isle-lore-theories

[snow jasper]

There is something interesting on this date (of the first picture) though however, this is the same date as when the survivors of the titanic arrived in Plymouth, England

[muted hill]

I can just make out the name Charlotte Ethan bottiel(?)

[fast forge]

born in 1912

probably marketplace...

[muted hill]

oh more than likely

[snow jasper]

the UK used to put names of babies born in the newspapers, you could probably find out if this was a real person

[fast forge]

probably "Ellen" not "Ethan", fits the name Charlotte as bit better

[muted hill]

that was my 2nd guess

[muted hill]

Tin foil hat theory ive had reading the document

Gen 1 are (as far as we know currently) linked to something called the DEIMOS project and GOLEM-ceti trials.
My theory is that the gen 1 are either officially or unofficially known by AE as the Golems, ceti could stand for something such as Creations entrusted to impede - as they exist as a deterrent in AEs favour.

Deimos was a moon of mars, Mars could be a large center project we dont know of, using this its possible to suggest that a project PHOBOS exists, my idea for Phobos? The reaper. My reasoning is some gen 1 posses lare fangs and the hands, atleast to me, look somewhat similar to those also seen on the reaper. Phobos is mythology was a 2nd moon of Mars and the brother of Deimos.

So Deimos project - the gen 1
Phobos project - the reaper

The reaper could then also be a form of GOLEM and apart of the trials.

I could also be possible to theorise if there is a project MARS (or Ares) and or APHRODITE this/these could be Echidna and the Collosus.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/289864655252226049/1377313372688875622/image.png?ex=68388289&is=68373109&hm=f243178f8e68912b0bda490abb9c93414596f3485f22474aa0e6160cc6765d02&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/289864655252226049/1377313248784683159/image.png?ex=6838826b&is=683730eb&hm=97a111fbf62f96d537f86f515c664dd84247e923f494ba3af0a28355aadc9b8a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[lethal moat]

Deimos and Phobos are both greek gods, look those up, and GOLEM is just a descriptor within AE for anything monsterous

Phobos is fear, Deimos is terror

[muted hill]

Oh yeah I knew they were gods I just also saw them referenced as moons and went with it

ahh damn didnt know GOLEM had a meaning

oh well it was just a spur of the moment tin foil hat theory

[icy onyx]

Lore🥳 🥳

[low scarab]

The lore is a lie

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn-47-car-car-angry-angry-gif-1031800055901025538

[acoustic osprey]

yep

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/anomalocaris-i-do-my-best-im-an-anomalocaris-vrchat-gif-14083453025185293104

[fast forge]

I love vrchat...

It's a free "game" and it doesn't even require VR

[lethal moat]

I’ve never bothered, I’ve got enough stuff to keep me busy already

[acoustic osprey]

Ellen

[fast forge]

fair enough, but tbh you'd probably enjoy it

[acoustic osprey]

but alas, those are marketplace assets sadly

basically anything paper/document-related are marketplace

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683040176397746187/965087719715905546/image01.gif

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/starlord-chrispratt-weird-shit-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-8749692

[snow jasper]

you never struck me as somebody who would play it

i used to play until my BESTIE STOPPED
i'll never forgive her for that

[fast forge]

I made many friends on vrc
There's a lot about my personality that doesn't come up in this server

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tiggle-fat-fatcat-chonk-gif-20269238

[hallow ruin]

wait wait, that cant be a coincidence?

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[hallow ruin]

cuz of NHS somehow sound like NHS, Gen1s in legacy lore
which seems to connect with NHJ

[hexed forge]

no... no...

In that context, it's talking about the National Health Service

[hallow ruin]

DAVID!!

[hallow ruin]

first NHS i meant NationalHealthCare
2nd one i meant "NHS"

[hexed forge]

But they're not connected, at all. Extremely unlikely

[hallow ruin]

"NationalHealthCare somehow sounds like NHS= Gen1 in legacy"

[hexed forge]

It is likely a coincidence lol

[hallow ruin]

@muted hill been talking about it few days ago and did some research on NHS/NHJ to find NationalHealthCare one of the results
ik they dont connect(maybe? hopefully) but i find it a funny coincidence that OUT OF ALL PAPERS IN THE WORLD.. THAT specifically was in game

although i cant include healthcare into isle lore and idk how i would
but it SOUNDS like (thats if its placement was intetional) that even if its market assets, they might tell stuff

they might be canon

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048536975323451402/1238081418412953681/giffka.gif

[hallow ruin]

why is there a gif of thevians vid 😭

oh yeah i didnt see the full thing.. i get it

[hexed forge]

You are looking too far into it imo lol

[hallow ruin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720007490145747026/1045462765910884442/pies.gif

guys

can someone help me find out how Stage 1's arm look like?

[acoustic osprey]

quite likely

if anything
the old Eyeless (?) title of NHS is definitely related to NHJ in my opinion

but NHS as in the British Health Care system? No

highly doubt

[hexed forge]

Maybe the brits were the Gen1s all along.. 😔

[acoustic osprey]

innit bruv

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tiggle-fat-fatcat-chonk-gif-20269238

[hexed forge]

I feel like it is possible that they are the same thing and they just went through a slight name adjustment

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

i just see difference in them because we've only seen NHJ on dinosaurs
and NHS on a humanoid

[hexed forge]

Oh maybe

[acoustic osprey]

unless Don has changed the word/letter from S to J
of course, with meaning behind it

that we just... don't know yet

[hexed forge]

yea

[acoustic osprey]

I have added NHS to the lore doc

but given that it is a legacy name
so could change

[hexed forge]

yay

[low scarab]

[hexed forge]

REJECTED

[acoustic osprey]

you had a space at the title 😔

sorry...

[low scarab]

Fake fr

[acoustic osprey]

NO

[low scarab]

Can’t even add random spaces in the document

What is this tyranny

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-croods-grug-smirk-devious-smile-gif-10241913002663527658

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-daenerys-targaryen-bend-the-knee-bow-to-me-bend-your-knee-gif-20601038

[fast forge]

NHS?

[hexed forge]

Used to describe the Eyeless in a tweet iirc

[fast forge]

[acoustic osprey]

Search Query: AE System Directory Site I-04/AE-012

Ident. AE-012.NHS Batch 12.

Released July 23rd, 2018.

Replicate. https://t.co/IfNeR7PMJV

(the image is a picture of an Eyeless)

[fast forge]

somehow I don't think that's our NHJ...

[acoustic osprey]

lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/471236737343946758/image.png?ex=6838c7a9&is=68377629&hm=47e36e52c85c5241165bb8549096771d8d2200e05ebbe5d1e83d85a904b60b72&

[lethal moat]

I like your funny words magic man

[low scarab]

Awesome the isle horrors beyond our comprehension

[fast forge]

Basically the nhj-1 gene helps repair dna... in nematodes

[acoustic osprey]

yummy

i do believe NHJ is a custom acronym though

[fast forge]

probably

[snow jasper]

i hate jeans

[acoustic osprey]

but i do wonder what HJ means
because N likely means Neuro, if anything

[fast forge]

I thought the same

NH could be "non-human"

[low scarab]

I wish we could get something in gateway

[acoustic osprey]

soon...

[low scarab]

But such is lore…

[acoustic osprey]

soon.. we get glance sheets... soon..

[low scarab]

🙏

[hallow ruin]

NHS tho for cannibals?

[hallow ruin]

hey isaac, away from tapwing's lore, whats all we know about matriarch/the matriatrch

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-emperor-look-stare-gif-15923185

[hallow ruin]

u was writing for a moment but why this 😭

[acoustic osprey]

Evrima?

A rapidly evolving creature that can intake biomass and reproduce certain physical properties.
related to Tissos

[hallow ruin]

beautiful, but wdym "related to tissos", is this qoute about tissos > therefore you think it applies to matriarch?

[acoustic osprey]

Legacy (potentially about her?)

