#isle-lore-theories
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But untill then.... 😔
I am 100% going to make such a mod, hopefully with the contributions of others
i am not very talented...
i know ts1 said he wanted to help!
I have created a community map for PC:E map contest before (environmental and decoration design part), so I would be glad to help too
uhm
[the server is stressed gif]
wow
thanks Saranova! If we DO really decide to do this
I'll definitely ask for your help!
the problem is, it would likely be done without any money behind it
That is fine I just want the same as you do 🙏
AUUGH GEN 1 JUMPSCARE
💪
NOO
Do you think we will ever see the official addition of The Reserve?
Don said the image he sent was 'generally' accurate, iirc
but i'll have to double check the quote
The image? Could you show it, please
Ah this!
Don comments:
Don — 07/01/2025 04:24
Not far off...
I meant the paintjob of the Reserve.
not sure if, by 'paintjob', Don meant the outline of the The Reserve
or the actual general ideas of things
like a "Wall of Nope", commerical area and reserve area
He meant the general idea
also i still find it funny how Don forgot he made that map outline 
i presume he was mad tired when either making the artwork or replying to us
Hahaha
(because, at that time, it seems like he was REALLY into doing ||and ultimately finishing? Although, i suppose you never can|| the "timeline" document)
Do you think the timeline document mentions the events that happened on V4?
in what way?
As in, "some island existed before/along the gateway"
Basically a mention of other islands
mmm
honestly, having a mention of some of the old islands (although not having to confirm any of their lore explicitly) would be pretty cool
We will definitely be able to find some documents that are extracts from Don's timeline document
100% !!
Sooo excited for that
SOON
Basically it can answer 50% of the questions we currently have no answer to
SOOOON!!!
although, i do think the timeline document is VERY chunk
60+ pages in Feb
i presume maybe 80-100 pages now! That would be pretty cool
I have a really STRONG feeling that the entire lore document will become a purchaseable merch at some point... 🙏
NOOO
I mean not in "oh so let's show you all the cards" but in a mystical and secret way
as cool as that would be, i would preferably like to find them in-game 😔
Maybe even an addition to in-game lore
true true, like having a lore book of sorts
Yeah!
Hmm.. I have said that, humans will probably appear this year.....
I am still keeping my word
🙏
Even with all the HT issues, it should not take that long
They are bound to come after elders aren't they
Especially after we've been told that they will be shadowdropped (first step - tested by devs), so we will hear the gunshots and explosions all over the island as humans arrive unexpectedly
Source? I do not remember that confirmation
Haven't the Devs said they wanna introduce gen 2s after they establish a proper gameplay loop for the dinosaurs?
Yeah
However, it can only be the models/animations
And the entire elder system being raw as turkey meat
We'll never know
I think elders will come after these 4
And then work on rex and trike
they really have to
there comes a point when they need to put their 'soleful purpose' into them (gen2s)
and doing it after elders would be best
The duo has just exhausted the Devs
I think, once humans get added...
It's only that time when Legacy will be deleted
Yeah
mmm
As we basically had humans in Legacy
But I think we are still 1 year off from gen 1 and 2 years off from Strains, which I am most excited for
2 years for strains?????
Minimum I'd say
I do hope it will be earlier than that, but it's a complicated mechanic/system that really needs to take time
So we might actually need to wait 2 years BEFORE developers can even begin a proper work on them
I said 2 because they can always push back the playables
Which is what is probably gonna happen soon
Seeing how the current HT went, and how long it takes to develop new creatures
It might actually be a better choice to change the direction into the game core/lore development and all the scary stuff
I am not a developer though, just my thoughts
I am fine with whatever direction we go 🙏 as we are here only to observe and consume
I don't think they would do that
Lore in music...
So if I'm right, this track currently doesn't play anywhere in the game
But what is considered to be a safe zone and where?
Sanctuary doesn't sound safe
A repaired human base? Probably
But still, it's never safe on The Island
No.......
So Tartarus is where all the failed stuff goes?
Yeah, kind of
I would say it is the place where the worst of the worst are kept alive
True that
A domain of the god of hell and underground stuff
Do you believe it is on gateway
Yeah
Do you think we will see it in game
Yes
But the entrance to it...
I think we will be able to enter it after passing the G.U.T.S. security system
Or something like that
So probably it will only be humans that can unlock this place
Mhm
Ah, I wish the "catch and transportation" system will make it's way in-game
The cages all around the map suggest u will be able to catch them atleast
Yeah
We've seen concepts of cage - vehicles entering the domes
Wouldn't be enjoyable for the dinosaurs tho
I DO wish we get something like modern games do
Like, humans get an objective "catch x dinosaur and bring it to the heavy helicopter for transportation outside the island"
Or "get the genome of x dinosaur (can kill the dinosaur after extracting)"
It would.... imagine you wake up while still in the cage, and you rage and throw it around, then break free and start attacking the humans and their vehicles
Isn't it fun?
It would, if they do it right
For me at least, the Dino lovers that don't care about the lore wouldn't fancy an interaction with humans
In which they are almost unable to do anything
But I also believe that this wouldn't stop dondi from introducing such objectives and systems
Go play community servers without humans enabled then
A perfect solution
For the people who don't like it
I really hope 🙏
Yeah
Oh the potential
This is getting me hyped
Imagine the daily global tasks..... "get a tyrannosaur genome"...
You pack a team/meet with randoms on the island, loot the island, get the gear while defending from the critters and raptors. With only half a team left, you finally track that rex down. In a vicious fight, he kills almost everyone, but you manage to tranquilize it. And the minute after you extract the genome, he wakes up and you barely make it out on your jeep
It's hands down peak gameplay 🙏
Imagine finding a rex nest
OUGH
AAAAAHHHHHHH
Aslong as everything stays lookin good, they dropping trike today
Dondi himself told me
Maybe he didnt but, j believe….
