Both of those happen naturally anyways
#isle-lore-theories
lethal moat
hexed forge
It interupts any changes over time
fast forge
It interupts any changes over time
It might impact the natural flow, but we know these animals can and do reproduce naturally
hexed forge
There isn't enough.
Mutations and skin patterns isn't enough when there is a thing called Replication of the exact same version from one asset
fast forge
There isn't enough.
Mutations and skin patterns isn't enough when there is a th...
but just because there are replicants doesn't mean everything is a replicant
I think that's the point you are missing
lethal moat
There isn't enough.
Mutations and skin patterns isn't enough when there is a th...
They clearly aren’t exact in game
fast forge
If I clone a bunch of mice and release them into the wild, that wild population of mice still evolving
hexed forge
but just because there are replicants doesn't mean everything is a replicant
Correct,
Which goes back to the point of the replicator interrupting the gene flow with a new version coming in and essentially taking over the old version/generations. The gene flow from the old version stops, doesn't exist. Which ofcourse depends on how AE handles their failed versions but for the sake of this argument they just get rid of them. Seems like the plausible thing AE would do.
fast forge
Correct,
Which goes back to the point of the replicator interrupting the gene fl...
That's just artificial evolution my guy
It's still evolution
hexed forge
That's just artificial evolution my guy
It's still evolution
That's not artificial evolution lmao
Because there is no breeding going on with the new version and old version,
That new version is created with a gene edit. Made in a lab.
lethal moat
Because there is no breeding going on with the new version and old version,
Breeding is not a requirement of evolution
fast forge
That new version is created with a gene edit. Made in a lab.
There is still a stable population living in the wild
hexed forge
Breeding is not a requirement of evolution
fast forge
Like humans right now have been gene editing animals and releasing them into the wild
hexed forge
There is still a stable population living in the wild
Did you read what I said?
AE would get rid of the old version because it's not what they want.
hexed forge
Like humans right now have been gene editing animals and releasing them into the...
And we aren't killing/getting rid of the ones that are natural/not gene edited
lethal moat
https://tenor.com/view/president-stops-president-smiles-ominous-smile-ominous-no...
Passing down genetic material does not have to be through reproduction
lethal moat
Did you read what I said?
AE would get rid of the old version because it's not w...
It’s hyper-efficient, but it’s still evolution
fast forge
Did you read what I said?
AE would get rid of the old version because it's not w...
So we know they universally removed old versions? Show me where it says this
hexed forge
It’s hyper-efficient, but it’s still evolution
The gene edit, whatever the heck the replicator does to create a new version of the specie, is not a process of evolution.
lethal moat
The gene edit, whatever the heck the replicator does to create a new version of ...
Saying that does not make it true
lethal moat
So we know they universally removed old versions? Show me where it says this
We know they kept Augustus
fast forge
The gene edit, whatever the heck the replicator does to create a new version of ...
Yes, but once they stick that modified individual into an ecosystem (regardless of how heavily this system is pruned) that individual is now governed by evolutionary pressures
hexed forge
So we know they universally removed old versions? Show me where it says this
Its an assumption, and a fair assumption because they rebased ALL their operation on Herrera to AUGUSTUS, the herrera that can climb. + We don't ever see a herrera that can climb
fast forge
We know they kept Augustus
Do we know that they killed all the other herrera?
hexed forge
They rebased all their operations on AUGUSTUS, it's likely that they just abondoned the old version
fast forge
Its an assumption, and a fair assumption because they rebased ALL their operatio...
You are assuming they killed all non-climbing herreras, but we have nothing on that
hexed forge
Which died off probably, they would NOT want the old version to breed with the new version
lethal moat
Do we know that they killed all the other herrera?
We do not
fast forge
They may have simply been out-competed by the better climbing version
hexed forge
fast forge
Which died off probably, they would NOT want the old version to breed with the n...
you are assuming a lot
lethal moat
Which died off probably, they would NOT want the old version to breed with the n...
Natural selection does that all the time
snow jasper
But its natural, you call it artificial because as a human, you see other humans altering the ecosystem directly or indirectly. Evolution is the process of change and I dont disagree either, I‘ve already said that, but english is also weird, most people conventially define simply as the gradual change in animals, and thats also how I see it. Evolution/Evoluer in french means the same but also not the same thing, same derivative word.
I just think how we define things is wrong, and should be different, Evolution is/can be an umbrella term for all the aforementioned things Rumple, Cerato and I discussed.
Again I dont disagree with your conventional thinking either as disagreeing would be silly as it would go against your personal ways of thinking, even if it was all prewitten for you to understand. The fundamentals are correct, I just disagree on the wording
hexed forge
you are assuming a lot
If there is a clear bigger successful version of a specie? Why would you want the old, less successful, perhaps even a failure like we can see the same with Dibbles, to breed with the new version?
A lot of lore talks are assumptions, but most importantly fair assumptions.
fast forge
If there is a clear bigger successful version of a specie? Why would you want th...
You still can't assume this is the case 
fast forge
A lot of lore talks are assumptions, but most importantly fair assumptions.
it's not a fair assumption
I'm literally telling you I disagree
hexed forge
You still can't assume this is the case <:TI_LUL:461642094671429634>
It's a fair case lmao
It's likely how their testing would go
Sorry let this "Failed" version breed with the new better version and potentially mess-up the test experiment my bad
Unless the test is literally seeing what would happen when they breed
fast forge
Yeah that's a logical point, but I'm not going to assume it's true when the contextual branch that got us there is paper-thin
We only know they re-based herrera development on Augustus
We don't know just what that entails
If they are studying selection within an ecosystem, perhaps they wanted to see if this new herrera out-competed the old version
And then to extrapolate that there is no evolution on the island at all... I really do not agree
hexed forge
Correct, they would want to see how it would out-compete the old version. My bad for assuming they would just kill them all, they wouldn't do that. Waste of resources.
But either way, in that situation, I doubt they would let them breed unless there's a test experiment specifically determined to see the effects of that
hexed forge
And then to extrapolate that there is no evolution on the island at all... I rea...
Never said that.
I think you are still missing the main point of this entire thing.
fast forge
I think you are still missing the main point of this entire thing.
you said it's not evolution if the replicator is involved
hexed forge
The Replicator is not an evolution machine, a insant change made by the replicator, changing A to B for example, is
Not an act of a specie "Evolving" as Rumple said
fast forge
I'm saying if is
fast forge
The Replicator is not an evolution machine, a insant change made by the replicat...
It absolutely can be an evolution machine, depends how they use it
hexed forge
It absolutely can be an evolution machine, depends how they use it
In that specific context, it is not
plush widget
The Replicator is not an evolution machine, a insant change made by the replicat...
how are you doing that big letter thing
lethal moat
In that specific context, it is not
Because it’s iterative, it is
lethal moat
how are you doing that big letter thing
Hashtag space
plush widget
thank you
fast forge
We know Augustus had offspring, which inherited the climbing ability
That's heritability
hexed forge
Because it’s iterative, it is
It's not.
Let's use this example.
You use gene-editing to make a bird's wing bigger by one inch.
Was that an exact of the specie evolving?
hexed forge
We know Augustus had offspring, which inherited the climbing ability
And the replicator was not involved in that, hooray!
Replicator doesn't get involved in breeding. Thus letting Evolution take place
fast forge
It's not.
Let's use this example.
You use gene-editing to make a bird's wing b...
If that trait is then put into a living ecosystem, yes
fast forge
And the replicator was not involved in that, hooray!
Replicator doesn't get invo...
All replicants also inherited the climbing ability
lethal moat
It's not.
Let's use this example.
You use gene-editing to make a bird's wing b...
Yes
Because it develops the species
hexed forge
Correct, and that is when the replicator gets involved. Which isn't an act of a specie evolving. Replicating/Gene-editing is not an act of evolution.
hexed forge
Because it develops the species
That is not the definition for Evolution
fierce cradle
Any chance any hybrids will come this year?
fast forge
Correct, and that is when the replicator gets involved. Which isn't an act of a ...
That's like saying mutation isn't an "act of evolution"
you're confusing evolution for natural selection
hexed forge
That's like saying mutation isn't an "act of evolution"
Mutations don't happen through gene-editing 
fast forge
Mutations don't happen through gene-editing <:TI_TenontoCry:696885805410418819>
it's just genetic change
one is artificial
the other is natural
lethal moat
you're confusing evolution for natural selection
I’ve been telling him this for almost a day
hexed forge
it's just genetic change
one is artificial
the other is natural
Gene-Editing is not act of evolution.
lethal moat
Gene-Editing is not act of evolution.
You’ve yet to explain why in a way that is accurate though
hexed forge
I’ve been telling him this for almost a day
I don't know where you are getting natural selection from, I didn't mention it at all
fast forge
Gene-Editing is not act of evolution.
I've never heard the term "act of evolution" in college
lethal moat
I don't know where you are getting natural selection from, I didn't mention it a...