INCIDENT REPORT TRANSCRIPT 32: PART 2
“...LEADING UP TO THE COMPOUND ITSELF. UPON REACHING THE STRUCTURE, SPECIMEN (7 LETTERS) BEGAN PACING. WE EXPECTED THE SAME TYPE OF RAGE ONE WOULD EXPECT FROM ANY AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL, BUT IT WAS SUBDUED,FOCUSED, AND CALCULATED. SHE WAS THE MATRIARCH, AND NO ONE WAS TAKING HER OFFSPRING. NOT HERE. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.”

User Inquiry: The Matriarch
Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an EIP.
I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus.
Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study.
It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name.

[hallow ruin]

matriarch is 9 letters 😔

[acoustic osprey]

you referring to this "SPECIMEN (7 LETTERS)"

the 7 letters likely is a tag or official name

like AUGUSTUS' actual name

HRS.12-S.174

not saying ^that^ name system is the same
but that something similar could be the case

[hallow ruin]

ooh

thats neat, aaaand i didnt understand the qoute u forwarded 🥰

[acoustic osprey]

explains that Tissos and Matriarch are related

[hallow ruin]

ah yeah yeah just wanted to make sure i didnt get it wrong

[hallow ruin]

but this, my comment right under

[acoustic osprey]

this is about The Matriarch

[hallow ruin]

u said related to tissos
ah u meant that (this qoute, aka matriarch) is related to tissos, goti t

this is actually awesome

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hallow ruin]

and, to be honest i just had a big and long theory i was talkin to VraptorK about

not sure if i post it here or in lorecord's #lore theeories

but BASICALLY, and yeah its very odd
matriarch is a physical extending to the replicator on its mission of making the perfect organism, and by that, i mean matriarch is NOT a perfect organism, and its actually flawed (just like Tapwing's headcanon) BUT.. the speciality it has is what its name suggests.. after it becoming a total abomination, it then makes the perfect organism

and, since it is the replicator
it will protect this organism with all it can, with all the power it has althought its very flawed

which explains the legacy qoute here #isle-lore-theories message

imagine it as, and in a very rough image
Gen1s protect replicator = matriarch protects her offspring (the perfect organism)

wait no that isnt right

those worship replicator
but what i mean, is that the replicator's soul purpose is to make this organism, the matriarch is just:

• a host (funny enough IT is also looks for a host, its both host)
• a way, not a destination

the whole process of morphing and transforming and using the DNA of consumed biomass is just to collect the best of the best
when the matriarch thinks it has whats enough to make its offspring perfect, after IT itsself becomes a mauled mix of everything thrown in a blender, it makes it.

[hallow ruin]

😔

[acoustic osprey]

that would be interesting

[snow jasper]

too real

[limber frigate]

is the isle real

[low scarab]

post exams ^

[hallow ruin]

just checking

"my body is a cage" is the only one suggested/given from dondi in the playlist, correct?

[acoustic osprey]

as far as i can remember
yes

[lethal moat]

Lust and Giants as well

[hallow ruin]

ah thanks
i love both of them, will surely use them for something

the whole rest of playlist is done by you/suggestion from people around here, correct?

[lethal moat]

Yup, recently added Rest Employed

[hallow ruin]

ah cool ima check it

i feel really dumb for not checking Tapwing's post comments, it had so much more detail that i needed to know about Stage-1.. lol

[orchid coral]

Good afternoon

[lethal moat]

Howdy

[snow jasper]

they clearly love each other very much

[acoustic osprey]

awww

[nimble fractal]

So cute!

[snow jasper]

🥰

[frozen totem]

Competitive cuddling

[low scarab]

More spooky isle artwork 💯

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[icy onyx]

Devblog with lore news wen

[snow jasper]

soon

[plush widget]

Unexpected lore document reveal

[lethal moat]

PLEASE

[plush widget]

Do the dondi dance

Id love to see some carno rework stuff in there

And I'll finally get even more invested in the lore when additional info gets delivered to us

As of now Im kinda lukewarm

Know the major stuff

Also, gen 2 progress

[hexed forge]

oh yeah devblog soon

Wahooo
UI stuff is all I wish for

[ornate comet]

same

I really want the menu and everything to sound like the herrera video when the files are being access and stuff

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-maurice-ah-its-fifty-fifty-fifty-fifty-5050-gif-25472268

although
I don't want to undermine ANY of Dons work on it
I imagine it to be very hefty, especially since this is HIS lore for the past 10+ years
properly documented and properly refined for Evrima

but it would be better, in my opinion, if it was more turned into something stylised
when bits of it are released

more so

Dondi does not release any of the timeline (or most of it)
and more so, transcribes elements into 'new' lore documents

like the ERRANT-291 pieces

or into a video format like AUGUSTUS

[fast forge]

sorry for interrupting

[acoustic osprey]

😔 ....

[acoustic osprey]

(of course, depending on the context and necessity of the given media format)

rather than Don copy and pasting majority of his text from the timeline document
BUT of course

we, nor i, know how he has formatted it

so this is coming under the assumption, for which i apologise, that it is done quite linearly and done like our "Community Lore Document"

it would be crazy if it was a lot more detailed (in style) than our document
however, i don't think i am qualified to give input about how 'lore' should be conducted - especially/mainly if it unlike what we've seen before (unlike our community lore document)

[hexed forge]

I don't think we are getting any major lore documents this year unfortunately

[acoustic osprey]

only the glance sheets, if anything...

but, i am mostly talking about THE timeline doc

[hexed forge]

There seems to be a lot of stuff going on development-wise, many dinos and many features being worked on.
But yeah maybe only the glance sheets.. Unless this HT becomes U4 2.0...

[acoustic osprey]

Internal documentation purposes currently and then to be released as a guideline.

however, for reference from Don

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
the production of these dinosaurs shouldn't really obstruct 'lore making'

i believe the priority from Dondi is more Level Design of Gateway atm

and trying to finish The Timeline document

although, this is all what it seems from our point of view. I suppose.

Surprise lore drop for the 10th anniversary! ... would be a dream

[hexed forge]

But it does since we only have one person doing it.. Don.. whose also directing the game's development... greenlighting stuff, testing, etc...

[hexed forge]

Gen2s!!!

[acoustic osprey]

i can understand
but i do not believe it to be a giant obstruction

all models are done, practically
He'd need to look at animations, sure and programming

i suppose the only issue would be if he wants to be as close and upfront in playtesting and bug finding?

which wouldn't be his job, i suppose
but we know Don has done that before

[fast forge]

life could be a dream...

#offtopic-discussion message

[acoustic osprey]

ui drop...

[hexed forge]

Hey so uh, I wonder where that halloween paper went!!

[acoustic osprey]

likely just put into the Timeline Doc, i hope!

it would be quite interesting to say the least

[hexed forge]

I guess he's waiting to finish the entire timeline document before giving us anymore lore papers. Which is fair because you can easily overlook some parts of the lore while making another part. And then unable to revert it because you already released it. Which kind of happened in legacy I think... A lot...

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't be surprised

and if so, good on him

i think that is the right direction to go

I know he has written a lot of stuff in the past
i remember him saying he almost had enough for a book (iirc, probably a bit hyperbolic) on twitter in 2021 or 2022

but good for him to trying to finalise and properly document everything

rather than just writing for the sake of writing

[hexed forge]

Yeah I agree

[acoustic osprey]

hopefully this doesn't become a GRRM situation, of course
writing is hard, definitely

[hexed forge]

It's just up to us to go through this lore drought... the longest one potentially... without losing interest...

[hallow ruin]

been finding some of the dinos that tapwing herself used and using it to model
its shaping up!, my biggest problem now is wing membrane

[fast forge]

I don't think don will take 14 years...

