isle-lore-theories

[hallow ruin]

hacker got a new challenger 🙏

its like when an animal pack/herd has a female leader, like hyenas
"the matriarch"

[fierce cradle]

So all other strains are derived from M strain they are the alpha

[hallow ruin]

no no no, read what i wrote here #isle-lore-theories message

its the total opposite

[nimble fractal]

The strain can easily be the counterparts of eachother

N strain lacks the strength, it is pure brains and mental abilities

H strain is driven by it's primordal instincts - eat to survive. If it doesn't, it dies

T strain... this is the least we have an info of, and it is being reworked, but for now we can think it's the... stability of the body functionality?
T strain could help to regenerate the missing parts the N-body has, and H-strain is there to gain the muscle mass

So:
T-strain: to regenerate the missing organs and tissues
N-strain: normal brain and neurosystem function
H-strain: muscle mass and strength, along with normal metabolism regulation

[hallow ruin]

but, althought she's the last, and for that.. shes the best

[hallow ruin]

this is really what i meant
sorry if i worded it so badly it wasnt any obvious

[fierce cradle]

So matriarch will be invulnerable

[nimble fractal]

Didnt see it in your text anywhere sorry 😔

[hallow ruin]

what i was saying
N strain had physical flaws
H strain had mental/survival flaws

T seems like a sweet spot

[fierce cradle]

Like doomsday from Superman

[nimble fractal]

T isnt a sweet spot because it needs 2 more to regulate it, and something to STOP the process of regeneration and chaotic growth of new limbs and tissues

[hallow ruin]

isnt it matriarch that had the chaotic infinite growth?

[nimble fractal]

AE seems to had failed an attempt to find that STOP-reagent

Or did, and simply wanted to see what will happen

[nimble fractal]

Yes, but

Matriarch isnt canon

[hallow ruin]

what

not tapwing's matriarch
but, "matriarch" isnt canon?

[nimble fractal]

OLD matriarch isn't canon

Everything what we know of it

[hallow ruin]

this single word
matriarch
canon or not

[fierce cradle]

Will we ever see this in game

[hallow ruin]

yes, hypos an neuros at least

i hope..?

tho i wish more for tissos

[acoustic osprey]

Supposed to be a temp name and was removed
But now it is back

So...

[hallow ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-grant-lego-jurassic-park-dream-gif-19951608

[nimble fractal]

Hi USER!!!!!!!

[acoustic osprey]

Hi

[hallow ruin]

uhm its an USER

[nimble fractal]

Sorry....my bad....

[acoustic osprey]

It was
Just taps stuff wasn't

[nimble fractal]

That's what I meaaaaaaan

[acoustic osprey]

Which her stuff brings a lot of confusion

[hallow ruin]

u said its not at all

[nimble fractal]

Alright, tell me what info we know of Evrima matriarch

[hallow ruin]

me when fanart is so good it looks so not so fan

official fan art no fan

[acoustic osprey]

Because there was legacy lore on Matriarch
Not much but some

[acoustic osprey]

She can eat things and take attributes of it

[hallow ruin]

fan. art. 🥀 😔

[acoustic osprey]

And doesn't help Tap turned into a dev

[hallow ruin]

lol fr

[nimble fractal]

And the legacy lore is no longer canon
So while she is being reworked
The INFO!!! about it is not canon

[acoustic osprey]

The old stuff
Not the new stuff, that is

[hallow ruin]

but.. i want to speculate and build tons of stuff on pure speculations to be turned to dust by a single dondi qoute 😔

[acoustic osprey]

Cause there is 'one thing' on Matriarch for Evrima

But it would be good when we get hard lore for it

[nimble fractal]

What do we know about Matriarch in Evrima 🙏

[acoustic osprey]

This...

[nimble fractal]

That's the only thing?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[nimble fractal]

Uh......
The "available info about T strain" situation is even worse than I thought...

[fierce cradle]

@hallow ruin please create a fanart of matriarch .... It will be awesome

[hallow ruin]

appreciate that you want to see me make one 😄 ❤️
i have had them in mind, and i'm really not sure whether to do N-type or Matriarch..

what would you decide for 😅

N spino tongue/EMP attack is so interesting
a matriarch model is ALSO very interesting

[fierce cradle]

Matriarch

We know how a H variant will look ... N variant should have a bigger skull .... But the M variant will be a mix of all

[fierce cradle]

Who writes the lore for the game ?

[acoustic osprey]

dondi

[fierce cradle]

Then why the game doesn't follow the lore

[muted hill]

I think the time we play is set later than stuff we have

[fierce cradle]

Aftermath is it ?

[muted hill]

unsure where in the timeline it sits as we dont have very much to go on as far as im aware

[fierce cradle]

We can see empty places all over the place

[muted hill]

yeah so I would imagine that we the players are somewhere further in the AE/isle story and as gen 2 we will get to uncover the story of how we got to where we are lore wise

like the game itself could take place 15 years after the major events we know of for example

[fierce cradle]

But all the dangerous boyz are held in TARTARUS

[echo gazelle]

there’s been mention yeah about the islands and/or facilities being abandoned ina way

[fast forge]

It's seemingly likely that tartarus got cracked open

We think it was either a rival company or dissidents within Apollo itself

[muted hill]

A lore question I wonder is to do with Rugops, from its art it seems to be a hunter of humans, I was wondering if this is something the species adapted to after being brought back, if it was a trait from an abberrant individual similar to augustus or if it was a malicious and intentional choice by scientists for whatever reason

if it even has a lore reason for eating people out side of that being its game niche so to speak

[acoustic osprey]

what does this mean?

i presume you mean

why don't all gameplay elements correlate exactly with isle lore

which, in legacy, it actually did

but, for the most part, it is very very hard to do and basically never truly done in video games

because games are a medium different from other means and mediums of storytelling
so limitations exist when transferring word and video into video/'other medium'

[acoustic osprey]

i believe so
We have quite a few, now, concept arts showing 'weathered down isle facilities'
and we know Don wants more weathering at Docks plus 'overgrowth' vines on buildings (said on the recent devblog iirc)

so definitely an indication that some time has past

how much time though?

yeah...

2172?

'minimalism' logo?

quite a few overgrowth artworks

(i wish for the 3rd facility in-game! Having floor-to-ceiling glass is pretty sick)

but!

definitely a few things that MAY lead to a possible 'we're' playing some time in the future
for sure

[muted hill]

I understand those are likely just generic vines/plants but if they do bare resemblance to a specific species perhaps we could use the time it take that species to grow to that size as a rough indication of time, though thats likely reading into it to much

assuming no but do any of our trail cam/lore videos use these codes

[acoustic osprey]

most likely not in my opinion..

[acoustic osprey]

these codes are just things referred to in the document
291-C is the 'abstract map' that is torn in two

but we have none of the rest

[muted hill]

ah right

[acoustic osprey]

and likely wont get any more of either
because Don said we'll be getting and have gotten 'one time characters' (paraphrasing)

but basically
minute characters like ERRANT-291 that have only a short story
but their themes and ideas brought around it lead to bigger pictures

likely allowing us to better understand what happened with them

[muted hill]

im just trying anything to make out more text in that file im assuming its not possible

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jaja-gif-5735507904982827459

pretty much nothing

[muted hill]

sigh

always been a big wow lore fan I want to do the same here but I cant crack it so far just need to wait for more I guess

read through the document n such

[acoustic osprey]

you have visited here in a bit of a long long drought currently...

[muted hill]

true

[acoustic osprey]

it is a shame
i do wish to see some things

[echo gazelle]

still lost in the sauce

[acoustic osprey]

tar tar sauce 😔

[acoustic osprey]

looks like boxes imo

unless you're just talking about the vines in general

which if you read the my splerg ... 😔
i already make reference to (normal vines though) from the dblog

The leaves were to be reminiscent of our ivy that’s going to be used on buildings and such in the future

although
ivies, not explicitly 'vines'

[fast forge]

I just thought the outlines were similar

[fierce cradle]

If tartarus is broken where is the gate ?

[fair agate]

I really think the game is going for something like jurassic park 2 as a hole, especially with the scene of the hunt

[fast forge]

whole vs hole

[fair agate]

guh you get what I mean🙏

[echo gazelle]

according to the old console interaction, gateway (which i assume is what you’re referring to) was the rear connection facility between I-01 and I -02, but that’s old sauce nowadays i believe

@fierce cradle

[fierce cradle]

Can we mention dondi ? And ask him if we will ever see his creations in the game?

🌝

[echo gazelle]

no

[fierce cradle]

Too bad 😕

Right now the game doesn't have that much element to keep people interested I guess ... This things will surely amp up the game

Can we give some suggestions too ?

[hallow ruin]

hell let loose 🔥

[hallow ruin]

okey dokey ill work my way into it 😄 !

[fierce cradle]

Yes please I saw ur bio .... Those are great

[hallow ruin]

tysm 🥹

[mighty wigeon]

Bonjour

[snow jasper]

salut

[fast forge]

Hallo

[hexed forge]

Hola

[lethal moat]

Sup

[fast forge]

Konnichiwa

[patent ginkgo]

Hallo

[snow jasper]

привет

[hexed forge]

This is what I wanted to do but I thought the automod would snipe a different language...