What you’re explaining is more aligned with natural selection than evolution itself
hexed forge
I've never heard the term "act of evolution" in college
Gene-editing is not evolution.
There
plush widget
Any chance any hybrids will come this year?
Hybrids?
fast forge
Gene-editing is not evolution.
There
that's like saying mutation is not evolution
it's correct, but irrelevant
it's like saying a nail is not a house
hexed forge
How is a mutation that happens naturally the same as gene-editing 
fast forge
How is a mutation that happens naturally the same as gene-editing <:TI_DeinoBruh...
they are both just changes to a genome, I told you
You are assigning special significance to natural selection
hexed forge
Gene-Editing is an artificial factor that is just not meant to happen in nature at all
fast forge
Gene-Editing is an artificial factor that is just not meant to happen in nature ...
Hence the term "artificial evolution"
hexed forge
Hence the term "artificial evolution"
And Artificial Evolution is not Gene-Editing
fast forge
You have this constrained view of evolution where it only occurs in naturalistic circumstances, but biologists don't see it this way
fast forge
And Artificial Evolution is not Gene-Editing
a house is not a nail, yes
But gene editing can be a component of artificial evolution
and gene editing can 100% be a component of evolution
hexed forge
A gene-edit being made in a creature is not artificial evolution.
hexed forge
You have this constrained view of evolution where it only occurs in naturalistic...
Isn't it a pretty big argument in the biology community actually.
fast forge
Isn't it a pretty big argument in the biology community actually.
no it's not
I just threw this question to two of my fellow biologists at work, they agreed with me
fast forge
no it's not <:TI_LUL:461642094671429634>
the ethicality of the situation may be up for debate, but not whether it counts as evolution
Like, dogs have evolved, right? Despite artificial selection for millennia
calm axle
Because it develops the species
Evolution is adaptment
It naturally occurs When mutations Take Place in offspring
What he said there is artificial Evolution
calm axle
Somewhat wrong
Its artificial because the offspring have manmade mutations not naturally occuring ones
lethal moat
But it is still evolution, just artificially driven and precise
calm axle
It kinda just depends on what u consider Evolution
But by Definition its still Evolution just not natural
hexed forge
no it's not <:TI_LUL:461642094671429634>
Im pretty sure it is, from what I've seen.
Either way.. I keep thinking we are moving away from the main argument.
Is the sudden change in a specie, changing something from A to B, through gene-editing, an act of the creature evolving?
plush widget
i dont think so
lethal moat
Im pretty sure it is, from what I've seen.
Either way.. I keep thinking we are...
If it can be passed down, yes
hexed forge
The act of passing down that trait is evolution.
The act of it getting that trait through gene-editing is not
fast forge
Im pretty sure it is, from what I've seen.
Either way.. I keep thinking we are...
individuals don't evolve
populations evolve
fast forge
The act of passing down that trait is evolution.
The act of it getting that trai...
no its just an aspect of evolution
lethal moat
individuals don't evolve
populations evolve
I definitely think he’s confusing natural selection and evolution
fast forge
agreed
hexed forge
I disagree on the fact that Gene-Editing is artificial evolution 😭
fast forge
I disagree on the fact that Gene-Editing is artificial evolution 😭
how?
lethal moat
Why
fast forge
Gene editing is just another source of genetic change, like selective breeding
hexed forge
Why
Because it doesn't align with the definition for artificial evolution that I learned over the years
I see Artificial Evolution as selective breeding. 
There's probably some other minor factors part of Artificial Evolution that Im forgetting because they are not nearly talked about as much. But I dont think Gene Editing is part of it..
lethal moat
Because it doesn't align with the definition for artificial evolution that I lea...
Artificial evolution is not limited to selective breeding
fast forge
Because it doesn't align with the definition for artificial evolution that I lea...
it is a part of it
hexed forge
Im not sure
But if it somehow actually is part of it, then I still disagree on that then
Agree to disagree I suppose
hexed forge
https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938
" It introduces the term artificial evolution, here defined as the controlled micromanipulation of genetic information from one generation to the next, where the first variational step is engineered and the second selection step is insured by humankind. This is qualitatively different from natural evolution. The characteristics of this artificial mode of evolution are immediacy, as opposed to Darwin's law of gradualism, transclass descent, unlike Darwin's common descent, identity, as opposed to variety, and an artificial rate of mutational change, as opposed to a natural one. It constitutes evolution out of evolution, and redoubles our ethical responsibility for the future."
Perhaps I was wrong..
fast forge
just two types of evolution, artificial and natural
hexed forge
I have a strong tendency to hate Artificial Evolution right now due to me being wrong about it for several years (jk)
lethal moat
Lol
But yeah, with that discussion out of the way, I think replicator is at least in part, an evolution machine
hexed forge
I suppose so....
grave river
Another week down no Rex 😭
hexed forge
thanks
fast forge
Another week down no Rex 😭
we still got another 8+ hours before we can call it
devs use PST for this kind of stuff, and it's not even 2pm here
fast forge
do it right now
prisma crown
like 30%
acoustic osprey
Im pretty sure it is, from what I've seen.
Either way.. I keep thinking we are...
I just see that as akin to a mutation)
acoustic osprey
Any chance any hybrids will come this year?
You thinking strains? Probably not
fierce cradle
Rex , Trike , Allo ?
acoustic osprey
Rex , Trike , Allo ?
Rex is quite likely in a few weeks
fierce cradle
trike?
acoustic osprey
Trike is technically in
hallow ruin
Does anyone know when the elder model on omni peaks?
30-50 ig?
hallow ruin
Trike is technically in
hes talking strains.. right?
acoustic osprey
hes talking strains.. right?
No idea
fast forge
Any chance any hybrids will come this year?
Hybrids? Like a combination of dinosaurs?
fierce cradle
Strains I mean
fast forge
oh yeah strains are probably endgame stuff
right now we are still getting the basic mechanics and game loop
hexed forge
I just see that as akin to a mutation)
Its been resolved
I am just stupid 
acoustic osprey
Its been resolved
I am just stupid <:FilipeApproves:1222577958691274864>
i see your thinking, it is ok
it is very untraditional (the isle lore versus science)
so, for me, it is hard to come by what is happening
especially when science, in general, is pretty wacky
lethal moat
i see your thinking, it is ok
it is very untraditional (the isle lore versus sci...
Dire wolf time
acoustic osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1342793629852237824/th...
not yet
hexed forge
wow
When does it return
acoustic osprey
oh
hexed forge
TELL ME
acoustic osprey
when we get some HARD and real isle lore
hexed forge
wow
acoustic osprey
which is likely not even the next hotfix
hexed forge
Lol
acoustic osprey
woohoo
hexed forge
Honestly we might not get glance sheets at all this HT
Depends for how long it goes for
acoustic osprey
a bit of a shame
but them taking 'this long amount of time' could mean they're basically ready for it
that being glance sheets..
that depends though
did Don mean when GUTS is finished? or when the Hub is finished?
because, realistically, only thing left for the hub is being able to 'go into it'
unless they want the two sides of the volcano to connect?
then we might have to wait a bit
seeing as there looks to be a lot of underground stuff between the two points there
as we can see in-game rn
hexed forge
unless they want the two sides of the volcano to connect?
This makes sense
Feels better for exploration
hexed forge
*and maybe a bit more than glance sheets?*
acoustic osprey
https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-6815166390687140758
please do not mock my hope....
hexed forge
please do not mock my hope....
Im sorry...
hexed forge
wow
acoustic osprey
sometimes i think i am being passive aggressive and that people think i am acting higher than everyone
because i am a CC and have been here a long time
hexed forge
Damn,
Yeah no it's alright, I didn't notice any passive aggressiveness going around, I think..
acoustic osprey
Damn,
Yeah no it's alright, I didn't notice any passive aggressiveness going ar...
acoustic osprey
lettuce hope
fast forge
sometimes i think i am being passive aggressive and that people think i am actin...
I can get pretty sassy at times
not so much in this channel
fast forge
dawg
acoustic osprey
Exactly
fierce cradle
Hi .... Just heard next update is Tartarus .... Is that true?
lethal moat
Would be cool, but I doubt it
acoustic osprey
Hi .... Just heard next update is Tartarus .... Is that true?
no... likely no... but more Hub stuff? yeah quite likely
upbeat temple
t rex t rex t rex
snow jasper
the tyrant of lizards
fierce cradle
no... likely no... but more Hub stuff? yeah quite likely
So more empty spaces is it?
acoustic osprey
So more empty spaces is it?
