isle-lore-theories

[hexed forge]

I dont think it means what you think it means

"there is no melting pot of AE's ideas where all of them get shoved into the same thing"

I believe that hes referring to AE, themselves not having an island for basically everything.

Gen1 having a whole seperate island dedicated to their research specifically.

Similar to the Strain research facility, except that one is just a normal facility iirc?

[acoustic osprey]

There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story

[hexed forge]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

there are 4 things he has given

[hexed forge]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

then what about

standard functional human beings

[hexed forge]

What about them

[acoustic osprey]

why remove Gen1s and not them then?

[hexed forge]

Because.. they are the ones who built and maintained Gateway. And then abandoned the island.

[acoustic osprey]

then why cant Gen1s be part of Gateway then?

refer to this timeline

[hexed forge]

We are both understanding the Don quote in different ways

[acoustic osprey]

how so

[hexed forge]

I believe that he is referring to AE just not using Gateway for their Gen1 research.
Some islands are dedicated to a specific type of research, there is no island that has everything. No Island where they throw all their idea experimentations and see what happens.

You believe that he is referring to a timeline.
Times where A B C exist, but D doesnt. But then it changes to A C D, due to insert whatever incident.

[icy onyx]

🤔

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, but I believe it is a lot more linear than stationary
I believe >on it inside of the story
refers to 'at the same time'
where i think you're getting it to mean as a whole

[muted reef]

Isaac has convinced me gen 1's are on gateway...but what is their point of being there

[acoustic osprey]

what is the point of gen2s or dinos on there
to test i suppose

[muted reef]

So it's all just a guinea pig test?

[acoustic osprey]

i suppose we'll find out in the future

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/jurrassic-park-jurassic-park-jurassic-park-movie-richard-attenborough-hammond-gif-24925890

Mirror mirror give me all knowledge

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-well-find-out-jacob-dutton-harrison-ford-1923-we-will-know-that-gif-13924432661313918615

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-leaving-lorax-the-lorax-leaving-meme-gif-7714964267197279021

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-moves-cute-pointing-the-lorax-gif-17518371

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[icy onyx]

yippee

[fierce cradle]

Hey guyz ..... Good morning.....again I am back with some lore questions for our lore wizards

First of all where is everyone in the isle ?

All structures are there ...but why no one is there ?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-brooklyn-guy-oh-theyre-gone-theyre-gone-they-left-gif-22220970

[fierce cradle]

What happened?

All became dinos ?

[lethal moat]

I rather doubt that, presumibly they left or were killed

[fierce cradle]

Why they left ? What happened ... They have moved the apexes in Tartarus .... No extra dimensional being is there

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-minion-minion-girl-cyring-gripping-gif-23947866

[acoustic osprey]

hard to say
but we gotta, at least now, look at the clues

[lethal moat]

We really don't know why they left

[acoustic osprey]

several destroyed fences across the island
references to opposing 'factions' (peoples and companies) antagonising AE
we know TOMB is 'purged' (right term?)

[fierce cradle]

My guess ..the pay wasn't good and they left

[fierce cradle]

What is TOMB ?

[lethal moat]

Presumibly some sort of EIP database

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[fierce cradle]

U know what's my next question is ? I guess u guyz know

What's EIP ?

[acoustic osprey]

embyro intelligence profile

in legacy
that was basically you

'profile' literally being synonymous for your steam profile in-game

in evrima? ehhh
Probably not that direct with in-game/real life = in-lore

but it is basically, going off legacy lore, a consciousness

which was placed into the brain of a dinosaur

which in legacy.. was the reason why dinosaurs acted like 'humans' in-game
because they were actually humans who were those dinosaurs in lore

however, in Evrima
we aren't really sure how wide spread EIPs are and how connected EIPs are with just dinosaurs

maybe all SYNTH dinosaurs (dinosaurs made 'by the machine' - presumably the replicator) have EIPs?
maybe only Gen1s and 2s have EIPs?
maybe anything made by the machine are EIPs
Maybe everything has an EIP

[fierce cradle]

Ok ...now a creative question for u guyz .... I am a fan of u guyz research ...so what I wanna ask is if u get to write the isle lore from scratch with all the ingame content what it will look like

[fierce cradle]

That's a fate worse than death

[acoustic osprey]

a fate, that may last 1000 lives...