привіт

[snow jasper]

automod wouldn't for that, since it would be unfair for those who genuinely don't know

[hallow ruin]

only english in chat!!!

[fast forge]

Naniiii?!?!!

[lethal moat]

¿Que?

[hallow ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[opal remnant]

come on Dondi PLEASE 😭

also are the magna's a part of evrima or are they left behind in legacy?

[lethal moat]

Left behind

[opal remnant]

nooo :[

what about the matriarch?

[lethal moat]

Matriarch is still planned

Well, still a thing, dunno if it’ll ever be in game, I hope so

[acoustic osprey]

herbi strains do have a chance of existing though, said by Don himself. Which is good.

but will they explicitly come? who knows

[opal remnant]

nice, very nice

[acoustic osprey]

will it be unique strains as well? like strain plants do
that would be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/carthus-sandworm-dark-souls-solaire-worm-gif-1433137170884699942

[opal remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1342793629852237824/the_days_of_laughter_and_love_are_back.gif

anyway i got a class to attend, cya

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[acoustic osprey]

ciao! Good luck

[opal remnant]

thanks

[opal remnant]

is there an evrima hypo rex redesign?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[opal remnant]

is it that one with the tusks?

[acoustic osprey]

ye

let me see if i have the photo

[opal remnant]

ngl

that design is chopped

its cool

but chopped

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[echo gazelle]

Yeah not many were a fan of the tusk like teeth, Okxul made a pretty cool edit one time and Chip

[acoustic osprey]

Chip!!

i find it really funny
the cat ears

[opal remnant]

will the other hypos be getting a redesign?

[acoustic osprey]

likely all, honestly

[iron anchor]

i think it will look badass with a skin

it does look a little strange how armored the face is compared to the neck, neck looks like a low taper fade

[lethal moat]

I like hyper carno’s ram horns, I hope they keep that or something similar

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-really-eric-foreman-foreman-gif-15798566522776115933

[iron anchor]

hyper carno to me looks the most perfect out of all 3 hyper models

[acoustic osprey]

HADES

[hexed forge]

I liked Hyper Giga the most tbh

[iron anchor]

has the unique trait of those horns which fits in with what’s going on with hyper rex now

[iron anchor]

i mean on coolness factor i agree

feels a little out of place imo but that’s just subjective, hypers can have whatever traits dondi decide

i don’t know what determines the unique traits in them

giga and spino both having the split jaw

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-supernatural-relatable-relatablemoods-gif-7719768255809338997

[iron anchor]

maybe it’s a dramatized version of their specializations? giga and spino both have split jaw but different versions of it

unfortunately legacy models 😢

rex kinda has a 1v1 reputation so it has the huge tusks for big damage

[lethal moat]

Rex got de chompers

[iron anchor]

giga has pack mentality with bleed, split jaw has teeth inside which i guess equals better tearing

spino is a pescivore or whatever the name is, it splits its jaw to eat bigger easy prey

i don’t know i’m guessing here

[iron anchor]

yeah that’s the problem legacy hyper rex no speciality, but it was the first hyper model right?

not to mention colossus looks like a lizard gorilla, truly the human specialty is return to monkey

i wish we had more information on strains

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[echo gazelle]

will always be a fan of this boy

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=6562fdb7&is=655088b7&hm=80fb679a714555687d61311e125ea77476090c97560ee811c0512c880383e75d&

[fast forge]

I'm curious what the strain transformations will look like
That should be interesting

[hexed forge]

We need to see the rest of the Trinity Evrima Concepts... please.. 🙏

[lethal moat]

Before and after screenshots could be neat

[fast forge]

I mean the midway point

because a big feature of this game is growth and the ways that the models change over time

I feel assured that they'll use this feature for strains

[lethal moat]

Oh, like the development of the creature getting strains before it’s fully fledged, yeah, that’ll be cool

[fast forge]

Half-neuro should be revolting

[hexed forge]

Unless you spawn in as them.. aka grow as a strain lol

Juvenile Hyper

[lethal moat]

There’s also the “click e to break glass” idea

[fast forge]

I feel like it will be an adult-only thing, probably tied into elders somehow

And connecting it to mutations seems fun and logical

[hexed forge]

Yeah I agree, probably

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/411174045573447680/unknown.png?ex=6824afab&is=68235e2b&hm=594ee0b15c38da924a7e393c66c66f25c58a215522f98fb77cf5091af0b4c976&

[fast forge]

Looking at the list, a lot of the mutations could have connections to strains

[acoustic osprey]

paging dr whyse...

did we ever, in game, get the reading lore mutation?
I cannot remember now

not just in ST or anything

[hexed forge]

I just wish mutations had more involvement with the gameplay.. but that's not a lore topic so ayee

[acoustic osprey]

because i remember us trying to find it during the lore hunt

[fast forge]

I don't think it's come up at all

[hexed forge]

Nope

[acoustic osprey]

then why did kouga say they had tried it

[lethal moat]

If it is in, it needs to be unlocked and we haven’t figured out how

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/xx-gif-15660269

[fast forge]

I saw some other folks talking about how they tried to unlock it as well

[acoustic osprey]

i presume maybe misremembering ST then

what was the mutation called again?

[fast forge]

I phrased this oddly
I meant that no one has found it, even from varied sources

[sonic rampart]

pattern recognition iirc

[acoustic osprey]

thanks lunaryryry

[hexed forge]

It's most likely in the gamefiles just not possible to unlock

I am NOT going to find the mutation list in the files... 🥀
I dont know how others did it

[fast forge]

There are others too
Pit Organ
Cochlear Sensitivity
and did anyone get Paratrepsis?

[hexed forge]

Paratrepsis was in yes

[fast forge]

but it just doesn't have a hotkey, yes?

[acoustic osprey]

ah, so it was usable
although, i want to see if anyone mentioned how they got it

[hexed forge]

Was in, yup
I don't even think it's something you unlock. You just got it for free with growth, which I hate with most mutations

[fast forge]

oh wow

[acoustic osprey]

ah, so Henry didn't know how they had got it

[fast forge]

yeah I read through that conversation

Said they were playing herrera, hung out at water access

Also Stereopsis? Kouga mentioned recently being unable to get that one

[echo gazelle]

idek what there is in-game you can...yeah

[acoustic osprey]

hmmm
I have hung there a lot 'recently'
nothing has came up

so likely was 'in-game'
but potentially removed because useless atm?

interesting to see them hang out near there and potentially getting
especially since that was pre-update (there)

[fast forge]

Well, they were two players playing together
Maybe it ties into communication? I never tried that

[hexed forge]

Found this in the files?

[fast forge]

Maybe you need to say a lot of stuff in game chat

[hexed forge]

That's weird

[fast forge]

but if it were this simple, someone would have seen it by now

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
been there for a while

[hexed forge]

Why would they name the file that

[hexed forge]

For Pattern Recognition?
I doubt it

[fast forge]

It's the map from the dibble TCAM video

[acoustic osprey]

erm

[iron anchor]

yes please

[acoustic osprey]

hmmm

[iron anchor]

you need the entire server count being injected into your stomach to survive that growth cycle

[acoustic osprey]

@tiny cypress
do you remember, at all, how you and your buddy got pattern recognition ?

if not, no worry

[fast forge]

talk alot near human structures? maybe they were near the dam

[hexed forge]

That was during the very start of the Hordetest for mutations.
It might've been just there as a free mutation that did nothing lol, as some were.

[tiny cypress]

that was so long ago im not even sure i remember what dino i was playing at the time

[hexed forge]

For example the.. I forgot what it was.. Pit Organ?

[acoustic osprey]

herrera

[snow jasper]

stop file digging you mole

(teach me)

[tiny cypress]

still no idea

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-disney-the-good-dinosaur-fangs-viper-gif-4860415

[hexed forge]

Too late I already found some stuff and posted it in several servers

[hexed forge]

DM me

[snow jasper]

dm me tomorrow

[hexed forge]

Sure

[snow jasper]

im sleeping

[acoustic osprey]

hmm, ok
no worries

[valid geyser]

i dont remember, were humans briefly enabled then?

[tiny cypress]

ill ask my friend

[hexed forge]

On a singular server yes

[valid geyser]

could there have been any chance its something like hang around humans?

[hexed forge]

I played on that server for a bit with a friend, until it eventually got wiped

[valid geyser]

they do spawn server wide

[fast forge]

as far as we can tell y'all might be the only instance of someone finding this mutation

[hexed forge]

POTENTIALLY

[valid geyser]

map wide i mean*

[hexed forge]

But at that time I think it was just another free mutation

[valid geyser]

mayhaps

[hexed forge]

But in the future once properly implemented, possibly

[tiny cypress]

i think we also had access to herbivore-exclusive mutations, so im pretty sure it was just a massive bug. iirc this happened right around the time mutations first came out

[acoustic osprey]

and maybe kouga
depending on what kouga meant

[fast forge]

I was reading the old conversation, it sounded like it was the period after mutation HT, as Henry said they couldn't play in the (at the time) current HT

But still seemed to have access to mutations

[fast forge]

?

