isle-lore-theories

[placid wren]

my apologies

[sonic vale]

huh

why is that such a touchy subject

[torn monolith]

only dudes in their 30s allowed to be played as

[sonic vale]

becoming an old man would be kinda funny

[civic pollen]

[sonic vale]

very informative

[torn monolith]

i do wanna have cool costumes as a human tho, i want a cowboy hat

[civic pollen]

this conversation devolves into human nesting. so lets not and say we didnt.

[sonic vale]

what

[civic pollen]

i can't understand this for you. please just drop it.

[torn monolith]

i remember it
i am trying so hard to not think about it

bruh i cannot type

can we talk about caves again?
how about the mutant humans use those caves and will have their stuff in them?

[placid wren]

wonder why the underwater base is still there since its not a new base jus ta 1to1 copy of the northern jungle one

[torn monolith]

like the mutant humans will be playable, right? do i remember correctly?

[sonic vale]

should be ya

[torn monolith]

maybe meant to be a sunken base? maybe humans will be able to dive with right gear?

[placid wren]

imagine u spawn in as a neutral human and u can either go a more primal way and slowly become the mutant human or go more technical way and use vehicles and tools

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 are planned to be playable

[placid wren]

its under the ocean floor so idk

[torn monolith]

sick, then i hope some caves or structures will have stuff dedicated to them or hints to their existence in the future

[sonic vale]

them being cave dwellers would be cool

[lethal moat]

Would be sick

I want to have a gen 1 cult in the volcano cave

[placid wren]

or everyone would start out as a normal human and u would have the option to branch off

[torn monolith]

the volcano cult!

[lethal moat]

Ehh, I think gen 1 and gen 2 start off as their own separate things

[placid wren]

the huge swamps cave cult!

[torn monolith]

[sonic vale]

i mean probably. i doubt you just pick it in the select screen

though i wouldent necessarily mind that, as long as they aren’t as strong as actual dino strains.

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t mind gen 1’s whole thing being expanding their benefits from the replicator

[torn monolith]

replicator is in the dome and it is the thing we need to fix, i am calling it now

[lethal moat]

I don’t think so

[sonic vale]

we don’t know if the replicator is even on gateway iirc

[torn monolith]

just my theory

[sonic vale]

tartar sauce is where it is… my guess. but idk what tartarus even is

is it like an actual physical place or what

[torn monolith]

i dont think anyone knows

[sonic vale]

i would really like any lore info at all please dondi

[torn monolith]

what if its like actually a place in the map and humans need to find the hidden entrance for it, maybe the way to get is split and located in different human bases on the map by random so humans would need to actually move around and find the things needed? but going in there is dangerous so they need to survive and gather gear along the way?

[sonic vale]

that would be cool and also tie into strains

[torn monolith]

i doubt they would have it on the map right now or in the upcoming map even, seems like something they would add later

[sonic vale]

idr why but a while ago i had an idea that strain research was done at tartarus

there was also that text that says being displaced or whatever to tartarus was a punishment

meaning i think you probably were involved in strain research in some way, either as a strain being tested or some other way

[torn monolith]

it would make sense if a punishment is being placed into highly dangerous environment where even more dangerous research is going on

[lethal moat]

We likely won’t see a physical manifestation of the replicator in game last week heard

[torn monolith]

oh i see nvm then on that

[lethal moat]

You remember the failed neuro experiments tapwing made?

[sonic vale]

ah really it’s like the biggest part of the lore

[torn monolith]

i do

[sonic vale]

ya this is what i was thinking. either u become a strain or they have strains hunt you lol

if u look at redacted documents

[lethal moat]

You are alive to suffer so that we may learn, and then you’ll do it again

[sonic vale]

so i mean, maybe that’s how u become a strain. u need to find redacted info. u get some fun lore then boom. strain

[lethal moat]

Don’t break your contract friendos, lineage displacement sounds rather unpleasant

[torn monolith]

[formal mural]

huh

[low scarab]

reminds me of sweetfoxwings

[torn monolith]

<@&933486433342222376>

[young sphinx]

Probably is

[dusk pier]

@weak pine ask lore questions here also it makes dinos it entoombs them it makes clones it makes abominations and such

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOOOO!!!

[acoustic osprey]

unironically someone else brought this up two days ago

so i'll send it again,
so here is the full Don quote

Don — 10/04/2024 12:35
The physical part of what you would expect to be the Replicator has a decided physical form, yes. It probably wouldn't be seen. But it's in notes. It has a concept that's been made.
It has no place in the game islands.

[snow jasper]

the humble spectator mode

[acoustic osprey]

hm?

[snow jasper]

the files

eyes

haha

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
I don't think it'll ever be put into the game, that actual art
if that is what you mean

[snow jasper]

hmmm

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
as Don said this

that if they do another Isle game
he feels like they have to add it
IF

[snow jasper]

i cant imagine it not being in the game

the replicator feels too central

[acoustic osprey]

well
the replicator is full of subsystems

i think we'll definitely see its subsystems (like TOMB)

[quartz sundial]

The Mainland

[acoustic osprey]

but its main body?
I don't mind not seeing it

and then having a proper storied game would be better to see it

[snow jasper]

i pictured the replicator being like an entire factory, similar to the areas in HZD that produce machines

cauldrons

[quartz sundial]

a SP story isle spinoff would make me very happy

still sad i never got PC: genesis

[snow jasper]

one can only hope

[acoustic osprey]

honestly
knowing that it ain't here

I imagine it as a whole international 'organism' across AE (and maybe more...)-controlled islands/locations (whether controlled now or once controlled in the past that had enough presence to include the replicator)

[quartz sundial]

every time i hear more about isle lore i feel like i know less

i always thought the replicator was just a machine somewhere lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/impractical-jokers-sal-sal-vulcano-tanka-jahari-tonka-jahari-gif-4713221232051601966

[snow jasper]

It could be, we dont know

I‘d rather know nothing until there is something to show for it

[quartz sundial]

based

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[quartz sundial]

im always hesitant to get into isle lore that isn't firmly established in game, for fear it could be reworked or retconned

[acoustic osprey]

its why i am not a fan of getting soft lore comments by Don

[snow jasper]

precisely

[acoustic osprey]

as nice as it is and convenient

would you rather read the book, or the spoiler about its finale and high points on some sort of blog?

[snow jasper]

dripfed lore must continue until morale improves

[acoustic osprey]

i want all of us to read that very long, isled and stringy book, piece by piece
Trying to connect dots and clues and shrink the gaps of knowledge by well defined knowledge

its a lot of work
but something Don has slowly been working and redoing to get 'right' (for himself especially) for more then 10 years now

and so hopefully we find ourselves in the future doing this
maybe instead of needing to play the game for the sake of playing, we can truly play the game (long term) in the sake of learning about this pretty interesting and unique world that Don has made

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bradpitt-gif-17486919993743766170

[snow jasper]

Donditales: The Isle

[quartz sundial]

the lore must flow

[acoustic osprey]

but maybe its best it doesn't yet

i don't know

what is better

the drip-fed production of "I've done something, so lets get it out then work on the next"
or
the get it once its all ready production, and experience it quite literally all in one

[snow jasper]

all in one

well actually

you can drip feed it, but through in-game mediums

[acoustic osprey]

both have their own effects, honestly

[snow jasper]

like the glance sheets, environmental story telling, and hopefully more with humans

[acoustic osprey]

how i see it
drip fed feels modern and new

its a style of content sucking that we've properly invented over the last 50 or so years
which can feel a bit too sucky for the creators from the audience
For me, it can be something that is mass-produced and made to be properly contentified. Rather then just art as art.

But on the other hand
its speedy and quicker delivery times that 'keep people well fat' (happy) with content

but is this a bad thing?
Are we not animals of dopamine? So why should it change anything on how we feel about lore

if anything
almost potentially feeling like a deliberate 'well thats not how art is done!' sort of conservatism

Art can be done in any way you like
Being more rapidly produced, piece by piece, or all in one

[snow jasper]

but one thing dondi has made me lose hope on, back when he said humans wont have much more to them other than running around with guns vehicles and bases (it was something like that) i think it was a missed opportunity to have lore expressed by using humans as the missing piece as humans could understand writing, text without need of a mutation and the only hurdle being other humans and a player driven ecosystem.

Things like think-aloud methods, computers, terminals, docuements and those keycards that give access to certain areas

gosh that is poorly written but im on my phone

[acoustic osprey]

its understandable lol

[snow jasper]

yes

[tranquil flume]

It would be interesting if tasks could somehow be assigned for the human players, then like the lore bits could be explore like an open map exploration type of thing

[acoustic osprey]

i, too, also find it sad and a bit of a disappointment :/
But i think a lot of these systems would be a lot better on a storymode/singleplayer game or mode

I love The Isle
but damn do i kinda really dislike the idea of multiplayer (outside of co-op), especially in this context for lore and story

[tranquil flume]

Yeaaah

[snow jasper]

i think im making too many links to hzd and may be missing the mark for what dondi would like to do, but the isle seems like a fun way for it to be done on for a multiplayer game

[snow jasper]

the spinosaurus blocking the entrance to the lab:

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
from what we've seen

its only just a survive to survive sort of thing
no quests or proper missions

Which is cool and all
but how do you keep player retention or continuation?

[snow jasper]

i think humans will attract the kind of players from that one game

i forgot its name, the one where players are a rare occurrence and they may or may not kill you

with vc

[quartz sundial]

i do wish humans had more to do

we'll have to see how it goes

do we know if they can like, build or anything? or if tribals can?

