However it’s possible the Isle generates a new one based on your steam id
#isle-lore-theories
woeful chasm
sinful wraith
It is too similar to not be related with that
digital vale
The one listed in the console is - I believe - not the whole ID. It looks like the second person who logged into the console tried to use his ID, but the system (or replicator?) detected it's a trespasser and disallowed him to leave. He quicky started to ask the console for trespassers ("profile subjects to wipe and redistribution") but he couldn't find any of them ( = they or their information were wiped), then activated the replication of AllFather (accepted), Alphonse (failed), then tried to find some EIP user (failed) and location of Gateway (found), but when he tried to transfer EIP, some error happened and it told him he is located in the Tartarus - the end. I'm not sure if this is really what was going on, but I think this "second person" tried to escape the Tartarus into the Island Three but failed, or tried to get himself or somebody else from Island Three into Tartarus with the use of a) Khorne's ID or b) some administrator privilege. But hey, it's just a theory, I might be terribly wrong.
rain crystal
it seemed more like there's multiple voices talking to him, one that's trying to help or mask his location, one that's trying to find and terminate. the "don't listen to the other profiles, they are not complete" seems to indicate this too
it seems like there's a struggle between the profiles ("your location: unknown, you are in tartarus") and rather than give him up, let him be wiped, etc. one of the profiles transfers him, and all the sudden he's dr. chase
one of the profiles transferred him and altered his logins/privileges to be doctor chase, to keep him from being wiped
or at least, that's how i see it
woeful chasm
Chase is a different person
rain crystal
we're absolutely sure that 2 people accessed the console, not one?
echo gazelle
Nobody actually accessed it, the Replicator most definitely chooses favorites, Khorne along with two others I believe were selected during the Console Stream. He was the one to initially replicate All-Father. There was a choice out of 3 things to replicate iirc.
placid harness
you just lost a subscriber
Oh god.
What supernatural forces do you people think are in play, if any at all?
opaque crane
I dont think theres anything supernatural going on
woeful chasm
Lol
vague glen
Theoretically, sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. The respawn mechanic ingame is also a real process that happens in-universe, moving your EIP to a new body once you die. From what we know, this is a wireless process, but still completely technological. If that's the level of tech available, then any supernatural events in the game can easily be explained via their tech.
jade frigate
how to get points>]
slow condor
Is there a sort of collection of what we currently know about the lore? If so, could someone DM me it?
opaque crane
If you look in the pinned messages there should be everything
slow condor
Ah, thanks
nimble wasp
Excuse me while I throw out a stupid theory that took me literally all of 4 seconds to think of after reading Khorne's interactions with the console. It mentions Tartarus, a gateway, and 3 islands. Tartarus is in the underworld. Who guards the gateway to the underworld? Cerberus. How many heads does he have? Three. Illuminati confirmed
icy onyx
😕
hasty latch
Yeah... sure.
river marsh
You know. It could have been a less shitposty theory if you mentioned the three heads potentially being the three Apex strains. Ie, giga, spino, and rex. There are also three strains, even if one of them is being reworked. Hyper. Tisso. Neuro. But that likely only corellates mildly to Cerberus at best and is more a nod to it than an actuality.
loud adder
probably wrong here but when @nimble wasp said khorne mentioned something about 3 islands but what if those three islands where the three islands on the map hope, the main big island, and the small island west of the main island
im an idiot for saying this but how do find the interactions with khorne
stone crater
I think I missed something big. I keep seeing these screenshots with "User Inquiry:" in them, and the lore site says that the community interacted with the console? And apparently we chose Allfather, and Nova, Alphonse, and Thronebreaker were deleted? Who's Khorne? Is there a site with the full Console interaction somewhere? Tryna make sense of all the snippets of lore I keep hearing here, but it's difficult.
woeful chasm
Pinned messages
wraith nova
@loud adder in pinned there's link to lore website. Probably some of it is out of loop and no more a cannon but still could help figure something out
woeful chasm
Khorne was a player
Pinned messages has a site with a summary video, there are a couple others that are similar for different parts too.
stone crater
ahh. awesome! I was on the wrong lore site, then
woeful chasm
V3 is I-03, the third island. All the video on the main screen is tagged I-04 which means there is a 4th we haven’t seen...(Hope?)
regal locust
There was a v4 map.
Which ironically, v3 had replaced. As they basically just took v3 and changed it alittle bit.
slow delta
I like the cerberus idea if you connect it to the strains
We got 3 strains so far
3 heads of the guardian
loud adder
what if tarturus is a valt
what if the vault is the picture with the mega doors keeping all the monsters
colossus, type-M, maybe Echidna or other things
remember in the consol it said that AE. was trying to create the perfect organism
what if the vault (tarturus) is were they keep the perfect organisms
and they release the failed experiments into the wild
probably just wrong about this lol
i looked up what throne breaker means and it said
Thronebreaker... breaking the throne. Probably a reference to usurping the throne from a reagent or otherwise taking down the regime.
this is part of another game tho
but what if the hypo rex was tested to be militarized
taking down a regime right what if the hypo rex was used to take down the russians during the cold war. i looked up when did the first desktop computers come out and it said 1975
sinful wraith
throne breaker, nove, all-father are all names that were picked as a reference to the game Primal Carnage which Dondi was a dev iirc
and these names are not even canon anymore
woeful chasm
Right
It can’t be a vault because we know echidna escaped, also the Matriarch is missing
fallow heron
going back to the repetition of groups of three, three is a hugely important number in Greek mythology. 3 fates, 3 sections of the underworld, 3 groups of entities (gods, titans and primordials) - you get the picture
woeful chasm
Yeah I don’t think we will know for sure what is still canon until the recode
fallow heron
yeah, can't wait, i'm starting to get a little frustrated at the confusion as to what's still canon and what's been scrapped
stone crater
I don't know about canon, but I sure as Hades have a buncha headcanons!!
I saw someone way back made an Isle fanfic, so I'm writing a few Isle stories myself, but first I have to wrap my head around exactly what's happening lore-wise
digital vale
I'm sure it will be very difficult to write fanfic with (almost?) 100% affirmation of lore. We know alot about the game but at the same time we know nothing. We don't even know what exactly are we. (Also, not sure if I understood that Hades thingo you wrote right, but Hades was confirmed as a Hypo Carno) Still, wish you good luck 👍
fallow heron
@stone crater yo can you dm me that link? sounds interesting
stone crater
oh yeah, alrighty! lemme just find it
tame crescent
How are you all finding out about the lore? What am I missing because it sounds fascinating.
gilded obsidian
the little lore that we have now is hidden behind puzzles pieces, like decoding a morse code, etc.. you can learn most of what we know if you look at the pinned messages @tame crescent
tame crescent
@gilded obsidian Oop! Didn’t see the pinned messages (on mobile), but will look there. Thanks.
stoic creek
Is there an explanation of the giant lake ribs?
nova viper
No never will be its just there
icy onyx
I just wonder. Any idea why Olympus has gone silent for so long? 110 days since last tweet wich is 32 days longer than last longest silence period.
flint marten
might be that they are prioritizing finishing the recode and working on the game rather than expand on the lore at the moment? All speculation on my part ofcourse, but seems plausible enough
icy onyx
Yea thats probably it
flint marten
tbh, I was kinda wondering why the lore-part seems to have died out, but I'm thinking that they might still be shaping the story and lore in the game and parts of it might depend on mechanics and what they pull off from a technical point of view?
something like several versions of the lore depending on which mechanics they can make work, and how it will play might drastically change what they can do with the story
icy onyx
I guess new part of the lore will come out few days before completely finish recoding
flint marten
maybe, I hope so 'cause I'm curious to know more about AE and the strain-viruses or whatever they are Oo
flint marten
Dinosauriac said a little while ago that they are hoping to post an update soon, might contain some lore-tidbits too for all we know
icy onyx
certainly hope so
mighty abyss
I wonder if it'll coincide with the PCE rumour/update announcement
mighty abyss
I take that as a no then
twin vale
it's unlikely there'll be all that much more "lore" stuff soon. the update i mentioned would be covering some of the improvements coming with the recode, hasn't gone up yet since said improvements aren't ready to be shown just yet.
nova viper
I don't even understand lore xD
woeful chasm
Thanks @twin vale ! Good to know.
icy onyx
@nova viper What I undestand rn is that scientists are as always doing stupid science experiments (transfering human mind to dinos) and genetical engineering, and well, always when you have dinos, and especially mutant dinos, breaches happen. I believe 2 geneticaly modified dinos escape
nova viper
Ah.
icy onyx
omg so sorry
opaque crane
I dont think either of those are lore relevant
mighty abyss
Y'all notice that Phoenix logo in the new animated server icon?
icy onyx
Oh thanks
flint marten
Phoenix? Isn’t that the army medical insignia?
wicked helm
Ye
flint marten
Yeah, that’s right actually, can’t remember which god, but it is the staff of one of them
wicked helm
It whas really really long ago, but i think someone has already explained that sign
I think it whas anth
Not sure
flint marten
Asklepios is the one
icy onyx
The caduceus is often incorrectly used as a symbol of healthcare organizations and medical practice, particularly in North America, due to confusion with the traditional medical symbol, the Rod of Asclepius, which has only one snake and is never depicted with wings.
flint marten
Son of Apollo, god of healing, prophecy and truth
flint marten
Apollo Engineering is the full name of AE isn’t it? Makes sense that they could incorporate something from the son of Apollo?
icy onyx
Ye but why use the wrong staff?
flint marten
Nvm indeed, it is the wrong staff for that to be true Oo
wicked helm
Weird
gilded obsidian
iirc that isn't hermes staff
wicked helm
Wot then @gilded obsidian
icy onyx
Cadaceus (aka that staff) is staff of hermes lol?