[acoustic osprey]

do you mean write any canon (official) lore for The Isle? or do you mean personal (head-canon) lore?

[fierce cradle]

And u can't even scream in pain ... Maybe ur attacking and eating ur partner or maybe a colleague

[fierce cradle]

Anything.... Up to u

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

Debatable

[fierce cradle]

U can't even scream in pain .... Maybe it's ur best friend whose trying to kill u cz of hunger and the fun part is u can feel all of it and ur friend too

[lethal moat]

Is it you though

[fierce cradle]

Maybe AE is the villain in the story

[lethal moat]

I don't think there are any bad guys

[fierce cradle]

If it's not us then how.can the dinos act like humans

[lethal moat]

I'm not saying it's made from you, I'm just saying you might not be the same person as your EIP

[acoustic osprey]

i am currently part of Apollo Files, which have their own personal 'alternative isle lore'
But, i suppose nothing really personally haha

I have a lot on my plate always, so I don't mind just following official isle lore

however as much as I'd like to be part of the writing team for The Isle
I understand that this is Don's work and not mine, and therefore any 'outside' stuff can go astray

but... in terms of community engagement affecting The Isle Lore?
We've had that about twice (first with Tap's neuro spino being canonised ||iirc, it was her neuro spino. Might've been something else||)
And also with two members from this channel from years ago being put into The Isle
Will they have it so the community may be able to alter the lore? I'd like that - heck even get Lorecord to be split into TWO if it comes down to us having to pick sides for lore stuff ||kinda like how Don did a tweet years ago where people polled for how Don should end the game's story||

but yeah
don't know
maybe we'll get some community members canonised again and maybe not leave after it

but personally, i don't mind Don not doing that unless it is, like, a dev

[deep cairn]

I guess if your artwork for it is cool enough and on brand Dondi could consider it.

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[deep cairn]

Is there YouTubers just on isle lore

[crude turtle]

How can the big corporation not be the villain in any story😭

[acoustic osprey]

just me sadly...

[deep cairn]

Real??

[acoustic osprey]

besides 1tinydinosaur

[lethal moat]

I do bug reports on my channel in addition to the lore podcast

[acoustic osprey]

but Rumple has our lore podcast

[acoustic osprey]

erm bug reports are not lore!!!

[deep cairn]

A whole podcast? Dang

[crude turtle]

What is your channel?

[acoustic osprey]

si senor

[crude turtle]

You should link it to your profile

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO (lightclaw)

[acoustic osprey]

it should be, unless i've hid them?

sadly i've only got 2 videos
and they're not very good

but
anything is better than nothing

[crude turtle]

I only see Spotify stream and Xbox

[acoustic osprey]

oh wack

[crude turtle]

I like how you talk funny man

[knotty locust]

frog

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/robotnik-locked-in-farmboy64monet-farmboy64-eggman-gif-9130093786724672043

[crude turtle]

You have a nuance that’s noticeable I’d like to know how u talk

That sounds weird

[deep cairn]

Like a documentary

[acoustic osprey]

hmmm, interesting

i'll let you know my upbringing was weird in terms of foreign influence
maltese australian
watched a ton of british shows
while watching a lot of american movies
plus british and (old) italian musician

https://tenor.com/view/watermelon-cat-funny-gif-2280908438162700469

anyways, isle lore time (and wait for some lore)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[hallow ruin]

do we discuss EIP here or is it too much for newbies passing by?