Oh crap wrong chat my bad
You have disrupted our lore meditation
hold on that mountain was NOT here before
really?
is this top of the tunnel?
ive never seen it this clear thought it was lower
Yeah that’s the ridge on the northern edge of swamp
yes
but it does look a bit weird
might just be your rendering
possbly, got low settings
lol
welp, if update today (presuming just trike)
might have to do a little exploring
presuming map will be the same
but why not exhaust yourself anyways to get it out of yah system 💪
yes!
Gotta love scouring the map every slight update for a change!!!
Replay Filter HAS camera sway
oh this is real nice
sorry for the music... but you get the idea
this is sick
this is for admin as well
which might be why this stuff wasn't working
Or they put this in for this update
either way, whoever did this. Raise!
It is sick
Only issue is that no GW_F5...
more so
no trailcam stuff, was is a bit of a shame
still really hope we can 'easily' replicate the TCAM and MCAM 'effect/overlay'
although, pretty easy to do.
Would be neat
however, no Hub it seems
tried going around on the official servers
wasn't able to find them, but too many crashes on officials lol (atm)
so fingers are crossed for the volcano Hub with or during Rex 🤞
please!!! I want volcano hub
Soon... soon...
was that a sway to mimic walking?
you went too fast 😞
the music kinda works
I KNEW IT
We heard this same phrasing already - location features?
structures or caves
big rock
Ie interesting landmarks
cool looking rock
Oh please 🥺
there is still the west rail part 
i thought don already confirmed it was for redwoods?
putting redwoods in the dome would require changes to south plains?
thats what he said i think i could find try and find where he said it later
I dont see the connection
with the exception of that river connecting the two places
it'd be pretty nice though, to see debris from the redwoods flow down from the dome and end up in and around the SP river
Or maybe the some of the redwood forest plants have escaped the dome, and can be found in surrounding areas
Finally, the HT is over 🙏
One step closer to humans
..
holy baller!!!
but wouldnt that mean they would make the ground textures around the area also redwoods
i guess we'll see
if they went that route, probably
i thought it would be cool if the new arborburst redwood strain like broke through the dome or grew flush will the roof from getting so big
we'll only have to wait and see I suppose
IS THIS UI REAL
so this is for admin cam?
how'd you even get into admin cam, taco island is down
I was thinking location feature would be droughts, since the note came originally when savanna dropped on ht
Those shallow drinking pools drying up would be a nice location feature
No
It is inbuilt
Interesting
I see
Lol
Yes
I thought you knew about it
Admin or replay
Press F1
oh
weird. It seems that when in spectator mode, clicking F1 prevents you from clicking ANY UI
will he show anything this stream?
we're getting hyped over loading screens we've seen basically a mirror image of now? 😭
whats new ig
lol
although, it is less so the design (albeit, good to see it finalised)
more so that Dondi is using it, which is most certainly a good sign
mhm
its coming soon™️
soon...
Most of it’s been overhauled
This should get you mostly up to speed https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit
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seems like it'll connect to a GUTS tunnel, which is neat
a real unique entrance
hey that was overgrown when i was there
oh thats in replay
explains it
but yeah it leads to a whole long section of GUTS
sidenote: I had no Idea we had a usable guts tunnel to the docks
semi-usable
but it is more expanded, ye
no you can straight up go from point a to point b
oh you talking about the radio tower one
sure
i just wouldn't really call it proper GUTS
because, atm, it is very linear
new as well!
well, new in the HT
and said middle section makes me think it WILL connect to the proper guts
that's why i am 50/50 on saying it is a proper GUTS tunnel atm
until then that is
but, i suppose that is coming to presumption on what I believe/want from GUTS
when, truly, we don't really understand (properly) want is the true intended GUTS
saw these peak
thanks
agreed, cannot wait
👆
also seems like replay filter no longer has a wider focal length
which is a bit of a bummer
there's still a few left of these model tunnel entrances at Britain, surprisingly
what did he stream?
Nothing isle related
Mostly chiv 2 and a Roman game, forgot the name
i would love to play for honor with him
@knotty locust
I have an insane theory guys, what if: dinosaur.
Thats what you’d think, but you’re wrong there bucko
GUH

Dinosaurs died millions of years ago, these are manufactured species that are similar
colossal lore
no full aquatic playables
i will miss labs area..
red herring!!
yet, potentially
i highly doubt
The actual 'pool' doesn't seem secure enough
especially since the fence is pretty thin and also isn't fully enclosed
honestly
time to revisit this map
I should definitely make an 'up-to-date' version
Maybe also including where the GUTS tunnel entrances are
i know Luncha said he wanted to try dot down the tunnels
WE'RE SO BACK
thats what i mean, you dont really need high enough fences for containing a fully aquatic creature
prob cus it hasnt been given attention yet 😦
most of them are gone though
now there is only 2 (or 3?)
still waiting for a fresh water source and plant spawns there
where is teno's foretold island migrations
labs area?
NEVER

there was a massive rock in some dondi stream that had a title above it (LABORATORIES)
also in-game that area seemed very WIP labs will be in soon yay..
and then they smashed it all...
then again we also had the "visitor center"
So now that the Update is out, when do yall think will they add the rex to ht?
wrong channel
red herrings....
Oh sry
i forgive you
mhm
I do hope we got some kind of guest center tho
agreed
although the idea of a flodded visitor centre at swamp was and is interesting
Cant wait for GUTS and some larger human areas to explore
*we technically already have guts!! 🫠 *
the outposts are nice but they are just outposts
just yeah, soon... soon we'll get more interconnected web
well
redwood?????
soon
tm
hell yeah
its my fav biom, i w8 it SOOOO much
i will survive until the next lore drop
i will survive the isle
The isle has lore?
oh buddy
@acoustic osprey
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all of us mate, all of us
bro even has lore tag, generational bait 😭
😭
If perimeter doesn’t have clear panels how are the plants supposed to get sunlight?
Ae just gonna have a bunch of lights?
The panels may be darkened just because it isn’t a finished building, but also to reduce the strength of the tropical sunlight to more acceptable levels for redwoods
Redwoods typically live in areas that get daily fog, so a lower light level might not be so bad for them
It had transparent panels at some point
GUTS??? OR mentioned???!!!
