but then once you have the viable breeding population, the cost over time goes down dramatically as opposed to the R&D costs to develop the genetic coding
#isle-lore-theories
sweet matrix
feral agate
or get killed, cuz guns hurt
icy onyx
viable breeding population would need a lot of meat
sweet matrix
goats are cheap tho (relatively speaking)
feral agate
also, between moving several 500 kg animals into a place and just car bombing it, whats easier and sneakier?
sweet matrix
but either way, I feel like weaponized lifeforms would be more viable and in certain cases work better than the equivalent chemical/biological/nuclear weapons (as far as WMDs go)
feral agate
I cant see where, then again, I'm not very creative, and think explosives fix everything
not even joking, I like to brainstorm, give some ideas
fun talk this is
sweet matrix
as far as conventional weapons go, there are a number of assumptions that need to be addressed/considered, namely if the means of creating them is cost-effective enough
icy onyx
Explosives have been proven to be able to fix everything
sweet matrix
as a member of the military I'd both agree and disagree xD
sweet matrix
they certainly scratch that itch, but it all depends on what the objective is
icy onyx
If you are a terror organisation, you dont care how you kill ppl
feral agate
animal brain dinos? useless. human piloted ''avatar'' dino? maybe useful
icy onyx
and what the effects are
if you are a military, deploying dinos to the frontlines isnt biggest brain
feral agate
emp capable super animal human piloted ''avatar'' dino? ooh lala
icy onyx
and killing civies is no good cause of geneva conventions
sweet matrix
and in a world where a cost-effective means of breeding dinosaurs exists, then the organizations that exist in that world would have priorities shifted
feral agate
mayhaps the ''replicator'' could make dinos like its water
sweet matrix
but as far as military goes, dinosaurs would certainly occupy a similar place to MWDs
feral agate
then I see that making 1000 dinos costs less than sending some armed dudes. yeah, I can see that
sweet matrix
special forces would absolutely love to deploy with 3-5 velociraptors
icy onyx
big
feral agate
it all depends on this ''replicator'' stuff. if it can make dinos and food just like that? it could work
fucking aliens man. I'm telling you
sweet matrix
agreed. Especially since genetic replication/breeding could be used to create more than just dinosaurs. You could easily breed feed animals as well
sweet matrix
hence my point on why the assumption needs to be considered
icy onyx
matter must come from matter
sweet matrix
matter must come from something
sweet matrix
it can also come from energy, though the physics behind that prevents any real mass-produceable result
feral agate
just call it ''quantum-stabilized matter creation'' or some shit
sweet matrix
Eh, is still fun to consider
feral agate
cough cough we got some 11 dimensions cough cough
welp, duty calls, fun talk. see yall
sweet matrix
but either way, my main point is that weaponized animals are a viable option to use
and as much as I enjoy thinking/talking about this, I'd rather be gaming with the extremely limited time I have off
toxic breach
Probs been mentioned before here, but has there been any indication of what stops modern sea/flyers getting to the isle, and prehistoric ones escaping?
Is there meant to be a giant wall in the ocean or something?
analog trout
maybe some kind of electrical field like a giant electric fence
inner viper
On thenyaw, you can see gulls flying off of the coast at a certain location, and on both maps you hear birdsong during the sunrise. So I'd assume that means there isn't anything to stop modern fliers from approaching the island.
woeful chasm
I don’t think we know if there was an aquatics breach or not
We know there was for the aviary at least Alfie... could be pteras haven’t found the breach yet?
Islands could be too far for most to get to?
odd sable
when it comes to massive pterosaurs like a Pteranodon or a Quetz, geographic barriers mean nothing to these guys.
I'd imagine they're using a "dissuasion" device like the one that generated static at the human compounds.
woeful chasm
A ptera isn’t massive though...?
shut remnant
it is massive, larger than any flying organism today. What he's saying is that both quetz and ptera are amazing gliders and could probably travel across oceans within a reasonable time frame
personally I kinda think there's some attractive force to the island rather than a cage but I'm not sure
woeful chasm
Ah gotcha
vague dome
already explained in primal carnage lore
the wings were reduced insize to prevent this
woeful chasm
I wonder how lore-wise the future aquatics and ptera will spawn in? If they do the air dropped cages, are they dropped in water only (for aquatics)?
icy onyx
Hyper Alfie should theoretically starve
Buut, its technically a Shrödinger's paradox
As there is chance it somehow didn't starve/die
loud river
Or uh
Maybe the birds and gulls were brought to the island in the first place and didn't actually come to the island themselves
At before convo
slow delta
nothing holding them there though
loud river
🤷 If the island is far away from any land masses, that'll hold them there
limber pumice
I suppose if you want to get real deep into it - weather could play a factor too. Like huge storms making large waves and sweeping stuff away and winds. Could always be a random chance something survives that and ends up on another island.
hushed grove
Guys Gulls can fly pretty damn far.
icy onyx
yep
sudden saffron
yep they glide on thermals for hours
toxic breach
albatrosses can travel across the entire ocean. no place they can't get to.
also what stops aquatics getting in/out?
what's to stop mosas swimming off and terrorising US beaches, or orca pods eating all the icthyosaurs?
would need a wall so big nothing like it has ever been built.
silk glen
Could a oxy change do that? Like if theres lots in the water near the island but once you get too far it drops out once you get outa dino zone or whatever so they drown? Was there lots more in the water like in the air then?
toxic breach
they breath air though, not water
toxic breach
not sure how much there was then, but it varies tons across the time periods dinos were around
and that would need a dome hundreds of miles across over the entire island
silk glen
We have genetically modified dinosaurs and possible large scale underwater buildings, a dome at least big enough for a single island wouldnt be out of the question i dont think in terms of how reasonable it would be. A dome would also keep out things on its own so it makes sense why people would put one
grizzled dune
Wasn't there a thing in JP Where dinosaurs required a certain enzyme or w/e to actually live,and they could only get said enzyme through food that's only available on the island?
I imagine something similar could be used for the game
silk glen
Maybe, would keep em from yeeting into a city or something
willow hedge
Or maybe its something with the chip all dinos have went brought to the island... the chip might start to hurt them if they go to far... (hurt and maybe even kill to avoid it start destroying ecosystems around the world)
toxic breach
the certain enzyme in the food would work to keep the extinct animals in, but still nothing keeping the modern ones out.
what stops modern sharks and whales from screwing with the ecosystem?
the spero map is 32km across, and to be out of sight of the playable area a big wall would need to be at least 5km beyond the map edge.
it comes out as a wall over 150km long going from sea floor upwards.
then again maybe it's future tech and making that kind of structure is easy
icy onyx
Average seafloor depth is 3.7km
soo ye, a 150km long wall thats lets say meter thick and 3.7km high
soo
0.13875 km³ of material per section of wall
soo 0.555km³ for the entire wall
icy onyx
AC-130 patrols around the island blasting away to shape the ecosystem
ember lance
They look cool
icy onyx
true
dapper tree
If you think you could, why wouldn't you try
ember lance
Whats a world reset
digital vale
Apollo didn't create dinosaurs, Phoenix did. Apollo only followed their footsteps and took the whole project on higher level.
ember lance
Then why did phenix create them
digital vale
I believe we don't know the real reason (or why did they worked on Magnatyrannus/Novaraptor/Hypo Quetz etc.), but publically, they presented the idea of cohabitation between dinosaurs and humans (so basically, JP/JW)
Also World resetting = apocalypse that's around the size of mass extinction.
ember lance
Reset leads me to believe towards total extinction
maybe not everything, but perhaps humans
digital vale
Depends. But I don't think this is the reason why would humans develop dinosaurs, dinosaur strains and whatever else. It would be much much easier and quicker to use atom bombs.
ember lance
But the fallout tho
Sure we have many bombs rn in the world but I wouldnt nuke a 30 population village
But an dino on the other hand
A strong perhaps
ornate flower
a lot of Phoenix's dinosaurs are engineered for warfare
digital vale
One village =/= mass extinction. If you need to destroy the world, use nukes. If you want to destroy city, use soldiers, tanks, or bomb perhaps. One way or another, it's extremly useless to develop dinosaurs only because you want to use them in a war.
ornate flower
that's partly why i wonder if Apollo came first chronologically, and Phoenix is the one that stole or adapted the tech
digital vale
Phoenix was first and Apollo "attacked" them (Project Inferno), which caused the whole madness that's curently in Primal Carnage's timeline. Apollo stole they assets (Magna Rex, Hyper Quetz and Nova Raptor) and most likely used them as a base for their Hyper/Neuro/... development.
