isle-lore-theories

[weak finch]

nice lore thx

[hexed forge]

yup

[compact hazel]

Oh so the playable dinosaurs are human consciousness injected into them again?

[hexed forge]

Yes

[compact hazel]

Gang

For pharmaceutical reasons or there are something else?

[knotty locust]

could be seen as a reward for loyalty to the company

you get pseudo-immortality without having to live through the stresses of regular human life, all you have to do is sign the contract and do what they want you to do

[compact hazel]

"As our most competent head of logistic in the past 7 years, we grant you a reward to be reborn as prehistoric gator, known to have low percentage infant survival and canibalistic behavior"
"Splendid"

[median shuttle]

I don't think getting your consciousness injected into a dinosaur is a reward, sounds more like a punishment to me

[rich blaze]

are the human consciousness stuck to the dinosaur body forever or can they return to a human body?

[knotty locust]

we dont know

[knotty locust]

thats why i said "could be seen"

its subjective on whether its torment or a reward

[hallow ruin]

neurotonic strain plant being some alient like thing or electric related

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-gif-26618962

[lethal moat]

Depends

[knotty locust]

old mate hits me with the “depends” and then doesn’t elaborate

[zealous void]

Not just strains? What else is there?

[lethal moat]

I had class

We don’t know what the Thousand Life Contract is, nor the selection process is, but I imagine it would be rigorous and secretive

[buoyant cobalt]

Hmm yeah maybe if raised from a baby

[valid geyser]

What interesting isle lore

<@&933486433342222376>

[fast forge]

Are omnis made as weapons, like gen 1?

[lethal moat]

Good question, my immediate thought is no, maybe it was an earlier attempt at creating original creatures, like the precursor to gen 1’s creation, but with dinosaurs

[hexed forge]

We dont know what the precursor to Gen1 are tho

[fast forge]

I could see omnis being a step in the process toward making gen 1
Perhaps they had EIP's figured out, and then asked the question "what body can we put soldiers in?"
A tough dromaeosaur seems like a good option
But then you put people into them and they aren't as great as they seem initially
They struggle to move around efficiently in human spaces, or access things that a human soldier can access
So you then make an animal with the killing power of an omni, but the versatility of a human
The Gen 1

[lethal moat]

It’s just a theory

[lethal moat]

That was my train of thought as well

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

I dont think Omnis have much lore correlation to gen1s

[lethal moat]

I think it was like a practice run
“Can we make a completely original animal using the bases of other animals”

[acoustic osprey]

as in
Strains aren't locked to just carnis, sorry

[zealous void]

Oh I see, have there been official mentions of herbi strains?

[acoustic osprey]

besides Don saying what i just said
nothing else

[zealous void]

Ah

[acoustic osprey]

<@&933486433342222376>

[acoustic osprey]

seemingly so, yes

just how does it work with nested creatures though? we don't know

[spiral elbow]

a horrifying concept. I love it

[hexed forge]

Im guessing that nested creatures are just normal creatures.
And in order to inject an EIP into it you would need to capture the specimen and go through the entire EIP process. (Maybe you cant even do that?)

[acoustic osprey]

then how do we play as them

I'd doubt, though, that we'd need a human to inject the EIP
it just feels a bit weird and tedious

also 'requires' a third party that can't communicate with you to help with a mechanic that already is 'ok' at best

in a dream in the perfect world, it would be sick though. I can imagine it being really cool.
but
sadly we live in a society

[hexed forge]

My thought is that gameplay not = lore 1:1

[acoustic osprey]

saying that
happened to pass over this quote

will be cool to see a more 'efforted' (right word) for a holiday-esque event

[acoustic osprey]

if the isle was run by another person, sure
so i like to think the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
but don't forget, this was exactly Legacy's philosophy

[hexed forge]

Didnt Don literally say sometime ago that gameplay wont translate to lore 1:1?

For example whatever the heck is going on with Apex's being moved to unofficials only, the "No island with everything on it" quote (I massively shortened the quote but you get the reference)

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[acoustic osprey]

(however, that might not be the case)

There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story. It does not exist. It has not happened. If it does happen, I've certainly have no written it yet
So you may get a game that has all of that, there is no melting pot of AE's ideas where all of them get shoved into the same thing
So while the gameplay is being supported, it's not just 'oh hey here's an island, it has all of these things on it' it doesn't work like that.

No. The game is not 'non-canonical', it's more so you're gonna get a lens to see various chunks of islands and stories that get told

[spiral elbow]

I love the kind of stories where we get windows into different chunks and backgrounds and have to piece together the meaning and gravity of what happened/is happening in the broader scope

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/over-the-hedge-rj-raccoon-it-is-the-gateway-to-the-good-life-vecinos-invasores-gif-21982859

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-gif-7496081

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of apexes just in unofficials

[serene hare]

Any new lore in the isle evrima

[acoustic osprey]

from the last time you were here? Sadly no
slower paced start to the year

[serene hare]

Aww poo

[hexed forge]

I am hoping for some UI stuff in the devblog that is in a few days.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/xing-xingxing-xing-xing-ice-cream-animal-ice-cream-gif-16253726535243620653

it would be nice

[limber frigate]

Holy UI lore

[hexed forge]

That Ice Cream is the UI lore

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[hollow marten]

Are the type H dinos bio weapons or just a freak evolution?

[acoustic osprey]

neither most likely
although, they probably could be used as bio-weapons of sorts
but they are related to/linked with medicine (however, that is not their 'main goal')

what is their main goal? [with strains]

we don't really know, yet.

[muted reef]

I am hoping for anything UI because I need it over the legacy copy

[hexed forge]

I prefer not

<@&933486433342222376>

Thanks

[hot tulip]

Honestly
This kind of thing would go hard
Just connect myself to whatever machine they use, and depending on how it works

Either have a little vacation as a crocodile or something for a while
Or if it's permanent , then do it towards the end of my life 🤷‍♂️

Like excluding dinosaurs completely if something like that was possible

[lethal moat]

There’s an end?

https://tenor.com/view/the-stanley-parable-game-the-end-is-never-the-end-loop-ultra-deluxe-gif-23996323

[native vault]

maybe its people who tried to use dino dna to get eternal life but in return turned themselfs into dinos 🤷‍♂️

[knotty locust]

nah, I don’t think it involved dna of any kind, it’s just straight up implanting YOUR consciousness, your very personality, into a different vessel

a blank slate creature is given your mind and then “you” continue your life

[native vault]

Ah

[kindred bobcat]

the gateway to ebrima

[acoustic osprey]

of course

[acoustic osprey]

legacy character menu...

affinity system would've quite likely been a literally 'changing the DNA of your EIP so you can better adjust to new/different environments (i.e. being in a new body)

i think it is something though we often don't assume/think of when thinking about EIP consciousness
the ability to change how an EIP deals with things

of course, does this cross any ethical boundaries?
You are still literally being put into a completely different body with a COMPLETELY different brain chemistry

so... is it that much different?

but, that is also assuming we knew how affinity was going to work
besides that DNA icons in legacy

[hexed forge]

What was the affinity system?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/did-you-read-it-callie-hernandez-nellie-o-brian-did-you-see-it-read-gif-16224358

[hexed forge]

Skimmed it

[acoustic osprey]

wow thanks

let me finish my game of cs
then i can go on it more

[hexed forge]

Im in a rivals match anyway, take your time.

[acoustic osprey]

wow

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/xinging-xinging-monkey-monkey-monkey-speech-xinging-speech-bubble-gif-17417339258175886022

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of the game, going off my memory here so i might be wrong, but affinity was basically how you'd interact with the world as a dinosaur but also as a profile

https://gyazo.com/203bfb5b4f247e32ae054c766694c003
https://gyazo.com/85debb87ad64fda12f790aaca341f4b3

[hexed forge]

Keeping the same mutations/abilities throughout several bodies?

[acoustic osprey]

no or yes

in-game
It would've likely been just per 'playthrough'

in-lore, i suppose, the replicator would 'each/per body' change your affinity to things

but, we never really got affinity expanded upon much

[hexed forge]

Mmm, I see

[acoustic osprey]

The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted.

and this is all we got as well in terms of OLYMPUS messages

[hexed forge]

hmm

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-the-sasquatch-the-big-lez-show-gif-5910861361020322873

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/xing-xingxing-xing-xing-ice-cream-animal-ice-cream-gif-16253726535243620653

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lez-show-clarence-gif-14875286

[hexed forge]

@carmine sail ...

