general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

And if it is that dark, then it's not very playable, so that's the issue

[keen shell]

players had a choice stay in the jungle at night or move to a more open area so they could see.. now they dont need to make that choice and can continue to hide in a bush or can run away using the forest as cover basically making night time pointless im not sure how you gents dont get that

the idea it was not playable was wrong it limited players and made them have to choose

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure how you don't get that I think you should be able to still utilize the forest, even at night, be it moving through it or hiding away at some point. Limited to me means you can still utilize it well enough to make it playable, not that it's so bad that you have to leave or else see nothing but a black screen (and it was that bad, at least my NV was). I should not have to move out to the plains to see well enough to play in the first place.

Either option should work, and have its advantages and disadvantages, nothing strange with that. You see less in the forest, but you're hidden. You see more in the plains, but everyone else can see you too. It should not be that you can't be in the forest at all, or be so limited in there that you might as well log or go afk, that's all.

[keen shell]

you can still use the forest to hide just make sure its a good spot then wait till daylight animals dont stay awake for 24 hours strait. as a dilo you lay low in the day and at night you become active i dont see why people need the game to be easier... and it is that to be made easier for them

pot seem more your style imo its more arcade then survival

[cyan flame]

I'm not entirely sure why I would like PoT over the Isle when they're quite different in approach and mechanics. Wanting a usable NV does not mean I enjoy arcade over survival in the slightest. Sure, irl animals sleep, but this is a game, which you're meant to play. Unless you want them to add a sleep meter and mechanic, in which case sure, then there's something to actually do and take into account. But just waiting isn't playing, and so I don't see the point in that. Seems like you just want players to log or sit in a remote corner afk at night, which means you get even less interaction with anyone else. Dilo can function perfectly fine in daytime, you don't need to log or go afk because you can't see anything. Perhaps we should enforce NV then, so dilo players at day have to stay deep in the forests or in caves to not be blinded?

[limber hull]

dilo still

• sees better at night than anyone else
• gets buffs to its primary hunting method at night
• is far more adaptable to poor weather/lighting conditions that may make it more difficult to see

if the only advantage you can think of to make dilo good is to make the opponent blind, then dilo isn't good

[normal shuttle]

Just make dilo viable bro 💔

And not a gamble feast or famine one trick pony dinosaur

[pliant elm]

Dilo needs a rework to have more interaction with its prey and also to be much more quieter

[normal shuttle]

Quieter if it gets a rework

Since the noise it makes now is key for its balance alongside the agility

Pretty much forced to ambush (especially at night) or have opponents trading when they shouldn’t

[foggy field]

@blissful oasis big juvie/small sub rex is more like a carno on steroids a pursuit predator

[vital laurel]

@blissful oasis rex is only really meant to be a ambush hunter during later stages, i think

they always said rex was meant to play very differently throught their life

[normal jasper]

@blissful oasis if you run in straight line he can’t catch you you keep turning for some reason and u still have half stam you no need to stop

[vital laurel]

im not sure about that tbh

[foggy field]

Nah rex gets 57km at a certain point

[normal jasper]

But that broken right how raptor or Dilo suppose to survive vs 57kmh

[coarse spruce]

Dilo is likely tyrant food, raptor is gonna have to break out dryo-style jukes. Shouldn't have to though. Nerf the speed

[foggy field]

Omni can jump on something, dilo can only fight back and pray

[vital laurel]

broken as in there is a bug? No
Broken as in the balance is rubbish? Yeah

[blissful oasis]

he was quicker than me

[normal jasper]

I understand

[normal jasper]

There good balance

Juvie Rex keep speed if he no able to use crush that make him balance. It mean he can’t pin must bite prey to death and prey can escape by dodging

[vital laurel]

rex can crush though?

removing crush for young rex instead of making it slower is like pulling the breaker instead of turning the stove off

[normal jasper]

Good for balance for juvie Rex

[vital laurel]

what?

what is?

[normal jasper]

Remove crush juvie Rex

[vital laurel]

.

his crush has been balanced a good bit, its not some super weapon for juvi, it becomes and issue when he is fast and bigger(but still youngish) so if you remove him being fast than its fine and you dont need to make special kits for each age

[wooden agate]

yeah my experience growing rex recently, im not too concerned for dilos/omnis

[normal jasper]

But I like juvie Rex fast it make him different than sub Rex and adult Rex it make him very fun to play and unique Dan other playable

[wooden agate]

by the time rex can pin them (assuming they have full stam/health/bleed, i believe the requirement is 70% now?) its already starting to slow down a decent chunk

[vital laurel]

you just keep saying the same thing over and over

rex fast good

[wooden agate]

i also like fast rex

i prefer juvie rex gameplay to adult rex gameplay to be completely honest

[normal jasper]

Yess

[vital laurel]

I dont mind a faster rex, but we have juvi rex being a F1 car

and the rest are Ladas

[vital laurel]

yeah but the issue is more sub rex and sub dilo i think

espcially since a dilo will be a lot more grown

[normal jasper]

Subrex no very fast sub Rex 35kmh maybe 39kmh murder sprint

[wooden agate]

sub dilo is faster than adult dilo no?

[normal jasper]

Yes

[wooden agate]

or did i read something wrong

pretzel i'll be so honest i'm kinda drunk you need to dumb things down for me rn

[vital laurel]

yes but it gets pinned

its fater than 47.5 km/h, its not faster than 57 km/h

[wooden agate]

oh yarg

[foggy field]

@long edge elder cerato speed was nerfed its no longer faster them teno

[long edge]

good, i'll edit my feedback then. I haven't seen any patch notes for it so I wasn't sure what they'd been stealth changing

[wooden agate]

i feel like there may be a multitude of issues that make this a problem rather than specifically rex

dilos lack of stealth for one in its sub+ stages absolutely murders it half the time

if dilo had the ability to actually be stealthy while sub (and even adult, to be honest) id be more okay with this

[vital laurel]

i mean sub dilo lived just fine(ignore carno) until this thing showed up

The more grown dino should usally be the one that survives better, imo, so its kinda weird that a barely sub adult rex can hunt down a almost adult dilo

[wooden agate]

wouldnt more stealth directly give it more opportunity to survive (and hunt) though?

i think dilo surviving decently well before is just because it didnt have much that was actually faster than it except carno which noteably, as you mention, rocked dilos world

[foggy field]

Its now 39km at 2.1 tons

Adult allo at 2.6 tons is faster them elder cerato at 2.1

Its funny

[wooden agate]

i think in general moving dilo into more of a stealth animal that relies on staying somewhat hidden for most of its time growing wouldnt be bad

now i dont mean hidden off on a corner of the map, you can still be very active in the ecosystem whilst being stealthy, i think troodon is a good example of this

just a different way to survive, being more proactive instead of reactive

(and one that i think would compliment dilos hunting style as well)

[long edge]

tbh idk why we upped cera weight anyways, i think it would've been fine to stay at 1.3-1.6 and kept allo a couple km slower than it. Just give it an extra weight multiplier around bodies so it can't get pinned(it can already punch up disproportionately well)

Easier solution that avoids having to rebalance half the roster and give space for other carnivores intended to be around 2 tons. I also am sad that teno is being shrunk and I believe it is in part due to that change.

[cursive badge]

good idea, in theory, but we all know hiding in a bush isn't going to save anyones live. seems most players dont even have bushes showing up on their game

[vital laurel]

i mean yes, but 57 km/h rex is still stupid imo

[coarse spruce]

I wouldn't even bother including the jumping criteria. Most rocks can be walked up anyway

[foggy field]

After the speed nerf tbh despite being 2 tons cerato is quite fine

[foggy field]

Only carno can kill it

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message legacy stego was a meat bag that apexes could tank and good suchos could kill, just saying

[blissful oasis]

true that true that

[icy lion]

@proper mirage Planned

[split bolt]

nocturnal hunter needs better night vision

[plush flower]

Did you guy feel like you had significant fps improvements with this new engine ?

I am really curious cause I had times where I was getting 100 frames, and there were times I was like with 40

[cursive coral]

so like

new map, and whats this latest patch

[junior nymph]

wrong game

[proper mirage]

omg really? yayyy

[thick ivy]

why shouldnt tenno weight get buffed🤣

[limber hull]

Because it’s likely getting reduced in a coming update

With a bunch of other changes

[thick ivy]

reduced???

its getting even lower

[limber hull]

yea, don said both dibble and teno may be getting downsized

but getting considerable stat reworks to go with that

[inland spire]

Really Good job The isle server, jst when i hunt pachy i crashed

its heart breaking really, i love this game but inconsistency seems to win all through these given years😪

[royal jolt]

i hope they wont bc dib is fun asf to play

[limber hull]

atm? nah not really

its totally screwed in HT, it's not even fair

[chrome quail]

Give dibble weight to cera

[royal jolt]

Wym it’s not fair?

[royal jolt]

Defenitely Agreed

[limber hull]

diablo is so weak compared to the rest of the roster

[royal jolt]

no its not?

and if its really that weak then why would we downsize it, idk what to think abt the downsize

[rancid pagoda]

Downsize makes it more unique compared to trike

[foggy field]

Hopefully with dibble being smaller we can have styraco at 3 tons and Pachyrhino at 5-6

[limber hull]

it's likely getting other stats to compensate for it

atm, it's just kind of rex and allo fodder at its current stats

[latent olive]

bets on diablo getting insane bleed like stego ?

[royal jolt]

it literally destroys everything its size in a 1v1

[royal jolt]

it already i alot more different

[rancid pagoda]

How?

[royal jolt]

knock theshold

[rancid pagoda]

Not enough.

[royal jolt]

agility, speed

[rancid pagoda]

Not enough.

[royal jolt]

???

then how will a downsize make it more unique?

makes no sensee

[rancid pagoda]

Functionally it’s still the same playable. Ideally trike would have a unique ability to set it apart. But making it so dibble has even more of a difference in power is good

[rancid pagoda]

Drastically different in terms of power

Makes the unique parts of dibble more extreme

[royal jolt]

that would not make it more unique lol

[rancid pagoda]

Objectively it does

Making the unique parts of Diablo more extreme departures it more from trike.

