some players can be really fuckin' dumb, especially newbies
#general-feedback-discussion
oblique dust
lime olive
the whole 2nd bar thing would be confusing and bad, people would be like "why do I have 2 food bars Am I glitched?"
oblique dust
same reason why carnivore players get an arrow indicator for their sprint mechanic, it lets them know they're ready to ambush
or maybe herbs would need any of this if plant food is still going to be kinda easy for them to find. 🤷
verbal acorn
Isn’t cud a process of digestion, not spare food. So re-chewing does give re-food...
violet magnet
@shut gale this suggestion has been made twice in the past week and we've already gone over all the ways it would be bad, tho
biggest way it could go wrong is that it's sssssoooooo griefable
like
EXTREMELY griefable
lean root
Then find a safe spot to log
shut gale
its seems less toxic than combat login
if you don't like the idea you're most likely a combat logger.....
lean root
If It's been made twice then It's most likely a problem
cyan flame
Also, combatlogging is not a thing here
lean root
It is
cyan flame
You alt-f4, you stay ingame for 5 minutes
Or even longer
You do not poof immediately, so no
lean root
Let me guess, you only fight things you can one shot in the isle too?
cyan flame
I aim to survive ;)
cyan flame
No :p
cyan flame
Oh.. I've been here since the danger floof came in
violet magnet
"if you don't like the idea you're most likely a combat logger....."
no i tend to finish fights
shut gale
explain the exploit then. a utah follows ur diablo around and keeps biting you preventing you from login?
if that's so find a rock or something you can use. you can still see infront of you so you can stop the logout and hit it ....
lean root
You only fight things you can one shot. You don't know what It's like to have things combat log.
cyan flame
Clay: I do
violet magnet
diablo can drop those utahs pretty easily
and utah doesn't do THAT much damage to a diablo unless the diablo chases them, so...
violet magnet
mainly griefing
shut gale
i asked you to explain
violet magnet
as in something small like a dryo biting big things so they can't log
because that IS a thing that happens
lean root
Yeah, what do you mean by griefing
shut gale
kill it....
lean root
Then kill it
violet magnet
too small and fast and rex can't bite until it stands all the way
cyan flame
You'd have people be able to keep someone in the game despite them wanting to log because it's a problem to get them :p
Oh yes.. it's not going to come then
violet magnet
shut gale
if you can't do that you're bad.. :\
cyan flame
It'll run around, if you turn, you can't log, if you're not turning, the dryo will get behind you
shut gale
yes
and i've played against rexes
alt turn is good enough
if you know what you're doing
cyan flame
Maybe, but why even bother, why let a dryo be able to do it
violet magnet
not for something as fast and maneuverable as a dryo 
cyan flame
You're basically saying "We should let small things be able to harass things they should never go near, because the big thing can, with lots of effort, kill it, eventually" :p
shut gale
ah... i cant' help but think your problem is ... skill i'm sorry
lean root
^
cyan flame
Maybe, why don't you show me how it's done then ;)
But wait, you're the ones complaining about people logging cause you can't kill them in time :p
violet magnet
the logout timer on official is a full miute
cyan flame
And yes, now I'm being rude, but that was kind of funny, you're accusing us of no skill while wanting an easier time/more time to kill something :p
shut gale
still not enough for an allo or carno to kill a rex for example...
violet magnet
you can't track it down and kill it in a full minute OR kill it while it's sitting still in a minute?
shut gale
if you're hunting big game most likely no
cyan flame
Then why are you hunting it in the first place
shut gale
also they normaly just open the log out screen and look at you until the logout is ready
cyan flame
You shouldn't.. you're not powerful enough to do so
cyan flame
I do however agree that sitting with the log ready is a bit.. iffy :p
No you don't.. and I don't play like you.. so.. the issue here is we have different mentalities requiring different setups in the game to make it work? :P
Which of course makes me wonder, who's mentality should we go with.. :p
barren zephyr
Dilos hunt fish? Surviving as a dilo is already stupid easy.
lean root
Other people do as well
cyan flame
And therein lies the different mentality
Yes, and I'm sure some other people agree with me as well
cyan flame
After all, as you saw, griefing was mentioned
lean root
Then other people agree with Funsu and I that It's a problem
cyan flame
Then it does not mean it's a good suggestion :P
And yes, some people do agree, I know a bunch that do
They also had other people disagreeing with them
Again.. two sides.. it's not.. you know, just me against 99% of you.. :p
If that's what you think
"ArkariaYesterday at 8:22 PM
the devs aren't going to make it so people can't log out just so other players can grief/harass shit thats 50 times bigger than them that they shouldn't be hunting in the first place"
What someone else responded to the suggestion when that group brought it up
cyan flame
Someone with a bit of experience I would say, actually
lean root
So Im not gonna trust what they say lmao
cyan flame
Considering they're working on their own game
But sure, you don't need to trust that
I just wanted to point out that there are others that see it the way I do, just like there are those that see it the way you do :P
violet magnet
it's a problem but a whole NEW problem will be created if what's being suggested is implemented
violet magnet
Arkaria is a dev of another game
and just repeating what the Isle devs have already said
lean root
Okay, another game. Not this one
You have a quote?
