I think a simple fighter jet and missle could do something, we don’t know if they have military resources like that, but they probably do
#isle-lore-theories
deft saffron
sleek temple
how do ya think they contain them?
they would have to have something of that caliber to contain em
deft saffron
True, but they probably have their own special ways
near kite
all about technicals
calm warren
i think a well placed high velocity .50cal round to the heart or through an eye to the brain could do in a hypo
deft saffron
Nothing is confirmed all we can do is speculate
A hypo could probably heal from a .50 cal bullet
calm warren
to the heart or brain?
deft saffron
They have insane healing abilities
They’re so good they need a weapon to stop it from healing
near kite
radiological weapons would make their stem cells jitter like jelly beans
icy onyx
a) no it doesnt b) this is for lore theories
random skiff
a) joke b) joke
icy onyx
Yea then dont joke in a channel about serious lore theories
cause thats kinda against rules yknow
fringe wolf
^ about the talk about killing. If imma be honest I think a well placed 9mm could take one out. Regardless of INSANE healing abilities I think even an arrow or light tap with a bullet though an eye could tap one, I think if (if) they add mercs and such they would probably just send people. How JP and other things show off rexs deflecting 50. Cals is funny, 50. Would be a bit overkill I think
icy onyx
I mean, 9mm could be theoretically stopped
loud adder
if the skin is thick enough but the bullet is going supersonic
feral agate
A pistol aint killing large bears or anything bigger. Cant penetrate deep enough.
icy onyx
also gl injuring hyper with 350 ft * lbf of force
ie .30-06 springfield has 2800 ft * lbf cca
9mm are just about enough to kill human sized stuff from close range
but thats it
gaunt raptor
I love you guys that realise tanks/modern weapons would fuck up dinosaurs
Nice seeing a change of pace
Most people I've discussed about this think "well Trex can bite through metal so it can bite through a tank"
And yeah a normal pistol wouldnt do much to a Rex I agree with that
Atleast in the general torso and tail, could damage it's legs and it's face
woeful chasm
This channel is for serious theories on the lore/story of The Isle. Thank you.
granite nymph
oh sorry
woeful chasm
sleek temple
i wonder if the ecosystem can have a reference to strains
it reminds me of ark
the ecosystem is mosty carnivores rn
and dondi as said herbies wont get strains
and in ark the "alpha" creatures were all carnivores.
high heath
Well, the reason the herbivores won't get strains is the simple fact that they are herbivores.
No one wants to play a strain herbivore. You wanna be a big T.rex that can crash through buildings out a giant Spinosaurus that can slap animals out of the way or a giant Giga that can bleed out sauropods
Which reminds me, are strain trees still a thing?
sleek temple
a herbivore strain would be easier kepted with food if it was used for "war purposes" which because of that disuses them being used for war.
because why not just make a hyper trike as it would cost less to keep and would as deadly as a hyper rex?
high heath
No, it wouldn't
opaque crane
i think it costs more to get the metric fuckton of greens for your hyper trike than it costs to have your hyper rex just eat the enemy troops
high heath
Tyrannosaurus is a huge predator that hunted animals like Triceratops. It eats whatever is living
You have a Hyper Triceratops, it's going to eat more than a herd of sauropods
Which means the herbivores starve, the carnivores thrive. I mean, Allosaurus and Tyrannosaurus were cannibals.
feral agate
And its gonna be allways hungry, prefering to eat plants, which are not the enemy.
A carnivore can have it's hunger used to make it contantly attack everything so it can eat.
high heath
You have a Hyperendocrin carnivore, it'll wipe out the animals, not the enviornment
tranquil galleon
thats a pretty good point
and the strain trees i believe will possibly be the cause of the spread of the strain
perhaps they release a spore that affects the carnivores
high heath
Didn't someone make the Pheonix lab in The Isle?
inner viper
Do we know the origin of the strains? How they came about, why and how?
opaque crane
they were made by Apollo Engineering or possibly stolen by AE. We don't know why and we don't know what exactly they did to make them as they are
loud adder
Apollo Engineering loves acting like Thomas Eddison
Just steals ideas and advertises as their own
vital tree
Didn’t Dondi mention at one point that a Hyper of anything simply existing would essentially be like a natural disaster? Incredibly destructive but not being common or lasting long.
feral agate
hypers are biological reset buttons, impossible to be killed by other animals and hunger and anger at 110%. killing and eating everything then starving, leaving behind none alive
obtuse zephyr
Possibility of why there's such large islands as well
silk glen
Makes sense, you have giant islands, the hypos need to eat more to get to places since theyre farther apart, therefore will hunt more, therefore are more effective at resetting. Also by the time the hypos get across the map new dinos are growing
ancient spindle
icy onyx
Dead chat
opaque crane
It's gonna be dead considering theres no new lore info
quartz sundial
keep this channel serious please
opaque crane
I'm just telling you this channel isn't for talking about when updates are coming. "Channel for theories about The Isles lore, please keep your theories serious and on topic"
quartz sundial
anything other than theories on the lore of the game isnt allowed here.
icy onyx
@half cape There wont be teaming up. There will be slavery
You take the dino, beat it up until it listens and if it doesnt listen you make sure it suffers
warm bear
Im late to the convo but I'd imagine having a carnivore means it's easier to kill off if you'd rather only use it as a quick spurt of power against something, given that it would have a much more limited food supply that could potentially be cut.
lavish folio
#buff anky
opaque crane
Not the place for that
heavy dove
what if titanoboa comes in the recode
icy onyx
Not the place for this. More of a isle discussion topic
heavy dove
oh okay sorry
icy onyx
i feel like the hypo version of a dino, is basically a growth spurt, there a whole lot bigger.
silk glen
Wrong word @icy onyx
fluid zealot
I would say a Hypo strain by definition is pretty much a mutation that while causing a growth in size, causes genetic abnormalities that shouldn't normally be found in these animals
icy onyx
its literally a genetic mutation caused by humans
fluid zealot
Exactly, a nightmare for nightmares
icy onyx
The armor plates on the hypers remind me of a disease on the skin that occurs in humans but I dont remember what it was called
sleek temple
do ya guys think tissos could change body temperature
silk glen
O gods imagine your just hanging around and suddenly your screen starts getting covered by frost or steam thats steadily covering your screen, the water freezing over or boiling as the tisso gets closer
feral agate
I'm pretty sure he means changing temperature to match surroundings
so cant be seen on thermal imaging
silk glen
More sense but also its a tisso, its within the realm of possibility
feral agate
tisso were aparently gonna be a bit smaller than the normal dinos, but have spikes venom and camo shit
so heat stuff would fit neuros more, knowing that neuro spino can cause blindness just by being close to something
icy onyx
@feral agate I mean tissos are the stealth bois yes. And quite a few animals (and human machines) use temperature to detect other animals. So wouldnt it make sense for the stealth bois to mask their temp as well
feral agate
Thats what i meant say, but i cant write
Changing temp. for stealth --> tisso
Heating and freezing shit --> neuro
tranquil galleon
neuros cause blindness due to their EMP zone which cause eye muscles to close
feral agate
nah, fucks with the nerves i think
tranquil galleon
each strain is often characterised by the following
hyper - strength & endurance
tisso - stealth & lethality
neuro - intelligence & emp (unsure on that last one lol)
nerves or muscles, meh
tranquil galleon
hyper hasnt got good intelligence lol, tisso maybe but neuro most definitely more so
sleek temple
hyper does.
sleek temple
did u not see it looking at the camera in the select screen?
tranquil galleon
all creatures investigate new things, but that doesn't mean they're intelligent
sleek temple
none of the others did.
tranquil galleon
because they didn't notice it
tranquil galleon
ok then, good luck with that because you're not gonna find anything lol
sleek temple
AE-BLS-2048
UTAHRAPTOR
ALL UTAHRAPTOR STUDIES ARE TO CONCLUDE IN EAST VALLEY PADDOCK. (6 LETTERS) HAS NOTED VARIABLE NEURAL RANGE OF GEN-1 SPECIMENS TO BE NO HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE GOAT. SINCE SITE-(4 LETTERS), GEN-2 SPECIMENS HAVE SHOWN NEURAL VARIABILITY TO RIVAL HOMINID INTELLIGENCE. CLEARANCE ELEVATED TO LEVEL 3 SINCE TYPE-H (12 LETTERS) INCIDENT. CODE HADES-(5 LETTERS).
found.
sleek temple
the type H utah.
tranquil galleon
you just searched up 'utah' 'intelligence' 'type-h'
tranquil galleon
Yes.