[hexed forge]

It was.. June 6th 2024.. during its HT

That HT Spanned from late May to Early August

[fast forge]

nvm I'm wrong

it was in HT

[tiny cypress]

ngl, the only intact memory i have of that ht was when i first downloaded it and played beipi

[fast forge]

oh I took that at the time as "I tested it but was not successful in acquiring these mutations"

[acoustic osprey]

@hot bane sorry to bother, probably the only time you'll need to say something in this channel unless you make lore tutorials lol

can you elaborate on this please?

[hexed forge]

I don't know if you found this already or not, my memory is very poor right now

[acoustic osprey]

yeah i know
i am trying not to datamine for things and openly sharing them...

[hexed forge]

But it exists in-game!!

[fast forge]

this was in the replay mode I think

[acoustic osprey]

of course it does

[acoustic osprey]

this was how we found out about it, yeah

[fast forge]

I remember yeah

[acoustic osprey]

although
the design was first seen in the water tank

[hexed forge]

We found it in-game, and then extracted the clearer version.. it's fair game

[acoustic osprey]

(i will be making a video on it. It is my next one)

[fast forge]

the funky logo?

[acoustic osprey]

i don't really find data-mining images like that as fair game, in my opinion

[hexed forge]

Fair enough

[acoustic osprey]

especially in islecord

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-snap-finger-snap-gif-12502580

[acoustic osprey]

goddamn
my discord is effing up

[acoustic osprey]

i am trying to find the image

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1366212250171609108/image.png?ex=68248f0f&is=68233d8f&hm=a2088e0d15ab41533481ab2c7bd9780281b1d72e6d7a2f106f834db3fbfe9cbe&

[fast forge]

ohhh

[acoustic osprey]

and that image is old as well

[fast forge]

I saw some of those crates today on my way to work

[acoustic osprey]

can't believe it

[acoustic osprey]

lol

there is one exactly like it near my train station

i am going to take a picture the next time i ride

[fast forge]

I almost did

and then I was like

it's just a crate

[hexed forge]

"The Isle In real life!1/111!1!111!"

[echo gazelle]

The IBC Tank

[hot bane]

it was in the period where the Hordetest was closed

so we got to test some stuff before everyone else

but we were always able to read human things.

[acoustic osprey]

i see i see
were you exactly able to get the mutation?

[acoustic osprey]

i see, i see

[hot bane]

was free to get

[acoustic osprey]

Immediately unlocked with no 'prerequisite'?

[hot bane]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

i see

thank you

[hot bane]

a lot of other mutation were available too

like one with infrared light

[hexed forge]

Thought so

[fast forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[acoustic osprey]

zamn!!

so
we have a 'closed HT' scenario
and randomly a year ago by Henry

the things Kouga could read were likely stuff we can still read as well

although, yeah, not surprised it has no working system

seeing as we have no proper lore papers in-game yet

I WONDER if glance sheets will be jumbled? Probably not

but who knows
they are the 'last thing' to be done - which i do find interesting

albeit

that might be because they want GUTS to be walkable before adding stuff like that

I HOPE, though, they close replay when they add it though

[hexed forge]

Hopefully

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/just-a-theory-matpat-fnaf-movie-matthew-robert-patrick-gif-8650789653163891524

[lethal moat]

Barometric sensitivity still does nothing

[hexed forge]

Who could've guessed!! yay!!

[fierce cradle]

What is All-Father ?

[acoustic osprey]

PC (Primarl Carnage) Rex

i.e. Magnatyrannus

[fierce cradle]

Phoenix Corporation

Assets

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[fierce cradle]

It is assumed that either the release of The Matriarch, the Magnatyrannus, or some other unidentified asset resulted in the islands being abandoned by AE.

According to isle fandom

[acoustic osprey]

Magnatyrannus (Magna Rex) is no longer canon for Evrima, to note

[acoustic osprey]

we weren't really that sure, for legacy

[fast forge]

We really don't know, but don has stressed that it wasn't a single event that led to the current state

[lethal moat]

Do not trust the fandom

[fast forge]

outdated

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

a lot of the basic no1 isle fandom assumes a lot
I tried editing some bits but it just kills yah

so much to write and change

[fast forge]

wish we had a good wiki

[acoustic osprey]

and most of that stuff is outdated due to legacy lore going

[acoustic osprey]

if only....

[fierce cradle]

Wait evrimas kore is different from legacy ?

[fast forge]

oh yeah

A lot of stuff is similar, some is the same
We don't know just what carries over in some cases

[fierce cradle]

Do u have any link so that I can read it ?

[fast forge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[acoustic osprey]

Rumples document in the pinned message is the best for 'up to date stuff'

[acoustic osprey]

^anything directly from legacy is marked with 'legacy' as well
for ease

like

we know Neuros exist
but to what degree or capacity? Who knows

so there was (not sure if there is) a small blurb on their description from legacy (with the legacy warning on it)

some still exists like that on the doc
which will slowly be 'fixed' once we get more info on them for evrima

... meanwhile ...

[lethal moat]

🙏

[fast forge]

I think we'll see other strain's equivalents of the reaper in some form

[lethal moat]

We haven’t seen any neuro stuff yet for Evrima

[acoustic osprey]

NHJ...

what if NHJs ARE proper Neuros
and that was the first time we properly played Neuros

lol

[iron anchor]

what's nhj

[acoustic osprey]

the zombie stuff

[lethal moat]

Zombies

I don’t count that, I consider it neuro adjacent, as we don’t even know how it ties in to neuros

[acoustic osprey]

*but it could be *

as much as an ant drone is still an ant... potentially...

[lethal moat]

I am craving giant crabs

[iron anchor]

oh ok

why would those be tied into neuro?

[acoustic osprey]

dondi said so

[iron anchor]

what was it he said

[acoustic osprey]

how? We got no clue

just that i predicted it was Tissos
but then Don came in and said Neuros

[iron anchor]

i woulda thought tissos too

[iron anchor]

well the neuro we knew in legacy isnt the same in evrima right?

[acoustic osprey]

we have no clue

[iron anchor]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

if anything
it is related to the "Neuro Goo" term in Legacy

[iron anchor]

what are your thoughts on neuro goo, hearing zombies and neuro goo together makes me think evil brain control secretion

[acoustic osprey]

ALL TYPE-N BIO-ASSETS STUDIES ARE HALTED AS OF (4 LETTERS). FINAL STUDIES ARE TO BE CONCLUDED BENEATH ATRIUM B WITHIN (8 LETTERS). ANY PERSONNEL EXPOSED TO DIRECT CONTACT WITH ANY TYPE-N BIO-MATERIALS ARE TO BE CONSIDERED EXPENDABLE AND EXPUNGED ALONG WITH ANY BIOLOGICAL CONTAMINANTS FROM CODE ECHIDNA-(3 LETTERS) DO NOT REPLICATE.

[iron anchor]

i mean rabies makes mammals ignore their well being for the sake of being aggressive right

or something like that idk

[acoustic osprey]

hmmm

[lethal moat]

I hope echidna has spores or something similar

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tlou2-the-last-of-us2-cheers-fireworks-joel-gif-17680857

[iron anchor]

@hexed forge he said your catchphrase

[lethal moat]

Give neuros thralls 🙏

[iron anchor]

echidna was the mother of all gen 1's? what was it

[hexed forge]

Jokes on you, a lot of my phrases and gifs are actually stolen from Isaac..

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-really-eric-foreman-foreman-gif-15798566522776115933

[iron anchor]

Lol

yay

[acoustic osprey]

#1190479571762548807 message

[hexed forge]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-oh-boring-leprechaun-wah-oh-wah-oh-boring-wah-oh-dead-gif-27189059

[hexed forge]

It’s the lightclaw virus

[acoustic osprey]

LHJ?

[hexed forge]

WOAH

[lethal moat]

Mother of cannibals

[acoustic osprey]

i am presuming though
that NHJ is "N" for Neuro
seeing as there is a relation to them

[lethal moat]

Mind control through spores or something, pheromones

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[hexed forge]

4531 woke me up sorry

[acoustic osprey]

it is ok

[iron anchor]

if there are 2 echidna's the cannibal brain collapses into a singularity

oh yeah its 10pm on a school night

[lethal moat]

I like to think it’s interaction based, you got too close and now you’re stuck

[iron anchor]

i wonder if they would have reason to fight each other

[fast forge]

8 letters: Tartarus
3 letters: NHJ

[acoustic osprey]

mayhaps...

[fast forge]

Did we ever get any idea of how big the giant crabs will be?

Because this is an interesting location

[pseudo lantern]

BIG

[acoustic osprey]

how so

[serene spear]

water is cool

[fierce cradle]

Will there be giant crabs ?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

which we had a clip though...

but WOW that was at the end of 2023
time has flown

[fierce cradle]

😕😕

Any news when the aquatic life will be worked on ?

[acoustic osprey]

ha...

[fierce cradle]

I mean mosa , pleaseosaur those

[acoustic osprey]

no

nothing nothing...

[hallow ruin]

what do you guys think would be the iconic T strain dinosaur

like, how rex is H strain
spino is the first N strain
what do you think about Tisspolastic, what dinosaur seems to fit/look cool as it

||id be guessing giga since well common sense, its the 3rd apex of the trio||

[fierce cradle]

What's T strain ?