[hexed forge]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

not in that regard

what i meant was recently, no context given....

as in, it has been 10+ years of "The Isle lore" (with its many eras and 'recoding' of the lore itself)

i hope he doesn't get sick of it

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[acoustic osprey]

especially with community engagement being... yeah quite an interesting tale.
At least we can dwell here as trying critics who actually give appraise when praise is due. And not just... twitter splurging doomerism and the such

[fast forge]

imagine if we got ui update today...

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-leopard-rolling-around-silly-fast-sped-up-gif-15318970127570270056

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-homer-simpson-conspiracy-psycho-the-simpsons-gif-17234193

[snow jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256452751555170314/1341945926968803398/legion_takeover.gif

[acoustic osprey]

thanks!!!

[pseudo fable]

Replication UI for Elders to be verified and then the big conversion begins.

[pseudo lantern]

ogh

[fast forge]

ooooh

[pseudo lantern]

👀

[pseudo fable]

Lore nerds eat today.

[fast forge]

yayyyyy

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/grey-cat-cry-gif-2840808548593801720

[knotty locust]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-pootis-engage-heavy-tf2-pootis-heavy-run-gif-17498901

[acoustic osprey]

RAHH!!!

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/Pxd0.gif

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-specter-afd-suits-gif-19988169

It is time for zeh lore

[pseudo lantern]

FINALLY

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-sad-kawaii-omni-invincible-gif-2488346480590735136

[acoustic osprey]

have you watched Suits?

[hexed forge]

I plan to after I finish rewatching Better Call Saul, on Season 5.

[pseudo lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-kiwi-kiwi-bird-baby-bird-jumping-for-joy-jumping-up-and-down-gif-6199138271629789568

there was a better kiwi gif to use I think
unfortunate

[hexed forge]

Actually scratch that,
I have like 20 other things I want to watch, depends on what Im feelin like

https://tenor.com/view/briankik-turn-around-hedgehog-mrbond-gif-24320492

[lethal moat]

LETS GOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/baby-stolas-stolas-helluva-boss-stols-dancing-stolas-dancing-gif-15394291771439955058

[pseudo fable]

Oh wait, I can curse you too.

https://tenor.com/iKx6sa7kSKg.gif

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-really-eric-foreman-foreman-gif-15798566522776115933

[acoustic osprey]

nice! very good

[low scarab]

[fast forge]

[hexed forge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401480573471948821/1378180101212078120 😔

[lethal moat]

[low scarab]

Where he going w this

Celebrate lorelings we feast!

https://tenor.com/view/steak-gif-24533842

[acoustic osprey]

NOO

[lethal moat]

Rise lorelings, get ready for questions and to kidnap people to lorecord

[spiral elbow]

👀

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-diaz-karate-combo-gif-4149916635074014312

redwood!!

[hexed forge]

More strain plants

[acoustic osprey]

woah, this is really... woah

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[acoustic osprey]

OHHHH

that is this

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah,
That's what Tapwing meant

[acoustic osprey]

was confused yeah
but this makes sense

[hexed forge]

I REALLY like the design of A and B

[lethal moat]

I can’t see any of the images, could someone post them here please

Metallivore is related to the type H strain, neato

[acoustic osprey]

No no
Other/ new one

[lethal moat]

I would assume razorbark is tisso then

[hexed forge]

The arbourburst one aswell

Wow these images are taking awhile to load in...

[fast forge]

I'm silly

[acoustic osprey]

nah
the sentence is a bit confusing

semantically, it could mean a few things

[lethal moat]

Type H -> redwood
Redwood -> metallivore

[fast forge]

I like the A concept the best

[low scarab]

SYRAIN PLANTS 💯

[fast forge]

dunno if we'll get all of them in game

[acoustic osprey]

don't know what i like more

imagine being in a forest full of B

[lethal moat]

Oh thats cool, what’s the burst thing about though?

[acoustic osprey]

fully grey forest would be... something

[lethal moat]

EEEEVILLL

[acoustic osprey]

if only Minecraft did theirs right 😔
although, was kinda cool

[fast forge]

it's so creepy

[hexed forge]

A seems too extreme, so I like B more I think

[fast forge]

plant body horror

[acoustic osprey]

(good to know this is coming back though)

[lethal moat]

Razorbark is basically the vines from sleeping beauty

[acoustic osprey]

i feel like it depends on the context of it
the bark turning grey is interesting

i think i prefer A or B

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

but i do suppose... context

[hexed forge]

They are both related/similar/share similar features as the Hyper strain. That's all we know about them I guess.
(Metallivore and this one)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-is-even-gif-20535402

[fast forge]

So is that what turning into a Type-H will be like for dinosaurs?
Your skin splits and a new being steps out?

[hexed forge]

I doubt it

[fast forge]

it would be gruesome if so

[knotty locust]

the connection is so cool

[low scarab]

We love gruesome

[fast forge]

the strain doubles it's height

The tree in the concept art is a mature redwood, already huge

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[knotty locust]

if the arborburst expands even further after that stage, itll just about touch the moon lmao

[hexed forge]

I believe these are variants/byproducts of the Hyper strain.
Each one being a certain aspect of the actual full strain
Or it's just the first experiments with the Hyper strain lol

[fast forge]

wait why isn't jolly here

[acoustic osprey]

@patent ginkgo

[fast forge]

he must have gotten the announcement ping

Will hypers have metal skin?

[lethal moat]

Just keep swimming

[lethal moat]

Uparmored, certainly, having hypers skin change based on what they’ve eaten to get to that point might be a fun detail

[fast forge]

or the top of the dome...

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-hold-up-meme-fallout-meme-gif-3737350009659669155

[acoustic osprey]

like in the artwork... would be cool

I mean... it is a redwood arbourburst

and redwoods is coming to the atrium...

[hexed forge]

yea...

[fast forge]

Would be cool to have one big hyper redwood at/near the center of the dome, and others in the forest in various stages of transformation

[knotty locust]

talking like we're still in V3

[acoustic osprey]

it was called The Atrium by dawndi!!!

[lethal moat]

The big one

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-sad-kawaii-omni-invincible-gif-2488346480590735136

[fast forge]

it is an atrium

[acoustic osprey]

we just need an officially placed name 😔

[fast forge]

Evrima feeling more and more like a refined version of legacy, truly
I know when I joined there was a lot that was not confirmed, but the more we see the more of it all relates to stuff from before

[hexed forge]

mhm

[lethal moat]

Alright, my break is over, chat later nerds

[fast forge]

🫡

[acoustic osprey]

alright, i think i've written a general description for both
not as much info as last time
but still some stuff

Razorbark: Essentially ‘living barbed wire’, it can attach itself to almost anywhere within reason via little graspers that it uses to adhere to walls or other not-so-upright surfaces.
Arborburst Redwood: (May be for other plants as well) From what we can see from artworks, the ‘Arborbursts’ have a ‘burst’ period containing of extreme growth and a more armoured appearance with a unique bark-appearance.24

footnote
24

At the moment, we have three alternative versions. Brown -> half Dark Grey (A); Brown -> full Grey (B); Grey-ish Brown -> half Brown

[knotty locust]

in australia, they call that plant the boganvilia

[fast forge]

they call it that here too

well "bougainvillea"

[acoustic osprey]

i want to say this is a joke...

but sadly i do not live near any bogans

[fast forge]

perhaps

[knotty locust]

misspelt the name

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[knotty locust]

these things have thorns at like, 4 centimeters in length

they also grow rapidly no matter the conditions

[fast forge]

I think they are slowed in my area by the cool winters with frost

yeah you can't grow it here...

[rigid tartan]

They’re pretty though

[knotty locust]

the flowers are like paper

they fall off and float in the wind from how thin they are

[rigid tartan]

Interesting

[knotty locust]

but they also produce a LOT of flowers, absolutely heaps

[patent ginkgo]

hmm

now this is a fun time

lemme get studious with this drop

the arborburst reminds me of how some vegetative parasites can occasionally be impacted by the host DNA

hmm, how does the razorbark get energy? i dont see any leaves.

and doesnt sound predatory, more defensive than anything

[hexed forge]

What is this for?