Also update - it is symbol of medics at least in us because us fked up their symbols
This is statue of hermes holding the staff
opaque crane
The caduceus of iften gets confused with the rod of asclepius, the actual medical symbol, but the one in the icon is indeed Hermes'
fresh rivet
This is getting off topic, but to clear it: caduceus is the staff of Hermes, messenger of the gods, who has nothing to do with medicine. Patron of thieves, merchants, etc.
The other one being the rod of Asclepius, son of Apollo and patron of medicine, healing and rejuvenation
Why are we confusing this? Because Americans
fresh rivet
I have no idea
slow delta
The animated icon has a new ae logo with a dna strand in between
twin vale
The one on the left is commonly associated with medical settings in media
flint marten
well, genetics would still be concidered a medical science, right? so genetics used to clone and engineer dinos and strains could be the justification for the use of that symbol? or am I way off base here?
slow delta
I wonder if the icon itself has any clues lol
flint marten
the ingame one doesn't have the DNA strand?
slow delta
Not inside it like that
Looking too deep in small aesthetic changes but im starving for lore
flint marten
it does have a DNA strand in it, but it looks different, I'll give you that atleast 😛
mighty abyss
Crackpot theory: the strains were supposed to be medicine but a further evolutionary potential/error was found in them
It makes sense in a way
hypers have enhanced strength - bone growth, muscle replenishment. Neurotenic - brains regeneration, intelligence. Tissoplastic - skin, cells
flint marten
might not be quite as crackpot as you think, medicine and military applications for all three of those, and AE seems shady enough to go alittle too far like that XD
flint marten
XD
icy onyx
That makes so much sense I'm just like
Military use is probably it
I mean everyone wants super soldiers
flint marten
yeah, some really fucked up shit has been done in the pursuit of the so-called super-soldiers in the last 100 years, so it is plausible
icy onyx
I mean according to some sources: "DARPA today has a long-term, $3 billion program to help make such a “Metabolically Dominant Soldier.”"
flint marten
strains worked on carnivorous dinosaurs and plant-life , so human experimentation started but proved uncontrollable, and that's why we have the mutated cannibal-thingies perhaps 😛
flint marten
Soviet experimented on live monkeys, doing head-transplantations to try to make a submissive, fearless, super-soldiers by putting heads of monkeys on other bodies and stuff, really horrific shit
that was back in like the '50s or '60s tho, so not very recent atleast
icy onyx
I mean, give scientists massive funds, ability to do literally anything even if its inhumane
and well, youll find someone who will do it
flint marten
yeah
hearty mulch
Thing about the connotations of the staff used
Phoenix stole a lot of shit to make their shit happen
And then Apollo stole everything they did
So the double meaning of the staff is fun
that being the earlier stated patronage to thieves and the like, while most nowadays mistakenly believe it to originally be a staff associated with healing
Gives me a snake in the flowerbed feel
icy onyx
It also has to do something with trading
and one of the origin stories is that 2 snakes were fighting in an eternal fight until Hermes tore them apart making a peace between the 2
frigid inlet
Re icon having clues/lore, nothing new, that's been there the whole time. It's part of the start up menu when you load the game, which is where I got the frames for the icon.
woeful chasm
That’s what I figured
slow delta
Oh
violet nest
Very stupid idea and probably gonna get pointed at and laughed at or this comment is gonna get deleted, but what if they made a genetically modified dinosaur that had the traits of all three strains? x.x
opaque crane
Thats not a theory, but there's been no evidence of a mix of all three strains existing. Closest is the magna, the perfect creature
Even then it doesnt incorporate traits of all the strains
merry fractal
i could be completely wrong here, but maybe that symbol in the isles icon has something to do with this
its that thing from primal carnage
again i could be completely wrong >.>
woeful chasm
I think that’s where it originated but I’m not sure it’s canon anymore
dire seal
saucy McFlubbernutter, have you looked at Tapwings matriarch designs?
cinder atlas
woeful chasm
?
opaque crane
accidentally tagged server admins I believe
dire seal
yea that was the issue
woeful chasm
With that face I wouldn’t want to tag Gar if I needed to 😛
dire seal
apparently typing a sa (in caps) in any word will tag them
woeful chasm
Good to know
dire seal
but on the matriarchs, I cant remember if the isle tweeted about one or not, tapwing came up with the idea of a creature with tisso and hyper strains to augment it
mighty abyss
snrk
And on the Phoenix Corp. Logo: it's different. It's clearly inspired by the caddicus staff but it's different
DNA instead of snakes, a globe instead of the top, and four wings
(two are behind the front in a 3d version of the logo)
gilded obsidian
this channel is for #isle-lore-theories tho
dire seal
I have an idea, potentially the reason we haven't seen any tisso dinos (aside from the active camo) is the devs don't know how they want to present the strain. If (Big IF) the Tisso-Plastic strain follows the same written logic as the Hyper-Endocrine strain (Hyper=increased/above, Endocrine=something to do with how the body regulates growth) we can infer that the tissos are actually shapeshifters (Tisso=(sounds like tissue) plastic=malleable /flexible).
tiny carbon
@dire seal They had a plan for them originally that involved things like active camoflauge and some form of toxin/venom, though they said they wanted to redesign it to an extent (about a year and a half to two years ago) and we have yet to hear/see anything official on it
real thicket
What if the reason there arnt any tisso strains out is because they are invisible, hiding, watching us from the shadows
toxic breach
they got released ages ago. we just can't see them...
icy onyx
^
trim palm
all those ankle high rocks you cant walk over? heh... thats the tittos
tissos* but im laughing too much to want to fix it
icy onyx
Lmfao that's amazing
ebon pine
Ah yes, the tittos.
azure agate
cedar cedar
What are tissos
icy onyx
what if they scrapped tissos entirely
gilded bronze
You think they would’ve kept certain test subjects when they injected them with these strains? Continuously adding more genetic material until they become violently and genetically unstable?
slow delta
I have come to a conclusion. A lot of us suspected that the 3 human strains were created after the dino ones. But what if it was the other way around? First of all, the console had mentioned the existence of the tisso reapers even before the fall of Phoenix International with Operation Inferno. Secondly, if a bunch of scientists want to try out forcibly evolving animals, they would opt for manipulating mammals first because we are far more familiar with their organism than something like dinosaurs. Especially you would want to test it on humans so you can not only monitor their bodily functions but if possible communicate with them and have them describe what they feel. You can't do that with unintelligent animals. Once the effects were confirmed and analysed by comparing the human strains to normal humams, they could be used on other organisms like plants or reptiles. There might be slight variations between a hyper human and a hyper rex but the majority of the effects would already be known from the human tests, giving the scientists a template organism to function as a control to compare with the newly developped dino strains.
For example, one variation that might have happened between human and dino strains is the hyper hunger. While humans dont have an extreme metabolism, dinosaurs do. So while the colossus might have suffered from a higher caloric intake, it wasnt as serious as with the raptor and rex, which needed the speculated repairs that gave us the Magnas. That is also supported by the fact that there are no Magna human types. Additionally since herbivores (mammals or dinos) require to constantly eat plants which have a low caloric content, a wild Hyper strain wouldnt be able to survive on simple plant life and starve to death. Another reason for the hyper humans survivability could be the omnivorous diet which would give it a lot more food options than a hyper rex. Unless a hyper herbivore was fed high calorie crops by humans it would probably starve itself by eating leaves or bushes since these suck as food items. This is a reason herbivores in general eat constantly and while farm animals arent hungry due to their feed, constantly eating is genetically engineered into them so a hyper herbivore would eat constantly out of habit even when its not hungry. That wouldnt be very economic for a company like apollo. On the other hand, strain trees wouldnt suffer from the hunger due to the difference in plants. As long as they had enough soil nutrients and water, the bigger they grew the more sugars they would produce for themselves from photosynthesus. So while the bigger the hyper rex is the more food it needs, a hyper tree needs less food the bigger it is. This could also be explained by the fact that the art we have seen for the plant strains includes giant trees and not small plants. Small plants wouldnt be able to photosynthesise hard enough to sustain themselves.