[snow jasper]

repair bases maybe

but not much from that

there is still plenty of time for them to change so im not too worried either

dinosaurs have their gameplay loop, humans will get a purpose too, hopefully

[quartz sundial]

ill never forget how excited i was when Hope was newer and I found some papers in a human building lol

i tried reading them, only to see it was just Lorem Ipsum over and over

[tepid sinew]

WELP!!!!

[quartz sundial]

truth nuke

[tranquil flume]

Nooooo haha

[lethal moat]

DayZ?

[quartz sundial]

Could it be no man’s sky? I remember them saying it would be rare to find other ppl on the vast open space

[snow jasper]

thats the one i think

[quartz sundial]

😔

[snow jasper]

lol

[last onyx]

Tf is the overseer or whatever?

[acoustic osprey]

The Matriarch or Neurotenic Mastermind/Echdina?

[last onyx]

Both ig

[acoustic osprey]

sure thing!
I'll start with Echidna / Neurotenic Master / Mother of the Cannibals

Echidna is a humanoid Neurotenic strain, most likely Gen 1 ... potentially a Gen2 strain but... likely not.
In essence, she is a neurotenic 'humanoid'.

Nonetheless!
She is able to perfectly replicate the voice of a human (especially the ones she's killed) and transmit it out via short-range transmissions to lure in unsuspecting humans, as if a siren.
She was also known to have a relationship with The Eyeless/Cannibals in Legacy (hence one of her epithets of "Mother of the Cannibals")
To what degree? We don't know ... could be something where Echidna turns Gen1s into Eyeless, potentially some sort of bodyguard or elite class she can make. Or potentially as a punishment... we don't really know

She was also given the description of "Carrier" by Dondi a few years back
which may link to NHJs (The neurotenic-related zombie lore ... i.e. the zombie event from last year and the year prior)
That being, potentially, a 'redo' of the "Neuro-Goo" topic brought up in legacy lore once ||the term Neuro Goo being a fan-term|| ... and so Echidna potentially being 'the carrier' of the NHJ 'Virus' and spreads it

...

but The Matriarch?

The Matriarch is an entirely seperate thing from the strains (Type-H / N / T)
However, has some connections to the research of Tissoplastics (type-Ts) because they share the similar research to growth of limbs / change of the body

however, specifically in legacy lore
The Matriarch was a completely adaptable organism ('not correct to call it a dinosaur') that is made within Tartarus
Where, once another profile (EIP) is complete, the Matriarch will redistribute within observable areas of Tartarus for study

That section is a bit interesting and some of us had a really unique chat about this idea a few weeks back
About the idea of EIPs 'being complete'
But it seems that AE needed profiles to be completed to properly allow created 'organisms' to properly function?
Again, Legacy lore. But I do wonder if this would ever come back as an idea.

[last onyx]

Ty gng

[potent hollow]

why do the prehistoric life blink wideways?

[torn monolith]

"Sideways blinking is caused by a "nictitating membrane," a translucent third eyelid found in birds, reptiles, fish, and some mammals that moves horizontally or diagonally across the eye. This membrane protects the eye, keeps it moist, and clears debris while maintaining vision, acting like built-in goggles for hunting or flying."

[potent hollow]

well then why don't we have an ordinary blink as well. like we blink sideways and then normally?

[torn monolith]

We have eyelashes and tear canals instead to keep eyes clean and moist
We simply evolved differently

[snow jasper]

we still have our third eyelid technically, its the red things you see in the corner of our eye

no need for it now, just like tails

[hexed forge]

Isaac became LoreGPT

[tribal bobcat]

Holy Guacamole

[hexed forge]

Evil Guacamole!

[slow idol]

Echidna like knuckles

[acoustic osprey]

No!!

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-look-robot-robot-stare-gif-7330364892007281199

[unborn knot]

Isnt the matriarch the physical embodiment of the replicator?

[frozen totem]

Isaac is turning into a clanker, guys

[tranquil flume]

https://tenor.com/view/we're-independent-thinkers-roger-roger-b1-battle-droid-star-wars-separatists-gif-63547133892915330

[acoustic osprey]

no

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-droid-compute-think-star-wars-gif-17180363

[frozen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/clanker-kylo-ren-star-wars-star-wars-meme-roger-roger-gif-5903216794408442685

isaac has fallen

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[stoic hamlet]

mmmm lore

I really need lore drops or at least a bit of content on humans in the steam trailer :/

[unborn knot]

Where did I hear that from 😭

EIP is a human mind right??

[acoustic osprey]

either someone very silly or...

dondi whispered in your ear to distract you from the truth

in all seriousness though...

Matriarch hasn't ever really been 'the replicator'
If there was a time, then it would've been very short lasted

If anything (from the original message i sent)
The Matriarch may have been an EIP-controlled thing

User Inquiry: The Matriarch Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an EIP. I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus. Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study. It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name.

Full user inquiry as well

[nimble fractal]

😍

What is this blessing my eyes

[tribal bobcat]

[acoustic osprey]

an old animation i KNEW i've seen before
and was able to find recently

(I love finding the most rarest and abstract isle lore-related stuff sometimes)

[frozen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/ksganti-jumpscare-gif-18209355

[feral mortar]

Do you remember the neuro spino animations that were shown off?

[long onyx]

Is there even like a whole lore behind the screen

I feel like theyre just kinda making it up as we go

[civic pollen]

i can guarantee they aren't.
#isle-lore-theories message

[civic pollen]

there is a whole lore document in the pinned comments.

[acoustic osprey]

there is probably some of those long lost deleted clips somewhere in a MeatyLock video

maybe even Anthomnia

[feral mortar]

its an anthomnia video

found it last night

[acoustic osprey]

nice

i wish Don didn't kill his clips
I remember a bunch of eyeless clips of him actually in-game

not just a test animation

oh well

i think there is one or two clips still in a MeatyLock video
but not the clips i want

[feral mortar]

anth has a bunch

[acoustic osprey]

somewhere

too bad no one really took the time to download the majority of these clips

it still surprises me that MeatyLock still has the CC role
so i wonder if i should contact him if he has any old lore videos

but
that would be stuff from basically 10-8 years ago
So I wonder...

[feral mortar]

my theory is legacy is canon to the lore, but takes place further back in the time line

my perception of it is basically every map, every model, and every variation of the game is a different stage of progression st AE

[gaunt dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1231808936991133698/407A5643-19E4-44D1-B6D7-7E907396BF88.gif

[storm latch]

You guys think they’re gonna abandon tribals or nah?

[unborn knot]

Nah, they have animations (from what i've heard)

[acoustic osprey]

depends on what you define tribals as

[unborn knot]

Isle GPT, are tribals and gen 1's/eyeless essentially the same but different names from gateway until evrima?

[acoustic osprey]

certainly!

look, i wouldn't even do ' / ' for gen1s and eyeless
as they appear, to our knowledge (alongside confirmation from legacy), as two seperate things
but tribals is a bit of a unique thing

For me, I don't mind utilising the term 'tribal' synonymously with Gen1s
As, the legacy (the continuation of roughly 10 years or so) of 'tribals' has almost always been the big humanoid monsteroid fellas
... where there had only been a short period of time, a little grace point, where 'normal' human tribals were ever a thought

but i know a lot of people here do not like using the term Tribal, as it does lead to more standard human ideas and themes that isn't going to be the true case with Gen1s

with the eyeless though...
assume we know nothing besides being not true Gen1s
(except for the obvious: are 'blind' / eyeless)

[unborn knot]

Thanks Chat ✌️ So does that mean gen1 since eyeless arnt true gen1's are they cannon or are they a seperate "strain" of gen1?

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

Some theories include Eyeless being a Neurotenic Gen1
potentially Eyeless being a Gen1 later version (coming from the Dondi Gen1.5 quote)
||as we know Gen1s are not just 'one thing', not a moniker for one thing, and so there will be seperate versions of Gen1s. Like we've seen of their concept art||
They could also be specifically mutated "bodyguards" of Echidna

probably some more theories here and there

there is a specific way to obtain such (to become such) in Legacy
it was never added, but was teased by Dondi

which was also its official name

so if we learn of its true name
maybe we'll be able to know where it came from

[unborn knot]

Echidna is the nuerotenic human right?

[knotty locust]

my theory is that the eyeless are the next stage from gen 1s in the """"evolutionary path"""""

gen 1 -> prove your worth via sacrifices or whatever -> become eyeless -> go through a number of specific routes to become the strain you want to be

[acoustic osprey]

ye

[tranquil flume]

Arent the eyeless cave dwellers?

[acoustic osprey]

i think you're thinking about the one old vega art
but that was a normal "gen1"

[tranquil flume]

Ah ok

[acoustic osprey]

is interesting

[acoustic osprey]

the only thing i am curious about though is that Eyeless' share the same trait (being eyeless) as Neuros do
which can lead to the thought that they are standard neurotenic Gen1s

but

maybe, if you take your theory, the 'becoming eyeless as a reward' aspect
could be some sort of Herculean challenge

become blinded, receive your limitations and your sufferings
and prove your worth to the fullest extent

[civic pollen]

[unborn knot]

Yall are speaking a different language lol

[tranquil flume]

A challenge that heightens the other 4 senses?