I can't tell if thats a leaf or some spikey thing

[patent ginkgo]

climbing, it seems

its in the colored drawing too, no green

and grows along the ground

[hexed forge]

Pretty cool

[patent ginkgo]

i would assume that its a specialized root structure, maybe a specialized leaf with sticky trichomes or smth

[patent ginkgo]

very

[acoustic osprey]

It needs to attach itself just about anywhere (within reason) which is why I gave it little graspers that the plant could use to adhere to walls or other not-so-upright surfaces

[fast forge]

I've seen ivy like this, it's creepy

[hexed forge]

MMmmmmm

[hallow ruin]

cant load images 😔

[lethal moat]

Can you explain that to me please

[patent ginkgo]

basically some plants that are parasites of other plants will pick up some of the host plant's DNA

looked a bit more into it cause i was only going off of years-old memory, theres some research into horizontal gene transfer in parasitic plants out there

[lethal moat]

Interesting

[patent ginkgo]

apparently seems to be pretty evident in genetic analyses specifically with plants

not super common with most other eukaryotes

so the example that i was introduced to this with (and misremembered a bit) is the rattlesnake fern, where some of its mitochondrial DNA was found to be from something in the mistletoe family instead of its ancestors, introduced by an angiosperm parasite

[lethal moat]

So it only preys on one species, or maybe genus?

But just things close enough it can actually appropriate that DNA?

[patent ginkgo]

maybe, or it could be a generalist that sort of mimics the growth of its host

maybe takes advantage of mycorhizal networks, with how some plants will funnel extra nutrients and such to other plants (especially offspring) in the vicinity underground

but it takes over and then mimics its host so that it can steal those nutrients

[lethal moat]

Thats pretty cool

[fast forge]

I think it's actually pretty common to get horizontal gene transfer between parasite and host, in general

if I'm remembering correctly

[patent ginkgo]

honestly i wouldnt know, havent looked into it a whole lot

id assume its more common with parasitism than most other things though

[fast forge]

https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/parasitic-plants-use-stolen-genes-make-them-better-parasites

[patent ginkgo]

ah yeah thats the thing I learned about I believe

until we get any other explaination, this is my interpretation of the arborbursts

[acoustic osprey]

really interesting

makes me really curious this stuff
feels like Strain Dinos

both in a bundle which feels unrealistic to have
but would be so so cool (for lore and gameplay) to have

also
had to correct the document

"ArborBurst"

has a funny capital for Burst

[patent ginkgo]

Makes me think it’s a marketing name or something along those lines

[acoustic osprey]

ye

technically it is called "UpperCamelCase"

like in YouTube
or eBay

so definitely might have something to with marketing

rather than just creating a natural and standard compound word with "Title Case" (or Sentence Case, same effect)

[fast forge]

Arbour, the fancy spelling
Edit: oh that's the concept art, not what tapwing wrote

[acoustic osprey]

well, probably not marketing per say

[acoustic osprey]

hm yeah true

i hate the little difference in brit and 'merican english

she does say "Arborburst Redwood"
true

without the UpperCamelCase

i do believe it still utilises the UpperCamelCase though
seeing i would say Concept Art > Words on Dblog - just due to quality assurance checks, I'd imagine the Artwork being less susceptible

but the 'ou'?

I mean
I WANT to do Arbour
because that is what i would say

[fast forge]

It's probably either spelling tbh, that kind of thing usually is

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of 'ou' vs just 'o'?
i agree

i'll just put a footnote yay

phew, calamity closed!

[acoustic osprey]

same

woah woah woah
wheres the UpperCamelCase!!

[dusk pier]

yeah no i hate it when it gets like that had a hole dang mini forest at my home once its a spider sanctuary

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[strange shell]

Xenomorph tree xenomorph tree

Also we quite literally got confirmation that the metallivore is a kind of type-H plant

[pseudo lantern]

i wouldn't go as far as confirmation

i can confidently say that it is probable

[fast forge]

She phrases it kinda like it's headcanon

[pseudo lantern]

you know on second thought

[acoustic osprey]

semantically, it is intriguing

[pseudo lantern]

it looks like it's more "i headcanon arborburst to have hyperendocrin influence, which makes it look like metallivore because metallivore does have hyper influence"

[strange shell]

Yeah that's what I think

[acoustic osprey]

forgot that Ktisis is another Abrahamic reference

[acoustic osprey]

hm, quite so

added a few more things into the doc, woohoo

[pseudo lantern]

YAY

[hallow ruin]

wait whats ktisis?

[acoustic osprey]

the trees

well, the diet plant thingo

which comes from the greek word (from the New Testament) 'to create'

[young sphinx]

Radio intermissions inside the human bases would be nice, like someone occasionally radioing in some times at random

[lethal moat]

Actual radios that can connect across the island would be cool

[acoustic osprey]

we had something 'similar' during update 4.5

but it was hidden in some music tracks that would play at bases

[young sphinx]

Damn

[acoustic osprey]

but! it would be interesting to see something like radio stuff at bases

although, i'd say it is more likely for lore documents though

[young sphinx]

Idk if you’ve ever played the Arkham games but there are often Easter eggs you could find similar to this

[acoustic osprey]

i have!

[young sphinx]

Documents, voice memos, radio etc

[acoustic osprey]

i would love having audio tapes haha

[young sphinx]

Same

[acoustic osprey]

i asked Don about it in 2022 or 2023
he didn't really say anything about it coming

but.... we shall see

maybe a future Lore Hunt would revolve around finding or collecting things similar
and maybe the reward is like something like the last lore hunt? (but more lore to it)

[young sphinx]

Even like a lore bank where you can unlock more of the lore and have like an archive of sorts in the menu

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

i would love if you could 'find' a document
and the high-res version goes onto something like that

how would you 'unlock/find' these documents? Sadly, i am not sure. Due to no programming powers
but still. Would be really nice if done somehow

[young sphinx]

True

I really hope there are video and voice logs along with documents

That cam footage they’ve shown could be good

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[nimble fractal]

Plant lore!

[pseudo lantern]

YAY

[nimble fractal]

So what was I thinking of
What was the first project
Strain plants or strain dinos?
I'm leaning towards first, but who knows

(Since it was first agricultural)

[pseudo lantern]

if I had to guess, strain plants would have come first

[acoustic osprey]

if the 'leak theory' is any true, i would definitely say Plants before the Dinos (strains)

[frozen totem]

leak theory?

[acoustic osprey]

Don talked about a leak causing giant crustaceans

An attempt to slow and/or reverse climate change, via introducing megaflora to the oceans, ended with a containment leak which led to massive crustaceans

[frozen totem]

oh that yeah

[frozen totem]

Attack of the giant f*cking crab

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[frozen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

I so look forward to peter jackon's skull island type of coastal crustations, maybe in damp canyons too

[fast forge]

I miss the old river canyon by east dome

well canyon is too generous... it was more of a gully

[snow jasper]

it felt out of place imo

[fast forge]

but man when east plains was a hotspot and that road was running through the choke point between the dome and the gully, it was herrera heaven

[fast forge]

it's gone now anyways, I can only hope for something similar in the future

[snow jasper]

the isle fortnite earthqueke event crossover

https://tenor.com/view/lighthouse-the-lighthouse-wake-laugh-wake-laughing-gif-16420751

[fast forge]

The canyon north of the swamp that has the GUTS tunnel would be great for herrera, if anyone ever went there

[hexed forge]

Only if servers were more than 100 players to make the map feel more alive. 😔

[fast forge]

Uh, how have I not seen this before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDUbJNB9G_k

One year before the zombie event there was a whole video showing the zombie stuff?

that was like a month before I really got into the isle

[lethal moat]

Yup

[hexed forge]

2 years

[snow jasper]

you‘re not chronicaööy online lol

[fast forge]

oh

[hexed forge]

And that was made to show-off what gore was meant to feel like.. before U6 came up

And then the entire U6 thing happened.. yayy

I doubt there is any correlation to the NHJ thing lol

[fast forge]

it looks exactly like it, wdym

It's clearly just an early version of the same thing

it has a zombie in it, organs hanging, shaking, just like NHJ

[hexed forge]

But it’s not a teaser to the Halloween event

[fast forge]

well it wasn't the same year

[hexed forge]

It’s just a teaser to how gore was meant to look like in U6

[fast forge]

but it's the same mechanic

it even infects the carno in the video

[muted hill]

I thought that trailer came out and inspiried the idea for the event the followng year, not sure about the lore implications

[fast forge]

well the video has no lore, really

it just shows a thing that we got eventually

[muted hill]

oh I thought it was being talked about in correlation to the NHJ, its been a long day

[fast forge]

NHJ is the letters associated with the mechanic that we received, that is identical to the zombie in the video

that's the only connection I'm pointing out

[muted hill]

ah gotcha

[hexed forge]

It’s not the same mechanic as the Halloween event, it’s literally just the full gore model.