Tl;dr i believe human strains were made first as a template to compare the effects of the strains on dinosaurs and plants.
mighty abyss
I'm going to politely ask you to use a few more paragraphs next time you write something like that
slow delta
Im on my phone so i work with what i got
woeful chasm
It’s possible the tribals/cannibals are failed experiments on humans.
echidna is the only successful human test I am aware of of the Neuro strain.
I’m not super familiar with the reapers but I think a chunk is no longer cannon.
icy onyx
Cannibals kinda seem like failed experiments, not sure about tribals tho
opaque crane
Arent cannibals and tribals the same thing? Pretty sure dondi said so
regal locust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFXKJPx35Q @opaque crane @icy onyx
opaque crane
Yeah
opaque crane
Thatd be nice
flint marten
Very nice indeed, seems there’s alot of assumptions based on those UE marketplace primitives with the blue warpaint that Dondi has a few clips of on Twitch
wraith nova
I would assume plants would be first experiments, it's easiest to see which strain merge with dna and not destruct it. Stable hybrids/mutants show which strains are stable and which are not. Also we should consider that those plants with strains could feed on meat like meat eating plants.
About herbivores with hypo strain, to be honest it seem that it targets agression, and probably tries to achive super weapon of some sort. Herbivores aren't too agressive and more agressive ones are slower and armoured. At last stegosaurus is first thing that comes to my mind when I think about agressive herbivore.
slow delta
Tricerapops, shant, parasaur, anky, pachy, theri can all be considered aggressive
wraith nova
So far we didn't saw any evidences that Hypos doesn't need more food intake. In short, herbivores already spend a lot of time on feeding.
slow delta
What
wraith nova
In game, we saw just very hungry hypo carnivores. Hypo strain messes with metabolism. Hypo herbivore would spend most of time on feeding if not all the time. Beacause plants doesn't give enought calories, especially for creatures as big
icy onyx
I mean, big herbies these times spend most of their time feeding. - "Elephants eat between 149 and 169 kg (330-375 lb.) of vegetation daily. Sixteen to eighteen hours, or nearly 80% of an elephant's day is spent feeding."
Now imagine making it a Hypo
It would be almost impossible for Hypo elephant to nutrition itself
slow delta
Thats what i said in my original message
A plant diet wouldnt be able to sustain a hyper herbivore at all
While a meat diet can somewhat sustain a hyper carnivore
And an omnivore diet might give hyper humans an advantage
wooden pollen
They've already come out and said there won't be any hypo herbs
slow delta
Yes and im speculating that lore wise herbivore strains arent viable due to the food shortage
mighty abyss
Hypo psittaco, terrorizer of shins
swift jungle
hypo galli ;-;
toxic breach
it's basically a hadrosaur after that
halcyon stirrup
The reason why the largest land species on the planet are herbivorous is because of the abundance of food.
To reiterate, if a Brachiosaurus can sustain off of plant life, why couldn't a hypo trike?
oak pumice
"food shortage"
have you been on either of the game maps?
maybe "hypo herbis" can eat any type of plant on the map instead of just the one
halcyon stirrup
I'm convinced the reason there won't be hypo herbivores is because of bias
frigid inlet
What if Tisso herbivore
halcyon stirrup
What if any strain herbivore?
dull osprey
neuro herb 😍😍
oak pumice
herbivores need something to avoid being constantly mowed down by the carnivore strains
halcyon stirrup
The fact of the matter is, herbivores bring a lot of new ideas to the table when it comes to genetic exaggerations. You could go with the stuff you've seen in fan-art and create this unstoppable tank with a wildly bad attitude by straining an ankylosaurid.
It honestly seems more practical to strain something that there's a chance it won't bite back and eat you
oak pumice
make herbivores the defensive strains and make carnivores offensive
carnivore walks past "I'M OFFENDED"
halcyon stirrup
Its pretty disappointing that the only logical conclusion I can draw is that they simply wouldn't find it cool enough.
Lol
oak pumice
hypo para could shoot temporarily debilitating sonic booms out of its face or something
trying to facetank this thing and then BWWWWAAAAMMM
halcyon stirrup
Its interesting to note too that Elephants and Horses are historically both vastly more popular in war than domestic carnivores like wolves.
And they're used offensively
Or they could just make paras breath fire
sinful wraith
Wrong channel
halcyon stirrup
Not at all. It's rooted from the theories of why hypo herbivores aren't a thing
I'm just here explaining why it makes no sense that they aren't.
halcyon stirrup
Well, I don't come in here often enough to understand the intricacies of Isle theorizing. I suppose going too far into detail on a topic can appear "off topic".
Rip fun, guess I'll just not talk in here lol
sinful wraith
Didn’t mean to act as the police here
Just saying I suddenly arrived here and saw jokes on hypo Galli, Taco or Oro and Para breathing fire. Speculation about the lore isn’t the same as speculation about if the devs should release this or that (#401464048610312195). Anyway, it was just a warning, didn’t mean to be rude, I’m sry and have a great day
halcyon stirrup
Don't worry too much about it. You did what you thought was the right thing to do. I'm giving you a hard time because I thought you were trying to be annoying.
sinful wraith
What about we just keep trying all together to solve that big 100000 pieces puzzle that is the Isle Lore
toxic breach
could have a completely different set of strains for herbis
more suited for their own playstyle
halcyon stirrup
There have been a handful of possible strains for herbivores. It's not a matter of can't, its that they won't. Or Dondi doesn't appear to want to.
toxic breach
yeah that's the main reason
the lore is going to be how the devs want the game to play, not the other way round
so if they don't want strain herbis then that will be the thing which makes sense in the lore
sinful wraith
Death and violence seem important in the process of creating the perfect organism for AE
Carnivores are the ones that will most likely fight to survive
toxic breach
yeah if they're just trying to make weapons then focusing on carnis makes sense
guess these made scientists arn't the "lets try to help humanity" type
icy onyx
@halcyon stirrup Dunno if already explained it to you, but big herbies (in these times for example elephant) need to eat most of their time. Lemme citate a text I already pasted here: "Elephants eat between 149 and 169 kg (330-375 lb.) of vegetation daily. Sixteen to eighteen hours, or nearly 80% of an elephant's day is spent feeding." - that time is as said in text spent only feeding. Now the elephant also needs to sleep and drink. If you made it into hypo, in my opinion it would need to feed at least 23 hours a day leaving no time for resting etc
toxic breach
if hypo herbis were in the lore, then they would probably eat meat as well as clear forests to sate their appetite
hypo trike would eat its own herd
and any rexes it came across
and clear forests which would mean smaller dinos would no longer have food or cover
icy onyx
Yea, they would probably have to be omnivores, tho I must say, the idea of trike eating rex is actually amusing
slow delta
wraith nova
We are getting slightly off topic here. Herbivore strains aren't part of lore, just part of fanarts. Unless I missed something, which actually wouldn't be so odd, there's a lot of those pieces of lore we got
echo gazelle
I don't think any of you understood anything on what HellShade wrote down. It's speculation on lore. Nobody knows what the Isle's lore is, yes we have pieces but that doesn't confirm anything. Overall, this channel is a Theory channel. Theories aren't confirmed nor denied unless said so by a dev.
timber notch
I could see tisso being largely stealthy and thus being suited for herbivores, as a means to protect themselves from other strains that they can't really compete with. I kind of hope it turns out that way.
halcyon stirrup
@icy onyx
The thing is
It gets bigger and more efficient at eat presumably
And either way it doesn't appear that the carnivores wouldn't have a whole lot of time to not be eating either
Its also worth noting elephants can survive long travels without food
So who's to say a genetically modified dinosaur couldn't
tiny carbon
Tisso is (was) a strain that made the host a more efficient hunter. Venom, active camouflage, faster speed, etc... are all things that would make you a more efficient hunter, not a more efficient survivor (directly, anyways). If anything Neuro would be the strain that would allow for better survivability without directly increasing any obvious hunting traits. If there was going to be any kind of herbivore strain I would assume neuro first, Hypo second (as a far off) and then tisso to follow in last. But last time I checked the herbivores were confirmed to not be getting any strains anyways.
halcyon stirrup
I'm just trying to say there isn't a logical reason why carnivores are preferred for strains. It appears to be a sort of business decision to make the game more appealing by adding horror elements.
Or rather more horror elements
toxic breach
theoretically, i wonder what traits would be preffered for herbi strains
survivability i assume
halcyon stirrup
If the plot of the isle has as many parallels to JP as I think it does, than Strains were probably designed with war in mind. It feels like there's some form of military plot. Either way herbivores would if nothing else be a way more manageable test subject.
tiny carbon
If they were designed with war in mind then making the strains from carnivores would be the ideal situation as they would be more inclined to kill. Carnivores have a reason to kill things other than self-defense, whereas herbivores normally do not seek out to do harm to anything unless they are threatened to some extent.