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-27224532

[hexed forge]

Tbf, as much as we like to say its a lore hunt.

There was no lore.

However, I'd still continue to call it a lore hunt.

[carmine sail]

I was curious if there was an Update on it from 3 months ago

[hexed forge]

Nope.

[acoustic osprey]

the audacity

lol

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
a tiny continuation of the dibble video was nice
but not that helpful

let us hope that, like NHJ, that Don will take notes and see what worked and what didn't
and make them proper 'events'
like what i forwarded of what he said about the NHJ event from a few months ago

[hexed forge]

True

[acoustic osprey]

that is my wishes though
hopefully he doesn't feel like it should all be scrapped

[hexed forge]

Legacy PTSD

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-dr-house-hugh-laurie-its-been-fun-gif-5289562

[fast forge]

I asked don about it specifically, he told me not to worry about it, it will be explained eventually

[acoustic osprey]

yeah...

hopefully eventually.
hopefully

[hexed forge]

You know what we say..

SoonTM

[acoustic osprey]

that is if they're coming back;...

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-lorax-the-lorax-2012-lorax-appearing-hello-chat-gif-1925413108918178821

[cinder meadow]

update the game

whares my rex

[cinder meadow]

💀

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-street-cat-cat-mr-fresh-staring-cat-gif-923010559517228428

[lethal moat]

Said the man with Level 4 Clearance

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[pulsar knot]

devblog soon

[lethal moat]

I wonder if the clearance levels transcend geographic boundaries, or if each facility limits to that facility

[hallow ruin]

man, i would love if someone would suggest an interesting lore-related concept of a structure/environment/creature for me to remake

im griefing for lore stuff but i have nothing to do

[acoustic osprey]

CCTV...

[hallow ruin]

i got the models of them all
even legacy's

[ornate comet]

Imagine a video of a Ptera with a mini camera strapped to it. Go around, catches fish, harasses stego, chased away by pterodactylus. Then at the end it starts taking evasive maneuvers and diving around trying to get away from something, only to be caught and killed by a quetz. Would be a really cool “trail cam” video

(I’m just obsessed with the trail camera videos and how the dinos interact with each other)

[lethal moat]

Like those videos of a cat’s collar where it just wanders around doing cat things?

[ornate comet]

https://youtu.be/pI63Rbxml5U

Idk why this on on the Red Bull YouTube account

[ornate comet]

And also imagine that camera with a dryo burrow video

[fast forge]

robo quetz

[hallow ruin]

im Fricking down for this
ill put it on the list ✅

[hallow ruin]

this can be easily done with a little bit of morphs and tech stuff modeling, as i pretty much finished evrima quetz atm

[rain plinth]

you a dev??

@hallow ruin

[valid geyser]

no, they’re just very good at editing models and blender in general

[rain plinth]

i see

[lethal moat]

I love his modeled versions if tapwing’s concept art https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1168561242449911818/1253184580169629756/evrima_alberto_Concept_Art.png?ex=679b95d6&is=679a4456&hm=50449726d54a6cda62a6a1a7331474967c70ac91022a82a2900357ee3770595f&

[fast forge]

it would be fun to see

[valid geyser]

Oh I didn’t notice that last part before..

[rain plinth]

Damn

thats great bro

keep it up mate very nice

[patent ginkgo]

NOW WAY FREE STUFF <@&933486433342222376>

[neon wolf]

dang. i missed it

[dusk rapids]

Oh you become yellow I remember when u were still blueberry lol

But lore teach me the ways of the isle lore

[fast forge]

This is our lore document

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[dusk rapids]

Thank u I'll read it in min

[hexed forge]

Two more days.

[buoyant cobalt]

Till what?

[sonic rampart]

dEVBLOG

Caps

[patent ginkgo]

lunary is just super excited about the devblog

[buoyant cobalt]

Ohhh

[fast forge]

dervblerggg

[shy yew]

cool, I will read

[lethal moat]

Degblorv

[fringe berry]

not really a "lore" but i feel like when humans are properely added they will probably spawn in the domes around the map as their safezone and any military base on the island thats obv abandoned will have guns and general loot

but obv its a very risky journey to try to get there

[lethal moat]

I like the idea of them spawning on little dingies and having to navigate to the coast

[young sphinx]

When will there be more official art?

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256377694380232714/1256377858293497877/rule10.gif

[steel summit]

i have another of these you can use

[deep cairn]

When will… oh sorry. how will said content drop on the human timeline?

[acoustic osprey]

dblog? phase three? who knows

[knotty locust]

thats mine !

[steel summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1318151949803327589/acrocanthosaurus_yapping.gif

[acoustic osprey]

exactly (yay)

[acoustic osprey]

^i agree with this

[lethal moat]

Deg blorv tomorrow

[zinc dirge]

really?

[lethal moat]

Yep, last working day if the month

[zinc dirge]

Yay! :3

[valid geyser]

Wait, January is already almost over?

When did….
When did that happen….

[lethal moat]

Like a month ago

[plush widget]

How many hours

[lethal moat]

Yesn’t

[plush widget]

Thanks

[nimble fractal]

DevhBlorghh

a.k.a. a whole night without sleep waiting for the dinosaur game news to drop

Please I have my fingers crossed it will have some lore hints in it

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-laugh-lego-batman-laughing-gif-19857843

Hopefully.

[limber frigate]

LORE...,,

[acoustic osprey]

Soon

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/xing-xing-xing-xingxing-water-drip-faucet-drip-gif-6108043236348868270

[acoustic osprey]

around 24-30 hours

[muted reef]

Waiting...

[fast forge]

Dating...

[hexed forge]

2024 felt like a week ago

[deep cairn]

WHO IS THIS GUY ACTUALLY WHO IS TJOS STUPID MONKEY

[cursive meteor]

based pfp

[strange shell]

Monkeys are not stupid they are very smart
Also they know where you live

[regal horizon]

@hexed forge any theory on a dev blog appearin today?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
give it less than 24 hours

[regal horizon]

Aight bet

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[regal horizon]

Hows elden ring goin young one?

[hexed forge]

Oh I didn't play in like a week.
I'm outside the capital

[regal horizon]

Ah, well then gotta hurry, obi is already done with the base game

[acoustic osprey]

clearly there are aliens

[plush widget]

Real

<@&933486433342222376>

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[deep cairn]

You as well.

[deep cairn]

Sorry Ill respect monkeys next time

[snow jasper]

Thats XingXing

I love him

Attitude of a fiesty latina, Size of a big watermelon and Heart of a loving Parent

[errant hull]

get a life

[deep cairn]

If you need more than dinosaurs you’ll live a disconent life chasing meaningless trifles until you die.

[hexed forge]

Ight,

Devblog is today.

Things Im hoping for lore-wise:
-UI

Thanks.

[fallow harbor]

yes new ui yes please yes pleass

[ornate comet]

Trial cam trail cam trail cam trail cam trail cam

[cursive meteor]

"playing roblox" at 1:45 pm

[errant hull]

slave to religion

[brave kindle]

Slave to society

[near nebula]

strains mentioned

[acoustic osprey]

Woohoo

jeez
DOUBLE the size of the DTA. That is crazy

@fast forge i saw what you did there....

[fast forge]

didn't want to seem like I was promoting

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[fast forge]

it seemed fitting at the time and then I doubted myself

[acoustic osprey]

fair fair

[fast forge]

visual shared an image of this btw

[acoustic osprey]

oh really?

[fast forge]

but it was a shrunken image

[acoustic osprey]

ahhh
did anyone catch it

[fast forge]

I briefly saw it looking at stuff on my phone

yes I believe so

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

same general design as the DTA it seems as well
but basically double the size...

[fast forge]

found it before me lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[fast forge]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1294486520945967185/344ee92593a2311d67f49c9b1647ee86aa2ccbd4.png?ex=679ed804&is=679d8684&hm=313368a810cae01ff01813f76952c8ea2978ed2e99c85b0a7b2f97b068dc6172&
because... this is massive still by itself (DTA)

damn excited though!

strain mention is very nice

https://gyazo.com/61356a2dc63a479299aa98553cd6e5bb
I want to say this is a sheet

but, i doubt it
looks like a mouse pad, if anything

it is interesting seeing the wharf being done
nothing against it, but it just feels a bit weird

not a big fan, however, i doubt we'd really need to use it much anyways

however, seeing more on GUTS is beautiful

including the sally port
real nice having a bottleneck like that, bit like a mini HUB

[fast forge]

security camera

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-wazowski-watchingyou-gif-5352035

not enough CCTV! Need more
like at the docks! lol

[fast forge]

hehehe

[acoustic osprey]

i think it says Time something
Time Machine, right?

tried brightening it
but hard to see the second word

[fast forge]

oh I wasn't reading it

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[fast forge]

I was looking at the meme time

yeah I dunno what the text says

[zealous void]

STRAINS MENTIONED‼️

[fast forge]

above that it mentioned something about fences too, cerato will be happy

[acoustic osprey]

Oh nice

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[fast forge]

It was a good devblog

lots of nice animations

some fun tidbits of info

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[hallow ruin]

this in latest dev blog?