[fast forge]

it's shaking and dripping organs and blood, and attacks the regular carno
the healthy carno is then infected

it's literally exactly the same thing as the halloween event mechanic

[hexed forge]

The carno does not get infected(It does nvm)

I don’t know what to tell you except that the video was made to demonstrate U6 gore, it happened two years prior to the Event, it is not the same mechanic as what was made in the event

[fast forge]

I'm not saying it wasn't also to demonstrate gore

[fast forge]

but how can you tell me that a carno fighting a zombie in an isle video has nothing to do with the zombie event we received two years later featuring the same model and style of dripping, twitching zombies?

You think they made two entirely seperate zombie systems?

They probably just started with the carno to demonstrate gore, and expanded it in intervening time

[hexed forge]

Because it’s just not connected at all.

There wasn’t a zombie system. It’s literally just the gore model being put on top of the playable creature in the editor. And then adding a shaking/blood effects.

There was no zombie system.
Prior to the event Don has stated that they just worked on that mechanic.

You’re saying it took them 2 years to make this zombie thing? No, it took them at most 2 months. From what Don made it sound like

[fast forge]

I'm just saying, whatever methods they used to make that zombie, they expanded the same thing into a more fleshed-out system, clearly

And no it didn't take them two years to make it, it was just two years until we got it

The twitching animations appear the same

I doubt they threw it out wholecloth

And on top of that, I wouldn't be surprised if don had already fit these zombie neuros (or whatever) into a lore concept in his head by the time of this video

[hexed forge]

There was no system back then. It was just the editor 😔

They made the event in a short amount of time, work didn’t start 2 years ago on it.

[fast forge]

that's not what I'm saying

I'm saying the concept and the initial animations required to make the video carried over into the halloween concept that we played

[hexed forge]

Yes

[fast forge]

it seemed as if you were saying they were completely unconnected

and I was like "but my eyes are functional"

[hexed forge]

You made it sound like you are saying they worked on that zombie mechanic since that teaser

[fast forge]

no, just that they were connected

[hexed forge]

.

[fast forge]

yeah the same concept carried through

that's why I called it an early version

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048536975323451402/1238081418412953681/giffka.gif

[ornate silo]

^This is what happens to mix packers^

[acoustic osprey]

agreed

[acoustic osprey]

this is what i believe
at least to some extent

i am not really going to comment about the argument/discussion though

because 2022 was an interesting year in stuff

and i believe it was kinda mixed

there likely (as we saw in old stuff) clearly an idea of Neurotenic aspects infecting things - so the idea isn't exactly new
but i believe the trailer was definitely made as a fun concept coming from their work on the Gore Update

May it have been a pre-cursor to the NHJ event (in lore and/or in-game)?
or a product of that idea prior to the video?
Who knows

[knotty locust]

i made a realisation/connection

the matriarch's second stage, the ptero form, has the same splitting apart theme as the arborburst

[hallow ruin]

im 99% sure (someone that knows more has to confirm it) dondi back then as a gore teaser.. but IF it worked well/got finished it would be released as a game mode, but halloween went by and it seems like they didnt finish it so it didnt get released
and suddenly it got announced the next year as a game mode/new feature

so its like "we're doing it for smth small but if it goes well it'll be bigger" type thing

[granite ore]

I feel like it was probably a thing in lore the entire time, though it might not have been planned to appear in game at that point.

[hallow ruin]

nope dondi didnt write its lore untill really recently, like before its release afaik

[acoustic osprey]

no

[hallow ruin]

didnt he say he wrote a quick thing to just make it cannon, and hinted at it being connected to neuro? and thats it?

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of NHJ specifically or Neurotenics (and related) infecting things in general

alas, the quotes about the NHJ stuff

[frozen totem]

Wait so the zombies are real?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

to some extent, at least

[frozen totem]

Huh.

[acoustic osprey]

were they the final design? who knows

maybe the event isn't canon itself
but we know that it, itself, related to Lore somehow
there being a protocol document for it

to what regard? who knows

maybe we'll see such document in-game somewhere!

[frozen totem]

And there was the one virus

[acoustic osprey]

ye, depending on what it was or not

[frozen totem]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

maybe that 'virus' is/was NHJ? Just in another form on the timeline

[frozen totem]

And what is NHJ

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as he was talking about the virus shortly after the event, iirc

[acoustic osprey]

the zombie event

it was the tag given to the mutation and the button name for admins to get the virus

[frozen totem]

whats it stand for

[acoustic osprey]

who knows... haha

[frozen totem]

If anything

[frozen totem]

Ah

[acoustic osprey]

we know it relates to Neuros
so potentially "Neurotenic" for N

there was also a very similar name given to The Eyeless
which was NHS

[frozen totem]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

i should say "Name (?)"
it was from a legacy tweet with minimal context given

so potentially their name? As there was a picture of an Eyeless in the tweet

Search Query: AE System Directory Site I-04/AE-012

Ident. AE-012.NHS Batch 12.

Released July 23rd, 2018.

[snow jasper]

<@&933486433342222376>

[copper moat]

All these new monster plants gave me an idea.
What if this is to give herbivores plants that they need to fight before eating them?

[lethal moat]

It has spuds or corms, hopefully diet

[fast forge]

the concept sounds like the opposite - eat right up until it attacks you

[copper moat]

What's a plant gonna do when my Dibble stunlocks it?

[frozen totem]

Yeah I think it's more so- You don't eat the plant, the plant eats you

[lethal moat]

You can lure in food if the food things you’re food

[frozen totem]

that is not english

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dory-scared-finding-nemo-marlin-ahhh-gif-10134042

[hallow ruin]

its connected to ERRANT-291 !!

the echo and the voices are the inficted creatures

the stuff mentioned in the sight designation are protocol documentations during the spread of said infection!!

[hexed forge]

Could be, but I doubt it

[hexed forge]

Special dietary buff but with temporary side-effects perhaps.

[lethal moat]

The active camouflage plant

[acoustic osprey]

probably not, in my opinion
but maybe

if anything, potentially NHS (if they are related to NHJ in any way?)

but i doubt that 'location' in ERRANT-291 would be for the NHJ
rather than Gen2s or Gen1s

[austere sierra]

Maybe the game is about dinosaurs yall

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-meet-the-robinsons-bowler-hat-guy-blame-you-goob-gif-17343639

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1342793629852237824/the_days_of_laughter_and_love_are_back.gif

[ornate comet]

I wonder if the game will have an “ending”

Obviously only when playing a Gen 2

I know Don said Gen 2 gameplay is simple but that doesn’t stop there from being an end goal

[lethal moat]

It’s been mentioned as a possibility before

[ornate comet]

Gotta be a point to going down deep into GUTS and risk getting torn to shreds by some man made horrors besides like a rocket launcher or something lol

Personally I think it would be cool if the ending was shutting down the replicator to end the cycle of horror

[rare wadi]

What is the H-virus. Because i thought that entire plot line was scrapped with evirma releasing but i just read its involvement in plants in the latest dev blog?