Herbivores are literally just eat drink sleep find mate eat drink sleep repeat etc... while carnivores are hunting to top that off. Again, the idea of becoming an ideal hunter over becoming an ideal survivor (in a war situation like you mentioned) pushes the thought of strains being made from carnivores instead of herbivores into a much more favorable and obvious light.
halcyon stirrup
Wrong. If that was the case than why are carnivores so few and far between in war historically.
tiny carbon
Because we couldn't control them and keep them from easily turning on ourselves?
And genetic engineering/brain control wasn't around then?
halcyon stirrup
And what makes you think they can control strains?
halcyon stirrup
You're heavily implying it.
toxic breach
these scientists don't seem like the smart ones who consider their creations turning on them
tiny carbon
Yeah I am. We have dinosaurs running around the island controlled by people to some extent. Strains are playable, and ergo falls under the assumption that they are being controlled by people, again.
Why create a strain that's ideal for survival when you can create a strain that's ideal for hunting, with a guarantee of being able to control it, as has been proven by the normal dinosaur subjects.
halcyon stirrup
There's a plethora of reasons. Why do you think the saying "a good defense is the best offense" exists.
halcyon stirrup
I'm sorry, but no matter how strong the strains are, our modern day military would make short work of them
tiny carbon
Yeah of course they would. They'd make just as easy work out of herbivore strains as well.
halcyon stirrup
The difference being how much they can take
There's a lot more resilience built into herbivores
Hence why in war, war elephants were popular
stoic creek
hypo cama thats super fast and just tramples everything to death lmaoo
halcyon stirrup
A hypo camara would have a lot easier of a time soaking in frontline damage than a hypo rex
tiny carbon
Alright but a hypo rex would be faster and ultimately do more damage. We're forgetting that hypo rex is also large enough to just crush people as well. Regular bullets won't handle it, you'd need something like rocket or tank rounds to pierce its armor.
halcyon stirrup
Their leg structure, mass, even simply being quadrupedal gives them a huge edge
You could straight up trip a hypo rex
Couldn't do that to a camara
oak pumice
turn carnivores into the perfect killing machines through strains
use these strains in war and HOPE that the carnivores don't start seeing their own side as food
halcyon stirrup
A assure you
tiny carbon
Maybe so, but the time it would take for it to get to the enemy vs. the rex puts the rex at an advantage. If the rex can reach the tank before it deals too much damage, it has a chance to survive. The camara would be slower getting there and take up more damage regardless
tiny carbon
It really doesn't though. There's pros and cons to each but the pros for the carnivore would be much higher.
oak pumice
the hypos need A TON of food, too, where are we gonna get all the food needed to sustain a hypo?
halcyon stirrup
Herbivorous strains have a very practfical use
tiny carbon
You have to think about food too. Imagine having to lug around thousands of pounds of leaves for the cama vs just letting the rex eat off the battlefield. Cam needs a food break XD
I was typing that as you said it griev not trying to say it louder
halcyon stirrup
You've said it yourself, herbivore strains would be much more effective survivors. They'd likely last a lot longer without food than a carnivorous strain
They may just have to eat a lot more total
Just over a more extended amount of time
Besides, a hypo trike would be a much more efficient crowd control asset. It wouldn't have to stop to eat each individual
tiny carbon
More reason to go with carnivore then, since they'd be more efficient to use. Just use it in combat and it sustains itself on the corpses in the battlefield (which would relatively be nothing anyways), but the camara would require a certain type of environment to do the same unless the food was brought along with it, resulting in extra transportation costs. And being out of the battle for an extended period of time vs what the rex would be out would be a huge detriment to using it in the first place. You'd rather be able to use your great weapon more frequently than being able to use it once and have to wait a longer period of time
But it would still need food from somewhere, and it would be nigh impossible for it to get it during a fight, as its hunger is constantly draining like it's hungry. The rex gets to get a bite and go to the next meal, the trike has to wait until after the battle or break during and that's very unideal
halcyon stirrup
Not when your strains would likely be dropping fairly regularly anyways
At least a hypo trike, or some form of sauropod could finish the task at hand
Meanwhile a hypo rex would be mowing down on every individual and ultimately dying, wasting its time
And at least hypo vegetation is a possibility
tiny carbon
But it really couldn't since it would be wanting food the entire time, either ruining its efficiency or possibly leading it to abandon the task at hand to go and feast regardless. Hypos need to eat pretty much consistantly as has been stated several times.
The rex would be doing its job and what was expected out of it by doing that. The herbivores would not last very long in that kind of situation
halcyon stirrup
I really can't see from your point of view.
tiny carbon
Ok let me rexplain it from both sides really fast give me a second to type.
oak pumice
neither would be good for a combat situation just because of the food requirements
halcyon stirrup
One moment you're telling me a herbivore is built for survival, and a strain would only amplify that, the next you're saying they'd starve to death before they'd accomplish anythibg
tiny carbon
In a combat situation, yes
out where they are only trying to survive, not fight a war, they could do fine mowing down trees instead of people
oak pumice
hypo herbis would require exotic food which would have to be transported along with the herbi itself, a hypo carni could eat off the battlefield but there is literally zero guarantee that it wouldn't start viewing soldiers on its side as food and start eating them
tiny carbon
I agree.
halcyon stirrup
Idk, the way the current strains have their hunger drain seems a lot more managable than you're making it out to be, and those are carnivore strains.
tiny carbon
For gameplay reasons, and because they aren't officially released yet.
The hypos are literally supposed to eventually starve to death, that's how they die
Wasn't intended but was more of a side affect
halcyon stirrup
Exotic food? I'm pretty sure they'd just develope vegetation strains that give the amount of nutrients needed
tiny carbon
Maybe but that would probably take time and preparation that would ultimately be wasted when the hypo died.
The carnivore hypo is by far the most efficient strain choice for combat. It's not ideal by any means no, but it's far more efficient than the herbivore in a combat situation. In a pure survival situation out in the wilderness, the herbivore would be much more efficient, yes.
halcyon stirrup
The reward would be that you get a creature that's likely tamable, is capable of surviving long periods of time without food, and is overall more resilient.
tiny carbon
It isn't though. As I've stated, they need to eat pretty much constantly or else they are destined to die of starvation.
For gameplay reasons this is not currently the case.
halcyon stirrup
I'm not convinced by the whole eating constantly thing. But sure, if that was the case than yes
tiny carbon
If I can find the evidence for it somewhere I'll link it but it has been confirmed somewhere.
halcyon stirrup
I'm not going to pretend that I agree with the extent to which they require food, but with your given criteria it makes sense
woeful chasm
It literally is called Hyper-Endocrin strain
acoustic pollen
Hyper strains food in the future is going to be much harder to maintain, right now it's much easier since only devs can access it, the whole point of the strain is they constantly require extreme amounts of food to the point they'll eventually starve themselves out
Find gameplay of when hypers were out to the public, you'll notice how fast their food goes down and how little it goes up when eating nearly anything
steady ravine
I hope all the strains will need something special to survive
Like Neuro requiring to eat large quantity of gray matter to be able to use their ability
dawn crescent
It’s all a dream...
toxic breach
tisso seems like having to shovel huge quantities of something would really hamper it. if it's meant to be all patient and sneaky
sinful wraith
AE objective is to create the perfect organism
I wouldn’t see them going at war with boosted dinos, at least not now
icy onyx
Tbh the problem wouldnt be not wanting to but control
If I understood Khornes interaction with console, they used human consquicness (sorry if I butchered this stupid word) , yet things still got out of hand with strain dinos breaking out
grim snow
I think thronebreaker was meant to be the perfect dino, to 'dethrone' the previous perfect dino which Idk at the moment
dull osprey
magna?
oak pumice
someone in the screenshot channels got this on a server a few days ago
amber hedge
uh
burnt owl
unsettling! i like it. stream of consciousness repetition is nifty.
amber hedge
that is unsettling for sure
real thicket
so, something bad mustve happened if its freaking out telling other people nothing bad happened in the past
regal locust
I'm pretty sure that's a joke.
carmine marsh
about that, that's just something devs like to do before they run around as a dev-only animal
regal locust
If it isn't, then it means nothing as of now. There's no context to the image.
real thicket
Yea i figure, but I can dream
icy onyx
You gotta love devs doing chaos between players
echo gazelle
Yeah, for now they don't mean anything significant. Just Devs trolling. Hypno did this to me on an Official Testing Server. Zapped me in the end of the video.
icy onyx
so creepy
signal yarrow
Normaly they do it if a hypo appears right?
icy onyx
monkaW
rare jewel
Yes @signal yarrow
But it doesnt say that
Does some stuff with neuro connection(there no neuro just they use the powers of it) then other stuff
wicked helm
The lightning strike really finished it 😂😂😂
crisp basalt
peak acorn
Can i post links?
icy onyx
I have a thery with the diamic growth, it will allow us to morph into the hypos.
toxic breach
Though I doubt it, that would be extremely cool
you don't just change instantly to one, it happens over time once the requirements are filled
would mean if you see one of your own pack start growing and getting armour, you kill them fast before they eat you all
clear fable
If they're doing it with regular dinos they could do it with strains I guess
toxic breach
would be nice to see
toxic breach
hmm would a dino becoming tisso shrink over time? as they're meant to be small
brazen plume
Like a raisin, LOL
toxic breach
@icy onyx got your answer.
storm trench
sick lake
So since we aren't going to grow into a hypro or other strain, I was thinking that maybe when you do spawn as one you would spawn in one to the builds on one of the random docks and walk out the building as if you've been trapped in there and you are set free.