Personally, I would kill for an AE worker village
we already know most employees worked on site
There's also this aspect of an equatorial island - it receives more photons per square meter because of the angle and shape of the globe
So a sunshade might make sense just to reflect some % of photons away from the more sensitive redwood biome
Goah I hope we get proper spooky fog in the atrium
Hi
too late
Oh....
AE 001 had such a place with actual interiors
I hope they bring it to proper light on Gateway or 'compatible' map
Depending on the map situation on lore
yeah i remember that
Although, there would have to be a village on Gateway
Seeing as they're expatriates
some sort of workers' abodes
I just specifically want an above ground one, as I could totally see underground "apartments" of sorts being a thing
in GUTS
Yeah
I can see LAB IX containing housing modules
Anyone have the name and/or concepts of the Isle concept creature that would start out like Pteranodon sized and sucking blood and evolves all the way to like ginormous ocean predator?
Matriarch, those are unofficial concept arts of a confirmed creature, we don't know what it does look like
Thank you both!!
art by Tapwing as well!
oh no, more so I mean that maybe LABS IX might have its own housing module for itself
although, i am going off a bit of headcanon
because i really want to see some of the lvl 1 rooms of LAB IX
that is
https://gyazo.com/01a1288176a3afcaff6d3a6b77479320
this room
and this warehouse
https://gyazo.com/369cf23c297f0c64eeb932233234cdde
this giving me kitchen vibes
which just seems a bit weird for a "LAB"
Of course, i haven't actually bean to a lab in a while - although i should, my Mum works in one.
So i don't actually know if it is customary to have a whole kitchen section
alas, we do see a cafeteria (ish) section in LAB IX - so i am not surprised that there is a kitchen
hence why i could imagine a modular section nearby or connected to LAB IX with a little (underground, presuming. Since this is still part of GUTS) village
this isn't really proof of anything.
But i am leaning, currently, into the idea that that place is a kitchen
mainly because of the singular thing next to the door in the image i am replying to
but also because there is, in the cafeteria, a few doored 'food tray' holders
not sure of the official name of those
I suppose fridges work (just unsure if they're for keeping the food warm or cold)
thinking back at this though
this section being just outside of LAB IX (behind the 'entrance')
it looks like the sink model we have
although, the facade of it looks weird
honestly, though, thinking about it.
it might just be 'outside' the prefab (LAB IX) on the VisualTech testlevel
Even if underground sections had food section/miniature kitchen, it would be all frozen and preserved
It is better to keep a few cans of soup/instant noodles and snacks that have a very long expiration date, than ordering a full pack of vegetables, meat and other stuff that might expire in the next 48 hours
that was a punchpacket grade pun
😭 yes
Gluten tag
rule 7 
On today's topic
Do you think humans will have nutrient/diet mechanic aswell? And how important it will be
Eh, nah
I think there might be a cooking mechanic to not get debuffs, but I don’t think humans will get diet managmemt
Hmm
Food poisoning will be there for sure...
A cure for troodon venom?
Do you think we will be able to create compounds to then be injected into the caught dinosaurs?
And to observe the effect
As in doing some lab stuff I mean
Daily quests as humans....
Lab stuff I think so, catching dinosaurs, I doubt it, quests are a no
To unlock new gear!!!
Yeah quests are no
But I am not in doubt for catching the dinosaurs 🙏
THE WHAT HAHAHHAA
Bruh
perhapsably
talking about the LAB IX section
it looks pretty sizeable for a proper kitchen
also I think AE can afford a few hucks of beef for their workers
import from australia
if anything
I doubt they'd be 'cooking MREs in those 'fridges' on the right
maybe for on the go stuff? Maybe for Gen2s? HOWEVER they may be used for work, if at all
(need more info...)
I think AE probably used actual human workers for most things
maybe gen2 for field usage though?
since they have better endurance incase they need to run
it is a potential
we were given the impression Gen2s could be workers, via Don some time after the Dibble TCAM vid came out due to the Gen2 model being in it
but yeah, to what extent
||however, getting written lore on Gen2s would always be a lot more defined and helpful||
mhm
and knowing that the timeline doc is, exists, hopefully that means stronger continuity and faith in those lore things not changing from now on
chances are, actually, gen2s are EIPs of real humans
idk why i didnt think of this already
mhm
honestly I'd see the EIPs don confirmed being more centered around gen2 than the dinosaurs
I mean, why exactly would you want to be in the body of a dinosaur fighting for your life?
yeah
we don't need Evrima lore to have to match up with in-game stuff
as in, we don't need meta lore
lol
my favourite word for that relates to this idea of 'lore = gameplay' is "ludonarrative"
how the intersection of narrative and gameplay intersect with each other
Don tried to justify everything in-game with lore (and vice versa)
which shows A LOT of dedication
but
it isn't necessary, truly, even as good as it was,
though I congratulate him with how far it was able to be done - intentional or otherwise
...mhm-
201,957.999, 56,956.943, 20,413.992
I imagine this is already very well known as ive not played since before the update but the swamp has pipes
that lead into undeground tunnels
Yeah
would be a funny way for tiny-small tiers to travel to different areas safely, like one way could lead to a cave underground or a facility, and the other way could lead to a dome or sum, or like right behind a waterfall so you can jump into sp river
i love to imagine it functioning and have "high risk high reward" for traveling
its high risk of getting flooded by high pressure water, the reward is safe travel.. if that doesnt happen to u
any ideas why this place's abandoned? why'd Apollo leave Gateway?
the short answer is "we dunno really"
so far we believe AE's retreat to be related to what we call "the incident"
which is an event or series of events/time period where something went wrong, but we dont know how exactly
obviously there are some storytelling aspects to the environment that can give us hints (like unnaturally destroyed parts of fences and structures) but we dont know any details
I’m thinking it was intentional/planned
theres some aspects that dont say "planned" to me, specifically the giant holes or breaks through the massive concrete fences and now the water access facility
as well as how a bunch of stuff is just... laying around
but i dont know how much of that is from the incident or really part of the cause for the island's abandonment
lots of that couldve happened before and never been fixed or have happened afterwards
intentional by AE or a rival?