Or a picture of the devs saying that?
violet magnet
the one Erik posted
cyan flame
Not sure if the Isle devs have said anything officially, so can't say much on that one :p Wasn't the point anyway.. ^^
cyan flame
Then it still counts for others than me seeing things in this way or that, which was the point :p
violet magnet
okay
sweet oasis
This isn't the he-said-she-said channel where we discuss who we believe about things or not
violet magnet
still don't want to have to put up with a tiny thing harassing me while i'm trying to log out tho
sweet oasis
Discuss the actual suggestion that was put in the #general-feedback channel and not who says it's bad
cyan flame
Ghostway: Apologies.
sweet oasis
Thank you.
cyan flame
But yeah.. I've explained over on BoB why I do not agree with your suggestion, why I think it's unneccesary (especially there, with the damage being in), and why I've never had an issue with it. I do not think we should add something that allows for more potential griefing, since there is no real need, there are plenty of ways to be fine without getting yourself in a situation where this solution is a must.
jovial arch
wait a minute
so
i was just discussing with funsu
and uh
he had a really good argument
so let's say that a giga gets a successful ambush onto a trike or rex
well
all the trike or rex has to do is hit esc and start logging out
the giga is forced to engage
and trading extra hits vs a trike will lose you the fight
whereas getting hit even once by a rex is your death
cyan flame
Why are you hunting them then? :p
jovial arch
ok
cyan flame
Or, why are you hunting them like that.. :p
cyan flame
You hunt smaller things, or you have a packmate or two?
jovial arch
where the entire point of the match is to get some hits off
bleed them
and back off and wait
cyan flame
Yes, you bleed them and keep them moving
violet magnet
allo can drop a dibble in under a minute tho can't it
cyan flame
No, not back off and watch
violet magnet
no logging out if you're less than a certain amount of health then...?
cyan flame
So.. 1v1, do not hunt a dibble?
Or better, no logging if you've taken fatal damage
That would solve that issue
violet magnet
(my internet's fucking up and i can't see messages coming up in real-time, ugh)
tawny dust
a good fix for combat logging is eh
you cannot log out if you have more than 40% damage or something like that
cyan flame
Fatal bleed = even with resting, you'll die cause of the damage. At that point, you're dead, logging at that point is just shitty, like dying in water. Logging before then, not an issue :p
cyan flame
That way you can still have use of protection, but there's a limit to it
But yeah.. the examples are weird.. I also doubt a 1v1 in that case would be something someone would log for :p
shut gale
@tawny dust
cyan flame
Since as you stated, they can take care of the attacker :p
shut gale
that doesn't change the giga vs trike / rex thing.
shut gale
you can't do 60% of his hp with 4/5 bites and 1 min of bleed
jovial arch
it can't log
cyan flame
Three: Not the number, just the "ticks"
shut gale
why log with any bleed at all....
cyan flame
Since a rex can survive dilo max bleed cause of no damage from the dilo
So it would be "Do I have enough heal/health left that if I rest, I will survive", yes or no
jovial arch
well wait
shut gale
sry i got that person blocked... he dmed me and my IQ droped...
jovial arch
apexes p much don't take damage from bleed
shut gale
rexes especialy
cyan flame
Sure they do
jovial arch
effectively none
cyan flame
Not much, but they do
shut gale
ya only if they move....
cyan flame
Would depend on how badly wounded I think, but yeah.. so, don't hunt big things unless you're another big thing that does damage..
tawny dust
@shut gale ok but i'm talking about combat logging in general not just this giga vs trike/rex thing
shut gale
@tawny dust giga still can't do 40% of their hp .. xD
cyan flame
It's not like a single giga should go after a single rex anyway.. :p
jovial arch
honestly, funsu's idea is still abusable in truth
cyan flame
Or a giga vs a trike
jovial arch
but lethal bleed when sitting doesn't fix the issue either
violet magnet
hella abusable
cyan flame
Rexes are the trike hunters, gigas can do so, in packs, that adds bleed, and damage, and strikes from other directions
What really is the issue? :P
shut gale
still better than what we have rn...
jovial arch
gotta find something better
cyan flame
How often do you guys hunt things it takes you.. 5 minutes of constant attacking to kill, even if the thing is afk?..
jovial arch
not that often
cyan flame
Like.. there's an easy solution here.. hunt what you can kill.. :p
jovial arch
5 min is mostly insurance
plus
another function of bleed is supposed to be tracking
cyan flame
You're basically putting yourself in a situation you can't win deliberately, then complaining about it? :p
jovial arch
it's pretty easy to just run away and log
jovial arch
and bleed is kinda useless for tracking at that point
cyan flame
If bleed did no damage, then tracking would be more of use :p
jovial arch
i've had a lot of things run from me
cyan flame
But if you do enough bleed, and I run, I'll die anyway, resting or not
And if you do little enough, I'll heal that while running, or stop, heal, then keep running :P
jovial arch
i've had a lot of things utterly fail to track me
and then my corpse is just sitting in a bush somewhere
cyan flame
So there's issues with the tracking then.. :p
But that would be another matter I think
jovial arch
but
tracking is usually slow
and can often take more than 1 min
in that case if bleed is supposed to help you track it's useless
cyan flame
I mostly track.. well, tracks :p
But that might be cause of the whole stop and sniff thing, I liked it better when they had the "following" thing going on. Just make tracks last scentwise less, and make bleed more viable/longer range then.. could be interesting
jovial arch
honestly
bleed is useless for tracking rn
it doesn't drop often
isn't often very visible
and often they log out anyway
cyan flame
Bleed is for killing, not tracking, as it is right now :p For good or ill xD
jovial arch
i mean, it's been stated blood is supposed to be for tracking
why else would creatures drop blood
cyan flame
It's also been stated it might not do damage except for one or two critters so :p
jovial arch
there's literally no other conceivable reason
cyan flame
We'll have to see how it all turns out I gues
jovial arch
other than realism
cyan flame
Well.. to show they're bleeding I guess
You do have a use of it to sniff and see if the thing resting there might be bleeding
Unless you want to go up to it and ask.. :p
weary ledge
The aggro mechanism exists in other games. When you attack or are attacked you earn a flag that expires after a while) 10-15min) and during that time you can't safelog and your body won't disappear if you alt f4.
barren zephyr
@glossy copper I don't know if you've been paying attention, but night is pitch black to handle gamma abuse which makes nights way more unfun than pitch blackness does. That's what night vision is for, just tap N.
barren zephyr
@pine shore Wholeheartedly agree that the map is just too big with too few people.
pine shore
Love coming your way
brisk mesa
@timber narwhal but, how do you know it's summer or what hemisphere it's in? It's an island with pine forests, leafed trees and jungle all in the same friggin place, so you can't exactly tell the clime from the foliage since those are things normally separated by thousands of km.