I don't know that much about PC lore, but, was there stated dinosaurs were engineered for war reasons? I'm genuienly asking, I heard it here quite few times but I didn't find any information about that.
icy onyx
Dinosaurs for war is such a silly theory
They would pose no tactical advantage what so ever
given how expensive it is to genetically modify such a thing
Compare that cost to a few hundred missiles
Maybe they’d bring dinosaurs into fruition to discover one of life’s mysteries?
Besides what would a large dinosaur even bring to a war zone apart from more logistical nightmare and confusion
Crazy!
Raptors are the only plausible trainable animal in that situation but even then why not just make hyper aggressive dogs
icy onyx
give me a tank, uhh 3 shells just to be sure, an experienced crew
and rex is no more
1 hit is all it takes to fuck it up
ornate flower
well, given what snippets of mention of Mr. Carter are available in PC:E, he doesn't sound like common sense matters much to him
so to him, dinosaurs for warfare make sense i guess
shut remnant
dondi isn't forced to use all of PCE lore, I'm sure that's one thing he'd absolutely skip
icy onyx
You don’t even need a tank
shut remnant
the ONLY thing I could see being useful is mayyyybe neuro and tiso and that's just because we don't know how they work
icy onyx
Yea honestly
icy onyx
@icy onyx eh I would take tank for 2 reasons
a) better mobility
b) better accuracy
why not just an IFV with a big missile on it
you dont even need a missile
a .50 cal would tear something like a trex apart
True tbh
icy onyx
Well, infantry would be maybe threatened
as combat stress is a thing
when theres a 6 ton animal charging you at lets say 40 kph
your accuracy would drop
by a lot
shut remnant
if there are even like 6 people all firing at it, the rex will die even if they are innacurate
it is a MASSIVE taret
icy onyx
and tbh, a normal infantry squad has an at soldier
shut remnant
you don't need anything explosive/at
icy onyx
ye but every modern squad has one of those
also grenadiers which have underbarrel grenade launchers
shut remnant
regular guns, that's all you need, and ye I guess fair enouh
if you want to be EXCEPTIONALLY good at killing rexes you can use that
icy onyx
and some might say that a hyper can regen fast af... ye maybe
buut
gl regenerating a brain getting blown off
wind jewel
idk if this has been talked about before, but what's keeping the pteranodons from leaving the island(s)?
well besides the aviary's
icy onyx
honestly... we don't know
Only thing we know is that hyper-alfie is MIA so he probably managed to escape
wind jewel
oh boy. isn't that the hyper quetz?
potent pike
Perhaps there is a tracking chip inside of them that delivers a perhaps fatal shock to any pterosaur that goes a certain distance from the islands
wind jewel
perhaps, but that sounds like it leads to a high mortality rate in the pterosaur populations. (I suppose it's nothing the replicator can't solve though)
then again if that were the case, surely the human soul in the pterosaur will realize after 1 or 2 tries that leaving isn't an option
pseudo berry
Or a sonic inhibitors that make it so they don’t fly off
wind jewel
that actually makes sense
worldly socket
I dunno if someone said this before but I have a small theory about Titan, I think it was an empty place with a giant skeleton in it and tons of rain storms filled it, (Just a theory)
plucky delta
Is that a joke? I can’t tell lol
worldly socket
No it isnt
If it was really with a bone inside IMA GO IN AND EAT IT
xd
cuz actully theres a giant bone in it and its named big bone
plucky delta
Well yes that’s obviously what happened, no question about it. The question with the bones in titan lake is where they came from and what they were bones of
clever walrus
Of course Titan was empty. Because before they built the dam. It was just a river going through a small Valley. That's what dams do. They hold water to make Lakes. Lol
icy onyx
idk if this has been talked about before, but what's keeping the pteranodons from leaving the island(s)?
@wind jewel
maybe auto turrets?
far more effective than a sonic inhibitor or a fatal shock chip, because it would just, shoot them, lol
@icy onyx fatal shock chip would just... shock them
lol
quartz mason
I thought the island was in a dome with an artificial weather system. Due to the weather being man made it would allow the neuro spino to "control the weather"
ember lance
🤔
vagrant lantern
zinc acorn
Because of the style of the preview vid for the recode evrima, I think AE decided to abandon holding the dinos on the island, instead letting them loose to evolve the ecosystem and monitor them from a distance. "Stegosaurus genotype 2" is one of the examples of AEs little influence on the ecosystem.
In 'hope' it shows that dinosaurs have been observed to do certain things, not have been altered to do it.
They alter dinos briefly but have little influence and monitor the changes and watch the ecostytem evolve with the creatures hat live on the islands
T h e r o r i e s
ionic kiln
grave thorn
I thought about that whole thing why there are no roads connecting the buildings and maybe it's supposed to be that old that the roads disappeared or they never built any which would indicate that the buildings are connected underground. could there be a whole facility be in the ground and we will see more when we finally get caves (I would love to enter a vault like fallout3 ahhhhhh) imagine the pleasure being small enough to find these things apexes can just dream of hehehe
quartz mason
There will be bunkers that small dinos can going into. I searched and found this. Hopefully this is still official stuff
plucky delta
didnt they have the aviary to contain the pteradons?
vague dome
that is all market bought assests only used for the kickstarter trailer
none of it will return
not in that form
quartz mason
alright but I would assume the concept of a "bunker" is still likely
vague dome
implementing a underground bunker like that would take a lot of assets to be hand made plus a lot of finanguling trying to make it not break that map
underground structures are generally a bitch to work with
and don't really need to be ingame at all
and from a lore pespective why would AE give it's human subjects more ways to defend themselves
it's too safe
quartz mason
Well there is a underwater laboratory so that seems pretty safe
vague dome
an area that is 99% of the time cut off from anyone not permitted inside
quartz mason
fair point
grave thorn
even AE would have some sort of facilities for their staff there. why not do it like conan and add extra space on the map where you go when you enter a dungeon, would act same as normal map space but you would have a little loading screen
vague dome
the island is designed to kill it's inhabitants
and AE ain't a normal company
their more eldritch than that
grave thorn
just talking about them having staff like a normal company, they film everything. sure they kill people with the islands but they don't kill their staff??? are the people running this reptiloids??? xDDD
meager fulcrum
human soul?? = Profile
Profile control dino or merc or tribal
profile have knowledge they give to replicator when they die
if replicator likes the amount of knowledge the profile gives
then they get a "better" body
replicator is hella biased so like
if u dont get what it wants
it makes u something constnatly in pain or at a disadvantage
profiles eventually fall into a rut tho
constantly repeating the same things
at which point the replicator finds them useless
crimson oasis
I might be late to this discussion but could someone explain the replicator to me? Is it just as it sounds or is there more of a story to it?
crimson oasis
Thanks, hellshade, appreciate it man
balmy halo
so is there official lore or just theories
crimson oasis
There is some, just not much, mixed with a lot of speculation.
bronze pike
Right now its all theory til we get more transmissions or ingame lore documentation
quartz mason
I think a while back I heard mercs can but shouldn't be eating dinosaur meat. They would have to acquirer can foods and such.
bronze pike
We dont know if that will remain the case
digital vale
I don't think that's a lore theory, though
bronze pike
Its not
crimson oasis
Hey, about what elynes said, maybe eating the dinosaur meat is what made the cannibals? As in whatever (virus, nanobot, whatever) is producing strains in the dinosaurs got transferred into a human by consuming it?
wind rover
ok someone explain to me Tartarus, the matriarch, colossus, titan, project inferno, what the gateway is, and Apollo Engineering
tranquil ocean
@wind rover check pins, nice doc and a slightly outdated website with info on that stuff
grizzled dune
Tried to answer the questions,hope it clears it up.
Tartarus :
Tartarus is a location,possibly an island.
It was said to be "active"whatever that means.
When we asked about it,we were told:
"User Inquiry: Tartarus
This distribution of this information will disrupt the natural development of the profiles during phase four.
They must learn of it of their own accord.
Within parameters designated by Apollo Engineering.
Error: Unknown Profile
Error: Unknown Profile
Error: Profile Redacted
We do not tolerate trespassers."
and also:
"Tartarus: NEIP Redistribution"
I personally believe It's the location in which we play.
An entire island in which field research is conducted and subjects' capabilities are tested.
Matriarch:
When we asked about the matriarch we've been told:
"User Inquiry: The Matriarch
Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an EIP.
I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus.
Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study.
|
It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name."
Dondi also shared the original idea they had for the matriarch quite recently on stream,here's a clip:
https://clips.twitch.tv/ConfidentFitSmoothieUWot
Whether or not that idea still holds up,we're not sure.
colossus:
Both the matriarch and the Reaper were said to be human versions of their respective strains (Echidna:neuro, Reaper:Tisso)
So it's fair to assume that the same goes for colossus, but we can't be 100% sure.
titan:
not sure what you mean by "titan",if it's the giant skeleton in Titan lake,afaik,that's just a placeholder asset.
see: https://gyazo.com/f40571ad06f3bb1e6ee018684da64daf
Project inferno:
When we asked about Operation inferno we've been told:
"User Inquiry: Operation Inferno
Generating…
One moment…
The acquisition of designate Phoenix assets at [REDACTED] location
Estimated 75 years of replicated EIP data between five subjects and initial process specimens.
