast for rex
pure copper
If the rex can catch it it’s rex food
jovial arch
where nova's thing potentially dies is if there aren't sufficient populations
like
if there's no allos
and no ceratos
your ecosystem kinda blows up
thorny lynx
But there are plenty of allos
jovial arch
yes
thorny lynx
And dilos
fickle root
people play what they can live as thats why you dont see paras or suchos so speed balance would help a little
jovial arch
but im just saying hypothetically
if one chain in your ecosystem is broke
the rest tumbles down fast
oblique dust
depends imo
thorny lynx
Honestly
jovial arch
i mean
pure copper
except pandas
jovial arch
yeah, that's kinda how it is rn
thorny lynx
I wish devs would just test out these speed changed and see what people think
oblique dust
I don't think much would change if apexes were gutted/removed, that goes for both herbivores and carnivores, because it would just scale down to the second strongest tier, and so on
oblique dust
however, problems generally arise when there's an overpulation of apexes, or if a number of lower-tier dinosaurs go extinct.
thorny lynx
Subs, maybe
fickle root
imo if you cant fight you should be able to run and im saying 1v1
oblique dust
like, things go south reeeaaaaal fuckin' fast if several mid-tier herbs or carnis go extinct.
jovial arch
yup
oblique dust
not so much for small-tier dinosaurs because they're so easy to grow and most larger things can't catch them anyway, but the mid-tier roster is the staple of the game's ecosystem, or so it feels like it.
jovial arch
the game so far has only ever been apexes and small tiers or just mid tiers
either the apexes wipe all the mid tiers
fickle root
para is 3 hours and i have not seen one in so long
pure copper
Tfw you ask for paras to be nerfed because you think they’re too strong then they get nerfed and no longer exist
Top 10 anime backfires
jovial arch
or the mid tiers can't be caught and they wipe out the small tiers
yeah
honestly
i'd rather have para be 24 mph with old stats than it is now
like
fickle root
it was fine nerfing paras damage but dont take its speed and damage
jovial arch
at least there was something to hunt
now there's just a bunch of allos
like
cmon
oblique dust
I'll say it over and over again, para just needed damage nerfs so that it couldn't one-shot allos anymore.
because yeah, that was bullshit
jovial arch
i've killed more allos than paras as an allo in the past month
fickle root
i soloed one para thats all i seen but killed 2 other allos attacking us
oblique dust
para just needed damage nerfs so that the griefers who were once playing as them would think twice about chasing down a solo-allo or two.
jovial arch
there's that
pure copper
If you have it balanced more people will play it , if more people play it then even if they’re bad at fighting allos/other mid tiers alone as opposed to running they have the potential to have the strength of the herd at their back (since they exist now)
jovial arch
^
herbis need to be able to defend themselves and carnis need to be able to hunt them
you don't just need one, you need both
fickle root
give para its speed back but it needed less damage its too small to be as slow as giga
oblique dust
the problem with herbivores though, is that if they're viable, then they starting seeing a rise in player pop, and soon form herds that are pretty much untouchable for most carnivore groups.
pure copper
I think there’s a better way around that
fickle root
trikes groups got nerfed though 5 max
oblique dust
like mega herds with 8+ trikes and all of the current herb species for survival, so they just end up covering each other's weaknesses.
and then the carnivores can't do anything about that unless if they manage to group up in heavy numbers themselves
fickle root
herbs dont seem as bad now to me now that they cant just stay at herb rock all day
pure copper
Meat carrying would Kindve aid with this sort of. I’ve seen carnivores kill Herbivores out of mega groups before , thing is even if they do kill one there’s no guarantee they’ll be able to access the meat afterwards (the herd I was with decided to be cancer after a starving allo killed a Dryo and guarded its corpse) if you could carry/drag meat they can pick up their meal and eat somewhere safe without being curb stomped
If it doesn’t slow them down too much that is
oblique dust
yeah, herbs corpse guarding kills is just
fucking stupid imo
I hate it when players do that shit.
fickle root
afinity will fix that
oblique dust
and meat-carrying or limb-tearing would definitely aid that.
pure copper
I haven’t seen it too much but when injections were happening on V3 the one particular herd I was with that had ankys, trikes , shants etc were being deliberately shitty
fickle root
i dont find it fun being in a big group just to sit around and never get attacked i like being hunted
jovial arch
Or they tried
oblique dust
so yeah, there needs to be species and number limitations for herbivore herds, once the affinity system comes around.