[hallow ruin]

Tissoplastic

Type-H doesnt have super regenration... thats Type-T

wait this is SO full of misinformation

nevermind.

[wispy sundial]

Tissoplastic spino or the mother of cannibals

If it had to be a creature without strains... a herbivore strain would be cool

Whoops meant to say tissoplastic reaper 💔

[hallow ruin]

Type-H Hyperendocrin
basically a crazy strong unbeatable version of the dino
increased size and strength, unstoppable killing machine, downside is constant need of food, always starving (and there's theories of them having constant intense pain cuz of the abnormal growth)

Type-N Neurotenic
simply, its a mix of a zombie+alien dino
looks like a walking dead body with wierd alien-like stuff and insanely intelligente compared to the normal counterpart
while Type-H is a bit stright forward, this one is cooler, can do EMP attack and shut down electricity, control weather (not sure if its a fact, hint or highly possible theory), can blur other dinosaurs vision if in range, somewhat get in their brains, even communicate with and understand them

Type-T Tissoplastic
its the literal ninja+ acidic monster type thing (personally reminds me of PREDATOR)

very stealthy and sneaky, more agile and presumably slimmer, has an actual camouflage ability, id assume most of this strain can climb, has acidic saliva, can regenerate lost limbs and body parts

@fierce cradle not to mention anything is subject to change, some are old some are theories but you can get the general image of the strains out of this (the image is old and outdated, but shows some of the triats im saying)

@lethal moat @acoustic osprey can you guys pls confirm i didnt mess up something?

[fierce cradle]

R these bad boyz coming to the game ?

[hallow ruin]

@low scarab i really love to think about Neuro goo and the fact that its an alive decaying body and the wierd big vein in it
i imagine it like the SOMA black goo, and its in that specific vein of the animal and IT is what keeps it alive/probably is the zombie infection lore related

[hallow ruin]

ofcourse... ofcourse? i hope.

[hexed forge]

Hopefully

[fierce cradle]

ETA 2077 ?

[hallow ruin]

ETA: before u die of old age (possibly)

[fierce cradle]

Who is Rodrigo Vega ?

[hallow ruin]

an old concept artist, before TapWing got in the team

i love both of their work, but i see Vega's artstyle very superior and very niche

maybe cuz it was stuck in my brain to that era of the isle, it felt very familiar to the game

[wind shadow]

I am the thousand life contract

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

also me when the isle lore is 'finish'

[acoustic osprey]

if you refer to just Legacy
pretty much spot on in terms of doing off what we knew and speculated

in terms of Evrima lore? yeah um....

[hallow ruin]

oh yeah as i mentioned, this might be all to the smallest of its details proven wrong in evrima, but even tho, im telling what was in legacy > so its most likely to be very close in evrima

[acoustic osprey]

ye

[torpid roost]

talking about that, the whole point of AE is to fight climate change? or its just the cover of the book, because otherwise they wouldnt be experimenting with humans, and creating monsters

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/money-joker-batman-the-animated-series-dc-animated-universe-all-mine-gif-17800586

[acoustic osprey]

i love the good old

"i'm doing this for the environment, honey!"
Proceeds to make creatures that would be classified as lethal weapons to protect themselves (AE), a way to contain and inject HUMAN MINDS into foreign bodies alongside also create their own 'new' animals that have never seen the light of existence till AE

[pseudo lantern]

we do not know their purpose.
climate change has been theorised though.

[acoustic osprey]

although
our closest/nearest theory hinted by Don hinting

[pseudo lantern]

yay

[torpid roost]

fr, "proceeds to sent humanoid monsters to do a carnage in rival companies"

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-puppy-cute-pet-gif-16224465

i'm doing this for the safety of us.

for the betterment of our goal

[lethal moat]

Hey America, why do you need project sundial?
Environmental protections

[acoustic osprey]

for humanities** glorious purpose**, there will be sacrifices made to protect this project

[acoustic osprey]

😊

[torpid roost]

https://tenor.com/view/the-forest-armsy-attacking-gif-25535042

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rogue-one-krennic-this-c-lose-gif-10935154

Too bad we never got there and all those atrocities just look bad now :/

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as seen of Krennics death in Rogue One made me sad
As bad as the Empire was, including Krennic
Krennic was so oblivious and yet truly dedicated and passionate about the projects he was given — how rare that is in society
and the realisation that he was just another pawn, another cog in a machine that spat him out like an old wet toy

it made me realise how well written Rogue One was truly

[lethal moat]

Andor spoilers ||The exact same thing he did to others in Andor as well||

[acoustic osprey]

i love how the USSR used nuclear bombs to try and build a river

hire people to dig it for you or use literally anything else that wouldn't call any sort of dangerous radiation that could devestate north-west asia and east europe?
pft!

[lethal moat]

Need to show off

Bravado is important on the world stage

[lethal moat]

Slides hyperendcrine across the table
Very nice

[low scarab]

yea lol ik im so glad you are making the same connection i am now

but honestly it lowkey fits the lore for the isle really well

[hallow ruin]

i really just realized it... the goo....

[lethal moat]

I get it now!
-# I still don’t get it

[hallow ruin]

remember what tiny dinosaur said about neuros being somewhat a decaying body that is somehow alive
and they can partially control/effect alive dinos so theoritically can control other dead bodies

and as tiny said, dead bodies are like "empty vessels"

[lethal moat]

Kinda

[hallow ruin]

so
i thought, what if its somewhat like whats in the game "SOMA"
in that game theres a sci-fi goo named "WAU" this thing literally and basically "makes anything alive for the longest time possible" and notice that, it doesnt keep it healthy, just alive
a spoiler to the game ||theres a character in there that was kept for over 4 years trapped in that goo sitting literally just on life support|| something like 1thousand lives contract making u dead but alive (by that i mean its mentally harmful), in game || the goo is controlled by big AI , andit turns out if the creature isnt really gonna die/is dead and the goo can do MORE than keep it at minimum amount of "alive", it does some ambiguous mysterious stuff, seems evil, like killing people|| and it sounds a lot like what Replicator is doing

i can compare WAU AI and replicator, and the WAU goo to the neuro goo

so what if
Neuro goo if exposed to alive beings, makes them controlled by it individually/a higher being (replicator?) and then it spreads like a disease, and if it hits a dead body it gives it a disgusting state of "alive", revives it somehow or just makes it a ghost
SOMA goo sounds a lot like zombie event+neuro goo to me

[lethal moat]

Eh, not sure about tying the replicator in, but I do like the pathogen idea

[low scarab]

lol

[lethal moat]

Neuro goo is silly

[hallow ruin]

im not trying tie it in im saying it IS for the soma example, and possibly for the isle's

but less likely ofc

what i think is like
its hivemind type thing

[lethal moat]

Yeah, hiveminds are cool

[fast forge]

We don't know that neuro goo is even a canon thing right?
That's just fandom stuff

[lethal moat]

That’s an Isaac question

[echo gazelle]

just learned what this new term is, it’s basically old lore sauce from a loading screen in legacy explaining any direct contact with type-n bio material are to be expendable and expunged along with any other bio containment code echidna, of if i recall the texts correct

[fast forge]

ahh this stuff

ALL TYPE-N BIO-ASSETS STUDIES ARE HALTED AS OF (4 LETTERS). FINAL STUDIES ARE TO BE CONCLUDED BENEATH ATRIUM B WITHIN (8 LETTERS). ANY PERSONNEL EXPOSED TO DIRECT CONTACT WITH ANY TYPE-N BIO-MATERIALS ARE TO BE CONSIDERED EXPENDABLE AND EXPUNGED ALONG WITH ANY BIOLOGICAL CONTAMINANTS FROM CODE ECHIDNA-(3 LETTERS) DO NOT REPLICATE.

It occurs to me that "Mother of Cannibals" could easily refer to the zombie 'plague', as it turned even herbivores into insatiable carnivores

[echo gazelle]

Mother of Cannibals always referred to Echidna themselves as I recall unless that’s changed? Or I’m not understanding what you mean

[lethal moat]

Yep

I haven’t done a legacy deep dive in probably a year now

[fast forge]

I just mean that the cannibals in the context could refer to the zombies

But I suppose at that that time 'cannibals' was a term for the early concept of Gen 1

[cerulean flax]

u should make ur pfp change color it would be better tbh

who has that one lore document

[hexed forge]

It is in pinned messages.

[fast forge]

but I want to be orange

[cerulean flax]

hm if u want to stay 1 color maybe go light green it fits u

[fast forge]

no, I'm orange
that's my logo color

normally it's this, just doing the austro temporarily

[cerulean flax]

can u send me the austro picture

[fast forge]

I only have the version someone modified for me on a whim last night

[cerulean flax]

look at this beautiful ai picture

[fast forge]

cool, feel free to use it
I'm not green

Oh and it's AI

yeah I'm def not touching that

[cerulean flax]

what does the lore say

imma read the document

[acoustic osprey]

Many things...