[zenith frigate]

that image is from like 3 devblogs ago
the building mentioned in the new devblog to house strains or sauropods is supposed to be about 2x the size of the one in that image

[onyx olive]

What is DTA?

[acoustic osprey]

aye

oh you mean the DTA
yeah, ages ago now

[acoustic osprey]

Dockyard Transportation Area

[hallow ruin]

||Dome Transportation Area||

[dapper cedar]

What's new with lore

[hallow ruin]

lore

ping on reply so u think i said a list of upcoming lore, but open the chat to find a useless emaningless message with one word

you're welcome 😄

[dapper cedar]

I hope every time you play you fall in a hole and die

[hallow ruin]

please no 😔

[dapper cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965854484280528906/1302078521648222218/mods_resetr_their_growth.gif

[hallow ruin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/996832283979956224/1106336130040856657/6E995E16-241D-4DCC-97CE-9E8EFC115508.gif

[young sphinx]

Kentro Lore

I heard it’s stronger than hypo

[acoustic osprey]

woah

[nimble fractal]

Hippo

What kind of dinosaur life is
Is this a new one

[nimble fractal]

There are some lore hints in the devblog I believe
However I haven't read through it fully yet

[acoustic osprey]

just changed the main name of the DTA to Dinosaur Transportation Area
and put in brackets "Dockyard Transportation Area"

plus a footnote explaining why such

can't be for certain if there are multiple names or just the one, need in-lore confirmation
so... until something like that happens, both names will be accepted for the time being

not like it changes the acronym at least

[hexed forge]

"And finally to top it all off, I’ve been working on the holding pen for sauropods and strains. I’ll hold off on showing until I’m happy with it, but when it’s ready I’ll have it passed through Phase Three. It’s a hulking structure that feels like the interior area could be its own level. And it’s almost, if not, twice the size of the DTA."

Saw the image Uga posted. It's massive

Where would it go tho I wonder.. Docks?

[hallow ruin]

send

[hallow rover]

Docks would be a logical place to have one

Incase you need a place to but the big fellas before transporting them on a boat or sumet

[hexed forge]

True

Can't wait until we get more docks.

[hallow ruin]

i think its the opposite most the time happening

[hallow rover]

Well yea either way works

Still holding out hope we get a beached ship at some point

[hallow ruin]

the isle

[hallow rover]

Or even a fully submerged one somewhere with a few secrets

[hallow ruin]

The Isle

[limber frost]

guys here me out

you know how a long time ago there was a twitter message that said "do not go past gateway"

i have a feeling after they are finished with all the dinosaurs on gateway they will add a new map

Tartarus

in Tartarus there will be strains and human testing facilities

the devs have hinted about the strains being in Tartarus

here on Tartarus we will find out more on the lore of the isle

thats my theory

[south pelican]

Crazy scam

[lethal moat]

We’ve seen two references to Tartarus so far in Evrima https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1258773184774279279/image.png?ex=679f6fe2&is=679e1e62&hm=110ef4d329d5f55b108f37e7051d5a979daaf43c45bdfc8373a77c78972ba5a3&

And then the one in the Augustus Incident report

[hallow ruin]

mine is
"Gateway, stands for the Gateway to hell, the Gateway to the Abyss... The Gateway.. to Tartarus."

[hallow ruin]

i think i really think its all forshadowing to an upcoming big reference, u think that would ever happen?

by that i mean clear documents about it or images

[lethal moat]

Dean incident report with another tartarus reference please, with ranch on the side

[hallow ruin]

oh yes please

[lethal moat]

Do not mix up ranch with blue cheese I will not tip you

[hallow ruin]

only if i know wth is blue cheese i would 😭

[fast forge]

All cheeses use some kind of microbes for fermentation
Blue cheese is a very specific kind that uses a blue mold that shows up as veins through the cheese
It's very specific taste and not really for the average cheese consumer
I love cheeses and want to like it, but it makes my throat itchy so I think I'm allergic

[hallow ruin]

ah thanks for the info on that

[warm shell]

Has there been any word on TRex ?

[sonic rampart]

In what way?

[limber frost]

So what do you guys think of my theory

[hexed forge]

The common perception of Tartarus is that it is under Gateway, would be weird if it wasn't.

However maybe? I personally still think that there's still a chance of it being a whole new map. But I doubt it. Probably a major location under gateway, hopefully.

[limber frost]

Mabey

[limber frost]

I dont think so

Because it says they were keep on tartarus

[hexed forge]

On or in?

[limber frost]

And when there were posts about the matriarch it said it was kept on tartarus and ate and evolved from other creatures on the "island and facilities"

It said on btw

[hexed forge]

The original posts on the Matriarch were unofficial tho, so I wouldn't take it 100%. But yeah.. maybe..

Would be really cool

[limber frost]

@hexed forge here me out

Remember when tapewing was making art on the matriarch

And he became a dev later

Im pretty sure

I think he was correct

Because if you saw his art the matriarch looked like a huge mix of dinosaurs

Like the Utah , cera, quetz, allo, and the matriarch ( yes there were 2) the second looked like a mix between a rex giga and some spino mabey the bigger one ate multiple Puertas and grew big and later got mauled by the hypo collusus or the some of the strains teamed up to fight it

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[plush widget]

<@&933486433342222376>

nice

[hexed forge]

The UI will also change the tab menu, amazing.

Probably some EIP stuff with it

[low scarab]

That would be cool

[acoustic osprey]

I suppose that was kinda inferred

With an ui overhaul

[hexed forge]

True, but still

[hallow ruin]

cool

[hexed forge]

This tunnel used to be a monorail entrance so I wonder if its getting replaced with a specialized GUTS monorail entrance that we didnt see yet. Or, they are going to scrap this as a monorail entrance.

(We know its getting changed)

[lethal moat]

I want to make nests on the monorail tracks as a herrera

[hexed forge]

Would be cool.

What kind of resources would you find in a monorail train wreck.

[lethal moat]

Keycards on remains

Shipping container stuff maybe

[hexed forge]

Shipping containers makes sense if these are "industrial" monorails.

[serene hare]

Guys what’s tartarus?

[lethal moat]

In legacy, it was a creation/containment facility for strains and other monsterous beings

[serene hare]

Alr

[lethal moat]

I think an extra large elevator down a lava tube that's been repurposed and sanitized down to a massive facility underground would be the best way to prevent escapes unless whatever is down there can climb

[hexed forge]

How deep down do you think Tartarus would be?

[lethal moat]

Depends

You need to balance practicality, cost, and benefits

Using existing lava tubes could lower cost, but may not be practical or even necessary

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

Exactly

I feel like Dondi has always been a realist

What is this was legacy?I would imagine it could be a lot more exaggerated

However , I feel like Evrima has been far more realistic and grounded

So I don't imagine any exaggerated underground aspects with Tartarus for Evrima

However that really depends though

We have nothing really on apollo engineering that could indicate something like this or against this

So it's really one of those things where we will just have to wait

[median shuttle]

Idk usually magma tubes crystalize and get filled with stone until the pressure from the magma underneath gets too high and bursts through the rock

[hallow ruin]

Hello guys
i'd like if someone who is a good writer and knows a bit of lore (not asking for too much knowledge) could help me with something to write, feel free to DM if u think you can, thank you.

[hexed forge]

hi

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664857833132523559/1262417306319847434/2x.gif

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/falco-gif-26864843

[hallow ruin]

oh no why smoking boys no girls

oh shes in the back there cool

[snow jasper]

lol

[hexed forge]

Interesting design choice.