Not for humans
But they will likely be 'empty' as in not very necessary for dinos
Yeah
But, it'll be a neat way to get through one side of the volcano to the other. Potentially
hexed forge
no... likely no... but more Hub stuff? yeah quite likely
Wow Isaac can’t believe you spread misinformation in the lorecord announcement
acoustic osprey
Wow Isaac can’t believe you spread misinformation in the lorecord announcement
sometimes
fierce cradle
are there any secrets in the south east island ?
acoustic osprey
there were tunnel entrances
but they are gone now
fierce cradle
so its place holder for now ?
acoustic osprey
who knows
i suppose it is just an empty island full of anything for now, yeah
iron anchor
top 10 theory
hallow ruin
the tag.
frozen totem
😂
acoustic osprey
this is a REALLY cool thingo that VraptorK made
basically download the html file
and drop it into google chrome
and you get something like this
hexed forge
Pretty cool
gaunt dawn
and you get something like this
low scarab
this is a REALLY cool thingo that VraptorK made
acoustic osprey
<:TI_ProudPtera:832581681864507422>
rah!!
acoustic osprey
Pretty cool
it is pretty sick
i can really imagine something similar-ish in Isle Lore
maybe as part of a lore hunt
alas, was cool
thank you Vraptor
hexed forge
Maybe
acoustic osprey
oh
sonic rampart
This channel is for discussing lore
fierce cradle
Apologies
hallow ruin
hi
acoustic osprey
hi
hallow ruin
<:TI_Frown:460545893834162191>
hey its you
low scarab
hey its you
I cannot paint for the life of me 🙏
hallow ruin
I cannot paint for the life of me 🙏
i cannot model for the life of me 🙏
low scarab
prime phoenix
and you get something like this
I REALLY like that
did you make that yourself
that's some sweet frontend
lethal moat
did you make that yourself
Vraptor made it
prime phoenix
that's actually really cool
smoky junco
indigo parcel
hexed forge
Great theories guys.. great theories
plush widget
How many islands are there?
Gateway might be the main one
multi - biome domes could test how creatures react to different environments
lethal moat
Minimum, we know of 2 in Evrima, not counting Spiro
plush widget
then AE might ship em off to the appropriate island
plush widget
Minimum, we know of 2 in Evrima, not counting Spiro
the other one being?
lethal moat
the other one being?
The reservation
plush widget
The reservation
What is that
lethal moat
What is that
hexed forge
Hunting Reserve is indeed canon
Anyway still holding onto the theory that Olympus is site 12
lethal moat
Olympus should be a headquarters building in the middle of a city
hexed forge
Perhaps
valid geyser
oh I was talking with my friend about isle lore and mentioned that reserve and how it’s like hunting dinosaurs and stuff
My friend also knew about EIPS or whatever it’s called (I forgor) and asked if any of the hunted dinosaurs could be those
I doubt it would be, but it brings up the question again of at what point are you considered human and at what point aren’t you
hexed forge
oh I was talking with my friend about isle lore and mentioned that reserve and h...
I’d say that it’s extremely unlikely for every asset to have an EIP in them
So those creatures specifically would probably not have EIPs in my opinion
But it’s just a theory!!
valid geyser
a game theory!!
acoustic osprey
I REALLY like that
It is sick
And yeah
VraptorK made it
prime phoenix
a game theory!!
I miss matpat 
acoustic osprey
Anyway still holding onto the theory that Olympus is site 12
I was gonna say it was
Then realised
Maybe have a look at what I said in lorecord
Or maybe I should bring it all here
hexed forge
Bring it all here
acoustic osprey
from ShinyDegos
would be quite interesting to see what 'story' stuff was held for Spero
like a reimagined AE-001 maybe?
I wonder if that 'plan' for Spero was a redone AE-001
AE-001 did have a recovery-thing as well
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1373537847449092107/Screen_Shot_2025-05-18_at_3.48.46_pm.png?ex=682b6f0d&is=682a1d8d&hm=8283fc0bf5dea3f9da932d704e816fbe1eccdfa1e5a204fa2b6aa982e4e43da6&
maybe Gateway is now AE-001 / Spero (depending on what Spero was supposed to be)?
DO NOT PASS GATEWAY. DO NOT ANSWER THE CALL.
but, i am just trying to properly collect info on Gateway from legacy
Because, Gateway was less defined in legacy
GATEWAY STATUS CHECK ERROR
REPLICATION IN PROGRESS
I CANNOT CHOOSE FAVORITES
YOU ARE BEING CONTROLLED
AWAITING SIGNAL FROM DOCKYARD.
IF YOU CAN HEAR THIS PHASE 1 HAS STARTED
REPLICATION IN PROGRESS
and with this
Site AE-12 Verified
Sat Link Verified
. . .
Syscheck Error
Network Integrity
Compromised
. . .
Electromagnetic
Fluctuation Detected
In Sector 4
. . .
-Search Query-
AE System Directory
Site I-04 / AE---
. . .
Sector H4
Lockdown Protocol Reset
. . .
Req. VDoc #47
Fatality Investigation Report
. . .
Indent
AE-012. TRX 8443
Req. Val: N/A
. . .
Apollo Core
O N L I N E
. . .
WARNING!
Gateway Containment Failure
does AE-12 (V3) have "Gateway" and H4 then (in legacy of course)?
acoustic osprey
but more on this quote^
i believe Don meant that he wanted Spero in first because it was more 'story' related / would contain more 'story-related' aspects on it than something like a less finished map
albeit, saying that, i do not remember Spero having 'lore stuff on it'
so likely Speros plan was to contain more Lore 'important' stuff
Maybe being the Site of OLYMPUS?
seeing as we knew Site-12 was OLYMPUS in legacy
(I actually don't know if this is correct. I will expand on this a bit later)
therefore, if that ERRANT-291 document is any correct (due to it being hidden under marker)
whatever island ERRANT-291 was in ||i would say Gateway because it has GUTS ... but i do not believe it is is just for Gateway anymore|| it would be Site-12 — therefore a theoretical "Isla Spero"?
we do see an OLYMPUS reference in ERRANT-291 (of course, we don't know how much OLYMPUS CC = OLYMPUS)
however, it does better the argument in my opinion
however, this is the part of my thinking which gets me very confused/brain foggy (maybe because of the several uni assignments i have due by the end of this week)
we would presume AE-012 = Site 12
but
Search Query: AE System Directory Site I-04/AE-012
which would mean Site I-04 = AE-012
but what substitutes as a "Site"? A whole island or can a site JUST be a facility on an island
therefore then
Site I-04 =/= AE-012
but
AE-012 has a Site labeled I-04
(?)
BUT AT THE SAME TIME
we also have a "Site 12"
(Which does not have the "I" in it. Just "Site 12")
Nor does it have "AE" in its name or another digit in it (it is not Site 012, for example)
pseudo lantern
voice messa
acoustic osprey
we would presume AE-012 = Site 12
but
> Search Query: AE System Directory Site I...
||note, AE-012 was early Legacy V3 with redwoods||
acoustic osprey
voice messa
NO
acoustic osprey
we also have a "Site 12"
(Which does not have the "I" in it. Just "Site 12")
Nor...
which is given code "OLYMPUS" (Site 12, that is)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1373541343024119888/Screen_Shot_2025-05-18_at_4.02.51_pm.png?ex=682b724f&is=682a20cf&hm=6fdde648f8e505c1096ae6edf936be9ce39dbce30f0f5a92fa9bde47f12a2c4e&
however
does Code OLYMPUS mean it (Site 12) contains OLYMPUS?
Or Code OLYMPUS mean it is a specific order for reclamation of Sites with minimal to no present control
@hexed forge the point i wanted to make for you about this
#isle-lore-theories message
echo gazelle
but more on this quote^
i believe Don meant that he wanted Spero in *first* bec...
I actually slightly recall something like this being said but moreso along the line of wanting them implemented in order as far as story goes
acoustic osprey
just to give a 'legacy pov' on it
acoustic osprey
I actually slightly recall something like this being said but moreso along the l...