timber narwhal
Yeah I agree, tho my suggestion is based on the time of the year I assume it's in. If it doesn't make sense for the game to have this system of day and night, then alright. ^^ But as of right now the night feels longer than day, since time of the day = dawn, day, dusk, where both of the transitions are still pretty dark.
barren zephyr
Dilo has a weak bite because it inflicts uber bleed.
pine shore
@sweet oasis What's the reason to downvote a combat logging prevention? I'm interested
void kiln
Lera droppin bombs :p preach
sweet oasis
It's been suggested many times before
I would rather not have someone come up and troll me by running over and biting my rex as a little shit dinosaur while I'm trying to log out
pine shore
I mean it should only apply with dinosaurs that actualyl damage you
not juveniles
imagine a juvi utah doing it lmao
void kiln
they could make it tier relative
sweet oasis
It's w/e
pine shore
sick and tired of having kids that look like Tekashi 69xnine man
I want to have a proper pack not some fucked up family
void kiln
lol
sweet oasis
I'm not here to debate it, just to put in my vote
pine shore
Yeah I was just wondering no worries
sweet oasis
It's like... 8am for me
cyan flame
For the food value, I think that was cause of growing trikes to feed yourself/friends, therefor they had to counter that by making trikes not feed that much, to avoid people doing that/feeding megapacks with alt trikes and so on. God only knows why dilo being so fragile and all gives more food than a utah though, that seems a bit odd.. :p I do agree food values could probably be a bit more reasonable, but we need to make sure it can't be used to just feed yourself/friends/megapacks or such.
As for the "combat logging", just no. If you can't kill something sitting still and vunerable for over a minute of constant attacks, you should not hunt that thing to begin with, find something more appropriate. I would however, like to see that if you've taken fatal bleed, as in, you can not rest it off and live even if no one touched you again, that if you still log out, your character either just drops dead, or stays until it bleeds out, since logging when you're certain to die anyway is a bit shitty. I'd rather people be able to log, than be able to be griefed cause something causes 1 damage or 1 bleed and I could probably sit there and heal more than you could inflict, but unable to actually just go away.
As for the skins, I'm pretty sure we'll get some sort of inheritance system, so that kids stop looking like things out of a nightmare xD
pine shore
@slim robin I think something like that is planned with teh affinity system
slim robin
barren zephyr
How do people repost the same suggestions
And assume it makes more sense or sounds better
Combatlogging is not a thing
And resetting the timer is a top troll move but nobody cares because they wanna hunt paras as a utah
violet magnet
"maybe if i take the exact same suggestion but put more words with it it'll sound better"
nah fam
idea is still shitty
it boggles my mind that the people suggesting this over and over don't realize HOW DAMN GRIEFABLE THIS IDEA IS LIKE HAVE YOU BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME FOR ANY TIME AT ALL
cyan flame
Rudy: It depends.. what did you play as?
uncut zenith
i mean it's all sorts
like i'm not talking BIG falls
it's tiny little falls and it's like broken leg almost dead
cyan flame
Well, the thing is, your perception might be a bit off depending on what you play
Which is why I'm asking, since in a few cases, it could look like "only a tiny fall" but it's.. well, pretty long if you'd see it from a human perspective
With that said, I don't know, might be a bit strange at times, I generally try to avoid edges to not risk it to begin with, so I'm not sure on how good/bad things handle falling down. I do know dilo sucks at it.. xD
cyan flame
Hm, well, I can't say much for that, not tried either of them for a while, but even so, consider that they're probably pretty big critters, even as juvies. A small fall could very well be longer "in reality" and that these critters aren't neccesarily built for falling down to begin with. Again, I don't know, I'd need to see the area you fell off to give a better opinion on if it was reasonable to break a leg/die or not, sorry :p
vagrant tundra
I have a question for everyone real quick. Does anyone else have their mouse cursor show up while playing the game, without a menu opened? Say you're looking around, and the cursor appears on the borders of your screen, interfering with your immersion or maybe catching your attention randomly. It just pops up as if I'm trying to exit the window when I have no menus open. But I don't know if this happens to other people.
Is this a known issue?
mystic dome
I use night to survive on Juvies without being seen and ran down. Its not completely useless
limpid hornet
Yes, and some more HP, because it dies so fast now, while it's still heavire than Allo
leaden night
It never was never heavier in-game
Sucho is built to be the mid-tier bulli that "Cerato rex" was before it was reworked
It does a very poor job at right now and nerfing it even more wouldn't help it
Utah doesn't need a buff
leaden night
Because its the simple best survivor out of any carnivore
It can run from all of its problems along with being able to easily juke Carno
limpid hornet
I think it just needs a pounce
leaden night
It's getting one
lament thorn
With alt turn Utah can still kill a Rex
limpid hornet
But one thing now that needs a buff is cera
leaden night
Yep
Sucho as well
The needless damage nerf makes it get destroyed by Allos even more
lament thorn
I think the ceratos stats haven't been figured out yet?
And well Sucho is iffy since he's waiting on his mechanics
leaden night
Especially since it didn't get any better bleed heal or res
Cerato's stats are figured out
The fucker just won't get his speed buff
limpid hornet
cerato needs to be a bit slower and a bit stronger than allo.
leaden night
Nah
The whole point of the rework was to make it weaker and faster
It only became one of those two
leaden night
^^^^^^^^
limpid hornet
Maybe... re-add old cera and rename to genyodectes that crea that is now
lament thorn
it's hunger drain needs to be nerfed so it can actually be a scavenger
jovial skiff
Suchomimus is in a weird spot right now
leaden night
No its in a bad spot
jovial skiff
its basically replacing the Old Cerato bully until fish is added but it sucks at bullying lol
poor succ boi
never will bitch slap allos
violet magnet
-
utah is just fine where it is, what it can't fight it can run away from and it's very easy to grow and maintain
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cerato needs good bleed res to be able to have any chance against allos, suchos, and carnos, AND be faster than it is right now
warm ridge
We need a sucho buff that's what
waxen elk
Buff it and it will dominate the world
jovial skiff
Herbivores tbh need a buff
most of them
the only good herbs really right now is galli
and trike
civic sky
galli, dryo, and trike are pretty much the only ones worth going for imo. Para used to be good but got the nerf hammer a bit too hard.