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1489209986570784778/welcome.gif

[unborn knot]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[acoustic osprey]

an interesting struggle

[tranquil flume]

They give death angels vibes

[acoustic osprey]

(design wise, i like to think of those fellas from the last hunger games movie lol)

[unborn knot]

https://tenor.com/view/swarm-the-hunger-games-mockingjay-part2-attacking-horde-mutts-gif-16225271

[tranquil flume]

I havent watched the hunger games

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

ye

[tranquil flume]

Yeah i could see it

Maybe like a mixture of both

[unborn knot]

Good series, read the books before you watch the movies tho thank me later

[tranquil flume]

I dont have the time to read much anymore tbh

[acoustic osprey]

(after i finish Shogun, i think i'm gonna suffer and read hunger games)

[acoustic osprey]

ye

[tranquil flume]

I tried to read LOTR i could not make it through the first book

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, very old style of writing

[tranquil flume]

The hobbit however, love reading that one over and over haha

[acoustic osprey]

was about to say that lol

a lot easier and nicer read
but i appreciate the world building of the LOTR books

[tranquil flume]

There’s a lot in the LOTR, good author but just it drags on a bit

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
something made by someone who loved their work
but want you to put hours into reading sessions

[tranquil flume]

Yeah haha

I’ve read big books too

[acoustic osprey]

but, none of these stories are as good enough as Isle Lore!!

[tranquil flume]

Well i was going to say if a book series ever came out regarding the isle and lore i would def read it lol

[acoustic osprey]

what a world it would be if Don gave a professional author (nothing against Dondi of course, but someone who does books for a living!) his entire 60+ page timeline document of everything

Go make a novella or somethin'
just don't answer the isle lore

[lethal moat]

The isle fan series when

[hexed forge]

George R R Martin

https://klipy.com/gifs/georgerr-martin-game-of-thrones

[acoustic osprey]

i suppose we have some

but not proper prose fan lore that is properly wide spread

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/impractical-jokers-sal-vulcano-sal-sal-point-and-laugh-sal-laugh-gif-21629949

as amazing GRRM's writing style would compliment isle lore...
Slower then isle development

[echo gazelle]

Can't remember who but a while back someone reached out to him regarding Isle's story and stated "we should talk" but don't think anything came of it. There use to be a twitch clip about it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/maekar-targaryen-lean-forward-huh-wtf-what-gif-1062280360135180066

oh i think i remember a mention on that

reminds me of when Don messaged one of the devs from prehistoric kingdom about doing UI for Isle
just one of those neat messages that just never made its way...

[echo gazelle]

Yeah, he was playing Apex with I beleive Baardo is the most I rememeber and oh gawd the PK collab too was something before

[acoustic osprey]

all i remember of the first is a mention to the stream probably some time after it happened

long time ago now...

[regal locust]

What a wild coincidence seeing this gif in here of all places.

[feral sonnet]

Funny…

[acoustic osprey]

because best show of the year

[feral mortar]

I wonder if we’ll ever get short films to explain some lore or give us stories of certain events

[kindred jay]

would be fire

[feral mortar]

Don please

[ionic fog]

doesnt that describe the file recoveries in phase 3

Salt Lore!

[acoustic osprey]

yeah pretty much

alongside the ERRANT-291 document for stories on certain events

albeit, not a big event
but something that be alluding to bigger events and ideas

[rough hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[feral mortar]

Somebody needs to

[acoustic osprey]

we already have actual lore short films

but i do wish we could get something that isn't just video explaining why dinosaur does X Y or Z

[rough hollow]

[feral mortar]

I mean human stuff

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/impractical-jokers-sal-vulcano-sal-sal-point-and-laugh-sal-laugh-gif-21629949

[feral mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

[acoustic osprey]

quite so, quite so

the sad part is that Don said he can't really do proper human stuff because he doesn't have space for mocap

which is a bummer

[ornate comet]

Wdym oh great and wise light claw

Also for April fools you should have changed your name to white claw and with a pic of the drink

[low scarab]

I’ve always thought the same thing

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

😔

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-game-over-wreck-it-ralph-scared-pleading-gif-1807318920693608701

[acoustic osprey]

quite so!

I've really enjoyed all the TCAM-style lore videos
but it cannot truly communicate everything lore-wise, in my opinion

And if you play on the same visual idea, it becomes a bit stale

[ornate comet]

Not for me bud, I’m the trail cam enjoyer

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-angry-gods-adventure-time-jake-adventure-time-jake-the-dog-jake-angry-gif-12555746965887914949

[low scarab]

Agreed I still think they can do a lot with the tcam stuff but I think they should (and hopefully will) incorporate some other methods of sharing lore especially in game

[torn monolith]

Neuro spino is so cool to me

[visual pewter]

Is this like a mutation or something? Why he look like he did hard drugs his whole life?

[feral mortar]

Neurotonic spinosaurus

It’s one of the 3 strain variations

[feral mortar]

These anims are old tho, probably 7ish years old

[visual pewter]

He's right that was kinda hot

[torn monolith]

I have this one saved lol

[feral mortar]

Ain’t it tho

[hallow rover]

Whats going on here then

[feral mortar]

First one is sniffing, second is it’s EMP ability

[hallow rover]

Are they old animations or something?

From legacy

[feral mortar]

Yes

Again, 7ish years ago, hopefully (most definitely) being remade for Evrima

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-23356423

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, with what we have right now with the TCAM stuff, they have explored quite a good amount of different styles.
But, I really commend the team, especially Dondi, for having every TCAM relatively being unique and stylistically different from each other, outside of the Trike and Diablo TCAM.
However.... the only difference is the Trike TCAM has an actual story to it, which is different from the Diablo TCAM... So, technically speaking, every TCAM video is and has been unique.

My only gripe is that we've been getting a lot of "Hey, why does X dinosaur do Y thing?" style video. Its fine, but it does get repetitive no matter how many times they change the TCAM style of each lore video.
It's just a lot on dinosaurs, which is fine ... being a majority dino game ...
but I just want some of this content starting to explore deeper in lore, more then we've ever gone into, like EIPs, humans, etc etc

I can very easily imagine TCAMs with humans in it.
However I think i'd prefer more short actual stories and not just hard, static TCAM cameras that aren't able to move and stuff.
Unless they really want to put a lot of effort into a TCAM vid.
I do think humans should get a lot of effort in videos, though

But yeah, I just hope that we get unique or at least heavier, more hard-hitting lore-wise videos that don't have to be TCAMs.
But if they muchc prefer this style. I just hope Don pushes towards giving us a bit more in that direction.
but yeah yay

[low scarab]

Yea I agree I’m still betting that they explore those as development continues and (maybe) we actually reach implementation of that sort of thing but such is life as a lore nerd I suppose

[acoustic osprey]

🙏

especially by not making everything easily accessible
but also making us work hard to find these sort of things

I do kinda of find it a bit hypocritical of me
I want lore now
but i do want lore to be hidden yet discoverable

but we know that isn't the case yet...
the terminal is a good sign though that... soon...

it would be CRAZY though if there were some advancements to the Terminal for this HT/update

[low scarab]

Exactly

the potential is kind of just sitting there waiting on the game to get to a decent spot which is sort of a shame but I understand

[low scarab]

One can only hope 🤞

[hollow marten]

How come the neuro spino exist. Is it a freak accident or is it a counter to a specific type h dino

[feral mortar]

There’s type H, type N and type T

Neuro spino is type N

[lethal moat]

There’s three strain types, type h, type n, and type t

[last onyx]

why are strains?

[lethal moat]

Medicine related potentially

[last onyx]

why is the lore so complicated, lore man?

[alpine lynx]

everything is complicated when you look deep into it

[acoustic osprey]

(The specific design and general idea was also basically a fan canon artwork by Tapwing before she was hired)

[rough hollow]

I need him.

[chrome acorn]

He needs a hand

[rough hollow]

It took one.

[fathom valve]

How is everyone

[tulip coral]

That thang is like a fish

[next radish]

hope you are good first allosaurus, im alright, just got the game and allosaurus is actually my favorite dinosaur lol

fricking love big al

that carnotaurus is absolutely terrifying.

[rustic urchin]

its heavily based on a stoplight loosejaw fish, bioluminescent red eyes and all

fish are basically irl neurotenics

[acoustic osprey]

just need to pluck out the eyes

[rustic urchin]

eyes get a pass this time

even if theyre not really eyes on carno

[acoustic osprey]

pokemon type eyes
misleading and not the real thing

[sonic vale]

so how do i enter tartarus right now

what’s my next steps, as someone who wants to go

[acoustic osprey]

LLLRFL....

not really but!...

maybe it'll have some importance...

[acoustic osprey]

<@&933486433342222376>

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/824703772215345193/1200553288211378266/355318F4-739C-43D1-B99C-00E97C6BFC5F.gif

[nimble fractal]

Sorry

[weak sluice]

Did you know oviraptor is the sole focus of the isles lore?

[lethal moat]

I do now

[ornate comet]

No rumple don’t abstract we need you to hate on allo more

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/jax-trippy-acid-trip-abstraction-abstracting-gif-11967495237344846920

[hoary flume]

I'm playing with 3 Allos on US 13, I'm using Cerato. If anyone from the server is interested, feel free to message me privately.

[acoustic osprey]

wrong channel 😔

[hoary flume]

sorry

[snow jasper]

you will pay

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-it-was-just-a-story-ewan-mcgregor-story-obi-wan-kenobi-series-gif-26899287

[pseudo fable]

This is fun.

[fast forge]

It is!

[acoustic osprey]

i should be compiling a lot of peoples' glance sheets
especially Lima's

i've seen a good handful of them now
Good and bad

honestly, Limas do be amazing

Dasharks as well are nice

[civic pollen]

they look so good.

[acoustic osprey]

one day we may see some ||the official ones of course|| in-game though

that'll be the day!