[valid geyser]

Flawless design choice, clearly

[midnight igloo]

It’s clearly there to trip the gens ones that are chasing after mercs duh

[hallow ruin]

accidentally flipped 180degrees

[spark egret]

why would little kitty do that?😔

i hope it’s doing alright😔

[snow jasper]

my bad

[lethal moat]

What makes sense for the circumstances, and what’s the minimum cost to meet the requirements that you need, you need to be incredibly efficient in order to run a company as large as Apollo

[acoustic osprey]

The thing is we just don't know

There are many reasons why people would put a lot of money into something

Like tax deductibles

So tartarus could be quite an expensive endeavour

We just don't know truly

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sh2-silent-hill-2-fog-gif-1321460155140227201

[hexed forge]

Soon.

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

feels weird
feels like i'm burnt out of Isle (lore)
but i literally haven't been doing anything

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-stare-gif-14923372

This chat definitely slowed down with the theories..

Why..?

Maybe another lore drop needed..

The conversations in here started to seem more repetitive

Like its just GUTS GUTS and GUTS

Not like theres nothing wrong with it

Im not saying that we should get less GUTS stuff.

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, a person can only be insane for so long

for me, i feel like it is a mixture of recent negative talks on isle discussion
proper drought for lore (all the while waiting... literally being on the edge of a cliff ... for those documents to be released into the game plus GUTS finally properly being in

and in the end
i feel like i also know what'll happen, following the pattern of isle

where it'll only truly be a little bit
like GUTS will quite likely be little bit at a time

not like that is BAD
but, it can be disappointing. But oh well. I suppose we're used to getting a thing at a time.

[limber frost]

@hallow ruin do you still need a writer

[acoustic osprey]

how much isle lore do you know

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/vale-thumbs-up-nice-well-done-approve-gif-16168559

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-dancing-gif-24233159

[acoustic osprey]

However , as much as I like the philosophical debates
They are still philosophical.
And I often feel like I repeat myself too many times
So I kind of feel burnt out, i guess

[hexed forge]

Breaks are needed

[acoustic osprey]

You're bright suppose this has been a break

It is felt like it's been a break for about five months honestly

I think a big problem is we have exhausted every material we know

Then just comes back to the repeating myself stuff, which can be good to revise
But the things we revise aren't really that big
So one or two revisions can only really help until it becomes truly repetitive

[hexed forge]

yea

We had major discussions on basically everything.

Even the smallest stuff I think lol

[hexed forge]

Is this the first stage of leaving isle lore

Just like what happened to those before.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683040176397746187/965087719715905546/image01.gif

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah definitely I agree

Honestly , we could probably look back at really old stuff

For example like project lazarus

[hexed forge]

What was that?

[acoustic osprey]

But it's really niche and really small

Stuff that's really old
So there's basically no more information on it

[hexed forge]

oh lol

[acoustic osprey]

Besides basic theories

[hexed forge]

What was the context mentioned around it tho?

[acoustic osprey]

Wah oh

[acoustic osprey]

Project lazarus was with very early isle

Iirc, when it was being crowd funded

[acoustic osprey]

I've been here for too long lol

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/master-oogway-oogway-kung-fu-panda-kung-fu-panda-gif-18053853438960737300

Isaac one day ^

[acoustic osprey]

Basically what i have been doing the past year

[hexed forge]

oh rip

[acoustic osprey]

I come in I come out
Then I come in then i come out
Etc etc

[acoustic osprey]

Never!

I want to see it die, as all do eventually

(Not now, of course, as in once the isle finally finishes etc etc)

Insert Ozymandias

[hexed forge]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

But yeah we wait

Other , i'm glad i'm less chronically addicted

It's not like I haven't been engaging with life
But it feels better
Even though I feel a bit depressed with isle and lore right not

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-on-the-back-dr-frasier-crane-freddy-crane-kelsey-grammer-frasier-gif-13605884780391799086

[daring nacelle]

whats the current theory of the isle timeline and major events?
( i'm looking for the long answer )

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[daring nacelle]

i lowkey feel like an isle analog horror would be sick

might try making one if i can

[lethal moat]

There's a few

Here's my favorite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts93Zj85A-Y

[daring nacelle]

like random ppl made stuff?

[deep cairn]

Neat-o!

[daring nacelle]

the problem with all of these videos

is they don't use real footage

i find that ruins the emersion of analog horror

if i were to do it, i would either make prop like dino heads n stuff, and make it look real.

or just try to use as little edited dinosaur footage as possible

[acoustic osprey]

fair

[acoustic osprey]

one of the only ones, then, that would fit would basically be Apollo Files
however, though, Apollo Files is old now and awaiting future human stuff for a better reboot

[steel summit]

Apollo Files is cool and good quality but yeah, old and awaiting future updates.

[daring nacelle]

any links?

[daring nacelle]

you talking about the 3 part series?

because i made that a year ago XD

i was experimenting with isle vhs, and made those three

i never touched it since, because i wasn't sure what to do after those three

[steel summit]

are you Hacker? Project Leader of the Apollo Files.

because if you are then that would be weird cause you arent even part of the Apollo Files discord server.

im guessing you've made something similar.

[daring nacelle]

oh, maybe not then...

i thought you were talking about the suuuuper underground thing that i made ages ago

they were called apollo file 1, 2, 3

youtube videos, quite low quality, but they wern't terrible, i guess.

[steel summit]

cool, might check it out, but i'm talking about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X3cnOEY1NE&list=PLG6_ZHyuYOgIU0kkEgkG1BXCQ6hP5mpZT&ab_channel=Player0

[daring nacelle]

yeah

i made something different XD

[daring nacelle]

i guarantee you wouldn't find it

they biggest video there has like 9 views

it's depressing

back then i sucked at thumbnails, so they got no attraction

[steel summit]

is it this one?

[daring nacelle]

oh damn you found it XD

i thought that'd be way harder

it isn't very good, so don't get your hopes up

there are heaps of things i didn't consider when making it, so if i made a better one, i'd do it differently

[acoustic oracle]

The omni raptor is not a raptor and is actually a theropod

[cobalt thunder]

This sounds like saying “a kangaroo is not a marsupial but is actually a mammal” but I think I am uninformed :3

[acoustic oracle]

Ill get u some details

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[daring nacelle]

i thought your pfp was walter white for a second 😭

unless it is...

[acoustic osprey]

Jesse Pinkman cosplay of Walter White

[steel summit]

i mean yeah it aint a raptor (as in Bird of Prey)

but it can easily be called a Dromaeosaurid (which is what Utahraptor, Velociraptor, Deinonychus, and such are) even if its artificial.

and the "is actually a Theropod" is weird cause most carnivorous dinosaurs are theropods, for example dromaeosaurs.

[acoustic osprey]

i'd argue it would still count as a raptor

[steel summit]

and you'd be right in some ways.

[acoustic osprey]

i see

[acoustic oracle]

I was just yapping but u seem to have much more knowledge of Dinos then me 😅

[steel summit]

no its completely fine, i can understand your reasoning.

Omniraptor is an artificial species, so there is a valid argument for why it isnt a Raptor.

its just that aint the only way to look it at.

[acoustic osprey]

but even then
what makes something or anything a thing

especially in The Isle's case

where basically everything, even the humans, are all artificial/synthetic

[steel summit]

gen 2, so the humans we play are artificial yes

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[steel summit]

there are real dinosaurs in the isle though, Birds

[acoustic oracle]

wdym Gen 2?

[steel summit]

Gen 2, Humans, John Cake, Artificial Humans.

[acoustic osprey]

these

'people'

[steel summit]

certainly an image

[acoustic oracle]

Damn

[steel summit]

so the "humans" are gen 2, but what is gen 1 then?

[acoustic osprey]

even less 'human'

[steel summit]

correct

more beast than man, biological weapons

airdropping feral humanoid creatures on your enemies

[acoustic osprey]

why beast

[steel summit]

low mental capacity.

[acoustic osprey]

but what makes a beast a beast
how

[steel summit]

what makes a human a human?, this is philosophy.

gen 1 are obviously not human, which is why i say more Beast than Man.

the feral nature and low intelligence is part of that.

[acoustic osprey]

but is such obvious

[acoustic oracle]

Asylum patients?

[acoustic osprey]

feels like it
but more so artificially made

[acoustic oracle]

I dont understand but ok

[acoustic osprey]

could the minds controlling them be asylum patients? Maybe

[steel summit]

si,

[acoustic osprey]

but what makes human human

[acoustic oracle]

?

Is this it

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[acoustic oracle]

K

[hexed forge]

Or maybe gen1s don't have EIPs at all.

I like the idea that only the leaders of these gen1 "packs" have eips. If they can even form packs.