That's from the lore, but that doesn't support your claim that the hyperendocrin is intelligent.
sleek temple
it shows an increase in intellegence.
sleek temple
Type H gen 2.
tranquil galleon
It then refers to a type H incident and the increase of clearance.
feral agate
All strains are smarter, neuros are much smarter
tranquil galleon
If you're going to do research, do some god damn research instead of searching for 'utahraptor' 'type-h' and 'intelligence'.
What proof do you have then, hm?
sleek temple
thats the proof for the type H strain.
feral agate
It's been said
tranquil galleon
Tissoplastic is plausible and neurotenic is certain, hyperendocrine has not be alluded to.
tranquil galleon
BoaZ, you just copied and pasted a piece of lore from the loading screens that included, 'utahraptor', 'intelligence' and 'type-h'.
You have nothing to provide in this debate.
sleek temple
thats the evidence.
tranquil galleon
feral agate
Thats an elder
tranquil galleon
While not official,
feral agate
And not official
tranquil galleon
That's not what I'm referring to
sleek temple
every strain and even magnas have gen 1s and gen 2s
tranquil galleon
Nor am I speaking to you, Zubumafu.
feral agate
Still can comment If i want
tranquil galleon
You're commenting without reading the full debate, and as a result you almost changed the subject of the debate.
BoaZ, go get me proof then lol
sleek temple
ive got u proof
woeful chasm
How is the loading screen not proof?
tranquil galleon
Read the debate thoroughly.
sleek temple
WATER ENDURANCE
ALL CASE STUDIES AS OF (10 LETTERS)-2014 HAVE SHOWN THAT ALL GEN-1 SPECIES CANNOT TREAD WATER FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. DUE TO SIZE ISSUES OF NEWEST TYPE-M SPECIMENS, ALL FURTHER AQUATIC BIOLOGICAL STUDIES WILL MOVED TO ATRIUM B (POD 4) UNTIL THE BAY LOCKE IS FINISHED DEVELOPMENT. REPORT ALL ENDURANCE TIMINGS TO DR. (10 LETTERS).
heres evidence that magnas have gen 1.
tranquil galleon
BoaZ claimed that the hyperendocrine strain brought about intelligence, which is quite clearly not the case.
tranquil galleon
All information about said strain points towards purely muscle growth.
sleek temple
that doesnt mean it cant increase intellegence
tranquil galleon
Nothing in regards to intelligence.
feral agate
We only have mentions of the type H utah
woeful chasm
Naw the loading screen is talking about the Utah itself, just happens to mention the need for increased security after the type-h incident
feral agate
So it's safe to assume the loading screen is talking about hyper utahs
feral agate
So it's saying the normal utah is almost as smart as a human?
tranquil galleon
Yes, the generation 2 variety.
feral agate
Whats gen 2?
sleek temple
yes. and gen 2 of the type H.
tranquil galleon
Generation 2 is likely a modified version of the generation 1, modification but not on the levels of the strain modification.
sleek temple
thats speculation.
woeful chasm
feral agate
So it is talking about the normal utah?
tranquil galleon
Yes.
feral agate
I see
woeful chasm
Increased intelligence of normal Utah = playable IMO
tranquil galleon
probably
woeful chasm
Hyper = roughly same intelligence as normal
tranquil galleon
I'd even go so far as to say it's slightly less.
Think of the hyperendocrin like a sauropod, very large in size but a moderately sized brain.
It can only perform instinctual actions like eat, sleep, hunt, etc.
woeful chasm
Except we have no evidence that says it lost intelligence
tranquil galleon
mhm, that's my personal opinion there
light mirage
Why would there need to be elders in this game
So you die of natural causes eventually?
feral agate
elders would be bigger and stronger with and ''aged'' look just for looks really
@light mirage
light mirage
Oh. So like grandpa could kill the whole family in a bite
woeful chasm
Not exactly on topic though
feral agate
yeah, indeed
light mirage
Oh sounds good
dusk dove
what is the elder stage?
wraith nova
Back to that loading screen lore. It was referring to gen 2 of Utah increased intelligence, gen 2 is basicaly what game devs call updated models, same was with models that got overhaul last time, it was showed as gen 3 or something. In game it translate more to better version of dino, they change their look, might be because of better ways of restoring DNA or just better DNA mix that gives mre accurate dino. Type-H mentioned in that loading screen wasn't even Hyper Utah, it was Carno, codename Hades.
wraith nova
I was wondering how last remodeled dinis was the same that got sniff animation first, so what if AE intentionaly creats new generations of dinos, makng them more accurate because they allow them to use all of senses/full potential in slow rate. You know when you put into creature human consciousness you want it to integrate properly, otherwise it could get very bad, very quickly.
slow delta
Well the new allo model had a lore screen reference of its own mentioning the old one had cranial abnormalities
Dino updates are a lore thing so personally i think the whole hominind intelligence thing was referring to the normal utahs and not magnaraptors
carmine marsh
feral agate
wrong chat m8
trim wagon
Thanks
feral agate
here is for lore
trim wagon
Guess I got mixed up
icy onyx
rip pteradon
tawdry lodge
I think that Hypos are experiments gone wrong. As there health, stamina,strength,and speed are higher. The only failed experiments we know of(Hypos) Are Carnotaurs, Spinosaurus, Tyrannosaurus Rex, and Giganotasaurus. Maybe more to come.
wraith nova
It's actually made on purpouse, not failed
icy field
So they’re experimental creatures, like, created and set forth to see how well they survive with what alterations they’ve been given??
wraith nova
Hypos are like reset button, they eat every creature they can get. So pretty much everything.
pallid tiger
@tawdry lodge you forgot utah
tawdry lodge
Utah.......