jovial skiff
ye
once a herbivore becomes to "strong"
it gets nerfed to oblivion
I remember when Diablo was strong when first added to survival
violet magnet
can't have herbivores that can actually defend themselves against 90% of the playerbase carnivores, now, can we? 
jovial skiff
we can hehehe
manic ibex
Really good idea Ghostway
cursive wind
@violet magnet i would argue that utah should definitly remain un nerfed. the power that utahs get from their speed and agility, is quickly broken down as utah pack grows in size and food grows more scarce. the utahs stomach size is small and it has to eat...OFTEN. this means that it doesnt take long for a utah pack to start to starve off VERY quickly if they cant find other player dinos to snack on
fathom tulip
@sweet oasis But what if people don’t want to be FORCED to use night vision?
I hate the night vision and would rather just try and see in the dark than use it
It’s super ugly to me
It just doesn’t feel like realistic “night vision”
It feels like the Dinos are putting on military night vision goggles
violet magnet
because the gamma exploit and ReShade give people unfair advantages at night when your vision should be impaired
cursive wind
@fathom tulip i dont feel like hes trying to make it seem like its being forced, but rather to make it feel more natural. lions, cats dont arbitrially swap between night vision while hunting in the dark...their vision just becomes night vision in the dark
fathom tulip
Yeah but there’s no way it looks that ugly...
cursive wind
i agree the night vision could use a graphical overhaul.
fathom tulip
Their eyes just absorb more light right? So shouldn’t it just not get as dark?
cursive wind
well i mean they have a reflective layer in their eyes that re-reflect light that wasnt absorbed the first time to help them absorb more light in low light conditions.... so yeah they absorb more light, as far as how it actually looks to them i have no clue
just be glad we dont get frog night vision.
they see everything like their watching a computer screen play a movie but the pc is having a stroke so they only get 5 frames every 4 seconds
fathom tulip
Yeah that would be awful lol
And I know a lot of people disagree with me here but
I feel like night time just shouldn’t be as dark and night vision shouldn’t be a thing
It just feels a bit gimmicky anyways
I mean what other games have night times where you literally can’t see anything?
barren zephyr
Lots
fathom tulip
I’ve been outside in the woods and by a lake before at night with no light around, it’s not pitch black
The moon lights up the area nicely actually
cursive wind
that only happens if they moon is showing
and the level of light produced by moonlight is variable by night
brisk mesa
Ok but just because other games have shit game design
doesnt mean this one needs to jump off the proverbial bridge
in regards to nightime being a pain in the ass
Name me 1 multiplayer survival game that does Nightime right.
To where it's enjoyable, and people aint bitchin constantly.
I think the Forest is the only one, when co-op is considered
barren zephyr
^
violet magnet
the nightvision is great for survival/horror, which is what Isle is meant to be
keen crypt
It's a hard balance to nail. You often get night time in games being either pitch black and no fun or too bright to the point it doesn't have a purpose.
violet magnet
but sure i hate it too
violet magnet
just annoying
fathom tulip
Whenever it’s night time in the isle I just sit in a bush till day..
wintry cipher
@tawny dust I think you see why utahs rage so much about logout in combat now.
fathom tulip
It’s just boring
violet magnet
if it's too dark it'll stop most of the gamma exploiters from using the gamma cheat but also be a hassle, but if it's too bright nightvision becomes pointless
keen crypt
I'd rather take night being too bright over it being too dark, at least then you can still play.
fathom tulip
I’d honestly rather nightvision be pointless and it not be there
wintry cipher
and in regards to this: people who use reshade will be at an advantage again
wintry cipher
id rather night not be super dark so everyones on the same playing field
fathom tulip
So I can actually have fun with the games at all times
brisk mesa
have night be super fucking dark for humans and tribals
the 'horror' aspect of Isle
but let dinos see perfectly fine.
Just give Dilo a buff to ambush, turn rate and stamina regen at night
So they are actual 'night' hunters
cyan flame
Hm.. that would be interesting.. change in behaviour/ability rather than just vision..
cyan flame
You know, go make a suggestion on that, want to see what you come up with
cyan flame
And I know you can do that well so :p
minor basalt
Have dilos be like sluggish and tired during the day
brisk mesa
Ye
minor basalt
Then active at night
brisk mesa
Hold on lemme do that rq
keen crypt
No please don't make them like Ark Megs
minor basalt
i mean it wouldn't be as drastic as ark megs obviously
cyan flame
Oh, are those bad? I've never played the game, but I liked the concept when I heard about it, it seemed like an interesting way to make something different :p
keen crypt
Interesting concept but handled so badly the dino is useless
Can't stay awake for more than a few minutes during the day
cyan flame
Fair, I don't know how they did it, I just know of the concept itself :p
But if the concept itself can work, I'm sure we can work out a decent balance for it
keen crypt
Agreed, but I feel it'll be something hard to balance when put into practice
brisk mesa
Ark Meg is garbage XD
cursive wind
i would maybe make it so that a dino's visibilty is affected by times of day, and perhaps their stam levels, so as it gets closer to night time the dillo gets clearer vision and superior low-loight vision, and their stam is higher, but aas daytime approaches their max stam lowers and their visbility is made less advantagous
brisk mesa
I feel changing actually stamina is a recipe for disaster.
That's why it would be a rate / speed thing, so let's say it's night, well a Dilo might recovery stamina every 2 sec when trotting compared to 4 in day, for example. Or your ambush mult in daytime is 1.1 (aka current worthless shiiit) but at night you could ambush a goddamn Utah, or Carno that gets close
barren zephyr
@ionic summit this discord server doesnt pertain to any realism/semi realism servers
ionic summit
Ik but I just wanted to bring it forward, because this discord is the community and those servers are still apart of the community @barren zephyr
barren zephyr
@sweet oasis I'm really not a fan of automatic night vision. Surely there is another way to fix the gamma exploit.