[royal jolt]

still same attacks xD

[rancid pagoda]

Even more extreme power/agility difference.

[royal jolt]

it already has crazy power and agility improvements compared to trike

and can knock its weight and is agile asf

[rancid pagoda]

Not enough in my opinion.

[royal jolt]

dibble is in a good spot imo, since i play it alot and idk what yall mean bc when i play dibble i absolute destroy things my size

[rancid pagoda]

Being overpowered isn’t being in a good spot

[limber hull]

dibble is anything but OP LMAO

[royal jolt]

people say its not overpowered

[limber hull]

the speed nerf hit it hard, it is quite literally rex fodder atm

[royal jolt]

not if its same weight class

[limber hull]

ESPECIALLY prime rex, who just kinda kills on sight

[rancid pagoda]

I was thinking in live branch. Haven’t even seen a dibble once on ht

[limber hull]

yea for good reason

[royal jolt]

its just the speed

[limber hull]

nerfed speed, easily killed by allos/rexes, maia is better in every way as a mid-tier herbi

its damage is also shockingly low

[rancid pagoda]

But building off of that. The downsize allows it to handle these threats in ways that it can’t justify with its current weight

[royal jolt]

dibble is a good and fun playable if u like trike, bc u have good agility

[royal jolt]

well if it really gets an downsize than a different ceratops should be like the old dibble maye a lil bigger

[rancid pagoda]

Hoping dibble is downsized to around allo size

[rancid pagoda]

Why add more ceratopsians though?

I mean, what else can be done to make them unique

[limber hull]

that's barely a reduction lmao

[royal jolt]

ye

like just keep it at the same weight

those 400 kg less dont matter xD

allo is still cooked

if u know how to play dibble

[rancid pagoda]

2.9 vs 2.6 is a pretty large gap. It gives it way more agility and speed.

But I do see your point, 2.3 tons might be more fitting.

[royal jolt]

so we just make it free cera food xD

sure good idea

[rancid pagoda]

You knock cera down

[royal jolt]

rn ceras already cook dibble if the dibble is not that good

[rancid pagoda]

The change would include different damage and agility. You’ll be fine.

[royal jolt]

and he is only 1.3T

(in evrima)

[rancid pagoda]

Ceratopsians are just higher skill then most playables

[limber hull]

a downsize will likely be closer to the 1.5-2 ton range

[rancid pagoda]

Sounds good to me honestly

[royal jolt]

yes thats what im saying, the thing is cera at 2.1T is a good matchup for the dibble rn

[rancid pagoda]

I just don’t like having dibble be a trike clone

[royal jolt]

oh man ggs

[rancid pagoda]

Cera needs a hard nerf honestly

[limber hull]

ehh

why though

[rancid pagoda]

You just run around hitting one button and deal insane damage

[royal jolt]

900 dmg full charge bite btw xD

if im not mistaking

[rancid pagoda]

The burst damage is too much and makes it turn from a scavenger into a hunter

[limber hull]

pretty sure you are mistaken, it is nowhere near that high

[royal jolt]

it is really high

[rancid pagoda]

There’s a reason ceratos hunt large game

There’s a reason ceratos can kill allos

They have too high burst damage and too much agility to go along with it

[royal jolt]

im tlking abt the head

is defenitly crazy high ik that

[rancid pagoda]

I want Cerato to actually want to scavenge and bully. Not go around hunting everything that moves

Carno sticks to its niche. Cerato just does everything well

Too well, it’s not “good at everything” in a generalist sense. It’s just strong.

It’s boring, just a really good dinosaur with no real faults

Vomit functions as a stun mechanic, it’s ridiculous.

A “vomit” shouldn’t be something you deal with during the fight, it should affect you after.

[royal jolt]

if we really down size the dibble then i should be near allo weight bc what will allo fight xD dibble is literally his main opponent

[rancid pagoda]

Vomit only harms you during the fight, after the fight you must eat the Cerato.

Vomit serves no purpose other then a stun lock for a creature that doesn’t need one.

It encourages you TO FIGHT the Cerato instead of letting it have the kill

If you vomit after the fight then you have a reason to back off after getting inflicted and think about if it’s worth to keep fighting the Cerato

If you vomit during the fight why back off now? You have less hunger, you need the food from the Cerato at this point

It only works as a combat tool

[foggy field]

Tbh trike could got some more unique parts to its kit but similar animals will be similar, bary , sucho and spino will all be very similar in some regards, same with alberto and rex

[royal jolt]

yep

[foggy field]

500 without mutations

[royal jolt]

adult?

prime is smth else then

yea if we downsize dib than literally less reason to play it then rn xD

[rancid pagoda]

The easiest carnivore to grow yet has the best combat potential. Makes no sense to me.

[foggy field]

Its the best brawler in the game

No other dino beats a cerato if both are at a similar size

[rancid pagoda]

Exactly

[foggy field]

My fear with dibble and teno being made smaller is that needs to be done very carefully otherwise they will be in a even worse state them they are rn

[royal jolt]

stego def does i think (the old one)

idk abt now bc dmg got nerfed

[foggy field]

But on the bright side like i said maybe this Change opens the door to styraco and Pachyrhino being more apelling

[foggy field]

And bleed got buffed but cera has insane bleed res lmao

Its easier to Hunt stegos has a cera now

[rancid pagoda]

Which shouldn’t be happening

It has all of these little gimmicks and advantages just to be incredibly strong base stat wise

I don’t get the logic whatsoever

[fiery hill]

Fg cera does 345 fully charged

Idk where you guys getting these numbers lol, 900??

You would be 4 shotting stegos on headshot

1 shotting a carno lmao

[wintry cipher]

Teno. 1800 dmg on head. Where is 900 coming from?

[fiery hill]

Teno hs multiplier is 1.5x its standard

[wintry cipher]

Ah

[foggy field]

Iam talking about elder in this case its 490

[wintry cipher]

Still id assume thats a vomit and youre just dead

[fiery hill]

Are you sure?

[foggy field]

Yes. I have tested myself

[wintry cipher]

....

[foggy field]

Elder cerato at 87% is 490

[fiery hill]

Whats elder cera normal bite force?

[foggy field]

Cant say since i always use hypermetabolic on it

[odd forum]

175

If normal ceras bite force 150 and charged 345(multiplier 230%), then elder ceras charged 402,5

[fiery hill]

Then if the math is the same for fg cera, prime should be doing 402.5

[fiery hill]

Exactly

[odd forum]

Yea

[fiery hill]

Then 490 is false unless the math changes for prime

[foggy field]

Hmmm so maybe it was my damage mutations

400 is a balanced number imo

Even on a headshot its only 600 damage assuming no damage or damage resist mut

[junior nymph]

@real mural you are at twilight, it will brighten up its intentional for certain times of night to be pitch dark

[sonic aurora]

btw how tf are tenos supposed survive allos

allos speed

tenos speed

why is allo faster than teno?

[foggy field]

Teno and dibble needs some love asap

[wintry cipher]

Just encourages tenos to hide in unreachable places and wait out entombment ngl instead of risking it on the ground

Even without the speed nerfs you still take 40% more damage and deal less. Im not going anywhere but the most obscure mountain when i hit 88%

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

how lol

[tranquil finch]

cuz devs probably didnt think it through

[tranquil finch]

wdym take 40% more damage and deal less

[jovial arch]

Is prime Cerato still the same speed?

[wintry cipher]

Prime takes 15% less damage at peak and full elder at 100% takes 40% more damage apparently. Do please correct me cuz it does sound stupid af

[tranquil finch]

i have never heard about that and if none of the devs said that themselves then i do not believe it

[wintry cipher]

Would pretty much render the extra hp pointless lol

[tranquil finch]

yeah

and it sounds dumb and would break a lot of what we know, (biteforce and weight are equal)

[summer olive]

@green niche agreed sooo much because hypsi was literally designed off a paradise bird

[green niche]

damn what a beautiful bird

[wintry cipher]

@solemn ravine you probably could have just asked that in discussion lol. Theyre hoping to release it by Friday unless something bad happens yes

[summer olive]

ikr

[green niche]

makes me think of the reverse of a male black widowbird in breeding plumage

same guy in opposite directions

[summer olive]

dayum. i Sometimes Wonder how males even survive breeding season with that plumage

[wintry cipher]

Thats prob the test tbh oof. Strongest survive to breed

[green niche]

yup

they fly surprisingly well

but not for very far distances

[wintry cipher]

The scariest part would be not breaking a blood feather as they grow out tbh

[summer olive]

understandable

[summer olive]

oufff i can only imagine the bloodbath

[green niche]

oooh yeah that would suck. bleeding out because they broke a feather

[summer olive]

gotta be in their books of dumb ways to die

[solemn ravine]

hi, can you tell me, please, will the chordtests be released on Friday?

[wintry cipher]

If nothing bad happens, yes

[fiery hill]

Prime takes 20% more at 100%, frail takes 40% more, but idk if its still in, if the update was out its something easy to test

[bold nexus]

look at this microsoft paint done UI. Can they try harder please???

[tawdry zinc]

is anyone else experiencing a bug on hordetest where you cant do anything other than walk?

[desert arch]

If you swallowed something whole press G

[split bolt]

?

[bold nexus]

you might not see if it you're not on a high end monitor. You can see the boxes outlining every UI element

See the ghosting?

[safe hearth]

what was the to-do-list to become a prime elder again?

[proper mantle]

@pale river im confused why you think that a fight between a cera and a dilo should be 'fair'. I don't know the exact number but doesn't Cera weigh twice as much as dilo, not even mentioning prime stats?

[pale river]

I don’t think dilo should win against cerato just rn even a group of like 4 struggle to kill 1 cerato

[bold nexus]

i kill ceras easy. wait until night fall, bite them twice and run away spamming clones. they die.