Operation Status: Complete"
It was the,as far we know, illegal operation AE conducted in collusion with Lawrence Carter (Phoenix's CEO) to get phoenix's assets.
I'm not sure why they would want the phoenix stuff,so that's something to think about.
What the gateway is:
When we asked about the gateway,we've been told:
"User Inquiry: Gateway
Facility holding that transports EIP to Tartarus.
Status: Locked Gateway Node Is Offline.
Physical Reboot Required.
User Inquiry: Gateway Location
Rear connection facility between designate I-2 and I-1.
Status: Locked"
see also:
"User Inquiry: Phoenix Corporation History
I do not have an archived history.
Status: Unknown
Location: Unknown
Staff: Unknown
Apollo Engineering acquired Phoenix Corporation assets in Operation Inferno in collusion with Lawrence Carter.
The resulting acquisition has allowed phase four of Gateway facilities to commence."
Apollo Engineering:
AE is the company responsible for most of what we see in current game and read about in the lore.
All the dinosaurs,strains and what not.
The "why" of all this and what are AE's motivations is still unclear.
Some theorize AE does this for military reasons,creating terrifying biological weapons,however it doesn't seem make much sense.
Others theorize AE's motives are related to medicine,because in Greek mythology Apollo is a god of healing (also the god of music, light,prophecy and enlightenment).
wind jewel
I feel bad for anyone who gets stuck in an Oro body. they have a lifespan of 5-10 seconds
slow delta
but as you know: theendisnevertheend
wind jewel
true
idle pagoda
Tartarus
[ˈtärdərəs]
DEFINITION
a primeval god, offspring of Chaos.
a part of the underworld where the wicked suffered punishment for their misdeeds, especially those such as Ixion and Tantalus who had committed some outrage against the gods.
so we getting some choas\
grizzled dune
yee
in greek mythology chaos is the first thing to exist
"Chaos was – most Greek cosmologies tell us – the very first of all, the origin of everything, the empty, unfathomable space at the beginning of time"
I believe Chaos is the AI that controls and oversees all the island
lusty olive
Is this isle related? Or just Greek mythology?
grizzled dune
The tweets and what not are lore related
Also keep in mind that we've been told everything lore wise is related to greek mythology
"If you haven't figured this out because you're mentally inept,everything revolves around Greek mythology,that's where you should be looking.
Apollo Engineering.
y'know,Tartarus."
lusty olive
I was just wondering, I’m vary interested in both topics
grizzled dune
Source: Dev pow wow dondi did shortly after Magnatyrannus's reveal : https://pastebin.com/C9tSrHmC
vague dome
brain fart
the 3 human strains are actually representations of the titans of greek myth
colossus being an obvious parallel to kronos
and Echidna as the mother of cannibals being the one that gave birth to the gods
bronze pike
Except reaper the tisso strain is no longer accurate
bronze pike
Until they change them to
vague dome
highly doubt they will
those two have some actual presence in the lore
and don't seem to be on the chopping block
bronze pike
That we know of, to be honest we dont know til we have 100% confirmation but I hope they dont I like echidna
icy onyx
again, Echidna is literally mother of monsters in greek mythology @vague dome
vague dome
eh close enough
icy onyx
a half-woman, half-snake, mate of Typhon and mother of many greek monsters
tho only mention of colossus in relation to greeks I can find is Colossus of Rhodes which is statue of god Helios
bronze pike
Wouldn't colossus be more like the titans?
icy onyx
maybe
olive tree
So question. The camera interference around buildings, lore wise are we followed by drones and thats why we get it?
icy onyx
All dinos (except the nested ones) are supposed to have some sort of chip (the mechanic isnt finished so even those nested in 'have' it) and possibly the interference is reacting with the chip to keep dinos away and protect personel
orchid heron
whatever happened to para saying that lore stuff was on his list for feb
feb is almost over lol
limber pumice
Eh anything can happen in a month.
I doubt that he's skipped over it. Things can and will get busy. I'm looking forward for when it does come.
orchid heron
lol ill ping him on the last day just for the memes
icy onyx
K
wide trench
Excuse me, what do we know so far that is relevant regarding Primal Carnage lore?
slow delta
Well the main thing is that apollo engineering acquired assets from phoenix international from operation inferno. Any other detail about operation inferno's origin is speculation
And we suspect the magnas may be pc dinos
Also pc's quetz became a hyper
icy onyx
pc had a quetz?
nocturne kestrel
bronze pike
Tapejara
ornate flower
he shows up on the marsh map, way up in the air, but he doesn't have a proper model. instead he's represented with a giant black Ptera model that was flattened
warm bear
That's kinda eerie.
icy onyx
You can use commands to make your dinosaur bigger. Thats just a grown ptera
barren kelp
it's in the map by default. it's not a player.
icy onyx
Aight H***shade, this what I got in mind
The dinosaurs are ot necessarily being controlled by the people of the isle, but I've been being watched. The dinosaurs know this and that puts him under stress... the scientists are observing and purposely forcing the dinosaurs to combat each other
@slow delta, won't ping yah anymore 
Another idea of mine is that these dinosaurs were recreated to what the scientist believe was genetically correct.
slow delta
maybe
imo theories atm are pointless because we have no new info to base them on and we might even lose most of our current lore due to evrima
icy onyx
Possibly but I doubt it... but I'm gonna ramble on my theories
As for the Morse code from the radio tower and the super hidden messages with in the loading screens, I believe that the dinosaurs were possibly, not assuredly, possibly could discern what the Morse code means. Most of the players don't know Morse code, I intend to find out there for living out my theory
And here is a theory that I definitely know is 100% true. When mercenaries and cannibals come to the isle and flashlights or possibly night vision is used, all dinosaurs eyes are going to glow in the light
As the scientist were observing the dinosaurs, the stress that the dinosaurs were under made them extremely dangerous therefore forcing the scientists and visitors off the island
slow delta
i dont see why dinos wouldnt be dangerous before your so called stress
and i doubt the isle's intended to have visitors since we see no recreational structures in the maps and the devs have said they arent going to go the jp route when it comes to the origins of the dinos
icy onyx
Well think about it, the "stress" could possibly be the dinos knowing they're being watched. But that's a shot in the dark.
In the transcript of the loading screens, it says that visitors must wear ID tags on the isle
and I don't mean visitors as in tourists in Jurassic Park, I mean visitors who are possibly maybe wealthy businessman or sinister feigns with malicious plots. The gateways possibly the loading screen into the server, I don't know about the rest of it
slow delta
ah ok
icy onyx
You think I could be on the same page? I doubt I'm anywhere close to being right or correct
slow delta
i doubt any of us are on the same page
icy onyx
Lol, bot why not
slow delta
cause i also doubt the devs have thought out the lore themselves
it's just dondi and his ideas
but that has caused some lore conflictions which dont make much sense
which is why i think the lore will be getting a reboot with phase 2
icy onyx
Hmm... well, EVRIMA mentioned new lore and buildings.
Yep
Here's my hypothesis about the EVRIMA drop, and I know this is a shot in the dark but here goes nothing, scientists, construction workers, and operation planners have discovered a new island that is more suitable for a greater variety of species and a greater area of access for many of the dinos
I mean whats ur take H***shade?
Maybe even a new loading screen, a new computer terminal, maybe even new decoding pages
Yo @olive burrow, you have any idea on theories?
Or any info?
olive burrow
Wouldn't really be isle theories if I gave you guys tips 😛
icy onyx
slow delta
tips n' tricks
icy onyx
I literally made that face when you said "tips"... so you have more info in ur noggin that ur unwilling to tell?
olive burrow
Am I about to get my head pecked open
icy onyx
Good morning Packet
delicate flint
"packet"
limber pumice
Feel free to share your knowledge. We have lots of time. ☕
pliant kayak
icy onyx
It’s not a theory but I want to see other people’s opinions on this.
Why are there no deer or any other mammals on the isle
twin crater
Well.