And yet, at the same time,
So little

[low scarab]

This is cursed I hate it

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hexed forge]

And yet, will we ever get it fully? Or will we have to finish the story ourselves.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-mcu-exhale-thanos-infinity-stone-gif-16660976

it'll definitely 'finish'
but finish to the level of how most stories finish

it finishes
but the world never stops

unless The Isle has a world ending event

where AE fails

insert Don's tweet about the ending of the isle

[hexed forge]

Replicator gets shut down,
Apollo Engineering essentially fails and gets abondoned,
Life goes on and on

But I actually doubt the replicator is THAT important to AEs success lol

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

i feel like it is important
maybe not the life and blood

but still, essential to do most things

[fierce cradle]

I just had a dream yesterday.... Dondi came and told all the creatures are created .... Released in a surprise patch
.
Enjoy

Then I woke up 🥺

[acoustic osprey]

Rip

[granite ore]

If only that were real

[fierce cradle]

Never lose hope

[lethal moat]

Alternatively, AE regains control of the islands and the replicator works as it’s supposed to, if it doesn’t already

[acoustic osprey]

makes me wonder if we ever will get the 'ending'
and how that would ever happen

i do wonder how Don planned for it to happen back when he made that tweet

[fierce cradle]

From the game pov it looks like we are the AE operator and we are following up on the dinosaurs by cams

[lethal moat]

Eips maybe?

[fierce cradle]

EIP ?

[lethal moat]

Embryo intelligence profile, human consciousness inside of dinosaur bodies

[wispy sundial]

1000 life contract 😱

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/real-estate-impatient-gif-20983622

[covert ermine]

Who is the replicator in the isle?

I thought AE created the dinosaurs but on google it also says the replicator did it.

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

Crtl+f

[fierce cradle]

Hey can we write our own fan- story like the SCP universe?

For the isle ... Cz SCP.is also a distopian and isle is also

[lethal moat]

You can, for funzies, short stories are neat

[fierce cradle]

Ok can I share it here after that ... And sorry english is not my native language

So please forgive of there is any grammar error

[lethal moat]

You’re good

[fierce cradle]

Can I introduce some new characters

Like class D test subjects ?

[plush widget]

You can do whatever you want really

[fierce cradle]

Ok

[lethal moat]

You can write what you like, it might not be accurate or canon, but if you enjoy writing it, nobody is going to stop you

[fierce cradle]

Ok .... But why there are 2 display pic for u ?

[lethal moat]

What?

[fierce cradle]

Once ur discord pic is black and once again it is white

[acoustic osprey]

server profile vs main profile

[fierce cradle]

We can do that ... ? I m getting old I guess

[acoustic osprey]

only can do that with nitro

i only have it now because i was given nitro for free
yay

[fierce cradle]

Yay ... Trial version ?

[acoustic osprey]

birthday gift from discord
so technically trial

but no credit card or anything

[fierce cradle]

Lucky guy ....they never gave me

[acoustic osprey]

it'll likely come randomly to you
TheCerato got it yesterday

unless they just give it randomly to whomever, however, whenever

[pseudo lantern]

HAP BIRTH

[acoustic osprey]

not me
Discord

https://imgur.com/a/jM9lh3x

[pseudo lantern]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

thank!!!

[acoustic osprey]

ugh, uni has been mauling at my brain
I really want to think of some bad theories

but, honestly
can't

hurts

[knotty locust]

simple

mendys or metallivore introduction into the human body

[acoustic osprey]

<@&933486433342222376>

[languid crow]

when they where showing rex and trike off i thought they would be released relatively close to each other like a month seperation tops not whatever this is.

[sonic rampart]

This is the lore theories channel and they haven't been released

[limber frigate]

Is that Lunary and xenon and user

[sonic rampart]

woah!

[fierce cradle]

Hi All , is there any security force guarding the isle ?

or any kind of private army ?

[echo gazelle]

If there was they gone now, reduced to diets

[lethal moat]

We know there used to be sweep teams and checkpoint teams at some point

[fierce cradle]

ok ... no names then ?......and in what year does this whole lore is happening?

[lethal moat]

All good questions, we know AE was operational between 1990 and 1999 minimum, but no other info other than that

[fierce cradle]

ok ...cool .....and are the strains still alive?

[lethal moat]

We’ll be able to get them in game, but given how quick Hypers starve, I would assume they’re remade

[hallow ruin]

chat...

what do we think about 50/50 head+body to tail ratio

[lethal moat]

Looks about right

[hallow ruin]

[shut geyser]

no way

[final bramble]

musquito

[lethal moat]

Given the amount of spikes the reaper has, I think it’s safe to assume that tissos are still smaller than their normal counterparts

I don’t think neuros are going to change a ton

[hexed forge]

Probably

[snow jasper]

I dont see how the correlation of spikes to size works, but sure

small tisso is kewl

[lethal moat]

Spikes typically develop as a protection against things that can fit a majority of the animal that has spikes in it’s mouth

[snow jasper]

Tissos aren't a product of evolution where they would have thousands of years to cater their spikes to the right size

[hexed forge]

I still believe that the tips of those spikes contain venom/poison

Either way whether the spikes correlate to it's size or not, in legacy we knew that the reaper was smaller than an average human right?

[snow jasper]

I wouldn't be surprised

That seems to be the trend of all tissos, unofficial and official iirc

[lethal moat]

I still think of the replicator as evolution, just accelerated and artificial

[hexed forge]

yea

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know

[hexed forge]

I wouldn't,
AE is the one controlling what form of a creature will be replicated, unless it goes rogue.. which is a popular theory but I feel like that would be too simple

[lethal moat]

You can change factors to make something evolve the way you want it to

[acoustic osprey]

Looking at the dibble video
It is likely, in my opinion

[hexed forge]

Not natural evolution tho

[acoustic osprey]

Why else would and how could they go through 35 (iirc) generations of dibbles

[snow jasper]

I think herrera is a better example

[lethal moat]

Domestication is artificial evolution, which what we already do in real life

[snow jasper]

no climbing to climbing

[ornate comet]

People would mistake Beipi as a big penguin if it was viewed from behind

[snow jasper]

thats selective breeding

or the same thing

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-tongue-out-stare-gif-2589760412605996407

[lethal moat]

I’d say the replicator is something like that on steroids

[hexed forge]

But would humans altering genes of a species so it can adapt to x condition, in this case Dibbles having trouble eating oranges lol, count as actual evolution?

[snow jasper]

No, I think its more complicated, you would have to do gene editing for you to get from a purely terrestrial creature to something capable of climbing and even being able to survive impossible falls and creating a general hunting behaviour out of it

[lethal moat]

Yes it would

[hexed forge]

• 50 Strength points into Leg day

[lethal moat]

Evolution and natural selection are to separate, but connected concepts

[snow jasper]

Natural Selection forces Evolution to happen

[lethal moat]

Yes, but evolution is not limited to natural selection

[snow jasper]

But it is, becuase if its not, its selective breeding

[lethal moat]

Selective breeding is still a form of evolution

[snow jasper]

I disagree

[hexed forge]

I dont get what you are trying to say with that image lol

Would humans actively altering a creature to perfect it, count as actual evolution? I dont think the definition mentions any of that

[lethal moat]

Yep

[hexed forge]

But why, I dont think it would

[lethal moat]

There is nothing that says evolution has to be natural, just that a species develops or becomes more complex

[snow jasper]

For example, dogs are still all the same species and genus, and are at core, the same animal, they are so inbred, that there is a point where a selectively bred animal is just infertile.

Breeding for characteristics will eventually breed an organism incapable of being bred any further, this does not happen in Evolution.

[hexed forge]

Why are we talking about selective breeding when AE clearly isn't sitting around and waiting for 35 generations to constantly breed

[lethal moat]

Evolution also does not have to be beneficial, that’s a feature of natural selection

[snow jasper]

The gene pool becomes incredibly niche, and genetic breakdown occurs. The only way to prevent it would be gene editing, and by that point... is it even evolution?

[lethal moat]

The gene editing is another form of artificial selection, I’m making a conparison

[lethal moat]

Yes, it’s still evolution

[snow jasper]

I disagree

[hexed forge]

But I dont think it's the same?

Species developing by itself through several generations ≠ Humans forcefully altering its genotype/phenotype in a short timespan (Short when comparing to actual evolution)

[lethal moat]

It’s not natural evolution, but it is still the development of a species

[lethal moat]

Yeah, that’s natural selection vs artificial selection, both of which are forms of evolution

[hexed forge]

But does gene editing count as artificial selection?