[rough hollow]

I have more.

[acoustic osprey]

i do wonder if there would be official glance sheets for them

or if they get a completely different (maybe more edgier) sheet

[tranquil flume]

Rex build sheet leak perhamps?

[acoustic osprey]

🫣

[torn monolith]

I hope we get official files for creatures

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jude-law-young-pope-pope-smoking-the-young-pope-gif-7447535

[merry zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mouse-famished-impoverished-poor-frugal-gif-17376987343842233810

[acoustic osprey]

🚬

please forgive me, but i had to check the terminal this update

even though it literally added like a single mb of data to the game

[rough hollow]

Oh you desperate soul.

[acoustic osprey]

1 mb was A LOT in the 90s! so! so!

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1492100020369883266/overconfidentgif.gif

😔

[torn monolith]

lore starvation kicking in

[acoustic osprey]

soon :))

[torn monolith]

soon™

[merry zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204

[snow jasper]

Good things await beyond the long great depression

[dawn root]

i wish rex could js get a nerf

[rough hollow]

Wrong channel.

[dawn root]

oh

oh it is

[rough hollow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/shop-iowa-gift-10RgsuetO4uDkY

[dawn root]

mb

[rough hollow]

I need to remake some of my older ones. Like the T-Carno needs to be altered. Troodon I'm okay with, and Hyper Rex I just kinda copied down the description from one of the old character sheets, which I'm not happy with. I'd rather craft another scenario similar to the N-Carno so that it doesn't feel like I'm trying to sell the IDEA of the Hyper Rex, but rather sell the idea that the document you're reading feels classified in some way.

I might try and do that with all of them. Because I wasn't taking them all too seriously in the storytelling aspect.

[merry zodiac]

Thats just propaganda

[snow jasper]

whatever gives hope in these dark times

[merry zodiac]

Better grab all that hopium

[rustic urchin]

now that i have my pc again i want to remake some of mine since i made them all on mobile lol

plus looking back at the official ones i think i crammed way too much writing

[rough hollow]

[rustic urchin]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-writing-2

[young viper]

Apollo Engineering

[muted reef]

What is this

[rough hollow]

Something I'm writing that relates to #isle-lore-theories message

[muted reef]

Ah

[nimble fractal]

Lore!!

[acoustic osprey]

please remove 2172 and do not use japanese yy/mm/dd 😔

but yay!!!

i do wish we could read the character names for errant-291 though...

nonetheless, yay!!

[knotty locust]

@acoustic osprey

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bradpitt-gif-17486919993743766170

||I just wish it worked... but ||

[acoustic osprey]

man i really wish names were covered up like this or just a bit more darker so you have to do a bit of photoshopping. But still

[rough hollow]

I mean I can make them darker.

[acoustic osprey]

i really find it weird that half of the blacked out words in ERRANT-291 are fixable
and the other half are not

[acoustic osprey]

i think for a bit of realism, yeah

https://gyazo.com/b5189c13235c750b74ee83d073d4dde1
like these two on the top are a bit darker and harder to read

probably something you could 'photoshop' to read

[rough hollow]

I think I sold the legitimacy.

[acoustic osprey]

sold it for the 1000 life contract...

[rough hollow]

[acoustic osprey]

is nice though

[rough hollow]

Why thank you

It might not be it's best as it's 3am and I've been trial and erroring for 3 hours.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-peter-parker-sandman-spiderman3-i-forgive-you-gif-23309359

[rough hollow]

I need your brutal critiques. I thrive off of it.

[acoustic osprey]

with this #isle-lore-theories message
you only made darker the ones i said were fine

also curious on the classification NIBBS

[rough hollow]

I misread

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1491957733216227479/caption.gif

[rough hollow]

Moreso just echoing was ERRANT's was. Nibbs is a funny nickname you give an amputee in some cases.

[acoustic osprey]

ah interesting
didn't know that lol

[rough hollow]

Yeah. So since he lost a hand, I thought it only fit. lol

[acoustic osprey]

was just curious

as ERRANT being an errant

but yes, nibbs
i see i see

[rough hollow]

Yeah that was my main inspiration for finding a fitting name.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/skywalker-loses-hand-vader-darth-gif-13525826

[rough hollow]

537 might delve into my own little version of lore. Paragraph 4 being a hint towards that.

[acoustic osprey]

curious on if 537 (like how ERRANT is 291)
is supposed to be '291st' or the '537th' case of "X" classification
or coming off their employee 'number (assuming they had some, seeing as 291 had an employee badge)

[rough hollow]

Yeah it's just their employee number.

Would've been displayed on their bodycam UI.

[acoustic osprey]

ah ok
or else 537 cases of people getting their hands popped off is a bit too much lol

[rough hollow]

Haha

[acoustic osprey]

which you shall be doing, right :))

[rough hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1492203696212410549/gorilla-eating.gif

Gimme a Neuro Carno model and I'll be on it. lol

[acoustic osprey]

all i can give you is a pat on the back and words of encouragement
😎

[rough hollow]

That's all I need lmao

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!

also is the species report supposed to be this?

(in the NIBBS report for [1] / 537-A)

because if anything
i would refer this less to a species report, being a glance sheet, and more of a species evaluation sheet or just "Species Glance Sheet/Document"

[rough hollow]

Loosely based on that, yes.

[acoustic osprey]

not saying you have to change the footnote
but i just know that, in lore, these are supposed to be not super helpful and more glances (to know a bit about X or Y creature)

[rough hollow]

Yeah, it's loosely tied to that. It probably wouldn't have any form of illustration at all. For that animal especially.

Maybe a still frame from the bodycam footage.

[acoustic osprey]

probably the only slight nitpick from the incident report nibbs sheet

nothing i can really see as needing criticism then

[rough hollow]

This should hopefully be the final rendition.

[acoustic osprey]

when it mentions the Neuro Carno
I'm curious whether you should keep it as "Neurotenic Strain" or just keep it as Type-N Strain

Not a nitpick
just a thought

Seeing as legacy basically only referred to strains as "Type-...X" etc
like with this
but this is Evrima. And the mediums for these are slightly different

however, the legacy loading screens were a bit interesting
they were one medium but the text 'coming from' (in lore) different mediums

such as this one, which is different from the last
as this one is specifically a AE-IRT (AE Incident Report Transcript)

[rough hollow]

I see Type-N as more of an abbreviation than anything. On an official report like this I'd feel it more appropriate to use the full name.

[acoustic osprey]

i just know they used "Type" a lot on legacy
Which is interesting

if anything
they'd probably, irl, use Neurotenic first then say Type-N after the first reference

like with Essays with abbreviations to things

[rough hollow]

Yeah that makes the most sense

[acoustic osprey]

saying that, am i missing some of the legacy loading screens
hm

nonetheless
i have nothing else to say, critique-wise, about your sheet
it is really nice

[rough hollow]

Why thank you. You made a lot of sense with the example of essays, so I just made that little change too. So, official final rendition. lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1384659866139758702.webp?size=128&animated=true

[acoustic osprey]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[rustic urchin]

so the severed hand showed signs of healing?

[acoustic osprey]

thats no normal employee...

[rough hollow]

He was.

The mind of a terrified man in the body of a feral beast.

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[rough hollow]

'Beast' being used lightly here.

[rustic urchin]

https://klipy.com/gifs/reiner-heal

[acoustic osprey]

||i do need to watch AoT||

[rustic urchin]

its very good and while watching made me think of the isle sometimes (mostly due to insanity)

[rough hollow]

Best representation I can find of what that poor expedition may or may not find if that request gets approved.

[acoustic osprey]

hmmmmm interesting

after i finish jjk
i am going to watch AoT

so i'll see

[rustic urchin]

so was the hand from a strain-infected person then?

[rough hollow]

He might be now.

[rustic urchin]

i finished aot and have started jjk now lol

[acoustic osprey]

are you asking for a model 👁️

see now, if you did Neuro Spino over Neuro Carno
life would be easier

[rustic urchin]

tissoplastic guy due to limb wanting to regenerate? idk

[acoustic osprey]

neuro
i think Lima is doing Neuro Goo

[rustic urchin]

the goop

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-ron-trosper-the-chair-company-surprised-oh-my-god-gif-18321705635023080426

i wonder if Lima is doing it to be linked with NHJs or a seperate Neurotenic-type thing from Neuro bite infections

[rustic urchin]

i do like the idea of neurotenics having some contagious aspect

[acoustic osprey]

also i realised i didn't have the full crop photo of the old door
so i am send here because helpful

i think its on the legacy Archive doc
but nonetheless

[rustic urchin]

i also hope they lean into the bioelectric stuff because the more i read about bioelectric fish, the more i realise theyre just irl neuros

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[rustic urchin]

electric eels can communicate with each other through their electric signals and relay information down a "chain" of eels

also they can use their shocks to control the nervous systems of their prey

if they are trying to find hiding prey, theyll make them jerk or flinch to expose themselves. if theyre chasing fleeing prey, theyll make them freeze up

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-alec-guinness-obi-wan-kenobi-serious-think-gif-5199304

[acoustic osprey]

oh i just realised both this and the eyeless one are basically super slow invincible wobble edits

[rough hollow]

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/неуязвимый-invincibleshow-invincible-wobble-edit-gif-5918803382277430350

forgive me

[rustic urchin]

invincisle

[acoustic osprey]

why can i see him?