because, just coming from a financial standpoint, it makes 0 sense for a company to destroy one of it's own major facilities
Destroy and abandon aren’t the same, though even if it isn’t intentional, AE can probably spin it some way to benefit the company
still seems unlikely
Before I read into the lore a little deeper I always thought that something so bad happened that they considered leaving the islands infrastructure as a necessary sacrifice and instead use the gen 2s as a sort of skeleton crew
What I always wanted to know was how did AE shield its operations from governments/other authorities. Surely some satellite would of seen the Perimeter and other infrastructure at some point and got people wondering "Hey I wonder what that thing is?"
at least, right now
it doesn't seem like it would be worth abandoning Gateway
there is damage, yeah. But nothing you couldn't come back to
although we know, iirc, AE had been attacked by peoples/groups
hence Gen1s
where we know things like TOMB being attacked
knowing as Don said it was eradicated
unless Tomb was intentionally eradicated? Which seems like a no
since this #isle-lore-theories message
Therefore, it seems 'rival companies ||or individuals/smaller groups|| eradicated TOMB' is the outcome
If they really wanted to abandon gateway they could've just...pulled an ingen from the novels
The Incident.
u saying time period made me think of timeline...
what if in the original timeline AE got "The Incident" and closed and maybe got destroyed in a rival corp fight (old logo AE, also 94-99 one)
but AE originally thought of, and succeeded in other timelines to make a machine that can switch between universes (like rick and morty) that made the successful AE in other timeline to travel (in current time period) to another universe where AE failed, (hence the futuristic AE logo) and there might be a major reason for their come back
i love how i can come up with completely off track theories that u still cant say is 100% a myth
Errant 291
yeah shirley mention in errant is a bit out of place
GOKI too ig is wrong
RE seem like HE/HF
Yeah
i doubt it is Shirley tbf
the S is definite
but the H? eh... maybe
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1371459087291912244/Aba.png?ex=6859ec8e&is=68589b0e&hm=62a37b0c87b0aaa7d46e594060f2d98f76df924f5ae6613010f32b5f07451152&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1371459087836905472/Aba2.png?ex=6859ec8f&is=68589b0f&hm=fc24e65d3e842e58de660fc176fbd679c1cafbdd3a9600ed244a210f4293c910&
which is
because it has a line in the middle
like an P or F
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yay...
Hi!! Missed you
But no
However, we saw this in Don stream
intermission
Oh I missed a stream?
So they're definitely getting closer with UI overhaul
Just a casual stream
I see, neat
Ye
why is the map all messed up
It spins
^
Spins and only the land mass is oblique, so the oceans are see through
Same thing happens in the lore videos
not anymore
shucks that would be cool
Hasn't been in a long long time...
Sorry
yeah ik

man im sad PCG never came out
i rememeber the isle might have had a PC lroe connection at one point, but it never ended up happening
It did have at some point
Quite so
It did and was supposed to be fully implemented in Recode (end of the Hope. trailer)
Title: “The Isle of Soprano” (Discord-Safe Edition)
Tony Soprano had seen a lot in his day—whackings, wiretaps, even his nephew’s screenplay—but nothing prepared him for the mess that was game development.
It all started when A.J. brought home a new Steam game called The Isle.
“It’s like, dinosaurs, Dad,” A.J. said between gulps of Mountain Dew. “But it’s brutal. You spawn, starve, die—sometimes from thirst. It's a metaphor, I think.”
Tony wasn’t sure about metaphors, but he was sure he liked dinosaurs. Big, scary, toothy bastards? Fuggedaboudit. So he tried it.
Three hours later, after dying of dehydration as a baby Stegosaurus in the same patch of grass ten times in a row, Tony slammed his keyboard.
“Who the f#@k made this game?!”
Enter Dondi.
Tony called a sit-down. Not with the five families—but with Dondi.
They met in a Jersey diner. Dondi wore a black hoodie and sunglasses inside. Tony wore a tracksuit and suspicion.
“So lemme get this straight,” Tony said, biting into a sausage sandwich, “you got thousands of kids playin’ this game, dying in the mud, and you ain't even finished it?”
“It’s early access,” Dondi said, sipping his espresso like a Bond villain. “Vision takes time. Art takes sacrifice.”
“So does runnin’ a crew,” Tony snapped. “But when I promise someone a GTR, I don’t give ‘em a fr!ggin’ tricycle.”
Dondi raised an eyebrow.
“Look, it’s not that simple—there’s AI, migration systems, complex networking, dinosaur balancing—”
Tony held up a finger.
“Balancing? My fat a$$ got yeeted off a cl!ff by a Tenonto. Twice.”
Later that week, Paulie and Silvio launched "Operation Dino." They showed up at the dev studio.
“Alright fellas,” Silvio said, waving a copy of Dino Crisis 2, “this is how you make a dinosaur game. Capisce?”
Meanwhile, Paulie kept muttering, “What the h#ll’s an Evrima? Sounds like a new strain of COVID.”
They made Dondi an offer: Tony would bankroll development, but only if:
The T-Rex wore a gold chain.
The map included a strip club called The Prehistoric Bing.
All baby dinos had to pass a licensed Gabayool check before growing up.
In the end, The Isle: Soprano Edition launched. It was a mess—half the servers were down, and every time you logged in, you heard Tony’s voice yell:
“You come into my swamp without a herd? That’s a death sentence, kid.”
But it sold a million copies.
Dondi got rich.
Tony finally got to be the apex predator.
And A.J. got banned for team-killing and calling someone a "f@ke raptor main."
Moral of the story: Never trust a guy who says “early access” like it’s a personality trait.
Or a guy in a tracksuit who wants to “invest” in your dinosaur game.
"soprano edition"
what
It could have happened like that
thanks for catching it
ironsights
just thinking about this again from Jan
i kinda wish we got the updated gun camera (and maybe also that new pistol)
but lets be honest
no real reason till Gen2s are main priority
PCG?!?!