[lethal moat]

If you have something to say, go for it

[hallow ruin]

lol hopefully no one gets a mental breakdown just like i did

you can think EIPs can act like a memory resource for spowned creatures, but the best guess is EIP profiles would conscious during their life, each life.

but the thing is, what do we know about the time from death screen - to respowning, are they conscious, are they not feeling it, or do they get some sort of isolated to a new reality, the actual reality, not as the dilo they just died as, or the raptor they are going to spown as, but as the poor guy who assigned the contract, for brief moments suffering the pain of his choices

[lethal moat]

We had this discussion like, three days ago

[hallow ruin]

lol i wasnt thereeee 🤷‍♂️

[hallow ruin]

did u get any result out of it?

or did it end with a "maybe?"

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

i suppose the end result with all of these discussions always contain this

subconsciously, i think, i hope we envoke Don in convos like THOSE

but often it is usually on random discussions lol (when he may arrive and comment on something)

[hallow ruin]

subconsciously..

hows that?

like, being subconsciously AWARE? or just being subconscious

[acoustic osprey]

i mean like
deep inside of me I'd like for Don to come in and comment (i.e. often/deny) on one of THOSE convos (conversations)
(like me and rumps discussion on EIPs)

[hallow ruin]

wait is "subconsciously" related to first or second half of ur talk

about EIP or dondi..

[acoustic osprey]

deep inside of me

[hallow ruin]

😔

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
this is what i mean when i say subconsciously

[hallow ruin]

dondi would be lurking, replying when he feels like its the time/place/correct question

[acoustic osprey]

i doubt that he is always lurking
especially during Isle holiday

[hallow ruin]

i was over exaggerating

but he CAN literally be watching, bro you might ask a question that is the actual core of lore and with yes/no answer you might get the isle lore solved and unpacked to the public, but he would be silent, u dont even have to know he is

i still want an aswer

what did that talk end with? did yall figure out smth

[acoustic osprey]

i'll send a link to it

#isle-lore-theories message
this was the start of it

#isle-lore-theories message
and this is where it ended off at

[hallow ruin]

a whole hour hell yeah im in
thanks rumple

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hallow ruin]

i gotta reply to this no matter how old it is, but i love it. its smth ima think of...

[acoustic osprey]

mmhmmm

[lethal moat]

Dissassembled conciousness is how I prefer to think of unused EIPs

[hallow ruin]

what if thats what makes EIP profile such an interesting subject for testing by AE, not sure on what reasoning but
the fact that as u said, u cant tell what happens when u die irl, but an EIP can tell, and probably lived that 999 times before (whatever happens when it ends)
so either thats what drives them insane (or does it), or AE already know the answer, this is why its as easy as an assignment, or.. idk.

also
what does EIP stand for again?

[acoustic osprey]

embryo intelligence profile

[lofty swallow]

I am physical proof that that statement is not true

can't even stand to look at old videos I've made

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

but, through time comes experience
if you didn't make any videos, you wouldn't have learnt from such

[lofty swallow]

exactly

[acoustic osprey]

and you may, if you never made videos, just have found yourself regretting yourself for not making any videos

[lofty swallow]

That's true

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lofty swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/vsauce-michael-or-is-it-gif-19808095

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[hallow ruin]

Exactly my theory, good example using the irl reincranation

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[hallow ruin]

but then after the brain replaces what it cant handle, and after that body dies, and u get to the void short time when ur being transferred, it all comes back, it smacks u hard like a meteor. you the EIP feel ur "room with screen and all controls" exploding, melting, there is no stright input ur not alive ur not seeing in the screen, but its like when u plug a small toy to a high voltage power, it explodes, but u physically cant explode, so u suffer. untill u get to spown again, and the suffer repeats

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/hq7fA_ENKsk?t=161
2:41

[hallow ruin]

i was referring to this ^
with the message above, forgot to reply

[acoustic osprey]

what you said reminds me of this

[hallow ruin]

YES YES YES YESES!!!!!

