isle-lore-theories

[hexed forge]

WITH GLANCE SHEETS

[acoustic osprey]

this picture reminds me of a gun range i went to in Thailand

[muted reef]

Crouch run is what it's called. Also it's got a charge jump and new animation now

[acoustic osprey]

maybe...

[hexed forge]

With actual lore.. hopefully..

[acoustic osprey]

but it is a glance sheet...

maybe the rex glance sheet will when the first time they noticed Shirley and/or Dean

seeing as they didn't know what was special about them till later

[hexed forge]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

that would be quite interesting

albeit, a bit anti-climatic of a way to find out about them

[hexed forge]

hey

Theres still hope for a lore video for april fools.. right?

[acoustic osprey]

(i'd say do an actual lore video about it)

[hexed forge]

YEAH

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/eomer-hope-has-forsaken-these-lands-gif-24645625

[muted reef]

I am so hyped about the omniraptor news

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-beer-bier-saufen-glas-gif-6536513990702332475

[acoustic osprey]

then hype about it out of the lore chat!!

[muted reef]

It has lore

[hexed forge]

They can.. run and crouch !!!

[muted reef]

Uh...how would a Gen 2 deal with this situation!

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-dont-go-long-grass-not-listening-gif-15068134

[acoustic osprey]

by going to isle discussion...

[muted reef]

No

[muted reef]

I wonder if we're gonna get GUTS maps in game

[acoustic osprey]

probably not fully

[hexed forge]

Is that a window or a pipe..

[rapid chasm]

wdym

[snow jasper]

Its a door

[muted reef]

Multiple maps

[rapid chasm]

window prob

[acoustic osprey]

@hexed forge just less than 20 minutes (out of 30) is done... woohoo!!

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-steve-jack-black-minecraft-movie-jump-elytra-gif-12591930085060906840

[icy onyx]

So what’s the story we know so far about so I can make some theories

[lethal moat]

Did AE ever make something smarter than the scientists, other than potentially the replicator?

[polar bramble]

what if the dinosaurus were fish🥶🥶

[fervent valve]

Does Omniraptor have scientific name? I obviously know they’re a fictional animal, but have the devs (or I guess the scientists who made them) given it one?

[acoustic osprey]

No

[fervent valve]

Well if the devs ever want to make a reference, they should totally name it ‘Omniraptor ingens’, ingens means large, obviously referring to the animals large size and a cool nod to InGen from JP

[acoustic osprey]

A few years ago I would've said Echidna
But now? Who knows

Echidna may be intelligent
But i don't think intelligent in the fields of a scientist

[young sphinx]

Where is Dondi and why hasn’t he snuck in a leak yet?

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah...

It has been a hit minute

[hexed forge]

Yay

[low scarab]

Hurry up the people yearn for the lore

[acoustic osprey]

I don't know if i should release it ON April Foolds though!!

(i have about 7 minutes left of editing though)

but i have no idea what i should do for a thumbnail

[low scarab]

Hmmm

[torpid roost]

elder omni

chatgpt recreation

[acoustic osprey]

oh wait
what
that looks cool

what was the prompt?

seems like it doesn't understand a bit of the perspective
but for a pretty low quality photo
that looks nice

(like the camera is likely high up, so the bottom right should be a building. Not a fence)

[torpid roost]

i told it to increase the brightness and contrast, and the second image i told him to recreate the image with better quality

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

[torpid roost]

is the thing left to de door a stair in the original image?

[acoustic osprey]

likely

[torpid roost]

i see some inclined shape but cant say if its a stair

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-got-an-idea-junkrat-over-watch-video-game-gif-17492139

[ornate comet]

So this exists

Or my 4 hours of sleep is catching up to me and this is bait and I just can’t tell

[lethal moat]

April 4th on spotify

Put it on the calander

[ornate comet]

It’s gonna end up being 3 hours of don beatboxing lol

[lethal moat]

HA

[hexed forge]

Might be april fools honestly

I think it's april fools

[ornate comet]

Didn’t we get dibble trail cam on April fools as well

[hexed forge]

yeah

But like

This just.. seems too good to be true...

Its too good to be true.

Way too good.

We wanted Isle OST on Spotify/etc for a long time.

This is too good to be true

[ornate comet]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

Well it’s a short as well even if it doesn’t show up like that when I paste it

Oh it’s a short by default? Idk I need some coffee I’m barely awake here

[fallow harbor]

this is like the stupidst joke ever if it is

[hexed forge]

Yet this is something they would do.

[fallow harbor]

no

[fast forge]

it is a short

the first for The Isle official channel

[hexed forge]

The fact that Dondi isn't in any chat like hyping it up or something makes it feel weird.

As if they are watching us react to it.

Maybe Im just paranoid.

[fast forge]

idk seems real to me

[fallow harbor]

.....

[fast forge]

doesn't seem silly enough to be an april fools thing

[fallow harbor]

u r very paranoid

[hexed forge]

You think they wouldn't put a lot of effort into April Fools jokes?

[fast forge]

If it is a joke it's so extremely niche, I'm no small Isle fan and I've never heard of this

[fast forge]

I didn't say low effort, it's just not funny

[hexed forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K12d_mETqkA Like wasn't Bryan taken off "Isle" work just to work on this for a couple of weeks?

[ornate comet]

Please be this

[hexed forge]

Im paranoid then

[hexed forge]

Holy peak

3 hours of Dondi beatboxing

[fallow harbor]

iirc devs said they had extra time to do this. but at the same time when in hell would any dev not have anything to do?

[fast forge]

My point is, if this is a joke it's so niche and flat that no one will get it at all

[hexed forge]

Are you saying you never heard of the community beg for Isle OST on Spotify/other platforms?

💀

[fast forge]

I have not

[hexed forge]

Because a lot of people begged and wanted this for several years

[fast forge]

Or if they've said it I haven't noticed, sometimes it's hard to catch everything in chat

[ornate comet]

Interesting that in the video it’s called waves

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[ornate comet]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[hexed forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mdtREBaG9E

Maybe it is real.

But it never hurts to be paranoid about things..

[ornate comet]

I just clicked that and immediately heard the music from dons stream

[hexed forge]

yeah

[median furnace]

ITS REAL

[ornate comet]

Sadly I have no headphones so ima have to wait 4 hours until I get home

[median furnace]

real life the music update

i hope its gonna be atleast in hi res lossless on itunes

[hexed forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMD8O-i7q2M

Old OST

ANYWAY never hurts to be paranoid but yeah would be amazing if its real

[median furnace]

actually rad

https://tenor.com/view/negan-negan-smile-twd-season8-mischievous-grin-gif-27512652

this better be real

[hexed forge]

The community will go insane if its fake

[ornate comet]

You think this could be music for playing as Gen 2 only or

[median furnace]

anyways im glad tyrannic got a ´´remake´´

[hexed forge]

Possibly

[median furnace]

the fact that its split into ´´waves´´ makes me hope it will play interactivly ingame

example something big strolling its way around you

[hexed forge]

Also @fast forge happy birthday

[median furnace]

oh cool

@fast forge happy birthday

https://tenor.com/view/hobbit-happy-birthday-lord-of-the-rings-lotr-bilbo-gif-14049251735456484826

[fast forge]

thank you

[median furnace]

YEEESSS

[hexed forge]

Anthony releasing it on the worst day possible....

[median furnace]

yeah lol

3 days people

[acoustic osprey]

THANK GOD

I REALLY WANT TO PRINT THIS ON VINYL OR CD

[hexed forge]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

you know i'm gonna be no1 listener

[hexed forge]

maybe

[lethal moat]

YEAHHHH

[snow jasper]

banana

[icy onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683040176397746187/965087719715905546/image01.gif

[median furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/580404970151608322/862843119237464103/juvseizure.gif

[hexed forge]

you stole this from me

[snow jasper]

after you stole it from me

[torpid roost]

btw @hallow ruin is that retro dino in the game files?