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this gun's in game but not used
(you mean in the file)
awwww and it was never released? why tho? is isle related to why?
ye ye in game files but not used
i actually do not remember why PCG never was released
it was ages ago now
ofc u do know 😔
2019? before or after
The physical part of what you would expect to be the Replicator has a decided physical form, yes. It probably wouldn't be seen. But it's in notes. It has a concept that's been made.
It has no place in the game islands.
Just thinking about this
i wonder what counts as 'the physical form'
would you include the sub-systems like TOMB?
if so, would that therefore mean TOMB is not on Gateway?
i suppose it really depends on the context
I see TOMB being a facility full of servers from which most of the island is operated
It also contains all input and output information
Smth like that data center
exactly
Did Visual stream ?
figured haha nice
he posted another one but i alt tabbed as soon as he did it...
i know it sounds bad, but would it not appear in the discord message logs, unless vis deletes them there
as an admin, i would definitely take a peak
it would
rumple...
luncha...
🙏 luncha......
there probably isn't a thing for it because it is only a VisualTech thing lol 
😂
I will do what he did
ty
AUGH
yoinked
also someone probably got it already but there’s one he left 3 months back
definitely got this design going around
which is sick
I tabbed over at the right time
You did indeed
👀
ohhh yes this one
ye someone got this
i remember this actually
wait, Luncha
you aren't in lorecord aren't you
it was the ones with the pipelines
might be thinking of the LAB IX version
i don’t believe so
here, 58
would you like to join the lorecord... mayhaps
just potentially
'most' of Vis's stuff that he deletes is there
nothing really secret besides us reviving some of the 'corrupted' stuff in the lore videos
😔
woohoo!
I see a paper, must be lore 
lol
plot twist
AE is a soviet corp
this brutalist design reminds me of the soviet union's designs n stuff
-# acting like it wasnt the trend everywhere back then...
WE save the world 🙂
WE fix climate
WE ALL RAID THE TOMB !!
Doubt it’s a Soviet company just because AE actually managed to finish their infrastructure projects
And didn’t leave them incomplete..

oh thats prob something US would do
yeah
AE seems akin to a corpocracy
Indeed
something like world/international organizations ?
yeah i always thought that
no, opposite
privately owned
but has a strong hand in international governments (as alluded by Don)
funding
even tho everyone would've loved to see it happen
i see
Although
places like this with 'papers'
just seem to be marketplace stuff 🫠
Yea likely
:\
My theory is that the Isles spino is super genetically modified to the point of them having behavioural issues and having tons of cancerous issues leading them to be territorial and aggressive while having having a shortish lifespan compared to other species
what is your basis for this? evidence?
Jokes aside,
I do feel like Spino will have some interesting Lore
My evidence is that the isles Spino is very different and I think everything else would be cool/make sense
What other evidence is there
tbh this just sounds like a headcanon
Maybe but it’s a theory based on how different the spino is. For Spino to be this different, there must have been heavy genetic changes which must have some side effects I’d assume. My theory may not have a lot of evidence but I’m going off with what I got
I hope so, something rough and painful I’d imagine
i wouldn't be surprised
Don seems to want more unique behavioural traits for each species
especially evident in the glance sheets
so we'll likely see stuff on Spino lore once its glance sheets is made (if Spino will get one)
Yeah
Surprised Trike didn't get one.... but it'll probably come with the GUTS Hubs I guess...
i mean
going off the old Don quote
i didn't expect one to be fair...
however, am hoping we get some of them soon once
it'll likely be during Rex HT or once Rex is out
THAT IS
presuming the Volcano Hub is done
which hopefully is the prerequisite Don was talking about
it has been some time though, so can't rely on it though...
yeah..
more than half of current isle lore theories is headcanon
i mean
over the years, the channel has certainly turned away from just strict theories
hence why i petitioned to rename this channel into lore discussion
because headcanons aren't inherently bad or anything
joe mama isnt bad
😭
https://strawpoll.com/3RnYlKGE9ye
please sign my petition
but this is serious though
this channel has seriously evolved since 2018
it would be far more fitting to have this channel just be named what the other channels are
I feel like Isle lore Theories is too iconic to change 😔
fair lol
honestly dont see a reason unless we get a channel dedicated to lore theories
but i will still agree to see it changed
i mean
a lore forum channel would be interesting, like in lorecord
but...
Oh yeah
i can imagine the amount of s-posts lol
yeah
yea
Hey guyz ... Im back after 2 months .... Any lore updates ??
Nope.. nothing..
I really think this might be the monorail
I doubt it
Would be awkward to add it in now since Im not sure where it would connect/loop? We don't have the special GUTS Entrances for Monorails, or at least we didn't see them yet.
mayhaps, yeah
ehh the map is pretty unfinished, I don't think many would care if it's just cut off
I care...
I hated it when the Eastern Fences were connected.. because they were just floating over the ground with foliage inside it...
I mean I wouldn't want it to ruin any vistas, but little things in areas that get little traffic, I couldn't care less
F5
thanks
yeah I'm thinking it would run across south plains and up into west rail
the cut off ends would be in west rail jungle (it could just run into a mountain until they get a proper entrance) and where swamp meets south plains
It's just lazy.
because it's temporary
idk maybe it runs through swamp as well
but it's not like they can just drop the entire map all as one big update, they gotta break things up
I mean, your fences are cleaned up, right? it was just a few months
So then why not drop the entire monorail system?
Just make them go into cliffs, let them phase through trees, whats the problem, its just temporary right? 
Months, yes.
I'm saying this because they have a lot of the topography of that pretty well laid out, with a pretty clear path for the monorail to follow
why not drop the entire GUTS....
So then why not drop the entire thing?
And then get criticism for it being buggy, weird-looking, or just simply lazy-work.
might be the case with the Hub though
instead of putting it in like how it was in HT
they removed it
likely till it they complexify the tunnels systems a bit more, it seems
The key is to present it neatly 
because the hub itself was done, visually
Thanks
why
just not externally, of course
I think they're waiting to connect all the entrances(3) at Volcano to release it.