fickle root
after the code wipe the game should get much more playable
pure copper
Code wipe ?
oblique dust
like, a herd should NOT be able to have trikes, gallis, maias and paras all together at once.
fickle root
you haven't heard after the balancing this it the last patch for around 2 months while the wipe bad code out of the game
verbal acorn
It’s funny that people speak so fondly of Affinity, but then bad talk realism servers that have rules that parallel what Affinity would encourage and discourage...and that game experience is here right now.
pure copper
Yeah I don’t want affinity to delve too much into realism territory
oblique dust
IDK, I liked realism servers before admins and inner drama drove it all to hell
granted, some realism servers went overboard with the rules too, but still
verbal acorn
But it will if it does what everyone says it will...
pure copper
That’s what I mean
It all starts out the same
If affinity gets a bit too limiting it’ll just be a constant “oh i think packs should be able to have this many” “nooooo I think there should be this many”
oblique dust
depends on whether or not admins will be able to heavily modify affinity stats for their servers.
then yeah, that's how the drama will start.
verbal acorn
Everything I’ve heard that Affinity will “fix” is already addressed on most Realism Servers.
oblique dust
IDK, at the same time, affinity encourages players to play a certain way, it forces them to learn and adapt to their own unique strategies and the like.
which can be very fun, if handled well.
pure copper
What exactly is affinity going to do that’ll cause that
fickle root
like herbs dont want to stay next to dead bodies or they dont want to be around carnies alll the time
verbal acorn
Debuff you and turn you into an Albino with a wet cough and wheeze
oblique dust
we don't know, but if I had to make a really half-assed comparison, then I hope it functions similarly to classes in a MMO, or roles in a MOBA.
pure copper
Pretty sure herbs don’t generally like staying around carnivores now at least on officials
fickle root
its for carebearing
jovial arch
it's like the bb allopocalypse, except instead of allos they're just fucking rexes
verbal acorn
Herb packs defy carnivores to dare and try to eat a kill...herb packs push carnivores out of areas all the time on Officicals
oblique dust
which is why affinity needs to do something about herb species numbers in a herd imo
pure copper
That type of behavior won’t change just because you limit the herd numbers of a species
verbal acorn
Realism servers already require herbs to move away from kills.
fickle root
they are balancing the game based off official
verbal acorn
Herbs will just get up and move once a body drops...or you can usually tell them to move off the body or allow you access to the kill...and they usually do....even if begrudgingly
oblique dust
right, it was due to TOO many rules, plus stupid inner admin drama
but I'd rather have some kind of "rule" system that people are encouraged to abide to, rather than not have one at all.
verbal acorn
The hardest part of playing realism servers is finding one with Alt-turn.
pure copper
Too many rules , bullshit rules , staff clashes , shutting down because of said clashes and people leaving because of the gameplay being too restrictive
jovial arch
yup
oblique dust
and when things are too freeform, you get situations like the Chinese mixed mega-pack apocalypse.
where it becomes competely unfun for both carnivore players and herbivore players.
verbal acorn
The remaining realism servers are all very similar. You can go in with a basic set of assumed rules and then fill yourself in to the nuances at your leisure.
They have simplified the rules on most, so you get familiar with core rules easily.
oblique dust
yes, but those realism servers aren't monitoring all players 24/7
oblique dust
and this causes people to break the rules, or try to get away with things they shouldn't get away with.
jovial arch
that rule is bs imo
pure copper
“Can’t roar at me when I do this”
oblique dust
that's probably one of the reasons why realism server rules became absurdly complex.
fickle root
i use to play on pangaea but stopped to play on official better rules
pure copper
Because it gets dumb , I don’t wanna have to abide by an arbitrary etiquette
verbal acorn
They don’t have to. Players monitor each other, use the in game video to submit grievances on the server’s Discord. Most realism servers have enough admins to deal with rule breaks within 30mins to an hour of posting.
oblique dust
and who knows, the affinity system might feel more enjoyable because it'll be naturally integrated into the gameplay side of things.
verbal acorn
If you do post at odd hours, you can rest assured it will be picked up by morning.
oblique dust
rather than having to go to some discord to read up on all of the rules you might possibly break.