Wait what
@icy field Possibly experimental, maybe to somehow test the life to see how well it does??
icy field
Or to see just how far they can get with changing a creature
tawdry lodge
Possibly
icy field
See what they can get away with
woeful chasm
Please keep the discussion on topic.
runic wraith
Hello, how soon will Humans be added?
shut remnant
this channel is for theories about lore, so that shouldn't be asked here, also asking for ETAs is against server rules, so that shouldn't be asked at all
raven tree
i think the hypos were created on purpose to be used in military combat, similar to the indoraptor
hence their superior intelligence and strength to their non-hypo/tisso/magna counterparts
but either they grew out of control or the idea was scrapped, leaving them to terrorize the remaining ecosystem
feral agate
aparently no real confirmation on hypers being smarter, just bigger faster and stronger.
also, dinos on modern combat are worthless. they would not survive any real fight
raven tree
hypo rex looks like it has bullet-proof "armor"/scales, or at least incredibly thick skin
i agree its redundant compared to modern warfare, but i think that's why it's an experiment
feral agate
if anything its a test for the sake of testion and/or made to reset the ecosystem of the islands
woeful chasm
They could of evolved the skin to be thicker and bullet-proof except for the highest calibers
feral agate
an animal that big would be nigh imune to small arms fire by default. only .50 cal would be able to hurt it in a consistant basis.
feral agate
I dont think anything below .50 cal will be able to do it. save weird ass shots like through the eye or roof of mouth up into the brain
and their brain small so
icy onyx
but for real combat in itself it would be useless
You could have multiple jets equiped with ground strike weaponry on its position in minutes
sleek temple
i mean heres the thing
are human minds inside the strains like they would be when we play as them ingame
junior ginkgo
Kinda like avatar?
ancient spindle
I mean there’s lore that hints at it
But I don’t think we know enough to say conclusively
icy onyx
You guys are acting like humans don’t have the ability to prevent high calibers from penetrating anything. A heavy yet efficient armor that could be genetically combined and integrated into the skin of Hypos would be a composite AR steel that would be able to stop high calibers with ease, and large calibers like a 50mm or 110mm slow down to a point where it couldn’t harm major organs (if thick enough and developed). This would be completely possible for a hypo to do, and as humans have done in the past, there will probably a fail safe for the Dino, like repurposing the bullet into its own nutrition, meaning that these hypos could repurpose bullets of any caliber into its own nutrients, essential powering the hypo by shooting it.
Also the avatar theory is cool
green crater
Wait this channel changed
icy onyx
@icy onyx except to stop ie tank round you need about 600 mm of RHA
Yeah thats why I am talking about a composite mixture
junior ginkgo
I feel like the reason hypers, tissos, and whatever got out might be linked with some sort of mistake, I mean if mercenaries are being sent in or something 🤷🏻♂️ Either that or they're using them to clean up the island of the normal dinos, maybe, and probably went a little crazy from there
placid harness
Different generations are remodels btw
Also, I think there is some weird arms race / impending war in The Isle's world. Here's why...
icy onyx
Oo paragraph time
placid harness
Oh no sorry I just had to piss
It's pretty simple actually
Apollo Engineering itself is an organization right? They seem to have a great understanding of biology and chemistry. As evidenced by the mere existence of strains we know that one of the things they specialize in is the utilization of biological assets for various purposes, such as weaponization.
Cross referencing with one of the loading screens, we know there exists an executive helipad that is explicitly stated to be used by higher level employees and government officials.
By simply inferring we can see that individuals from a certain or multiple governments may keep contact with AE in order to scout their progress. Another easy inference is that said government officials could be interested in purchasing or contracting biological weapons from AE.
Now to warrant AE's continued operations / connections with governments, there simply has to be an existing demand for biological weapons.
With the existence of Phoenix International, we know that this demand for research has been going on since potentially before AE, which may be years or even decades.
We know this because Phoenix predates AE's island operation at the very least.
Human history shows there really is only one type of event that incites massive technological progression and innovation in weapons development for extended periods in time.
And that's war.
icy onyx
Nice connections man
placid harness
Thanks man I'm really trying lol
placid harness
Thanks duuude
woeful chasm
@green crater to try to clarify its purpose
near kite
even if there is an impending war or arms race why bio weapons, even with what we know now they would lose to even the most primitive third world countries with current equipment
maybe the third world part is a little exaggerated but still
placid harness
I don't know man. I think lifeforms being able to control the weather / being immune the artillery strikes would be pretty good for war.
Also I meme about this a lot but... the replicator exists. Some form of technology that allows them to... replicate everything as they plea.
woeful chasm
I.E. immortality as your consciousness is passed from body to body
placid harness
Which in itself is even heavier combat implications. Imagine soldiers who have multiple lives worth of combat experience.
feral agate
now that
near kite
why not at that point mind upload them into near invincible robotic chassis
feral agate
That is a good thing
woeful chasm
It depends on if your consciousness keeps the data it learned across lives or if only the replicator is storing that data and/or making modifications based on that
icy onyx
It definitely still takes some suspension of disbelief, but suppose dinos and the hybrid creations are just easier to produce and/or cheaper than air-bombs, vehicles, etc. Combine that with the sort of remote control mentioned above and there are plenty of roles they could fill on a modern battlefield.
icy onyx
at that point just make cloning facilities on kamino but yea
immortality for good soldiers
would be priceless
safe juniper
i see one problem with weaponizing the strains though
icy onyx
neuros would be useful in combat with their emp
hallow fable
So it is military application.
high heath
Mhm
placid harness
It could be.
What the hell kind of war would be happening on the outside that requires bio weapons like this?
vague dome
to prevent total destruction
weapons reaching a point where traditional mechanical war fare just isn't safe for ethier side?
but i remember dondi saying that the reason for the isle's existence is not military related (though it was all the way BEFORE steam release)
placid harness
"For science!" also seems valid but, boring, honestly.
It could just go the Forest route and say "replicator is ancient artifact and is strong n mythical" and build the story around that
icy onyx
tho like imagine replicating people like Simo Häyhä
If you managed to make people like white death immortal
vagrant oracle
smart Bois probably already got this but the CCH at the end of this old video
🤔
mayb the one below it too
muted hill
Its for the primal carnage story tie in
vagrant oracle
yummy
tranquil galleon
that's quite obvious
icy onyx
Oof
high heath
Carnage Comes home.
cold pecan
whats the connection between the isle and primal carnage?
fluid zealot
Well presumedably in the Isle's lore, Phoenix was the first organization to resurrect dinosaurs
That and the Primal Carnage Rex is the MagnaTyrannus
tight silo
Yeah that’s what I assumed, most likely it takes place after Phoenix called off the mission to take out all the dinosaurs after losing too many people, so an ecosystem started to form and subspecies started to form as others died off.
This is why Pteranodons look more normal compared to the steroid Petra from PC, same goes for Rex
tight silo
Ah
Well actually maybe not subspecies but evolution
Since the when the Hypo Carno was revealed, that it also said “Forced Evolution is one hell of a thing” or something like that
While for others subspecies did form (like Trex)
icy onyx
I think what they mean by forced evolution is sorta like putting Hypo's through rigorous biome's and scenarios (ex low oxygen, high pressure etc) and seeing what came of it.
By this I mean that AE is doing it and it is in order to formulate superior bio weapons that are fit for war
And in order to do this they are forcing evolution in order to created the most durable and destructive version of each dino
placid harness
They also seem to be testing out technology which allows the human mind to partially possess dinosaurs.
woeful chasm
Forced evolution by increased growth rates, and being reborn by the replicator increases skill and knowledge to survive faster then fully natural processes
vague dome
aka the doomsday project from dc comics
only instead of crystal monster man on meth its dinosaurs with roids
placid harness
Inb4 it isn't military application and they are actually preparing people for surviving an extinction event.
That'd be kinda scary. The end is coming. The only thing we can do is learn to survive.
feral agate
what if it aint even earth we on?
placid harness
Idk, it has the moon, the north star and everything.
vague dome
For fuck sake zub if your suggesting the goddamn alien theory i'm gonna beat on your ass so hard dondi will smile upon your gaping crevice that was once an anus
placid harness
I'd rather keep theories a bit more grounded than that for now.
feral agate
fair
vague dome
it's been debunked at the very beginning of development
it's the "ness is sans" but for the isle
feral agate
idk. I just need to know so bad, but we really cant check anything we say
near kite
if it were a colony they would have the technology to go between the stars and if they have that technology why not at that point make matrioska brains and dyson swarms rather than colonies on planets
placid harness
That's not to say aliens aren't involved in some way. I wouldn't be surprised if the strains had some alien or primordial origin.
feral agate
true that bortin
hell, I'll always say till disprooven. but we might have some super natural shit going on
placid harness
Easily.