[hexed forge]

after you stole it from uhh

[acoustic osprey]

fuzzy

[torpid roost]

the model i mean

[hexed forge]

No

No

[torpid roost]

sad

ill just wait for mods

to play a completely retro roster

that would be fire

[torpid roost]

thats the plan probably, it might be real but droping it on april fools will just make us paranoid which means we are being fooled

[hexed forge]

yea...

[fast forge]

<@&401466542140817419>

[hexed forge]

what the hell man

Two in one

Are we not going to delete the discord invitation-

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-gif-7496081

[icy onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523282321303142400/1209905095433650186/melon.gif

[acoustic osprey]

25 minutes in... oh so close

[pseudo lantern]

lore lore lore

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/its-beautiful-orson-krennic-star-wars-gif-27444911

[acoustic osprey]

did anyone take a photo of the "Trailcamera base" in-game (not a dblog photo)?

never mind... found one

[hexed forge]

Soon..

[hexed forge]

Hmm?

[acoustic osprey]

1 minute now
then i export

[hexed forge]

YAYYYY

[acoustic osprey]

this one from Jack

[hexed forge]

Oh that,
Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

i remember going there a lot
but i never took a screenshot lol

i wish they were there still in-game
I love going to lore places

makes me confused when people say 'no one goes to docks'

because i forget
most people don't really care about that stuff like we do

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[lethal moat]

Lore scrap book time

[hexed forge]

The Dibble location is completely different now so you the only way to bring back that camera I guess is to.. put in some base... archive 7..

[acoustic osprey]

yeah... WHERE IS ARCHIVE 7!!

original theory was potentially the server room in Perm but.... that is gone
the actual servers

[hexed forge]

Gone...

[acoustic osprey]

gonna use one of the new tracks for the video as well
why not

[hexed forge]

Lol

[lethal moat]

I really hope the island has sirens you can activate

[hexed forge]

Lol

[lethal moat]

Warning: Level 5 clearance asset breached containment.
Seek immediate shelter
Warning: Level 5 clearance...

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mermaid-relax-comfortable-gif-5959372

Get it, cuz siren

[lethal moat]

Silly

[ornate comet]

Would be really cool for areas deep in guts or even deeper areas outside of guts have like constant alarms blaring that just haven’t stopped since whatever happened to the island

Running off residual power or whatever

[lethal moat]

I feel like they'd break quickly

[ornate comet]

Solar power 😎

Also has anyone talked about where AE gets their power?

Maybe they go full solar, offshore wind, maybe there’s some nuclear reactors tucked away somewhere

[lethal moat]

Geothermal and tidal is my bet

Or the hydro from the dam

[muted reef]

Volcano...

[fast forge]

Yeah I think it's the volcano

[barren ruin]

wind is a scam, solar requires too much active maintenance, nuclear maybe, geo hydro and tidal power like Rumple suggested are much more likely since they can be passive

[acoustic osprey]

we need proper solid state lithium

[bright shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/energizer-bunny-stillgoing-gif-8773276632942831676

[rapid chasm]

geothermal and tidal

solar if shtf

like solar will power fences at bases for atleast 12ish hours ig

[acoustic osprey]

solar can be nice... when you have 40 of them
helping pay off some bills...

[rapid chasm]

you store the energy in underground batteries under said bases

not that hard to do

[torpid roost]

geothermic energy from volcano and biomass energy from the plant waste

[snow jasper]

Im hoping we get wind turbines off the coast in the future, purely just for aesthetic

I do like the idea how AE uses sustainable energy, its just ironic to me since in order to get sustainable energy, you need to use unsustainable energy.

Even if the construction of such facilities utilised electric machines in construction and operation, it would be unbelievably expensive.

Which makes me wonder, how much is AE worth, but im too uneducated in that sort of stuff with economics, GDP and what not to predict

[torpid roost]

so i was triying to figure what this logo mean (gen 2 shirt logo) from the isaac video, and how did chatgpt knew this was from the isle gen 2 logo lol

it might represent replicator, its products have that logo but we also dont know if gen 2 were made with the replicator

Possible meanings of the logo by chatgpt:

Project Identification – It could represent an organization or a cloning/experimentation program, something like a manufacturing mark.

Artificial Creation – If the "Gen 2" are clones, the logo could be their "production seal," indicating they were designed or mass-replicated.

Relation to AI – If an artificial intelligence is managing the island or the process of creating these humans, the logo could be its signature, indicating they are AI-produced rather than naturally born.

Special Materials (Lithium?) – If lithium is a key resource in the game's lore, it could be related to their development or maintenance.

[median furnace]

gen2 were def made with replicator

[plush widget]

AE MADE CHAT GPT???

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[ionic sable]

I wonder if Apollo Engineering pre-dates modern computing.

[lethal moat]

Apollo engineering or Apollo, and what exactly do you mean by modern computing

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-carrey-jimcarrey-truman-burbank-the-truman-show-gif-2282329544410441356

[ionic sable]

Apollo, and the mid 40s

[lethal moat]

Hmm

Mayhappenstance

[ionic sable]

So true

[median furnace]

hmm could make sense if they started around the 40s

ae could grow so much if they would be able to help fight back the food shortage during ww2

[torpid roost]

maybe they are making gen 1 and gen 2 to sell them to countries for ww3

[median furnace]

and hell who knows, maybe the history in isle universe is different

[lethal moat]

Apollo is the Isle’s equivalent of Haber-Bosch?

[fast forge]

A bit of reading material for anyone interested

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid

[hexed forge]

Would be great

[icy onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/995084695199039518/1140409409898565833/togif.gif

[torpid roost]

did Dondi always had that binary code on its profile?

[fast forge]

yes, pretty sure it's a Futurama reference

[torpid roost]

oh ok

[pseudo lantern]

m

[lethal moat]

I can't believe I didn't think of this before
Could there be something named Circe? Given her affinity for turning humans into animals?

Connecting to EIPs?

[ornate comet]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-quit-yapping-yap-waffle-stfu-gif-2451949384988892352

[ornate comet]

MEEEE

You know I should prob change my YouTube channel icon to Ben

To really sell it

[median furnace]

what is you meaning

[lethal moat]

Circe is a greek witch from myth that used to turn men into animals

[median furnace]

i cant possibly think of any way that would fit into isle lore

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/580404970151608322/862843119237464103/juvseizure.gif

[fast forge]

EIP's

[rigid tartan]

Oh no not Ben! I thought he died ages ago

[lethal moat]

She's still canon

[rigid tartan]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

chances of new 'lore names' coming from Codex 1 (Isle OST album 1)?

i am just hoping it wasn't a very bad april fools joke

[low scarab]

im very excited either way

and im hoping this comes along with a proper in game music system

but of course with previous music like "thousand life contract" there is a solid chance we might get something interesting

[fast forge]

seems quite unlikely to me

[muted reef]

Chatgpt knows because I yap to it about the isle all the time

[muted reef]

Why is Ben a she if the name is Ben

[acoustic osprey]

I only say such because Anthony made Thousand Life Contract

And so, there could be a chance...

but also.... maybe...
i doubt but... who knows

(audio steganography)

@fast forge Also my comment on the F36 stuff
IF you need me to explain better (because text sucks)
I tried to explain it to Tamim in lorecord better on voice memo — i can try and forward you to that convo

[acoustic osprey]

i believe ChatGPT know your past messages? I believe...

have you asked GPT before about Gen2s?

(in a seperate chat)

[acoustic osprey]

ha, of course you ask this question!

[muted reef]

I have plenty of times

[hexed forge]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[acoustic osprey]

i'd say potentially
maybe a bit closer than 40s

but
starting on botany can truly be any time from the end of WWII to the height of the cold war

if they happened in The Isle lore...

[acoustic osprey]

sometimes it brings up past convos
always weird

[muted reef]

?