[acoustic osprey]

i was talking about Gen2s, sorry

although in Legacy, it seemed like Gen1s did contain EIPs

[hexed forge]

Hawkey was talking about gen1 tho..

[acoustic osprey]

i was not though

[hexed forge]

Tbf,
The entire idea of Gen1s changed constantly in legacy.
Might be different in evrima

[acoustic osprey]

not really

[steel summit]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[steel summit]

no problem, glad to be helpful

[hallow ruin]

maybe if cerato gets lazy at doing it, but yeah he came first, thanks tho mate

[deep cairn]

They are a mutant human

[steel summit]

They are artificial humanlike creatures.

Mutant is an off term, while in some ways it could be correct, overall it isnt really

even the possibility of calling them "human" is something that apparently spoils the lore.

They have low mental capacity (to low to worship things and such).

Mutant Human implies they were human at some point in time.

[deep cairn]

I forgot that they now look like the eyeless

[steel summit]

the proportions are different compared to the eyeless, but yeah they look similar

[deep cairn]

But still they had to make it off of something

Unless they created the creature from the ground up

I think the coolest option is if they weren’t created

[steel summit]

considering that they seem to be being used as biological weaponry, and considering the other creatures, being artificially created is the most logical possibility

[deep cairn]

Imagine how awsome if it was some creature from the Holocene

So much mystery.

But yeah your probobly right

[steel summit]

found a Dondi Quote about Gen 1's

[deep cairn]

That’s a good one

The craziest part is hostile terriorty

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/parachute-plane-deploy-gif-8158379

Gen 1 deployed

[desert acorn]

Eren Yeager looking ahhh

[hexed forge]

Is that me

Woah

[slow idol]

Gen 1's would look great on Vogue Magazine

[lethal moat]

Batcat yassified one of them awhile back

[hexed forge]

[pure perch]

[lethal moat]

There it is!

[slow idol]

Amazing

[fast forge]

it's so good
all credit to batcat for making it

[wind shadow]

What is Gen2?

Also, can you believe I am a 2015 player and I still don’t know why they created dinosaurs lore wise since they clearly aren’t part of a theme park?

[hexed forge]

Artificial Humans.
Used by AE in whats presumed to be just standard AE tasks/work.
Potentially specifically in field missions to not lose human life

[hexed forge]

We dont know either

[wind shadow]

Oooh, so that’s why they aren’t referred to as humans per se

[wind shadow]

Insane

So, they’re all part of the same company but for different purposes, I see

[hexed forge]

yup

[wind shadow]

And then the Gen1 are divided in two types, right?

[lethal moat]

Presumably more

[wind shadow]

More than the two designs we have been shown?

[lethal moat]

I would think so

[wind shadow]

Well, we’d have to wait and see where they go with it

[acoustic osprey]

we do.... but we don't

[hexed forge]

Exactly

[hallow ruin]

something wierd just happened to my game
i was afk tabbed out muting the game for past 30min-1 hour, and when i got back in it was night and i was hearing wierd noises like Envenomated ambiances, stuff like growls and scary ambiance.. the second i pressed left click it went away...

[median shuttle]

@cinder atlas here we go again

[hallow ruin]

what was it

[median shuttle]

Scam steam giftcard

[hallow ruin]

damn

[low scarab]

couldve been a crazy coincidence that it happened to stop then

or yk its yet another bug thats impossible to replicate

[hallow ruin]

it was NOT a coincidence, i did a few things before thinking of biting, and that instantly stopped it
probably yeah, the music was so crazy ive never heard it before

[low scarab]

wdym the music was so crazy?

[hallow ruin]

yk the intense music of horror movies? something like the ambiance in Dilo venom, the rumbles and stuff, it was happening like my dino was going crazy or smth

it was night and im 100% the Night OST is NOT like it

[low scarab]

hmmmm

interesting. gotta leave your clipping software on for next time

[hallow ruin]

😔

[zenith rose]

Learn to love the Queue 😭

[rare marsh]

life is good

[plush widget]

Did y'all see the new JWR creature

I think JWR just got a whole lot more interesting for us lore people

[hexed forge]

I like that they decided to actually add the D-Rex

Going with the original JW 4 plot

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-maurice-ah-its-fifty-fifty-fifty-fifty-5050-gif-25472268

[lethal moat]

It’s neat, but ultimately not relevant here, hopefully not disappointing

[buoyant cobalt]

What is JWR and what is a d-rex?

[acoustic osprey]

new movie
old dinosaur idea for jp4

[buoyant cobalt]

Ohhhh the new oneee

Thx

[acoustic osprey]

errant-291

[hexed forge]

haha

[acoustic osprey]

this is not a laughing matter

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683040176397746187/965087719715905546/image01.gif

We already discussed that entire paper 40 times and over 😔

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276680828050477107/1328453096157741066/togif.gif

[hexed forge]

I would love to see a version of Errant without the black boxes

[acoustic osprey]

i don't want any of ERRANT
I want new and original characters that have minimal importance (physically) to the story but greater and promote broader themes and motifs!

[hexed forge]

That could work too

I would take either way

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
it is what Don has, basicallly, said for the future of stuff to be akin to such

however
there would exist some version of ERRANT-291's document (irl) that would have to be uncensored

i do hope Don hears us and inserts them (presuming more documents will be censored) as either open easter eggs or unlockables (in whatever manner)

[lethal moat]

Give me the forklift driver character lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-the-door-technician-rick-star-wars-jedi-survivor-cal-kestis-gif-17197121201810214509

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/snl-saturdaynightlive-undercoverboss-parody-adamdriver-gif-5048540

[fast forge]

what is this from?

[muted reef]

Jurassic world rebirth stole the colossus

Trust

[lethal moat]

SNL undercover boss

[fast forge]

ohhh

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

Was about to say
One of the sketch thingos

[remote dew]

hear me out guys but my theories is we are a bunch of dinosaurs in the isle

[acoustic osprey]

well you're not wrong

more so in Legacy
but still, in Evrima, that is basically the general gist of it

(including Gen2s and Gen1s, later down the line)

[remote dew]

interesting but my other theory is we are connected to tekken because why not

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-you-know-who-else-my-mom-regular-show-funny-gif-9101122073397073314

[acoustic osprey]

sorry, that is not correct though

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/pibble-pibble-dog-pibble-gmail-gmail-dog-gmail-gif-1592494038181494840

[hexed forge]

Whyyyyy

[snow jasper]

Casted into the fire where they belong

[young crane]

the dinosaurs are robots

[hexed forge]

Nah

But

Sorta

[plush widget]

well

i would say they are a "vessel"

[plush widget]

i lowkey wanna become Dean

[lethal moat]

“He’s just like me fr”

[plush widget]

I have became the DEAN

and now

the lore shall be discovered

[hallow ruin]

ur pfp looks like shadow

[meager junco]

[hallow ruin]

i mean when u used to have that one

[meager junco]

The Rex one?

[hallow ruin]

bro you used to have the neuro rex?!

[meager junco]

Ohhh yeh

Been a minute since I had that pfp

[hallow ruin]

i loved it

yk what, all ur pfps are fire

[meager junco]

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-gif-7496081

[lethal moat]

[snow jasper]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

if you go back to the etymological evolution of the word
coming from the Czech word "robota" (meaning forced labour)

could you argue there there is some sort of forced labour?
However... how forced?
It depends, it likely is pretty consented and contracted for the Dinos that are EIPs
but the dinosaurs that are 'naturally' dinosaur (in their head)... AE forced them into life and place them into an ecosystem, seeing if they'll survive- oh and they're dead again; ready up Batch 2 with a bit of a tweak here and there.

But
if not
The Replicator, even if she/it isn't a proper sci-fi AI - being more so an ANI (artificial narrow AI/Intelligence), basically what a lot of video games use - I would definitely say it, as a machine / system, would be forced to produce. I suppose it is pretty explanatory though, nothing to argue about.
Machines are, by design, forced labour by their overlords (humans)
but yeah...

[low scarab]

This is what lore does to a man…

[ornate silo]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-meme-radar-gif-26497624

Well actually

...

The theory that dinosaurs in The Isle are robots is built on several key ideas, each of which ties into the game’s mysterious and often unsettling atmosphere. First, the island itself is a place of strange phenomena—shifting weather patterns, eerie sounds, and an almost sentient quality to the landscape. This unnatural environment could suggest that the island is not a natural formation but a constructed one, perhaps a testing ground or a preserve for biomechanical creations. Second, the dinosaurs’ behavior in The Isle is both lifelike and oddly mechanical. Their movements, while fluid, sometimes have a precision that feels almost programmed. Additionally, the way they interact with the environment and each other could be interpreted as the result of complex algorithms rather than instinct. Finally, the inclusion of humans in The Isle raises questions about their role in this world. Are they survivors of a fallen civilization that created the dinosaurs? Or are they intruders, stumbling upon a long-abandoned experiment? The humans’ presence hints at a deeper connection between humanity and the dinosaurs, one that could involve creation and control.