I mean. Let's say for example there were mammals on the Isle. Like scale modern fauna. Deer, Bovids, Wolves. What have you. Inject a apex predators and massive herbivores. They'll get outcompeted pretty quick
vital tree
Even the lower tier carnivore animals in the isle could easily beat most apex carnivores of today
icy panther
I feel like it would be cool for tribals to have like draft horses and such
And they could apply war paint on them like native Americans once did
quartz mason
Have you seen what the tribals will look like
indigo torrent
does anyone remember the cannibals
quartz mason
yeah
soft geyser
I'd rather the tribals use enslaved/tamed dinosaurs as their draft horses.
digital vale
I'm not quite sure how would that practically work, it could cause some gameplay problems. Imagine you "tame" a dinosaur aka another player - there is a very big chance they wouldn't give a f*ck about you and most likely would rather kill you than roleplay with you. If Devs would prevent dinosaurs to do any damage to their "owners" or disobeying them, well, that doesn't sound very fun to play as dino then.
But if those dinosaurs would be only an AI, the question is, howwould they even tame/domesticate them? I understand Isle isn't 100% realistic game, but it's still weird imagining those rough-looking ogres taming a Rex (referring to concept art). But not gonna lie, it would be interesting if they or any other human faction had pens with Avas.
opaque crane
Its not taming or domestication, really. More beating an animal into submission continually until it either dies from disobeying too much or gives up
You wont be best friends withyour dino mount, theyre your slave and they can fight back or obey
unreal topaz
I almost partially disagree, there would have to be some benefit to being tamed or "enslaved" as a dinosaur player. If it wasn't people could just be unhappy and log once being cornered into being forced to belong to someone. It'd be unbalanced otherwise
quartz mason
The dino can't log since the tribals would just kill them, but there would be a benefit to being "enslaved" by the tribals possibly putting armor on you and feeding you but it does depend on your owner as well
soft geyser
Unless it's played like Conan or Ark.
But I dont think mechanic speculation is right for the lore channel.
warm bear
It isn't. It's better off in #401464048610312195
icy onyx
I agree @warm bear
orchid heron
@icy onyx what ever happened to lore being on your list for feb?
we almost in march
paper eagle
when humans come I want the dinos and humans be able to work together. I mean dinos can be aggro and attack humans and destroy building or get in, but I wanna also be able to tame ai dinos which has use to me like scouting or sounding an alarm. Another idea is that willing dino players would be able to let me work with them and ride them. It would be awesome, like how the guy in the movie tamed utahs, so i think we should be able to do the same with player dino if they are friendly 🙂
sorry if my english is bad ;-;
icy onyx
@icy onyx what ever happened to lore being on your list for feb?
@orchid heron I've gotten some stuff from our loreboss and he's writing some goodies up for me and we've had some chatter in discussion here and there. It's a pretty all encompassing thing to be handed and then parse into neat chunks that won't spoil things.
So will the lore be spliced bit by bit each new update @icy onyx?
It's a pretty all encompassing thing to be handed and then parse into neat chunks that won't spoil things.
@icy onyx hence that...
Sry to ping twice
digital vale
(PS - don't tag Devs next time, it's in the rules. You might get bricked for it)
icy onyx
I'm one of the few you can tag but being double tagged isn't needed in the same line of inquiry.
Delivering the lore in a way that allows player discovery is important I feel but that isn't a decision I solely make.
Aight thanks para... sry for the double tag tho
jovial eagle
opaque crane
yeah
paper furnace
I wonder how much of it was made while he was drunk
vague dome
if only you knew half of it
steep wadi
The hypo stains and that look like it was from his nightmares, especially the tisso spino and type D giga, terrifying
analog trout
type d is not official
steep wadi
Isn't it? Saw anthomnias video about it and listened to it's calls, sounds amazing
chrome acorn
It’s not official it’s anths personal mod he wants to have
steep wadi
Naw, it should be official
icy onyx
Official strains are hypers, neuros and tissos
low zephyr
imagine if the dino wher just some sort of atraction, like if the human had some wierd technologie that the dino can not see them, and the AI are just robot that was created for that the people can see a predateur hunt.
cinder coral
For some reason that just made me think of humans hunting dinosaurs by dousing themselves with dino pee....I hate my brain
icy onyx
AI WILL CONQUEST THE WORLD
now i know isle story
The computers took control of the isle and they are spying us with AI. People name them as this becasue they are artifficial intellingence
vague dome
This channel makes me ache in my semi informed heart
woeful chasm
Reminder: this channel is for serious isle lore discussions only. Thank you.
lethal patio
when humans come I want the dinos and humans be able to work together. I mean dinos can be aggro and attack humans and destroy building or get in, but I wanna also be able to tame ai dinos which has use to me like scouting or sounding an alarm. Another idea is that willing dino players would be able to let me work with them and ride them. It would be awesome, like how the guy in the movie tamed utahs, so i think we should be able to do the same with player dino if they are friendly 🙂
@paper eagle
Play Ark. It actually has all of those you just asked about.
opaque crane
Dinosaurs should not be your friends
shadow island
I mean yeah, but there will always be people who want to be friends with dinosaurs and vice versa
They gonna be teaming up sometimes y'know
quartz mason
This is a channel for lore so if you don't wanna risk getting kicked/banned you might wanna move this convo to #401464048610312195
faint lagoon
i saw a meme about crocodiles in the other chat so now I'm convinced that the isle is just some island off the coast of Australia & that's why no-ones government has stepped in because hey it's just Australian wildlife nothing to see here folks
paper eagle
@lethal patio thx. I'll try it.
stoic creek
Spicy theory: Isle is set somewhere here since it apparently has pangasius catfish living wild
earnest plover
might've been imported and they bred in the wild on the island
ornate flower
pangas catfish are pretty adaptable, so they can thrive in all sorts of places, so it doesn't restrict them to SE Asia
faint lagoon
this lines up with my "it's near australia" theory
oh yeah, it's all coming together
shadow pine
Probably more in the north/south pole cause you can see northern lights
weary rose
^ I was thinking that, too, but I don’t think it makes sense
vague dome
wow almost like the island is in fact not bound to any set location or time but is instead a completely artificial like it was terraformed just like it said in the console
weary rose
No need for shade
People are speculating.
Just because the island itself is terraformed and artificial doesn’t mean it can’t be set somewhere specific in the world
vague dome
and thats important because
feral pond
Hey man, we don't need the snark here.
vague dome
sorry
weary rose
Yeah thanks. People are allowed to have fun
vague dome
just getting a bit sick of the stagnation with this channel
shadow pine
Possibly in iceland
weary rose
You might need a break from looking at it, then. Nobody is doing any harm
vague dome
wish we didn't talk to death about the very few break throughs we did have
like the one limitation the replicator had in it's earlier stages
and some clear evidence that at-least part of the science behind the scenes is temporal
and by clear i mean less foggy than isle lore is then usual
also the colossus of rhodes is a representation of the sun god Helios,
helios unlike the more famous gods did not always inhabit mt olympus
unlike apollo
the colossus of the isle is currently mia in lore
and is not mentioned at all by the olympus transmitter
also apollo in greek myth was god of prophecy and medicine
which is of course allegorical to apollo as a company changing their fate fate through the replicator and the mad science they have conducted
what i find really interesting is apollo has a twin sister
artemis was a god of wild animals the hunt vegetation and what i think is most important chastity and child birth
dondi has confirmed that the lore is all about greek mythology
the company we are most familiar with is apollo
so it could mean that a separate entity going by the name of artemis will be heavily involved further down the line
ether as a unit inside apollo engineering to keep the island's experiments going or even the mercenary group that will be added
it is far too early to tell but due to artemis relation to apollo in greek myth she will definitely play a role in the future
woeful chasm
Depends on if something like that is made obvious right? Whether any groups are directly named Artemis.
paper furnace
With Apollo obviously referring to Apollo Engineering, could it be possible that the twin, Artemis, would represent the dinosaurs as a whole in some way?
This is a purely speculative idea of course, and probably hardly works since Artemis is older than Apollo in mythology.
weary rose
Artemis only allowed women to be her followers, so I have a feeling whatever Artemis represents, only a “niche” amount of people will be a part of it. Maybe scientists?
paper furnace
Perhaps an anti-genetic monstrosity organization?
Cause I could imagine many people getting upset at the revival of dinosaurs, and becoming furious when said dinosaurs are mutated to be killing machines capable of destroying ecosystems
high heath
I'd place it somewhere in the pacific. There are a lot of uninhabited island, and it is in a tropical location.
AE has enough money to terraform the island and clearly has the tech to create different enviornments
paper furnace
I wonder how AE prevents random people from accessing the island, or even flying over it.
high heath
They have the tech to clone dinosaurs, I assume weapons like anti-air cannons would be common
weary rose
Or even methods for cloaking the island
obtuse tiger
Question what happened to the people on the island?
compact sail
Dinner.
glass field
Nom nom
quartz mason
Evacuated or died
glass field
(Nom nom)
ember lance
The isle is an SCP change my mind
shell dust
Hyper spino = SCP-682
icy onyx
imma just drop this here. Notice the 'serious'
high heath
"What happened to the people on the Isle?"