It learns from my prompts because I always correct it

[acoustic osprey]

GPT

[muted reef]

Past convos from here?

[acoustic osprey]

no no no

from GPT

[muted reef]

GPT brings up past convos...from GPT?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

like older threads
never used to do that

till, i believe, either 3.5 or 4.0

[muted reef]

Chatgpt is getting upgraded a bunch

[acoustic osprey]

yeah...

[muted reef]

It's going on 6

It's scary bro

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-invincible-conquest-heart-love-you-invincible-gif-16830902008122765368

[acoustic osprey]

please don't laugh...

[muted reef]

The more it gets wrong and the more I correct it...the more it gets better than us

[hexed forge]

But its.. April fools...

[acoustic osprey]

Spotify does staggered release
so i'll send them here or in lorecord ... if it is real ...

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jaja-gif-5735507904982827459

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah you live in the future

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, sorry

[hexed forge]

Oh I do hope there are some tiny lore details.. maybe

[acoustic osprey]

maybe a little reference or to

like very ambient references though

like

Save Zone 5 Minute Loop

from the recent anthony post

these are supposed to be in-game as well (the ones he sent)

I HOPE Save Zone is for when you're in GUTS
it has a real nice ambience to it

although
If i were to make a video essay on the actual musicality of the tracks

I'd probably say they're far too melodic
even Save Zone is just a bit too melodic for my liking
not enough ambient

[hexed forge]

Potentially

[acoustic osprey]

I know even Minecraft's ambience tracks are a bit melodic
especially the Alpha tracks

but... the isle cries for you to be hearing at all times
therefore having melodic tracks can be quite distracting for the listener, especially when the melodic side of things are usually in higher frequencies

and higher frequencies is usually where most dinosaur calls and generic sounds are also playing in

therefore you get a bit of a mish-mash hotpot of sound that becomes just too distracting

although
this is where clever mixing comes in (especially with EQs) but oh well

I am not brave enough to truly handle The Isle's OST issue as an in-game system
so many variables
and, honestly, i prefer without
unless it is a singleplayer experience — so you don't have to worry about many of those variables that come with 'multiplayer fairness'

[ionic sable]

Yep

[fast forge]

yes I always play with music off and sound up quite high (unless I'm playing ptera)

[acoustic osprey]

Ha

[fast forge]

I literally don't even really know the music because I've never played with it

[muted reef]

They should be like legacy. They weren't that loud and were less melodic than these new ones

[acoustic osprey]

They were pretty melodic tbf...

[muted reef]

Less

[acoustic osprey]

I don't agree

There were just more tracks in general

[muted reef]

Tyrant is more melodical no?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

Which means there were more ambient tracks

Than in evrima, in general

Which would make it seem legacy had generally more ambience
Despite still having a large quantity of more melodic tracks

[median furnace]

Soundtrack tomorow

[acoustic osprey]

exactly!

[median furnace]

Heres hoping its gonna be uploaded in hi res lossless on itunes

Also

Mayhaps some of this plays when you spot an apex?

[acoustic osprey]

potentially
yea

or Strain

Likely apex/Rex

[median furnace]

Ngl some bits of the tyrannic track remind me of saurian

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[median furnace]

Its gonna cause so many problems awwww man

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[median furnace]

What gets released first, winds of winter or elder mechanic

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-sleepless-no-way-what-huh-gif-16247468

[acoustic osprey]

elder seems more likely... but...

[hexed forge]

Yeah it is going to be difficult to implement it

[acoustic osprey]

i mean... we already have such...

but... that being said
most of them are old
some of them are from Dmitrii

Which it seems like he is no longer part of the team

[hexed forge]

But it's just

Really bad..

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say bad
just the selection of songs too small and (most of them) are too old

also no more human music playing in human areas is a bit sad...
I don't mind human music playing in human places
especially if it is slightly omnious

seeing as it has been a year since the Dibble video
chances of a proper LORE video this year though?

i do wonder why they didn't announce the soundtrack
Maybe they'll do it once it releases?

(especially seeing as they did with the Merch)

[acoustic osprey]

||besides on YouTube of course||

but not even in Discord is weird

unless it is truly an april fools moment...

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-12986085083782148824

[acoustic osprey]

yeah...

[median furnace]

I will bash my head into a wall

I downloaded all of isle ost from youtube and uploaded it to my playlist

I swear if this was a bad april fools joke

[acoustic osprey]

VERY bad april fools joke, if it was one

[merry zodiac]

Or the joke will be its not the music they release but something else

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717080687932604456/1258108922259177604/rollingcat.gif

[snow jasper]

car

[icy onyx]

Its a cat silly

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[icy onyx]

oh

[valid geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020842911568510997/1355996171948261526/IMG_1096.gif

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/shusher-home-captain-smek-gif-16112908977447177811

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F2N4RXTK/ref=sr_1_14?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.puRjvV6qVT705oHC8v__9mOgTZ3FlaLVatAoBu4VWw4yb9wb7ZkJ1Pu682ZOOkFaUH3DRHaf5gEPq9jsC4BPmtqIuM5KHrWpVuJcfP7qc1Cdhmr0pP5wK9S9rGbi3HJRe2nPSZB0o4dWu9IR4gk7AfX5CsE1inRNhPDmjONa3d5e2Zxf7Ltj4q0QWHWhd5W-GBoLMDnb7hMlexpxl6TfbjypMwaGaGpkI1KiLYH2qdg.-7jQxfsfk_GAS2DBlRtLDc2sIWWr0iXdyilZ2Vc89FQ&dib_tag=se&qid=1743680159&refinements=p_n_date%3A1249098011&s=dmusic&sr=1-14
IT IS REAL

34 SONGS

[pseudo lantern]

WOOO

[acoustic osprey]

Welcome to the Isle
03:37
2
Acts of God I
05:50
3
Acts of God II
05:41
4
Dawn Exploration I
01:55
5
Dawn Exploration II
01:56
6
Day Exploration I
01:55
7
Day Exploration II
01:55
8
Dusk Exploration I
01:55
9
Dusk Exploration II
01:56
10
Introspective Exploration I
01:55
11
Introspective Exploration II
01:56
12
Night Exploration I
01:55
13
Night Exploration II
01:55
14
Tension Exploration I
01:55
15
Tension Exploration II
01:56
16
Tension Exploration III
01:56
17
Hallucinations
01:59
18
Laboratories
02:01
19
Laboratories II
02:10
20
Lineage Displacement
09:50
21
Migration
03:33
22
Safe Zone Loop
00:55
23
Safe Zone
01:08
24
The Carnivore
02:00
25
The Herbivore
02:16
26
The Island Sleeps
03:51
27
The Island Suite
09:05
28
The Omnisaur Grows
02:29
29
The Omnisaur Hatches
02:17
30
The Omnisaur Hunts
02:16
31
Thousand Life Contract
02:20
32
Tyrannic Presence
03:17
33
Tyrannic Presence II
04:24
34
Young Omnisaur Explores
01:55

[pseudo lantern]

OMNISAUR

[acoustic osprey]

The Omnisaur Grows
02:29
29
The Omnisaur Hatches
02:17
30
The Omnisaur Hunts

Interesting names

Lineage Displacement

YIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[plush widget]

is this all new stuff?

in the sense that its remade

[acoustic osprey]

lots of it is new

some of it is old
like thousand life contract

[plush widget]

https://tenor.com/view/hottie-dancing-happy-dance-excited-yay-gif-3665887524256226991

[acoustic osprey]

some of them are already on Anthony's website

[plush widget]

i need that thousand life contract bruh

[median furnace]

can you play it??

[acoustic osprey]

that one is likely the same on his website

[acoustic osprey]

not yet

hopefully it unlocks in 2 hours for me...

[median furnace]

yo what?