The night in the isle is beautiful to look at with the stars and Aurora, when you watch streams from new players often the first thing they comment on is how amazing the sky looks at night.
Auto Nightvision would ruin this experience. I wonder if there is another way to fix gamma? Someone suggested adding a thin fog at night, I wonder if that would work?
severe sequoia
glossy copper
Just let people rely on their choice of skin colors for night time camo and get rid of the unrealistic night darkness, or if you dont plan to add normal nights again get rid of the NV eye shine as there is no light to make our eyes shine. Cant have the shine without light.
glossy copper
low light not the absence of
violet magnet
maybe the nightvision could be adjusted based on how much light is around...? So you'd be able to go into human bases at night without being blinded?
and a flash of bright light when you have "full nightvision" on could blind you for a few seconds
glossy copper
The current night time puts off zero light thus the eye shine makes no sense.
violet magnet
the moon's still out...
glossy copper
But in the current state it gives off 0 light, so whats your point?
glossy copper
All of which do not add light as they should. Thanks for helping prove my point. 😄
barren zephyr
Cant you at least see a bit w/o nv?
violet magnet
the moon, stars, and auroras don't give off any light because they're .png graphical assets in a game level
the glowing eyes is for aesthetics
glossy copper
omg excuses
barren zephyr
Huh, thought it was possible to see other things at night w/o NV, of course with very reduced visibility, but still
violet magnet
the "sun" is a .png light source; the real "sun", and every other light source in the game, is a spotlight
glossy copper
Nope, nothing.
barren zephyr
Anyways, a small little aesthetic detail shouldn't even be so much of a debate topic
glossy copper
It is when it helps things hunt with NV in a night with 0 light.
Plus makes absolutely no sense.
glossy copper
That image doesnt help.
Cause thats low light, not 100% absence of light.
major difference.
glossy copper
No. Its 0 light.
Low light would be mean some light not the absence of.
Literally have to explain how light and dark works...
leaden night
The whole reason its pitch black is to keep people from turning up gamma
violet magnet
literally have to explain game aesthetics
glossy copper
Who cares if people gamma exploit? Why take away half the day cycle to combat a small issue. XD
leaden night
Because it invalidates Dilo
glossy copper
Okay, and 1 dino vs many isnt an issue.
leaden night
Who cares about how good your NV if everyone can see fine at night
brisk mesa
Then buff Dilo to function outside of night
glossy copper
^
Boom
Thats a solution and it doesnt make night time unplayable for 90% of the player base. Of course Dilo fanboys will be all for this but you dont need pitch black nights to be good as a dilo, if so I'm sorry.
violet magnet
pitch black nights are a thing so people won't be able to use the gamma exploit or ReShade to see at night when they otherwise wouldn't be able to
glossy copper
Pick good skin colors and learn to blend better. Quit blaming "gamma exploiters" when you die as a neon green dino,
leaden night
Thunk
violet magnet
it doesn't JUST invalidate dilo, it makes it so you're literally a sitting duck at night because the gamme exploiter can see you, but you can't see them
leaden night
Dilo's whole shmuck is being a nocturnal hunter
Hence the problem if everyone can see well at night
violet magnet
gamma exploiters being able to see well at night is a problem for everyone who doesn't use the exploit
barren zephyr
If you remove dilo's enhanced NV as well, you can't hunt what you can't fucking see
brisk mesa
We aren't saying that.
We are saying, make night actually something use-able for everyone
that's dino, of course
leaden night
Eh
brisk mesa
But give Dilo love to compensate
leaden night
I thought the other guy was just complaining about the unrealistic nature of the pitch black night
barren zephyr
They should make it pitch black inside forests and canyons and somewhat lighter in the open. Dilo is a forest hunter so it would still have its role.
violet magnet
it went from game aesthetics vs realism to dilo to gamma exploiters
brisk mesa
Outlaw has a good idea
glossy copper
Exactly, I dont want dilo to be useless but I dont want to be either.
manic ibex
If Dilo was a forest hunter, it would not have so bad of an agility
violet magnet
region 2 flashbacks
glossy copper
Because the all pertain to night, keep up grievous
clever leaf
dilos turn radius rn doesnt really make sense for the type of playstyle it should be
brisk mesa
^^^^^
manic ibex
Dilo's turn is at old Herrera level
clever leaf
#makediloturnnotshit
crystal turret
bleed is too powerful for it to have a strong turn don't you think? I'd rather see them slightly up its speed than make it turn on a dime.
leaden night
No
crystal turret
otherwise it will just bite anything anywhere and outbleed the target
glossy copper
Heck the could render dilos useless during the day by making their screens so bright they cant function, then it would be equal to the rest not seeing at night 😄
brisk mesa
Carno out bleeds Dilo.
clever leaf
also, utah still has speed and jump over it
brisk mesa
He turns like shit but is speedy af
leaden night
Carno can't turn for shit
clever leaf
dilo cant either tbh...
brisk mesa
Dilo cant turn for shit
leaden night
Allo outbleeds and turns better
brisk mesa
True
leaden night
While being larger
clever leaf
dilo kinda needs love and i'm not even being bias. it's sort of underwhelming with the turn
tbf carno bad turn is warranted because otherwise it'd invalidate most smaller shit
but dilo bad turn? imho not warranted really
violet magnet
dilo's in a good spot right now, just needs better turning
clever leaf
yeah it'd be good if its turn was better
crystal turret
should ignore all carni issues until we reach a point where 1 in 10 players is a herb. Right now it has to be a 1 in 50 ratio
violet magnet
or we could...balance everything right now so people will want to play herbs
the lack of herbs is more a problem with the players favoring the carnivore lifestyle, not with herbs themselves
stuck bison
Kinda can't balance everything when not everything is in the game yet
manic ibex
there is enough dino in survival right now to set a general balance
then add things later
crystal turret
It's more than just playstyle. there's no denying that carnis are more engaging, but we have 'aggressive' herbs too which no one plays because aside from triceratops, every herb is a walking value meal
and triceratops can be outrun by everything
pure copper
Is Stego planned ?