[pale river]

I believe I just wanna see clips so I know how to do that bro 😭

I hit ‘em once then they just have too good of a turning radius to get behind

[bold nexus]

just tank their bites until your venom is on. at night it takes 2 bites to the body. then run.

you dont have to bite them anymore. your clones will kill it

[pale river]

But they make me vomit in one then they hit me twice and I’m like red

[bold nexus]

start with an ambush. if you cant get an ambush pick a different fight

[pale river]

Ya I get that but I want a buff that helps dilo gets an ambush like better crouch speed

[bold nexus]

yea that would be nice. they seem to want dilo to be the stealthy night ambusher, but it's hard to ambush when you make so much noise and cant crawl for crap

[pale river]

Ya

I’ll edit my feedback thanks

[misty comet]

whats the point of prime if you still lose ur stats the closer u get to 100% btw
20 minutes of fun?
i thought the whole prime thing was to prevent nuking your own dino that you spent hours to grow just because its old and slow now

[proper mantle]

you get old. would make no sense if you lost all your stats in the blink of an eye.

[urban flax]

Nah it's the opposite
The point of elders is to prevent players from running around forever PvP-ing with maxed stats dinos

[proper mantle]

and with the changes to growth rate once you hit elder even with the smaller herbis it takes hours to get to 90%

[misty comet]

youre gonna die eventually man, unless u play deino maybe
nobody stays alive forever no matter how good u are unless you're roaming the map with like 10 guys but at that point it doesnt matter if ur stats are a little weaker or not

[proper mantle]

its a survival game. if you entomb you get a huge bonus. no point in adding that system if there is no risk involved. if you are entombed it means you were able to survive even when you got old and slow

[misty comet]

ok u entomb the maximum amount of times however many times that is,
and then? reach 100% and entomb again?

[urban flax]

Roaming the map with 10 guys is exactly what they're trying to prevent
Because it was way too common

[proper mantle]

the max is 4, not sure what happens after that tbh

[misty comet]

i would be okay with it if, after 4 entombs you keep your stats even at 100% but i doubt thats the case?
idk just seems like suiciding into either entombing or picking a fight you know you will lose is the ending of every life

its a survival game where you dont want to stay alive when youre at 100% after hours of work

[urban flax]

That would go against the very point of it

[nova nebula]

After 4 entombs and reaching 100% maybe try another playable

[urban flax]

The point is to make growing the core of gameplay as it is something you have to constantly engage with, rather than a chore you do hiding until you go PvP as a full-grown

[misty comet]

theyre not gonna fix 10 guys running around on the map, thats a public server issue and thats why public servers are not good in the isle
aswell as mixpacking and many other things

[urban flax]

People are less inclined to just afk grow if doing that only lets them play for a few hours before they have to grow again
Forces people out of hiding

[urban flax]

It fixes them doing it forever

[misty comet]

crazy statement

[misty comet]

idk, i dont see it
way better off adding some sort of sickness when theres too many people in close proximity for a certain amount of time

[urban flax]

ew

[blissful oasis]

are those yellow lines fr there?

[wind mesa]

nah they're highlighting the glow around it, which is cut off sharply

[blissful oasis]

how does someone even notice that

[wind mesa]

having the glow burned into your monitor would do it

[blissful oasis]

that happens?!

they should do that leagacy thing where it only shows if u click or use stam or sums yk

[wind mesa]

yeahhhhhh i think kouga got a screenshot of it somewhere lol

#evrima-sa message yep found it xd

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

just... nerf the lunge spam for the speed boost lmao

you found the problem, why not just have the solution be dealing with the problem at the source

[charred tide]

@calm shard there's a mut that allows you to eat bones already, Osteophagic

[foggy field]

A simple missing animation would solve this or make allo stop running for a sec

[calm shard]

didnt know about that, thanks for letting me know

[keen shell]

get on a rock or into water and the clones stop working

its how i deal with dilo clones, you can also attack clones and kill them before they do dmg but its a timing thing

5 crocs 4 rex's 2 trikes and a carno lol this is a few days old but like damn man thats one hell of a mix pack

[final silo]

on what server was that?

[keen shell]

EU3 i think, i jump between servers a lot so cant remember

[sudden hinge]

@river idol how are you losing to Rex when all your attacks are stronger than Rex

Max damage for crush is like 700 now trike still does insane damage with its gore attack

Much more than any of Rexes attacks

[urban flax]

He didn't promise yk

[crimson coyote]

shhhhhhhhh

[chrome quail]

It’s because skill issue

[sudden hinge]

I’d say a bit because trike is strong as it should be if you are losing to one rex it’s not due to damage it’s just not utilizing trikes kit properly

[chrome quail]

He’s probably just spamming thrash

[sudden hinge]

Maybe even spamming thrash I feel would still cause you to win outright if the rex is facetanking you it takes a lot for a rex to win now imo you’ve got to maneuver well to win

[chrome quail]

True but many rexes don’t get caught in thrash unless stunned it’s an easy hit for a Rex.

[sudden hinge]

True true that’s definitely something you need to use correctly as trike

[chrome quail]

Also is allo still the same speed as cera

[sudden hinge]

That needs some tweaking imo Maia is faster then cera as well and with the damage buff to it I think it makes it a bit too strong against them

[chrome quail]

Hmm oh yh I think allo speed shouldn’t be in 40s it should be 37-38

[proper mantle]

@quartz meteor I don't think they should move the dibble ai specifically to swamp, but spread them throughout the map, not one specific location

[storm aurora]

@night mason i agree with you on the single player thing but i dont with the more AI dinosaurs. AI dibbles have made it possible for a megapack of 12 rexes to dominate a server.

[night mason]

Maybe for multiplayer we don't need more ai but devs want to add more ai dinosaurs in future anyway

Plus i heard they can do single player mode in future

[left willow]

#general-feedback message ppl who honestly think Trike's dmg isnt insane rn are mad

[wind mesa]

it's insane because it's an insanely big dino, and it moves like a truck. if you can't dance around a trike as a rex, which is far more nimble.... skill issue

[left willow]

Rex is also an insanely big dino with the strongest bite force that ever existed and still it got nerfed half its dmg

Not to mention the questionable balance of making Rex's head recieve more damage than its body when Rex's skull is extremely strong defense-wise

[wind mesa]

trike's horns are 1m long. rex's skull is 1.5m long. the fact that you survive from a single thrash at all is a sign of good game design. majority of the time a rex wins against a trike

[cyan flame]

Isn't that just the standard head weakspot multiplier, that most critters have

[left willow]

It should be different for the Rex when that's the strongest part of their body

[left willow]

That said a Trike should also be dead if its body and leg are broken but here we are. And size isn't the only factor when resistance is in the math. Rexes have skull wounds from tike's horns, they can take it and survive.

[wind mesa]

ok lets think about it as a game design point of view.
You want rex, the biggest carnivours apex in the game, to survive face tanking a trike?
what do you think will realistically happen to the game if that can happen?

tip: look at legacy

[left willow]

I'm not talking face tank, I'm talking the enormous difference their damage do right now, when they used to be fairly equal.

[wind mesa]

its equal fight if u dont facetank it xD

[left willow]

Also to be a big heavy rex to "dance around" a Trike it consumes a lot of stam while the Trike just needs to slide their mouse sideways while in attack/defense stance

[foggy field]

Trike is fine.

[charred tide]

Realistically speaking rex should not win a direct encounter with a trike

[wind mesa]

thankyou people

[left willow]

Not to mention, fine, a Trike can have more defense and more attack than a rex if you consider it fair, it becomes unfair when it ALSO has more stamina, then it makes no sense

[charred tide]

I don't play hordetest but from what I've seen rex beats trike most of the time anyway

[foggy field]

Rex needs to ambush a trike to win most of the time with is the ideal, rex is the one that can run away, trike cant really choose to engage or run a rex down so he needs to be the stronger dino.

[left willow]

Be a big heavy fat power house than still can outrun a Rex that is supposed to be the "agile" out of the two

[charred tide]

Absolutely

[foggy field]

Rex is much faster it has no issue running away from a trike

[left willow]

The balance is constantly changing, at one moment Trike used to be stepped on, then they became equal, now trike is much stronger, it's force is above 1000 while Rex is 700

[foggy field]

Read this

[charred tide]

Trike should be stronger

[left willow]

Too bad 9/10 times you encounter a trike it's a mixpack and the trike will run you down 'cause you used your stam fighting

[foggy field]

It was much worse when rex could only see trike and kill it with 0 issues

[left willow]

There's no need for a trike to have that much stam if it doesnt need to run away

[foggy field]

That is a mixpack issue not a trike issue

[charred tide]

Fr fr

[left willow]

Too bad that's the reality of the game tho

[foggy field]

And yeah mixpacking sucks its impossible to balance around mixpacking

[charred tide]

Mixpacking should be bannable

[foggy field]

Yup thats why community servers are the way

[left willow]

Thing is, if people want trike to be stronger, fine, it just doesnt need as much stam as it has

[wind mesa]

i love u both for supporting me in this

[foggy field]

oficials gameplay is frustating

[left willow]

If it's meant to have attack and defense, if its meant to stand its ground, there's no need for it to be running around

[charred tide]

That's why i dont play officials

[left willow]

Chill

[charred tide]

Tbh, i agree with you trike shouldn't be able to chase rex doen

[wind mesa]

no u

[charred tide]

Down*

[foggy field]

In a straight 1v1 it cant

[wind mesa]

rex can out-walk a trike no?

[left willow]

? I'm not putting a gun on your head, you don't need to love people for backun u up

[wind mesa]

assuming both not sprinting

[foggy field]

Rex trot is much better yeah it can

[charred tide]

I don't even know how much stamina rex has but im pretty sure it trots and runs faster than trike

[left willow]

When both sprint Trike can catch up easily

[charred tide]

Tyra is faster

[wind mesa]

trike doesnt have a whole lot of stam either though

[foggy field]

Rex is reaches above 30... trike at its fastest is 25km

[left willow]

It literally does

Especially for the amount of strenght and defense it has

[wind mesa]

it really doesn't ^^'

[foggy field]

The only dino i have seen run rexes down is stego gangs and allos

[left willow]

If its meant to be overpowered in defense and in strenght, having too much stam is ridiculous

[wind mesa]

can confirm in my experience

[left willow]

It must have ONE weakness

[foggy field]

Its slow has F 23km/h

[charred tide]

How about we give rex wings so it csn fly away from angry trikes

[left willow]

It catches up 'cause the rex runs out of stam and the trike doesnt

[wind mesa]

the weakness is that it cant catch you unless you somehow lose all your stam AND get too close to it

[foggy field]

It really only does that if the rex start running when it barely has stam

Remember herbs cant also track footprints

[charred tide]

What no

Or is that new in ht?