I WANT EIP TO LIVE THIS THIS IS SO TRUE

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hallow ruin]

but what actually is the context of this video? im curious

[acoustic osprey]

fnaf arg, iirc

so a fan made thingo based off FNAF

[hallow ruin]

im gonna do the same, but for the isle 😛

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[hallow ruin]

i actually love EIP and stuff and theories around it, i think the idea of making smth similar could make it more understandable

[acoustic osprey]

mmmmm

[lethal moat]

https://youtu.be/dI5pChFvZSI This is how I imagine a EIP in a new body would be, except they need to figure things out themselves or with others instead of having access to all information

At 1 minute if it didn't do it properly

Exploring, seeing what they can get away with

[lofty swallow]

If someone lives until elder and dies naturally by age, a very short blip of many pictures regarding the agreement EIPs have with AE would be crazy

[acoustic osprey]

makes me wonder if there'll be a new death screen for the UI overhaul

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

kinda for me

i feel like that'd be a nice intro for EIPs that start, in-lore

[lethal moat]

"This is different, this is wrong" would be appropriate for such an alien feeling as not being in the same body as the eip was taken from

[deep cairn]

Who is the ceo of Apollo and Phoenix? Or in charge?

[acoustic osprey]

for AE, we don't know yet

[lethal moat]

Pheonix Corp isn't relevant or canon anymore, and we don't know much about Apollo's leadership, just that it was either a counsil or a ceo, then it swapped to the other at some point

[acoustic osprey]

for Phoenix, it was Lawrence Carter (legacy)

Lawrence Carter also helped AE with operation inferno

[acoustic osprey]

i presume it'd be standard corporate levels
so CEO, Board of Directors, etc

[deep cairn]

Phoenix corp isn’t competitors anymore?

Cause not canon?

[acoustic osprey]

gone from lore

[lethal moat]

Nope, now we've on RF and EC

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[deep cairn]

Whats that

[acoustic osprey]

(maybe even more, but who knows)

[lethal moat]

Rival companies, we don't know what those stand for

[deep cairn]

Then is operation inferno not canon either

[lethal moat]

Correct

[deep cairn]

Where are you guys getting this cause I think the wiki isn’t updated,

[lethal moat]

Never trust the wiki

[acoustic osprey]

mostly from Don

[lethal moat]

Most of our information are from dev comments

[acoustic osprey]

a dev comments

[lethal moat]

We get a little from others every now and again

[acoustic osprey]

not really

[hexed forge]

We got like, one thing?, from punch in 2024

About strain gameplay and gen2 gameplay

Very little "actual" lore tho

From punch

[acoustic osprey]

this?
if so
this still is pretty much stuff we've heard from Don on stream and old messages from ages back

[hexed forge]

Yup

So it's mostly Don yeah, if not all

Which I don't see the problem with since lore isn't a big thing yet and he is the only guy writing the lore on the team.

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much
it is his story
so if anything is said by another dev, it is basically always coming from Don from a meeting

although, Visual may not comment much
but at least we get some worldbuilding stuff from him 🙂 👍

[hexed forge]

Yup

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184681758231363636/1219346714587304077/The_Isle_Lore.gif

[icy onyx]

fascinating🧐

[pseudo fable]

Until you know me. It's less fascinating.

[lethal moat]

It's a rotating Ben in a glass tube, what could be more fascinating than that?

[ornate comet]

BEN MENTIONED

[patent ginkgo]

Ben model reveal will be a wonderful day

[hexed forge]

Minmi rotating in a glass tube.

We need to make Minmi Ben 2.0

Call him uhhh

Some name

[ornate comet]

Franklin

so we have Ben and Franklin

[slate mantle]

What’s going on in hordetest rn?

[lethal moat]

Nothing, hordetesting is over

[slate mantle]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
Maybe we'll be lucky and get an early HT for Rex and maybe a lore video soon

But nothing yet
Gotta wait till their holidays are presumably finished

[hexed forge]

Next week.