[last onyx]

Tf even is that

[slate pewter]

Like a hybrid

It resembles a scaled up Deinoycus

[acoustic osprey]

a theory that some of us have made relatively recently, WhiteFalcon, is that Omniraptor could have been an early dinosaur
basically one of the first dinosaurs AE made
or literally the first

In a period of time where AE may not have had been able to actually remake an actual pre-existing creature
and thus, had to put 'a bunch of things together' to get something
and that something may have had turned out to be Omniraptor

[slate pewter]

Who's theory is that I like it.

[acoustic osprey]

just a bunch of ours in one
its a relatively new thought

I think from last month or something

[slate pewter]

It makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!

[slate pewter]

The first one being basically a running Eagle.
Easy to handle and easy to nourish

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as AE started in plants
they likely had the tech to make living things

Just had to go around actually now swaping kingdoms from plants to animals

[slate pewter]

Then in Lore Omni could also have a feathered varient

Would be nice to hear from Dondi about the first breeding pair of Omni

Or the first Sisters like in JP

Adam and Eve or staying with Greek mythology Garamas and Noibe

[rustic urchin]

Omniraptor likely is some hybrid or other custom made dinosaur

Though afaik we still don’t really know if any of the dinosaurs are really dinosaurs at all, like if they really contain dinosaur dna or if they’re just molded into the shape of what they expect a dinosaur to be (although the last trail cam video with Rex implies there is at least some dinosaur DNA)

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

it could truly be only Rex has some Paleo Rex DNA
or that after a certain point, Rex got Paleo DNA ... and evolved a mutation to use some sort of hidden gene from that DNA to use the Paleo Broadcast

[acoustic osprey]

However, with Omniraptor
I much prefer this theory 😔 #isle-lore-theories message

i don't really like Omniraptor just being stereotypical hybrid

when nothing else is really that besides Troodon

[rustic urchin]

Isn’t troodon apparently derived from two other ingame dinos? Or something like that

[slate pewter]

They are bioegineered reptiles that look like dinosaurs based on Æ idea what a dinosaur that lived mya looked like

They made featherless chickens basically

I think no Dinosaur DNA was used they likely rebuilt the whole sequence from the ground up creating life

And modifying existing animal DNA.

I think Deinosuchus is just an overeginerred American alligator

Not the very crocodilian that lived in the Cretaceous

This would explain why Our Deinosuchus is very much a scaled up Alligator

Every minute feature of that beast screams alligator

The teeth, snout shape, jawline, backplates, underbelly, cheeks, large skull plate where the sexual male markings are

And that our Deinosuchus is very smooth and streamlined

And among Dinosaurs probably Allo and Maia are the only paleo accurate

[slate pewter]

Austro!

What would be the Lore behind Austro

Did Æ make a realistic Dinosaurs that's basically a bird

Austro would be the direct opposite of Omni.
So I guess Austro is newer

I wonder what the lore for Austro will be

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-austroraptor-evrima-the-isle-gif-13614323030079863274

[acoustic osprey]

basically
although, from what we know: "But what if we did this to animal X…"

full quote

'Troodon: Created from another dinosaur currently not in-game, a byproduct of an in-world character’s, “But what if we did this” to animal X…” -Dondi (Oct 25/26 2023)'

[rustic urchin]

There’s likely some level of dna present due to the fact they acknowledge Rex’s paleo call as atavism, meaning it would have some level of Rex dna present for that trait to reemerge from the ancestor

[rustic urchin]

Still wonder what that dinosaur could be. Cant be omni since it was already there. Velo maybe?

[acoustic osprey]

^^

#isle-lore-theories message
as well, WhiteFalcon

[acoustic osprey]

definitely something small

[snow jasper]

I still stand by my theory of megalania solely based on the troodon's swim style

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[haughty sapphire]

<@&933486433342222376>

[slate pewter]

But Trex DNA is lost doesn't exist its a badly damaged sequence from mixed blood you find in a dead mosquito died and fossilised in Amber.

You better off engineer your own

[magic dagger]

Why did they make dinosaurs anyway

[acoustic osprey]

if we're going off irl lore, sure

but this is the isle

[slate pewter]

Challenge

[slate pewter]

The Isle is science fiction and science fiction are usually based on irl science

[acoustic osprey]

No lol

science fiction is 'fiction'
meaning

Fiction is any form of narrative, literature, film, or art created from the imagination rather than strictly based on history or fact

there is a complete spectrum of realism for fiction

[slate pewter]

But not a fairytale

Its a theoretical scenario

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
them extracting paleo dna isn't fairytale-level, to be fair

[slate pewter]

Bioengineering is that

[acoustic osprey]

its something JP did

we've also been told by Dondi that the idea of Clarkes Third Law is in place in lore

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

[slate pewter]

Rebuilding and mapping out the DNS sequence is also not a myth

[slate pewter]

Like how do you explain electricity to someone from the 18th century?

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

[slate pewter]

How do you explain a touch screen phone to someone who was born in the 60s?

Magic is Science

[acoustic osprey]

well
i wouldn't say that specifically

the future feels like magic
but magic is not science

[slate pewter]

And the truth is that we could irl bioengineer birds to look like dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

there are things in magic that cannot physically exist, that exist outside the natural laws of the universe

but there are things in science that, if you go back in time, 'feels impossible' (thus equated to the idea of it being 'magic')

[slate pewter]

Æ be like

Yes Omni

Now eat the bug you cute bird

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[slate pewter]

First Austroraptor

Engineered out of Herons and Falcons

This also explains how and why dinosaurs can change so rapidly and go under mutations so quickly

Both in lore and ingame

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1492100020369883266/overconfidentgif.gif

[cerulean epoch]

I would argue Clarkes Third Law is largely used as a hand wave by writers who wish to get away with something without their work being labeled fantasy.

Star Trek is Fantasy (matter cannot move the speed of light or greater, and if it did there would be dramatic implications)

Much of Michael Crichtons work is Science Fiction.

[acoustic osprey]

however, still applies to JP (both novels and movies)
but is explicitly stated to be the case with The Isle (specifically mentioned with the replicator, iirc. Although does not limit to just the replicator)

however, Star Trek isn't truly fantasy
just because things can be fanatical, doesn't mean it is fantasy (being that it doesn't fit generic fantasy tropes)

[cerulean epoch]

Yes, I suppose there's definitely a tolerance to the term.

Not all of Jurassic Park fits into scientific plausibility. And a little extra fiction apart from the science doesn't hurt the genre

And despite the impossibilities of faster then light travel, the primary subject of such dramas is still exploration of the scientific field (space).

[acoustic osprey]

of course

genres are an interesting topic
they're complex and not singular

Star Trek does include fantastical ideas and things that are pretty much magic to us
But it still, more or less, aligns far more with the general 20th-21st century ideas, themes and settings of a "Sci-fi"

[frozen totem]

"There is a point where certain modern technologies become indecipherable from magic." -some guy I don't remember his name

[frozen totem]

wait you already quoted it. bruh

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah lol

[rustic urchin]

Wasn’t that quoted in an old Olympus transmitter message?

Also yeah I am really curious though to see just how far the isle goes in terms of its sci fi. A lot of sci fi stuff naturally converges with elements that are simply supernatural, but idk if the isle will do that

Neuros to me seem like the farthest stretch

But I kinda do want to see some of that stuff dip its toes in territory where you genuinely question if it’s just natural science at play or if there’s other forces at work

It’s always interesting when advanced technology ends up working in ways that make you question the supernatural, like how engineers on certain military tech will swear up and down that some computer program or machine is “haunted” lol

[acoustic osprey]

no

[rustic urchin]

Was it a Dondi quote then? I remember something isle related saying that

[rustic urchin]

I’ve heard this a few times but idk if it’s a true story or not. But this kinda thing is always interesting where even the programmers just acknowledge the machine is haunted lol

[fast forge]

https://youtu.be/_rek1TzX2vw?si=IlJom1ltS0ZWqngK

God I love Venture Bros...

[twilit spade]

i wonder if there will be actual lore? and if thats something only the humans will be able to access to learn why the isle is the way it is

[civic pollen]

there is tons of actual lore. there is a whole document in the pinned messages.

[sinful stirrup]

why does the cloverfield movie have the same text format the isle lore videos do? They both use USGX, does it mean something in the real world or did they just use it for reference?

[rough hollow]

I believe it's a fairly common format for classified documentations.

[sinful stirrup]

def would like to know what this format is called, looks neat.

[acoustic osprey]

nice catch

Apparently the USGX doesn't have a known official meaning

but some say it could mean US Government "X" (for classified?)

[sinful stirrup]

Im assuming it means United States Goverment Archived

X for archived

[acoustic osprey]

http://www.usgx8810b467233px.com/ (link doesn't work anymore)
heh, apparently there was a whole official arg-esque website made for it

https://cloverfieldclues.blogspot.com/search/label/USGX
but coming off this

honestly
very interesting read

of course, nothing helpful for 'isle lore'

but, really cool nonetheless

basically another sort of terminal-esque ARG that i would not mind coming in

similar to the People Playground website

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[rustic urchin]

There it is yeah

[sinful stirrup]

Well if the isle file names have any sense to them then we can draw an idea of what they mean.

From the Cloverfield stuff we see it says DoD and NGTA which are both real things.