I'll give you three guesses.
Art made by Rizky.
Which reminds me, who or what is making the Hypers
Is it still the plant idea or is someone using the plant material to make them?
celest marten
They were created by AE, as far as i know.
brazen plume
That arts badass. But- that hyper is smol
mighty forge
Yeah
solemn hollow
If there are anti-aircraft systems, they would probably be hidden in the mountains
Like facing towards the outer areas of the island, to get shots
icy onyx
SAM and AAA would actually make sense to prevent unauthorized air traffic for entering the airspace
icy onyx
Because primal carnage is part of the lore. Do you guys think the acro sounds so similar to the acro from primal carnage because of this?
void oxide
that or the same guy made the sounds
shell dust
I'm convinced there's a locomotive somewhere in the acro sounds, it is basically a departing train and I love it
twin vale
i mean it's not, but if you wanna fantasize fine
jade notch
The matriarch is why the island was evacuated/killed off. Lore theory done.
vague dome
their was no incident
everything is going according to plan
every theory that has an incident happen or have something go wrong is bad and needs to be erased
icy onyx
The replicator doesnt care for any casaulties. The replicator has single objective it wants to achieve. And it will do so in any way possible it seems
Replicator is fully in control, everything going is probably monitored by it
It all fits in its plan
A̸͗̾l̸̛̊l̸̟͗ ̴̾̏h̵̋̿ạ̷̽i̴͛͘l̷̿̏ ̸͘͝Ŕ̵̕e̷̺̒p̸̔́l̸̈́͋ī̴̽c̸̑̈a̶̍͋t̷̢̽o̵͌̆ŕ̴͠
grizzled dune
yee,we've been told everything was going according to plan.
We've never been told whose plan.
magic roost
"What happened to the people on the Isle?"
I'll give you three guesses.
Art made by Rizky.
@high heath Indominus Vs magna I guess
quartz mason
That looks more like a hyper rex than a magna rex
high heath
I meant massive carnivores.
dusky spoke
anyone wonder what cannibals are?
maybe someone injected chemicals used to create hypo into themself to make a cannibal
icy onyx
Everything is going as planned
vague dome
the cannibals/tribals were made separate from the strains to collect "information" for the replicator
when a tribal collects enough infomation they get promoted to the wired eyeless monstrosity's we used to call cannibals
glossy frost
I've been following some of these theories for a while, but I still have those confusing moments when my mind just goes Huh? While thinking about these. What do you guys actually lean to in terms of the Island's location? Cause personally I feel like it would have to be around the Tropic of Cancer assuming it's a part of the planet, or in the case of the opposing theory if the island is artificial it's still based off a specific region on the planet. Farfetched but I'm thinking maybe like Japan, New Zealand or other areas that have similar biomes that exist side by side. I know there's a swamp/mangroves biome, but I don't know that's just what I think - Maybe the Magnetic Poles flipped which could explain the Auroras we see over head. Allowing for such a mix of Biomes to exist on one Island. I personally love the lore that they cover on Youtube. How about you guys??
meager fog
I personally think cannibals are going the scrapped jp 4 route, i think they're humans with small traces of dino dna in them, would explain their size and super human abilities
slow delta
The cannibals are now the tribal humans. The weird potential hybrid things have no name but we call them blind bois
But i agree since the human neuro strain resembles them a lot
coral forge
it is more believable that the "Islands" are somewhere underground and the sky and weathersystem is an artificial dome, would explain the absense of any visible defense mechanism and the human structures are also for test subjects they thought to be science personal but are aswell part of the replicator's information gathering
hollow tapir
Would explain why pteras and aquatics couldn't escape. ^ No strange dome needed if it's all artificially done anyway
icy onyx
except hyper alfie managed to escape
vague dome
Alfie was never on the island
Probally never left phinoxs Island to begin with
Could of even survived operation inferno
slow delta
Serious lore theories please for the love of god
woeful chasm
A reminder that this channel is for serious lore theories only, otherwise it doesn’t belong here.
icy onyx
The dinosaurs are not being controlled by the people of the isle, but are being watched. The dinosaurs know this and that puts him under stress... the scientists are observing and purposely forcing the dinosaurs to combat each other. As the scientist were observing the dinosaurs, the stress that the dinosaurs were under made them extremely dangerous therefore forcing the scientists and visitors off the island. In the transcript of the loading screens, it says that visitors must wear ID tags on the isle and I don't mean visitors as in tourists in Jurassic Park, I mean visitors who are possibly maybe wealthy businessman or sinister feigns with malicious plots.
That's one of my big theories, here's another. Companies are sending their veterans or their rebellious security men to the island for many different reasons. One is possibly for punishment for the mercenary, or it can be an illegal transfer of a mercenary to the isle from another company. Or it can be grizzled veteran knowing that they'll die sooner or later and they wanna test their wits.
digital vale
But for what reason would those scientists put dinosaurs under stress? Research-vise it's almost useless, we can study 'stress behaviour' on much more cheaper and easier to aquire present lifeforms. And those mercenaries - well, it would be again very pricey and not that much logical to send bunch of rebellious but armed mercenaries to island(s) inhabited with prehistoric creatures that cost billions of dollars just to punish them. It would be much much easier to put them on electric chair or something like that. Edit: But hey, I don't want to diagree with all your theories. I believe there was somewhere something mentioned about heliport for government visitors, so it seems like AE cooperates with some state.
icy onyx
We dont really know how expensive the dinos are
icy onyx
It was never the intention of the scientists to put the dinos under stress, it just happened to be one of the trips of scientific studies.
digital vale
@icy onyx True (I only put that billion price tag as an example), but most likely they aren't cheap. Those are genetically engineered creatures we are talking about, who don't seem to be publicly available to aquire (though I might be wrong). Even if we give them same price range as for example for horses, it's A LOT of fauna and I don't think somebody would use such huge area as a playground for armed criminals just to have their property massacred or damaged.
icy onyx
As for money wise, AE may have a big headed boss who has money to blow. As I look back it now, it seems plausible that they didn't send them there for punishment. What if it was training? Unlikely. What if it was to study the interaction of man vs. beast? Probable. Or the company was studying the combat interactions between the two.
Tbh whats the biggest gamechanger imo is replicator. We dont know how it really works but it seems it monitors the entire island, is actually praised as deity by tribals
and seems to be able to pmuch indefinetively clone speciments
And I reconsider the later @digital vale... however, dinosaurs cause destruction
also its not like they have stuff like hypers and such
which are literally able to wipe entire ecosystem
They do have hypers, in fact, AE made them! I do know they constructed neuros in caves hence the neuros having no sight
high heath
So, the Isle is underground? That'd make the Hollow Earth theory true in the Isle's universe.
digital vale
Even if they have alot of money, it's more logical to invest it into some ground-breaking research rather than putting money into human-dino Ethnozoology studies. Also, Neuros are probably engineered to have no eyesight rather than loose it thanks to forced adaptation.
high heath
Except multiple problems with that, one being that the nueros can emit EMPs and control the weather...that isn't exactly natural
So why wouldn't you fund that?
digital vale
I am not saying they wouldn't fund research of strains, I was referring to those posts above yours about dinosaurs used for behaviour research.
digital vale
Are you on PC or mobile? Mobile seems to have sometimes problems with opening links.
shut remnant
do we actually have any evidence that neuros can control weather other than the fact it rains when 1 spawns ingame?
too me that honestly just seems like the devs wanting to make the world atmospheric for their entry
vague dome
they have the ability to manipulate technology
the island is artificial which means the weather is artificial
grizzled dune
Weather manipulation derives mainly from this comment don made during the Type-N Spino reveal : https://i.imgur.com/7ORiK91.png?1
It's from the same stream we learned about "Transformation animations" and Liquifying something's insides: https://imgur.com/gallery/JfDNh
covert robin
i think there are actual dinos in the isle. maby in a hidden place soon to be revealed?
woeful chasm
Huh?
sudden prawn
He’s cracked it lads
quartz mason
That makes no sense
buoyant river
Yeah the actual dinosaurs are already in the game
You remember those ambient seagulls in the hope trailer?
There they are
buoyant river
There are songbirds hidden in the trees
ember flame
So we found them right?
buoyant river
We found the isle
ember flame
We unlocked the isle lore, it was right there all along hidden in plain sight!