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[fast forge]

Rex HT....

[hexed forge]

(I mean as in the week that the devs come back, not the HT... Dont strike me down mods)

[acoustic osprey]

yes, that was obvious from your reply

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-open-holy-hand-grenade-gif-13890860417931861339

[hexed forge]

With the addition of Tiny's message, it was better to be safe than sorry.

[fast forge]

Yeah I imagine we'll get a month or more of the devs working before we see a rex HT, especially since december was a short month because of holidays

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/V9ugr7PGHKA
'lets discuss map changes'

'the big one being some containers'

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-quiet-gif-8316632

[hexed forge]

Thankfully we ignored the fences !!

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo

[low scarab]

It’s very important information

[fast forge]

you let those fences bother you
just run under them and move on

[hexed forge]

Me running under them is the thing that is bothering me..

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-leaving-lorax-the-lorax-leaving-meme-gif-7714964267197279021

just float over it

[woven trench]

Lore theory, dinosaurs are aliens…

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/maize-monument-mythos-alexkansas-alien-dance-aliens-gif-24137746

[fast forge]

aliens made by humans?

[woven trench]

Indeed

The humans, are aliens, making the dinosaurs, aliens…

[fast forge]

maybe

[acoustic osprey]

humans are made by aliens

[fast forge]

and those aliens were in turn made by humans

like ouroboros, it never ends

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-giant-snake-snake-god-of-war-is-angered-gif-26759459

[hexed forge]

oh

yay it worked

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lofty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J-BzYMQiZRI

0:33

[acoustic osprey]

the isle is a simulation

[hexed forge]

sorry

[acoustic osprey]

something i completely forgot
how would you tell between an 'isle' asset and a marketplace asset?

not everything official has the chance to be shown off my VisualTech, of course
so how would we, especially in the future, pick between such?

of course, most of these marketplace assets are and likely will always be pretty small and insignificant overall

but yeah

[mystic pebble]

The reason A.I. spawning is getting sparse isn't because of a glitch, but because the dinosaurs are hunting then natural fauna out of existence. In the next update A.I. spawning will be removed and server population caps will be removed to fill the servers with more players to be used as food

[hallow ruin]

erm..

[mystic pebble]

Its just a theory, i don't know if the game is powerful enough to remove server limits yet, but maybe once holidays are over they will work on it

[icy onyx]

random ahh theory

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151598137773920317/1303674673694900255/melonNuke.gif

[strange shell]

It will never be

Also uh, the updates aren't part of the lore

[regal horizon]

Explain

[hallow ruin]

watermelon metero hitting the 3 CEOs of AE
cat, kat, kit

this was the beginning of RF taking the lead

[cursive vigil]

Isn't there significant human presence on the island? I know they're not playable yet, but considering the giant pyramid thing humans probably run the whole place and would just import or breed new fauna if deer and stuff were dying out

[acoustic osprey]

not really lore haha
anything really in-game at its current state does not really correct to proper storytelling/worldbuilding (nor really inversely) at the moment

[mystic pebble]

I understand. Were the zombies on the halloween event non canon as well?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-maurice-ah-its-fifty-fifty-fifty-fifty-5050-gif-25472268

we're not really that sure
we didn't get whatever Don wrote for it
so we're not that sure on what it all means and what it may be in correlation

besides, ultimately you'll get a reply by someone when the rest of the lore peoples awake, that it may be related to Tissoplastics somehow

[mystic pebble]

Ah, alright. I'm glad when even little events get some lore explanation, even if its not canon to the overall story. Makes imagining the wider world and it's possibilities a little more interesting. Especially when theres so much mystery in this game

[hexed forge]

Don wrote some lore around it but we didn't get to see it yet.
But it may be related to the tissoplastic strain.

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[hexed forge]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

as you can see, ultimately you will get a reply

[hexed forge]

I did not see

[acoustic osprey]

sadly, you did not
but Rainy did

[hexed forge]

I'm a blind man

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151598137773920317/1303674673694900255/melonNuke.gif

[hexed forge]

Is the admin command to infect people still in?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hexed forge]

oh

[mystic pebble]

I saw!