[acoustic osprey]

music releases are usually staggered

[median furnace]

im gonna assume omnisaur is for all dinos

[acoustic osprey]

3pm for me tomorrow

[median furnace]

6 am for me lol

imma wake up and download it all

if it releases at that time on all platforms its gonna be lit

[acoustic osprey]

it may release at 3pm your local time as well
usually music platforms are weird like that

[weak crypt]

Uga stuff

[acoustic osprey]

sick

[median furnace]

also, im currently working on something personal but its heavily inspired by that ptero thing matriarch that tapwing drew so i might transform it into the ptero matriarch tap made fully

not that far off

the hardest thing with creatures that have more than 4 limbs is realistic muscle placement

[acoustic osprey]

looks real nice though

[median furnace]

ty

i really dont like the wing membrane though

i might do all the matriarch stages someday

could be fun but id have to go and do some bits in blender and do alot of copy paste since it has these weird bits

not really model friendly

or id have to simplify it by quite a bit

[plush widget]

how do you even achieve that level of detail

[knotty locust]

the interrogation room

[plush widget]

it drives me crazy to even think about it

[median furnace]

high poly sculpts usually

i could do it, it would just take weeks propably

[weak crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-joker-interrogation-batman-grabbing-joker-movie-scene-gif-3219327758128864282

[median furnace]

28 STAB WOUNDS

the retopo´d mesh would have to have alot more polys than standard anyway

the larger a creature gets ingame the higher you want the poly count to be, otherwise it gets blocky real quick when something gets close to it

maybe just maybe, if ever the matriarch makes it into the game, even as a dev only rare occurence, they could utilize ue5 nanite skeletal mesh thingy

would be a pain in the ass to rig though

animating would be easier since you can just use the same rig but a lower poly mesh

if i wasnt a stubborn self taught idjit id propably be in some other better place

[torpid roost]

i just sent him a screenshot of the logo without ever talking about it before and it knew that logo was from the gen 2

[median furnace]

cant even remember the last time i fully watched a modelling tutorial

[median furnace]

fr? show

i was thinking if chatgpt could be used as a brain for some AI, like give it some behaviour characteristics and preprogram some actions and make it decide what to do on runtime

[torpid roost]

ok, the only issue is that i asked it in spanish so you wont prolly understand

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

[median furnace]

oh okay lol

[torpid roost]

i told him it was from a videogame and it said the isle

[median furnace]

have you asked it about the isle in the past?

[torpid roost]

yes

but not to lore things

[spark egret]

THE ISSLE

[median furnace]

it saves to its ´´memory´´ what you asked about in the past or what you needed help with so it propably went from there

[torpid roost]

i think he also remembers conversations with other people so thay might help him too

but still surprises me how he figured that logo was exactly from the Gen 2 in Evrima when i never talked about them in the past

i told him to make a gen 2 and he made this lol

[acoustic osprey]

LOL

[median furnace]

dam its getting good

[acoustic osprey]

the logo looks really nice when not shonky lol

[median furnace]

5 fingers on each hand

[torpid roost]

ill ask him to make a matriarch concept now

[median furnace]

that wont go well

[torpid roost]

he still cooking the drawing

[torpid roost]

fr

YOO

IT LOOKS SICK

its similar to stage 6

[acoustic osprey]

just should be in the water...

[median furnace]

doesnt really give matriarch vibes tbh

looks more like a dark fantasy dragon

[torpid roost]

i sent stage 4,2 and 6 for reference but i cant send the other ones idk why

ima try again

[fast forge]

I hate AI stuff ngl

doesn't feel useful, and it's theft

unless you got one with sources of material that were freely given

but otherwise yeah, not a fan of art theft

[acoustic osprey]

what is art but theft...

[median furnace]

me neither

[median furnace]

inspiration, human soul

[acoustic osprey]

Good artists copy; great artists steal...

as per Picasso... who apparently stole the quote

[median furnace]

i will find you for this

[fast forge]

heart, soul, passion, humanity

it is the essence of being human

[median furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona3-the-dark-hour-dark-hour-gif-18863888

[torpid roost]

im just doing this for fun😭

[median furnace]

with every cell of my body i hate ai art

what is ai art but chimeras

[fast forge]

it just feels useless, doesn't add anything to the conversation

it's like asking an earthworm about isle lore
it doesn't know, it doesn't understand, it doesn't care

[acoustic osprey]

also bad for environment
quite literally

[fast forge]

the only difference is AI stuff will give you an answer

[fast forge]

also this, and getting worse every year

[acoustic osprey]

i don't mind about art much
as much as i prefer art being human
we can't stop it unless we ALL stop it

which will never happen

[acoustic osprey]

until SOLID STATE LITHIUM
WHERE IS IT

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-the-immortal-where-is-he-gif-21382131

[fast forge]

I agree we can't stop it

[acoustic osprey]

such is technology... whether ethically good or bad...

😔

[fast forge]

tbh I think the context where AI stuff fits the lore is if you have it speaking for/interpreting the replicator

Being AI itself

[acoustic osprey]

like how robots were taking the field of pathology and cytology
Which my mum saw, as she is in that field

[torpid roost]

yea this looks better

[acoustic osprey]

but AI
...

AI...
oh you are something else

[median furnace]

we need giant crabs

[fast forge]

I think we'll get them

[median furnace]

ark reaper

[fast forge]

just requires patience...

[median furnace]

giant carb

[torpid roost]

ark dragon boss+ reaper queen=

[median furnace]

oh ark, what couldve been if greed was not a thing

imagine ark with good pvp, good movement system like the isle and a sons of the forest building system

game of the decade

[fast forge]

idk I just play palworld instead

[median furnace]

i hate palworld

[fast forge]

why?

[median furnace]

its a mash up of pokemon ark and multiple other things

couldve atleast made it less obvious

didnt need the giant obelisks in the sky

animal enslavement simulator

[fast forge]

well in lore it's hinted they are all actually transformed humans

and yeah it's a mashup of things others have done, but that's most video games anyway

[ornate comet]

Snail games ruined ark

I like ark ascended kinda, but its performance is terrible and I’m kinda not into the type of game that ark is anymore. To busy to log in every day and make sure my boys are fed

[median furnace]

my ex

[median furnace]

wildcard doing anything but manual optimization of their multi million product

such wasted potential it got me to try to make a ark game of my own

except im a lazy sonofabitch so its not going anywhere

[nimble fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929072541966958713/1278138983661965377/caption.gif

[lethal moat]

Inspired

[median furnace]

Is lemonade joe part of the isle lore??

[carmine marsh]

how in gods name is this gif still going

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona3-the-dark-hour-dark-hour-gif-18863888

[carmine marsh]

AHHHHH

tartarsauce on my tartarus steak.
my favourite meal.

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-cat-grumpy-cat-angry-upset-gif-3354658

[low scarab]

lol

[mystic wedge]

Code omni has now been activated

Estimating dmr explosion time

[acoustic osprey]

welp
The link is down now

Now to hope it releases at 3pm or not

[median furnace]

works for me

[acoustic osprey]

oh really? That is good

[low scarab]

what does "omnisaur" reffer to in the music

im guessing it just mean any dinosaur

not anything in particular

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe a mistranslation of omiraptor? It is quite intriguing

[low scarab]

im guessing the tone of the song might reveal somethign

i like the idea its just an anonymous monster of some kind

[lone hill]

Yummers

[pseudo lantern]

i mean if you take it by meaning.. omni means every or all, saur refers to the dinosaurs/lizar in the isle
something that represents all dinosaurs
what takes the shape of different dinosaurs as it grows?

[muted reef]

I can't listen to it yet

[pseudo lantern]

and would that name make sense for this mysterious creature?
think
somebody observes it over a period of time, notices it changing shape and mimicking those it lives with. "hm. this thing takes the shape of everything else. i shall call it.. the omnisaur!"

[muted reef]

I'd have to pay

[muted reef]

Matriarch...

I can listen to it in 3 hours

[pseudo lantern]

thanks!