Yeah, 5 maps iirc
echo gazelle
but spero was far too big and unfinished
acoustic osprey
Isla Spero, Thenyaw V2 then 3 more unknown ones
which likely means, from the dblog image shown, that Spiro was already in 'plan'
(which makes sense, given the term/phrase "dum Spiro, Spero"
acoustic osprey
but spero was far too big and unfinished
then we got Spiro... smaller and (quite likely) less unfinished
Albeit, most of us never got to try Spero. So maybe it also had a crazy amount of perf issues as well
acoustic osprey
we also have a "Site 12"
(Which does not have the "I" in it. Just "Site 12")
Nor...
and to sum this up
would this mean Site 12 is either Site I-04 or AE-012 (or both, depending on what i said above the replied message)?
yayyyyyyyy
echo gazelle
I don't remember Spero being an option, when Evrima first launched it started with Spiro
acoustic osprey
yeah only Spiro
i more so mean that only QAs really got to play on it (unsure if Admins or CCs did. I am pretty sure only CCs got to play Spiro early)
acoustic osprey
which is given code "OLYMPUS" (Site 12, that is)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/atta...
however i would say
it seems to be quite a high chance that Site 12 was AE-012
seeing as occam's razor suggests it
because i cannot remember if it was specifically clarified
not like that matters now.
echo gazelle
Ah gotcha, Site-I-04 I thought was V3 at the time. On the YouTube page it states recovered footage from prior inhabitants on I-04
acoustic osprey
More so
curious if Gateway has taken Speros place
and if Spero took anything of Legacys place
acoustic osprey
Ah gotcha, Site-I-04 I thought was V3 at the time. On the YouTube page it states...
yeah
which was likely confirmed again with OLYMPUS TRANSMITTER
seeing as we got it saying "Site I-04/AE-012"
albeit, tangled with The Eyeless / Cannibals (at the time)
ah little observation
NHS
similar to NHJ
interesting
acoustic osprey
yeah
which was likely confirmed again with OLYMPUS TRANSMITTER
seeing as we got ...
as i remember early v3 being labeled as AE-012, right?
echo gazelle
wow I haven't seen that ina while, I remember people going insane over what it was holding
acoustic osprey
maybe not know, has been a while
acoustic osprey
wow I haven't seen that ina while, I remember people going insane over what it w...
lol
acoustic osprey
V3 was supposedly AE-012 ye
acoustic osprey
and it supposedly held THE atrium
i mean
I would NOT be surprised if now Gateway has taken the facade of V3 (but under Evrimaised lore)
seeing as...
hexed forge
however
does Code OLYMPUS mean it (Site 12) contains OLYMPUS?
Or Code OLYMPUS me...
hmmmmm
acoustic osprey
i mean
I would NOT be surprised if now Gateway has taken the facade of V3 (but u...
Oh and the v3 radio tower
hexed forge
To make it looks like OLYMPUS is site 12. Olympus being a code name for Site 12, which seems like it would be appropriate in order to name the islands in a more "fancy?" way other than the boring, Site 1, site 2, etc.
Basically I see it in a similar light as HRS.12-S.174 having a short name AUGUSTUS, just an example.. even tho it's not even a location Lol
We would have to see more location designations in-lore which is what I hope GUTS would bring.. maybe..
acoustic osprey
hexed forge
albeit, tangled with The Eyeless / Cannibals (at the time)
hmmm
acoustic osprey
Just to me
Because it says Reclamation
It seems like it likely doesn't mean it was Olympus
But saying that
We don't know anything about this Reclamation
If Gateway = Site 12
Does that mean we might have a Reclamation of it? In lore, mayhaps?
hexed forge
Reclamation of Site-12 [OLYMPUS]
Is the way I see it
acoustic osprey
But it didn't do that though...
hexed forge
acoustic osprey
The syntax is different
But saying that
We can't really get it clarified anyways
Not like I think making Site 12 have OLYMPUS is important
hexed forge
Or does OLYMPUS have Site 12
acoustic osprey
The reclamation part interests me more
Plus V3 transmitting Gateway distress issues
Which does make me think maybe Gateway is V3 but better
Maybe... maybe
hexed forge
V3 being AE-12?
acoustic osprey
V3 being AE-12?
Aye, that part is real though
hexed forge
yes
acoustic osprey
As in, confirmed confirmed
In Legacy
hexed forge
aye
acoustic osprey
But yeah...
Even if Don saw this
I doubt he'd want to confirm or deny it
Seeing as this may or may not affect present day lore
hexed forge
we would presume AE-012 = Site 12
but
> Search Query: AE System Directory Site I...
Is it Site I-04, as in, an actual "i" or is it a roman numeral meaning 1
acoustic osprey
Is it Site I-04, as in, an actual "i" or is it a roman numeral meaning 1
An i, yes
Roman numeral? Likely not
Why use the Arabic numbers right after
Erbgħa...
(4)
hexed forge
yay
acoustic osprey
albeit, tangled with The Eyeless / Cannibals (at the time)
It is weird though
Why 04?
acoustic osprey
ah little observation
NHS
similar to NHJ
Also did you see this Cerato
hexed forge
Legacy lore is funky
hexed forge
Also did you see this Cerato
Yup
acoustic osprey
Yay
hexed forge
That is some sort of Neuro asset in the image yea?
And we know that the halloween event, aka NHJ, is connected to Neuros.
acoustic osprey
That is some sort of Neuro asset in the image yea?
And we know that the hallowee...
Eyeless
hexed forge
Indeed, so yes
acoustic osprey
Legacy lore is funky
acoustic osprey
That is some sort of Neuro asset in the image yea?
And we know that the hallowee...
It is interesting
Although doesn't help us with trying to find out what nhj means...
hexed forge
yay
acoustic osprey
But it does seem quite likely
hexed forge
In that case, could NHJ be a parasite/disease/virus spread by the eyeless, or/and the echidna. Echidna being the main CARRIER of such disease/virus/parasite
acoustic osprey
In that case, could NHJ be a parasite/disease/virus spread by the eyeless, or/an...
Honestly
I have a feeling it is a revitalisation of 'neuro goo'
Just with a proper name
hexed forge
lol
acoustic osprey
So I wouldn't be surprised
Seeing as it seems like Echidna had spores
Maybe they're making it only by bite?
Unless Echidnas ability is to produce those spores, carrying them and passing them off to unknowing victims
hexed forge
Seeing as it seems like Echidna had spores
Maybe they're making it only by bite?...
The latter would be my guess imo
acoustic osprey
The latter would be my guess imo
Yay
gaunt dawn
Isle lore theories
acoustic osprey
Isle lore theories
Yes
granite ore
Are Spero and Spiro the same island? Or are they two different locations that happen to have nearly identical names?
lethal moat
Are Spero and Spiro the same island? Or are they two different locations that ha...
Different
hexed forge
^
acoustic osprey
Are Spero and Spiro the same island? Or are they two different locations that ha...
(Dum Spiro, Spero)
low scarab
Are Spero and Spiro the same island? Or are they two different locations that ha...
Iirc spero first iteration but way to big so spiro was made and it’s similar but a lil smaller
And spiro is what was actually implemented
hexed forge
And then Spero was never seen again!!-
pseudo lantern
And then Spero was never seen again!!-
one
hexed forge
two
granite ore
Three
acoustic osprey
lore
hexed forge
Wow
hallow ruin
Why use the Arabic numbers right after
Hi im not new here
acoustic osprey
oh
hallow ruin
~~seeing as we knew Site-12 was OLYMPUS in legacy~~
(I actually don't know if th...
doesnt that make V3 olympus? AE-12 is V3, correct?
thats as you mentioned above
acoustic osprey
doesnt that make V3 olympus? AE-12 is V3, correct?
thats as you mentioned above
AE-012 (AE-12 presumably) is V3, yeah
acoustic osprey
which is given code "OLYMPUS" (Site 12, that is)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/atta...
but i bring up the validity of if OLYMPUS = Site 12 (AE-012?) here
hallow ruin
(which makes sense, given the term/phrase "dum Spiro, Spero"
dum spiro?
hallow ruin
ah little observation
NHS
similar to NHJ
im not sure what this means but i assume NHS stands to whats in the image? (cannibals/probably gonna be Gen1s if NHS becomes cannon)
so maybe NHJ might stand for DINOSAURS that.. have that... idk.. problem? neurotonic effect/infection
do we know if Gen1/cannibals connect to N type at all? away from mother of cannibals (yes ik the name isnt cannon but i cant spell its actual name)
acoustic osprey
im not sure what this means but i assume NHS stands to whats in the image? (cann...
(the thing in the image is also a Eyeless as well)
acoustic osprey
do we know if Gen1/cannibals connect to N type at all? away from mother of canni...
mother of cannibals was canon
hallow ruin
also if u know who made this i wanna know who they are 🙂
acoustic osprey
also if u know who made this i wanna know who they are 🙂
https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/comments/1dh4xfa/i_made_a_model_of_the_dome_while_i_was_waiting_in/
yay
hallow ruin
this is what first gont my attention
this is NOT fricking cannon. right? 😂
snow jasper
baja jajo baja jajo
acoustic osprey
this is what first gont my attention
this is NOT fricking cannon. right? 😂
real life lore
hallow ruin
lit.
"While i breathe, i hope"
got it
hallow ruin
mother of cannibals was canon
WAS, not IS
acoustic osprey
WAS, not IS
could still likely be
I don't see why not to be fair
but, yeah
we'll definitely have to see
or if it just will be "Echidna"
hallow ruin
(the thing in the image is also a Eyeless as well)
yeah this is what i mean
maybe theres some namings or categories, its like...