[foggy field]

They cant track

[wind mesa]

i know they can track blood but not footprints in ht anyway

[foggy field]

Only smell blood

[charred tide]

Oh

[left willow]

Guys pls

[charred tide]

I missread they can sorry

[left willow]

All rexes attack except normal bite consumes stam

meanwhile trike even has extra stam for its attacks lol

[wind mesa]

doesnt trike attacks cost stam?

or am i wrong its been a while

[left willow]

.

[charred tide]

Only alt attacks

[foggy field]

If a trike runs your rex down you have lost a 1v1 and decide to run away and the trike manage to cacth u up, if you manage to break its leg/body he will never do that too

You need to screw up badly

[left willow]

Well I crushed it a good amount of times and didnt break it

[wind mesa]

yeah i have no idea what u mean by that

[foggy field]

And if the trike screwup he is the one ending has a meal

So i think its ok

[left willow]

It can alt attack and it doesnt use the normal stam

it has extra stamina slots for that

[foggy field]

Atacks on other apexes must be very risk

[wind mesa]

it does cost stam and it costs a slot. that slot is for sparring.

[charred tide]

No those dots are for the spar attack

After you rin put of slots it starts to consume stamina

And a LOT of stamina

[left willow]

Ok nevermind then, I can see I lost this one

[charred tide]

You did

[left willow]

Trike is easier to grow, easier to fight with, has lots of strenght, defense and stamina, it's wonderful as it is

[foggy field]

Trike is a prey that a rex has to do a perfect ambush to sucedeed or have a size/number advantage since it is another apexes and a dangerous animal

[left willow]

No one wants to have to use more skill to use it

[left willow]

But in The Isle trikes are bullies that chase down anything 'cause they know they're op, hah

[foggy field]

How are pleople getting Chased by a turtle...

[left willow]

The times I played as trike I was entombing bored out of my mind with how easy it is

[charred tide]

No that's only the people that don't have a life and are desperate for attention

[left willow]

Most trike users

That I encountered as least

Even when I was a trike I was being chased by other trikes

[charred tide]

Canni trikes are just losers

[wind mesa]

thats a canni trike problem

[cyan flame]

I don't think its a matter of people wanting trike to be mindless, and there should be some stam cost on the thrash and other attacks. But trike is supposed to be a rather terrifying opponent for rex, or at least I think so. Stego is somewhat easier to handle, though it is also scary these days. But it might get adjusted, as might trike. Especially if they change other things around as well. Though rex seems popular enough, even if it's "weak" so maybe it's not that bad.

[left willow]

If you lose as a rex it's skill issue meanwhile you don't lose as a trike 'cause you don't even need skill

[wind mesa]

trike loses to rex most of the time

[cyan flame]

People got chased down and ambushed by stegos to be fair xD

[left willow]

Used to

[wind mesa]

no still now, it's just less of a slaughter and more of a fight now

[left willow]

This week I encountered trikes 3 times and the Trike won all 3 times (2 of those times I wasnt alone)

[wind mesa]

if a rex gets on ur butt as a trike its so over

[foggy field]

People need to learn to ambush trikes more not just run at them

[left willow]

I've been playing HT every week with every balance change it did to both rex and trike so I see first hand the diferences the balance is doing

[foggy field]

Rex is ambush predator

[left willow]

I did that 2 days ago

Crushed and bit trike that had its face inside a tree

1 alt attack + 1 attack and my screen was all red and I was 90%+

Then the trike puts its butt on the wall and can suck their thumb there

[wind mesa]

i think it helps if you dont stand in the trike's face, that way they dont get the skull damage on you

[left willow]

My point is:
Trike shouldn't have good strenght, good defense and good stam, at least one of them needs to be bad
If trike has head as strong spot, so should Rex, the skull is Rex's weak spot when it makes no sense, even the most casual dino enjoyers knows how strong Rex's skull is

Rex vs Trike: Run aroun, alt attack, use your stun, use crush many times, use your stam
Trike vs Rex: Put your butt on a wall and trash

[charred tide]

Dude ehat are you smoking

[wind mesa]

i think the rex having a strong skull would only be relevant if you are standing in the trike's face, in which case you deserve the 1m-long spikes in your skull

[left willow]

But a Rex can crush a Trike's spine and it walks away just fine?

[wind mesa]

have you seen how protected their bodies are? they're like 90% fat xD

those guys float so well xD

and do remember as a rex its up to you to start and end the fight. you can do that whenever, trike can't

cus of the speed

[left willow]

And the animals with the strongest bite force that ever existed, weighting 12.3 tons, crushing it's spine repeatedly cant go through fat?

[wind mesa]

remind me of trike's weight?

[left willow]

That weight is forming a layer of protection above the spine?

[wind mesa]

whats trike's weight

[left willow]

Around 12/13

[wind mesa]

ah ok

i think its 13.5

mostly on the body

i think rex's skull is 600kg

ish.

not that that matters because we're tlaking about a game here, but still

[left willow]

and bite force is currently 700 while trike is currently 1000

[wind mesa]

trike doesnt bite though lol

[left willow]

but it's how the game calls it lol

[wind mesa]

if it was irl with irl stats rex would die so fast

quick question how many hours do you have in the isle?

[left willow]

and if it was irl the trike would have its spine broken and not be able to move anymore

[left willow]

500 and I've only played ht

[wind mesa]

ah

that explains it

[left willow]

yes I know I'm new

and I know the absurdly amount of times I've died without being able to do anything 'cause most of the fights are death cutscenes and balance that works on paper but not on practice

[wind mesa]

yeah you should not be playing hordetest as a newbie

cus this happens xD

i think you will have a much more enjoyable experience in evrima

[charred tide]

Wdym strongest bite force that ever existed?

[left willow]

to be very honest I never cared about the isle and only started playing 'cause I wanted to play as rex so here I am lolol

[wind mesa]

i think you will find that very frustrating because of the skill curve, as im sur eyou've discovered. i would go to evrima and practice there on smaller dinos, you will have a more enjoyable experience. and rex will be coming to evrima soon anyway ^^

[charred tide]

Was supposed to come today lol

[wind mesa]

look they're trying ok xD

[charred tide]

No absolutely not

Everyone always underestimates how powerful triceratops actually is

Was

[left willow]

I don't doubt it was powerful I just doubt it was able to keep running for over 10 seconds lol

Also I was thinking balance-wise for the game it makes sense for the most powerful carnivore and herbivore to be equal 'cause it seems fair. Prime rex constantly needs food and the only dino it can catch up and can fill its stomach is also stronger than it. Not to mention the mixpacking, megapacking, the cannibalism, everything is making it so rough, and not a fun rough, an annoying rough. My buddy was 12T rex and it got broken first crush by a 12.3T rex meanwhile there was I crushing and crushing and stupid trike wasnt getting broken lol. It just seems unfair how easy it is to be a trike and you also come with the most op kit with you. Meanwhile Rex is struggle from juvi to end.

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/lJZOOqpM7efQFlyCg?invite=cr-MSxON2gsMTgwMjUzODE5&v=139

Anyways this my last encounter with a Trike, the only pvp knowledge I had was videos. I spared those Allos just for them to attack and mixpack me, the world isnt for the chills

Also I got out of crushing the allo and my rex decided to crush the ground for some reason

It was pure struggle for me
Tried to run behind it but it was consuming too much stam
Sparring hurt like hell
Slided away from the spar but still got a trash
Trike attacking not even the tip of my tail was still hurting
Sometimes tried to crush but it was still on cd
Used all stam to run away and trike still had more stam
Trike hit the mini allo and still didnt kill it LMAO
"Rex crush and bites apply bone break" decided to not exist
And so on

I also had:
Accelerated Prey Drive
Epidermal Fibrosis
Hypermetabolic Inanition
Congenital Hypoalgesia

[normal jasper]

Bone break is nerfed you need so much to break trike now

[left willow]

Funny

[normal jasper]

I mean it need more testing but it’s so sad Rex don’t feel like real apex now

Even stego is stronger than Rex

[left willow]

Thank you

Finally someone

I was the first in line begging for rex to get some nerfs and it did got to a fair point but now I'm the first in line to say it went too much

[normal jasper]

I’m happy Rex got nerf because bad Rex players die now Rex need so much skill to not die but at same time now Rex feel too weak so I’m both happy and sad

[left willow]

This week I decided to play as Allo and I have enough clips to make a killing compilation, meanwhile Rex is struggle, struggle, struggle, struggle

Yes something as powerful needs some struggle and rewards but the reward is not there and trike has no struggle

I am the newbie with 500 hours in the isle and I got a prime trike entombed. Prime. Entombed. Meanwhile I never got a Rex to 100%

[normal jasper]

Yes I don’t even understand why stego which is 6 hour grow and gains 2-3 tons 15 min after leaving sanc is as strong as Rex now when Rex takes forever to leave juvie stage and take 12 hour to grow

[left willow]

Stego is 6 hours and becomes as powerful as a Rex??? Lmaoooooo

Oh this is sad

[normal jasper]

Yes stego stun Rex now with power swing so that make stego stronger than Rex

Stego also got stam buff and power swing reduced from 10% stam usage to 5% stam usage

And 3 power swings bleed Rex out

[left willow]

Rex: Struggle, Struggle, Struggle
Trike: No struggle

People: nah that's fair

[normal jasper]

Yes that why I no understand but I complain more about stego than trike because trike at least real apex

[left willow]

It's an apex with no difficulty whatsoever, meanwhile Rex has difficulties from start to end. And ppl say the state both are in is fair.

[normal jasper]

Trike being easy grow make sense

Because herbi more boring than carni so if people see herbi is easy grow and is strong they play herbi

And more herbi is good than more carni

[left willow]

Yeah but you either follow the line "high stakes high reward" for all apexes or you don't, otherwise that's where the feeling of unfairness comes from.