[muted reef]

I'm hyped as hell I hope they pull an out with the old in with the new

Completely delete everything else that's old (maybe keep the gems) and bring all the new stuff

[muted reef]

Oh my god why is legacy music so awesome

Playing legacy and I immediately get thrown into the atmosphere the devs wanted when I hear the music

Different tracks suited for each time of day like in legacy would be nice

Or certain areas

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
The track list has three
For three different times of the day

I wonder if they're homages to those tracks

[muted reef]

I'd love it

[acoustic osprey]

This is missing some songs
Woops

There you go

[hexed forge]

What is an Omnisaur...

I assume it means omnivore..

Or it just might be the name used to name a mutual ambience between all dinosaurs.

Probably the latter yea

It makes sense

Lineage displacement.. hm..

This would be worth some lore discussion when it releases.

[lethal moat]

Is omnisaur just, generic dinosaur

Yis

[hexed forge]

Probably

[fast forge]

Almost feels like it's been translated

Like "Safe Zone" could just be a sanctuary

And that might make Omnisaur => Omniraptor make a bit more sense

[hexed forge]

It doesnt

Why would Omniraptor have a special soundtrack..
That seems weird.

If you read the actual titles with Omnisaur in it, it makes much more sense for it to just be referring to generic dinosaur

[fast forge]

Well, Omni means "All"

[lethal moat]

All dinosaurs

[fast forge]

Omniraptor seems to be a composite or "average" raptor, an amalgam of all the other similar-sized raptors

But we only know one animal that's a mix of everything...

Could it be a name for the Matriarch?

[lethal moat]

I wanna listen

Maybe that'll give a hint

[hexed forge]

Yes exactly

[acoustic osprey]

Inclusive dinosaur pronoun

[fast forge]

Matriarch rebrand?

[acoustic osprey]

Likely referring to the general life of the generic dinosaur

[lethal moat]

That's my assumption

[fast forge]

I want to believe

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[fast forge]

There's a word for that

It's "dinosaur"

"The Dinosaur Grows"
"The Dinosaur Hatches"
"The Dinosaur Hunts"

[hexed forge]

Doesn't include pteras and deinos

[fast forge]

also, herbivores aren't going to hunt, and they already named a previous track "The Carnivore"
Why not "The Carnivore Hunts"?

I'm not saying Omnisaur can't be an [insert dino here]

But I also like the idea that it's a specific type of animal, or an individual animal

And it would fit the matriarch

[hexed forge]

When it ties into gameplay

The hunt soundtrack might turn on in scenarios where you get the first hit and aren't damaged.

Those scenarios include herbivores if we speak in gameplay

[fast forge]

Fair point

[hexed forge]

Aggro pachy gameplay

[fast forge]

But this is #isle-lore-theories , I gotta also mention the crazy thought too

[acoustic osprey]

Potentially

[fast forge]

Yeah "The Archosaur Hunts" doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well

[hexed forge]

So that's why we shall use Omnisaur

https://tenor.com/view/there-you-have-it-boys-case-closed-the-simpsons-gif-13616870

[fast forge]

Nah nah nah nah nah

Nothing is confirmed

My theory still has 1% chance

[hexed forge]

0.01% maybe...

But yeah

[fast forge]

Well I'm going to cling to that like a drowning sailor in a storm

[hexed forge]

yay

[fast forge]

On the topic of the Matriarch, do we have any idea how the name ties into the creature?

So it's female, and the head of a group?

Perhaps a motherly association too?

[lethal moat]

I like to think it's the start of a family, or a series of creatures that all result from one

[fast forge]

tapwing's art for matriarch, that's 0% confirmed right?

Like none of it is canon?

[pseudo lantern]

My two theories are just

1. It's just any animal being replicated, i.e including pterosaurs, crocodilians and other reptiles such as Megalania
2. It refers to the Matriarch, as it takes the form of other animals

[acoustic osprey]

it had children in legacy

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[fast forge]

yeah we kinda ended up with those ideas as well

[pseudo lantern]

I.. went there first

[fast forge]

What if it is the "mother" of the animals on the island?

[lethal moat]

Correct

[fast forge]

A living genetic databank?

idk just spitballing here

[pseudo lantern]

Doesn't seem likely.. since it looks like it would be taking genetics from others and incorporating it in its own genome, like a giant evil version of CRISPR-Cas9

though what it looks like isn't exactly canon so
think!

[fast forge]

that's just tapwing's art

that's why I asked if it's canon

[acoustic osprey]

we know this bit is canon though

taking genetics from others and incorporating it in its own genome

[fast forge]

it is not (at least not confirmed)

[pseudo lantern]

[acoustic osprey]

as per talked about from Don a year back now

[fast forge]

that's fair

[hexed forge]

Erm...

[storm condor]

Also, wouldn't include Megalania

[fast forge]

true

[median furnace]

we dunno

i like to think of her that shes some kind of pre strain, as in strain development started from her

and strains being her offspring of sorts

or maybe shes one of the early dino creation experiments, all of the shape form and stuff being still broken etc

[dawn veldt]

What strain

Like tisloplastic

[lethal moat]

We know she's related to tissoplastic research

[acoustic osprey]

^

[tacit loom]

you have to pay for it?

nvm its on spotify 🔥

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

Lets discuss how the replicator is likely highly experimental, prone to failure, and not at all safe

[median furnace]

isnt that kinda a given

[pseudo lantern]

or maybe.. a gibbon 🐒

[median furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

what if we did this to x

troodon my beloved

[lethal moat]

Yeah, but the replicator is widely used regardless
Exactly how long has the replicator been in use, or rather, what parts do what and how long has each of those been used

[median furnace]

i think machine learning was used from the start, it got feedback from scientists and likely improved with each version with the products being more refined but still prone to failure

[ornate comet]

The isle codex thing

I uh, I don’t know how to use Spotify, let alone on mobile

Why does it keep giving me random unrelated songs

[acoustic osprey]

not on youtube sadly

[acoustic osprey]

free spotify is stinky

[acoustic osprey]

I'll try to get the mp3s of them for ease if you want

[ornate comet]

: 0

[hushed sun]

yo guys so whats the current theorie about the isle. can somone tell me the story

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717080687932604456/1258108922259177604/rollingcat.gif

a bit hard to sum up a story

Besides, very simply (very)
Bio-engineering company, started in botany and went into food (and somehow then with Dinosaurs, but not made into food)
They also have a machine system called "The Replicator" which creates dinosaurs, and contains "The TOMB" (which stores/holds/uses human minds)
Something might have happened to them, due to the broken and abandoned interior of Gateway
But why? How? When? Who knows...

but if you want to learn the nitbits?
I would always recommend this document by Rumple in the pinned messages
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[median furnace]

Hi

lossless quality for all your listening needs

my most fav track from codex1

[hexed forge]

Yay

[tacit loom]

Are they using taxpayer dollars

[brazen cradle]

PLEASE GIVE ME THE NEW THOUSAND LIFE CONTRACT

[brazen cradle]

Are welcome to the Isle and TLC also remastered?

[median furnace]

welcome to the isle got renamed to ´´The Island Suite´´, old tyrannic got renamed to Welcome To The Isle, its kinda confusing, but it seems all tracks got a few touch ups and are in full quality unlike the goddamn youtube uploads we had up until now

no wait

im an idjit

The old main theme is new ´´welcome to the isle´´

tyrannic is gone

we got the new tyrannic presence tracks which have the sort of feel

[brazen cradle]

That is not tyranic 😭

[median furnace]

read more, i know

[icy onyx]

Does anyone know the password for the triassic survival server?

[median furnace]

no and wrong channel mate

[brazen cradle]

Is "Track 2" in Codex 1?

[median furnace]

but if you connect the dots it propably has alot of rules, and servers like that require you to send an application and the admins will decide if ur fit to be a isle roleplayer

[median furnace]

uhhh? guh? do you have a common name for that?

wait is it one of dmitriis tracks?