[lethal moat]

You mean the hyperendocrin strain?

Still planned

[rare wadi]

Im not much for lore on this game but its just called the H-virus

Type H strain... virus idk why i called it virus

[rare wadi]

yeah i thought this entire genetic modifications thing was scrapped

[lethal moat]

Nope, just magnatyrannus was scrapped, tissoplastic and neurotenic strains are also still planned

[rare wadi]

They gonna release all the default specimens before they go into these... things?

[lethal moat]

You can give this a good look to get the jist if what is and isn’t returning https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[rare wadi]

A period of time where its just a dinosaur island

[lethal moat]

Nope, it’ll be something that needs to be earned and will be incredibly rare

[acoustic osprey]

^

And with that, we also know that Herbi Strains have the potential to exist
being that nothing is stopping them from having/being strains

would they have the standard 3 dino strains or more unique strains tailored to them? Who knows
but that would be if Herbi Strains are confirmed to actually happen though

but with plant strains... I say there is a solid chance of them happening

but nothing confirmed, of course

[acoustic osprey]

as basically what Rumple said
in 2021, we had a twitter vote on Don's twitter on the ending

which was supposed to have an emotional 'wreak me' ending

but it is good to bring in this quote from Dawndi last year

cause that vote took place when Don basically said what he had written could be considered, basically a book

https://gyazo.com/6aa4d5d95eb5b2c7abe151452d51c962

so will there likely be an ending?
I 95% believe Don might have written (internally or just in his own headcanon) some sort of ending

but would be experience that ending in any way or matter? Likely not, in my opinion

Maybe if The Isle dies?
that is, if Afterthought go on to a new game in the long future or akin?

ALAS though

i am hopeful that we shall see some GUTS improvements when Trike hops over to Evrima
noting that they said some new things will be added for that update, hopefully that includes new map changes 🙏

[lethal moat]

Bunker plz

[acoustic osprey]

i doubt we'd get one soon again
but i do hope we'll see more 'connections' to and around the Volcano Hub

[ornate comet]

https://tenor.com/view/wd-gaster-bunker-undertale-deltarune-gif-15488263414311278155

[acoustic osprey]

seems like we're getting a HT update before the update to Evrima, which is a bit of a shame
but i presume this still applies

being that i presume the HT update will just be the pre-release version of the Evrima update that will come

can't wait though, fingers are crossed we get something 🤞

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-li-soon-real-soon-very-soon-gif-23841516

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/white-white-guy-salsa-dancing-blue-shirt-white-guy-dancing-salsa-gif-14138015339230163630

[brazen cradle]

@acoustic osprey which if the strain plants so far is your favorite?

[acoustic osprey]

ArborBursting is pretty sick, honestly

[brazen cradle]

Also, a new concept art category for when I get back on my PC :>

[brazen cradle]

Yeah, the OG is back

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

with an actual name and explanation as well..!!

[brazen cradle]

Which variation do you like most?

I like C and B the best

[acoustic osprey]

B could be very interesting
especially if there could become a 'forest' of such

an all grey forest would be sick

i think A makes sense BUT depends on the context of what the heck even is happening

although C could also make sense
the bark dying (?) and out comes the new one

i don't think i can really decide

[brazen cradle]

C is rhe most natural looking one

B is the all gray

A is a mix between both

[acoustic osprey]

i think you're a bit confused with the order

there you go

[brazen cradle]

I like the idea of A

And then some are B's and some are C's

I like Razorbark a lot

I just want more PVE elements

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

agreed
I hope they do these plants right!

just really curious in how they want to direct them for 'in-game'

will be VERY interesting

[hallow ruin]

i have no idea what those guys talking about

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1281063721875144785/READIT.mp4?ex=671262d0&is=67111150&hm=0412a56ff5b1411a83f2264740936b1bc2e7abb7697c9b12bcafa6aa448aa80c&

[hallow ruin]

im aware, i wasnt able to load the strain plant images in devblog
yk im not that stupid, errant..

[acoustic osprey]

load it now!!

[hallow ruin]

[acoustic osprey]

oh, sorry...

[hallow ruin]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

party time

maybe we'll get an update to HT soon... soon...

but, only likely when we start seeing SteamDB updates. I do suppose.

[hexed forge]

hmm

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[hexed forge]

Thank you

[acoustic osprey]

i have nothing on today
Maybe i'll analyse some lore

[forest grail]

https://tenor.com/view/raptors-biting-ripping-dinosaur-gif-17288120

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/blast-him-star-wars-gif-10808290

[young viper]

Strains...

[hexed forge]

lol

[torpid roost]

tisso beipi looks so tuff bro

[hexed forge]

Wouldn't it be great if Trike released with it's glance sheet on the map.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tongue-funny-lick-tongue-out-gif-8462980183024852294

[hexed forge]

Thank you.

[lethal moat]

[hallow ruin]

would be lovely for all dinos to have that

[hexed forge]

yay...

[gaunt dawn]

Whats that

Why am i in here

[lethal moat]

Lorecord emote

[gaunt dawn]

Woah

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

i would say
depends on who writes them and how hard they are

like if Don is writing them
I would much prefer him putting the effort into other areas of lore

but, that is especially if they're generally hard or a bit slow to make

[hallow ruin]

sorry i meant to say
on release
so like, dino+sheet

[acoustic osprey]

i personally don't really see the Dino Glance Sheets adding much

[acoustic osprey]

(it would still require him to make them)

[hallow ruin]

ik i meant the way its putted

[hallow ruin]

i find it cool, could reveal some good lore who knows

[acoustic osprey]

that is, of course, not always the case

but i don't see the Dino Glance Sheets having much content to really ravel upon

besides very simple lore

"X" dino is a bit more aggressive
Noted!

(just because of the nature of human players. It isn't very helpful)

may they be helpful once AI Dinosaurs become more fully fledged? Sure
but i 'do prefer' Don making more 'stronger' lore to be 'published' (in whatever way capable in the means of lore being told in the game)

and anything interesting about dinos being put down as notes
Then made into glance sheets in time

of course, this is seemingly not the case seeing as we'll be getting glance sheets 'soon' (maybe more than just them? But i doubt).
however, it is good to reflect, i know nothing of what they do.

so i have clue about his production of lore

[acoustic osprey]

fair
they're neat

but, realistically, ERRANT-291 brings more for me than the dino glance sheets

even though Don basically said that stuff like ERRANT-291 aren't too important

but hey
I'm still down for them (dino glance sheets), of course.

nothing to make a video about ||unless we get special info in them||

honestly, maybe once we get a lot more dino glance sheets

I could make the "AE Field Guide"
but turn it into a video

would be an interesting video idea

especially to compress all we have on all known AE dinos

would that also include "Unique Dinos" (i.e. individual SYNTHs) though?
Maybe. Maybe.

i doubt the actual in-lore AE Field Guide would

being a field guide

but for the video? I suppose doesn't really help since I'd already would have an AUGUSTUS video out
(and likely a Shirley and Dean one....)

by the time I make an AE Field Guide Video

[brazen cradle]

@acoustic osprey so this is random, but you remember the Magnatyrannus reveal stream?

So, we know Tisso's are for regenerating and stuff

So it's safe to assume that they were an experiment to regenerate limbs for amputated people

Idk what Hypers would be for

But what if the Neurotenic were an attempt to "cure" mental illnesses?

Best I can think of for Hypers is an attempt at cloning and making the fetus develop faster and grow quicker

[acoustic osprey]

i didn't watch the stream live, no

however, it is worthy to note
that the strains' 'purpose' wasn't directly for medicine reasons

[acoustic osprey]

<@&933486433342222376>

[patent ginkgo]

@acoustic osprey i made some changes to the lore doc in the strain plants section

[brazen cradle]

Well, yeah.