Just to prove my point I'm gonna grow a Trike rn and entomb it.

[left willow]

The problem is most people don't play herbie 'cause they think it's boring with how easy it is. Me included.

[normal jasper]

Yeah maybe that why I might be wrong

[latent olive]

might change

grazing is apparently getting the boot, maybe (possibly)

[foggy field]

you only got killed cause u wasted way to much stam on the allos thats more a mixpack issue them a trike issue

if it was justa 1v1 you could had run away or not engaged the trike at all

[left willow]

that's all I used on the Allo

[foggy field]

yep, them u tried to fight him in a 1v1 and lost i dont see the problem here

its open ground, he was the one that ambushed you

if it was another rex the result may has well be similar

[left willow]

100kg and whole diet on a plate. Oh the tough life of an apex. If I was a silly rex I'd have to be running around dodging deers and boars, filling on chickens (rabbits are faster than you) crabs and turtles, having to vomit many times 'cause your stomach is stupid full all the time

I hope when I'm big and strong this hard work will pay off

For now I'm only small and strong, any other juvi that attacks me will get destroyed

[cyan flame]

Because juvie stegos are rather defenseless, while juvie rexes can run about and survive better. Or at least that'd be a reason for it. And all thats needed for stego is to up the growth to 9-10 hours.

[normal jasper]

Rex can’t run away 2 hours into his growth

Stego gets to 2-3 ton 30 min into his growth

It’s not the same at all or close

Rex can only run when he at 600k or 800kg because that when he fast but u spawn 50kg u can’t run away till u grow for 2 hour or more

[left willow]

And then you start losing all your speed again

[normal jasper]

Yeah at 50% u at 35kmh

[foggy field]

well, plants dont run so yeah herbs will be eaiser to grow always lmao, at least trike is not has fast has a rex so it pretty much only defends it self and cannot hunt

[left willow]

plants don't run, I got all 3 diets in the sanctuary and I'm almost a ton of weight in half and hour 🙂

But it's ok at this time a juvi rex is getting close to being able to hunt a deer

[foggy field]

Has a juv rex you are fast, trike gets weight quickly since its a fat potato

[left willow]

Also plants don't run so I wonder why stegos and trike have such good stam to run 🤔

[left willow]

Being fast doesn't help when my food is still stronger (deers and boars 1 hit you)

[left willow]

40 minutes in

[cinder haven]

Guys, there's something you've forgotten... Stego has always been the strongest dinosaur in the game, you can't change that. The addition of Trike and Rex won't change anything.

[left willow]

"Rex needs to be hard to grow because it's an apex" people meanwhile trike is one of the easiest things to grow

[foggy field]

chikens , rabits also exist u now

crabs also

[cinder haven]

Even a Prime Trike can hold its ground—this thing is an absolute monster. Hopefully it doesn’t get nerfed XD

[left willow]

rabits are faster and crabs barely fill your A

[cinder haven]

I agree, Rex should get a Grow buff, he's too slow.

[foggy field]

no? also turtles exist

rex has one of best diets of all carnivores tbh he eats anything

[left willow]

yes and bigger rexes will get them and get you

[cinder haven]

Trex isn't that strong right now; Trike and Stego can easily beat him. I think Rex should get a grow buff; he shouldn't grow every 3 days.

[foggy field]

Thats how the game works buddy

[cinder haven]

Of course, if the Rex doesn't catch the Stego when it's very small, or if it's a prime Rex vs. adult Stego scenario, then there's a problem (this also applies to Trike).

[foggy field]

Ther are easier carnivores to grow also

[left willow]

you do realize nothing you're saying is changing the fact growing a trike is miles easier than growing a rex, right?

And trike being easier/bigger/and stronger makes it unfair

[foggy field]

All herbs are

Very easy to grow

[cinder haven]

Yes, growing a trike is very easy; eat grass, follow a diet, and that's it. The only problem is that other fast trikes can escape, but generally, if you're lucky, you'll grow one.

[foggy field]

Plants are easy to eat and grazing exist

[left willow]

Yes, and you also understand that making apexes stupid-easy to grow and have no-stakes-high-rewards be ALSO stronger than the strongest carnivores that NEEDS to fight and kills theses herbies to survive is pretty lame, right?

[bold nexus]

what am i doing wrong

dilo are nocturnal???

[foggy field]

So you want to rex to just kill any trike it sees becouse its harder to grow them it?

[opal widget]

Trike is no where near as oppressive on the map as rex. Trex is rightfully penalized by different growth dynamic and its still many times more present in numbers over trike or any other herbivore. And also it is way too easy to grow with diablo ai.

[left willow]

It's much more present because clans, more people like rexes than trikes, it's more fun and diablo AI

By just removing the Diablo AI it already gets 10 times harder

[foggy field]

Rex can Hunt stuff, its not like trikes are hunting rexes around the map lol he cant literely choose to atack a trike it not at its own risk

[left willow]

Have you ever grown a rex?

[foggy field]

4 times in this HT

[left willow]

Did it get prime?

[foggy field]

Dibble AI made it super easy

[foggy field]

Yes simple route

[left willow]

Ok, and let's say you're 12.3T and there's no diablo AI, what are you eating?

[foggy field]

Never had a issue with trikes i did not fight one i did not need to, if they tried to run at me i just gott out of the way

[left willow]

You understand that without diablo AI, a Rex doesnt have the luxury of walking away from a trike because it's literally gonna starve, right?

[foggy field]

Killed 2 sub trikes and 3 stegos by ambush and some maias

Not every trike is a adult or prime

Has a prime rex you have no issue killing a 75% trike for exemple

[opal widget]

That's true, but I don't see how the map can take more than a few rexes without turning into a mess. It's one thing to make trike to grow harder, I don't care about that, but rex absolutely should not be made easier.

[left willow]

Lucky you, you manage to kill trikes when they're half your size

[left willow]

YES, my entire point since I started all this conversation is that Trike is currently too easy and OP

[foggy field]

Has irl rex did, avoding fighting adults/primes since they are has powerfull has iam

Most of the adult trikes i have seen other rexes killed where in 2v1

[left willow]

It thrives on stamina, thrives on defense, thrives on attack, thrives on how easy it is to grow. Where's the hard part? Where's the difficulty into growing a freaking APEX meanwhile EVERYTHING about growing a Rex is hard??

I'm honestly growing frustrated the point is not getting through lmao

[foggy field]

Trike rex 77 seconds of stam, rex has 48 + better regen

Stego has 111

Its more of tactile endurance being busted

Since it turnns damage to stam

[bold nexus]

zombie rex? wtf

[left willow]

Trike has 77 seconds of stam and Rex 48?

[bold nexus]

why is this thing alive wtfff

[left willow]

TRIKE HAS 77 AND REX 48?

Is that it?

[foggy field]

yeah they nerfed rex stam some pacthes ago becouse it was running everything down

[drifting stirrup]

why is dondi in ur server

or one of the devs is

[left willow]

Ok so... where was that "Rex can get away from a Trike" talk coming from?

[foggy field]

Cause it can?

Rex is more them 10km faster

[left willow]

And trike can run for almost double the time 👍

[foggy field]

It cant track you

And you can open a very large distance from it

Trot and open even more distance

He will need to run nonstop to catch you trotting

[left willow]

So the Trike is easier to grow, gets weight much faster, has food on a plate, has almost double the stam, more strenght, more defense and uses much less stam when fighting but the trot is slower so it's in a fair place.

Yeah this is just dumb. I'm over this topic.

[foggy field]

Rex aint invencible

[normal jasper]

No he doesn’t

Trike has better stam regen than Rex when trotting

[foggy field]

Rex has crazy high when walking

0.48 double that of any other playable

[normal jasper]

Ur not gonna be walking when running away from a trike

[foggy field]

You dont need to you are much faster them it

[left willow]

Protect your butt when you're walking away getting horned in as you're regening

[sonic jolt]

if yk how to fight a trike in the open.. it's just sorta dead? if a trike comes accross a rex that's bigger than it, it can't run, can't hide.. it's dead on sight. The tides will turn if a trike is backed into a corner, but in no senario should a player be left completely without options

[sonic jolt]

prime Trike runs 25km/ prime rex can run at almost 45km/hr in ambush, it has much faster trot and twice the stamina regeneration

If you get ran down by a trike, you messed up somewhere, bad.

Like, horrificly so

[normal jasper]

This is just false

This only for peak prime which don’t last forever and peak prime Rex is 32-33kmh and ambush increase speed by 5-6 kmh so that mean prime peak Rex with murder sprint go up to 37-39kmh. Nowhere near 45kmh

[limber hull]

ambush speed is a percentile boost, not a flat speed increase, so it would be 40+km/hr

[normal jasper]

But peak prime Rex don’t catch adult cera and adult cera 40.2kmh so it can’t be faster than 40

[foggy field]

Peak prime gets to 41km with speed bosst

Its a 25% increase

[sonic jolt]

might have changed.. but i've seen it easily catch up to a prime cera, ah wait. ik what it is. prime ceras speed was bugged before at 38km. mb

[foggy field]

33 × 1,25 = 41km/h

[sonic jolt]

this would explain it outrunning it

[sonic jolt]

ty btw!

[normal jasper]

You sure?

[foggy field]

Its a 25% flat increase in speed

Ambush

[normal jasper]

Maybe I’m wrong but I was 89 Rex and I see adult cera I run after cera I could not catch up cera get away. Cera adult too

[foggy field]

Thats why dibbles and tenos are having a super hard time

[normal jasper]

Oh okkk

[viral abyss]

did u even see the updates that happened on HT?

they already fixed fish ai

and now ai swims

and the map got smaller

[wise delta]

@vernal jacinth best way to give feedback that I’ve seen so far lmao

[vernal jacinth]

Lol thank you

[vernal path]

Exactly, Rex Doesn't go past 40km/h after leaving adolesence. The boost is 20%. What is 32.5 added to 6.5, yeah less than 40 lol.