If neuro strains still control weather and are supposed to astrally project
vague dome
it came straight from dondis mouth that what's happening on the island is not extra terrestrial or super natrual
day 1
before we even knew about apollo
placid harness
Then again, sufficient technology is indistinguishable from magic.
feral agate
tho dondi might have changed his mind
and he's the only one that really knows anything, so yeah
placid harness
I think it would be cool if the lore clues were dropped every month or something
feral agate
lore might not even be done lmao
placid harness
I'm sure the basic idea exists at the very least.
vague dome
which doesn't involve aliens or the super natural
placid harness
You wanna hear some Alex Jones tier shit I came up with?
feral agate
go for it
vague dome
heres my alex jones tier theory, this is all a meta-commentary on primal carnage free roam servers and dinosaur games as a whole
placid harness
nice
What if the profiles / people trapped in the isle's life and death cycle were originally tricked into believing they were in paradise or an afterlife?
vague dome
prehaps a video game
feral agate
all a simulation lads
placid harness
I do find it interesting how some of the ae transmitter tweets are just lore parallels for patch notes.
This tweet right here is somewhat meta commentary on how people back in the day didn't play like dinosaurs and did fuck all, affinity system being thought of as a solution to the problem.
vague dome
it's not the literal transference of the conscious mind
it's simply someone using an outside controller to have these dinosaurs bend to their will
feral agate
...or is it?
placid harness
On that...
I think it was the death screen? There was the transferal of a certain amount of petabytes mentioned. 1 point something. I don't remember exactly what. But that falls into range for the storage capacity of the human brain.
So I'm still to believe minds are transferred from body to body.
vague dome
i think for now we shouldn't be viewing the story from a "in universe" viewpoint, we simply don't have enough information for that
placid harness
The Isle story is a bit different than that yeah.
vague dome
we still can however start putting the pieces together to get a meta view of it
dondi did say we already have the pieces
placid harness
We ourselves as the users, profiles whatever seem to be a lot more directly connected to it.
vague dome
profiles like our steam accounts
placid harness
Ye
SteamIDs have been used to describe profiles in lore before
I guess our desire to play as dinosaurs is being used or exploiting by some in universe faction. Maybe AE.
vague dome
a lot of the isle lore has some meta context
the different gens of models
the different maps etc
placid harness
It's always been set up like an ARG
Maybe that's what we should be treating it like from now on.
Not a game universe
An alternate one.
Maybe we should try to establish contact.
icy onyx
how exactly tho
icy onyx
yea but how do you establish the contact
placid harness
Actually
vague dome
through the login of course
placid harness
The transmitter is too.
I don't know if the transmitter is one way though.
Wouldn't hurt for someone to try and contact them.
vague dome
it will probably take some prodding and poking to do so
placid harness
Why don't we just make our own transmitter account and start transmittin
vague dome
you could try that
not sure if it will work
but it might get someones attention
just not the one we want
icy onyx
I mean the entire problem with transmitting stuff is uhh
needing correct frequency
correct encoding
all that shit
vague dome
we will just have to find someone smart enough to find it
placid harness
We have correct frequency
twitter 
placid harness
Literally just make an account called Sparta Transmitter or something and just reply to one of Olympus transmitter's tweets
feral agate
makes sparta transmitter
reply Olympus trasmitter's tweer
gets told to fuck off
lmao
placid harness
At this point any response would be great
vague dome
oh well someone gotta try it
placid harness
Oh I was about to try it
placid harness
You first bro
Trojan Terminal? Nice alliteration.
Before we do anything on it though, we should assemble more people that are also well versed in the lore.
icy onyx
it might respond
placid harness
So we could conduct a grand council meeting on what exactly is the first thing tweeted
icy onyx
at least if this transmission can be taken into account
I just read through all of this are we nearing a breakthrough?
maybe
maybe not
who knows
placid harness
We're gonna make contact with the dino-kind
broken sable
Where is Dr.Wu, he’d have all the secrets.
icy onyx
it all matters on dev team and on how they respond to what we are doing here in all honesty
vague dome
prehaps we should have mutiple "trojan" accounts
icy onyx
I would tbh make the council discord server just how Toa said
Perhaps they should be different alliterations
Trojan Roman etc
Spartan Athenian
placid harness
You had one job
Now we're never gonna be able to talk to the alternate reality dinosaurs
vague dome
stupid email not auto captialising
icy onyx
someone make at least the discord so we can better lead our operation I guess?
placid harness
I'm already on it
woeful chasm
Seems you all dropped offtopic a bit ago 
vague dome
don't worry it will all make sense later
high heath
I assume the PC animals were incomplete sequences, while The Isles are more intact?
For the animals, I mean
supple dome
Ehhhhh
The dinosaurs from primal carnage arent meant to be accurate though.
They were made for military purposes
That's where we get the magna rex/raptor and other mutant shite from.
high heath
I mean, the Dilophosaurus changed
supple dome
No it didnt?
supple dome
It's the same animal
high heath
But it changed.
supple dome
Hold on a second
barren kelp
spitters in PC are known to be stunted
cinder hound
I wouldn't call the PC creatures incomplete, just altered.
barren kelp
they stay in a juvenile state
supple dome
Same animal just different models and sizes because one game is class based etc.
But if you still need proof of them being one in the same
Same reason for this existing
high heath
Royal Dilophosaurus exists
high heath
Primal Carnage? Yes.
barren kelp
alrighty then. they did have a tidbit of lore on their ingame descriptions
supple dome
There is one thing that's of note though.
The isle has primal carnage dinosaurs and locations.
But primal doesnt have all of the isles creatures.
Like our "normal" rex or the giga or our spino etc.
high heath
I explained that
high heath
Primal Carnage is in The Isles past. Which means PC stuff appears in The Isle, but The Isle cannot appear in PC
supple dome
That's not exactly true.
high heath
Yes it is. The Isle does not appear until after Inferno
supple dome
It was suggested.
But we dont truly know if it's in the past. Since everything we've seen had actually been hinting to the future
high heath
...No?
supple dome
Like the destroyed "for a better tomorrow" sign
The destroyed atrium and holding pens etc
The far advanced tech from the concept arts
high heath
Because that would mean that AE created better dinosaurs for military purposes, and PC wouldn't exist because AE did better
supple dome
No.
high heath
Yes.
supple dome
Ae stole assets in operation inferno.
supple dome
Okay I read all you said wrong.
I thought you said the isle was in the past
high heath
It is okay, honest mistake
supple dome
But yeah dude Ae stole a bunch of shite and fucked up a bunch of other stuff.
Which is why we have "better" dinosaurs in the isle while still having the old lads too
high heath
Yeah
supple dome
I'm thinking were going to see a lot of the old sites soon.
When hope actually comes out.
I'm thinking were going to see that good ol pc dock
And labs possibly
Were going to see atriums obviously but I'm 5hinking those will pop in later
Anyway, do you think the carno from pc is like the magna carno or something?
Same with the spino.