jovial arch
yeah
pure copper
Realism isn’t really worth my time , official servers are more enjoyable for me and friends I hang with
jovial arch
that was another thing that is really frustrating
i dont wanna have to onto a discord server
read through 5 pages of rules
pure copper
I don’t care why someone’s trying to kill me I care about whether or not I can protect myself in some way as a dinosaur I play as
verbal acorn
I have no issue with Affinity, I look forward to it. I’m just saying the play experience people seek through Affinity is already present on Realism Servers
fickle root
they need more night time admins for official
jovial arch
make some sort of oath/pledge to the admins
pure copper
Ew
fickle root
if you get stuck at night your done for the day
oblique dust
like for example: rather than having to read some discord server rule stating that a rex shouldn't be able to eat a juvenile, the player could naturally experience that in-game by eating a juvenile and getting a jack-shit amount of food from it. which is pretty much how it is right now.
fickle root
i killed my trike yesterday
jovial arch
i cant blame you
oblique dust
@verbal acorn ah okay, I see what you're getting at now. even then, I think the affinity system will implement a few things that aren't found in realism servers.
fickle root
they said they are going to do something to split juvies from adults
oblique dust
yep, I know. I was just giving a silly example.
verbal acorn
Herbs need other herbs to have a reason to live. Herbs need to depend on other herbs or other herbs to depend on them to be fulfilling.
oblique dust
yeah, but when a herd has like 16 paras and 8 trikes, then that's not fulfilling
it just becomes boring.
fickle root
i would rather grow dryo 12 times then play trike but that me i have so much more fun on dryo
oblique dust
and unfun for both the herbs and the carnivores.
pure copper
Not really large herds are actually enjoyable being in just for aesthetic purposes
fickle root
i hat being in big aggro groups and that how all are
verbal acorn
Yeah, you have to split up those super-herds.
pure copper
Even when herds were that large when para first came out you were still being persistently hunted
Mostly by rexes since I don’t think allos were in?
Don’t remember
fickle root
allo came out after para by a little while
oblique dust
true, but it was a hard time for carnivores to kill those herds. plus having so many herbs in one area of the map isn't healthy either.
pure copper
That’s why they typically moved around
fickle root
me and my brother went to hunt some paras once and like 10 trike s came out of the trees and killed us
oblique dust
yes, but regardless many of them were still together in one formation
pure copper
Yeah that’s what herds do
fickle root
thenyaw is too small for 100
oblique dust
maybe something like several big herb herds across the map would be better.
oblique dust
it is
jovial arch
and i'd estimate that approximately 50% of v3 has less than 3 players on it
oblique dust
it should be something like 200-250 players but that'll never happen.
pure copper
Unless you have AI the ecosystem is totally reliant on players
And no I don’t just mean more oros and tacos
oblique dust
the problem with AI though, is that the devs have said that larger, more complex AI would pretty much equate to a player for their servers
fickle root
they want you to net be able to tell ai from a player
they want to take the player amount down for more ai
oblique dust
so either the devs are going to create low-population servers with high ai, or high population servers with low ai; very little chance or potential for an in-between of either.
jovial arch
well
pure copper
But how is that going to factor in when humans are a thing then you have a portion of the population playing humans leaving for an even smaller ecosystem?
jovial arch
code wipe
you know what i dont get
why cant we boost up healing tick rates
when stamina clearly regenerates faster than once per min
oblique dust
@pure copper I'd assume that humans will get their own equivalent to an affinity system so that it doesn't lead to them wiping out the entire dino population of a specific biome.
pure copper
That’s not necessarily what I mean
fickle root
i found it
Siransyboy Asks: How complex will the AI be?
How complex is the AI (once it's finished) going to be? Will they be able to form packs, nest, etc.
Answer:
We want our final version of AI to be as indistinguishable from a player in behavior as possible. But due to server constraints and bloat we do have to be careful of just how much we try to add. Because AI brings with them the same weight to a server that actual players do. So we have to be very intelligent with how we implement them so you guys don’t see an increase in complex AI but a decrease in the maximum number of players allowed on the server.
pure copper
I meant that if you have a primarily player based server with little AI and you have a portion of players being humans and others being dinosaurs doesn’t that leave for less diversity in between ?
oblique dust
probably, yes
but then again I think the devs have said they're going to counter this with some kind of archipelago-based map system?