[brazen cradle]

No

[median furnace]

is it from the youtube playlist right under hope theme?

[brazen cradle]

But it was a song used all the time in Dondi's old streams

[brazen cradle]

Yeah.

[patent ginkgo]

Nope

[median furnace]

yeah no dmitrii tracks in codex1

deino theme is propably composed by dmitrii too sadly

codex2 maybe??

[brazen cradle]

🤷‍♂️

Sad OG Tyranic isn't back

I am happy that they brought back OG AOG, TLC and WTTI

[median furnace]

isnt it tyrannic 😔

[brazen cradle]

Nope, was written with a single n

[median furnace]

btw i sent all lossless wavs to isaac and he will propably upload it all somewhere when he wakes up

[brazen cradle]

Dw

I decided F It and just got premium for this month exclusively

😭

[median furnace]

calmest reaction to isle ost

[median furnace]

thought it would be derived from tyrannosaurus, new tyrannic themes also have 2 nn´s

[brazen cradle]

Am I the only one who thinks Migration sounds kinda like Avengers 😭

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-at-you-lebron-james-goat-lakers-starting-5-gif-11571230636215755647

youre alone in this one vro

[median furnace]

yeah...

[hexed forge]

Tension Exploration Tracks are sick

Would be great in the deep levels of GUTS

Hallucinations...

[brazen cradle]

The Omnisaur 😭

[hexed forge]

Generic naming for a creature in The Isle

[fast forge]

you think

[brazen cradle]

Was that confirmed or smth

[fast forge]

not at all

cerato is just confident in his opinion

[hexed forge]

Its most likely..

Theres extremely likely theories, Likely theories, 50/50, unlikely, extremely unlikely.

This one is extremely likely...

[fast forge]

according to your opinion

[hexed forge]

I have my reasons... and disproved yours...

[fast forge]

disproved?

lol

[hexed forge]

Yeah nothing exactly ties to the Matriarch from that name...

[fast forge]

you're gonna mislead people if you keep stating your opinion as fact, that's all I'm saying

[hexed forge]

I don't see how it would when there is a clearly more understandable and likely explanation right in front

[plush widget]

which is?

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanye-ye-shrug-meme-gif-5673972712848832740

[lethal moat]

I’m leaning towards “generic dinosaur theme” but really don’t have any evidence

[hexed forge]

Generic Naming for an isle creature that you play as, either that is Carnivore, herbivore, omnivore.

It makes sense the most.

Specifically how the tracks will queue into gameplay lol

[fast forge]

Still not confirmed, don't treat it like it is

[plush widget]

its most likely going to be that tho

[hexed forge]

Sorry Im not going to lean towards the Matriarch idea that is built up purely on copium because "MATRIARCH COOOOOLLLL"

[plush widget]

what would your explanation be tiny?

[fast forge]

I'm not even pushing for the matriarch idea here

You would give me pushback if I stated that Gen 1 are a type of human, despite being under the human tab in game

So I say "I think Gen 1 are human", qualifying it

When you state things as fact, you can mislead

Just throw "we think" at the beginning of the statement and I've got no problem with it

I really don't care how sure you are in your position, just don't treat it like it's confirmed

[hexed forge]

But its extremely likely- (Not referring to the whole human topic)

It is literally REALLY obvious on what it's referring to by "Omnisaur"

Omni means All, similar to how Omniraptor means "All Raptor, AKA, taking the core idea of what a dromaeosaurid looks like and mixing it all to get...." Omniraptor.

Omnisaur.

All Lizard.

I understand how you could come to the Matriarch conclusion, that being, The Matriarch can literally turn into every other creature in its own form.

But then why the hell would we have several MATRIARCH Soundtracks while literally having no mention of it in lore. We literally dont even know what it is in Evrima besides that it exists and something else I forgot the detail of

I think I am going to refer to it as pretty much confirmed via just breaking it down since it's really obvious...

But hey, prove me wrong, I would stand corrected if Don comes in here and tells me how wrong I am. I won't feel hurt. Maybe I'll learn next time that I should be more careful and have an open mind. But this is one of the cases where it is just extremely obvious...

[fast forge]

I'm just saying, speak with qualifying remarks

I have no problems with assuming that yours is the most likely explanation (I even conceded that it was), but when you speak in absolutes you leave room for error and misunderstanding

[fast forge]

This, again

[fast forge]

I'll also point to this - he really wasn't sure, but fortunately he's been in this community long enough to know to ask

[hexed forge]

I disagree,

Treating REALLY obvious things as potentially incorrect, would cause more confusion than just saying that, "yeah, this is pretty much it".

This is a really easy and core concept(The Concept being Omnisaur). It's very confusing on the new beginners to just throw several ideas at them about a pretty straightforward concept. They aren't able to grasp it. Do you how difficult that must be to be confused about just the top tip of the iceberg? They will just give up if they aren't able to grasp even the most simple ideas.

If I was discussing this with more experienced lore folks, such as you or Isaac, I would've probably used a qualifying remark.

But for new beginners such as Jayce.... yeah.

Let them grasp some easy concepts so they can actually hold onto the idea of wanting to explore the lore before pulling them into the depths of theories.

[fast forge]

I'm literally just advocating for saying "We think" before making any definitive statement. That seems really simple to me

[hexed forge]

You didn't read what I said...

[fast forge]

I did read what you said

You said it's confusing for new lore people to have multiple ideas thrown at them

But that's not what I'm saying

I'm saying that you should just say "we think" or "I think" before such statements

You don't have to present every theory in addition to the prominent one

Just add two words to show that it's not definite

And I'd argue new people are the most important group to be precise with, because they will trust that what we are saying is fact. A lore regular knows enough to push back

[hexed forge]

If I am going to be 100% honest.

In this situation, it was the fact that I wanted to push onto a precise, and most likely accurate, idea on the topic of "Omnisaur" so they can quickly understand it. Before some others such as you start pushing some more risky and unlikely theories, pushing them down into a depth of more concepts that I dont think they could grasp quickly. "What's the Matriarch?" "Whattttttttt" "How does it do that!?!?!" "Can I see pictures" "Playable or no?"(Most people's reaction after seeing a cool creature canon to the lore)

[hexed forge]

Yes exactly, and pushing unlikely theories towards new people rather than a straightforward and likely one isn't exactly precise and helpful at all.

[fast forge]

I never pushed unlikely theories to new people

[hexed forge]

Im just saying it in general..

[fast forge]

Okay but that's not what was happening

[fast forge]

this, again

[hexed forge]

But that would've happened.. if already didnt..

[fast forge]

no, it wouldn't, I wasn't doing that at all

[icy onyx]

🍿

[fast forge]

I have no problems with assuming that yours is the most likely explanation (I even conceded that it was), but when you speak in absolutes you leave room for error and misunderstanding

Did you read what I said?

[hexed forge]

The fact that you were trying to make the straightforward idea sound inaccurate and wrong was already a start...

[plush widget]

tiny is your job centered around genetic engineering

[fast forge]

that's not what was happening

[fast forge]

I work with genetically engineered animals, yes

it's not centered around it

[icy onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935989994735169546/1190253637390315560/togif-2-1.gif

[hexed forge]

I aswell disagreed with your "misleading" point.

Because it wasn't.

But yeah I think its time to end this discussion

[plush widget]

could you go a bit more in depth about it, if you want to of course

[hexed forge]

Genetic engineering yayayyaa

[plush widget]

im really interested in that type of stuff

[fast forge]

I didn't mislead anyone
I didn't even say anything about the matriarch
I just said your theory wasn't 100%

[fast forge]

I can't actually say much about my job

[icy onyx]

tiny works for apollo frfr

[fast forge]

Biotech company secrets and all

[icy onyx]

bro knows secrets about gen 1s

[plush widget]

Thats what im tryna figure out lol

[fast forge]

I can answer questions about general stuff, but can't really talk specifics about what my company does

[plush widget]

could we get the name of the company?