[lethal moat]

The replicator evolves species, it’s not natural, it’s probably not ethical, but it is hyperefficient

[lethal moat]

Yes

[snow jasper]

If it is evolution, you would be saying you're capable of producing an entirely new Domain of organism at some point in the future through your artificial selection, which is simply impossible

[ornate comet]

Silence google ai

[hexed forge]

Rumple used it too shhh

[ornate comet]

Oh lol I just opened this and that’s the first thing I saw

[lethal moat]

Alright, it might not qualify as artificial selection, but it does still fit the definition of evolution that I provided

[ornate comet]

Genuinely wonder what would happen if all of AEs dinos were loose and there was no human intervention

[acoustic osprey]

^

X species / creatures are still evolving

[ornate comet]

Like poof no more people, ecosystem good luck

[acoustic osprey]

Just you are playing God
Instead of natural selection

[hexed forge]

But it doesn't

[lethal moat]

The replicator is an evolution machine

[ornate comet]

I play god when I spray the hose on the fire ant nest

[acoustic osprey]

Only the strong survive

[lethal moat]

It fits both

[hexed forge]

"The Gradual Development"

Gradual

Rumple

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-really-eric-foreman-foreman-gif-15798566522776115933

[lethal moat]

Rapid development is still gradual, we know there are at least 36 generations of dibble, it’s much faster iterations, but it is still not a one step process

[hexed forge]

But these are humans themselves altering the genes of each generation.
These aren't 36 generations of constant breeding. They are not connected at all

[lethal moat]

Yeah, it’s not natural selection, but it is still a species being evolved

[hexed forge]

"Rapid Development"
It can't be rapid because the generations do not evolve from eachother in the first place

[hexed forge]

I would say,

Being changed in what the human sees best

[lethal moat]

Do you know this? We know that it’s at least somewhat iterative because they passed on Augustus’s genes to all other herreras

[lethal moat]

Its still evolution, even if it’s not in the best interest of the organism

[hexed forge]

AUGUSTUS had offspring and then they replicated his body/abilities/whatever the heck the replicator replicates

This is not the similar to the dibbles at all, from what we see

[lethal moat]

Replicated to all other member of that species, yeah

[hexed forge]

You mean the old version got killed off and the new version was introduced

[snow jasper]

Selective Breeding leads to Inbreeding, which leads to Reduced Gene Pool, which leads to Inheritance of Genetic Diseases, which leads to Extinction.
You can maybe save it through gene editing, but you can only use compatible genes to the structure of the Genome, and you just end up falling back on yourself because you don't progress from the same species you had, you're just diversifying the same species over and over again, you need to let things like mutations, and adaptations to ecological niches to take place before you can actually get a entirely new species or genus, which would be the part where Evolution takes place, everything else beforehand was Conservation and Diversification.

[hexed forge]

Because I STRONGLY doubt it can replicate something onto an old replicated version of a body

[lethal moat]

Yeah, evolving the next generation

[snow jasper]

You cant evolve a new generation as the previous generation inherits the same genes, nothing changes, you're just mix and matching different puzzle pieces. A mutation would be a change, an evolution, but you cant really force a mutation to occur, only encourage it and chemically creating genes from molecules is something Im pretty sure you can't do.

[hexed forge]

But Rumple,
The old generation and the new generation are not connected at all. So how could they evolve from eachother, there is no evolution between each generation

[lethal moat]

How can you say they aren’t connected when a feature from a past generation is used to improve the future generation

[hexed forge]

What feature is this?

[lethal moat]

Climbing

[hexed forge]

Oh sorry if we are still talking about AUGUSTUS, I should've used version I guess.

But I was moreso referring to Dibbles, but either way its the same thing with AUGUSTUS from the broad view

[lethal moat]

How so?

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/disco-elysium-rave-dancing-kim-kitsuragi-gif-23534101

[acoustic osprey]

But we don't know that

We only know there are two injections

Of what though?

We don't know

[acoustic osprey]

But how do you define connection in this case?

If you mean the most simplistic and natural route

Then yeah, no evolution by that regard

[hexed forge]

AUGUSTUS obviously is a success of it's species, all the generations after from what we know have it's climbing ability. Keep in mind that AUGUSTUS was most likely given this climbing ability through genetic editing whether it is from humans themselves or a Replicator error. AE doesn't do much with its species other than making it so everysingle species has the climbing ability after AUGUSTUS. The old generation/version that didnt have this climbing ability are abandoned.

The Dibbles however have a lot of work going on by AE, probably because they are in the early stages of being worked on by AE. They still trying to find that sweet spot like it did with AUGUSTUS, thus ending up in several generations of changes, most of which aren't actually created through breeding.. So.. I think the correct term at that point would just be version. 35 Versions of Dibbles that are being changed by the humans constantly.

The same thing could be said for the AUGUSTUS situation, we are just seeing AE actually finding that sweet spot lol.

Dibbles = The large picture of AEs perfection process
AUGUSTUS = The smaller picture of where we see a singular version be what AE sees as a success

Anyway.. I honestly don't know what I yapped about above anymore, but to conclude.
"How can you say they aren’t connected when a feature from a past generation is used to improve the future generation"
If we use the term "versions", which is what I meant.

Anything before AUGUSTUS is an old version, AUGUSTUS and everything after is the new version. There was no evolution going on between the versions because the climbing change was clearly not something caused by evolution, but rather a gene edit/replicator error.
And the old version was obviously abandoned.

[hexed forge]

The new version wasn't created by breeding. Therefore, it is not related to the rest of the species prior to it. Thus, no evolution going on between those versions/generations

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/legal-eagle-puts-on-glasses-lets-get-started-gif-25933988

[hexed forge]

I forgot everything that I wrote in the first two paragraphs,
I'd say the last few are way more important

[lethal moat]

I’m saying the gene editing is a form of evolution, what you seem to be proposing is natural selection, which is a driver of evolution to be sure, but is not evolution itself

[hexed forge]

Gene editing is not a form of evolution tho

It is simply not

[lethal moat]

Why not

It develops species further, and it can be passed down

[snow jasper]

Evolution is the process of change. Selective breeding doesn't change anything about the gene pool, but reduces it for the next generations, nothing changes since you can still bring in new genes from other species.

Mutations on the other hand purely naturally as there is no where to chemically produce a gene that has never existed before, sure Gene Synthesis is a thing, but you're very limited in how you can fold each protein. There are 20 naturally occurring proteins, 4 occur in DNA (5th one if you consider RNA) and there are 100s of different synthetic proteins, but you can't use them.

Furthermore, if you wanted to mix and match different codon proteins, let me put it into perspective how impossible it is, the Human Genome has 3.2 billion base pairs of 46 chromosomes, all of which are randomly arranged, thats 147.2 billion base pairs arranged randomly (different species will have vastly different numbers) this isn't taking into account that this is one single human which doesn't represent the entire gene pool that has ever been apart of Homo Sapiens, some genes simply don't exist anymore and are extinct, its estimated at around 20,000 though for humans. Genes can vary from a couple hundred to a thousand base pairs.

If you wanted to introduce entirely new genes to a species and change its gene pool, it would be almost impossible since you have to account for the different codons and how they're read as well as well as to ensure its all compatible. AI can't do this for you either because AI is limited to what humans can tell it and humans are limited by what it knows. I would genuinely cry if you wanted to make an entirely new species from scratch.

[snow jasper]

It doesn't develop a species, it just mix and matches different genes from a gene pool.
Selective breeding and gene editing doesn't change the gene pool either.
This is not evolution. Evolution changes the gene pool.

Where is tiny when you need her

She knows this stuff better than me ( I think )

[hexed forge]

Holy crap Ruun you just said what I have been trying to type for the past 5 minutes in 2 minutes, thanks

Gene pools and stuff

[snow jasper]

You're welcome

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1342793629852237824/the_days_of_laughter_and_love_are_back.gif

Anyway brb

[lethal moat]

It does when you choose to take genes from the most successful and apply that to the rest of the species, it may not happen often, but we do have evidence of it happening with Augustus

@serene stag We are in need of your assistance
Apologies for the ping

That is not the right tiny

@fast forge

[granite ore]

Reduction is change though

[snow jasper]

This doesn't change the gene pool, if we are to assume the entire gene pool of a species, not just a specific interbreeding population. You're just mix and matching. The change being made is reduction, and this will produce slightly more inbred and specialised population which all use genes from the original gene pool, nothing new was added, nor did any of the genes change via a mutation.

[lethal moat]

I think of natural selection like an evolutionary tournament for survival
I think of what the replicator is doing as an accelerated evolutionary tournament to fulfill whatever goals AE has for the organism

[lethal moat]

Evolution does not have to be beneficial

[snow jasper]

I KNEW somebody was going to say that, but you only reduce the breeding population's gene pool, the entire species gene pool will not change.

[snow jasper]

I still dont get what you mean by this

[granite ore]

Evolution includes change within a species. Speciation is not the only thing that happens in evolution.

[lethal moat]

And genes don’t have to change via mutation, if they’re artificially swapped out, or a different dominant or recessive gene is introduced, it is still change

[granite ore]

Yes but that specific population’s gene pool has changed

[lethal moat]

Evolution is just genetic change in a population, not necessarily beneficial or broadening the gene pool

[granite ore]

And if the breeding population has a change in the gene pool then any genes not in the breeding population or future breeding population will eventually be lost.

There are multiple evolutionary processes through which genes are lost.

[hexed forge]

But does it classify as actual evolution if it happens in an instant rather than over time in a natural manner? No.

I just went through several sites and they strictly mention "Over time"

https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Evolution heres one ig

[granite ore]

Technically it happens over an extremely short period of time.