The raptor, dilo and Ptera are obviously "normal" animals if not a bit mutated. But I dont think they're like the other 3
barren kelp
In terms of how it functions I kinda feel like pc's carno is a much less spiky type h carno. But if we end up seeing a magna carno I'll agree on that
loud fern
I believe the h car no and pcs car no have similar running animations but not sure
Carno**
forest current
I think is a magna carno, cause hyper carno its like the size of a normal t-rex, and PC carnotaurus are smaller than normal rexes (the isle rex)
tranquil galleon
I don’t believe carnotaurus was extracted during the operation
The only assets extracted are as follows:
Allfather - magna trex
Thronebreaker - magna spino
Alphonse - magna quetz
Nova - magna raptor
tranquil galleon
nope, not anymore
as you can see it says ‘wip’
That was from a long time ago
And since then, the name has been returned to the spinosaurus
slow delta
tbh im not sure how accurate this is since it was way back when the hyper was still wip and during our initial pce search we also found that the pce spino was nicknamed thronebreaker
tranquil galleon
^
slow delta
you could argue that project thronebreaker includes dinosaurs to dethrone the rex including both the pce spino and the hyper but whatever, we will probably get a lore retcon at some time
icy onyx
ye
plain gale
could the new TI spino be the new "thronebreaker"
icy onyx
Tf is this magna spino and magna quetz? We have no evidence for them lmao
All we know of is the hypo/nuero/tisso rex, spino, giga, carno and Utah. And magna/Utah
shut remnant
we have pretty good evidence for quetz
shut remnant
I don't have any pics, but iirc the quetz in primal carnage was always nicknamed alphonse
shut remnant
what? no I mean quetz
icy onyx
There’s a quetz in pce?!
icy onyx
Ahh ok
shut remnant
and fairly sure that giant pterosaur is confirmed to be a quetz
icy onyx
What about magna spino?
shut remnant
there's conflicting evidence for that one so I'm not sure
icy onyx
Magna rex is most likely pce Rex right?
shut remnant
like originally hyper rex was called thronebreaker, but aparantly in PCE that was the name of spino
idk about that one, seems to be based off of it htough
icy onyx
Mmm
And then magna raptor?
Is that nova in pce? I thought Utah is supposed to be nova now
icy onyx
They are?
shut remnant
well codenames would probably be more appropiate
fairly certain
idk the evidence for them being magnas though
apart from just "magna rex looks like PCE rex"
mighty abyss
Far as we know novaraptors can't be replicated fully
They were after all hybridised of multiple genus
And the genetic material retrieved after Inferno was incomplete
snow elk
Yeah
river marsh
@shut remnant Alphonse is a hyper. Definitely not magna ^^'. I believe one of Tap's pieces featured it nuking a helicopter from orbit as evidence.
The fact he got loose and is surviving though leaves a LOT of questions as to how a hyper is able to sustain itself.
paper pagoda
this one?
river marsh
Ye
paper pagoda
and of course this infamous image
paper pagoda
aw man
shut remnant
so I wouldn't count it as evidence
paper pagoda
wait tapwing's a dev now?
shut remnant
ye? for a while lol
I mean dondi DID decide to use tapwing's neurotenic spino design, however I'd be more inclined to see that as a one-off rather then tapwing's previous art being canon
icy onyx
AE-AES-100
TYPE-H SPECIMENS
TYPE-H ASSET STUDY HAS BEEN MOVED FROM (6 LETTERS) TO ATRIUM C. ALL ASSETS SHOW INCREASED BONE DENSITY AND TISSUE GROWTH. DUE TO THE VOLATILE EFFECTS SINCE (5 LETTERS), STUDIES HAVE BEEN SECLUDED TO TYRANNOSAURUS,GIGANOTOSAURUS,SPINOSAURS, AND UTAHRAPTOR SPECIMENS. QUETZALCOATLUS STUDY HAS BEEN NEUTRALIZED SINCE (9 LETTERS). CODE ALFIE-(6 LETTERS) IS STILL MIA.
Alfie is hyper quetz
paper pagoda
Wait, did he design the new spino!?
icy onyx
AE-BLS-003
QUETZALCOATLUS
ALL QUETZALCOATLUS BIOLOGICAL ASSETS HAVE BEEN DEEMED (6 LETTERS) BY (6 LETTERS) SINCE TYPE-H ALFIE-(6 LETTERS) ATRIUM BREACH. ALL STUDIES ARE TO BE CONCLUDED AND ASSETS NEUTRALIZED UNTIL A LATER DATE. ATRIUM C TO BE REPURPOSED FOR TERRESTRIAL TYPE-H SPECIMENS ONLY. DO NOT REPLICATE.
shut remnant
no funko tapwing designed the neurotenic spino
also ye that would prove it lol, just saying tapwing's old art shouldn't be used as evidence
paper pagoda
Hey, he made another matriarch pic!
shut remnant
ye but that's unofficial, so I wouldn't post that here lol
paper pagoda
oh, sorry
shut remnant
I'm not even sure matriarch is still planned for the game lmao
paper pagoda
But this certainly is!
shut remnant
no tapwing is she lol
icy onyx
nah as in tap is she
shut remnant
well ye but that's unofficial still lol
paper pagoda
but what about the helicopter pic?
shut remnant
pretty certain that's unofficial
icy onyx
Tapwing's designs aren't officially canon until we're told they are
I think only the Neuro Spino is as of right now
slow delta
not even sure the neuro spino is canon just because it's similar, as we haven't seen the long tongue or tail attack depicted in the artwork
icy onyx
the artwork existed before the model iirc
I think they took the artwork and just changed some things liek the tail
and made it somewhat less creepy
ya know less skeleton
but since Tisso (and apparently neuro too) is getting a total rework (at least in the idea of what the strain is) then we can't really know what the tisso stuff will look like
digital vale
'Sup, been a while since I checked this subforum last time, but from what I see, Isle-Lore-Theories became quite a loop-hole. Is there any website that truly regularly updates the info we gathered, or are they all dead? I'm thinking about creating a new one to prevent reviving the same old theories with the exactly same outcomes and help people orientate in the "newest" stuff.
opaque crane
Theres been pretty much nothing new to update a website with
Cant regularly update when you havent gotten any recent stuff
The same theories come from the fact that all we've got is the same information from what.. 11 months ago? Somewhere around then
remote badge
what is this? Isle Lore?
opaque crane
Do you mean the conversation or the channel
remote badge
the channel hhaha
opaque crane
The channel name is self-explanatory
remote badge
so ppl were talking about recode for the new year
but no news about it, im confused
i came here looking for some info
opaque crane
The devs estimated mid-late february.
Next time ask in #401464048610312195 if youve got questions about updates and the game
remote badge
oh thanks 😄 and i will
still scarab
Here's what I can compare about tapwings spino compared to the actual once that has been seen in the game
She has a drawing of the actual cannon one
It has a more softer looking tail
and I believe it doesn't have the harpoon tongue
here we go
it's still g0ot the thin tongue
but who's to say it'll actually play a major part in the actual creatures function
sort of like how the hypo carno has forward facing horns but they don't really do much or the hypo giga and spino having split jaws but they don't really function as anything
they could in the future though
But like the others said above if all the strains are getting reworked in appearance then theres a chance they'll all look completely different from what we see now
shut remnant
ye hypers WILL be playable in the future
same with the other strains
I mean, people happily play rex and shit now?
hypers will be primarily stopped by their intense hunger drain
placid hamlet
I played back during the heavy testing for the hypo rex where it was playable after 18 hours, its really fun to police the server, and you absolutely will die of hunger no stopping it. Temporary fun
its a fun game?
however i think we should nudge this thread back to its topic of lore theories and take the existential stuff to discussion 😛
ember flame
Exactly
quartz sundial
Keep this channel serious, if your post isn't lore related or is intended to derail conversations then you'll be removed.
thorny scaffold
That Tisso Quetz is literally the most badass thing of all time
deft canopy
cinder hound
I think port technically counts as the Primal Carnage docks, the two do have some similarities.