[fast forge]

I work with lab mice as a Lab Animal Technician

[fast forge]

nope

we do medical research and manufacturing

[plush widget]

alright

coool

[hexed forge]

Off-topic but The Island Suite Track seems off

Theres a few tracks in here that I would say wouldnt fit into gameplay.

And more as in main menu music

But.. we dont know how the main menu would look like with the UI overhaul.. because then Idk where it would go..

[plush widget]

i defo wanna do something with biology as a job

just dont know what currently

[hexed forge]

Same

[plush widget]

what are you thinking lil bro

[fast forge]

job markets are bad in the US, and will only get worse with the current administration

do with that what you will

[plush widget]

job markets are even worse in greece

[fast forge]

I meant within biology fields, but yeah

[plush nest]

are they good anywhere

[plush widget]

i might aswell go live in Thailand forever and just enjoy the scenery lol

[hexed forge]

Isn't it like, really easy to get into Thailand

Like they practically let anyone in.

[ornate comet]

omnisaur is an interesting name, in my opinion I think its what the species are called since they arent really dinosaurs.

saw you guys talking about that a bit above but I didnt feel like reading it all lol

[hexed forge]

Oh I didnt consider this

[patent ginkgo]

I think it’s either that or just a different way to refer to all the animals

[hexed forge]

I stopped at the fact that Omnisaur is just not correlated to the lore at all

But it being connected to the lore definitely makes sense I guess

[patent ginkgo]

Botany could get you into more available related fields

[hexed forge]

Definitely agree with the latter.

@acoustic osprey Maybe its worthy of being put on the lore document IF the titles actually have a lore correlation.

[plush widget]

ive actually grown pretty fond of plants in the past few months

they are not as interesting as animals to me but you are definitely right

[patent ginkgo]

You could say they’ve grown on you

[plush widget]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-grin-grins-smiling-gif-13132136

[ornate comet]

i plan on having a native garden one day

[plush widget]

im thinking about planting a banana tree on my garden these days

[ornate comet]

flood it with native wildflowers and stuff

the lineage displacement track, any guesses on what its for? To me it sounds like it would play in like an end game area, but this isnt the right type of game for that

[hushed cave]

Replicator?

It kind of gives off breathing vibes

[patent ginkgo]

I was really surprised about how intense it is

To me it suggests a much more violent event than what I had previously envisioned

[hexed forge]

I think it would play in a restricted area that you aren't supposed to see.

For example Tartarus.

[ornate comet]

hypsi vs hyper rex dark souls style boss batlle music confirmed

[hexed forge]

Hear me out,

They don't have an off/on switch for an EIP. (Maybe/Probably?), so once you enter a restricted area such as Tartarus an alarm goes off. And something starts chasing you and you must get out or hide

[hexed forge]

Exactly what I was thinking

Maybe you alert something down there..

Matriarch...

A good opportunity for an event lol

[ornate comet]

now would there be amazing loot down there to be worth it for humans

[hexed forge]

If you are lucky enough to find Tartarus and somehow get in, you basically enter a bossfight for your life LOL.

[hexed forge]

Hyper gun trust

[ornate comet]

https://youtu.be/gY1GVXZuhUc?si=mAMkPU_81EkVkcPh still holding out for this track to come back one day🫡

the slow rising voice at 1:57 is the best thing in this

like this whole track would be cool for maybe some areas of guts or other things. Maybe like caves

[median furnace]

i agree with cerato

[median furnace]

the omnisaur lags off a cliff and dies

[icy onyx]

The omnisaur hunts

[mystic wedge]

Examine the bacterial biome on the mcdonalds cashiers counter dawg 😭 (i will have the same fate)

[icy onyx]

La la la lava
ch ch ch chicken

[hexed forge]

Si

[hexed forge]

The Omnisaur gets flung by a hacker

[fast forge]

that's fine, that's not what the conversation was about

[median furnace]

Time for tartarsauce

[low scarab]

lol

[low scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929072541966958713/1278138983661965377/caption.gif

[acoustic osprey]

we might get a codex of Patrick stuff
but not now, this codex only has Anthony stuff

[acoustic osprey]

this one was only at human bases iirc

[acoustic osprey]

it was

not to bring up the argument again
but
rereading it

you answered Jayce's question as if you knew the answer, 100%

[hexed forge]

That was intentional yes.

I disagreed with the fact that it's misleading to give the most obvious and most likely answer to what "Omnisaur" means. Especially since this isn't a deep and wild concept..

[acoustic osprey]

what is (seemingly) 'most obvious'
does not mean you should address it as fact

especially since it can't be almost half of all isle creatures
as Herbis 'don't hunt'

[hexed forge]

I don't like to do that when explaining beginner stuff to new people... it's easier for them and me.

[acoustic osprey]

and the original names of the tracks weren't related

[hexed forge]

I already provided an explanation for this

[acoustic osprey]

better to mislead with unreliable 'truths'?

[hexed forge]

.

Similar to how the battle music starts when you bite something I guess..

[acoustic osprey]

how though

how is 'hunts' when it is being attacked

that is a strawman (or another fallacy), Cerato

[hexed forge]

"The hunt soundtrack might turn on in scenarios where you get the first hit and aren't damaged. "

Not YOU getting hit, its when YOU hit something.

[acoustic osprey]

why would a herbivore be hunting

why not name it 'the omnisaur attacks'

[hexed forge]

You know how people are.

[hexed forge]

Because that only limits it to only a few species.

[acoustic osprey]

but that isn't what 'generic/general' creatures would do

[acoustic osprey]

only a few species attack now?

[hexed forge]

"Omnivore"

[acoustic osprey]

attack is WAY more generic
because then it addresses every creature

[hexed forge]

That only limits it to a few species in game

[acoustic osprey]

do you not know what attack means?

i think you think 'hunt -> attack'
and 'attack -> hunt'

[hexed forge]

If you are naming a soundtrack.

"Attack" is wayyy too generic, especially in a survival game, Hunt would be more appropriate.

[acoustic osprey]

why is it too generic?

when 'omnisaur' is also generic as well

[hexed forge]

Because it doesn't sound as well as "Omnisaur Hunt"

"Rex Hunted"

"Humans hunted"

[acoustic osprey]

The Omnisaur Attacks does't sound well?

[hexed forge]

Maybe generic isn't the right word.... more like.. "stale..."

[hexed forge]

No lol

[acoustic osprey]

or are you just trying to justify putting a fallacy into what 'hunt' means for a Herbi

[hexed forge]

What

[acoustic osprey]

^

[hexed forge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401480573471948821/1357838214857101463

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
please read what i said

[acoustic osprey]

then read this

[hexed forge]

I never said it is being attacked.

Please read what I said..

I said it would be attacking. To trigger a hunt track

[hexed forge]

I think you misunderstood

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-cat-ai-cat-beer-mage-cat-gif-12868949205036685497

[acoustic osprey]

Oh my boy Cerato

[hexed forge]

what..

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1205258485445431387/IMG_1332.gif

[brazen cradle]

What makes you think that?

[brazen cradle]

Patrick's would be much smaller though, righr?

[acoustic osprey]

kinda
but he made a few tracks still

(or they could make a two person codex with Dmitrii and Patrick's stuff)

[brazen cradle]

Dimitri made hope, right?

[acoustic osprey]

yea

a few of the Evrima trailers as well

[brazen cradle]

What did Patrick make aside from Tyranic?

[hexed forge]

Linking the end of the Omnisaur conversation that continued into Lorecord through voice messages...

@fast forge I apologize if I was rude in the previous conversation we had. I was wrong to say its 100% definite.