That would be fun.
left ocean
I think we might actually grow into a hypo or other strain
I thought that was said by one of the devs?
or at least teased
Could be wrong though
toxic breach
yeah sad that isn't a thing
left ocean
You just slowly start to see your dino mutate into this monster like creature
toxic breach
though i'm wondering if they misunderstood me and thought i meant growing strains from a juvie
sick lake
but imagine you chillin at the docks and then a random hypo pops out of the buildings and starts killing
Would be terrifying lol
woeful chasm
My theory is that the strains would be more like an infection you get. You’ll have an apex and small chance get infected, become the strain and die of starvation
There was a concept from tapwing of a mosquito like bug that would work perfectly
wraith nova
@woeful chasm That mosquito likt thing was a Matriarch in early stage, not a bug. Would suggest to either look at strain plants or think what use DNA helix in character window will have.
woeful chasm
The matriarch was a quetz...
toxic breach
what is a matriach?
opaque crane
human strain thing, she's some sort of mother i believe
not like a real mother, but a monster mother
toxic breach
is it related to the cannibal?
orchid forge
TOMORROW _
clear fable
It probably wont be tomorrow though
orchid forge
lol yes
I think though... it would be smart of them to release the update for summer sale and they have stated they were done the recode
timber notch
they mentioned their estimate, the estimate being 3-4 months, so I'd be optimistic about late july and august
opaque crane
This is not the place for this conversation. They have never stated they are done with the recode.
timber notch
^
opaque crane
The recode is not over
orchid forge
I think it was an Anthomnia video I heard it from like 2 days ago
opaque crane
Please don't spread information without evidence
Don't trust anthomnia dude, jesus
that's like trusting the wiki
orchid forge
:0
opaque crane
the recode is far from over
orchid forge
oh sorry I thought he was the most reliable source since he talks with the people who created the game...
clear fable
Actually we know nothing about how is the recode doing
opaque crane
Anthomnia throws around wild accusations and makes clickbait videos and then eventually something sticks
orchid forge
😦
clear fable
Sad but true
opaque crane
Regardless, the recode isn't finished, but most people believe it'll be done before August is over. We've gotten no word from the devs on an ETA besides that June is "Very optimistic"
orchid forge
I do have my hopes up for the steam summer sale. It makes sense as they would gain new players.
woeful chasm
Regardless this is for lore theory 😛
timber notch
clear fable
You re right
opaque crane
yes, this is the wrong place for this discussion
clear fable
But #401464048610312195 is always a mess 😑
wraith nova
@woeful chasm Matriarch wasn't a Quetz, look it up. I'm pretty sure that Tapwing's works have some decription/caption under them saying something. Also we discussed here Matriarch not being dinosaur but completely new thing that scientists doesn't know how to name it yet few time.
woeful chasm
Yeah I got it confused with Alfie
Was there anything that linked Echidna to the Matriarch?
wraith nova
@opaque crane @clear fable @toxic breach Matriarch isn't related to cannibals, what you are talking about is Echidna
opaque crane
ah youre right.. i got confused, thank you
wraith nova
I don't recall any connection, seem like some kind of four experiment, as in aside from three strains. Seem like not related to strains, hard to tell what it is, as far we just saw some kind of scientific log stating it was created.
There was something else but I can't tell if it was about Matriarch or about Echidna, a little confusing one.
wraith nova
So far just Tapwings fan arts, unless I missed something and there was some official ones, but I don't think
woeful chasm
That’s what I thought but @opaque crane was confusing me lol
frosty abyss
probably u guys alredy saw it
but since im new
--AE Core TX Received--
--End Promotional Protocol--
--SiGnaL InTeRrUpt--
-tHEeNdISnevErTheENDisNeVeRtHeEnDIsNev-
that is on steam hahaha
u know what that is
or a resume of the isle story? i´d love to know
icy onyx
it defo is noted in one of the pinned documents. Cant remember if they got explanation tho
slow delta
In my opinion this is the least canon part of lore that's just there to introduce irl stuff such as updates or in this case promotion of the game.
Another example is the "cranial abnormalities" mentioned for the allosaurus when we got the new model for survival.
boreal river
All the hypos confirmed (that I know of) are carnivores. Perhaps this means that a prey creature might create/have created hypos
snow mango
how would "prey make a hypo more like other carnovores mixeed 😛
silver current
because if you go under the concept you got to eat a hyper to become hyper
that works
slow delta
but in that case there must be a way to genetically engineer hypers because otherwise how did the first one appear?
hardy fog
is it true that apparently the dinosaurs in the isle are criminals serving the rest of their life as a dinosaur
my friend said that
slow delta
the only certain thing is that some of the dinosaurs are controlled by human conciousnesses
so your friend's theory is plausible but not confirmed
toxic breach
that explains why the dinos are so much more aggressive and salty than actual animals would be
slow delta
icy onyx
And stupid
remembers the time when Juvie allo tried fighting entire pack of Utahs instead of withdrawing
icy onyx
hey can someone decode the fllaashing yellow dots in the server screen into morse code please?
in the bottome left
raven tree
jp reference?
icy onyx
yup
grim snow
no lmao
icy onyx
I thought its the 23
sage wedge
Wrong channel and hypos aren’t likely to come out for a long time
Don’t know where you got the info that hypos are coming out today when the recode isn’t even out 
raven tree
^
recode is going to take a very long time, but im sure in the end it will be very much worth it
neat leaf
Hypo should be used by server owners
slow delta
Wrong channel
quartz sundial
@neat leaf this channel is for discussing the isle's lore and making predictions about it, not for suggestions about hyper access, i recommend the #general-feedback channel or #401481402782056460
icy onyx
hey everyone, has this been decoded yet, the binary on the right?
oh and the A,C,G,T letters behind the AE symbol, a,c,g,t is used in decoding dna, could be something cool, no?
echo gazelle
@icy onyx Yeah that was decoded a while back by Buder, it translated to You did not say the magic word x5
The end is never the end
Death is only the beginning
Most of the stuff you're discovering can be found in the Document created by Buder, Hellshade and Sprinkles up in the pinned messages
icy onyx
oh 😦 i keep forgeting, so what about the a,c,g,t?
echo gazelle
that can just be a genetic code
icy onyx
ye, but for what, is what is want to know
i'm not clever enough in order to decode/encode it
echo gazelle
It could just be a random genetic code, nothing special. If I were to guess, it may have to deal with B-443 which is a growth facility that possibly distributes different Dinosaur genetics to forever replicate and create the perfect organism, the base gene could come from the Magna Rex.
icy onyx
cool
but thats the thing though, it ISN'T random genetic code, the pairs aren't correct.
a,c,g,t pair in certain ways
its the same pairs for all organisms, just in different orders
a and t always pair, just like c and g always pair
thanks, i'll have a look
i've requested acces
halcyon hearth
ACGT left behind
icy onyx
what do you mean
halcyon hearth
Æ is a character within itself and is yet a combination of two to make a singular sound.. it still vocally and visually contains to the the "A" you were missing.
so... idk? good try, but look around for a bigger picture. think too deep and you give the dev's your ideas and think on average and you get to call them out
the Greeks and romans were fun writing wise
icy onyx
ok, thanks, i listen to fnaf theories from game theroy so i often look too deep 
halcyon hearth
Ænima ; An album by Tool; How would you pronounce that ? A enema? or Enuma? or Anima? Enema? or Enema ? Ænima ?
waiting
icy onyx
ahh-neh-mah
halcyon hearth
soooo... anima?
icy onyx
yup, i think
halcyon hearth
bummer, it's actually Enema
icy onyx
oh ok UwU
halcyon hearth
yeah that thing you squirt up your ass or vag...