And then expand on it, adding more levels, and perhaps connecting to the Eastern Docks
it seems like it
but both entrances were ready in HT
so they're likely, maybe, labryinthing/spagetting the tunnels a bit more?
to be fair, i was expecting GUTS to be a bit more spaghetti-like
although we've only seen two basic tunnels atm
so it could be needing quality checks (volcano hub)
Yeah I think they are making the tunnels more complex
hopefully
Friendly reminder: Fuzzy's volcano theory
It should be, but I don't think we'll be seeing the further in parts of it anytime soon
We've seen, like, entry points
That only go a little ways in
In fact I don't really personally see any of the tunnels currently on the map as GUTS
But rather tunnels that lead or connect to it
What is it? I forgot
Brb
I'm too lazy to find my original post which was worded much better, but basically, shortest version possible: My volcano theory is that AE manually triggers volcanism as part of a global cooling plan
Hence volcano base
are you including the Volcano Hub though? That seems to be the 'next' thing, from Visual
I think volcano hub would be its own thing
But connected to GUTS
Obviously
Because GUTS is the system between facilities
Ah
Triggers volcanic activity? To create islands and such?
Yeah but creating islands is the less likely part of my theory
But also my favorite part
Because I'm fairly certain multiple maps in legacy lore were meant to be manmade
I'mma get a picture of young rocks
Basically new terrain is very jagged
Then it smooths out
And I remember some legacy maps feeling like that
And legacy lore had a longer time scale so it would fit
Hub is supposed to be a part of GUTS
How have I never seen that post
lol
Almost a year ago too
yeah... crazy to think how long ago it was
I've actually been in the mood to play Isle to check out the new structures but can't because of a join crash that only I seem to experience
fair fair
because you are fuzzy
are there any dedicated discord servers for the lore of the isle?
Yes
I'll send you a link to the server if you'd like
Pls do
Sent
Screams
Starting work on my augustus script
Woohoo
Wooo
something i was thinking about (from lorecord)
if it makes any sense
https://strawpoll.com/e6Z2A6vj7gN
strawpoll as well, if you want to vote on such
with partially unknown, you could also say "Open-Ended Lore"
where there is still a core element of theory being used to glue things together
guh
im sorry....
I think you should actually announce it in Lorecord
I think a final puzzle piece is best however I’m not opposed to a small amount of theorizing left but nothing close to 50/50 only smth like “I think this person did this action because this other in lore reason”
i see, i see
i say this because
I think i prefer the game not trying to confirm everything for us
realistically, more akin to what the original FNAF game does
giving us the clues, evidence and ideas
then allowing us to make the timeline off from there
cause, on one side
I would LOVE to see Don's timeline document
but on the other
Should we have that? To have it all?
for me, i think it would ruin the proper mystery-embedded in isles lore since legacy
but, i understand wanting to have the main things properly given
however, i don't mean we don't get evidence for 'the final puzzle' piece though
if that makes sense?
Fair which I’m not opposed to
hope that makes sense
I just think the lore should tell a story of sorts and a story needs a good end and fulfilled plot however a story is better when there’s a little bit left to have conversation about
I wouldn’t go that far
i suppose that is what i mean with this:
-Fully Solved (Everything Confirmed)
-Partially Unknown / Open-Ended (Some Mystery Left)
It never hurts to leave a little room so you can build off the story into maybe a spinoff
i don't mean we're in the open end of everything
more so that we can never know The timeline to the fullest extent (for the 'partially unknown option')
Think of it like rdr2 if your familiar with the story
We get most the answers we find out who’s the rat etc etc we know the ins and outs of almost all the characters but there’s still room to discuss characters like Dutch like if he was really evil all along or if smth happened along the way pretty simple thought but gets the idea across
And spoilers I guess
Fair but I wouldn’t call it 50/50
I mean a near completed story with a few open areas for smaller discussion nothing large
Eh true
I still lean towards being able to figure out the entire timeline although like I said before some small open ended topics only contribute to the longevity of it ig
in terms of that would be the final outcome of that option
the thing is, my question is how we figure out the entire timeline
because i do agree/see your RDR2 point — but the storytelling is completely different, that it would be hard to replicate so therefore a bit hard to compare imo — the only thing is that one of the points is 'using theories via lore extracts (evidence) to properly connect the pieces in correctly' (such a pieced timeline never being fully confirmed by the game; i.e. the game isn't telling you that you pieced the pieces right, etc) versus the other which says 'the game is telling you the timeline explicitly' (one way of doing it being likely done by Don just splitting his timeline into several pieces then hiding it around the map / websites / videos etc)
with RDR2
its storytelling elements derrive from first person linear (although, still openworld. So a tiny bit non-linear. But still pretty linear) storytelling
Versus something like The Isle, which cannot set itself within such a font. Therefore its lore has to be scattered non-linearly around several maps, mediums etc
i.e. very ARG-esque with The Isle, unlike what RDR2 is able to do
Right right and obviously like you said rdr2 is entirely different form of story telling but how we get the lore Js gets complicated in my head and in a perfect world I imagine we have a mix of in game puzzles or YouTube videos or other content which guides us in a certain direction and ultimately after a period of time solving each we organize everything into a timeline of our own
yeah
Although I do recognize how difficult accomplishing this in a feasible way gets complicated and takes serious effort
i think the poll question really join boils down to
would you want us to try and solve the timeline
or us to be given the timeline
honestly, i think that is a better version of the original question
of course
So idk it’s a little much for my tired brain atm but I think proper story telling would be done mostly by in universe themed hints I guess
stuff like the Lore Hunt, i imagine, would be terribly hard to do
especially once you start to complicate it
seeing as it was supposed to be a test, per se
fair fair
so i think you might be leaning towards this answer then, i suppose
imagining i made the question a little bit better lol
of course
But I mean I feel like this is too straight forward I feel like most any of us lore losers expect and want to actually solve the timeline ourselves not just be spoon fed all the lore from don in this discord channel
nothing is ever linear / binary
We want the ideas and pieces don normally tells us in this discord to be communicated through in game items or similar
yeah
it is hard to complicate the question
but it really comes down to many many many variables (CHAOS THEORY!!!)