I meant it more as, the animals were experimented on, with that goal. And well, then everything went to hell

[torpid roost]

hypers to help people with enanism

jk

but they look like they are desing to be very lethal weapons to kill everything and then die quickly after

better way to atack rival companies than gen 1 imo

[acoustic osprey]

i'm gonna accept your ArborBurst one but edit it a bit
just cause the final bit is already indicated at the beginning

actually, i might just edit around a bit

[patent ginkgo]

Sounds good

I wanted to make sure it was stated somewhere that whether or not it’s a parasite or its own plant is unknown to us

Though I personally lean much more toward parasite that mimics its host once it’s burst

[acoustic osprey]

all done yay

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

it does make me think we need to redefine (give defintion) to the strain plant section

[patent ginkgo]

How so?

[acoustic osprey]

just because
if it is a parasite, then would you really count as a 'strain'

and saying that, most of these 'strain plants' seem to be generally more unique that, say, H-Rex is to a Rex

[patent ginkgo]

As in, “these might be individual plant varieties or ways in which many plants may be affected”?

[acoustic osprey]

not that i mean to rename Strain Plants to something else

more so that I might give a little defining blurb for the more 'diverse' quality of strain plants

in contrast to strain dinosaurs/creatures/animals

[patent ginkgo]

That’s true

So far the strain plants seem, in general, less of a modification of any number of plants and more like individual species

With the potential exception of arborbursts

[acoustic osprey]

practically, for me, seemingly like a new 'species'

however, i think I'll wait till we get more solid info on what AE might refer to these

if anything
we might have to move them to just the Botany section

then highlight whatever AE labels them under

like if Metallivores are considered Strains
but ArborBurst a parasite

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah, I mean these things have only just been given concept art, their place as strains or relation to them might not be fully fleshed out

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

definitely a solid time to just wait for some proper 'lore' on them
maybe i'll make a footnote later tonight

just on the dubious-ish nature of the title

[patent ginkgo]

Good idea

[fast forge]

Even the concept of a strain in the isle is a little undefined
irl a strain is essentially a purebred line of animals with specific qualities

OR
a type of virus or something

[patent ginkgo]

Not even just animals, also applies to viruses-yeah

[acoustic osprey]

for Dinos, it is far easier in my opinion
One general effect that basically does the same thing to all species, genetically

(with tiny changes, here and there)

from what we've seen of strain plants

there are only one of each 'strain'

of course....
we know so little about them (Strain plants)

[fast forge]

So would the name "strain" imply they are all viral in nature?

[acoustic osprey]

Neuro Goo!!

honestly, no idea

[patent ginkgo]

I’m wondering if “strain” is sort of a word for a grouping of traits in an organism Apollo modifies, and perhaps the plants are simply less experimental/more developed?

[fast forge]

A retrovirus would explain how traits are induced in fully-grown animals

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah, that’s a loose idea I’ve been wondering about for a while

Unfortunately haven’t had much opportunity for confirmation

[fast forge]

It's possible that apollo created viruses that can infect plants and animals, and H-strain is the same virus in both metallivore and something like a rex

[acoustic osprey]

i think, back in ye olden days, this was generally the believed case
"Hyperendocrin Virus" and insert to "X" specimen

tada

would be cool if we got a lore video showing how a Strained specimen is made
in however way or fashion they are made in-lore

that would be sick
a lot of work
but sick

like that one Neuro Spino artwork by Tapwing

of course, that is post-mortem

[fast forge]

Wait that makes perfect sense, probably retroviral treatments for genetic disorders
Endocrine disorders
Connective tissue disorders
Neurological disorders

[acoustic osprey]

but still, nonetheless

[fast forge]

uh
magna disorders? 🤷‍♀️

[acoustic osprey]

Magna was less strain
and more so 'variant'

i.e. made to be the perfect specimen

[acoustic osprey]

Me asking Don

I believe the one about him theorising that Hypers, alongside Neuros and Tissos, were likely created to test out medicine

Don reply

Indirectly but still.

(context)
woopsie

[fast forge]

Company sets out to make children's leukemia treatments
Accidentally creates hyper rex

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/client-pleads-oopsie-daisy-oopsie-daisy-oops-oopsie-russian-badger-gif-6154377781408649679

[patent ginkgo]

Apollo could have had dinosaurs already in the works and just decided to use them for medicinal testing as well

[acoustic osprey]

simple mistake, will fix once we fix THE ENTIRE GLOBAL CRISIS of the environment

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah Apollo has some hefty goals lol

[acoustic osprey]

gets you the big time investors

[fast forge]

they saw what it did to the crabs and were like

"we've got this goo that makes stuff huge"
"yeah"
"and we've got this bigass T rex"
"yeah"
"..."

[acoustic osprey]

i do wanna know how honest they are with such goal(s)

[patent ginkgo]

Dinos for ecosystem testing?
Strains for disorder treatment?
Plants for climate crisis?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tongue-funny-lick-tongue-out-gif-8462980183024852294

[patent ginkgo]

[fast forge]

Maybe they just had a lot of stuff going on and it all slowly leaked out

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

just like the leak into the ocean...

[patent ginkgo]

Well, they certainly had a lot of stuff going on

Also, I suspect that Apollo Red is a medical branch

[acoustic osprey]

my fan theory (dream?) is security
but i can see Red being a medical branch

especially since Red (and green) is pretty much standard for medical symbolism

if Red turns out to be a medical branch

would they be dumb and...

or smart and

[patent ginkgo]

Something tells me smart

[acoustic osprey]

like

If this is an american-owned company
Would they keep the american trend
and do the wrong symbol lol

[patent ginkgo]

Given don’s nature and the seeming nature of Apollo, I’d assume it would be correct

[acoustic osprey]

aye

unless he wants to make it fully satire lol

although, i suppose the context matters

if you show the Rod of Asclepius to a casual American
Would they know it would be for Medical reasons?

over The Caduceus?

[fast forge]

I don't know the difference
I feel like I heard it once

[patent ginkgo]

Being an American who didn’t know caduceus was wrong until I saw you talking about it, I didn’t even think about the difference

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

The Caduceus is for Hermes
Asclepius is for Asclepius (god of medicine)

son of Apollo

(which would work nicely as a subsidiary for Apollo)

[patent ginkgo]

Basically if I see a snake around a pole and some sort of red plus or cross-type thing, I understand the idea

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
but you are a lot smarter than average american Jolly 😔

although, i do believe
make it red or green

give it a cross behind it

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

would work still

[patent ginkgo]

I don’t think most people pay attention to what the symbol even is, lol

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-indeed-leonardo-phillip-gif-19015458

[acoustic osprey]

lol

yeah
it is pretty much why i don't think anyone really cares in changing it irl

i do believe some places have it still
some don't
some have other symbols, etc

[acoustic osprey]

quite so quite so

in some contexts, you could justify The Caduceus
cause Hermes is also a God of hospitality and messengers

which can work in the context of a Hospital and medicine
but......

alongside the guide of the dead

do you want that for your hospital though? haha

although with the insurance and medical bill problem in the US 😔

alas
THE ISLE LORE

it is crazy how much isle lore, especially during 2023, led me to studying greek mythos

it is so helpful and engages me in day to day experiences 🥰 haha

[patent ginkgo]

You seem like an expert on it lol

[fast forge]

There's a lot of things like that in life, I've found
My interest in a viking metal band taught me about Constantinople and the Golden Horn

[acoustic osprey]

i still lack a lot of understanding... I need to read the books more!

[fast forge]

Seeing interesting trees around my college campus got me interested in trees

[acoustic osprey]

golden horde!!!