NHS = humanoid nuero goo infected
NHJ = dinosaur neuro goo infected
(away from if neuro goo is real or not its just for the example)
acoustic osprey
oh yeah
i can imagine that
hallow ruin
LMAOOO I FOUND YOUUU @low scarab #isle-lore-theories message
been digging for a whole year now VraptorK....
acoustic osprey
lol
hallow ruin
oh yeah
i can imagine that
whats interesting is what could the NHJ or NHS mean
hallow ruin
real life lore
thats a crazy theory
hallow ruin
lol
also im 100% sure that guy did not model it 😭 he really datamined the model 100%
this is such a cap
muted hill
are the NHJ/S to do with the zombiefied dinosaurs and the neuros? only thing with NH I could find is necrohemorrhagic which is something inflamatory that destroys certain malignat tissues, atleast from what google tells me
hallow ruin
this sounds very lore-y
acoustic osprey
thats a crazy theory
SCIENCE
acoustic osprey
also im 100% sure that guy did not model it 😭 he really datamined the model 100...
maybe
acoustic osprey
are the NHJ/S to do with the zombiefied dinosaurs and the neuros? only thing wit...
NHJ is the only one known for Evrima
but ye
the zombie dinos from last year
known to be connected to Neuros somehow
but interesting
acoustic osprey
ye
muted hill
but I think im just looking at random medical terms now
acoustic osprey
lol
muted hill
of course I should have known 
but yeah I do think the N is for necro or neuro mainly
if they are of the same origin maybe the S is for the senior version of the virus/strain whatever and the J is a juvenile state of it
hallow ruin
of course I should have known <:TI_Troll:472576085482143745> but yeah I do think...
what does NHS in this website stand for?
muted hill
national health service, its our healthcare here in the UK
NHJ just gave me a TV personality...
frozen totem
what does NHS in this website stand for?
In America that's National Honors Society
hallow ruin
😭
low scarab
LMAOOO I FOUND YOUUU <@623649226995400715> https://discord.com/channels/4014640...
Yooo what that’s not me bruh
Someone stole my name that’s crazy
hallow ruin
oh yeah yeah ofcourse
low scarab
hallow ruin
not like ive been Dming u about it for a year...
acoustic osprey
lol
low scarab
not like ive been Dming u about it for a year...
Wait fr?
low scarab
u said u got it from somewhere but dont remember where
Got what?
Also which post is that on?
Like what 3d model
low scarab
also im 100% sure that guy did not model it 😭 he really datamined the model 100...
Also yes I found this out when I looked at the model there were parts missing and stuff that he definitely wouldn’t have left if he modeled it himself
acoustic osprey
what does this mean
low scarab
I might could get ss of the model later to show you but it was 100% ripped from the game files
hallow ruin
what does this mean
Perimeter is uhh i forgot the word
not procedural
basically made out of a base model + kit of smaller objects
hallow ruin
u can extract the base mesh in 5 seconds, but finding and putting all the smallr objects into place will take several hours
which tells how low effort datamine he did
acoustic osprey
u can extract the base mesh in 5 seconds, but finding and putting all the smallr...
i see
hallow ruin
we saw it in the dblog when Vis was still making it
eactly yeah
i was really planning to make it, (ofcourse not to put it on reddit and call it mine) but to use it for some fanart
but there was a wierd issue which is some textures were.. missing
acoustic osprey
ugh, i find you again
imagine if we got this in the 'opening' section of Perm instead of the actual building thingo (that is at Docks as well)
low scarab
eactly yeah
i was really planning to make it, (*ofcourse not to put it on reddit...
Maybe that’s what I saw on the model then
hallow ruin
exactly 💀
its worth the effort to put these together as the game dev
but its not for anyone else
acoustic osprey
exactly 💀
its worth the effort to put these together *as the game dev*
but its...
ye
hallow ruin
(i might do it cuz im crazy and obsessed )
acoustic osprey
lol
patent ginkgo
@timid sage #isle-lore-theories message this is a good concentrated place to look if you haven’t already found it
timid sage
<@974136077923274805> https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/4014805734...
ill take a look
granite ore
Does Perimetre have a biodome in it, or is it just a really big building?Which dome has/will have the redwoods in it?
patent ginkgo
Does Perimetre have a biodome in it, or is it just a really big building?Which d...
Perimeter is the large hexagonal “biodome”, and is likely to include redwoods given some hints we’ve been given
fast forge
Does Perimetre have a biodome in it, or is it just a really big building?Which d...
From what I understand, 'Perimeter' is a name taken from the game files, and may not reflect any true canon name. 'Atrium' seems to be the most canon name we've got (I think Don called it that), but you might also hear it referred to as the 'hexadome'
granite ore
Ok, thanks!
timid sage
Will we have Anomalocaris
fast forge
unlikely
hallow ruin
From what I understand, 'Perimeter' is a name taken from the game files, and may...
if Perimeter cant be cannon why would it be in files
and if it doesnt hint at its actual job (biodome) what does it mean, what was the purpose of it
proud raven
https://youtu.be/6YsNRnZRgg8?si=5J__lk8t69-8c11D
Rest easy, sweetling
proud raven
https://tenor.com/view/anomalocaris-cambrian-violence-opabinia-fossil-gif-241026...
YESSS KILL HIM MY SWEET ANOMALOCARIS
timid sage
I wish these sweet little idiots were still alive
But isntead we have these hateful idiots
fast forge
I love chelicerates but this is the lore channel
timid sage
I love chelicerates but this is the lore channel
I did ask lore
timid sage
Will we have Anomalocaris
Here
fast forge
if Perimeter cant be cannon why would it be in files
I didn't say it "cannot" be canon
And in the game files Perimeter may not be the name of the dome
It's multiple assets that have the name perimeter attached to them, right?
Those might just be parts of the outer edge (the perimeter) of the atrium
Idk I don't look at the game files
lethal moat
But isntead we have these hateful idiots
Don’t you dare go and slander horseshoe crabs in my presence
hallow ruin
It's multiple assets that have the name perimeter attached to them, right?
its the assets of the hexa-dome
basically, perimeter OBVIOUSLY reffers to X facility (being the mega dome, hexagon dome, the big atrium or bio-dome.)
fast forge
its the assets of the hexa-dome
But these don't say Perimeter
hallow ruin
But these don't say Perimeter
https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/4...
sorry my bad. i meant folders, they are actually named perimeter and do have these assets
but yeah you could argue Perimeter could stand for domes in general and not specifically perimeter because; the ASSETS are named "Dome-"
but what proves this false is that the domes/aviaries/bio-domes' folder is named "Dome"
but once again as u said game files arent to be taken as a clue because its not even meant to be looked at, this is lowkey cheating, added to that devs can easily intentionally (or not) mislead with it 🤷♂️
my point was just questioning the meaning of "Perimeter" and why it connects stright to "hexagon dome/atrium/megadome"
lethal moat
I’ve been calling it the Atrium as of recent
hexed forge
Same
low scarab
but once again as u said game files arent to be taken as a clue because its not ...
Perimeter probably has something to do with experimental species
Ones that maybe need to be studied before release onto the island
hallow ruin
Perimeter probably has something to do with experimental species
we do already know it has Redwood
but we'll see 🤷♂️
oh about that
we have seen in dev streams theres some enclosures made witht he hyper fences in smth like squares, like its some zoo
and that had redwood
which i THINK? connects (thats the interior of perimeter i assume)
and that makes a lot of sence with the viewing platform in the middle of it
low scarab
we do already know it has Redwood
but we'll see 🤷♂️
Ik but still
Seems like a fitting location
hallow ruin
im saying yes, could be both
low scarab
and that makes a lot of sence with the viewing platform in the middle of it
Yea yea
fast forge
Perimeter probably has something to do with experimental species
I'd argue that the big dome is for ecology/botany studies, especially since the redwoods will probably be there. In the real world as far as animal enclosures go, biodomes are usually reserved for smaller animals and plants
Hypers need hyper fences
And the dibble injection suggests breeding/production exists elsewhere, i.e. not on gateway
Really you enclose spaces in a big dome when you need to control the climate, and humidity in particular
acoustic osprey
I'd argue that the big dome is for ecology/botany studies, especially since the ...
Don did say something like this
when he was first asked about the 'domes' on Gateway, a year or two ago
i believe Iris asked the question
nope, Winters
but still
echo gazelle
I remember an old V3 map overlay he showed that had a Botanical Gardens Biodome, maybe for the plant variations testing
acoustic osprey
i'll try and find the vod clip of it
https://youtu.be/pNJbbshy500?t=468
this one
woohoo
forgot it showed this
Man looking at old stuff doesn't help
now i need MORE
but all good things come to those who wait
echo gazelle
Ahh the temples
acoustic osprey
sacrifice !!
echo gazelle
And right, idk why I got hyped by rewatching that
acoustic osprey
you will be rewarded
acoustic osprey
And right, idk why I got hyped by rewatching that
lol
if only 2019 didn't happen...
echo gazelle
like I was in that stream and seeing it again gives the urge to go in-game and look around for no reason
acoustic osprey
like I was in that stream and seeing it again gives the urge to go in-game and l...
mmmm
low scarab
you will be rewarded
How do we think the gen 1 or even dinosaurs are rewarded for their efforts by the replicator
hexed forge
How do we think the gen 1 or even dinosaurs are rewarded for their efforts by th...
The process or the reward itself?
lethal moat
How do we think the gen 1 or even dinosaurs are rewarded for their efforts by th...