cinder hound
Keep in mind, our port existed before the tie-in was officially confirmed.
cinder hound
It probably will.
high heath
Maybe have the sign from Primal Carnage on it, with the girl holding a dinosaur
icy onyx
Didnt they say they will reuse dock assets on new maps?
high heath
I...don't know
mighty abyss
I wonder if there's some time schenanigans going on
opaque crane
theres nothing that points to time stuff happening
mighty abyss
like, there's the dinosaurs, the island, Phoenix and Apollo all as seperate time periods all being mixed in with stuff
it's a theory based on that transmission
cinder hound
Gonna be honest, and this is 100% spitballing here. But considering that Primal Carnage itself is ignoring the Isle connection, and since the quote "Your reality may become temporarily unstable", I feel like its less about time travel, and more along the lines of timelines, or alternate-universe fuckery.
mighty abyss
so visions then? It could happen with a shift of consciousness and bodies
high heath
I don't think that
I mean, The Isle takes place well after PC happens
It's sort of like...Star Wars. You won't see Stormtroopers in the Clone Wars, but you will see Clonetroopers in the Galactic Civil War.
placid harness
Its an ARG
vague dome
you guys need to start thinking more like alex jones
opaque crane
what is that
mighty abyss
People trying to communicate with the lore devs
opaque crane
so not anything actually important then?
ivory jasper
What actually is Tisso?
opaque crane
i think it's something to do with like being able to adapt and defend itself or some shit. I don't think we know very much about the tissoplastic strain cause it just hasnt been talked about for a good while.
opaque crane
it's a strain like a hyper. i think it's easier to sustain though, and they seem to be same size or smaller than their normal counterparts unless the smaller is the neuro strain
fresh rivet
Hyperendocrine: Hyper is to increased something. Endocrine is hormonal and metabolic system of the body. It implies an overdevelopment, specially to growth, that's why hypers are the largest and need to constantly eat
Neurotenic: Brain and electric synapsis development (if the idea of blinding and emps is still a thing)
Tissoplastic: Tissue plasticity. Change shapes, camouflage, spikes, etc
Size: according to tapwing art (which at the time was fanart) the strain sizes go as:
Hyper>Neuro>Normal>Tisso
(none of this is formally confirmed, just theories, but makes sense)
icy onyx
Isnt there a thing on The Hypers btw, for the loading screens?
fresh rivet
¿?
icy onyx
AE-AES-100
TYPE-H SPECIMENS
TYPE-H ASSET STUDY HAS BEEN MOVED FROM (6 LETTERS) TO ATRIUM C. ALL ASSETS SHOW INCREASED BONE DENSITY AND TISSUE GROWTH. DUE TO THE VOLATILE EFFECTS SINCE (5 LETTERS), STUDIES HAVE BEEN SECLUDED TO TYRANNOSAURUS,GIGANOTOSAURUS,SPINOSAURS, AND UTAHRAPTOR SPECIMENS. QUETZALCOATLUS STUDY HAS BEEN NEUTRALIZED SINCE (9 LETTERS). CODE ALFIE-(6 LETTERS) IS STILL MIA.
spring lion
HYPO UTAHHHHHHH
icy onyx
bro
Utah has been shown already.
Wait
Hold up
I didnt even realize there is more than 1 transmitter.
opaque crane
theres only one transmitter
opaque crane
thats not a dev thing
opaque crane
thats some fan made thing
icy onyx
Its very possible. there are two bro.
opaque crane
olympus is the transmitter.
if there was another transmitter they would have posted about it here
icy onyx
True.
mighty abyss
Sender > reciever
tranquil galleon
It’s not official lol
slow delta
It was just a fan idea to try and convince the devs to give some lore information through an in-universe way
vague dome
no memes in this channel mate., mods gonna eat you alive
wispy yoke
My B, Shrek as in the Green Cannibal, the rlly big one? Goliath or something?
vague dome
colossus is it's name, it was a human injected with hyperendercrine tissue
and became a big ass destructive hungry monster
mighty abyss
that was official art back when The Isle was really new
woeful chasm
Last I knew reaper was scrapped, but I could be wrong. Tisso’s in general are being rethought
regal locust
Wasn't made by Tap initially, p sure that's one of Vega's pieces, for clarification.
But yeah, last we heard about it it's bein' put on the back-burner for a possible redo.
quartz sundial
keep this channel serious pls
pure zodiac
So here's a theory I got brewing with that dragon head version of The Isle's symbol.
Call it a colossal stretch, but what if that dragon head is a symbol of the Matriarch's final stage?
feral agate
It was a joke
pure zodiac
Think about it, if the Matriarch is meant to be like this "ultimate strain." A dragon would make sense, masters of both flight and land.
feral agate
It aint
pure zodiac
I know it's a joke but a person can dream.
feral agate
The matriarch is not even confirmed as canon
All dreams here are broken and taken away by pteras
pure zodiac
And all cocky pteras are eaten by Deinos.
trim wagon
Deinosuchus is the croc, right?
high heath
Gator, technically, but yes
trim wagon
Mk ty
woeful chasm
@vale magnet not relevant in the slightest
opaque crane
not the channel for that, alberto and bary were not said to be scrapped, and all dinosaurs will be reaching their maximum sizes now instead of being slightly off
ionic crag
Thanks for the info
deep ridge
About the reaper/Gargyle i THINK it was scrapped
But a model on it was shown it was not done tho
vague dome
no wonder AE wants to harvest our brains
because unlike anyone in their world we don't have the brain cells to read channel descriptions
truely rare even in the multiverse
quartz aspen
epic
buoyant river
What if Troodon was a trial for the cannibals in lore
They move pretty human like
A test for if they could do intelligent animals in cloning
icy onyx
@opaque osprey @polar pasture This is LORE theories as name and channel description clearly describe. The topic you 2 are talking about isnt lore related and thus shouldnt be in here
woeful chasm
This topic is for lore theories only.
untold harness
Ope deleted
high heath
Perhaps PC, TSL, and The Isle are a series of events
Example, PC clones dinos, and the dinosaurs escape. They send in soldiers to deal with it, but they keep dying to said dinosaurs, so, instead of hiring new individuals, they start cloning Humans.
Dinosaurs break into the facility, and that let's these Tribal like Humans out, and they start to create tribes and tame dinosaurs.
PC gets destroyed by AE, and the survivors of the bombing are horribly disfigured and malformed. AE starts cloning their own dinosaurs, and the Tribals adapt over time, thanks to the strain plants, creating things like cannibals and more Orc looking Tribals.
edgy pike
Seeing as TSL has no affiliation with The Isle (other than inspiration) I wouldn't say it's linked with the lore
Dondi was a PC dev and got a deal with the current PC people, whereas there was nothing like that with TSL
high heath
Mind you, my theory is based off of when The Isle had TSL assets
glossy galleon
My Theory is that the bois of The Isle and Primal Carnage had a new idea and ''captured'' humans so they can''play'' as a dinosaur for testing purposes. Idk. Just stoopid thought ig.
icy onyx
Apollo Engineering is just Biosyns cover name
pure zodiac
It's more of a very high chance of being canon, as Tapwing is a dev now.
icy onyx
but tapwing didn't create the Matriarch
she just drew her depiction of it
or that's what i thought
wraith nova
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere. Need to dig through what we know to find it
buoyant river
The key thing is
Is the Matriach canon now or is it scrapped with the old old canon
pure zodiac
That's really the big question, did she get yeeted into the old canon, or is she stalking the current canon?
and whether or not her final form looks draconic
icy onyx
What do you guys think AE's purpose for the Matriarch was? (I have my theory but I'd be interested to hear yours)
silk glen
Im thinking it may have been used as a air hypo of sorts, a reset for the air, since other dinos can only reach so high. Or it was a experiment that went wild and by the time they were able to get it under control it was massive and they had to kill it, since it didnt die by starvation
icy onyx
i am confident the matriarch was mentioned on a loading screen
deep ridge
I remember i thinknthe matriarch was supposed to be playable so i hope she is still canon
deep ridge
If i remember correctly
Wasent that the creature that started smaller than a compy and would grow bigger than pue
echo gazelle
I remember seeing something about that, it might've just been speculation though, unless it was stated somewhere. But all the loading screens were said to come back since they were removed because of font crashes IIRC.
rare narwhal
What if dinosaurs were created with the human genome?