The dinosaurs in The Isle could be biomechanical constructs, blending organic and mechanical elements. This would explain their lifelike appearance while allowing for the possibility of advanced engineering. For example, the hollow bones of some dinosaurs could be part of a lightweight, durable framework designed for efficiency. Theropods’ razor-sharp teeth and claws might be made of synthetic materials, engineered for maximum lethality. The glowing eyes of certain dinosaurs in the game could be interpreted as optical sensors or indicators of their mechanical nature.

If the dinosaurs are robots, what was their purpose? Several possibilities emerge. They could have been created as weapons of war by an ancient civilization, designed to dominate the battlefield or enforce control over populations. Alternatively, they might have been built as environmental engineers, tasked with terraforming the island or maintaining its ecosystem. Another possibility is that they were scientific experiments, combining genetic and mechanical components to create the ultimate life form.

The lore of The Isle hints at a catastrophic event that shaped the island’s current state. If the dinosaurs are robots, this event could have been a system failure or a deliberate shutdown. Perhaps the civilization that created them collapsed, leaving the dinosaurs to roam the island indefinitely, their original programming slowly degrading over time.

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[acoustic osprey]

Very well
There are some misconceptions and old 'relevances', certainly sprouting from old legacy information; this mainly being the case with your point upon strange phenomena. Shifting weather patterns isn't really a thing for Evrima and that it seems that Gateway's weather is pretty typical, as it follows (although not the best, at times) typical tropical island weather ... *a lot of storming and raining, then also nothing... albeit, i do wish it was more short and dispersed. Something like Thailand, which, during summer, has small bursts of thunder and thick rain, then, a few minutes later, it is hot and moist and humid.
However, eerie sounds do check out a bit. Kinda.

It is believed though that Gateway is still a 'natural-esque' island in terms of its general island layout.
But the environment within? Surely, it can be said they would almost certainly change around with it - we know such due to resources like the Dibble Lore Video, which showed that AE works with CASPR to create plants.
Gateway's name is even indicative of a more 'factorial' or 'man-made-esque' scenario within. ||Being that we also know that Gateway is a 'gateway' to Tartarus.||

however

Their movements, while fluid, sometimes have a precision that feels almost programmed
if you look upon Legacy lore, forgive me, we knew all dinosaurs had something like this, but i would not state that it was robotic like. If anything, it was human-like. Random but not natural, rather than precise but not natural. Which was due to the EIP (Embryo Intelligence Profile) nature of all dinosaurs in Legacy ... i.e. all dinosaurs had human minds inside them ||not brains, minds.||. Therefore they would act 'interestingly' like humans, rather than solely animal-esque.

However, the inclusion of humans is known to be AE-orientated.
That is Generation Twos (and the workers) are quite likely the direct fault of AE ||not to say the workers are made, they are quite likely not to be, but that they are/were 'here' due to AE... *which sounds obvious after reviewing what i have just written|| and are and/or were placed on Gateway (and other islands, quite likely) via human intervention.
I believe though that this question you bring up is mislead from Legacy's placeholder "Tribals", which gave many the idea that tribals were truly natives.
But are you bring up, I'd say Gen2s (at least) are the most intrusive in the in-lore ecosystem of Gateway (and other islands, if any)

The dinosaurs in The Isle could be biomechanical constructs, blending organic and mechanical elements
now we do know that the dinosaurs are 'constructs', they do not (at least to what we've known from Legacy, and what we can presume from Evrima) have truly mechanic pieces inside of them
EXCLUDING micro-chip-esque aspects; as we do not truly know how EIPs work, if biotraces are given to dinosaurs as well... etc (presuming we know biotraces are chip-like)
We can presume these things though because they already have a 'drone' (cyborg?) dinosaur, Quetz, in-lore.

Although i don't agree with the point of claws, etc, being synthetic materials
These dinosaurs are still 'bred' to some degree - alongside breed amongst themselves.
So they have to be carbon based living animals.

The lore of The Isle hints at a catastrophic event that shaped the island’s current state
most certainly
even within Legacy, but also, most importantly, in Evrima.
But best not to dwell on stuff like dinosaur = robot
and more so the worldbuilding and pre-established lore you can look at and then theorise over.

||albeit, i know this was AI, that you used, it was funny||

[hexed forge]

What the hell

I thought the chat died.

https://tenor.com/view/wat-wat-confused-cat-puss-in-boots-book-gif-9458974566796143390

[fast forge]

this sounds AI generated

[acoustic osprey]

oh yes 100%

it is why it is using wrong information lol

[muted reef]

Notice blood and organs and bones exist when the dinos die?

[acoustic osprey]

the wiki is a place of funny news

[hexed forge]

Oh so its not worth reading nvm lol

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, read at your own costs

[fast forge]

It just conjectures that the dinosaurs are robots without saying anything meaningful

but this isn't a robot game, it's a dinosaur game
the supposition misses the entire theme of the game

[ornate silo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-27466237

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[acoustic osprey]

ask it about isle lore 😊

NHJ and Genetic Experiments
The NHJ Corporation, first mentioned in the Legacy lore, seems to still have an influence. They were known for genetic experimentation on dinosaurs, possibly altering their behavior or even introducing mutations. It’s unclear if NHJ is still active, but signs of their past work can be seen in the scattered remains of their operations.

Some theories suggest NHJ could stand for something like "Neo-Human Jurisdiction" or "New Horizon Jurisprudence," but nothing has been officially confirmed by the developers.

[muted reef]

Damn it's giving me pages worth of stuff

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Wow, tons of vague ai gibberish

[sly merlin]

@acoustic osprey does this seem odd to you?

Gateway is an island that looks very unnatural, islands don’t form like how it does. Everything about and on this island seems so odd. Why are creatures able to have mutations? Wtf are these buildings on the island? What are the tribals? These strains, the elders, whats up? I have a weird theory. Whatever company that made these buildings, which I’m guessing is AE, experiments on life forms. I feel like these tribals were the first inhabitants of this island, and humans found out about this place. They found something in the tribals uhh, ig biology idk that they could experiment on. With dinosaurs. That might have smth to do with the mutations and the strains, but idk how. Everything seems so off. I feel like that huge dome is their headquarters, and the broken fences were enclosures for the test subjects. What do you think?

There were also outposts, which they may have used to monitor the creatures. That could also explain the cam videos as well.

[sonic rampart]

Tribals, aka Gen 1, were made by AE

[muted reef]

Perimeter is just a container

Atleast from what we know. It for sure isnt a headquarters

[sly merlin]

And is there a gen 2?

[muted reef]

That is basic humans

[sonic rampart]

Yup, those are the normal-looking humans

Also an experiment made by AE

[muted reef]

Both gen 1 and gen 2 are made synthetically

[sly merlin]

For what.

[muted reef]

We don't know. Could be anything

It could also be a biome tester

[sly merlin]

Then what IS AE. Extraterrestrials? Higher life forms? GOD???

[sonic rampart]

A very, very large company

[muted reef]

Just a monopoly

They have sub companies like Apollo Engineering (which is the one we know)

AE made food and agriculture in the beginning but transitioned to genetics and dinosaurs sometime in the timeline

[sly merlin]

You think their agriculture is the food on the island? To fuel their dinosaurs?

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
i say Gateway isn't very unnatural
although, yeah, it isn't super natural
it is still a fictional island

however, they definitely play with the ecosystem and environments
making their own plants, and likely terraforming the island

The buildings are just from AE (Apollo Engineering, the company that made the dinosaurs, humans, etc) when they were more active on the island
But they definitely experiment on the dinosaurs
If you catch the small slide frames in the Dibble Trail cam video, we can see that they actually modify the Dibbles (and that the current injection is of a specific genome version, F36... 36th generation)
However, as Lunary said, Gen1s are also made by AE
and were already on the island quite likely prior to 'humans' (the humans we play as, aka. Gen2s) getting there

but yes, there is a horrific and lonely factor to the island

[muted reef]

Creatures probably have mutations because of the replicator, elders are just old dinos, strains are probably dinosaurs on various genetic meds

[acoustic osprey]

do you like to spread misinformation......