google would help you if you ever used it, i'm just... damn bruh i'm old and i have a better google fo and ability to find facts
ugh
wraith nova
@halcyon hearth you are looking to deep it's not Æ, it's A E = Apollo Engineering- corporation behind everything in game
icy onyx
oh, thanks tycja, he did confuse me a lil bit 😃
icy onyx
I wonder if anyone could provide that screen with higher resolution or whatever, so the gen. code is more readable. No need to give it immidietaly, will be cca 3h till I am home. Feel free to dm it to me/ping me.
icy onyx
anyone else seeing a hand print smudge or just me? just me ok....
slow delta
I tried identifying part of the genetic code with BLAST, nothing came up. A problem is it's not really clear where it starts
Im pretty sure its random or taken from a human gene
@icy onyx i dont see it but maybe if you tweak the brightness and contrast of the image it may be more visible?
icy onyx
i can't i don't have any image editing software
wraith nova
Of you take into account that whole game menu is more or less damaged terminal, any hand smuges won't be suprising
slow delta
Ill try it right now
@icy onyx
i see what you meant, although the "fingers" seem a little too long for it to be a human hand or even a hand at all
icy onyx
canibal then? we don't even know what they look like
shut remnant
uh, yes we do?
acoustic pollen
We know what cannibals look like and kind of what they are but we just don’t know the correct name yet, mutant probably fits them more though
shut remnant
just call the m cannibals, avoids confusion
icy onyx
ok, i need to catch up on the lore, sorry
icy onyx
I dunny why, but I get this feeling that there is reflection of something, instead of a print
icy onyx
@slow delta I wonder, what do we know of Echidna so far?
fresh rivet
I’d say that’s just a dirty screen
raven tree
its very likely that could be a normal hand smudge, like they wiped their fingers down the screen, maybe while trying to grasp something while running away idk
icy onyx
I mean that would be possible. After all, the 'console' or whatever it is is located in site 12.
woeful chasm
We never figured anything else out about the bunker door image right?
analog badge
wait did you guys see a picture of the cannibals?
opaque crane
There was a clip from one of dondi's streams showing the cannibals/tribals
icy onyx
@woeful chasm Did anyone at least find the door in game, or is it on other island/land not included in game?
woeful chasm
Not to my knowledge
opaque crane
I dont think the door is on any current map that we have.
woeful chasm
We’ve only seen the concept art... the creatures on the right are modeled though. Unless I’ve missed something
dapper tree
I think the door might be from primal carnage
tiny carbon
The door is from primal carnage. It's referring to the Primal Carnage extinction trailer in which you meet their rex as it breaks out of containment. The picture of the door that Dondi presented us with is from inside the labratory, saying we never saw the other side of the door. And if you watch the trailer in which that door was featured, then you'll realize that yes, this is correct
This is old news at this point though
woeful chasm
oh ok
icy onyx
@quartz sundial
final perch
@fallen basin think your message in #general-feedback belongs here
fallen basin
It was more of a suggestion for human and dinosaur co-op if they plan on it.
I meant it for a suggestion more than a theory
woeful chasm
This is for lore theory anyways
tepid hollow
God I’m so fucking disappointed
dapper tree
@tiny carbon could you send me a link
woeful chasm
With what @tepid hollow ?
tiny carbon
To what @dapper tree the trailer?
If so, here: https://youtu.be/7lf_Vrs9Dy0
Its known to be the same door via the locking mechanisms which are seen working here, as well as the cables crossing the floor which is consistent with that trailer
mighty abyss
Well it is
dapper tree
Thanks, I couldn't find the right video
icy onyx
@slow delta Have you looked at it with a blue UV light?
slow delta
@icy onyx looked at what
icy onyx
at the loading screen
slow delta
If you mean the smudge on the terminal i have no idea how that would work
Nothing would happen if you flashed a uv light on a computer screen
hasty latch
raven tree
lmao
wanton delta
It looks as though the Door from #transmissions is near identical to the one from a Trailer for Primal Carnage: Genesis.
ancient spindle
This has been known
icy onyx
@slow delta nope but if u us a UV filter on the picture 😄 XD
slow delta
...
icy onyx
...
icy onyx
Anyway, I am right now messing with the image in Zoner photo studio, and I cant seem to find any print of a hand/anything really.
It looks more just like some random particles
digital vale
Exactly. I tried to edit it in few programs, but it seems it's only smudge over the screen.
twin vale
adds random dirt to screen everyone: what does it mean?!
woeful chasm
Haha
Dinosauriac, you guys could hide a “rickroll” in something and watch everyone get upset when they figure it out 😛
twin vale
"you didn't say the magic word" in hexadecimal converted to ascii then to binary then to morse code was enough i think
in all seriousness, it's really cool to see all the theorizing that goes on in here, but you guys get hung up on the weirdest stuff 😛
woeful chasm
I think at this point it’s because we no longer really know what is canon and what isn’t. Lots of stuff that is old and what not, but now there is nothing haha
icy onyx
^^ Its true.
wraith nova
Also we are starving during recode and grab whatever we could decode/connect
toxic breach
we're very starved atm so are clutching at straws
icy onyx
yo ok so i think the
glitch screen when you go near buildings
means something to the past
of the island
and the dinosaurs
kinda like jurassic park?
i guess?
im not sure
but as i was saying the screen is like that because
maybe that when humans come out
you have a chance of being captured
and tehre will be facilities
small outposts
like the buildings
for the mercenaries
and so when you go near the buildings it glitches because of the past with the mercenaries like memories
or something
idk
but nyeah
opaque crane
the screen glitches because of an implant in normally spawned dinosaurs that attempts to push them away from human structures
In the future, nested dinosaurs wont have this implant, meaning there'll be more to being nested than just the fun of it
lofty salmon
Ok now that is cool.
I wonder if one of the things mercenaries would be capable of doing would be capturing and implanting the chips into tranquilized dinos? Sort of like how biologists tag-and-release animals. 🤔
trim palm
I heard from one person (so likely not true) that chipped dinosaurs could be tracked by humans, which i find very interesting! it would really put a premium on being nested in
hasty latch
It would be cool to track out dinosaurs. But it would probably only be used to avoid the big ones, not to go looking for them.
lofty salmon
It could also be used to track packs or herds of dinos, to see when/where you should or shouldn't go someplace.
ancient spindle
Dondi said that in order to track them you’d need a tracker iirc.... so Aliens vibes
icy onyx
Well.
It is possible Magnas could happen like this. Like Magna rex was built for taking out hypers etc.
And Magna Raptor could be built for taking out lets say Neuro or Tisso.
Woops.
final perch
how would you combat a neuro spino?
echo gazelle
So the other 2 could still be Magnas? All-Father was one which was Magna Rex. Throne-Breaker supposedly Hyper Rex and Alphonse Quetz, Nova still scrapped i guess?
I don't even discuss most this stuff because it's old and the lore is everywhere at this point
echo gazelle
Yeah, he mentioned codes and stuff still being sent out like before and people will choose the next replication, but I'm assuming that's been halted unless we missed something
echo gazelle
Magna Tyrannus Solus, something something Solus is the fictional strain that Apollo Engineering creates
he said something like that
icy onyx
Exactly that.
echo gazelle
So since Apollo pulls the sun across the sky, representing the Mega Tyrant of the Sun. There's another god named Helios that pulled the sun across the sky with his chariot, Helios had siblings, Selene and Eos. Helios (Sun) Selene (Moon) and Eos (Dawn) all three having chariots.
Selene pulled the Moon across the sky while Eos opened the gates of heaven and for me that could mean gateway?
grim snow
Solus made be made to combat Hyperendocrins when they broke out
slow delta
what if the strains weren't build for military purposes but for the exact opposite
hypers with their increased growth rate, when applied to plants or farm animals could be a far more efficient food source for humans
tissoplastic could be used for harvesting stem cells or skin if their "abilities" are still the same
neurotenic for studying the brain and applying that technology for medical science?
like we assume these are some crazy scientists who are building bio weapons or just do crazy forced evolution experiments just because they can, but what if their purposes are more noble
"the road to hell is paved with good intentions", mainly doing unethical practices for a very ethical cause
split aspen
hmmm but why on dinosaurs?^
woeful chasm
And why bother with consciousness transfers?
wraith nova
Also forced evolution, doesn't sound like noble thing
steep garden
what if the only reason the army has not gotten evolevd to wipe out the dinos is that everytime they try they cant win cause of attriton for example they kill a rex but thier will always be another rex and by the time they get back up thier is more grown ups so the army just send raiding partys to try to find a way to kill them and the "tribes" are just workers who could not get off the island in time
icy onyx
sounds plausible!
coarse nimbus
i like that theorie
woeful chasm
Wouldn’t that mean the island is overrun and out of control?