[fast forge]

idk, sometimes things find you

[acoustic osprey]

oh wait
Horn

[patent ginkgo]

I was only introduced to plants by Covid making me want to be in my backyard more

And now has become quite a thing

[acoustic osprey]

i want to learn more Romanoi (Byzantine) stuff

[acoustic osprey]

that is cool

i have been gardening lately
we have bought a few bushes

[patent ginkgo]

Very nice

[acoustic osprey]

we were not told that we should move away the grass in a 1x1m radius
so now i have been digging

[patent ginkgo]

Oh, fun

[fast forge]

I have way more plants than last year, three vegetable gardens and a ton of pots

[acoustic osprey]

i plan to visit this side of the world
and really want to learn more about it

[patent ginkgo]

I’m working on making a (mostly) natives meadow garden

[acoustic osprey]

i think there is only so much that video games and YT videos can get you (besides the occasional book or article)

[acoustic osprey]

nice!

[patent ginkgo]

Recently ordered some small plants to get it started as well

[acoustic osprey]

i'd tell you what the bushes name was... but i cannot remember
I do NOT buy these things. I am the one to kill the grass

[patent ginkgo]

Ah, lol

[acoustic osprey]

you will have your own Isle Atrium

[patent ginkgo]

Is your grass formed by clumps or runners?

[fast forge]

I got some accidental pumpkin plants this year

[patent ginkgo]

My lizard in its vivarium…

[patent ginkgo]

Oh cool

[acoustic osprey]

define please...

[fast forge]

runners are vegetative growths that run along (or under) the ground

like strawberries

[acoustic osprey]

i see
then, from what i have killed
they look like this a bit

(not my image)

[patent ginkgo]

I understand the pain now

[acoustic osprey]

the executioner needs not to know the anatomy of the body...

[patent ginkgo]

I had this grass too for like 14 years

St. Augustine grass

[acoustic osprey]

i first was digging them out with my hands!! very fun!!

[fast forge]

I have a plum tree that sends up woody shoots all over my yard. I hate it with a burning passion

[acoustic osprey]

i have no idea why i tried doing it
i had shovels, but they were way too big

[patent ginkgo]

Just try digging out quack grass…

[patent ginkgo]

I hate it when trees sucker

Used to have a rough leaf dogwood that would do that like 20 feet away from the trunk

[fast forge]

I'm sure if we cut it down it would keep sending them for another decade

[patent ginkgo]

Yep

Like that one aspen forest but so much worse and not cool

[fast forge]

Pando

[bright shoal]

You talkin about that one forest thats all actually one tree?

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah

[bright shoal]

its so cool love nature and the wild things it does to survive.

[patent ginkgo]

Absolutely

[bright shoal]

currently obsessed with my Foxtail fern

[patent ginkgo]

Truly a megaflora moment

[acoustic osprey]

and now you're next!!!!

(you must survive the isle)

[patent ginkgo]

Asparagacaea!

[bright shoal]

yeah!

[patent ginkgo]

Honestly looks like a mini asparagus plant

[fast forge]

is that the same as an asparagus fern?

I have one of those

[acoustic osprey]

nice

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah it’s a type of it

I’ve never had one myself but I have both asparagus and ferns

[bright shoal]

Looks like this (not my photo) mines a lil baby but its grown quite a bit since i got it.

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah it’s a fun one

[acoustic osprey]

they look really cool

[patent ginkgo]

Now I haven’t looked into if it’s a separate species or just variety, but the “normal” asparagus fern is actually a vining plant as well

[acoustic osprey]

oh? interesting

[patent ginkgo]

Yep, it’s a really weird plant

[acoustic osprey]

lol

should introduce it into the isle!

[patent ginkgo]

Asparagacaea in general tends to have a lot of weird plants though

[patent ginkgo]

So true

[acoustic osprey]

that's fun

[patent ginkgo]

It is tropical

[acoustic osprey]

ah, makes sense
I believe i've seen them before

[patent ginkgo]

Likely

I believe they’re also used in the floral industry

[balmy canopy]

Flowers are beautiful but they don’t look good in a pot of coffee

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/1l3w1ae/didnt_know_shostakovichs_feedback_to_conductors/
This feels like me every time someone unfamiliar in 'our' community does something with lore or makes content based off lore

(for context, this is an old russian composer many years ago, called Shostakovich, who sent a letter to an english/american conductor ||hence why it is in english lol|| about a recording he heard of his song)

it would be even better if, instead of me analysing "X" piece of lore content, it is Dondi lol

but, i still feel this. Especially in things that we have overly discussed - especially legacy lore

[rare wadi]

can troodons pin?

[rare wadi]

How many toodons to pin a stego

[strange shell]

nice lore theory

[rare wadi]

this is the wrong channel-

[acoustic osprey]

i love the isle lore...

do you agree with what i said above!

[pseudo lantern]

they can pin
they cannot grapple

[hallow ruin]

🔥

[acoustic osprey]

damn, if update is tomorrow
I won't be able to explore Gateway (will be away for aussie long weekend)

[hallow ruin]

aussie long weekend?

[acoustic osprey]

monday is off for us for "the kings birthday"

so my dad is taking us down for my uncles funeral anniversary

Apparently, there is a medieval festival going on as well

no isle but medieval mead? Heck yeah

[snow jasper]

whaaat???

we dont even get that lucky in the UK

[acoustic osprey]

lol

ironically, both Malta and Australia love having holidays

crazy to think you guys don't get that lol

[snow jasper]

no, but it reminds me of when the queen died
there those who had respect, and those that just wanted a day off

all of the people wanting a day off were the young people who didn't spend half a lifetime in the Elizabethan era

oh wait what the hell??? this is islecord, i thought this was lorecored

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tiggle-fat-fatcat-chonk-gif-20269238

anyways, i was looking at necrosis, i cant be asked to link it to the zombie NHJ things, but I want to

[acoustic osprey]

mayhaps

[acoustic osprey]

Yay
Doors

time to find em

[acoustic osprey]

The Volcano Hub is gone
but some new stuff at Docks

which was very nice

[acoustic osprey]

also the tunnel at Docks, the one that goes under the radio tower, has a little off shoot at the middle of the tunnel
was quite interesting

[fast forge]

is the atrium any different?

[acoustic osprey]

no

[low scarab]

this new or no?

did some exploring though and found some nice tweaks to guts interiors

looking very nice lighting is sick

[echo gazelle]

If that’s East Pond where that little cave is it’s been there

[hexed forge]

^

How big are the GUTS changes?
Just some tweaks or have there been new sections added?

[snow jasper]

I would say that they were more reduced, rather than added

[fast forge]

Wasn't there something in lore about radiation and hazmat suits?

[hexed forge]

Could you be referring to the Troodon art for Halloween?
If not then I am not sure

[fast forge]

probably, but I thought it might have been mentioned elsewhere

<@&401466542140817419>

[fast forge]

I only bring it up because another use for radiation occurred to me

Radiation can be used for sterilization purposes

This could be particularly important if they are researching things like infectious diseases (strains?) or have animals with compromised immune systems that require a sterile environment

[acoustic osprey]

No

[acoustic osprey]

Hub is gone...

[kindred bobcat]

id wadger bio hazard suits

[hexed forge]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

yeah... i got very sad on stream

although (apologises to don) i was using Replay
And replay, last night on HT, was a bit weird

it wasn't showing things

SO.....

maybe they're making it so you can't see things on Replay anymore
which might be quite good (for discovery things)

[hexed forge]

hmmmm

Maybe, or they just removed it in preparation to move it to the Evrima branch. Without GUTS

[fast forge]

oh that makes sense, it was messy so it's probably easier to just pick it all up than drop the half-finished version in the main branch

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

But i am still going to mentally note that 'Volcano Hub' may not be the Hub

[fast forge]

[olive dome]

This is my lore which I believe is the true lore

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mace-mace-windu-think-thinking-cap-thinking-gif-20527363

[olive dome]

BRO WHO DELETED