crystal turret
someone yesterday said yes because they have a new model planned for it coming 'soon'
manic ibex
some says that the next dinos to come into survival are spino and stego
crystal turret
how will spino differ from sucho :/
leaden night
Uh
pure copper
Body shape and lifestyle
manic ibex
idk, I don't see the point of Spino in the first place
violet magnet
it'll be a terrestrial hunter
pure copper
They’re remodeling spino
pure copper
add camara I mean shant
civic sky
i'm concerned it doesn't get the para treatment, decent at first then nerfed to oblivion
crystal turret
shant would be fine
pure copper
Which did startlingly well in injection
violet magnet
theri
manic ibex
I want Theri to slash and bleed things to death, but I don't think it is considered an apex herb
pure copper
Apex herb is a-relative term anyway
civic sky
i prefer titan
manic ibex
that's why I add "herb"
pure copper
You’re talking about a 5 ton animal with knives for hands
manic ibex
Is anky considered an apex tier herb? it's so small
leaden night
Yes
civic sky
it is
pure copper
Not small just short
leaden night
Anky is dense
violet magnet
violet magnet
"not an apex"
cyan flame
That is a big danger floof.. :p
pure copper
Ironically shants actually bigger than Camara Rn
cyan flame
Tiny camaras :D
brisk mesa
getting hit by all those claws
is over 2 thousand damage
triple swipe
6 thousand damage
manic ibex
ofc it does. it has claws, meant for slashing. Dealing direct damage with claws is odd
leaden night
No
leaden night
Theriz needs 10 bleed per claw
civic sky
anky actually isn't small, atleast based on how you look at it. It was a very short but very long and flat dino which actually made it harder to kill even for rex.
leaden night
manic ibex
I mean replace direct damage by bleed
brisk mesa
30 bleed a hit
leaden night
@civic sky Anky isn't that long. The body shape is just hard to bite
leaden night
Buff Anky turn radius
leaden night
^
civic sky
the turn doesn't need a buff, that's what balances it out should it ever be added
pure copper
So if shant gets put in will it get a-remodel
civic sky
can you imagine how hard it would be to kill it with locational damage.
leaden night
Yes
pure copper
I feel sorry for any mid tier that dares look at them the wrong way
Saw a few get chased down when they were injected lol
violet magnet
anky bleed resist better be the best in the entire fucking game, tho
pure copper
I will have you know this lad has the best bleed resist
civic sky
on that, i can agree or atleast one of the top three not including strains
civic sky
old idea i believe but could still be the plan too
dapper mirage
@manic ibex Quetz was never in sandbox
I mean, it was, but it was in an experimental branch for only a brief period of time.
Not the actual main game.
clever leaf
@prime shadow Stegosaurus ... may be next idk. They revealed just a little bit of its new model.
jovial skiff
@ionic summit thats basically Giga but giga can't fight a Rex 1v1 I think once spino is in it could fight it but other than that Idk
ionic summit
It isn’t a giga tho
jovial skiff
Giga is a "allo on steroids"
ionic summit
It’s lighter and more nimble and hunted in packs
jovial skiff
Giga is gonna be the hunter of sauropods too
ionic summit
Read it
It’s a hell of a lot faster than the giga, weighs less, and is bigger in size
manic ibex
Do you think your Giga clone worth 7,000 dollars? because that's what it would costs.
jovial skiff
jtoomey u basically describe what giga is
brisk mesa
Why add Mapu
jovial skiff
^
jovial skiff
brisk mesa
That's extra redundant
jovial skiff
I forgot Acro existed
brisk mesa
Not only is it a mini Giga
jovial skiff
for a second
unborn quail
Mapu is actually bigger then Giga now but who cares about that
brisk mesa
¯_(ツ)_/¯
unborn quail
We have enough Carcharodontosaurids as is
We don't need more
Giga is enough for survival k thx
jovial skiff
yep
ionic summit
I clearly stated that this would be a down the road idea
unborn quail
Not mention, But we will have Allosaurus, Spinosaurus, and Sucho for all of our arm combat related needs
More so on Sucho and Spino.
jovial skiff
btw how does Mapu a sauropod hunter be a competitor of a Rex a brawler.
they have seperate prey
not including corpse fights but lets not get into it plz
unborn quail
That's kinda all it would be, as it will be for everything else
Fighting over corpses
leaden night
Via not being a sauropod hunter because sauropods are nigh invincible after a certain size point Mapu more like better Gigay
Or worse Gigay
unborn quail
Take Suchomimus for example
It usually eats fish
It spots an Allo with a dead maia?
If it feels like it, Why not challenge for the body
boom competition over corpses
Though this idea is better translated for two Ceratosaurus
brisk mesa
Nah the Ceratos eat eachother.
ionic summit
They’re competitors to the Rex because they travel in packs of up to 7
unborn quail
I mean more so two ceratos and a allo Watt
jovial skiff
who said theirs a pack limit
brisk mesa
Ah...
brisk mesa
Imagine, 7 Acros
unborn quail
Yeah that's asking for issues
ionic summit
I’m talking real research 🤦🏻♂️
unborn quail
There's a reason Apexes can't pack that high as is
Realism has no bounds here when it comes to packing and socializing
brisk mesa
Gameplay>Realism
unborn quail
cough cough Utah
brisk mesa
Always
jovial skiff
Realism does not apply in this realm
unborn quail
It only applies when it comes to basic anatomy, and that's still very loosely interpreted
ionic summit
Obviously strict rules would be implemented for them. In packs like that they would only be allowed to hunt sauropods.
jovial skiff
uh...
unborn quail
Those are the exact rules realism servers use to chase away people
jovial skiff
so ur controlling what they hunt is what your saying
manic ibex
sauropods hunting is already planned for Giga omg
unborn quail
And that too^
ionic summit
It’s a down the road idea, not a immediately add it to the game idea
random knoll
did someone say realism
manic ibex
no, that's just not a good idea.