When the replicator seems to be in total control at the moment
cinder atlas
Don't troll here.
grand sigil
Sorry.
steep garden
Well yea but not many pepole will trust a rumor saying that maybe a place on the isle is safe (im talking from the tribesmen pov) and even if it was alot of them will not risk it:Adding on: is that well its very limited if it take ages for a carno running to travel across how will humans dealing with the sick/wounded or having to stop to make more tools gonna take
woeful chasm
?
wraith nova
I have odd feeling people just completely ignore who tribals are and go with odd image that placeholder model was what they are.
I wouldn't theorize now about humans on island, because we don't know a thing beside fact that interaction with terminal. Also things might change after recode.
So far it's more believable that island got either fully abandoned by scientists or just partialy. Partialy comes from different sources that were decoded like that part where someone asks if there's anyone reading that message. Also structures seem a little bit overgrown at places,mostly bunkers with satelite dishes.
That's probably all we know. Oh right we kinda know about tribals too, they were workers/scientists infected by Echidna. Wouldn't add mercenaries to this at this point to be honest.
compact pier
999999 days since last login, how long has this place been abandoned? I would assume 999999 is the highest the terminal will count to, which if you divide 999999 days / 365 days (1 year) you get just under 2,740 years. And that’s just all we can calculate based off the terminal’s count but it’s likely been longer...
edgy pike
I'm pretty sure it's just meant to be the console spazzing out
compact pier
Or else we’d be way in the future
Unless the original events took place way in the past but it’d be hard to believe we had the technology then
icy onyx
Or you know, Its the console has been like hacked etc. And a lot of the information could be inaccurate. 🤔
echo gazelle
Probably referring to when Khorne logged in and the Console Stream occurred. Just dinosauriac teasing us. Unless those texts were there since before the login happened.
coral rock
i think this whole thing is like isla sorna or like a simulation or some sort of test
coral nacelle
twin vale
fault detected
woeful chasm
Ya know glitches can make all sorts of number happen 😛
opaque crane
Yknow what that "999999" thing reminds me of? When that radio in subnautica glitches out and repeats the number 9 over and over cause it broke. So i think its... broken.
barren kelp
honestly thought of the portal 2 intro when i saw it, but can never be sure if it's due to technical issues or actual time passing
echo gazelle
Yeah the spam of 9s could signify a system failure. Probably due to the Hypers escaping containment after the Magnas replication and releasing into Atrium C where the Hypers were kept. This caused Protocol Hades to initiate, shutting down all systems, perhaps rebooting the island's mainframe, since the first login could've caused a breach and allowed the transmissions and all to occur, having it considered a trespass. The Island could be in lockdown and according to the morse codes, binarys, hexidecimals etc etc a system reboot is required which is what I think the recode stands for and the blue AE screens. A whole new island is emerging and the Recovery Operation is in Progress. But idk, I could be wrong.
median yew
All the humans disappeared at the port. Looks like something massive broke in/out and ate em all.
And the massive paddock
Could have held a hypo.
dull osprey
do you mean the big docks on v3?
shrewd tundra
the docks on V3 doesn't look big enough to hold a hypo
but something did break in or out of the docks that much is noticed able
trim palm
the thing about docks that gets me is the fenced in area of tires. Either docks held a few people for a very, very long time or it was once a rather bustling hub of human activity
honestly if docks held any dinosaur, part of me wants to say magna 🤷 its not particularly huge
trim palm
but it really looks like, to me, a fortified compound to keep dinos out and humans in. If it were a paddock, I would think there would still be remnants of water troughs / food troughs
To keep something that big caged, I would assume it was for scientific reasons? perhaps the Mercs have bounties? I mean... why else hire a mercenary
shrewd tundra
Most likely it where dino where held for little bit beforw transport
Or for quick check up
shrewd kite
I don’t seem to understand the lore of this game too well, but from what it seems like, a Rogue AI called the Replicator is creating humans and Mesozoic animals on an island for some sort of experiment?
carmine marsh
it goes a lot deeper than that, there's been hidden messages in the loading screens and transmissions from the Olympus Transmitter twitter that point to all the animals on the island having human minds trapped in inside them, being forced to live over and over again to repay apollo for something currently unknown.
mystic violet
wraith nova
@mystic violet No need to dm anyone, check pinned messages
crimson belfry
Dang im just shooketh of all these theories when i cant even figure out what 2 times 4 is
wooden pollen
@crimson belfry No memes allowed here
crimson belfry
Sorry! (;´д｀)
broken grotto
ember moon
I always wonder that when people say that the giant paddock that could hold a “Hypo” but what if it is something bigger.🧐🧐
Like everything that is a paddock has relate to a hypo and it broke in and ate all Dino’s around
icy onyx
What if it's just a bigger normal dino
ember moon
Exactly it is like everyone thinks it is a guaranteed hypo
trim palm
if something broke out of there, why wouldnt the walls and gates actually be crushed open 😳
i dont think its a hypo at all. maybe instead of being an out-point, its where AE dinos get in
ember moon
Exactly
woeful chasm
Docks seems like it was under construction still. Missing railroad rails, etc. hard to believe a hypo was contained there and escaped
rancid oxide
Twins-v3 is where the Native Americans first settled
icy onyx
LOL
final perch
even then, i dont think thats canon
trim palm
considering tribals arent human, i would hope so!
rustic knoll
@north epoch Read a channel's description before posting.
north epoch
timber trellis
Escaped humans? So they didnt transfer concioisness
tender trench
hm
trim palm
i wouldnt say that, there are plenty of humans on the planet and AE has its own machinations here. Both could have occurred, there's no reason to assume only one can happen
echo gazelle
Me wondering if we've gotten every clue in the Main Menu, or if there's anything we missed: 
oak pumice
i've been picturing it as the neural link from James Cameron's Avatar this whole time
as in the consciousness never actually leaves the original body, it's just...projected into another body through the neural link
maybe the tribals are humans who've gone through a few dinosaur lives and they've gone feral as a result of that, and escaped
that'd explain why all the spawned in dinosaurs have microchips implanted in their heads; that chip is the neural link
woeful chasm
Yes but supposedly if you nest in, you have no chip yet still controlled the same
oak pumice
mercs scoping out dinosaur nests to implant chips in the hatchlings' heads, maybe?
toxic breach
could be an active thing to do as mercs in game. find unregistered dinos and chip them
coarse nimbus
imagine trying to chip baby rexes that would be scary
upbeat urchin
Idk if this counts as a theorize but I found something cool! When u log into the isle there’s like these pictures but they go to fast so I recorded it on my phone slowed down and I took a pic of this (ignore my play button it’s just a pic)
Idk what it is but it looks cool
upbeat urchin
Yeah right? It dosent look like it has eyes or anything and the other one has these spikes on his arms might be a giga?
The first one looks like a rex
opaque crane
Facial structure points to giga. So we've got neuro rex on the left, something giga on the right
upbeat urchin
Maybe it’s a dilo?
opaque crane
The left one is definitely a rex. I've seen the model for the neuro rex
The right also doesnt have eyes, that i can see. But it's got quite a few spikes. Seems to have a veiny appearance but it's hard to see
upbeat urchin
Idk what this one is it’s definitely not a normal Dino and it looks like there’s a skull in the middle by the pinky finger
oak pumice
nocturne cosmos
Uhh
final perch
in the DA its hyper rex, (i assume) tisso rex, and then neuro rex
nocturne cosmos
It goes hypo tisso nuero
nocturne cosmos
Well it was old concept art soo
So the actual stuff wasn’t actually shown I don’t believe
final perch
well it's ingame, so we can kind of assume its real
tiny carbon
Don't forget Type-M
timber trellis
Wasn't that canceled
echo gazelle
None of the strains were cancelled, just being reworked
opaque crane
Magna definitely wasnt cancelled
echo gazelle
So it's been a while since any of the Main Menu stuff was talked about. But I have been trying to decode this light and seem to not get anything. I'm going to give it a few goes but can't guarantee anything. After the first Login, the Magna was replicated, Alphonse and Throne-Breaker were deleted. My guess is this light could emit some form of clearance code that has been talked about before. Since someone logged in, maybe this is the new way of accessing the terminal or console? But I thought others should try it out and give it a go if you know how to decode light morse.
tiny carbon
Keep in mind that the supposed player login that had nothing to do with a console interaction happened before that login button was removed. Now that it's gone there may be no possible way to login just yet.
echo gazelle
Yeah I am aware, the whole thing was on a stream, but what I'm saying is maybe there's still more clues. We have just ignored a lot of the Main Menu stuff. Like I recently found an aesthetic light morse that said "Scanning for Asset Location" "Mesozoic Triassic Jurassic Cretaceous Pachycephalosaurus Suchomimus Stegosaurus Spinosaurus". This one in particular is just seen as a red light flashing, but maybe it actually says something
slow delta
I think its the irl lore sauce where isle updates becoke "lore"
Same with the allo remodel with the cranial abnormalities
Those pieces are pointless in the lore imo
grim snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAF_CW3xM_8 It may be a joke video but theres some great lore stuff from primal carnage and the isle
slow delta
yup
wooden lily
yeah, unfortunately these images are not special nor reveal any future secrets
they're just the old concept arts for tisso and nuero rex, which are probably not going to be used in the official game
technically, they're just there to fill the flashing sequence in the loading screen
frigid inlet
Perhaps they fit in the lore as failed specimens, but filler seems about right.
median yew
Can someone translate the 0's and 1's you see when the game is loading?