[quartz rune]

@night mason I'd say maybe they should just remove the hexagon outline around the diet symbol in the scent radar and it would look a lot better

[night mason]

True

[quartz rune]

@sharp geyser It's fixed in the HT, just wait a lil longer and they'll release that version to the live build

[sharp geyser]

oh ok got it

[sharp geyser]

thank you!

[quartz rune]

np

[native moon]

does anyone know why have my request got deleted about stego tail sparing?

[icy lion]

#phase-three-requests isn't for suggestions, read that channel's description and pins

[native moon]

ok sorry

[cyan flame]

@brittle kiln Pin and pounce need work for raptors as well, it's not any better for them than for the rest of the playables. The entire ability is bad in many ways.

[visual edge]

Pinning is a very very horrible mechanic, it should've never been added in the first place. Remove the allo pounce, don't release allo to public yet and just rework allo fully. Focus allo on using his claws more. Don't make allos thing a pounce to pin. Leave the pinning to huge things like rex and pounce to pin to smaller RAPTOR dinos.

[junior nymph]

allo is raptor

[visual edge]

I meant like omniraptor, austroraptor, and so on.

[quartz rune]

umm guys? why did my post get taken down in the general feedback? its not in the moderation channel

[icy lion]

Bugs can be posted in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[quartz rune]

ok

[merry ore]

#general-feedback message
I hope yall like my suggestion

[clear sandal]

I haven’t played on the HordeTest server since the arrival of Prime Elder and I’d like to know what changes have been made since its creation. What is it like now? Is it still the same as it was on the first day of its release on HordeTest?

[wooden agate]

growth curves have been changed slightly

time as an adult has been lengthend for the most part (i hear it takes 10 hours to reach 100% after hitting 75% as rex?) though small tiers still struggle some

requirements have had additions, though we dont know what

[left willow]

https://youtu.be/azK-M-ymZ6I?si=9ay6i0z6PacFruWx

The amount of bites and crushes needed for a Trike when a Trike melts you with 3 trashes

[frozen heron]

Me when the herbivore with giant horns that can't run away is dangerous to fight

[pliant elm]

The answer to why this happen is in the video itself. When Trike is fractured, he can practically only Accept the death

[foggy field]

People forgot how op fractures are

"O no trike damage is so strong whyyy"

Meanwhile rex literaly taking away your ability to fight

[normal jasper]

Yes fracture strong but trike knock down Rex now

Trike able to shove Rex now and knock Rex down

[junior nymph]

@obtuse wing specify that its a cattail

[left willow]

Me when the herbivore with giant horns that is dangerous to fight is one of the easiest things to grow in the whole game

[left willow]

They're also ignoring how bone break got nerfed as well.

[frozen heron]

Trike is a free meal for most of its growth

Your nickname tells me all i need to know though 👍

[left willow]

Any animal factured is done for. Also Rex's fracture got nerfed and if that trike was smart it would go agaisnt the rock and ther rex wouldn't have an opening

[foggy field]

Bone break values where not nerfed, still 3000 for crush and 2000 for bite + 1000 on headbut

[left willow]

Not value, chance of applying

[foggy field]

Its not a chance bud

Its a HP bar.

[left willow]

Good, 'cause it's true. A newbie like me has no issue entombing a trike

[foggy field]

Every dino has a fracture hp that = its weight

When it hits 0 the bone breaks

Its a % chance

[left willow]

Literally no, since juvi it's bigger than all dinos of same age. It reaches one ton in half an hour

[foggy field]

It also can regen and there is mutations and diet that reduce fracture damage

Rex can deal fracture damage in all of its atacks pretty much in a quick combo he can do 6000 ( if the victim has no resist )

Can break stego in one go

[left willow]

So you're saying even bone break that is supposed to be trike's weakness takes forever to apply on it since it's the heaviest dino

[foggy field]

It will only take longer to aply if the trike has a good Y diet + mutation that reduces bone break

Otherwise rex can break a trike in 3 crushes to the body

[left willow]

And why wouldnt one have, the food is all around on a plate

[foggy field]

Its the same for breaking other rexes

[left willow]

Good luck with that with how much stam a Rex needs to run around to apply the crush + crush using stam

[foggy field]

Since fracture HP = weight large animals are much harder to fracture

Even more with high Y diet and mutations

[left willow]

Meanwhile:

• Easier to grow
• Doesn't need to fight to eat
• More HP/ weight
• More resistance
• More DMG
• More stamina
• More stamina recovery
• Supposed to live in groups

Lovely creature. If I found it fun to have no challenge I wouldn't want it nerfed as well

I'd only play Trike but the times I did I found it boring to be turtle-walking around eating fruits, rotting on bushes as I waited for more hunger, loop and repeat until entomb

Idk why people are downvoting this

[foggy field]

Was used for Metagaming

Thats why it was removed

[foggy field]

Tbh crush its not the best agaist trike, the best way i found to kill them was by baiting them and using the normal bite, on ther Backs it Costs 0 stam and still does a very large 2000 fracture damage

Circle them around, bite ther back and repeat

Pretty much only use crush on a ambush, since fighting a trike head on is not a battle rex can win most of the time

Since trike is stronger in a duel

[opal widget]

Dude stuck in a time loop crying about not being able to kill trike easily over and over again, feelsbadman

[left willow]

Nah I'm constantly giving feedbacks, the trike is just the bs of the hour

As I said before I was first in line when Rex was stupid OP, after it got some deserved nerfs I was satisfied, but some ruined the dino's gimmick a little

If Trike was a single instance and if I was being the only affected, I would not be so pressed about it

[indigo gulch]

This. Exactly this.

[left willow]

If you look up my feedbacks on the feedback channel you'll see that pretty much every time the voting is overwhelmingly positive, it's only this time that ppl don't wanna lose their easy ticket. I've been hearing for some time how herbie players like being OP and they didnt like Rex's arrival

[left willow]

How's that?

[indigo gulch]

Damage bar as in being able to see your hp yes?

Cuse people would know the exact hp so it was much easier to go “I can tank exactly 2 hits” now you have to guess and estimate based on your heartbeat bar

[left willow]

Wait Ik thought that's what it meant, no?

The heartbeat bar used to have colors

[junior nymph]

@bitter dove you got alot of info wrong

teno goes from 1600kg to 1800kg as you said

cera goes from 1.4T to 1.8T now

allo now has a recovery on its lunge so it cant spam it to catch up meaning 40km is perfectly fine for the animal

growth rate is 0% meaning you have to do your whole grow again at 0% once you get elder meaning it takes like 1-2 hours except if you are a hypsi

primes have been made easier to get for small tiers

rex needs the fast turn and alt attacks otherwise it gets tail ridden, we saw this literally in the datamined version were a solo cerato was able to just kill a rex

ptera has insane stam now and the flight speed is fine as you are meant to dive and get top speed then hold shift as when you are top speed and are holding shift you dont lose any stam

only one thats true is dibble being a hamburger

you say it so confidently which imo is kinda funny

[limber hull]

also what is this "rex call" stuff people are talking about

what rex call

[frozen heron]

Yeah this feedback speaks like they haven't even played the game
Which they havent

[junior nymph]

ill send it

[frozen heron]

Rex's broadcast got updated

[limber hull]

oh interesting

[junior nymph]

gave it to ya @limber hull

sounds better imo

[frozen heron]

It's pretty bad imo

[junior nymph]

damn

[frozen heron]

Lol

[junior nymph]

that was timed great

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message almost dryo sized ptera but with the capability of carrying things heavier than itself of a giant wasp

John Cinema would be proud

[wind mesa]

@shrewd ore #general-feedback message obtainable AND useful! right now its such a small boost

[misty pewter]

please change allos pattern B you can't really make anything good out of it

[charred tide]

@formal willow there is a night vision mutation

[formal willow]

Never seen it

is it unlockable ?

[charred tide]

here

only for carnivores tho

[formal willow]

it's locked to carnivore, that's kinda bad

and a waste of a slot 2 mutation

[charred tide]

im pretty sure you can have it on 3rd slot too

it just says it unlocks after 2nd slot i think

[formal willow]

all species needs better nightvision imo

[charred tide]

fr

[formal willow]

its bad enough u need a mutation to see anything other than a black screen

[charred tide]

this game black screen simulator fr

[winter void]

wasnt that mute as well as the eating bones and fake fracture never in the game ?
or was this actually in here ? never seen anyone have one of those.

[formal willow]

its too irrelevant to actually be useful

[urban flax]

Nightvision mut used to be in at some point
But it was both insanely hard to get and pretty useless
Because iirc it was like a 5% increase

Due to the length of the day-night cycle and some dinos being very fast to grow you often have only 1 night to kill 5 players
Which is pretty much impossible to do with anything that is dilo or smaller

[charred tide]

they aer both in the game but very hard to get and its just not worth it

[winter void]

well speaking for fake fracture and eat bones to heal fracs i can tell i never seen them and as a cerato i kinda eat a lot of bones tho 😄
thats if it isnt already a passive but never noticed differences tho ;-;

[charred tide]

im pretty sure cera doesnt have the mut

[winter void]

welp explains a lot then xD
i mean makes sense it already has more facture resistance and can eat bones for perfect diet... so that might been too much then 😄

[winter void]

#general-feedback message
@prime jetty There is no queue system on current HT
you need to keep refreshing until server got space. There was already some statements about current sitiation of missing queues

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

@mystic elm if you are on HT it is physically impossible to starve as PT now. They get spear fishing by standing at the edge of water or mud and holding right click and waiting during the day. Once a fish swims near you can left click to grab it. For clams you move to a rock and left click on the rock to open it.

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

I approve of this idea, most because my understanding of current paleontology indicates that Pteranodon was predominantly a shore bird which made use of coastal updrafts.

Honestly, if The Isle isn't in someway otherwise divided from the mainland, species like this, and potentially Deinosuchus and the penguin like Beipi are going to become invasive species.