unborn quail
It's still an idea that has no reason to be added
jovial skiff
either way Giga is still gonna be a sauropod hunter
sure their might be a mod
but
unborn quail
Now, as an Echo fighter/ Alternate skin?
pure copper
Sauropod hunting is pretty much gonna be an option for any theropod with enough bleed , speed and patience tbh
unborn quail
Sure why not
unborn quail
It's not like Mapu and giga had big appearance differences anyways
umbral prairie
they will probably (and hopefully ) start adding very similar dinosaurs (like a corytho or mapu maybe ) once the game is finished, they shouldn't work on things like these in the near future
ionic summit
Not really because I’m sure bleed is gonna be nerfed at some point during or before sauropods, and sauropods hit like trucks
pure copper
Why would they add Cory and mapu
unborn quail
DOT bleed will still remain for bleeders
ionic summit
@umbral prairie I completely agree
unborn quail
Giga and Allo for example
jovial skiff
but anyways
umbral prairie
hopefully it makes bleed something more than just dot
unborn quail
It would be nice for it to be more then just DOT, but completely removing the DOT aspect would negate Allo and Giga
So expect that factor to stay
umbral prairie
it should be able to kill you eventually but it shouldn't make you one hit for small dinos because your health is low, that's just dumb
unborn quail
Mhm
ionic summit
Yes a rework of bleed, but for certain Dino’s it will be a nerf and then for others it will probably be a buff. Can go both ways
unborn quail
I would like to see a day where Bleed damage is heavily impacted by sitting, nothing annoys a player more then dying of bleed after a hard fight
umbral prairie
maybe have a blood stat ( showing your blood in liters maybe? ) , and as it drains your stam depletes faster and your attacks get slower (or your dino in general ) and once it passes a critical level you die
would make more sense that a sitting sub rex that just bled getting one bitten by a utah
unborn quail
Who knows, at this point in time.
Right now, I just want a certain patch to be fixed
pine shore
Some of these suggestions are sooo far into the future
jovial skiff
@echo marsh btw Sucho is a fisher not a swimmer. Spinosaurus is gonna be a terrestrial ass kicker but I think we saw a Hypo Spinosaurus have a great swimming anim
pine shore
like suggesting to add new dinosaurs lma
I think there's more important stuff to adress than that
brisk mesa
Nova, things could just be done like like Chimi said.
pine shore
fucking hell 😂
unborn quail
Yes please
brisk mesa
Imagine if everything just had 0.1 when resting?
Unless seriously injured
you're p guaranteed to sit and survive
unborn quail
Your forced in a vulnerable state, but you won't lose hours of work because some pesky utah decided to stack as much bleed as possible on you before dying
umbral prairie
maybe bleed will get a little rework after collision and locational are there
or just get added with those two
pure copper
So is location damage going to work like : more damage to the head than anywhere else ?
umbral prairie
I'd say more damage to neck than everything else
clever leaf
mapusaurus is literally a carbon copy of giga
pine shore
@crystal turret Make sure you put stuff like that in here, not in #general-feedback itself
crystal turret
yup, thought I Was here
sorry
But I have to agree with the suggestion of night time. I know the point is for the game to be realistic and you introduced Dilos that are designed around night time combat but the vast majority of people do nothing at night. They hunker down and afk regardless of thirst or hunger. There has to be some middle ground that can be reached that doesn't disadvantage dilos and doesn't provide players with brightness and shader controls to ignore it.
Something from low light and literally building a 'fog of war' in a circle around all dinos but dilos would work. Simply redesigning dilos would work
unborn wraith
bleed icon has been changed
pearl yoke
I would play herbis more if interspecies communication was a thing
valid zephyr
it used to be
jovial arch
Bleed damage is heavily affected by sitting tho
leaden night
@lone crypt Alt-turn
jovial arch
You take massively reduced damage
lone crypt
@leaden night not all servers have that enabled, you realize that, right
leaden night
Those servers don't matter though
It's like complaining that Theriz is too strong in sandbox
Plus nerfing an already pathetic animal is a bit much isn't it
normal fern
@lone crypt Officials do and that's all that matters
lone crypt
oh
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr night and day are same length
I would be okay with shorter nights but I'm kinda hoping once tribals are added that the blackness will be lit up somewhat by campfires and I can see a line of torches from tribals traveling back to camp because they didnt make it back before nightfall.
@barren zephyr That's the point. Night FEELS longer because you're doing less. Seeing less, exploring less, moving less in general if you're not a dilo. Night should be cut in half so it isn't such a drag to get through. 🤷
or
it should be a thriller horror survival game
and night should be black and kept how it is
I have no problem with night being black
but the point is because night is as long as it is, it feels long and boring. it's not a thriller or a horror of an experience. most people sit down and hide or log off for night time.
frozen quarry
I love nights as a dilo 😄
barren zephyr
"it feels long and boring"
go outside at night with out any technology
it feels the same
night is long and boring
so log out or sit there and hide
This is a video game
where night will be important
find water
find food
and buckle in
v i d e o g a m e. Also nightfall in real life isn't the same length as daylight lol.
why should I buckle in and do nothing when I want to be p l a y i n g.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LOG OFFFF
because it's do-nothing time
V i D e O g A m E
i dont log out
There's no reason night shouldn't be significantly shorter.