DoD being department of defense so whatever the isle is using in replacement in that ARCHIVE (7) thats where the file is and OL-TM must be another agency inside a government or AE.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[acoustic osprey]

problem is
we see two

OL-TM and OL-GH

i suppose could be seperate departments part of "OL"

[sinful stirrup]

Or we’re over analyzing this and they just put random numbers and letters lmao

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as they're both post-injection evaluations
but
one is about Social Dynamics (animal behaviour)
and the other is about nutrient metabolism

[acoustic osprey]

wouldn't be the first...

i think some things are important though, more seemingly important due to their repeated presence as well

where others. Good to have them written down because they could be referred to again

[acoustic osprey]

stuff like ARCHIVE 7 / Archive (7) especially

i wouldn't be surprised if OL-TM and OL-GH are just random numbers with no true depth behind them, though
unless Dondi really wants everything to be super duper pitch perfect regarding everything
Which i do not see

If they did so
they would be making every model, even useless generic props and models

not worth the while

howeve, archive 7 is interesting

which goes to our archive 7 corruption theory

[sinful stirrup]

I have no idea what any of the theories for the isle are

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1489209986570784778/welcome.gif

i'll be honest
there isn't a great area to learn theories

despite the name of the channel

[sinful stirrup]

lmao

good to know

[acoustic osprey]

lol

honestly
theories for isle lore is a bit weird

not that our theories are bad
more so
Its pretty direct and there isn't a lot of lore to go off from to make larger and bigger theories

so every lore theory is more of a simple and quick question
with one or two theories behind it

[sinful stirrup]

hmm

[acoustic osprey]

about this though :))

maybe its time to resend my 'change isle theories to isle lore discussion' petition :))

[languid escarp]

Claw explain to me the lore behind the unknown/gen1

Seems like a fatal error or some kind of… ghost in the machine or was it intentionally made

Or if you about to type it in discussion u good lol

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[languid escarp]

Heheh so how did they come about though? Was it an error? Or were they purposely made

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jude-law-young-pope-pope-smoking-the-young-pope-gif-7447535

we basically have only this for Gen1s:

Began as a retaliatory product by AE as an overengineered answer to
the question of, “What if something hits AE?”, and are an effective deterrent.
(In terms of their original purpose)

the Eyeless though?

pft. Who knows

they were described by Don to be like "Gen 1.5"
#isle-lore-theories message

so likely made after Gen1s were originally created

[knotty locust]

honestly?

maybe the eyeless are what become of gen 1s if they evade capture after a retaliatory strike

overtime they slowly become eyeless basically

[acoustic osprey]

retalitory strike from what though

[knotty locust]

i meant a retaliatory strike from AE against another company

they use the gen 1s to attack a rival company's facility, some escape

[rustic urchin]

i know dondi described it as "enemy territory", so id assume theyre not just dropping them in a random office building in a bustling city lol

as funny as that would be

maybe other companies and their own private islands lol, if AE isnt the only one with their own The Isle™

[knotty locust]

what im talking about is the territory

if they just scatter in every direction out in the middle of nowhere from a facility, itd be difficult to catch every single one, and surely one would escape

[acoustic osprey]

mmmmm

[knotty locust]

eyeless being gen 1 "prime elder" so to speak

[acoustic osprey]

their eyes would have to morph into nothing though
as if it was never there

but maybe

[knotty locust]

the skin heals/grafts over the eyes naturally

or something

[rustic urchin]

i wonder if they even need to capture the released gen1 after or not. surely if they already have chips/EIPs in dinosaurs, they could just remotely "shut off" any loose animal

suicide squad bomb in the head type thing lol

[acoustic osprey]

or i inject you with the neuro goo, sorry 😔

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-memes-gif-1383215507684921977

[rustic urchin]

id guess its "forced evolution" to adapt to caves and low light environments, but hard to say if it was AE proper who did it, for some bioweapon ig, or if it was the replicator, or if it was "natural" weird stuff like augustus

its definitely a recurring thing though that whatever is being done to the organisms AE makes, they have a weird tendency to spontaneously mutate/adapt in weird ways

[acoustic osprey]

i do wonder, like outside of what happens to Gen1s or how is the eyeless..., how AE do these operations with Gen1s

especially with what you said
Once its finished, are these creatures built with some sort of biological planned obsolescence ... i know its not unique but maybe something like what JP did (Lysine Contingency...)

[rustic urchin]

(i mean we literally have mutations as an ingame mechanic so makes sense ig)

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

specifically with SYNTHs (at least Dino synths), we know that they are a lot more 'mutatious' because of 'the machine'
but how? why? and just SYNTHs or could it be anything 'the machine' interacts with ... and if so, does it have to be during a SYNTHs creation or can it be re-designed while it is living?

[rustic urchin]

i really wouldnt be surprised if AE had a built in "kill switch" for any animal they have in their system. if it has an EIP/tracker/chip/whatever, like the stuff seen on the death screen, id assume they can just hit the "terminate" button and down they go

tricky thing would be the cleanup. wouldnt want to leave a dozen corpses behind of your genetic monsters for authorities to link back to you, or other companies to reverse engineer

ig most reasonable thing, if doable, would be to "program" them to return to their deployment point or whatever so they can be retrieved and used again. more cost effective and means you dont leave too much evidence behind

although if one is killed in action, yeah that could be a problem

[acoustic osprey]

biotrace perchance...

we only know that ERRANT-291 (an 'employee') didn't have a biotrace ... but doesn't truly limit itself to being just for employees. As 291 could have been an AE-creation: A Generation Two.
and... #isle-lore-theories message
Don once referred to biotrace with Troodon (inferring that dinosaurs potentially did actually have biotraces as well)

So i would not be surprised if even Gen1s had biotraces
Which, potentially, have some sort of multi-utility purpose of being a tracker and 'kill switch' (etc)

personally
not too sure if they'd want kill switch over something that would knock out/subdue the 'creature' with the biotrace
But maybe they just have 'all of the above'; kill switch option, knock out option, etc

[acoustic osprey]

what would be easier

some sort of kill switch activated remotely
or training the questionably 'conscious' humanoid monsteroid to 'come back' as if a well trained dog

hm

the hard part, that i can think of, with kill switch

is that you'd need to know when they were finished
I doubt you could train and kept them (the Gen1s) trained to activate the kill switch themselves
Maybe this is where you insert Robo Quetz as your remote surveillance camera?

but is that a lot of enough over just training the Gen1s to come back

[rustic urchin]

Could have some body cam on them

Part of me doesn’t think that AE being able to program/command them is out of the question. If they can create mind-hijacking tech and neuros anyway, seems relatively simple to make an organism that reacts in specific ways to specific impulses and is able to be “commanded” that way.

Even if just a simple “go here”, or “come back here” lol

[acoustic osprey]

i don't mean to say that it would be out of the question
but what would be more reliable and easier to do

but body cam would work

[rustic urchin]

Kill switch would be easier for sure, but also messier. Means every gen1 is a single-use weapon, and also leaving behind clear evidence. Idk the legality of dropping cannibalistic human-adjacent monsters on people is but I assume it wouldn’t be good for AEs stock value

[acoustic osprey]

this is why i think they would, if they would prefer this over training them, use more so of a knock out system (through Biotrace?) rather then just killswitch

we know AE aren't afraid to pick up things
like how we know they pick up Rexs with Helis

[rustic urchin]

True they could just sedate them somehow and bring in the cleanup crew

[acoustic osprey]

so they probably, if they do use the 'kill switch' option, just pick them up
whether alive or dead

[acoustic osprey]

Biotrace!!

[rustic urchin]

Probably would be in their best interest anyway to send a team down to collect any valuable data left in whatever place they just raided

[acoustic osprey]

ye

[rustic urchin]

Go in, collect gen1, verify the people who you want dead are dead, grab some goodies on the way out

[acoustic osprey]

they have sweep teams and checkpoint teams on islands
they probably have foreign para-troop style sweep teams for missions like that as well

the hope and want is that we can physically get any sort of lore media on this type of stuff 😔 🙏

[spiral wasp]

Is Troodon still planned to be able to mimic things?

I wonder if Troodon will have humans on their diet. That would be funny lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1491957733216227479/caption.gif

sorry krowdrah 😔

(also, we don't know. I believe it was said that it may come back. But likely not anytime soon. But i am not too sure)

[spiral wasp]

Lol. I was going to ask what this had to do with lore

What in the abomination is Troodon?

Why make it so deadly? Was it an oopsie, or intentional?

[acoustic osprey]

all we know is this

Created from another dinosaur currently not in-game, a byproduct of an in-world character’s, “But what if we did this” to animal X…”

[spiral wasp]

I need more troo lore 🙏

[frozen totem]

we all do

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187102341028122655/1364045655017914398/IMG_9465.gif

[frozen totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1011130915054952469/1155498069631172628/attachment-1.gif

[acoustic osprey]

quite quite so

[slate pewter]

Feathered Dilos are hunting a Feathered Plateo

Plateo is still on the roster?

It would be the 2nd early Jurassic dinosaurs

Do you think it would make sense if lore if some dinosaurs would be feathered and some not?

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1491957733216227479/caption.gif

[acoustic osprey]

there already is some

[slate pewter]

I am asking about the lore side of it

[slate pewter]

Twas ugly

[slate pewter]

But in the same species

Like some Omni specimen would be feathered some wouldn’t

[acoustic osprey]

currently, in lore, we just have Galli having both feathered and non-feathered

[slate pewter]

That's a milestone

Once you have a principle you could apply to that to every other birds

[low scarab]

lol

New gif added to my collection

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[frozen totem]

(the feathered ones)

[slate pewter]

Aye

[frozen totem]

Is that an Angus McLuaghlin reference?