[muted reef]

They tried to enhance plants for climate purposes

[muted reef]

What haveth I done

[acoustic osprey]

AE started in botany
not Agriculture Catag.... oh my goodness 😔

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664857833132523559/1262417306319847434/2x.gif

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[acoustic osprey]

food came later

[sly merlin]

Can you send the dibble vid? And some pics of gen 1s? I do not think I know what they look like

[acoustic osprey]

sure thing no worries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OzCCQISKtQ

[muted reef]

Toamto tomato

[acoustic osprey]

well, technically yes.
Tomatoes do relate to botany and food

but botany is still more 'plant research' than food production

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gustavo-breaking-bad-jesse-walter-white-falling-gif-24309622

[acoustic osprey]

now it is hard to find/spot the slide glitches (the slides with information pop up for a few short frames)
so i'll forward what we have from lorecord

[muted reef]

Wonder how the timelines going

[sly merlin]

Also one thing. I saw a purple bush while playing. I thought it was smth with the light, but no it was purple indeed

[acoustic osprey]

(these were remade by me)

[acoustic osprey]

and this...

[muted reef]

You sure they werent red?

[sly merlin]

No

Everything was all purple.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[sonic rampart]

Oh the trifolium species

iirc those are placeholder models until we get fully custom ones

[acoustic osprey]

yea

[muted reef]

Is there a purple one?

I genuinely haven't played herbivore in so long

[muted reef]

I wonder if we'll get to see the hyper tree in game

[acoustic osprey]

if only we got that for Spire....

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-life-universe-gif-14814387

[acoustic osprey]

there was a chance we were gonna get something similar
but Spiro was Spiro

[muted reef]

is it scrapped or smth?

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-walter-white-screaming-breaking-bad-walter-walter-gif-27285909

[sly merlin]

They look as if they are a hybrid of some sorts

Their hands and feet, the facial structure. Their noses look like a very stubby snout

[muted reef]

Pretty sure they ain't

They seem to be a detterent to rival companies

I wonder how the timelines goin

[sly merlin]

From what? What are they trynna prevent?

Do they serve as a failed creation, so other companies won’t follow?

[muted reef]

Isaac probably knows more about that than me

[sly merlin]

@acoustic osprey, you know anything about this?

[hexed forge]

I doubt Gen1 are a failed creation.

They are weapons, potentially to eliminate competition from other rival companies.

An example would be, "Airdropping a group of Gen1s on an unexpecting small research outpost of a rival company"

[sly merlin]

They do look the part. Would they use modern weapons, or straight carnage?

[muted reef]

Carnage

Gen 2 are the modern weapon users

[hexed forge]

Straight Carnage probably,

Doubt we'd see Gen1s running around with Machine guns LOL

[muted reef]

Would be funny if you could grab a gun as a gen 2 and "attempt hipfire" with like a 1/100 chance the gun goes off lmao

[sly merlin]

Gen 1s def have tough skin and crazy strength then, if they are savage

[hexed forge]

I still do wonder if they are bullet proof to small calibers.

[muted reef]

How small are we talking

[hexed forge]

9mm

[sly merlin]

Depends on the gun, and I’d think so.

[hexed forge]

I hope so

[sly merlin]

Are those huge craters in their head supposed to be ears? If so they’d have hyper hearing like the quiet place monsters

[muted reef]

Maybe not proof...but resistant yes

[hexed forge]

Echolocation for the blind ones.

[sly merlin]

ALSO meaning they are sensitive to sound. A gameplay weakness, perhaps?

[sly merlin]

Will they be playable or ai? I feel like ai would be better because of the weaknesses

[hexed forge]

Gen1 will be playable

But I bet they would be AI too... if Isle AI can even advance that far..

[sly merlin]

So they’re gonna ignore the hyper hearing? If its still a weakness I don’t think anyone will play them

[sly merlin]

Well I don’t see it being SUPER complicated. They could have “camps” which they spawn from. Occasionally, 2-3 will leave together as a hunting party, just roaming the nearby area.

That would be a cool concept

[hexed forge]

We shall see in the future

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-future-gif-4767605

[acoustic osprey]

maybe
maybe not

definitely not so 'other companies won't follow'
although, ironically you bring this up, as Cerato puts it
it was used to place against other companies... lol

but it could be failed, as in they didn't achieve their end goal/ideal goal?
Maybe

we aren't sure yet

[lethal moat]

I think of gen 1 as attack/guard dogs because it's an extremely easy comparison that reasonably makes sense

[lethal moat]

Just watched the Blaire Witch Project for the first time with Shiny, and both of our trains of thought immediately went to how fun it’d be to torment a group of gen 2 for an extended period of time as the echidna, given that we only really know it can replicate voices

Luring individuals away or just harassing them in the dark sounds so much fun, especially if the echidna is capable of understanding gen 2’s speech, you can pretty much just become a supernatural being they never see but get picked off by one by one

[acoustic osprey]

replicating and transmitting is pretty cool

[lethal moat]

Yo guys, check this out!

https://tenor.com/view/sailor-moon-cat-luna-gif-22669716

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/icom-yaesu-ham-radio-amateur-radio-kenwood-gif-25778104

[lethal moat]

“Leave a sandwich and chips outside your tent for $50 dondibucks”

https://tenor.com/view/minions-hypnotize-singing-despicable-me-gif-15465828745582198891

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

I really look forward to learning about neuros, anything that does mind fuckery is a force to be reconed with

[acoustic osprey]

if we get such
that'll be interesting

[lethal moat]

Altered perception to make someone think they’re doing something they’re not would be really cool

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[strange shell]

Being able to call lightning is more of a force to be reckoned with

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/xing-xingxing-xing-xing-ice-cream-animal-ice-cream-gif-16253726535243620653

me when i play with the electro magnetic field

[acoustic osprey]

if you see this Don
are you able to confirm or deny this

[hallow pike]

Jurrasic park ahh plot

[acoustic osprey]

no

[hallow pike]

literally the plot of the next JP movie

some guys going out to island to get stuff under order of someguy and they have guns (they're not military)

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276680828050477107/1328453096157741066/togif.gif

[sly merlin]

Well, there is no gen 3 so maybe humans were what they were looking for.

[lethal moat]

Could we describe strains as a different generation? I personally wouldn’t, but maybe https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/1/15/1472514114_neurotenic_mastermind_by_rodrigo_vega-daajqzv.png/revision/latest?cb=20200208123023

[young sphinx]

The calamari queen ^

[lethal moat]

We never really discussed those spores around her legs did we?

Wonder what’s up with that and if it’s still relevant, could very well be associated with CARRIER

Maybe that’s how she adopted the cannibals in legacy, like an ant queen with phenomenal

[hexed forge]

I would think so

#isle-lore-theories message

This was my theory on the term iirc

So yea I agree I think, if we have the same idea

[lethal moat]

Nah, we’re thinking something different

[delicate verge]

man what IS AE's goal with all of this, what's their ultimate game 🤔

to create the perfect human?

[plush widget]

we dont really know

but im 100% certain that sometime in the canon timeline, there was a betrayal

an internal one that caused the accident

that is what im thinking

[delicate verge]

makes sense

company that big they're bound to have internal conflict

[delicate verge]

I mean this looks like someone's attempt to make a superior human

[meager junco]

Except they aren’t that intelligent

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message I believe this is as close as we've gotten

[acoustic osprey]

i think yours addresses the state of the Eyeless' especially in legacy

where i don't think Rumple addresses it at all
(in terms of each statement)

to be fair
if they were naturally 'neuros'
why wouldn't Don ever reveal such

I do believe, at least in Legacy, they might've been the only 'infected' creatures

[sly merlin]

Like the spino?

[acoustic osprey]

that is
if
they actually did achieve what they were looking for

we know AE has been 'halted' (right word? or maybe pushed back/limited?)
they no longer properly occupy Gateway, and likely other islands as well

so something has happened to them

knowing that they've been attacked by others (corps and peoples, etc)

[acoustic osprey]

no no
what i mean is splitting away from being 'made' as a strain
and being infected into a strain

[sly merlin]

I hope whenever they start working on the hyper update, some of the devs go around each server spamming roars of the hypers, and making appearances in crowded areas

[acoustic osprey]

(this is mostly upon Legacy lore though)

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-planet-eater-unicron-transformers-gif-10944298

[sly merlin]

Then what was the skinny screwed up spino called

[acoustic osprey]

these?