On the green screen?
frigid inlet
It is in the pinned messages I believe
flint mist
icy onyx
It does translate to text. Again, see pins : )
(There's also some hidden words in the ACTG text : )
grim snow
Ya'll know when the game is loading in? And it suddenly hangs for a few seconds before the menu screen gets on? Well my game hung at a perfect shot of this.. door sorta thing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539897492230373426/599020253535797249/weird_isle_thing.PNG
slow delta
door and a bridge like construct on the left top, probably the primal carnage rex facility
echo gazelle
I always thought that was some form of shipment container like what we see around the Dockyard, but it can also be a door, maybe some kind of Specimen Holding. Anyway here's a slow-motion Gif of the Startup Images.
https://gfycat.com/illustriousmellowbluet-slow-motion-dinosaurs-the-isle-horror
oak pumice
"door and a bridge like construct on the left top"
the other side of one of the doors on the bridge/pipelines on v3? o:
woeful chasm
That door is from Primal Carnage
final perch
primal carnage:genesis trailer to be specific
steady carbon
It immediately froze on an image of what the creature inside is, and it looks like the Neuro Spino. @echo gazelle (Considering that's the only Neuro made at the moment)
icy onyx
oh my fucking god
i just
this is fascinating
so youknow this
at the top of the tower
theres this
that camera, snaps a few times every like 20 seconds
and that door, i just heard it banging
like someone was inside
and i believe
that the terminal
in the main menu
has to do something with one of those scenes in the menu
where the dinos are like watched through the cameras yknow
and that terminal
makes me beielve that when human update comes out,
there will be terminals that activate cameras such as this
and you will be able to uncover
many unknown things
and now its moving
it's looking at me and my other pack members
vapid phoenix
I am so intrigued by all this, it a clear sign that humans are srill operating the systems, but the isle seems so deserted.. so where?
icy onyx
was i the first to notice this?
coarse nimbus
it's kinda old anthomnia found that a moth ago but the noise is new
haughty ridge
Lol anthomnia
You realize people have seen these things in the map long before him
weak hazel
@icy onyx not the first those sounds and camera movement bin there for a long while now
vapid phoenix
Most cameras take photos, it's interesting
trim palm
are you sure its banging and not the creaking of the tower?
slow delta
its just the tower
jovial eagle
i think the whole island is a human test facility
the dinos have been bred and are experiments of the humans
and all the cameras around are just there to survey
cold saffron
I agree
But maybe expiraments were screwed up and certain facilities were raided and the humans and scientists in there, killed. Maybe the buildings do not connect in any way but technology. And once one facility is destroyed, the other facilities are let known but since the buildings do not connect, they cannot be raided.
snow flume
weak hazel
to bad there are a lot off repeats.....
tiny carbon
As we've said before, we're pretty much chasing our tails until something new comes from the transmitter, or they put a whole lot of new lore sauce in the recode. Someone supposedly learned how to log in, but then the log in button was removed so there's no way for us to log in as far as we're aware. Hellshade and others have pretty much CIA'd all the morse and hidden words scattered around the menus and the UI, so unless something gets kicked our way we're just chewing on the same bones here.
oak pumice
but did anybody try "please" before they removed the login buton
because JP
and "the magic word"
tiny carbon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
If the person who managed to log in came forward and explained the process that would be the next best thing from being given info straight from a dev
if someone managed to really log in and the devs weren't just leading us on that is
echo gazelle
I knew most things were already discussed and discovered but I didn't think it all was. I always thought there were still things we're missing or overlooked and just forgot about it. But I guess it's really just a waiting game from now on. I was consumed by the idea that we the community pushed things in a certain direction rather than having to wait it out without choice. Not that it's a bad thing, I would guess at this point we've caught up with lore and are confident with what we've got but most times when people ask me what the lore actually is, im left with no response other than explaining what we've got so far. But hey salute to what's to come because we got the first punch out of the way. If I recall the other 2 creatures are much worst. The Magna and Hypers are only the beginning.
woeful chasm
Well some of it is no longer canon either, so it’s hard to explain
azure quartz
are there a site where i can read one or more of the isle theories?
final perch
@azure quartz pretty sure this is pinned but heres the link https://taterfilore.wixsite.com/theisleslore/lore-summary
we haven't gotten anything new in a while
azure quartz
thx you 😃
vapid phoenix
Woah
coarse nimbus
now were on the real shit
rustic knoll
@icy onyx This channel is for the discussion of the Isle's lore. Please head to either #401464048610312195 or #401470471750811669 if you wish you have general chatter.
@coarse hare I appreciate the gesture but in the future please contact moderators to deal with people instead of taking it into your own hands. 👍
coarse hare
Oky ^^'
west elbow
not sure if this goes here or in discussion but has the idea of the isle and primal carnage being connected been scrapped?
wooden pollen
opaque crane
I dont think it's been scrapped but I don't remember any new evidence supporting the connection, so it's just going off of old stuff still. It was never like, deconfirmed or anything
digital vale
It's not 100% confirmed, but when you look into the credits of Isle, you can see Primal Carnage mentioned. Also, there was sometimes mentioned Phoenix Corp. in the lore, which is corporation from PC.
icy onyx
Maybe it's a nod to the game for Inspiration and possible help making this game.
normal remnant
We are all going to be ancient by the time the next update comes out
midnight zinc
😦
twin vale
interesting "theory."
sleek temple
once the recode is done ill def return to doing more of this since im getting outdated stuff mixed up
woeful chasm
I’m assuming dinosauriac is responding to us being ancient when the update comes out...
mighty abyss
he's responding to all of the theories
trim palm
yanno, whenever i chime in on people solving one of my mysteries, its either when theyre very off base or actually onto something
so 👀
jovial eagle
What if, this island is one big nazi project, the nazis developing dino weapons for war but when the war ended all the stuff on the island got shutdown and the nazis and now some other country wants to seize all the research and take it over for themselves thus they're sending these merceneries
and these tribals could be prisoners of war released on the island to be devoured by dinos
opaque crane
I feel like the technology on the island is a bit too advanced to have been started in the early 1940s
opaque crane
"The Manchester Baby was the world's first stored-program computer. It was built at the Victoria University of Manchester by Frederic C. Williams, Tom Kilburn and Geoff Tootill, and ran its first program on 21 June 1948. It was designed as a testbed for the Williams tube, the first random-access digital storage device. Although the computer was considered "small and primitive" by the standards of its time, it was the first working machine to contain all of the elements essential to a modern electronic computer..." considering this information I doubt they'd be able to achieve the computers seen in the isle, which look kinda ancient by comparison to our technology
jovial eagle
CCTV was invented in 1942 by germany
"1942: Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) is first used in Germany. German scientists developed the technology so that they could monitor the launch of V2 rockets."
opaque crane
So while cameras might have existed, which isn't a surprise, the technology had technically existed for a while and only needed to be upgraded and modified to actually record things properly, computers were too late in the 1900s to be have been available for World War 2, especially what the scientists who were working on the island had
twin vale
did i stumble in the Dino D-Day discord or something?
jovial eagle
Yes :3
@opaque crane idk, the nazis were technologically far superior over any country at that time
toxic breach
Still reckon the mercs might be brought in to protect the tag the dinos, rather than just kill them all.
jovial eagle
all these dinosaurs seem to be monitored constantly
even the nests are monitored
so i think it's research that the mercs are after
opaque crane
That's implying that the first computer had been invented at least a decade before it actually was, maybe more, in this universe, which means that the world would likely have been vastly changed. It feels, at the earliest, 70s-90s when the scientists first started working on these creatures.
I will agree with the research thing, the amount of information collected on each character screen seems similar to monitoring an endangered species in the wild, tagging them, keeping an eye on the age range and reproduction of the dinosaurs. So yeah, research.
if the world had been able to create dinosaurs and genetically fuck them up them properly in the 40s, then clearly they would be infinitely more advanced by the point we're at now
jovial eagle
the world wasn't able to
the nazis
and that's why these mercs want to seize it
or it could be a danish company
ae is a letter in danish
opaque crane
ae stands for apollo engineering so danish is a no
jovial eagle
okay
sweet zephyr
Just to post here, if Hope has an atrium then now we at least know where the hypo quetz escaped from.
for Hope's the first map to have aquatics, and Deino was just stated to come from Atrium B as the first aquatic.
toxic breach
Atrium B? Any idea what it could be?