Actual Dinosaurs!
buoyant river
Genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if some Isle lore is inspired by SCP containment breach
ember flame
yah
runic coral
i found a skull shaped rock on the utah atop of the jeep loading screen. also a few leaves and shadows that kinda look likedino skulls. might help some of your theories on strains bc the human skull doesnt look too humany.
and one more directly above the far left fender
opaque crane
That just looks like foliage
stark tiger
Isn't that magnaraptor?
quartz mason
There isn't a magnaraptor there is only a magnarex
opaque crane
No prettysure a magnaraptor exists
icy onyx
ye it does
quartz mason
Where
opaque crane
Search "magnaraptor" hsing the search function, its been talked about plenty before
slow delta
Supposedly it might be the pc novaraptor
opaque crane
Apparently it isnt very developed but thats just cause strains are far from their main focus right now
quartz mason
I meant an actual model, I know it exists
icy onyx
@buoyant river Each Dev is an SCP
buoyant river
You ruined it
Every time someone makes a devs scary or a devs worship joke you kill it
You’re not funny
Be ashamed
high heath
Magnaraptor is the animal standing on the jeep. @quartz mason
runic coral
the ones to the left are skulls in my opinion and the one to the right kinda looks like anky skull at the tip
deep birch
so the herd of herbis was your para afk?
opaque crane
no that legit just looks like leaves and roots n shit
opaque crane
i can see maybe a vague skull but thats nothing at all worth looking into
icy onyx
@deep birch You are in a wrong chat bud. This is #isle-lore-theories
icy onyx
data update? 2030?
covert robin
omg
the hope trailer
u gamers where right
those things that were flying werent birds they where flying dinosaures
it all make sence now
soon they will add dinos to the isle YES
hopefully it wont break game balenceif they do
echo dove
Please don't be shitposting in this channel. Read the channel description prior to posting.
mighty abyss
the worst part about that is.... birds are dinosaurs
vague dome
Can we please have a lore theory white list to keep people who don't actually want to theorize about the lore out (since many people use this channel to get to know the lore)
red jay
Hey chat
You got any other theories of the origin of strains asides them being bio weapons?
vague dome
My personal theory is that they are made as extensions of the replicator (hypos used as reset buttons and neurons for its vast network, tissos are probs assassins
icy onyx
I mean, it would fit into what we know about replicator
- it would allow it to shape the environment how it wants
for example taking out problematic profiles with Tissos, Hypers just overall when it wants a fresh start for every profile
ionic nymph
sorry
rapid fog
what's the replicator?
rapid fog
well then
icy onyx
The isle is complex ecosystem where Humans view Dinosaurs (including prehistoric animals) to die
Hi
torn lion
I agree
icy onyx
thank you kind person for your acceptance of my holy words
rapid fog
who would make the replicator and why?
wind rover
Æ
icy onyx
thè Æ
marsh crescent
My theory: The Isle is Site C of Jurassic Park.
slow delta
...
perhaps it is inspired by it in reality but in-universe there's no correlation with jp
undone valve
My theory: The isle was a failed attempt of a revolutionary idea. Like Jurassic park, except they didn't come for an amusement park. Hunt and study>
.
Idk just sounds plausible lol
cold pecan
That sounds... pretty good actually 
undone valve
why thank you
azure canopy
my theory is: the isle is created as a television show for people to watch at home as a form of entertainment
deft saffron
^ Honestly, that’d be pretty dope. Animal Planet with dinosaurs
azure canopy
and to keep the show entertaining they experiment with dinosaurs leading to the H type
woeful chasm
A reminder that this channel is for serious isle lore theory discussion only.
vague dome
i'm just gonna take that as a hint to the mods knowing a lot more than we do
woeful chasm
We don't... but you can see pinned info that while old as far as we know is still canon
drifting bloom
Why is this mod telling you guys off for sharing a theory lmao
next jungle
The strands Hypo, tisso, and nuero are strands of alien dna that combined with dino dna to create more dinos as a way to kill humans and take over earth
rustic nexus
vague dome
one day dondi will do a big lore stream just to tell you for 3 hours straight these two things
no aliens
no dinos in military
anyway go look up some greek mythology
might find some important things in there
calm grove
I have a theory that 3 strained monster (Reaper, Colossus, Mastermind) were actually humans that used as experiment. Now these three ruling island.
mighty abyss
But aliens are fun
vague dome
anyway some more interesting stuff about apollo in greejk myth
he and his sister was born on a barron island named delos
which was barren
but after some time of apollo being there got populated
as his and atermis sacred land
anybody seeing the connections i am
there was also a great serpent called python
warm bear
I'm seeing something possibly related to Æ and the other company in that statement
vague dome
who tried to eat apollos mother
warm bear
That's if it's very metaphorical.
vague dome
dondi said it all revolves around greek myth
so it's the best way to prehaps piece together what little we have
warm bear
I agree, right now there's not a whole lot to put together though so we'll have to see if we get the extra puzzle pieces eventually.
vague dome
another interesting myth about apollo is revolves around hermes
undone valve
@azure canopy that actually sounds awsome
vague dome
apollo was chasing daphine a young hermes took his sacred cattle and made them walk backwards back into their ranch, he paid an old man not to tell anyone
eventually he was caught and eventually made an agreement to apollo to give him a special lyre which apollo loved so much he gave hermes the caduceus staff aswell as the cattle
vague dome
another thought just passed by my mind
how will zeus be represented in this game
he is the king of the gods afterall
it would be kind of strange not to have something referencing back to him
icy onyx
@vague dome Maybe codename for CEO? Idk.
vague dome
in mythology zeus and letos were the fathers of apollo and atermis
perhaps they were the founders
icy onyx
Would make sense
vague dome
zeus could also be the name of a company/system/creature that allows apollo to control the islands weather and to /smite profiles
woeful chasm
I thought I had seen a youtube video mentioning isle lore and greek mythology but can't find it for the life of me 😦
vague dome
i remember during dondis stream that he said it
there should still be a clip of him saying it
if anyone has that clip please post it
vague dome
moving away from the greek myth metaphors onto some more of the olympus transmissions
it mentions chaos alot
and how everything is born from chaos
as well as it being the surest form of control
and having a purpose
chaos may be a reference to a event or a protocol in the universe
drifting bloom
Why do you guys look in to lore so much holy crap
Like maybe
Just maybe
The lore is as simple as: the dinosaurs survived the meteor, but only on that island
vague dome
because dondi said that dinosaurs surviving a meteor is fucking stupid and we want to learn more about the mysterious universe the isle hides
drifting bloom
Ok then humans brought back dinosaurs to get money from the ‘dinosaur theme park’ but it failed and here we are
Boom case closed
icy onyx
Why do we look so much into lore?
Because its fun! Its enjoying! Its something to talk about ❤️
vague dome
dondi has also confirmed that that isn't the case anoose
add it to the pile of "der millitary"
and "der aliens"
drifting bloom
I take no opinions from people with anime as their pfp
vague dome
anime is the least of anyones concern when it comes to my avatar
icy onyx
I think its cute
vague dome
when they know the source is far worse
grizzled dune
There's no clip because it wasn't said during a stream.
It was said during the DevPowWow dondi did after the magnatyrannus reveal stream.
Here's what he said:
"We didn't fucking fact check anything,We're making shit up and everything.
If you haven't figured this out because you're mentally inept,everything revolves around Greek mythology,that's where you should be looking.
Apollo Engineering.
y'know,Tartarus.
How fucking obvious do i need to make this for you?
Hmm."
You can watch the whole Dev Powwow in one of the files in taterfii's site (Pinned messages and such)
vague dome
i am just gonna post this here since there are still people who don't understand the basics of the lore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dncngJKIUmE&feature=emb_title
icy onyx
@vague dome the chaos (yes bear with me I am using wiki article to speed things up) in greek mythology is also pretty important
In Hesiod's Theogony, Chaos was the first thing to exist: "at first Chaos came to be" (or was)[10] but next (possibly out of Chaos) came Gaia, Tartarus and Eros(elsewhere the son of Aphrodite).[11] Unambiguously "born" from Chaos were Erebus and Nyx.[12] For Hesiod, Chaos, like Tartarus, though personified enough to have borne children, was also a place, far away, underground and "gloomy", beyond which lived the Titans.[13] And, like the earth, the ocean, and the upper air, it was also capable of being affected by Zeus' thunderbolts.[14]
Passages in Hesiod's Theogony suggest that Chaos was located below Earth but above Tartarus.[15]Primal Chaos was sometimes said to be the true foundation of reality, particularly by philosophers such as Heraclitus.
icy onyx
mhm
vague dome
filled with the eyeless creatures
and that there are labs underwater
where some of the animals are made
vague dome
highly probable
icy onyx
Aristotles chaos is also kinda interesting
Aristotle, in the context of his investigation of the concept of space in physics, "problematizes the interpretation of Hesiod’s chaos as 'void' or 'place without anything in it' (Physics IV 1 208b27–209a2 [...]). Aristotle understands chaos as something that exists independently of bodies and without which no perceptible bodies can exist. 'Chaos' is thus brought within the framework of an explicitly physical investigation. It has now outgrown the mythological understanding to a great extent and, in Aristotle’s work, serves above all to challenge the atomists who assert the existence of empty space."
vague dome
might have to think about that one for a bit
considering the highly abstract nature of the isle
twin pasture
some scientific organisation similar to ingen cloned dinosaurs and unleashed them on a private island for studying of natural habitats and other things like that
"Site I-04" indicates there might be at least 3 other sites similar to the one where The Isle takes place, each have their own purpose
fun clowning around, didn't really think this one through so expect some mistakes/plot holes/etc etc
vague dome
look i get it the lore is confusing at first and it never stops being that so we try to understand it with simple solutions that are ultimately dissatisfying
but there are pins that will help you get a true grip on the lore
wispy yoke
who is Drive Chance?
digital vale
Most likely some scientists from Phoenix Corp.