[sly merlin]

I have NEVER seen that before

[acoustic osprey]

because Don couldn't say what the Eyeless' real name was
even though other Neuros, like N Rex and N Spino, were name-dropped as "Neuros"

[sly merlin]

Yeah those

This freaky guy

[acoustic osprey]

these are the Eyeless
They were initially known as "Cannibals" but were later renamed to "Eyeless", as the term "Cannibals" is actually a nickname for Tribals/Gen 1s.

[sly merlin]

So I’m guessing they act like the quiet place monsters with sensitive hearing?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, both this and N Rex were (in this case) called Neuros
but we never got any mention on if the Eyeless were actually naturally neuros or not

[acoustic osprey]

also to note
The Eyeless ARE NOT their official name
just an unofficial fan name

because we are yet to know what they're actually called lol

[acoustic osprey]

most likely

[sly merlin]

Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

i still find it interesting though
Eyeless' must've had some hierarchical (?) importance or some importance
they were the only people who got statues
unlike Tribals (Gen1s) who only made hand art

(this is from an old v3 image)

[sly merlin]

Where are you getting these ss from I need the database of ts 😭

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-hates-land-before-time-dino-we-hates-it-gif-10569299

[acoustic osprey]

being in this community for years has its perks...

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-scream-angry-gif-17471844

[sly merlin]

Imma need you to slide EVERYTHING.

also did the n rex ever have a model?

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[hexed forge]

We don't know, but a community member made one.

[acoustic osprey]

not publicly iirc

someone did a fan model a month or two ago

[fast forge]

I need help

[acoustic osprey]

uh oh

[fast forge]

I'm trying to compile a list of all the animals in the Isle (excluding bird calls in ambient sound)

Here's the list so far:

All animals in The Isle

Playables:
Beipiaosaurus
Carnotaurus
Ceratosaurus
Deinosuchus
Diabloceratops
Dilophosaurus
Dryosaurus
Gallimimus
Herrerasaurus
Hypsilophodon
Maiasaura
Omniraptor
Pachycephalosaurus
Pteranodon
Stegosaurus
Tenontosaurus
Troodon

AI animals:
Boar (Sus scrofa)
Deer (sp?)
Goat (sp?)
American Bullfrog (Lithobates catesbeianus)
European Rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus)
Chicken (Gallus gallus)
Taco (Psittacosaurus sinensis)
Seaturtles (sp?)
Crab (sp?)

Pterodactylus antiquus
Compsognathus longipes

Schooling Fish:

• ?
• ?
• ?
  Elite Fish:
• Coelacanth (Latimeria chalumnae)
• Catfish (sp?)
• ?

[acoustic osprey]

ambient sound would be the hardest
as a lot of the mixes are just of general forest ambience
so it depends on what forests wedge and dinosauriac recorded or sampled

[fast forge]

I've recognized a few bird calls from ambience

But yeah, I want to fill in the question marks

[fast forge]

🙏

wait is the Muskellunge in the game still? I don't think I've seen that one

[sonic rampart]

It's a schooling fish yea

[acoustic osprey]

if it has been taken out, then that is news to me

[fast forge]

ohhh it's the big one

[acoustic osprey]

ye

[fast forge]

nvm yeah I remember now

Is the Channel Catfish a schooling fish, or an elite fish?

[sonic rampart]

I'm not actually sure if the elite one is a channel

But it's definitely some type of catfish

[fast forge]

Looks like the Mekong Giant Catfish maybe

That's what I'm gonna say, and the channel catfish is just one of the schooling fish

[fast forge]

ty for this it was very helpful

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

[fast forge]

(Updated)

AI animals:
Boar (Sus scrofa)
White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
Goat (Capra hircus)
American Bullfrog (Lithobates catesbeianus)
European Rabbit (Oryctolagus cuniculus)
Chicken (Gallus gallus)
Taco (Psittacosaurus sinensis)
Loggerhead Sea Turtle (Caretta caretta)
Crab (sp?)

Pterodactylus antiquus
Compsognathus longipes

Schooling Fish:

• Muskellunge (Esox masquinongy)
• Hoplosternum littorale
• Longear Sunfish (Lepomis megalotis)
• Forktail Rainbowfish (Pseudomugil furcatus)
• Channel Catfish (Ictalurus punctatus)
  Elite Fish:
• Coelacanth (Latimeria chalumnae)
• Mekong Giant Catfish (Pangasianodon gigas)
• ?

[delicate verge]

simple; failed attempt

[delicate verge]

but why dinosaurs?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[delicate verge]

you know what

perfectly good reason to build a multi billion (trillion) dollar monopoly

[fast forge]

tbh my best guess is that they thought dinosaurs would be better adapted to a world after the ice caps have melted

[delicate verge]

oh possibly

warmer climate = more humidity / water = more plants = atmosphere will get closer to how it was back then

[fast forge]

Perhaps it's suite of animals that they would offer to a country
"Revitalize your decimated ecosystem!"

[delicate verge]

eh not sure, only if they're also offering to build walls that we constantly see broken to make sure they don't wreck cities

has anyone looked to see if all the plants in game are modern or if there's some prehistoric plants?

[fast forge]

well I think the big fences would keep in all of the normal versions of our animals

[delicate verge]

ah ones with no strain you mean

[fast forge]

yeah it's the strains that broke them (or espionage)

[acoustic osprey]

or both

[fast forge]

All of the plants are modern plants

[acoustic osprey]

or more

[fast forge]

I can say that with a lot of confidence

[delicate verge]

interestinf

[fast forge]

well this is part of what I'm working on...

[delicate verge]

a lot easier to air drop dinos into a modern ecosystem than takes years and years to grow new plants

[fast forge]

no I think the plants are part of it, a big part

Like a lot of the plants in game would die in a real tropical environment

[acoustic osprey]

aye, they clearly do the same/similar with injecting man-made/edited plants
like with the dinosaurs

[fast forge]

My/our theory is that they are genetically engineered

[delicate verge]

maybe dinosaur dung is better fertilizer than modern animals

[acoustic osprey]

is it really a theory at this point though

we do know they edit their plants at least

[delicate verge]

oh this is 100000% true, gotta be

"they're dinosaurs, but they're not really dinosaurs"

[fast forge]

So the project I'm on right now is compiling a list of every species on the isle, and considering whether they are genetically engineered

For example, the coelacanth in the rivers is a deep-sea animal

Or the mountain ash that's an edible plant, that's native to much colder climates

[delicate verge]

interesting

[fast forge]

Some of them we know are engineered thanks to the dibble video
Some of them we can kinda guess, like the mountain ash or coelacanth

[delicate verge]

so I wonder if the color choices you can pick for dinos was just something the devs let players do, or if it actively coincides with lore in the fact they may be genetically altered

[fast forge]

Oh I think that's just an aesthetic thing
What colors the devs think this animal would/should have

[delicate verge]

ah fair

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair though
we do see colour variance in the lore videos
albeit, a lot more natural looking than most players

[hexed forge]

Unofficial server skin systems

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-i-hate-it-i-dont-like-it-hate-it-gif-20134478

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/fU3cHZIFh-o
if you know ppg, you know...

but, it had some pretty interesting lore-esque easter eggs which would be relatively interesting to have in The Isle
(of course, different execution ... due to different styles of games)

[patent raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1206352490979795087/1316142271707615352/9dbkpw.gif

[hexed forge]

<@&933486433342222376> FREE MONEY ABOVE ^

Thanks

[plush widget]

Did he give you money

[deep cairn]

Is this guy deconfirmed

[hexed forge]

Nope, Colossus is still real.

[deep cairn]

Awwwwwsome!

[fast forge]

oh boy oh boy, I sure hope there's a suspicious link upon which I can click

[lethal moat]

I wonder what it’s like to be hunted by tisso, Hypers are presumably loud and terrifying, neuros are presumably subtle and creepy, if tissos are sneaky, it might just be over fast tbh

[acoustic osprey]

ah, so it is in-game currently

thought so, it felt familiar somehow

[deep cairn]

Does the clock actually work

[acoustic osprey]

saying this
there is a website you could find by logging together 4 hidden QR codes
but, it doesn't work
so you need to find the end code for the website
then you need to activate a machine that gives the password and username for it
then the website shows a (possibly CGI) "live" CCTV footage of maybe an art museum

What is weird is that the one artwork glows at night
and the lights sometimes flicker and no one is ever there

[acoustic osprey]

no... not yet. Hopefully it will though

[hexed forge]

Marketplace asset?