[lethal moat]

Are we going to get into a ship of thesius argument again? Because we already know it’s iterative

[hexed forge]

Extremely yeah

[lethal moat]

It is faster than normal evolution, but it is still evolution

[hexed forge]

I dont even know what this ship of thesius is,
I didn't get involved in those because I dont know much about greek mythos

[hexed forge]

It basically happens in an instant tho lol

[lethal moat]

How much of something has to change before it is no longer the same thing

[lethal moat]

So does normal evolution during reproduction, and with random mutations

[hexed forge]

Mutations and gene editing are not the same thing.

One is natural and the other is not.

[lethal moat]

Evolution does not have to be natural

[hexed forge]

No we are not going down that path then

[hexed forge]

It does. (Actually I think this is getting to the subjective part of the evolution theory so I guess I disagree then)

[lethal moat]

Natural selection and evolution are two different, but connected concepts

[granite ore]

Not necessarily

[hexed forge]

How does this have to do with anything.

By Natural, I am not strictly referring to Natural Selection

I am referring to breeding

[lethal moat]

What about artificial selection, thats still evolution, how is being more precise about that not also evolution

[hexed forge]

Artificial Selection is a natural form of evolution.

And if you are making the argument of Artificial Selection being the same as gene editing, it is not.

[lethal moat]

What qualifies as natural to you

[lethal moat]

I’m saying it’s extremely similar

[hexed forge]

It is not at all.

[granite ore]

Technically both are selecting certain genes, but they definitely aren’t the same, just somewhat similar.

[hexed forge]

Breeding causing the passing down of genetics I guess

[lethal moat]

What about implanting artificially fertilized embryos using unedited gametes, would that count

[hexed forge]

You are selecting a creature that you see as fit and suitable for yourself/itself to breed so it's genetics get passed down.

Vs

Editing the genotype/phenotype of a creature to be better/more suitable

I guess you can say they are similar, but I wouldn't say close

[granite ore]

As far as I’m aware, genes used in gene editing are pre-existing genes.

[hexed forge]

I have made 0 research on this so I have no clue what that is

[lethal moat]

That creature will then pass down that geneotype to future generations

[lethal moat]

If you make an unedited baby outside the womb and then put it in the womb, would it still be natural to you

[hexed forge]

Yup, so switching out/adding genes mb.

[snow jasper]

...Which leads to Reduced Gene Pool, which leads to Inheritance of Genetic Diseases, which leads to Extinction.

Natural Preventions would be through species colonisation, forcing adaption or a new breeding population interbreeds
Artificial Preventions would be through Artificial Insemination, Species introductions, covered the rest in that message.

The gene pool does change, but only leads to exaggerated features, you need to isolate them which leads to their extinction or their prosperity as a new species that diverged from the previous generations, which occurs naturally and thats when I would call it evolution. The potential gene pool of the entire species remains the same and I don't call it true change as it will reach a certain point where you cant change that breeding population's variation.

Mutations add to the gene pool overtime which induces proper change, leading to new species, and that is what I consider Evolution ( assuming those genes are selected through natural selection )

@granite ore

[lethal moat]

Were the replicator just creating one off creatures that were incapable of breeding, I would agree that it’s not evolution, but it’s iterative changes to entire species

[hexed forge]

1. The process itself that got it there in the first place wasn't a spark of evolution. But whatever happens onward with that gene would be a natural form of evolution, as long as its not disrupted- speaking of disrupted.. 2.

2. If we go back into the context of AEs way of doing things, they do A LOT of gene editing. (Presuming from the constant changes they did to Dibble) Thus, disrupting any form of evolution in that species.

[snow jasper]

Im not going to deny that reduction is change, it is, but a single breeding population's gene pool does not change the entire species population's potential gene pool. Only thing that would do that is mutations, which over time breeds entirely new genuses, etc

[granite ore]

Evolution can happen within a species.

[lethal moat]

You don’t make all those changes at once, you test things to make sure it works

[snow jasper]

Yes, mutations

[hexed forge]

Conclusion,
Basically what I'm trying to say is that.
The Replicator isn't an evolution machine, it is a machine that creates things that the humans would see as viable in there constantly changing testing ground (Gateway/other AE Facilities)

[lethal moat]

Alright, how is that not evolution though, if it is iterative

[hexed forge]

After the testing, it's either a success or a failure. Both lead to AE leaving it be for some time, or continuing to make changes until they see something positive.

If AE leaves it be, the evolution process can start. If AE continues to change it, the evolution process would keep getting interrupted.

[hexed forge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401480573471948821/1372749957123276831 Basically this

[lethal moat]

Natural selection works the same way, but failures perish and successes go on to pass down their genes, it’s the same process, just automated

[snow jasper]

I personally disagree with this, the potential remains the same, no matter what
The only change that happens is when mutations are introduced

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-confused-gif-15712129875520007531

[lethal moat]

We might just have to agree to disagree at this point

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-war-go-to-war-gif-9778408

[hexed forge]

The Replicator doesn't speed up evolution, it changes a specie to what the humans see potential in. If AE leaves a species be with no interruptions from The Replicator, Evolution exists. As soon as The Replicator gets involved, the evolution process stops

Edit: I should specify that Replicator involvement = The Replication of a new version of the specie, leading to the abandonment(Killing?) of the old version since AE would clearly not want to keep the old version if the new version is better.

Closing Statement.

[lethal moat]

My counter is that it’s evolution, just artificial
Thats my closing statement

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/drugbusta1-gif-6615366545959979992

[granite ore]

If a population within a species becomes isolated then it’ll lose genes present in the rest of the species while retaining genes that the rest lost. That is basically the start of speciation. Mutations add to the gene pool, but evolution includes both the gene pool growing and shrinking. The entire species genetic pool might be the same, but many of those genes aren’t being shared with the entire population anymore, therefore the isolated population is evolving in a different direction than the rest.

[granite ore]

If the Replicator is randomly mutating the animals’ genomes every so often, then it is essentially artificial evolution.
That is my closing statement?

[snow jasper]

My closing statement
I yield, it is 02:50

[hexed forge]

Lol

[lethal moat]

Good conversation all around

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/whatisgoingon-ohgod-crazy-gif-7867392

Isaac coming back from doing Uni stuff in a couple hours ^

[lethal moat]

Lets talk about tartarus

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona3-the-dark-hour-dark-hour-gif-18863888

[snow jasper]

tartare

[granite ore]

So Tartarus is some sort of containment facility, right?

[hexed forge]

Potentially

[lethal moat]

We know it’s at minimum some sort of punishment in Evrima

• that one reference in the dibble video

[fast forge]

what is this conversation that I missed

[lethal moat]

Would the replicator’s iterative gene editing qualify as evolution

My stance is that it does

Rün and Cerato disagree

[fast forge]

well if I check with the higher ups...

and also

So I'd say yes, it is evolution

It's evolution through artificial selection, but the animals are still evolving

[lethal moat]

That’s my argument as well, but Rün is stuck on the gene pool not growing and Cerato says it’s not natural

[fast forge]

Evolution doesn't have to be a natural process
Some scientists have guided the evolution of fruit flies using artificial measures
Dogs have been influenced by man through artificial selection, but they still evolved alongside us

idk about the point about the gene pool, that's a more specific concept

[lethal moat]

Those were my arguments as well

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[fast forge]

But we have the features of evolution

• Heritability across generations
• Evolutionary pressures (natural selection, artificial selection, sexual selection)
• Change over time within a population (I assume)
• Genetic variation within a population
• Adaptation to the local environment

Even now on Earth many many ecosystems are heavily managed by governments, and virtually nothing is completely free from human impact

It's just in The Isle's case instead of a governing body managing the ecosystem, it might be some sort of programming

[lethal moat]

It’s very invasive selection, but it still fits the minimum criteria

[fast forge]

Humans do some very drastic stuff to our ecosystems
Controlled burns, species introductions, species hunting and eradication, pesticides, herbicides, physical removal, moving massive amounts of earth, etc etc
By contrast what the replicator is (might) be doing is surgical by comparison
To some degree it is controlling an ecosystem down to the genetic level

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

Do we know this?

[acoustic osprey]

Humans destroy
The Replicator creates and perfects !

Heed to the criteria

And adhere they have.

I can imagine humans being afraid
Causing 'holy wars' and hits on AE

It may not be truly natural
But would it be scary efficient? I would imagine it as so

Holding human minds and putting it into other bodies? Creating entirely new creatures and recreating them like what we see happen with Troodon?

Truly out of this world

[lethal moat]

They’re not evil, they’re revolutionaries (who do evil things)

[acoustic osprey]

Evil is only evil because a general community of people deem it against their values...

This causes limitations.

[hallow ruin]

what 🫣

[hallow ruin]

how does that eve relate?

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hallow ruin]

i saw that but

by that do you mean that the spikes are some evolution type thing cuz
they got smaller > their body developed spikes as a natural defense

or AE did develop that

[lethal moat]

Could be both, one, or neither, but smaller things make sense to have more spikes

[fierce cradle]

Will it be cool if we get D rex type of dinos in the game ?

[acoustic osprey]

matriarch

maybe even the human strains

they're the most close, imo

[fierce cradle]

Now what is a human strain ?

[acoustic osprey]

Reaper, Colossus and Echidna

[lethal moat]

Humanoid is preferred, to me at least

[acoustic osprey]

(the colossus one is unofficially done, but the physical design is the same)

[lethal moat]

Updated reaper

[fierce cradle]

R they planned for the game ?