IIRC
pure copper
So does that mean having a map with multiple big islands spread out from each other that allows for more players/AI?
oblique dust
maybe it'll function similar to MMO games, where you're taken to a different server once you enter a different zone.
IDK, it's just a guess.
fickle root
i wouldn't like that
oblique dust
IDK, when they mentioned it immediately though of Atlas's map system, but who knows lol
oblique dust
I think they also said that they don't want to cram a plethora of biomes into a single map, either
fickle root
i think more or so once you get to a certain size you would want to go to another area so that way you would not have adults killing juvies over and over
pure copper
We’re fucked
oblique dust
like, one island gets 3-5 biomes or something like that, but my memory's pretty bad, so I might be wrong.
jovial arch
nah
they literally wouldn't be working on nesting
if they were going to put juvies and adults in different areas
literally doesn't make sense
fickle root
if your nested in you have the adults to protect you
like the last one
Blockomaniac Asks: What plans are there to make juveniles more interesting?
What are the devs' plans for making juveniles more fun/interesting to play as, if any ideas currently exist?
Answer:
We’re looking to flatten out some of the stats between the juvenile animals, we don’t want a situation where certain animals are completely out of luck. We want you to be fairly comparable to other animals on your tier list.
This does not mean that a utahraptor juvenile and a tyrannosaurus juvenile will be evenly matched, things such as the ceratosaurus, allosaurus and tyrannosaurus will be on more even footing while young. As they grow they will become exponentially different.
We also have a couple of things planned for juveniles to access certain areas and foods that are not available to adults. You’ll be able to have a relatively same experience but still be able to survive.
pure copper
Sooo basically in the long run we’ll either have an ecosystem primarily based off players with minimal AI since they’ll cause issues on servers and said ecosystem will be skewed with players being both dinosaurs and humans limiting the diversity of dinosaurs in said ecosystem or a low pop server with more AI and a diverse array of wild dinos.
fickle root
thats where im getting what im saying from
oblique dust
yeah pretty much
this is a small dev team, there's only so much they can do for a server.
and the limited dinosaur species populations would fall in line with the supposed multiple island deal, with each map having a limited set of biomes either way.
pure copper
I’ve seen the future : darkness all around
oblique dust
assuming that's true and they follow through with it, that is.
why would that be bad? it's disappointing, sure, but it's understandable.
pure copper
Well if the server itself can only support a rather minuscule amount of AI and you have the player count fairly split between dinosaurs and humans (subsequently further limiting dinosaur pops that are already low) it leads to lack of diversity and can damp the intended effect the finalized version of the game is meant to have with interaction/immersion
Unless the multiple island deal allows for more players than 100
fickle root
with optimizations they can support more
umbral prairie
@clear turret they will probably not introduce dinosaur very similar to dinos already in the game until the game is close to being finished (or fully released)
clear turret
Naturally. The thread is for suggestions though, not necessarily exclusive to high priority additions.
At any point down the line, alternate dino models for similar gena means a lot of diversity without balancing needs.
barren zephyr
@dire bison Don't post a response to a suggestion in #general-feedback post it here
dire bison
Not nerf sub rex 4 what ?
barren zephyr
......What?
dire bison
@barren zephyr you know how long it takes for a Rex to grow up? as it was done right now he is just right so that not everyone can afford anything with rex where was the joke that could kill any sub-rex just so man would have to take care now if man in met or do you think the man 3-4 hours on piece as rex hunts and tries to survive so that in just anyone can kill 2h as juvie 3-4 h as sub-rex are at least 5 H the man is trying to survive because he is not mistaken that a rex can defend itself when it matters me play daily 13-16 h The isle and I have collected a lot of game experience and can say as the update is now it is okey
barren zephyr
So just because you play it daily and waste your time on it. It should be so strong it can fuck up every mid tier.
Yeah how about no
normal fern
Rex is horribly overpowered at sub adult and adult stages of growth.
It outclasses Allo entirely at sub adult stage and then the adult makes giga redundant seeing as it's faster and stronger.
Hell the adult is even the same speed as an Allo
barren zephyr
Yeah it make's no sense
spiral pond
If allo is a monster and a sub Rex is allo on steroids it is overpowered
Also it’s not “ok” this update is a complete mess in almost every way possible
barren zephyr
Yeah it is but the devs said that they are trying to make this new balance system work so we'll just have to see how this system works out.