If you look at utaraptor you can see that his eye is quite similar to a human.
rare narwhal
Ah whom as, I unfortunately saw eye near only catch a glimpse.
ornate flower
the Utahs have slit-pupils, like a snake or crocodilian. no human has eyes like that
birds don't have slit-pupils either
pure zodiac
In the case of the Matriarch, that isn't much of a stretch considering it is literally Frankenstein's monster on steroids and crack.
But whatever God hell it is, it's not a dinosaur.
But our Utahs (will supposedly will be renamed to Novaraptor) have slit pupils, much like what Lycanvsaid.
rare narwhal
Thank you for dispelling my doubts
pure zodiac
It was said a while back.
But it was washed away by the hype for the recode
ornate flower
that doesn't make much sense to me, tbh
aside from some minor details and lack of feathers, it looks pretty much as Utah should
pure zodiac
Well there is that huge theory of PC and TH being in the same universe.
ornate flower
true, but Novaraptor are very different from the Utahs. they're hybrids for a start
pure zodiac
Also the Novas and Utahs have a very similar body build.
Only difference is slight pose variations and skins.
ornate flower
most dromaeosaurs have similar builds though
pure zodiac
Utahs and Novas have nearly the exact same head shape. Blocky as hell.
Not counting the feathered Novaraptor skin, which is slightly thinner.
ornate flower
not really. Nova skull is really different. crests are completely different, distance between orbit and back of skull is smaller, snout is more pointed, though rounded
plus there's the ridiculously large teeth
short folio
The Magna rex looks A LOT like the Primal Carnage rex
They're even extremely similar in size
pure zodiac
Well yeah, pc and th supposedly are in the same universe.
short folio
They are
ornate flower
the Magna being a PC:E Rex, i can get behind, as there's obvious similarities in their designs
ornate flower
same thing, tbh
short folio
Maybe the Magna is a more advanced version of the primal carnage or vice versa
Like
An updated version
pure zodiac
I'm saying pc because dondi did the original one.
Or did he do extinction, forgot which tbh.
short folio
I'm pretty sure he worked on both
ornate flower
i like to think that AE are like "Biosyn" to PI's "InGen".
or vice-versa
short folio
The end of the recode trailer confirms that PC and The Isle are in the same universe
pure zodiac
True, the roar.
short folio
I do too, Gothic
ornate flower
tbh, i think it's the inverse, now that i think about it
pure zodiac
But what's funny is what we see in the isle was PC's original idea/plan.
ornate flower
most of AE's dinos are relatively normal, while all of PI's dinos are heavily modified for combat roles
short folio
Imagine a crossover game between both PC and The Isle
They'd have to do it in a certain way to make it good
ornate flower
somebody did some Isle skins for PC:E, but i don't think they were ever uploaded to the workshop
pure zodiac
Well dont the isle and PC take place in archapelagos?
short folio
Oof
pure zodiac
Minus the two snow maps.
short folio
Oh idk
pure zodiac
Wouldn't be a stretch if it's the same area, just different locales.
short folio
Wait which one is stronger, the Magna rex or the hypo rex? I forgot
ornate flower
as far as i'm aware, all the PC/PC:E maps take place on a single island
ornate flower
i do know some maps involve weather control, which might explain snow on a tropical map
pure zodiac
The reason why hyperendocrine strains are so big, powerful, and tanky is literally in the name.
pure zodiac
Mhm.
The endocrine system is the thing that controls that.
You put that into overdrive and now you have the demon incarnate that is the Hyper Rex.
But the endocrine also controls the metabolism of a creature, which is why they must eat constantly.
pure zodiac
Really tank skullcrawlers.
ornate flower
Skullcrawlers are less hyperendocrine, so much as they're hypervores
they can't stop eating
ornate flower
they literally will eat until they puke, then eat again
pure zodiac
But the magna is supposedly the perfected version, it may not be as big as Hypers.
But it doesn't have the constant need to consume.
short folio
Oh
pure zodiac
Magnas as a whole are meant to be weapons against the hypers
short folio
Ohhhh
Ok that makes sense now
I really wish I owned the isle
But my pc can't run it 😔
pure zodiac
Though not physically stronger, they do not need to eat constantly. Meaning they can make more intelligent decisions.
short folio
Also is there a reason that the hypos were created?
pure zodiac
While Hypers must eat, so they usually go head first to eat, which usually backfires if it's a magna.
Also, all the strains were either made for bio-weapons or accidents.
short folio
Oh I just realized I'm calling them hypos and not hypers
And weapons for what? The military?
pure zodiac
Yeah.
short folio
Oh
pure zodiac
But that's really only why Hypers were made
ornate flower
same sort of shenanigans as we see in Primal Carnage
ornate flower
difference is that in PC/PC:E, they mostly finalised the "weapon" dinos
short folio
Oh
ornate flower
well, at least as final as they'll get
short folio
I wonder which came first, the Magna or the PC rex
pure zodiac
Pc
ornate flower
it's not like there's anyone making more of the PC dinos
pure zodiac
The game is way older.
pure zodiac
That's, oddly enough idk.
Eitherway they must've been made after the strains escaped the atrium.
But even then there is still a lot we don't know about the strains, other than their capabilities.
One theory I've seen floating about is "Echidna" is supposedly some evolved version of the eyeless monsters we called "cannibals."
short folio
The cannibals are pretty creepy lol
pure zodiac
Yeah, supposedly a theory for those bastards is the result of insane cross species gene splicing.
As the "cannibals" clearly have saurian aspects in their form.
loud warren
They tried to cross hyper dna with human dna and got the cannibals. Boom.
icy onyx
Primal Carnage rex is probably the magna rex I mean ain't it obvious
loud warren
Injected them into a human (hypo dna) and the body rejected it and the prima urges to eat are from the hypo dna, but the hunger turned them into horrifying creatures who eat anything
Like
tranquil galleon
The cannibals were children of echidna
digital vale
Well, from what I remember of a conversation we had here few months back, the PC Rex (the iconic red-orange one) was called Big Daddy or something like that, and he was the original T-Rex used by Phoenix Corp as a foundation for the other PC Rexes (a.k.a. his clones). The Magna Specimens B-442 and B-443 are different than him, they aren't his direct clones and also have different colour of scales, bodybuild, etc. Thought the actual information might be different, this is pretty old conclusion.