[rustic urchin]

the fact that at one point, Angus McLuaghlin could be considered a canonical person in the isles lore is really funny to me

pc and isle have such different tones that it kinda helps them not being connected. love pc but its a lot less serious and a lot more tf2 goofiness

[fallow harbor]

is lore still alive

[frozen totem]

gotta love it tho

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-side-eye-car-pull-off-gif-16564232493624591747

[fast forge]

The Lore is merely biding it's time

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jude-law-young-pope-pope-smoking-the-young-pope-gif-7447535

[snow jasper]

put that out, it isnt good for you

[acoustic osprey]

And yet, this place holds us no less tightly than the cigarette...

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-jong-un-rocket-cinematic-deep-aesthetic-gif-27348152

[acoustic osprey]

wow... 😔

[tribal bobcat]

Sorry

[acoustic osprey]

i forgive you

[tribal bobcat]

Yay

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096791218895192166/1113932017445371985/Untitled-2-1.gif

the 'new' AE logo was also in legacy

lol

[frosty root]

what cryptic imagery is this?

[acoustic osprey]

the glitching screens from legacy

turns out the one 'new' AE logo that used to be on the water tanks was actually in the game since legacy

and with a tiny change

that being the top point (the middle corner) is a straight corner
where the one in-game right now has a slight imperfection

[frosty root]

interesting

[fast forge]

<@&933486433342222376>

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!

apologies for the yappening though

I think i get too excited about lore though

but i love The Isle Lore

i'm glad i'm not super glued to this
as often as i look to be here (Because, really, i find myself too preoccupied with lore)

So coming in here once every few hours is really nice

with or without a solid conversation

[frosty root]

same here, i think this games lore is so awesome

we just have no information about it whatsoever so most discussions are filled with “oh itd be cool if this was real” instead of “this could mean this…”

i wish it was kind of like fnaf where they have SOMETHING to work with

we have nothing but a singular bread crumb

i really like delving into games with expansive and complicated lore, it kind of just scratches an itch in my brain ESPECIALLY this game

DONDI PLEASE ADD SOME LORE TO HORDETEST

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[frozen totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1396350852385603605/1435322479890530415/togif.gif

[hearty kestrel]

devs can you ban that guy, hes kinda a scammer

[low scarab]

<@&933486433342222376> guess they stopped giving away free nitro

[snow jasper]

noooo, i missed my chance

[acoustic osprey]

It is ok

[snow jasper]

😞

[rough hollow]

Also when the report says 'horrible screams', this is what I meant.

[acoustic osprey]

aww, i assumed it was a large 'OWWIIIEEEE"

[pine rose]

ive beeen living down there

[rough hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/pete-the-deer-datsun-datsy-foxclaw-pete-gif-25319324

[pine rose]

sorry for all the screams

[pine rose]

why did you clip this from futiles video

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243884631586111508/1493585889824342159/togif.gif

[quartz sundial]

zen

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

[tribal bobcat]

Futilesummer..

[acoustic osprey]

WHAT

[tribal bobcat]

WOAGHHH

[hoary widget]

Your pfp looks up terrified at such an image

[frosty root]

do we have any information on when we’ll have access to the atrium currently on gateway?

i think we’ll get something in a lore focused update considering the implications on what’s supposed to be inside

[lethal moat]

Nope

[frosty root]

😔

we do know (somewhat) what will be inside right?

arbourburst or something like that?

[lethal moat]

Nada

[snow jasper]

does this have the rio de janeiro filter? 😭

[snow jasper]

beautiful

[frozen totem]

who is this new guy

[flint olive]

@hardy tulip

[merry zodiac]

We don’t even know if it got snapped on hordetest or not

[young sphinx]

Cause it looked cool why else?

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1491957733216227479/caption.gif

[unborn knot]

Testing

[unborn knot]

Test 2

[acoustic osprey]

why have you done this SilkyTT

[unborn knot]

I am sorry I had to 😭

[acoustic osprey]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sulliholic-sstridor-tqX

[slate pewter]

@twilit token

So here we are this is the chat were we talk about lore

The Game's lore was also collected and wrote down by Issac in one document

[twilit token]

Is there a timeline/established lore that we have to string together?

[slate pewter]

There should be one

Realistically in the past Æ [ApolloEngineering] did modify plants for farming

[twilit token]

So we are made by Æ as the next step after plants?

And stuff went wrong

[slate pewter]

Not entirely

I assume the first generation of Dinosaurs made by Æ had died out.
We are their descendents

Tis why dinosaurs can breed and reproduce

[civic pollen]

#isle-lore-theories message

lore theories document

[slate pewter]

Thank you

[civic pollen]

🫡

[twilit token]

So we are people mind in dino body? Why does silly Dino game have disturbing lore? Are humans class 1 and 2 actual creatures you can find in game?

[slate pewter]

Ghost in the shell

Although I think that's total cringe

Adds nothing to the core and rather irrelevant

Who cares about the thoughts of an animal?

Who cares about the personality of a player playing an animal in the Isle?

[slate pewter]

So far only in lore

There were a couple of tests in the past but they can barely be called lore friendly with the best intention

[twilit token]

Humans are only lore not in game (yet)?

[slate pewter]

Not in the game in their lore friendly form

Lore is usually more than just the back story of a game

The game itself built around the lore and concept made by the devs
Not vice versa

Just like how the spreadsheets and the facility sheets were released

[twilit token]

👍 I'm still reading the doc I'll let you know if I have more questions

[slate pewter]

Sure, but ask others I don't know everything

[twilit token]

Thanks for helping me now I'm too invested not to get the game

[slate pewter]

Important lore documents
Errant incident

General site designation sheet

[twilit token]

So they found a guy with no idea how he got there and he died upon trying to leave the facility?

That sounds like some clone with a kill switch.

[slate pewter]

Sure if you think he was a regular Joe

Just a guy

[twilit token]

Did I miss something?

[slate pewter]

The torn documentation

I my theory Errant 291 was a spy.

[twilit token]

Convenient heart attack?

[slate pewter]

This is why he wanted to steal a radio signal designation sheet

[twilit token]

Or cover up

[slate pewter]

And a general alert structures and connections documents that could give any 3rd party companies a leverage to disrupt Æ operations on the Island

Basically this sheets let's you cut the line of communication between underground and above ground facilities from Olympus Command

I think those handwritten messages were made by 291

[twilit token]

I doubt he was alone if one sweep team went missing.

[slate pewter]

Dinosaurs

A flock of angry Omni or Dilophosaurus or a subadult Trex could do wonders

[twilit token]

Ahh I forgot this was a Dino game for a sec lol

[slate pewter]

I think a heartattack is a cover story the spy was dispatched by other means

But this document is important

If 291 was able to give the information to his supervisors

Then Æ could have been compromised and communication to the Island was lost

Which could result in the immediate evacuation of the Island

As furthermore safe work on the Island would not be possible

[twilit token]

So his company can swoop in and take research and dinos once everyone leaves?

[slate pewter]

Devman introduced a lot of human facilities and laboratories even a hospital which they model in a way that a lot of equipment left everywhere

[slate pewter]

Rather destroy Æ from the inside

[twilit token]

Why what is the motive?

Or is that the main hole in the lore?

[slate pewter]

I don't know

[slate pewter]

The Lore will change a lot in the future

But core things like Errant 291 will be pivotal

[twilit token]

Ok I need to go its 1am rn I'm hooked so hopefully I can become a dinosaur and join the isle in the near future.

[acoustic osprey]

well, the hope is that lore won't change a lot
As Don wrote a very large 70+ page document

but we'll know a lot more and things will change from our original theories...

which is where the fun begins

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit Not sure if anybody gave you this already, but it's handy

[slate pewter]

Based on your PFP you would enjoy Trex real good

Prehistoric chicken

[tribal bobcat]

Lore

[acoustic osprey]

i think i'm going to do a little vote, a little thing like i used to do a long time ago

just to gather opinions on what people think how lore should be implemented

basically 2 very basic but very contrasting ideas
because you can really do one or the other

[twilit token]

Bepi kinda looks like a chicken and it's one of the only ones with feathers

[slate pewter]

Environmental story telling, sunken ships, glance sheets on tables, documents, different stuff, destroyed vehicles, human facilities, human corpses, destruction that tells a story what happened

Lore videos released by devs even showing content that not in the game or doesn't take place on the Island.

Text Journals combined of environmental story telling about lore events without certainty so it leaves room for speculation

What I mean under different stuff is like a knocked over tree fell on a power transfer unit
Cuts the electric to the facility and of office chair falls on in back inside the security booth

[acoustic osprey]

more specifically about the broad idea on how to release Lore.

to sum it up for the vote when i make it:

• do you want lore to come out when its full done

or

• drip-fed style lore where whatever is made, when ready, is released. Piece by piece. Bit by bit

if that makes sense

[slate pewter]

It makes sense

Piece by piece

[acoustic osprey]

I think I’m going to do a little vote, something I used to do a long time ago, just to gather opinions on how people think lore should be implemented.

Basically, I have two very basic ideas, but they’re very contrasting…pretty much polarising.
Either you do this, or you do that, holistically, in terms of the general philosophy of making and releasing lore for The Isle, because you can really only lean one way or the other.

More specifically, this is about the broad idea of how to release the lore.
To sum it up for the vote when I make it:

Either one, do you want lore to come out when it’s fully done … released as a complete package?
Something like a proper AAA video game, especially older story games that weren’t live service, where everything is just there on release (story-wise, ignoring DLCs.).

Or the other option is drip-fed style lore, where whatever is ready gets released piece by piece, bit by bit
Its similar to games like Sea of Thieves or Fortnite.
Sea of Thieves has more of a lore storytelling approach, whereas Fortnite used to, but now it’s kind of derailed.

So yeah
I want to play devil’s advocate a bit here.