Mutations Premium package
acoustic osprey
ludonarrative
I like this term
ionic fog
Mutations Premium package
only $1.99 per % of growth!!
acoustic osprey
only $1.99 per % of growth!!
or your life
ionic fog
or your life
How about one thousand
acoustic osprey
How about one thousand
tidal pine
hi
lethal moat
Hello
acoustic osprey
hi
knotty locust
hi
that name with that profile picture triggers me
mainly because bots use generic first names like that, profile pictures like that, and have a jumble of letters followed by a dash and 3 random digits
nimble fractal
😂
hallow ruin
where the hell is this from
holy crap idk how i got dragged up all the way to here
but look @low scarab ! concept arts!! isle concept arts WOOOO
what the hell is all of this?! what are these concpets who made them where can i find them?!
hexed forge
what the hell is all of this?! what are these concpets who made them where can i...
It’s from a Don stream.
An old legacy stream
muted hill
oh heck
low scarab
The process or the reward itself?
The reward
low scarab
Mutations Premium package
This was my thought
muted hill
low scarab
My thought is each step takes you closer to becoming the perfect organism
fast forge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/289864655252226049/781110173744758814/u...
that version is missing the catwalk structures
low scarab
And all the creatures are trying to BE that perfect organism
muted hill
so it is
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/289864655252226049/781106403460775946/unknown.png?ex=682dad06&is=682c5b86&hm=571c0ca1a4d71418c2ddfbbc4ae1c2e7b43ac3e5f702f344f865a2e5d93e64ef&=&format=webp&quality=lossless also got this one if its of any relevance
low scarab
holy crap idk how i got dragged up all the way to here
but look <@62364922699540...
Wooo
fast forge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/289864655252226049/781106403460775946/u...
that seems to be the missing catwalk
muted hill
that seems to be the missing catwalk
its not a research facility its more of a holding pen
low scarab
sick
lethal moat
Yeah that central "tower" gives panopticon vibes
That’s one of the least efficient prisons ever built lol
strange shell
That’s one of the least efficient prisons ever built lol
Only second to Kung Fu Panda 1's prison
hexed forge
No lore...
What happened in isle-discussion lol?
fast forge
No lore...
What happened in isle-discussion lol?
just endless matchup debates, it's tiring
hexed forge
lol
acoustic osprey
just endless matchup debates, it's tiring
Of course
acoustic osprey
i woke up dead tired looking at this
seeing what you said
and i was gonna reply with
"but that is a panopticon"
then realised, waking up, that it is
because you're saying that area looked like that lol
acoustic osprey
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/289864655252226049/781110173744758814/u...
fast forge
lol
acoustic osprey
which after looking at it again
it does actually look like that
which i do find interesting
acoustic osprey
but its just faces concrete walls
with a tiny bit of ceiling to wall glass at the top it seems
an interesting design
fast forge
the windows in each structure do seem to be on level with each other
acoustic osprey
i do believe this thing was supposed to be resurrected with that Gateway leaked map
I still wonder if it'll come
of course, it has no purpose till humans are out
acoustic osprey
the windows in each structure do seem to be on level with each other
mmmmm true
acoustic osprey
If it is a prison, perhaps it contains gen 1?
mayhaps
fast forge
(how do I always mix up gen 1 & 2)
I figure they are adept at traversing most environments, but maybe not water
acoustic osprey
oh wait it says it right here
although
not helping that much
acoustic osprey
more so
what is it researching
although, i was thinking prison as in like Tartarus
both to hold and to study (create in the specific case of Tartarus, especially in legacy)
acoustic osprey
yeah true
seeing as they have 'another' that says for biological organism
it might just be for anything marine related
where this one, above, (being on land) relating to anything on land i suppose
fast forge
Biological organism?
All organisms are biological
acoustic osprey
as cool as this V3 map was
it did always look a bit decentralised/disconnected
acoustic osprey
Biological organism?
All organisms are biological
an isle loreful mystery....
bleak herald
Biological organism?
All organisms are biological
We've been making synthetic organisms for a few years in real life
acoustic osprey
as cool as this V3 map was
it did always look a bit decentralised/disconnected
(like a lot of those buildings do seemingly be placed in very far and weird spots)
fast forge
We've been making synthetic organisms for a few years in real life
they still have biology...
acoustic osprey
We've been making synthetic organisms for a few years in real life
but they still have 'biology' about them though?
oh,... thanks Tiny!!!!!
bleak herald
depends
acoustic osprey
depends <:TI_Troll:472576085482143745>
fast forge
if it's not biological, it's not alive
acoustic osprey
(like a lot of those buildings do seemingly be placed in very far and weird spot...
like there is a medical facility
at the far south of V3
quite away from other things
fast forge
not even along the monorail smh my head
acoustic osprey
yeah lol
like i like the disconnected nature of it
because it would be scary
I presume there would be roads made (like we've seen of that one old artwork)
but seems a bit unnecessary
why not have them all in one place? (or mostly in one place)
as the scientist/worker village is at the far south east
which is another distance away lol
fast forge
what is with the two identical phallus-shaped lakes?
if they are lakes
oh nvm wrong color
acoustic osprey
oh yeah
i didn't notice that
hexed forge
not even along the monorail smh my head
I wonder if GUTS was a planned thing during Legacy
acoustic osprey
I wonder if GUTS was a planned thing during Legacy
the only latest time we knew of GUTS was under Spire on Spire
which was just a cave system under the spire
fast forge
I have no idea, I only played 15 mins of legacy
acoustic osprey
there was a 'Tribal' tunnel entrance artwork
Luncha probably has immediately on hand lol
hexed forge
the only latest time we knew of GUTS was under Spire on Spire
which was just a c...
Yeah but like, internally, I wonder if it was a planned concept.
Would explain these random facilities being separated from any main transportation routes..
acoustic osprey
what is with the two identical phallus-shaped lakes?
oh waterfalls
mayhaps
same thing on the north west
must be
hexed forge
Yes those are waterfalls
fast forge
ohhh I see now
acoustic osprey
Yeah but like, internally, I wonder if it was a planned concept.
Would explain ...
likely not
it would've been marked tbf
Seeing as GUTS was only a cave system back then
I do doubt they had a fully planned 'guts-akin' underground transport system
likely just roads
seeing as this fits the area of 'the broadcasting' station
and the v3 grey look of that map
imo
hexed forge
I wish this was higher res..
acoustic osprey
I wish this was higher res..
I might, once Uni is done
try to recreate this
just hi-res
it'd definitely help me when i make the mod for it
hexed forge
Yeah
fast forge
I wish this was higher res..
spell geyser correctly in your version
acoustic osprey
Thats.. Don's version..
not what tiny meant... lol
more so
Tiny saying, it seems, if you make one
spell it correctly unlike that one
fast forge
Thats.. Don's version..
when isaac makes his own version
acoustic osprey
unless tiny thinks you made that!! then spell it better !!!
acoustic osprey
when isaac makes his own version
acoustic osprey
woohoo
hexed forge
We shall never get Glance Sheets
acoustic osprey
We shall never get Glance Sheets
SOON I tell you
probably once or a bit after Rex comes on HT
hexed forge
Maybe
acoustic osprey
Maybe
however, though
definitely might take a bit of time
maybe a week or two
hexed forge
yay...
lethal moat
Found another song I feel fits lore reasonably well
Also, watching The Lair, same director as The Descent, more gen 1 similarities, will report back
lethal moat
Also, watching The Lair, same director as The Descent, more gen 1 similarities, ...
Story was meh, but hey, large sightless humanoid biological weapons
acoustic osprey
interesting
pseudo lantern
The isle is a game about dinosaurs on a isle
are they dinosaurs
acoustic osprey
oh no...
tame quarry
are they dinosaurs
Or are they dancers ?
lethal moat
Or are they dancers ?
Well they aren’t exactly dinosaurs
tame quarry
Well they aren’t exactly dinosaurs
They’re modified genomes of several creatures mixed with dna was found in prehistoric sapling that John Hammond extracted to make them
acoustic osprey
Hammond...
acoustic osprey
exactly
tame quarry
What if the dinosaurs on the isle just never went extinct and are just found chilling there
And the humans don’t exist and they dinosaurs built all the structures
Would make sense since we can’t even play as them after 10 years
pseudo lantern
You can actually
tame quarry
You can actually
Shhh evrima admin server doesn’t count
tame quarry
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/...
Sign me up I’m gonna scooby doo this chat
acoustic osprey
uh oh lol
lethal moat
Sign me up I’m gonna scooby doo this chat
pseudo lantern
Shhh evrima admin server doesn’t count
Not admin!
pseudo lantern
It is an option for unofficials
lethal moat
Gen 1 should be able to vlad the impaler people, for the aesthetic
nimble fractal
I heavily agree with that statement above
low scarab
I wish this was higher res..
i lowkey miss v3
low scarab
The isle is a game about dinosaurs on a isle
"isnt the lore basically just jurassic park"
hallow ruin
I wish this was higher res..
do u notice the airpost top-left of the barrier type thing 💀
fast forge
"isnt the lore basically just jurassic park"
it is kinda like jurassic park but darker and more corporate, with more horrible mutants
low scarab
it is kinda like jurassic park but darker and more corporate, with more horrible...