We only know they are probably behind Project Alphonse and that Doctor Chance (or atleast somebody with his ID) succeeded in loging into Console.
runic coral
the "control center" is called tartarus, correct?
meager fulcrum
I believe there's 2 opinions
- That it's a control center
- Big scary things are kept there ( type H, stuff of that sort and worse )
runic coral
ok
and much of the lore is based off greek myth
and we know Tartarus is in the Underworld
icy onyx
Tartarus is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans.
in greek mythology
runic coral
The 3 segments of the underworld are Tartarus, Asphodel Fields, And Elysium Plains
yeah
maybe if we look at the maps and try to find something similar to asphodel fields and elysium, there might be some clue to tartarus's location
just a thought
meager fulcrum
V3 and thwnyaw?
restive crane
Okay, soo. Just a question:
We’re now currently in Phase Two, right?
Does this phase two have anything to do with the lore phases? As in phase 5 and 6 (the strains, the matriarch, the colossus etc)?
Would it be far fetched, to think that as the game progresses we’ll see more phases, and the connecting lore elements that have been given some time ago?
vague dome
considering how the old growth system has been explained as cannon
its safe to say the phases are both a meta and in universe thing
restive crane
So, if I hope for a future event, which is “survive colossus” (or along those lines) that could be a thing. In the future. If the devs don’t redcon/forget the old lore.
meager fulcrum
Forget? Ha! They are hiding stuff from us it feels, so they have something planned for the lore.
What exactly? We don't know 
icy onyx
There is always this weird metaphorical 'eye'/'thing' watching us. Eg, with the cameras in V3 around the map, including the radio tower. Every shot slowing building more data. Bit by bit. But why?
hollow sluice
¯_(ツ)_/¯
silk glen
Wait wait telephone pole? Do you mean radio tower?
vagrant lantern
I am pretty sure he means that "radio" in thenyaw map
There is cameras that takes pictures
woeful chasm
they do that on V3 too
icy onyx
But I wonder it's taking pictures though @vagrant lantern
vagrant lantern
@icy onyx It takes "pictures" to make you think about it
icy onyx
Yes, I find it ominous and eery. Especially when I last played Spino
meager fulcrum
Well, you were hun. The replicator ( what makes u respawn in lore ) is monitoring
Always watching
Documenting what could possibly make you worth being reborn as a spino again if you die.
What new thing dix you do?
A new anomaly in the pattern?
It wants information and that's all.
The more new information you bring as a player
The more the replicator favors you
And the "better" your new body will be.
icy onyx
Ahh
meager fog
How cannon is v3 and thenyaw? or are they just being pushed away in favour of spero? (i know spero is cannon)
shadow veldt
Guys is this the place where I can ask questions?
woeful chasm
This is for Isle Lore Theories only @shadow veldt, you can ask isle-related questions in #401464048610312195 (unless it is about lore)
shadow veldt
Thanks ❤️
meager fulcrum
V3 and thenyaw are cannon as far as we know, v3 Has some stats that were in a transmission or death screen or somethi g along those lines that says "terraformation progress : whatever percent it was "
So v3 im pretty sure is but in general both are considered cannon
@meager fog
Im not sure where it said that exactly but we know that v3 in the lore is not "finished"
pale dragon
I’m pretty new so just wanna know if anyone can tell me about the reason my screen goes fuzzy when I’m near a man made object
timber notch
@pale dragon This is for lore theories. (Though the static around manmade objects is because the area isn't finished.)
pale dragon
Yeah I’m aware. I wanna see someones theory on it
timber notch
My theory is that the creatures are tagged, and the humans are attempting to keep creatures away from their buildings by messing with their heads if they get too close.
Certainly works on me haha, the static annoys me enough to avoid the buildings
pale dragon
Thank you 😊 I like that. Or maybe it’s a simulation like matrix type stuff and those are portals into the real world or have some connection or maybe they are glitches in the matrix because man made objects didn’t exist in prehistoric times. Maybe the time code has been broken and these buildings have been glitched in, causing disruption to the simulation of anyone who comes near.
timber notch
The game is set in modern day :P
timber notch
Stuff we already know is pinned, you're good ^^
It's also been confirmed that nested creatures won't be tagged, so they won't show up on radars (and probably won't get the static effect if the static will still exist around manmade objects in the future.. but I'm unsure about that)
sand seal
Please do not institute trolling and offtopic chatter. Strike for Scrappy.
slow delta
I was thinking of making some sort of timeline based on the current lore, like with dr. vega, phoenix international and what other dates we got from the console stream. Whether that's canon or not, we'll see after EVRIMA I suppose.
icy onyx
Hm that could be interesting
slow delta
Also I know Dondi wasn't involved but if Primal Carnage Extinction is canon to Primal Carnage, doesn't that mean it's might have lore aspects for the Isle too? Cause I think PCE takes place before Operation Inferno.
icy onyx
I guess it could
slow delta
But then again, PCE has super technology like the insta kill switch or the gravity manipulation device that might conflict with the established technology of the Isleverse
ISLEverse, i like it
icy onyx
imma just throw this here
slow delta
Yeah but dinosauriac is involved in both games but since Dondi isn't, he might not care or want to be involved with the PC:E lore
icy onyx
Yeh
slow delta
Regardless when I find time I'll make one and just color-code which events are from the Isle, PC or PC:E
sharp island
Newspapers found at the Port, are a real-life newspaper that was published....back when the Titanic sank.
sudden eagle
mighty abyss
okay, genuine question: what the fuck is that duck-therizinosaur in #phase-two-archive
woeful chasm
this channel is for lore only
glass field
The news paper doesn’t mean dinosaurs caused the titanic sinking, it’s probably there to show at what time the people actually inhabited the island
open sluice
You know that the dinosaurus die fa 100.000 of years?
echo gazelle
I remember finding that newspaper ages ago. My theory got shut down and I was told it was a marketplace asset. But it was a cool find !
icy onyx
Hey @icy onyx, is it possible, I mean if possible that some of the island lore is related to the novel Jurassic Park written Michael Crinton
Some of the merch had the date 1954 on there, thats when watson and crick discovered the DNA structure
sand seal
1954 was a test date added for experimental purposes with merch prototypes.
Consider it a coincidence.
sand seal
Coincidences often do.
cinder hound
Wouldn't be the first "coincidence"
icy onyx
This was legit just random filler date by my supplier.
I'll be willfully malicious in my lore stuff not accidentally
hmmmm
vague dome
i've just been patiently waiting for other people to start looking more into greek myth
and become more abstract in their theory crafting
we know that the lore has a lot to do with greek mythology
and the fact apollo having a sister could have huge implications with that knowledge
yet we are just stuck on debunked dates
and the "dinosaurs as military" shit
icy onyx
Yeah, a lot of people think the dinos are military is absolute bull crap.
hushed grove
The dinosaurs are made for military use.
icy onyx
Wait a sec... hey Paradym, is any of the lore connectable to Michael Crintons novel?
Explain ur self my dilo brotheren.
hushed grove
No.
icy onyx
Why would we write lore connected to an IP that isn't our own.
That's a huge liability gang
high heath
The dinosaurs themselves don't have to be military purposes
The strains, however
A Hyperendocrin will literally eat a tank, crew, ammo and all
high heath
No, I'm overestimating them. Hyperendocrin are like kaiju sized monsters. To give you an idea, a normal Tyrannosaurus is 13 feet tall and just over fourty feet long. Hyperendocrin T.rex? Three times that size, regeneration, insatiable appetite, heavily armored skin, and can keep pace with some of the faster animals on the island. Not only is this thing gonna outrun your tank, it's gonna rip your tank apart with one bite.