(As Isaac pointed out there is some opinioned bias yes)

[acoustic osprey]

he's made a 'few' things
I remember him coming in a few months ago and showing a track or two

he had a few
but mostly all 2015-2016 stuff

[fast forge]

no worries, things can get passionate and I recently had a similar experience myself, so I understand

[acoustic osprey]

it is ok
I also forgive you

[storm condor]

Hey so question

Why is “Omnisaur is generic dinosaur” and “Hunt doesn’t apply to herbivores” treated as mutually exclusive?

Even if Omnisaur refers to all of the creatures, surely it isn’t a stretch to have a few tracks that aren’t applicable to every single species still fall under a general label?

[acoustic osprey]

(then why is it 'generic dinosaur' then, if it cannot be applied generically?)

[storm condor]

Omnisaur can, hunting depending on your definition cannot

Like if there were a track for being in wetlands or near water called “The Omnisaur swims” for example

Anky can’t swim

[acoustic osprey]

but there isn't a track like that

[storm condor]

There isn’t, but it is an example

Because Hunt applies not only to carnivores, but omnivores as well

[acoustic osprey]

but not herbis

[storm condor]

So calling it “The Carnivore” hunts wouldn’t fit either

[acoustic osprey]

so either you make it the omnisaur attacks/fights
or The Omnisaur (noting the definitive article) is a specific creature itself
or a mistranslation of Omniraptor (especially seeing as the tracks weren't called that)

[storm condor]

So unless you name the track “The Omnivore or Carnivore Hunts” you’re not going to be fully inclusive

Because Omnivore doesn’t include Carnivores

And as was mentioned early, Herbivores do not hunt by the strictest definition

[acoustic osprey]

i didn't mean to put omnivore, apologises

[storm condor]

But I, as a player, can definitely take my Tenonto hunting

So it’s not exactly inaccurate for unnatural animals to have unnatural behaviors

[acoustic osprey]

are we then, in the tracks, taking consideration of player behaviour
or lore/pseudo/semi-tied-lore

[acoustic osprey]

yet we never see of such in Evrima lore

[storm condor]

So an herbivorous “Omnisaur” could be said to hunt if you take it to mean hunting including trophy hunting

[storm condor]

Do we not, with the mention of the aberrant Gallimimus?

“The feathered ones didn’t do this”

[acoustic osprey]

fair
but it becomes an omnivore in-game due to such behaviour

[storm condor]

True, but we’ve then got to look at Avaceratops

Which is not a confirmed Omnivore

Despite the princess memes

[acoustic osprey]

does it have a dossier? cannot remember what was said

[storm condor]

It does not, it only has concept art of it possibly consuming hatchling Omniraptors, which has been purposefully left vague repeatedly

There’s also the in-game Psittacosaurus who carry corpses, despite not eating them

[acoustic osprey]

(would that not make it an omnivore though? if so)

[storm condor]

It would not unless it can consume the corpses

Because the other option is mauling and dismemberment without consumption

Similar to what Triceratops is shown to do to the Omniraptor in its concept art actually

[hexed forge]

Maiasaura

[acoustic osprey]

still though
the problem is

the 'omnisaur' would, semantically, mean the 'all dinosaur' so "generic dinosaur" (?)
do most herbis do so?
From what it sounds like, either they're just made into a herbivore or they do something which (although isn't hunting, as you said with taco) isn't hunting but similar in the modality of the matter

[storm condor]

It would mean all lizard technically

Which does include Megalania, who is not even an archosaur

[acoustic osprey]

yes, sorry
I am in a lesson so i'm generally saying said words

[acoustic osprey]

but for both, is it just defence? or would it mean deemed unnecessary to kill like in their artworks?

[storm condor]

I don’t know the context of the track, but I don’t think that hunting, if interpreted as the deliberate pursuit and killing of another animal, is something outside the rhelm of possibility for Omnisaurs-as-general-animals

[acoustic osprey]

it is a more oddly specific word than something like attacks/fights
which would far better fit the 'general' idea via the name

[storm condor]

There’s also the matter of the following: Is it hunting if you don’t consume the corpse?

Because the track would need to distinguish between intraspecific combat for non-cannibals if so

I.e Omniraptor cannot consume its own species without mutation

So if the track plays when Carnivores hunt, what happens when an Omniraptor attacks another Omniraptor?

[acoustic osprey]

I'd just take it being the general meaning of the word
being pursue (and, if successful) kill

[storm condor]

If that is the case, then I’d argue herbivores are more than capable of such behavior, both in lore and in game

[acoustic osprey]

but i doubt this'll be dynamic
dynamic tracks are hard to make in a multiplayer setting

[acoustic osprey]

i do not agree, in my opinion
I do not agree that herbis are often capabale of pursing for kill
rather than defending (and killing)

[hexed forge]

Idk
Im just watching the conversation.

I still think that the way the "Omnisaur Hunts" track is queued into gameplay is via You attack x creature and x creature runs away/doesnt fight back(You dont take damage

Which could be implemented this way for herbivores... but also... what if there is no lore correlation. And its all just some fancy words for the titles of the tracks just for simplicity sake when implementing them into the game.

[acoustic osprey]

insert combat music

[hexed forge]

NOOOOO

[storm condor]

If a Pachy fractures and Omniraptor and pursues it as it tries to flee, killing it later, is that defence, or pursuit with intent to kill?

[acoustic osprey]

in lore? All we've seen of Pachy's is killing/BADLY hurting when you're in its terriority/vicinity

[storm condor]

Because as a herbi player, I consider it hunting the moment I am presented a chance to disengage and choose to kill my opponent rather than retreat

[acoustic osprey]

i do not count (in evrima, legacy is different) typical player interaction as lore

especially as this codex has a few lore specific words

[storm condor]

True, but in lore, we also have evidence of herbivores going on the offensive where it very well may not be required. I.e Triceratops mauling that one Omniraptor while the rest of the pack has scrambled out of reach

[hexed forge]

But concept arts aren't lore correlated

[acoustic osprey]

(or is it trying to kill to defend itself?)

a dead omni is an omni you don't have to worry about
would you call that hunting then?

especially since there is no context of that bit of the dossier/art

[fast forge]

Lots of herbivores will kill predators preemptively, or just any time they encounter them

[hexed forge]

Wait are concept arts lore correlated-?

[storm condor]

Sure, but work that forward and any herbivore acting aggressively is now defence and herbivores are incapable of anything else

[fast forge]

But I wouldn't call that a "hunt"

[acoustic osprey]

just for reference

[acoustic osprey]

hence why why not call it 'fights' or 'attacks'?

[storm condor]

I would call it a hunt if the pursuit and killing wasn’t crucial to deescalation of the encounter

[acoustic osprey]

it is just an odd word to put there if it is supposed to encompass the generic dinosaur

[storm condor]

On that point, I’d argue semantics, but it’s also heavily dependent on your definition of hunt

[fast forge]

I do think this is a valid point, that the tracks are probably meant to sync up with what happens in gameplay

[storm condor]

Again, even looking at the narrowest definition of Omnisaur = Omniraptor, what plays when two Omniraptors fight?

[acoustic osprey]

of course it is semantics
but you don't look at an elephant and say it is hunting, when it kills a man next to it

[storm condor]

Because if the track is for Omniraptor hunting, it can hunt another Omniraptor but likely won’t consume them due to requiring a mutation

[storm condor]

Depends. We know elephants are capable of distinguishing different humans and iirc there’s evidence of seemingly premeditated aggression

[fast forge]

I still think it's possible there's a translation thing going on here

[acoustic osprey]

if only the album synced up...

[storm condor]

I would say it hunted someone if it pursued them for a period of time and attacked when not forced to defend itself violently

[storm condor]

Because if we count preemptively killing as self-defense then is “Hunts” restricted to consumption?

If it is then at minimum it applies to all Omnivores and Carnivores, barring same-species predation for non-cannibals

[acoustic osprey]

i think best refer to oxford if you want
would you count it as 'for sport'? (of course, rather than for food)