Jurassic park but no park and they use an ai machine to make life in order safe humanity
Oh and I forgot to mention possible eternal suffering and shifty company with freaky monsters
fast forge
Jurassic park but no park and they use an ai machine to make life in order safe ...
also maybe immortality
hexed forge
do u notice the airpost top-left of the barrier type thing 💀
Yes
granite ore
Since the Galli glance sheet mentions feathered ones, is it possible we get a feathered version of the Galli in the game? Or will they just exist in lore?
acoustic osprey
Since the Galli glance sheet mentions feathered ones, is it possible we get a fe...
we would hope so
but sadly, i don't even think we'd heard anything on it though
At least, not for ages
acoustic osprey
Officially starting my reading of:
The Isle Theory Document.
welcome to the club!!!!
of course, if you have any questions to clarify !
lethal moat
but sadly, i don't even think we'd heard anything on it though
At least, not for...
I’m personally hoping for skins as rewards for achievements
acoustic osprey
fair
lethal moat
Like, galli drank the forbidden soup in the lab, get feathered
acoustic osprey
i used to wish for rewards like that for Elder
would be cool
like the 'carchar alt skin' for giga
acoustic osprey
do u notice the airpost top-left of the barrier type thing 💀
which thing?
this?
if you are talking about that
that is this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289864655252226049/781110173744758814/unknown.png?ex=682faac9&is=682e5949&hm=e008582508fa0cbc21af5849dc84e48537fba06538317bbc6ced65b718a91bd0
by the looks of it
fast forge
There does seem to be a lot of crossover with locations on that map and places we are seeing/will see on gateway
acoustic osprey
wait a second
THATS MONORAIL THATS NOT A FENCE
ye lol
acoustic osprey
There does seem to be a lot of crossover with locations on that map and places w...
my theory could be semi-correct... AE-012 (V3) being now Gateway....
fast forge
The base?
acoustic osprey
no
fast forge
what is it again, remind me
acoustic osprey
Gateway being a repurposed V3 (the map)
in lore
acoustic osprey
i'll try and take you to my slerg about it from a few days ago
fast forge
Gateway being a repurposed V3 (the map)
in lore
But this is an interesting concept
acoustic osprey
I thought 012 was a designation for a specific place on an island
AE-012 specifically is V3 (was the old name for it)
But what you're thinking of might be Site 12
only thing is this is where legacy lore died
so we never really got clarification on if Site 12 = AE-012
but occams razor !
fast forge
Oh I thought the -012 designation was for Site 12, mb
acoustic osprey
Oh I thought the -012 designation was for Site 12, mb
nah it's ok
it is a presumption i used to have
but i really can't remember and couldn't find anything saying that Site 12 = AE-012 (as in hard evidence)
fast forge
so we never really got clarification on if Site 12 = AE-012
I see I see 
tbh I kinda have no idea where V3 is in the timeline of the game
I started in pre-cerato evrima spiro, everything prior to that is mostly myth and legend for me
I take it V3 was a map that people played on? And not just a concept? Monorails and such?
acoustic osprey
tbh I kinda have no idea where V3 is in the timeline of the game
I started in pr...
fair
acoustic osprey
I take it V3 was a map that people played on? And not just a concept? Monorails ...
this one
changed a bit fair
the bottom right area used to be a redwoods area iirc
and had a cannibal/eyeless statue on it
fast forge
but then what is this?
acoustic osprey
acoustic osprey
but then what is this?
this was V3 in 2019
if it ever happened
like the Gateway leak
but didn't come into fruition because... yeah 2019
fast forge
I see
acoustic osprey
but people played on this version?
yeah
still can play now if they ... want to play on Legacy (if they are crazy)
that map i sent with the green
that is the current look of it
fast forge
Okay okay I was on there for like 15 mins at one point, in that case
acoustic osprey
lol
fast forge
I picked dryo as my first animal, saw a big mixpack with huge animals
acoustic osprey
classic
hallow ruin
any idea when was this? like what branch
hexed forge
Looks like something from 2017
acoustic osprey
any idea when was this? like what branch
early V3
limber frigate
how goes the lore
lethal moat
Airfield on the southeast islands 🤞
echo gazelle
any idea when was this? like what branch
Those statues were featured around June 2018 when AE-012 on the Legacy branch was briefly a map on a server along with redwoods, some ruins, cannibal mountain, the giant rib cage, caves etc which then followed the so called "release" of the Eyeless(Cannibals at the time)/NHS batch 12 July 2018
snow jasper
This is literally me when I have nowhere to sit
fast forge
Airfield on the southeast islands 🤞
I just realized how big that ocean facility in the NW is, it's as big as the hexadome in that image
lethal moat
I just realized how big that ocean facility in the NW is, it's as big as the hex...
Just keep swimming
fast forge
Just keep swimming
but I'm on land...
lethal moat
fast forge
it's okay, I'm going to starve because I chose to enter the swamp
lethal moat
Hold up
Some form of communication with gen 1 is totally possible
Like, as a human
Was that something that was explored extensively, do they have other methods, or is it just conditioning
acoustic osprey
~ If they speak to you, do not reply ~
lethal moat
“What am I”
knotty locust
~ If they speak to you, do not reply ~
“ay mate got any fat durries i could scuff off you mate”
the Apollo engineering employee who just got employed a week ago as he takes one step outside the building:
acoustic osprey
“What am I”
I do wonder what 'they' would and could say...
hallow ruin
Those statues were featured around June 2018 when AE-012 on the Legacy branch wa...
thanks a lot 🙏
lethal moat
I do wonder what 'they' would and could say...
You food me eat food you eat
hallow ruin
I do wonder what 'they' would and could say...
we need to know the context of this
fast forge
“What am I”
meager junco
icy onyx
hexed forge
No new lore
plush widget
🥀
grand sigil
crazy nostalgia
low scarab
https://tenor.com/view/hd_nxx-gif-26166561
W movie btw
lethal moat
W movie btw
Just watched it last night, I agree
low scarab
Some form of communication with gen 1 is totally possible
Yk what would be cool
Is if dondi did some kind of code language like that which we had to decode
lethal moat
Sounds like a pain in the ass
low scarab
Sounds fun
low scarab
Have dondi develop some alien language buried in layers of cyphers
Need to learn cryptography to get the lore
low scarab
~ If they speak to you, do not reply ~
@hallow ruin I want them to talk nicely like portal 2 turrets
“Is anybody there?”
Maybe with a bit of a raspy voice
hallow ruin
<@875112149360451584> I want them to talk nicely like portal 2 turrets
im doomed 😔
pseudo lantern
im xenon
hallow ruin
im new here
hallow ruin
https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-%D0%B7%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%B8%D1...
no not my gif 😔
you are a MONSTER
low scarab
you are a MONSTER
acoustic osprey
<@875112149360451584> I want them to talk nicely like portal 2 turrets
"thank you"
would be and will be really cool once we get more context to stuff like this
like are they Gen1s...
or are they Gen2s?
if Gen2s
that would be crazy
i mean, both options would have their own 'craziness' to them
but imagine being told not to talk to people that look JUST like you (as in, they are pretty much human)
these are still so cool though
https://gyazo.com/85ca98cd2c02176aaa230d083d5f2770
i do believe the option of 'them' being Gen1s is higher
but
food for thought, y'know
fast forge
i do believe the option of 'them' being Gen1s is higher
The Gen 1 option is creepier
But if the Gen 2 is like a puppet for an AI it gets creepy again
acoustic osprey
The Gen 1 option is creepier
maybe
i suppose it depends on how they sound like
i would just imagine, humans being 'bared' away to talk with other humans (who look and act just like humans) being something that would seem crazy
and a bit creepy
knotty locust
these are still so cool though
https://gyazo.com/85ca98cd2c02176aaa230d083d5f27...
Note the “you should not hear an echo” thing
acoustic osprey
Note the “you should not hear an echo” thing
they are all so weird
in a good way
mildly creepy
knotty locust
is this referencing (x) trying to speak, yelling, or radio
acoustic osprey
and we're yet to really truly understand what this means
acoustic osprey
is this referencing (x) trying to speak, yelling, or radio
who knows...
all we have for the context of such is just the line itself... which... yeah not really context
besides that it would be part of 'this'
whatever this is
Site-12?