those variables being the many different ways Don wants to communicate a different quality/aspect of lore
well thats the thing
I think we're getting bit tired (ish) of being given soft lore
albeit, it is nifty
i think we yearn to go back to a more hard lore period of isle lore
akin to the legacy of old
where we're getting more themed content, rather than Don having to tell us "X" and "Y"
I mean people dedicate careers to similar jobs like this it’s just something that needs to be taken into account when designing how your going to implement the lore especially in a game like the isle that takes a more niche type of gameplay loop
we're definitely at a point to say
Don doesn't need to give us that soft lore stuff anymore, as the game is practically ready (in our point of view at least) to try and do its best in communicate "lore"
quite so
Fair I think that a small amount of mystery and open ended area is good but we should be able to at least have the basis to theorize the rest with reasonable accuracy don didn’t write all this lore to just hand it to us on a silver platter and neither did he write it for us to never have the opportunity to actually find it all
for me, the mystery that i refer to is the ability to properly theorise
instead of the mystery that we just have nothing on our table, so we're squeezing as much as we can from as little that we have
It really is chaos theory lol it’s like technical debt for everything we have human limitations
which is something i actually talked about a few weeks ago when Ts1 brought it up
(the idea of the two kinds of mystery that we can/do have in The Isle)
lol
Yea I mean although I love reading it we want something to chew on we want a puzzle to be able to work on with our own heads on our own time and we can’t entirely expect don to be a professional puzzle designer and neither are all of us like cryptographers or smth lol
Gets even more complicated when you begin to factor in the actual state of the video game itself is it in a position where dondi can implement stuff like that or are there larger foundational priorities that need to be given attention first
just being able to properly piece up a timeline is and will be certainly a good point for all of us
But yeah, of course about Don. At least, Don certainly has experience coming back to legacys time
so hopefully he has been cooking stuff up
Well I mean with that I more or less agree?
Oh jeez I’ll have to read this in the morning lol
Ok ok
yeah
however, for me, it really seems like we're at the tail end
the main playables are in (Rex is almost in)
The main end of the gameplay loop is almost in (Elders)
for me, I think after these are in (give or take, including UI overhaul) we're really in a period where the devs should put priority into Gen2s
that is just my personal opinion. Hopefully that includes slotting in more priority for lore storytelling in-game
as much as i like seeing lore in P3 and the youtube, I am curious if Don wants more stuff 'in-game' — or if it'd be just papers hidden in "X" area, etc
What i mean is that I believe we're in a proper drought of lore, and we have always been with Evrima
But, therefore,
there is a mystery brought about from this, because we lack so much
Where a mystery is made via a 'minimal' amount of 'content'
versus mystery as a main theme as part of the lore
where this mystery theme allows us to theorise the timeline
instead of the game telling us
Yea of course and with that I honestly have no doubt don is excited to get at again but that’s just one bullet you have to bite when building a more complex (I guess) game you’ve got a lot of other things on your head you gotta balance and dons a human he’s got things outside of the isle he’s got the various other topics between actually designing the game running a brand and on top of all that designing and entertaining way to sequence lore for all of us it’s just one thing at a time
#isle-lore-theories message
which is what i suppose you're getting at here
was just curious, more so, on your opinion/definition of mystery in this context
of course
For sure and we are following a developing game so lore bits (as we are all so familiar with) aren’t always going to be found at a prepositioned time
Yep and I mean that’s just the nature of the beast atm in my eyes
I mean obviously we will probably get some form of what we are looking for but in its current state we will be in a drought of lore until dondi really is ready to kick it off
After all it’s his game he knows what he wants to do with it
yeah, at least i am curious on if Don wants to go down that route
By giving us the timeline, it is destroyed - i would say
and vice versa if not
of course
As annoyed as I could be
i've been here for quite some time now... i don't mind how Don wants to do it, in the end
Like I want there to be some intrigue where we can discuss something minute that doesn’t effect the overall world building or direction if someone writes a complete story it’s there for us to actually know all aspects of that story but it’s more entertaining if we have a little bit of wiggle room I guess to slot in some minor ideas here and there I still wish we truly understand the whole basis of the lore
a bit like ERRANT-291?
albeit, though, I do believe the subtext of that piece is relatively hefty to the worldbuilding
in contrast to the character himself, which we know will just be (like many others) a one time thing - minute
Yea your an old soul around here lol
But yea we can’t expect perfection just kind of accept it’s a developing game
exactly
You taught me the basics a we time ago
and in the end, it is always good to recognise that whatever you don't make ... isn't yours
So you can't expect everything to orientate to your liking, most definitely
Yep yep
Such is life such is life
quite so
we do have a lot of things to talk about, most certainly
We’ve been missing a lot of cool stuff
especially stuff like the Reaper and plant strains!!
still thinking if we should try and get an interview with Don for the lore podcast
That would be awesome but no shot
probably not
but if we do. I think i need to get all of us to build tons of questions
but even then, i think we're still a bit too early to be having a long QnA (in terms of lore)
quite so
Oh yea we should definitely try to prepare a lot of questions pull everybody together etc etc
But yes we are early into the grand scheme of things even if it really feels like forever
i watched a good interview between someone and the creator of Fnaf
he did it really well. Basically had 20-30 questions and, bit by bit, went through them
rather than just a casual convo
Heck yea
Nah it would be super cool but it’s just something don would obviously need to be on board for
i could probably yap until the end of the world about isle lore on a podcast... so having dedicated questions is definitely a better way lol
most certainly
i think the general idea of it is for the 10th anniversary of Isle
as a proper Lore QnA for the podcast
Can’t we all
and then a summary video on my Channel
But yea structure would be a must
That would be a great idea
I guess keep it on our heads and cross that bridge when it gets a bit closer
Speaking of 10th anniversary
Or ig js anniversary
I need to finish smth regarding lorecord thing
mmmm
@hallow ruin We need to lock in
17 supposed GUTS entries I have marked down but if you want to include those on the exterior Island plus the 3 joined ones at the Harbor then that's roughly 28
do you have a map? 👀
I was going to mark them down on the Grid Map today but no time. I do have each cords for the 17. I will note these are almost everything entry-wise..basically all to my knowledge known
Also the Grid isn’t up-to-date, some locations like the Harbor for example is not on there
aye, yeah
I have been needing to update it (just cause the previous one is supposed to be akin to what we got from the dibble video but... of course... Gateway has changed quite a bit painfully lol)
Ahh, fair, I will start just a dot point sometime later tomorrow maybe using the Grid
Just clarifying on the 3 joined ones. There are 3 parallel entries that have been shut on the northern part
thanks!