3/4 at most
I'm sure you AFK in a bush :)
travelling the map based off the of nsew is ina bush
Don't get me wrong. I don't hate night time and I'm glad it's pitch black so we have to use night vision. But there's a lot less to enjoy about the game when night is as long and dark as it is.
well then log out
give somone who wants the spot in
lmao
That's not a solution. Why are you so against a shorter night lmao. It doesn't take anything away from the game to cut the time it's pitch black when most people just park it.
im against u saying make it half
because thats just bitching
when they tested night it was 40mins of night n 20 of day
n people complained less
I think it's reasonable, but that doesn't mean suggestions can't be improved upon.
and I'm sure when they tested night it wasn't pitch black, either.
the problem with making night half as long is its like
literally cutting dilos power in half
most of dilos advantage is its suprise attacks
at night
dilo is pretty lackluster otherwise
uneven sluice
night will be more interesting as the game advances.
barren zephyr
Dilo is playable at any hour. Just ambush bleed and don't get caught. 🤷
uneven sluice
dilo's ability is night vision
barren zephyr
dilo has a garbage ambush
Where anywhere does it explicitly state their plans for night or for anything. Just because it will be interesting ~sometime~ doesn't mean it is now.
dont get caught
you cant just say dont get caught
I can play dilo fine if I'm not reckless. But that's not the point.
manic ibex
Dilo's ambush last decently long, but the speed modifier is 1.1.
barren zephyr
Maybe half time is extreme but to adamantly oppose a shorter night alone is ridiculous lmao
barren zephyr
id rather be used to how night is when it becomes important
That doesn't make it enjoyable.
instead of seeing people cry about it when it becomes relvent
and not talking about the actual changes
its not meant o be enjoyable
its meant to be this long
Devs said they were still working on NV. if NV is improved maybe nights will be better.
G A M E.
"cerato is trash but it's MEANT to be trash. it's not supposed to be enjoyable" doesn't have the same ring to it, hm.
dreamy wharf
Night-time serves as a time for danger and suspense in the most cringiest of terms. Do you really want it to be day-time 90% of the time and it get really boring really fast?
barren zephyr
also have u always felt this way about night
dreamy wharf
I mean, night-time can turn the most one sided of fights into an even fight.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
barren zephyr
cerato isnt meant to be trash
There is no danger and suspense at night for most people. It's a time to wait, especially if you're not hunting.
its getting stat adjustments
this is a fact
manic ibex
I'll be ok if night time was made half day time. And I'm speaking as a filthy Dilo main. As long as it's dark enough I'm ok.
barren zephyr
I like the night but I see his point. Night time is supposed to be scary as hell but at the moment it's not. Until we get a large nocturnal apex or some creepy cannibal it really isn't scary at all. It is the safest time in the game.
making night shorter doesnt solve that issue
uneven sluice
Some dinos may have thermal vision and night time might be the PERFECT time
barren zephyr
people will log because of the scary thing
uneven sluice
who knows. just lowering the night time wont do anything but please you.
barren zephyr
Titanboa thermal would be sweet devs
uneven sluice
Magna rex should have it
manic ibex
Magnaraptor will have thermal "vision" apparently
dreamy wharf
Dilo not being a free meal to larger things that can out turn it for some reason wen.
jovial arch
wow fuck
im trying to run the numbers to make pachy vs carno work
with pachy actually having a chance
and uh
it's not working
150 dmg/25 bleed is really frickin high
jovial arch
yeah
it really only needed 100/20
150/25 didn't really help it vs utah and dilo
just made it even more overwhelming vs the herbis
which is not really what we needed
wintry cipher
it turned it into a faster allo
wintry cipher
and allo got buffed into giga territory
jovial arch
o
wintry cipher
when dilo and some other small preds cant
that means megapacks of allos will be a thing
jovial arch
well
manic ibex
any stuff in particular?
jovial arch
i'm about to post a suggestion about pachy
i think ima get thrown the fuck out
but it actually makes a lot of sense
white torrent
I was gonna say something about sizes
Particularly or two guys, that didn’t quite make it in the Apex auditions
Suchomimus, and Acrocathosaurus
The topic being. Why is sucho to smol? And why is ACRO SO FRIGGIN BIG
wraith trout
manic ibex
go ahead
white torrent
These two, are really good to base our not quite apex boys on, size wise
You can see that the acro is the hunter and fighter of the two, as he’s slightly taller, and longer than the sucho
But the size isn’t that much more noticeable
Rn is WHACK
*its
I’m not saying make the sucho able to fight acro, at all
They acro can totally crap on sucho, or they can have something similar to the allo cerato relationship
manic ibex
well, sucho is in survival. Meaning that its stats and models were updated. Acro is not in survival. So comparing the two is not really ok
white torrent
I’m not asking for a whole model change
Keep the model, it’s gorgeous(besides the back spines..those are bleh)
And it’s very accurate proportionally
But all I’m asking for is a size alteration
white torrent
Eh, the lips are a blah, I don’t care for them but they get the job done
severe walrus
the acro or sucho
white torrent
Both!
severe walrus
o
white torrent
The sucho’s new model is HOT
severe walrus
yea
white torrent
It’s smackin lol
manic ibex
it's also gonna have new animations
white torrent
Ik
Hopefully they don’t end up like the cerato..
The cerato has good idle and locomotion stuff
severe walrus
cerato is in a good place
white torrent
But the call animations..
white torrent
Oh golly, those need major polishing
I’m not talking about stats for cerato. All it needs it a speed buff, the animations for the calls need work is all im saying
barren zephyr
@severe walrus "ina good place"
juvie cerato is still cerato rex
@wraith trout you using that example makes me think of 4 dilos all on a rock 2 calling constantly
and i dislike it now
white torrent
Juvi cerato should I still bully around juvi rex
Juvi rex is a Lynx, sub rex is a leopard, trex is a lion
Weak, strong, hella strong
Think of it like that
jovial arch
wait a minute
to whoever was reading my suggestion
i did my math wrong
it's all wrong
shit
barren zephyr
BAHAH
verbal acorn
No way that fisher jaw is remotely comparable to the Acro’s jaw, bite, damage area.
The Sucho could be tanky because of its size, but damage wise, it should only be a threat to significantly smaller prey.
The Sucho is just a big, toothy duck!
junior jacinth
Sucho is subjected to change in stats once swimming and fishing mechanics are in. It's just a place holder for it as of now.
true haven
@crystal turret they planned it already but unsure when , their plan is to make all the hitbox have the collision so u can really bit in the precise location no more invisible hitbox , i think they can implement it with the new body dragging on the way , the body dragging really adding a physic to the body according to the dev
inner osprey