Of course, there are issues on both sides, but with the piece-by-piece approach specifically, I feel like it’s very iffy. Something I think maybe I’m leaning away from. Maybe. I think.

A lot of games lose their heart because of this system. In my opinion and from i’ve seen in my time playing games.
It’s something of a very modern idea for games, releasing something that isn’t truly complete, because it isn’t holistically finished.
Adding more and more to the story over time.
It can work, like with FNAF, but then you look at FNAF now compared to the first two games and think, what actually happened?

Scott Cawthon did piece-by-piece lore, adding to the story with each game, but it wasn’t holistically complete from the start. Turning its story into something of a very unique piece of spaghetti. People do enjoy it, but basically every FNAFer knows how jumbled and ‘bad’ the actual lore-crafting has been. Even if the individual stories are ok.
So this philosophy often leads to creatives struggling to balance quantity with quality, imo.
A lot of the time, it’s driven by production needs or money. It’s more profitable to have weekly or monthly content drops that keep player engagement up.
Which is fair.

But to me, that can feel a bit desensitised and can ruin things.
It can make authors feel like their creative work is being pushed into a system just to make money, instead of something that originally came from passion.
Starting to feel like it’s “factory made” … from the machine.

And so, I think a big issue with it all is that it becomes very “gamey.”
The way we interact with it becomes more like, “I want content, I want content,” instead of, “Here’s the full experience: Enjoy it.”

But I must admit that it's faster.
If we went with the first option, it would be slow. Terribly slow.
We wouldn’t get content for ages.

But the thing is, we’re kind of already in that in-between stage right now.
We’re just waiting and waiting.
And I’m fine with waiting, but if we’re going to wait this long, maybe it would be better to just release things when it's practically fully and actually ready.

But heck. Maybe that is the plan now.
But maybe Dondi’s plan is to drip-feed until everything is ready, because we know he’s written a lot. A lot of basis of the world - unlike with FNAF, which basically had nothing ready for the lore on the whole.

I believe in him as a creative.

I know he cares about what he’s making and is making the game how he wants it.

But at the same time, from a customer perspective and trying to think from both sides, it just feels like drip-fed lore can lose that passion … for all of us and possibly for him.
I don’t know how he feels about it, and he might not respond, which is fair.

I guess I’m just at a point where I’m thinking it might be better to have things delayed and then released in one big update.
It doesn’t mean it has to be completely binary, these philosophies. If anything, it's more of a spectrum.

For example, you could have a large initial release, maybe when Evrima becomes the main branch (just hypothetically), where a majority of the lore is added.
Not everything, but maybe around 70-75%, enough to form a real foundation.

That way, we actually have something to work with.

Because, right now, it’s really hard to form proper and better lore theories because everything is so minimal or hidden.
We only really know about the dinosaurs and small bits about other creations like humans, Gen 1s, Gen 2s, etc.

If we had a strong base, people could start making proper theories and connecting things.
Then, after that, you could still add smaller pieces over time, drip-feed in a better way, once the foundation is already there.

I don’t know.
I genuinely don’t know, though.

What do you think? What do you take from this?

I hope that made sense.

a bit of a wall though
yikes

[slate pewter]

You type a lot mate

I think I am confused

It feels about you are brainstorming

[torn monolith]

I feel like you're right on the lore needing strong base before more lore can be drip-fed to us. If there is no strong base to get people interested then the little lore what is given just will fail to connect. There is only so few of us who even know anything about the lore and all of that lore is so shaky at places.

[low scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1272585489970626591/2C02173B-3F87-4935-B114-D8D0D65A0577.gif

This w Isaac

Piece by piece vs completed:

I mean I think the lore should be done by the time we truly start getting our hands on it. But it should still be drip fed in game basically we shouldn’t be getting lore as it’s written (even if that kind of sucks atm) I kinda have a little faith that dondi knows how to cook up something good and really get us hooked if he gets invested

[low scarab]

The thing about this is that while we don’t really get to influence the game the way I wish we could in this scenario the best part is is that eventually you do actually get a large chunk of the game ironed out and ready at once vs suffering through it all

It’s sort of like the whole question of “should evrima have released later” deal. At the time everyone was almost looking for a much more complete “recode” and were disappointed at the result they got in hand but then again it had been a minute since we had gotten much in the way of isle stuff and (I would hope at least) that the community had a small hand in actually helping iron out some of the decisions that make evrima what it is rn and hopefully that trend will continue

Anyways I’m js yapping I lwk didn’t even finish reading ur message Isaac lol

[frozen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/dondi-the-isle-dext-pizza-eating-gif-21869494

[lethal moat]

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[fringe zealot]

I like to think that the humans are Apollo engineer workers who were sent to retrieve something left behind but their pickup is not coming back

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-clone-wars-begun-the-clone-war-has-gif-21159557

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jude-law-young-pope-pope-smoking-the-young-pope-gif-7447535

[civic pollen]

[acoustic osprey]

i think i'm on the side of doing a bit of both
Preferring the large basis of lore. Not just TCAMs on Dinosaurs
But lore. Worldbuilding.
The things Don talks about, but properly fleshed out and in in any way possible...

And once that happens
over time, drip fed-style after.

I think that would be a nice balance

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-stock-image-gif-27117830

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[quartz sundial]

my worry with piece by piece is that plans could be changed as the lore is coming, resulting in potential retcons and stuff

but if its all put in once its 100% done, then that wouldnt happen

but i want my lore 😔

[acoustic osprey]

thats one reason why I hope Don just, instead of just dropping things whenever they're ready piece by piece, puts a majority (like 70% or whatever. As abstract as that is) of 'lore' into the game in some way or another in one sort of big release

[quartz sundial]

mayhaps

or maybe don could draft out all the lore to finalize it, then put it into the game piece by piece (but still finalized so no retcons)

[acoustic osprey]

to be honest

it's probably the thing has has been doing

and has been doing for years now

i think we're up to like book 3 or 4 now, in terms of complete re-writing and re-formatting lots of lore for Don

Don did a big document, a whole timeline, crazy amount of pages at the beginning of last year

[quartz sundial]

bros certainly had a lot of time to iron it out lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[slate rampart]

Getting my pc back today

[acoustic osprey]

yay
but...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1491957733216227479/caption.gif

[slate rampart]

I thought I was in discussion wth!?

https://tenor.com/view/confused-shocked-no-comment-speechless-wtf-gif-22572053

[acoustic osprey]

😔

you have no idea how often this happens

specifically made that gif for it lol

[slate rampart]

I guess my thumb just be pressing shi

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

doing a bit of clean up in my folders

i think this is mostly it of notable things
I know i don't have Thenyaw

just
I don't really think there was anything truly noteworthy generally from Thenyaw lore-wise

[frosty root]

what the frick frack is Site-12?

[alpine lynx]

might be spero

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jude-law-young-pope-pope-smoking-the-young-pope-gif-7447535

[alpine lynx]

isaac is it spero.

[acoustic osprey]

Reclamation of Site 12. Code: OLYMPUS

from an old old Isle twitter post

so potentially it may have been OLYMPUS
what and where is OLYMPUS? pft...

maybe it was the early idea of what Spero would be...

[alpine lynx]

maybe

spero.... we need it

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1493587443633619106/togif.gif

[alpine lynx]

spero honestly looks better than gateway

[frosty root]

ohh thats cool

[acoustic osprey]

i have to disagree
we didn't get see much of Gateway

Spero just had nicer and more vibey lighting
which we've had close to and similar to
Which is less a map thing and more of a lighting thing

We never really got to see a proper look at the level design of it properly, though

[acoustic osprey]

quite so!

[alpine lynx]

gateway feels... so empty for some reason, especially after the removal of west access

[frosty root]

i disagree with this! Gateway is honestly a really “bland” (atleast so far!) map if thats the way to say it. From what ive seen of Spero it looked great

and also the textures on some things on gateway are….

just look at the atrium man😭

[alpine lynx]

even v3 didn't felt empty, it was cool and nice

but somehow gateway just feels... empty, i don't know

[frosty root]

v3 was, for me, brought down by the very lackluster movement in the game

a lot of the dinosaurs felt super slow and with V3 being so big i felt like i traveled just a tiny bit of the map in 2h of gameplay

and i also love just exploring environments from high above, so the lack of flyers really didnt help

[alpine lynx]

thats honestly what i liked about v3, the hugeness

[frosty root]

i like a map thats a little more compact honestly, thats the one thing gateway has going for it

[alpine lynx]

this version of gateway was great, but the current one.... ehh?

had so much lore and other potentials

[acoustic osprey]

yeah the outline of new Gateway is just...

[frosty root]

totally agree

this gateway kinda…sucks

[frosty root]

v0.20 was peak

[acoustic osprey]

compare the other outlines
new Gateway is just... yeah...

redwoods will save gateway though

[alpine lynx]

thats maybe why it feels overall bad

[acoustic osprey]

and hopefully includes LAB IX...

[frosty root]

I NEEDED THIS

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[frosty root]

doesnt feel like and island tbh

[acoustic osprey]

yeah. Its a very weird shape

[frosty root]

ehhh i wouldnt count on it

[acoustic osprey]

i don't think AE would've turned Gateway into such.
but we'll see...

[acoustic osprey]

I MUST!!

[alpine lynx]

the places had lots of potential for lore stuff...

[acoustic osprey]

send in the old leaked Gateway image 😔

[alpine lynx]

there was even some facility enterances on that island down to the right

[frosty root]

they need to bring west access back and unfrick up the textures on some things

[frosty root]

indeed they had