[acoustic osprey]

more or less, yes

in-game? maybe
but in-lore? Yes

[fast forge]

Reaper looks so similar to Gen 1 I think it's likely they are connected

[fierce cradle]

Collossus too ?

[acoustic osprey]

it depends for in-game though

it would far easier, in my opinion, to orientate a lot of the isle lore through a singleplayer/co-op survival game

[acoustic osprey]

all of the above have been confirmed
although Colossus, at the moment, is the least known about

[acoustic osprey]

i would LOVE for, in the future, to have a Forest-esque singleplayer on Isle Lore

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[lethal moat]

CARRIER

[fierce cradle]

We can play them in the base game too .... Couple of tweaks needed

Maybe a UE 5.5 upgrade

[acoustic osprey]

for the human strains? No

it is not something on performance
it is more so trying to implement them into the gameplay

which is very hard in my opinion

due to multiplayer

probably the biggest hinder in my opinion is multiplayer

[lethal moat]

Gib strains

[acoustic osprey]

dino strains is definitely going to be added though in my opinion
would be a lot 'easier' to do

[fierce cradle]

The game is a multiplayer

[acoustic osprey]

yes

i am more so discussing about the pros and cons with Multiplayer

which, there is definitely a lot to both sides

[fierce cradle]

Why do u think it will be hard from gameplay pov?

Balancing?

[fast forge]

The inherent limitations of storytelling in singleplayer vs multiplayer

[fierce cradle]

We r telling story by lore right ? U can see a game like dota .... It has a very deep lore but it doesn't effect the gameplay

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of multiplayer
there comes many limitations, like linearity with story, etc.
However, with human strains, a lot of does come to having to adhere to balancing becomes a big aspect — because they have to adhere to making it so they're not overpowered. Especially since the human strains were discussed about in legacy as being quite powerful. Colossus being GIANT, for example

saying that
it is not impossible to do

but i much prefer if The Isle, in almost all regards, became or had a singleplayer survival mode
but of course, it would not perform as well and most people in islecord would not be here for it

[fierce cradle]

And it still creates mysteries

[acoustic osprey]

agreed though

multiplayer can be a very good for 'storytelling'

but, sadly, it does more come down to communicating lore/story through worldbuilding
rather than proper 'storytelling' like in The Forest/Sons of the Forest

of course, i am biased

do i want to see an Isled version of Sons of The Forest? Hell yeah
do i know that The Isle is not going down that direction though? Yeah... oh well

but what we've gotten, hard-lore-wise, has been really nice and good though

will it be hard to do the same in-game? most likely

hopefully that means more lore hunts or akin

[fierce cradle]

We can like ... The time tartarus got destroyed.... For 6 months keep a cave with horns blaring with red lights everywhere .... And sometimes to tease a creature some cries of that creature.... Then after 6 months for rememberence of the time give a skin or just remove the frone the cave and make a perimeter around it

[acoustic osprey]

Ha, that would be cool

I would love a dedicated official 'story server'

That would have events happen or akin
A server like normal officials
But if you see a Hyperendocrin.

... oh I realised this is a poorly thought out idea

I just want an excuse for lore to happen in world where people be like 'oh well, I signed up for this when I picked the server anyways...'

[lethal moat]

Assuming your data stays within a server, we could designate a few servers within lorecord as “we’re going to try and find lore stuff and progress on these” and we can take that knowledge to other servers

[acoustic osprey]

not what i was imagining exactly
but that would be cool

but those designated servers, you mean designated Official Servers?

i think, unoffiically for us, that would be NA West
but forgot the number

[torpid roost]

how big is that guy wow

[hexed forge]

Gene editing is not evolution nor a form of a creature evolving.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1205258485445431387/IMG_1332.gif

This was my main point along the entire argument.

[acoustic osprey]

define directed evolution

[hexed forge]

Directed Evolution and Gene editing are not the same thing, I guess you can say they are connected tho.

But iirc directed evolution is mimicking the process of natural selection in a lab. So like, rats with the superior traits being chosen to improve through rounds of mutagenesis and amplification or whatever I forgot. Not too sure on the topic but I’m pretty sure they are not the same thing, gene editing and directed evolution that is

[acoustic osprey]

^also your assumptions hurt me Cerato

[acoustic osprey]

while, at the same time, there have been cases of CRISPR-Cas9 usage for directed evolution
would you count this still as directed evolution? despite, clearly, gene editing/tampering occurred

at the same time though

[hexed forge]

It’s pretty obvious that the 35 generations of dibbles aren’t 35 generations of long breeding.. I severely doubt it. Using the Replicator to efficiently execute gene edits seems like something AE would do

[acoustic osprey]

you are coming under assumptions that we know how both AUGUSTUS and (especially) how the Dibbles were made

[acoustic osprey]

do we... know this though?

what if these dinosaurs 'omnisaurs' have accelerated growth

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-gif-3613293371727723981

[acoustic osprey]

I am serious Cerato

i have my points for all 4 potential routes

Isle hasn't been afraid to reflect in-game with in-lore and vice versa

hence why i am trying not to come under assumptions of how it works

and only giving input in stuff like this with it being given that i notify it is a theory

because we don't really know

the plant foods used CRISPR-Cas9
does it mean that is directed evolution?

no, not explicitly

because we just don't know

sure we have some bits. Realistically. One or two things on stuff like that.
but still

like this barely tells us anything

also how do the 'generations' work?

how do they work irl? Tiny would know

as i am pretty sure, irl, it relates to offspring generations

i.e. it is not 'vertical'

which, i have no clue if "F" is only used for just parent-to-offspring aspects (vertical)

and saying that

we don't even know how gene editing could work in Isle, which is something that would be interesting to see in the future

being that:

• could they be able to edit mid-being-alive? OR just embryonically

of course, it quite likely is just in the embyro or equivalent

this is the part of the lore where we literally are working off hypotheticals because there is basically nothing on this

[fast forge]

Gene editing alone is not evolution, but an evolving population can be influenced by gene editing and it is still considered to be evolving

[fierce cradle]

Guyz after writting the fan fiction can I upload in this chat ?

[snow jasper]

I would still challenge this idea, but I know I would have the entire scientific community against me. I simply disagree with the parameters of the widely accepted definition.

[iron anchor]

artificial evolution

[acoustic osprey]

probably not
but i am no admin, so i don't mind

[acoustic osprey]

nah you'd probably have a majority of the scientific community behind you
especially conservatives and traditionalists

but it is an argument i gave to thecerato in lorecord

about challening the norms and restrictions we give, consciously and unconsciously, upon standard thinking of things we are familiar with
versus something like this

which has basically never happened properly
so therefore our conventional understandings of "X" cannot truly help define such

because

what else would you call this then?

un-but-at-the-same-time-similar-but-not-the-same(!)-evolution

gene mutation doesn't cut it
but it isn't just gene mutation

it isn't gene mutation, clearly, with AUGUSTUS
and we have no understanding on how the Dibble "F" generations work
besides how they would happen irl

which, even then, that is about pre-existing animals
not things that have never truly existed before

[snow jasper]

Well you put it best, definitions probably wont change since there isn't a need for it to change, as things are, they still work in conveying a general understanding, in this case of evolution - which whether you call it evolution or not - the core mechanisms at hand are fact and occur whether it was guided by Human or Inhuman forces. But its getting too philosophical for me at this point.

[fast forge]

So is your point that it isn't evolution if there are artificial changes to the population?

[snow jasper]

Yes

[nimble fractal]

I'm with Rün on that one

[hexed forge]

Yes, correct. However this argument was also referring to The Replicator.
Point still stands, replicator is not an evolution machine. It is a machine that edits a specie based on what the humans told it to do. Adding a new version of a specie via the replicator isn’t evolution.

Basically as I’ve said before,
Without replicator intervention, the specie can evolve normally. With the replicator interrupting, it fails to qualify as evolution. There is no evolution involved when a new version of the specie is added to a population of older versions. ESPECIALLY if that new version is meant to take over the old version, which I am guessing AE just kills the old version lol

A change that is made by the replicator isn’t an act of the specie evolving

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/jumanji-kevin-hart-i-hate-this-i-hate-this-game-jumanji-welcome-to-the-jungle-gif-17133183

[fast forge]

But humanity messes with ecosystems ALL THE TIME

So are you saying most ecosystems on earth are not undergoing evolution? That's silly

[fast forge]

This is the definition of evolution. Just because the replicator is involved doesn't invalidate these precepts

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-im-sayin-falling-gif-25685028

[fast forge]

Humanity touches upon and impacts virtually every organism on earth. Does that mean nothing on earth is evolving?

I really feel like the desire to delineate between
"This is natural"
and
"That is unnatural"
is tied into this concept for y'all

But the real world doesn't make any distinction between natural and unnatural in the way we view it. It's just a system with specific parts that reacts in certain ways

[hexed forge]

And the Replicator ruins/interrupts/not even involved in any of those key factors.

[fast forge]

Which one does it "ruin"?

[hexed forge]

Change over time and genetic variation

[fast forge]

The populations do change over time...

and there is genetic variation within a population

We literally have different mutations and different skin patterns