[clear sandal]

thx 🙂

[vital laurel]

@graceful nymph How would the game look like that? That images seems rather AI

[graceful nymph]

You bet it's ai, it is a visual representation of what the game should look like at higher settings. Modern game, modern graphics please

[urban flax]

Modern graphics =/= AI image
That's illogical standards

[vital laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/look-away-simpson-bashful-embarrassed-marge-gif-1191583262637258997

thats not how it works

[graceful nymph]

an Ai image is still a realistic representation. Take a look at ark ascended

[urban flax]

If you want to use a comparison then take an actual screenshot from Ark Ascended
Not a stupid clanker image

[graceful nymph]

I'd much rather apply ark ascended's graphics to the isle to see how they would fit in the map

[vital laurel]

then we can have even worse performance

yay

[graceful nymph]

I made sure to suggest only these graphical changes to higher settings, I suggested cinematic settings in the text

[limber hull]

isnt ark ascended horribly optimised lmao

[urban flax]

I know default Ark is

[vital laurel]

okay

[graceful nymph]

🤷you can still run in with a up to date graphics card (like a 5090) but still this can make people who have that supercomputer be able to enjoy better graphics

[urban flax]

Idk about ascended, but knowing the team, it's probably a huge mess

[vital laurel]

what does more dynamic lighting mean

like lumen is already dynamic

[graceful nymph]

intensify it. you know how in ark ascended when you walk into a jungle the lighting feels green. thats what i mean

vs when you are on the beach it is clearer

[vital laurel]

and vibrancy and saturation settings arent something we can change cus its purposefully set up like that by the devs to create a certain atmosphere

[graceful nymph]

Call me a psycho but I don't want the game to feel so dull and low quality. Give us an option at least

[vital laurel]

me neither

but i dont just talk out of my ass

and is making higher graphic options really what the game needs? Rather than better performance and improvements to the graphics we have

[graceful nymph]

I think it's quite clear improvements and better performance to the current graphics we have isn't going to happen. Performance has dropped over the past few years and graphic fidelity has been dropping with it.

[urban flax]

That is false

[vital laurel]

what

[graceful nymph]

The statistics show. Everyone loves the update 4 graphics over what we have now. The performance then was better as well

[vital laurel]

ur talking more out of ur ass lol

[graceful nymph]

this came out of your ass..

[urban flax]

Because there were less performance-intensive things in the way back then

[graceful nymph]

what are the performance intensive things

[vital laurel]

go back and play 6.5 and then play now

[graceful nymph]

I said update 4

[vital laurel]

i dont remember update 4 perf, i remember not being able to load in the map on my 1060 a bit before that though, but now 1060 users can run the game

[urban flax]

Different shaders (namely dinosaur and water shaders have changed), foliage physics and other ragdoll elements, weather system, higher-quality assets (namely the new plants), AI animals (that sounds stupid but yeah they affect performance a lot)

Non graphical systems can also affect performance as well

[graceful nymph]

Fair.. But I genuinely think the water looked better in update 4 anyway.. Ragdolls for sure have gotten better. Though water shaders have gotten so much worse.

Lighting overall has downgraded in looks to my eyes

[vital laurel]

im not really sure thats true either, UE5 is more demanding but the other stuff isnt really

[urban flax]

It depends a lot on how it's done

[graceful nymph]

It could also be a UE problem, its always been an unoptimized engine

[vital laurel]

Yes, but also a lot of devs just dont optimise games a lot

[graceful nymph]

ark ascended for example loll

[urban flax]

You can't judge a game's performance by its looks alone

UEBS 2 can handle 1 000 000 soldiers fighting at the same time, and with somewhat decent (though not pretty) graphics at that

Now try having that many units on screen in any other game, even with worse graphics

[graceful nymph]

Something I do notice when playing the game, I'm not all smart with these types of graphics or anything but I notice that most of the time my graphics card is not at full utilization despite my cpu only being utilized like 20%. Graphics card can pull 300W but only does 190ish

[urban flax]

A lot of The Isle's performance issues are server-related

[vital laurel]

Thats because of drivers and how the hardware works, if you use all parts of the GPU youll use 300W but the game might not use all of the GPUs parts or something gets bottlenecked in the software or the hardware

[graceful nymph]

interesting

[icy lion]

@stiff reef Try tapping f11

[proper mantle]

@charred goblet while i like the idea of humans being added, giving them an ability to blind or stun dinos would inevitably be abused. mixpackers already have hypsi's in their packs to blind their victims, I can't see why they wouldn't do the same with humans

[charred goblet]

Unlike a hypsi, which is fueled by food (and silliness), a can of mace rated for big ol dinos would have a limited capacity. You could give it, say, three charges. Before they run out. They’d have to head to a POI to restock, maybe even from an airdrop

Feels like a good way to balance it

[proper mantle]

I can still see it getting abused. Having to go to POI to get it refilled doesn't change anything, hypsis have to go find food as well. At the end of the day, whether it has 1 charge or 20, it's gonna be abused

And if I lose a rex because the mixpackers have a human pet, I'm gonna lose it

Maybe they could access and use that tool while in facilities but just letting them wander the map and help their dino buddies isn't a good idea

[charred goblet]

Yeah, that is true. The whimsical creature in me adores the idea of friendly dinos having a human pet (it’d be me, I want to be the human pet), but the ultimate problem remains mixpacking being wildly powerful

Apes and dinos together strong

Which is bad for balance and immersion

[proper mantle]

I like the idea of humans either being just passive observers who can get eaten, or maybe having some hidden objective that the dev's havent shared with us yet, but letting them wander the map with weapons is no good in my book. insta grow playable that would for some reason be able to stun or blind dinosaurs sounds OP

[charred goblet]

Hmm. Could make it something that, instead of a spray, is more like a spicy smoke grenade with a wide radius—so any dino nearby would suffer the blind

And also possibly the human if they don’t have a gas mask

[proper mantle]

it would just give the mixpack time to surround the dinosaur and wait for the smoke to dissipate

[charred goblet]

True. Though, it might just have to be a trade off. Right now, if a dino spots a human and isn’t feeling merciful, that human is done for. Having some method of escape feels fair to me

[proper mantle]

i mean don't get me wrong, in a perfect world i would support this idea, but there are a lot of scummy players in this game who would abuse just about anything

[charred goblet]

Yeah.

[proper mantle]

@dawn hound while I like the idea of giving mixpacks a harder time, giving ptera a rework just to try and avoid it is just gonna punish all the ptera players out there who don't mixpack. i.e. getting rid of the 1 call isn't gonna hurt the mixpackers because the majority of them are in vc's, plus where is the logic in "ptera can scream on the beach but not inland". In my opinion designing playables or the game specifically to avoid scummy behavior is not good for the game. they need to add mechanics to the game such as in game sickness that spreads if you spend too much time with other species, not nerfing specific dinosaurs because a small group within that playerbase helps mixpacks.

[lavish timber]

The pinning and stunning are the worst things to happen to this game. I just get pinned and mix packers come and I get kebabbed while on my arse. I may as well just lay down and do /death when anyone approaches

[charred goblet]

I like the idea of every dino having a method to deal with other dinos, whether that be fighting, fleeing, or hiding. But that’s not always feasible

[proper mantle]

i don't mind dying to a larger dino if they ambushed me or i wasnt paying attention, but having to sit there and watch while my dinosaur is slowly torn to pieces is so boring. Like i'd rather be dead in 2 bites than have to watch it go slow

[lavish timber]

Me too, I'd rather be 1 shot..but it stops players having to learn when to bite, timing their bites to get the best chance of a kill..now they just press one button and hold it for the kill. Its very boring, especially after how great legacy was with taking the time and effort with just a bite

[proper mantle]

exactly, it not only promotes a lazy playstyle but it is also inescapable and frustrating for everyone else.

[limber hull]

i'll be real, in the situation that you are DIRECTLY in front of a dinosaur, so close that you can MACE it, that's probably your ONLY option before inevitable death

you can't really abuse that because humans are slower than 95% of the roster, the human would have to be doing it in self-defence

[proper mantle]

ohh no my rex can't charge the trike because they've got a human with pepper spray right behind them waiting for me to pounce

[limber hull]

you could do that better with a hypsi than a human

[proper mantle]

hypsi is like the smallest on the roster and still is abused

[limber hull]

like in that situation, you'd literally be better off with a hypsi

[proper mantle]

just because hypsi can do it better doesnt make it any less likely to be abused.

[limber hull]

i'll be real man

i'm more concerned about the literal firearms

than possible abuse options for non-lethal alternatives

[proper mantle]

id rather that humans not be a threat at all in a dinosaur survival game, if i can be real man

[limber hull]

because at least the pepper spray is insanely situational and basically useless to anyone else outside of hyperspecific mixpack scenarios

[proper mantle]

players should only be playing human for the horror aspect, they shouldnt be able to do anything other than run and hide imo

[limber hull]

that's not really much of anything beyond a very surface level gameplay tho is it

and then there's also gen 1 tribals, which will likely be hunting and eating dinos

[proper mantle]

are you saying that you think there should be a very in depth gameplay arc for humans? id rather they just focus on balancing the game and adding new content

[limber hull]

yes absolutely

[proper mantle]

like ohh they delayed giga because they wanted to give the humans pepper spray

[limber hull]

ofc one of the core factions of the game should have indepth gameplay

[proper mantle]

or gen 1 tribals. id rather just have new dinos.

[limber hull]

i could live with that, if that was something that would ever happen

but i doubt that would be the case

[proper mantle]

then you are in the small minority. 99% of the community would be upset if they delayed giga or any other dinoto give humans more tools

[limber hull]

but i also, on the same hand, don't think that scenario WOULD happen

so I genuinely don't really care for it conceptually

[proper mantle]

then why are you arguing about it? 🤣

[limber hull]

cuz u brought it up?

anyway, humans are and always have been planned for this game, with guns, vehicles and all the fun little doohickies one would expect of a survival experience where humans are involved

i personally don't see how adding more than just "big boom gun that kill you" and giving them more non-lethal options is a bad thing

i think that only promotes healthier gameplay

[proper mantle]

my point is that they shouldnt add any of it, whether it be an rpg, a taser, an AK47, or pepper spray.