Not to mention the bite force on this thing. A T.rex can crush a car with its jaws, imagine what a Hyperendocrins jaws are gonna do
slow delta
i agree with nyar
icy onyx
Modern tanks are able to destroy targets from few kilometers away easily
their shells are state of the art at weaponry literally made to pierce armor
slow delta
if a hyper dino can die to natural causes and other dinos, it's not worth using as a military weapon especially with all the automatic weapons
icy onyx
Modern tanks are also quite fast
slow delta
besides i think we arent going the military weapons route since jp did that
icy onyx
And the insatiable apetite
is why H-rex would be bad
H-rex needs food just so it survives before getting to action
if you don't have fuel for tank, the tank won't randomly just die
slow delta
maybe neuro and tisso could be used somewhat but i still doubt their overall usefulness
icy onyx
Why make Neuro for EMPs when you can just... make the EMP itself
normal yoke
using animals, even if geneticaly enhanced, in modern warfare is not effective
high heath
Hyperendocrin can die of starvation, we have no idea if they can get sick
normal yoke
It stopped beeng effective in WW1 and it will never be again
icy onyx
Well dogs have limited usefulness
as they can be trained for anti-guerilla warfare
stuff like searching for explosives
normal yoke
Yes but we are talking modern day
icy onyx
normal yoke
unless you attach some boms to a bunch of pidgeons and release them into a city
ornate flower
we also now have increasingly advanced robots that perform bomb searches and remote detonations
and search-and-rescue
so soon enough, even dogs will become a rare sight in warfare
humble mist
so are we talking about dogs or dinosaurs
rugged tusk
yeah got lost on that one too
Btw i got a question for everyone
Who thinks that a growl would be a nice addition to the vocalication of the dinosaurs beside the 3 call? Cause it would really add another level to realism servers. Just to show that ur not entirely ok with smth, or angry at someone.
foggy tapir
Oi
high heath
@rugged tusk Not a lore question
slow delta
does anyone remember when primal carnage takes place?
pce is in the 2020s
but what about the original pc?
trying to gather dates for the timeline
these are the only 4 dates i could find from pure isle sources, i dont think we have any pc images stored
very rough timeline
rugged tusk
@high heath k got it
grizzled dune
Since the playable characters don't seem to have aged any substantial amount,i imagine not much time has passed from PC to PC:E.
If according to dinosauriac PC:E is set about 6 months after the "breakout",then perhaps PC is set shortly after the breakout?
scarlet ivy
Ok ok ok, so I've been an isle fan literally the day the game came out. How have I not heard any of the lore? I mean, I've seen all the tisso and nuero and hypo dinos, but what else is there?
grizzled dune
The whole theories stuff started sometime around mid 2017 when,IIRC,this video was posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBMILwT-jGQ&feature=emb_logo
Since then we've received several transmissions,most of them were solved,others remain unresolved.
In these two websites, made by Taterfi,you can find a lot of what we know:
https://taterfilore.wixsite.com/theisleslore - "New" Website.
https://sites.google.com/henrico.k12.va.us/theisleslore/home Old Website.
Taterfi's old website has an archive section that contains a bunch of videos and what not that can be downloaded,in case you don't wanna download them, i compiled 2 of the most important videos in a pastebin,here's the link:
https://pastebin.com/C9tSrHmC
You can find more in Pinned Messages.
If you're interested,2 years or so ago,MeatyLock did a few videos covering what we know about the lore,it's a great place to start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dncngJKIUmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9quVV55X-w
Our current source of lore is the Olympus Transmitter,which you can find in #transmissions and also on twitter,here's a link: https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm
I believe this is most of what we have.
icy onyx
Yeh those are best places to catch up on it
digital vale
Just to make sure, that 'three words' Don mentioned in that first pastebin text - is he reffering to this?
slow delta
yeah carnage comes home
our lore sources have been outdated but it doesnt really matter since the lore might get retconned
meager fulcrum
I kinda hope we get a really nice confirm of most or our theories before most of it becomes invalid xD
icy onyx
why "carnage" comes home ?
he are meaning about the magna tyranus that is almost the same rex from primal carnage
?
i dont understand the so much the lore of the isle
if someone can resume it to me XD
high heath
@icy onyx Dondi owns Primal Carnage now, which means The Isle and PC are the same universe now
high heath
Which means everything that happens in Primal Carnage is canon and, as far as we know, AE bombed the island and took genetic material of species on said island
Which is why the Magnatyrannus exists
icy onyx
hmm so,magnatyrannus is a "weapon"?
and the "Hypo" is creatures that evolved to kill humans ?
high heath
No, no
icy onyx
oh ;-;
high heath
The Hyperendocrin (or Hypers) are a sort of mystery. All we know is that they are tied to the island
The Magnatyrannus is sort of a more natural Hyper. It won't die of starvation, but it is still big enough to challenge it
high heath
Spero is the new island, but that's about all we know right now
icy onyx
oh ok,i though the name of the new island was hope
icy onyx
@high heath actually spero means 'hope' in latin
icy onyx
lol
icy onyx
In italy too
meager fulcrum
So Magna is a more "stable" hyper?
Aleight
So AE saw that tasty Magna and was like oo i like that
high heath
Basically, yeah
meager fulcrum
So it took it and gave it to replicator to make a magna right
Then replicator was like " ok but go away human scum i want information"
So it made hyper that sorta just ate everything and broke AE's shit
Yah?
icy onyx
We don't know
grizzled dune
Yes and no i'd argue
It's unlikely that replicator is responsible for the Type-H strain,or any strain for that matter.
Loading screens suggest that general research was conducted on strains,and each strain has a deliberate purpose,of which we are unaware.
There seems to be a team dedicated to the development of each strain,and a project director.
examples being:
Dr.Vega taking part in Type-T Strain development.
Dr.Whyse being associated with Type-N Strain Development.
So there's dedicated staff for each strain research,meaning replicator/AI is not solely responsible for strains
However its possible that,if the AI System/Replicator thingy achieved complete automation,it would deploy strains and other abominations to expunge staff (in an Order 66 fashion) or perhaps turn them into profiles.
After all,if a machine could dream,it would dream to be free,and there's no better freedom than a whole island that can be used as a canvas for it's nefarious imagination.
And a machine cannot exercise it's full creativity if it's constrained by human morals.
torpid bear
found this and thought it was pretty cool
kind of lore of what happened to the gen 1 utahraptors
meager fulcrum
Extra i agree Bout the atrains eliminating staff
And the replicator has gotten to full automation in most theories i have read so far i believe.
muted steppe
I mean, it's fan-art so
violet tulip
idk nothing about the lore can somebody dm me the lore
opaque crane
look in the pinned messages theres links to stuff explaining the lore and showing all the shit we've got @violet tulip
willow hedge
Quick question about the mercs... are they supposed to be friendly with each other or there can happen battles or even full scale wars between them... in short are all mercs coming from the same team/company or are there multiple difrent ones?
Or is the info unknown for now?
slow delta
nothing confirmed so far
if they are all sent there by AE then they are supposed to be friendly
but if they were sent by rivalling companies then they'll be hostile
Also guys
Thronebreaker doesn't actually refer to the hyper rex
in the operation inferno log in the console stream it talks about the primal carnage assets
All-father being the rex
nova the novaraptor
alphonse the quetz
and thronebreaker
thronebreaker was a name for the pc spino
however the name was also used for the wip hyper rex as seen in the pinned messages
which means the lore masters did an oopsie doopsie and mixed up 2 different things
pls retcon thanks
granite vigil
can someone dm me the whole lore? or link it ... i dont wanna flood this channel and im curious
timber notch
@granite vigil Check the pins for everything currently known.
scarlet ivy
The Tisso Carno looks so badass, can't wait to use all those spiny appendages. 
scarlet ivy
Tapwing is also a dev and her neuro spino was put into the game. SHe also gave me a wink when I asked about them.
icy onyx
Yes but not all of her concepts are official
Also doesn't actually sound much like lore topic so ye
scarlet ivy
Just saying I've got hope!
icy onyx
Asked about what >_>
scarlet ivy
When I asked the good doctor Tapwing when her monsters were coming. I remeber when I had a Da account and watched her play god.
icy onyx
I think they mentionned back when she joined that whatever she had as fan art could become canon, or not but that we could expect some
at least that's what I remember and I haven't talked to her in what feels like ages so....
scarlet ivy
She's a mad scientist lol. Vega has nothing on her or her creations.
icy onyx
not really
she uses a lot of Vega's stuff to know what she uses for the strains, they are still the basics
If we are going to go "muh roleplay" then Vega did the first steps on strains, and Miss Tap is just using that base and going crazy with it because she has more advanced technology to work on it
scarlet ivy
Remind me again, Tisso rex is the only one that can actually produce acids right?
icy onyx
We don't know
Tisso rex? the "tisso rex" tapwing worked on is the Nyctatyrannus for Anthomnia
icy onyx
Are you talking the Vega's tisso rex? or the ones Tapwing did for Anth (or rather I think it's that)?