i'll also try and map an updated map though for convenience 
How does Gateway generate it's power? I would assume they use a nuclear reactor somewhere underground because there is no visible power plant on the island. Also there doesn't seem to be any vents for generator exhaust coming from the ground so that rules out generators. The water access dam could serve as a hydro plant but the flowrate is too low for generating enough power for large structures (aviaries, etc.). Also the volcano doesn't seem active enough for geothermal power. So the only logical solution would be an underground nuclear reactor. Also they seem to transport the electricity between ranger stations via electricity lines in the ground because I would assume that any overground electricity lines would be devoured by a DUI carno or some pteras. Lmk if you think otherwise or something.
Geothermal and hydro power are popular ideas, because volcanoes and large dams
ya. Hopefully when the guts open I can know more
Redwood origin theory
Redwoods were brought to the island as small saplings and using the H-strain the AE managed to boost the plant's growth so they all grew in no-time
Except they also do....whatever it is on concept art
So it turns out that all sequoias might be genetically modified strains
Probably with some exceptions of little sapplings left in the lab to compare the growth speed
im fricking going insane 💀
Monster redwoods in perimeter
Exactly
Someone should really make a video like this but on gateway https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=leQArPFGBtg
Have you ever wondered how deep does the Siofra Well goes? Whether the Shadow Keep is taller than a skyscraper? How much turkey could you fry in the Forge of the Giants?
Credits to @MoxieWatts and @Banuune for figuring out the connection between Raya Lucaria and the Aachen Cathedral!
All the measurements have been taken in Smithbox:
https://gi...
I think others in this channel did a similar thing for the isle's domes, using ceratos as a unit of measurement
Standard American measurement
I like 341 toaster measurements
Lore
Sounds about right
if it ain't broke, don't fix it
lol
👆
Map
I would consider the imperial system broke but whatever
A system based on the size of different Dinosaurs; however, would be excellent
If we overlay it on this, are there any similarities
Perfect
I will try this, is there a clearer image?
Not a clue
GUTS entrances?
Yes
pretty sure it's missing 2 or 3 in this area
I did not include as you probably noticed the exterior island, also K15 has a hangar that has a staircase that goes underground
Oh
Let me see
Oh yeah I did forget, there are 3 one at that rock and the other two a little near West Rail
Vulnona has two already but the third is missing
likely yes, but only a tiny bit less compressed
it'll be somewhere on my PC or laptop
Not the prettiest as both photos are different sizes but I think the general idea is there
oh wow that is interesting
It’s funny looking at the structures on that map and then comparing them to the ones seen on that stream
Like that transistor on the bottom left
what is this? 
I needed to take insperation from VHS right?
but at the same time the isle is set in the 2170s
i dont think they use vhs at that age bro
@fallen estuary said this regarding a TrailCam fan-made video for lore we're making
but this actual made me question... is it?
@acoustic osprey what do you think abt what i said here.. does this actually build up with the new isle logo
convincing but im still not convinced
you are aware we play in current time
and augustus was in 94-99 possibly
BUT
the dibble vid was different? also the time period was actually current time judging but the "community event"
is the game gonna be like RDR1/2
where theres some conflict and connection between two time periods
by that i mean, augustus was actually in 90s
dibble was in 2170s
hence maybe the few subtle differences in AEs system or naming or coordination
knowing WE are the search team.... its surely in X (current ) time
whether its 2170s or not
so the company is gonna be 200 years old?...
thats cool
now this is where im going
this explains the 2 logos
and explains the delusionality of the lore to some degree
i know isaac mentioned it in the water tanks logo
not AUGUSTUS, just the roadmap
AUGUSTUS's computer dates were blacked out
but this is a new observation... all of these clues building up within 1 year period lowkey gives me the sense its real
ah my bad i didnt double check
but cuz it didnt really matter i knew it was one of these two, and roadmap should be cannon, no?
potentially canon
it is fair to assess the UI intentions to be, give or take, canon
rather than the content given
knowing somebody had to pt that in manually means it was considered, yeah
IF they wanted it not cannon
they could've blacked it out yk
Insanity
the dome, the a few outposts
Jokes on you, americans don’t determine my opinion
I prefer snopes for my fact checks
looking back at this
there is a small but surprising number of them that actually match
specifically at the volcano, which didn't seem as defined in the leaked map
but also north west of The Atrium
at this point
so, clearly some of the old ideas for Gateway MUST'VE actually made their way into 'modern' Gateway over time
guh, this area
makes me remember when Don first teased at something at this bay that STers would be able to try
sad that we didn't see it
(south east of the original east dome)
alongside, gives me nostalgia to one of Don's old streams in 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5zm-c8gnc&t=3091s
Hopefully everything is arranged and such. Had to render it in pieces and one tried to escape...the time adds up, so everything should be there, but the order......hopefully it's okay.
Amarok's didn't really have anything of note, but I might scrounge something up for it. The other Dondi stream started as I was working on this one laugh. Visual...
which had this moment
we never really got anything in that area nor anything akin to that sound in-game
TSL
time... species... location...
Totally... Suspicious... Lacrosse
although
technically put it a few months later
as TLS
not like the acronym really matters though lol
Ah yeah, was going to say maybe the sound que from that stream was strictly human related