[limber hull]

well that kind of undermines 10 years of development planning doesn't it

humans were planned for The Isle before dinos were

[proper mantle]

it'll tank their playerbase if people are losing their 12 hour grow trike to a player who spawned in with an rpg

[limber hull]

i don't think you're going to have to worry about rpgs man lmao

i dont think giant explosive weaponry really fits the theme they're going for

[proper mantle]

and an ak47 in a dinosaur survival game does?

that would just turn it into ark

[minor sentinel]

#general-feedback message @graceful nymph how did you do this!? I'm not an expert, but I think you actually have a shot at being an Isle dev.

[limber hull]

i mean

sure? i actually don't think an ak47 has been confirmed, but i genuinely don't see what's that wrong with adding one to humans

ammo is scarce, guns make loud noise and the smell of gunpowder dinos can use to track you down, AKs in general are notorious for not really being able to hit anything outside of a very close range due to their insane spread and recoil

[proper mantle]

i am here to grow, fight, survive, and die as a dino. the moment i have to worry about other players with ak47s it changes the game entirely

[limber hull]

AI lol

literally just fed it into an AI image generator and said "make this look HD graphics" or something

[limber hull]

i mean, the moment you had to worry about players with venom, fractures, climbing and so on changed the game entirely

[minor sentinel]

prove it

[proper mantle]

at least its other dinosaurs, i can appreciate that

[limber hull]

first of all, just look at it

second of all, he said it himself

humans die in one hit to like... most of the roster

they are also FAR slower than most of the roster

their combat also relies entirely on expendable resources, so if they're constantly firing, they're wasting their chance of survival

AND their combat reveals them through sight (muzzle flashes), sound (gunshots) and smell (gunpowder smell)

any Rambo wannabe is getting sent back to the select screen

[proper mantle]

oh man they are slow and loud
tell that to the raptor than just got domed and lost hours of growth

[minor sentinel]

he didn't?

[limber hull]

here. he said it himself, it's AI generated

[limber hull]

you could solve that entirely by not adding sniper rifles imho, which is honestly my only gripe with humans

[minor sentinel]

I fell like he should have said that in the feedback

[proper mantle]

wouldnt take a sniper rifle to kill a raptor

[limber hull]

i could tell it was AI when I saw but i do agree that it would've been nice if he actually mentioned it in the post itself

[limber hull]

says who? we don't know how gun balance will look

that's a 395kg animal. bears can take several rounds and keep chugging

[proper mantle]

all depends on the caliber and where the shot lands

[limber hull]

i just fail to see what is going to be consistently instantly murdering a raptor when guns will likely also be balanced around human combat, and humans have less than a quarter of the health of a raptor

and that's a raptor, one of the smallest creatures in the game

[proper mantle]

imma be real, this isnt going anywhere. you obviously want some kind of Ark clone, while I simply want a dinosaur survival game. have a nice day

[limber hull]

oh no, i hate ark lol

i dont want an ark clone at all lmao

[normal jasper]

Don said humans are anti mixpack so

That implies human very strong and kill all dinosaurs

Dondi forget mixpack just gonna use human themself

[limber hull]

where was this said, and how would you know that they're able to "kill all dinosaur"

[normal jasper]

Because common sense

How would human be anti mixpack if they weak?

If they anti mixpack that mean they very strong and able to kill big Dino

[limber hull]

then wouldn't they be used a lot by mixpackers for mixpacking lol

[viral abyss]

exactly hes point

this matter depends a lot on the weapons added

if they add snipers that would be bs

now if its rifles and shotguns its fine because all dinos are faster then humans

[viral abyss]

just get on top of a rock

not that hard to avoid clones

[indigo gulch]

Unless you’re a playable that can jump, if you can get on the rock, the clone can too

And it usually still gets up there

[limpid dock]

Imho the dilo venom shouldn't do any damage unless it's stam damage. But the hallucinations should be a lot more common and convincing.

[viral abyss]

I think this is already going to happen because of oviraptor

[dawn hound]

How does it punish the ptera players? They would have a more coastal lifestyle, being able to fly around more freely than currently they can above land. Not saying they will immidiatelly plummet to the groun when above terrain, they would be able to fly as how they can right now, and would still have the similiar atrocious stamina regen they have right now when at terrain, or at least to some similiar extend. At coasts ptera would be able to fly far more actively, loosing far less stamina than it does right now anywhere, and glide for far longer periods of times if using the albatross flying technique.

Secondly, there is no logic behind ptera not being able to broadcast inland besides like air humidity, just like there is no logic behind a 200kg animal being able to jump from tree to tree freely and not get damaged each time it jumps at something from great heights. Its not a hyper-realistic game anyway, the diet system doesnt make sense at all for example, neither do gastroliths, and neither does picking mutations. Its just for the idea of preventing most mixpack acts, and yea, it wont prevent them fully, but definitely to some extend.

Thirdly, sickness wouldve been a good idea but how do you prevent it when the mixpack members can be spread around freely instead of tight up closely, and when thirdpartying should be an all natural thing to allow opportunism? The idea for me for ptera isnt a nerf, it just gives it a different playstyle in a different area, and it doesnt forbid the creature from doing its thing, as I mentioned there would be barely any difference of it on terrain as of currently, only making its roars quieter and stamina regen slower.

[proper mantle]

How does it not punish Ptera players? You are exiling them to the coasts and not letting them vocalize because you are afraid of the small minority that mixpacks. Ptera can't get perf diet on beaches unless it's really lucky. I guess you don't want them to explore the map and do anything besides sit on the rocks on the beach all day, and all because of the actions of 5% of the ptera player base.

By the same logic to avoid mixpacks rexes shouldn't be allowed to leave Delta and trikes shouldn't be allowed to leave highlands

No playable other that deino ofc should be locked to a certain biome because you are afraid of what the minority of players do

[dawn hound]

Again, I said that their capabilities would be the same or near similiar above terrain as of right now. When at coasts and above oceans, they would be able to fly far better.

I never said that im exiling them nor does my suggestion make them only go to coasts, but it makes coasts a far more prefferable spot for their existence

Coasts arent a single biome, theyre, well, coasts, and around every corner of the map

[proper mantle]

The beach is definitely a biome

Sand and rocks and not much else

[dawn hound]

I didnt say specifically sandy beaches

i said coasts, any

and again, ptera still would have the same capabilities above terrain as it has right now with slight difference

i dont get why youre saying im exiling them to a certain biome

[proper mantle]

Making it so ptera is more playable only in specific areas because you are afraid of mixpacking is a dumb idea, end of story. I shouldn't be pushed to stay on the coasts just because of what the minority of the player base does.

[dawn hound]

Who says im pushing the ptera's to coasts?

[proper mantle]

And it would never be implemented

[dawn hound]

it would literally have the same capabilities

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-i-guess-bro-bro-what-whatever-you-say-gif-16572066316579867256

[proper mantle]

If it has the same capabilities no matter where it is then how exactly does it counteract mixpacks? Wasn't that the whole point?

Making them less vocal does nothing as they are already in a vc

And if they fly the same no matter what, then how does that deter them from scouting for their buddies?

It makes no real difference to the mixpackers so the reasoning kind of just doesn't make sense, why give ptera a rework if it doesn't actually accomplish what it was meant to do

[dawn hound]

It would fix it to some extend. It wouldnt fix it fully obviously, but finally the whole biome wouldnt know my animal's presence by some annoying reptilain hovering above my head and screaming his lungs out.

[proper mantle]

Just leave the area. It's not that hard to lose a ptera if you want. They shouldn't rework any entire dinosaur just because you find it annoying

And if that ptera is mixpacking, their group is gonna know whether or not they are spamming 1

[dawn hound]

Its not a rework, its literally just stat changes when in certain areas and slight sound design when also in certain areas. And its not that I find them annoying, they literally just indicate the whole biome that I am there. Just leaving isnt enough.

[dawn hound]

Thats true, but it will fix them letting know of my location to the entire biome.

Mixpacks cant really be prevented. ''Stress system'' ''Disease system'' ''Smell system'' or whatnot. There are different ways people can mixpack, and many of these systems would prove themselves only partially useful, not fully.

[proper mantle]

I'm out of here. You want to make large changes to ptera (I guess large changes aren't a rework) specifically to deter mixpacking but at the same time admit that oh wait we can't even prevent mixpacking. You are contradicting yourself. No point making large changes to a dinosaur when even you can admit it does nothing.

[dawn hound]

True, the main premise isnt mixpack prevention, but it encourages the players to go to coasts more. I had this idea before, but wanted to add on an idea to it that could slightly prevent mixpacks. I just realized I put it up as a solution towards mixpacking even though Its not full so im sorry about that, but otherwise I think the idea is good.

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message what

[wintry cipher]

@proper bluff I would advise not listening to whoever told you that misinformation because Don himself stated first person would not work in regards to this topic. It would be impossible to defend yourself from behind with such which is obvious. The only thing I’ve seen him say on it is fixing motion sickness issues, so its a wait and see until it is done because at this point people spread so much misinformation about it he's not being transparent about it.

[icy lion]

@proper bluff It has never been stated that the dinos will become first person. Do not spread misinformation

[icy lion]

@rain basin DM me please

[charred goblet]

While I want for there to be ways to defend yourself as a human, I can totally see why no one’s eager to lose their dino to a human with a gun who’s had to put in a fraction of the time and effort

It could be justified as whatever shady corporation that’s responsible for putting dinos on the island and dropping humans on it sees the dinos as more valuable investments. So maybe the best we’d get is a tranq gun

Depletes dino stamina when shot, and if it gets too low, they fall asleep

Play like patient hunters, stalking, tranqing, and tagging dinos for study

With the caveat being, a tranq to the chest isn’t going to drop a dino before it rips you apart if you ain’t careful and sneaky

[ebon geyser]

We're almost definitely getting more than just tranqs
They've shown pistols and bolt actions, previous versions had M4s, unless there's a massive change in game design for humans they're (sadly) going to have a very good arsenal

[charred goblet]

Hopefully not all at once!

As someone who’s had to carry a combat load before, that shit’s heavy! We ain’t Doomguy over here

[ebon geyser]

I imagine there will be a weight load for the inventory or atleast a maximum amount of storage space, would be weird if there wasn't