Cannibals aren't her children, she sort of ... "adopted" them. They are much lower inteligence-wise, so she took them "under her wings" and they praise her as a godness.
icy onyx
cannibals arnt hyper humans, that's that Colossus
wispy ice
^
woeful chasm
I thought echidna was the first Neuro human success even if it warped and thirsted the person. I’m guessing cannibals were failures
tranquil galleon
Mhm, adopted
icy onyx
Yea Echidna is one of the strain humanoids
Reaper being tisso, Colossus being hyper and Echidna being neuro
serene gull
I always thought cannibals where humans that where trapped on the island...and became.....well cannibals. until I saw the design now i just see it as those fucking monsters from the forest game
digital vale
I believe the cannibals might be the first people whose consciousness was put into dinosaurs. The Transmitter mentioned that after few cycles (dieing -> reborning -> dieing -> reborning etc.), the only basic ideologies such as rage, violence, etc. remained, and that the first generation of //// turned to worship, probably Echidna, who sees them as a primitive creatures. But to be fair, we also know that Cannibals weren't allways those spooky white bois, but they transformed from Tribals (?) (might be outdated), so I'm probably wrong.
icy onyx
Is the human conscious in dino thing true or a theory?
digital vale
Its not confirmed, just a theory. It's quite possible, but there is still a question - why would they do it? Why would they put human consciousness into dino body?
inner viper
I'd assume some sort of testing, the usual making dinos into weapons trope
icy onyx
Dinos as weapons wouldnt work
digital vale
Who knows, I personally like the theory about "playing a god" and trying to become the perfect organism to prevent some terrible fate that's supposed to happen. Our consciousness is going throught an infinitive number of rebirthing (The end is never the end) and with each life, you gain some new experience and memories. Only the strong ones who don't become mad ( -> Cannibals) and get to some point will gain an access to Gateway, then they will be moved to Tartarus and there they will become "monsters", perfect organism, or whatever. I truly don't remember much stuff we talked here about.
icy onyx
strains as biological weapons i have been thinking could work
sand pike
“Thousand life contract” = agreed to be reborn as dino for unknown (probably military) purposes
again and again
grim snow
I feel like it’s more of a metaphoric term to express the amount of lives AE has taken
The contract part is to probably signify what people are getting into when they join AE, to be part of the thousand disposable lives
sand pike
ooo I actually really like that idea too, makes me wonder in exactly what way they are being disposed? War? Experimentation? I can’t wait for more lore to be added to the game!
random sundial
Ptn
woeful chasm
It’s a theory because of the death screen there is computer output showing peta bytes of data being transferred
jolly scaffold
Uploading human consciousness to dinosaurs?
gloomy olive
ye
shut ore
As i know, hypos were created as misstake, the actual target was the magna-strain.
not misstake more like, they arent perfect
sleek thicket
Can we all remind ourselves that Dondi confirmed that tribals and Cannibals are the same thing. The weird alien, no eyed, Future Predator looking things are some separate entity Dondi hasn't revealed yet.
icy onyx
magna isnt a strain tho
^
We think that Hypo's were created on purpose (hence the reason there are several hypo's) and that they are bio weapons that are being tested by AE in uses of warfare (props to Tao)
Also, I think there is some weird arms race / impending war in The Isle's world. Here's why...
Apollo Engineering itself is an organization right? They seem to have a great understanding of biology and chemistry. As evidenced by the mere existence of strains we know that one of the things they specialize in is the utilization of biological assets for various purposes, such as weaponization.
Cross referencing with one of the loading screens, we know there exists an executive helipad that is explicitly stated to be used by higher level employees and government officials.
By simply inferring we can see that individuals from a certain or multiple governments may keep contact with AE in order to scout their progress. Another easy inference is that said government officials could be interested in purchasing or contracting biological weapons from AE.
Now to warrant AE's continued operations / connections with governments, there simply has to be an existing demand for biological weapons.
With the existence of Phoenix International, we know that this demand for research has been going on since potentially before AE, which may be years or even decades.
We know this because Phoenix predates AE's island operation at the very least.
Human history shows there really is only one type of event that incites massive technological progression and innovation in weapons development for extended periods in time.
And that's war. - Tao Metru
tranquil galleon
indeed
The magnas were assets stolen from PI during op. inferno
And AE mandated the continued production of hyperendocrin specimens
icy geyser
all i gotta say is aliens
waxen pulsar
The entire primal carnage lore and history ties in with the isle. Pheonix and AE are like the ingen and biotechnicians. The magnatyrannus has the same sounds as the the PC as does the Arco. (not to mention that last year dondi made a magna skin colored as the default PC skin)
serene gull
nobodys talking about the weird gem thingy in the test level?
ive ben wondering about the damn thing for as long as i played
fresh rivet
???
serene gull
if you go to the test level you spawn near this wall next to the portal that sends you to the other side of the map. on the wall theres a moving camera to the right side and a rock with a smaller floating rock that glows at night. theres a small red one and the floating rock is grey
anyone notice that?
fresh rivet
placeholder most likely imo
serene gull
probobly
tiny carbon
The rocks are representations of the day/night cycle and the weather
When the weather is stormy the light turns bluish, when its night the rocks change positions and etc...
serene gull
ooh
icy onyx
Cool
upbeat urchin
The new isle poster the gun looks like the commandos gun in primal carnage
icy onyx
it's a spas 12
SPAS-12 has been featured in a lot of media so yea, its in a lot of places
mighty abyss
even PCE!
real question though: What is the purpose of the hypsilophodon's GREAT FLUFFY EYEBROWS
icy onyx
Sex maybe
lost marsh
alijar its probably to swoon mates and humans alike
mighty abyss
it's certainly swooned me
clear tangle
all i know is if hypsi is playable and if it can be any shade of green its gonna be a bitch to spot with those feathers looking like leaves
gloomy olive
im kinda curious about the poster too
the skull kinda been there a long time if its just bone 
mayb over analysing tho
icy onyx
probably not to long
high heath
Animals with bigger feathers or more colorful features are usually attracting the opposite sex
placid field
Anybody have any ideas for an in-universe explanation for the remodels? For me I think AE captured any remaining animals with old designs (Or in this case, old subspecies) and replaced them with more fit, healthier animals
woeful chasm
each generation I believe is a new model or something to that effect
stone crater
yeah! some old loading screens mention differences between Gen 1 and Gen 2 Carnos and Utahs, and how they develop-- increased swimming aptitude, poor vision, progressed intelligence...
"
AE-BLS-4097
CARNOTAURUS
CARNOTAURUS STUDIES ARE TO REMAIN ON SOUTHERN PLATEAU. DATA FROM ALL GEN-1 FAILURES ARE TO BE EXPUNGED ALONG WITH OUTDATED BIO-ASSETS IN (6 LETTERS). GEN-2 DISPLAYS INCREASED PHYSICAL APTITUDE AND METABOLISM. SUBJECTS STILL SUFFER FROM POOR EYESIGHT AND ROTATION DURING HIGH VELOCITY MOTION. TYPE-H DEVELOPMENT APPROVED BY (7 LETTERS). REPLICATE.
"
that seems to refer to the Carnotaurus remodel? says to purge all outdated models and replicate the new ones, that Gen 2 Carno is better at running and stuff, but terrible at turning, and that Hyper Carno was in the works. All seems to check out
tranquil galleon
Yes different generations refers to different models
waxen pulsar
@upbeat urchin isnt that the pathfinder's alt. from the shotgun?
upbeat urchin
Oh maybe
Ik that they have alt guns like the commando has one but I thought pathfinder had a machete
Idk if I spelled that right
upper island
If you put this image in high contrast you can see some text scattered around. So far I found the word “propaganda”
hollow violet
Prop a gandalf
meager fulcrum
Lol
digital vale
I don't think it's something important, all the Hypo concept arts use same stock image in the background. It's some sort of document from 12. December 1927 talking about some propaganda material hostile towards the US.
upper island
Oh
edgy pike
I think we've now got all the Primal dinosaurs excluding Tupandactylus
oh and Cryolophosaurus
icy onyx
add cryo