Gateway? (if Site-12 isn't Gateway)
The Atrium?
something else?
knotty locust
Initially I assumed it was in reference to telepathy
telepathy not creating an echo, after all
or wait, the other way around
acoustic osprey
mmmm
potentially
acoustic osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/Mo...
it is weird to think though
i wonder why ONLY the first ERRANT-291 sheet was 'readable'
as in, we could decipher the marker areas on the first sheet
i mean
maybe there is?
https://gyazo.com/ccfd069eab0a490724a5b5ce883cbd0d
but clearly not the 'same' way as the 1st document
which makes me think that no
you can't decipher it
knotty locust
i wonder why ONLY the first ERRANT-291 sheet was 'readable'
as in, we could deci...
age of the sheet
the one way up above looks new and fresh
the one you just linked looks old
two different documentation styles or something
outer plank
The HERRERASAURUS is the mastermind behind everything
acoustic osprey
age of the sheet
we do know they're from the same 'era'
as the 2nd document was carried by ERRANT-291
i suppose the marker could be older? But markers don't really do that? Not sure
I don't really have an old piece of paper with marker to shine light through
so i don't really know
acoustic osprey
The HERRERASAURUS is the mastermind behind everything
augustus...
hallow ruin
one day lorians, one day ill finish it 🙏
acoustic osprey
one day lorians, one day ill finish it 🙏
Yay
granite ore
Maybe the ‘echo’ is referring to Troodon mimicking? Is that still part of the lore?
Though the context of the sentence makes it sound like it’s referring to a sound that doesn’t echo.
I’m slightly confused. Did any of what I just said make sense?
low scarab
Maybe the ‘echo’ is referring to Troodon mimicking? Is that still part of the lo...
That was my initial thought
But we can’t rule out gen 1
lethal moat
Echo implies it’s something perceived to be loud
acoustic osprey
it is so weird though
acoustic osprey
Echo implies it’s something perceived to be loud
or something that has been repeated
which, even then, it is a bit weird
the sentence is very 'uh? what?'
acoustic osprey
seeing as ChatGPT is based on the identification of sentences and words... especially semantics...
Something unnatural is in the jungle
Echo = evidence of artificial structures (e.g., metal walls, bunkers, tech installations).
The jungle isn’t supposed to produce echoes — so if you hear one, maybe:
There’s a man-made presence,
Something has cleared an area (opening echo space),
Something is mimicking sound (creature, technology, etc.).
Implication: Something foreign or unnatural is present.Something is repeating your sound
Echo = something calling back.
Jungle is dense — sound shouldn’t reflect that clearly.
If your voice or footsteps echo back, maybe:
There’s someone (or something) copying you,
An entity is imitating noises.
Implication: You're not alone. Something intelligent may be mimicking.
granite ore
Does Gen 1 have the ability to mimic, or just Troodon? Is there anything else that might mimic? I can’t think of anything, but I’m not as familiar with the lore as you all are.
Do we have a general idea of how intelligent Gen 1 is?
acoustic osprey
Do we have a general idea of how intelligent Gen 1 is?
not really
only thing we know atm, excluding Troodon
is The Echidna / Neurotenic Mastermind
which can perfectly replicate human voices
so potentially Gen1s could try and 'echo' sounds, especially voices
granite ore
only thing we know atm, excluding Troodon
is The Echidna / Neurotenic Mastermind...
Is it possible that might be who the document is referring to with an echo? I feel like they would be locked up in Tartarus though.
acoustic osprey
Is it possible that might be who the document is referring to with an echo? I fe...
mayhaps!
it would help if we could understand what this word was 😔
lethal moat
Extremely helpful warning
acoustic osprey
lol
granite ore
it would help if we could understand what this word was <:TI_LUL:461642094671429...
I will make sure to report any
echo gazelle
Was it Gen 1, was it Echidna, or was it ERRANT-291. Why were they detained, why were they wandering section D with no biotrace and only an employee badge. The torn sheet they had. Are they the echo and did the orginal respond to it
lethal moat
Was it Gen 1, was it Echidna, or was it ERRANT-291. Why were they detained, why ...
Or potentially another Neuro
echo gazelle
whyy
acoustic osprey
I will make sure to report any
https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-captain-rex-well-done-soldier-soldier-good-job-soldier-gif-25293915
snow jasper
methinks it was just a guy
acoustic osprey
John Cakes friend!!
lethal moat
methinks it was just a guy
Same
acoustic osprey
methinks it is also a guy
and also an idea to a larger plot/theme
snow jasper
invasive homo sapiens
lethal moat
fast forge
methinks it is also a guy
and also an idea to a larger plot/theme
I think it was just a particularly silly dilo
acoustic osprey
I think it was just a particularly silly dilo
(Errant-291)
fast forge
yes him
acoustic osprey
i do not believe the echo = errant-291
though
i would say they are not related
just a dot point on the ('torn stationary') paper errant-291 had
fast forge
either way, silly dilo explains everything 
acoustic osprey
either way, silly dilo explains everything <a:leyNoddersU:1128776070200574062>
dilo speaking english!!!
we're all hallucinating on dilo venom 😔
lethal moat
i do not believe the echo = errant-291
though
i would say they are not related
The only thing relevant to 291 specifically on that paper is the notes on the schematic
fast forge
if it's silly
acoustic osprey
The only thing relevant to 291 specifically on that paper is the notes on the sc...
ye
the directions, we presume
but i don't see any other meaning, at the moment
lethal moat
The rest of the paper is very cool though
fast forge
So where did Errant 291 get this document? Printed google directions from an AE terminal?
acoustic osprey
So where did Errant 291 get this document? Printed google directions from an AE ...
potentially
lethal moat
So where did Errant 291 get this document? Printed google directions from an AE ...
They also had an employee badge, maybe they got it the same place they got that
acoustic osprey
likely a paper used a lot by employees in that 'area'
whether it is a facility, a whole island or other
seeing as it is a glance sheet document
like the Cerato or Galli one
echo gazelle
They took it and the badge and claim to be who they are but are not, a breach in the central control 
fast forge
likely a paper used a lot by employees in that 'area'
whether it is a facility, ...
yeah, or perhaps the bullet points at bottom are just general rules for travel around the island
acoustic osprey
yeah, or perhaps the bullet points at bottom are just general rules for travel a...
i believe that to be the case
just
we don't know if it an island/facility/etc
it could be The Atrium?
i don't think it is a small site, if anything
but seeing as it has "Site"
it is a bit tricky
acoustic osprey
lol
fast forge
I intended to point out that the first word is smaller than the second
And since it's an entry
acoustic osprey
I intended to point out that the first word is smaller than the second
yeah!
fast forge
Zeus Entry
acoustic osprey
mayhaps
but it is a bit weird
why would they have an Entry Origin within an entry origin?
fast forge
Poseidon is a longer word than entry
Hades is the same length as entry
Zeus is shorter than entry
acoustic osprey
although, for me, it feels like having the same word in the definition of the word
fast forge
eh not a big deal
acoustic osprey
because it feels like it is talking about the entry point for the whole "general site"
seeing as the art has this 'umbrella'-ish curve on it
fast forge
although, for me, it feels like having the same word in the definition of the wo...
"Which airline did you take to get here?"
"I took United Airlines"
Once the repeated word becomes the name of a thing, it somewhat loses that effect
acoustic osprey
"Which airline did you take to get here?"
"I took United Airlines"
Once the rep...
but 'here' in this situation is important
fast forge
because it feels like it is talking about the entry point *for* the whole "gener...
but then it lists a specific route
acoustic osprey
Zeus Entry (like the other 2) seems to be point at it being for Olympus CC
not the general site
fast forge
It's just information, the concepts don't have to be nested
It's like heading a page with
Name:
Date:
Subject:
acoustic osprey
how so? it seems to be taking the style of a network graph
acoustic osprey
seeing as the art has this 'umbrella'-ish curve on it
alongside this point^
it feels like it is more so a 'heading' of the site / area
acoustic osprey
but then it lists a specific route
that GUTS access route could be how to get to "X" site
which, for me, always fits the theory of it being The Atrium
pseudo lantern
hi
acoustic osprey
hi
pseudo lantern
wrong chat sorery..
acoustic osprey
oh
fast forge
So I see this as like a google maps directions result
They queried the AE network, asking how to get to X location through GUTS
The network said
External status: (because it could be dangerous before entering GUTS)
Entry origin: (the closest GUTS entry to errant's starting position)
Exterior Signal: (whether Olympus transmitter is active?)
Site designation: (the overall location for which it needs to retrieve map data)
GUTS access route: (the path through GUTS)
And then everything that follows is a general map of the site that is always included in any query of this type
So my guesses for decoding would be
Exterior State: Danger
Entry Origin: Zeus Entry
Exterior Signal: Active
SITE DESIGNATION: GATEWAY
GUTS ACCESS ROUTE: L > K > H > F > D > C
Or something along those lines, not those specifics
The exterior state could be designated as peaceful, or in control, or chaos, or have a coded designation
"Exterior Status: Lavender"
I do think the entry origin is one of the named entries
The exterior signal could tie into Olympus or it might just be connections to the mainland
I think site designation is just a specific island facility, similar to JP's "Site B"