Zombies terrify the hell out of me so i'm glad I joined after this was common

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

Looked nice

[hallow ruin]

average isaac conversation 😭

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

i am curious though
if maybe we need to be a Zombie

to actually see it

a bit like the reading lore mutation that never happened officially (yet)

[hexed forge]

I doubt its in

[acoustic osprey]

maybe but

[hexed forge]

I feel like at this point Don would've gave a hint that there is something for us to find

[acoustic osprey]

Don talked about writing stuff for it
so he has/had written something

potentially

[hexed forge]

Yeah..

[acoustic osprey]

unless he realised he didn't want to/need to after the Dibble video

i'll have a go around the islands
but yeah, likely nothing

[acoustic osprey]

giant pyramid thing...

https://tenor.com/view/thats-gore-of-my-comfort-character-spongebob-meme-incidental-37b-reaction-image-oh-thats-gif-10174208917287232393

damn it, zombie is bugged on Shirleys

ugh, bugged on another server
damn

[hexed forge]

Wow

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo

[mystic pebble]

If he wrote lore for it then possibly might be something he reintroduces more of?

Just looked up tissoplastic and it has depictions of creatures I don't think i've ever seen of in-game. These highly mutated dinos

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
this is the context for it

(specifically this comment #isle-lore-theories message )

just that there is an in-lore protocol documentation on the island based around the halloween bit

which is pretty interesting

[mystic pebble]

Ah alright. Yeah it is interesting and gives me some hope for cool storytelling

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

also, if you want, you can join our unofficial Lore Server if you want of course
we always post things related to lore when we get lore

[hexed forge]

Also check out the lore document

[mystic pebble]

I'll consider the lore server if I'm still playing in a while, my server list is quite messy atm

[regal horizon]

Damn, cool story but i wanted to see if david could come up with one 😂

[knotty locust]

I wonder if gen 1 vocal chords are capable of producing “human” speech/words

[hallow ruin]

i dont think he has the braincells to do so 😂

[regal horizon]

Why do you think i asked 🤣

[hallow ruin]

what?

[regal horizon]

Love you david ❤️

[regal horizon]

I meant i knew he couldn't come up with anything good

I couldn't either

[hallow ruin]

im losing the sense of words

i better go sleep never mind me

[regal horizon]

Nighty night 😄🤙

[hallow ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-9126257337878438151

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/olde-ok-hello-kill-me-no-gif-19067713

[hexed forge]

I hope so,

Very distorted sounds atleast

In lore atleast

I don't know how it would work ingame

[lofty swallow]

it screeching "run" would be amazing if you're running away from one as a gen 2

[low scarab]

Someone gotta turn on the Olympus transmitter 🙏

[hexed forge]

Wonder if its broken or just simply turned off.

Would be fun if we have to fix the Olympus Transmitter

[low scarab]

fr

cough cough please

[acoustic osprey]

Offline?

[hexed forge]

It could mean either

[acoustic osprey]

Hence
Offline?

[lethal moat]

I am the employee that spilled the cup of coffee that short circuited the olympus transmitter

[hexed forge]

Sacrifice this man to Tartarus

[lethal moat]

Yolo, expresso over the fundamental infrastructure of the island

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bSHxY.gif

[lethal moat]

My caffeine addiction cannot be defeated

Actually, CaffeinatedOviraptor could be a fun alt name, I’ll write that down

[acoustic osprey]

To Tartarus you must go now

[lethal moat]

What food options are available?

[acoustic osprey]

Tar tar sauce

[lethal moat]

Nasty, are there any sandwiches

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe, depends I think

[lethal moat]

I’m in

[hexed forge]

Shouldve asked for Mac'n'cheese with ketchup

[knotty locust]

see, I thought it would be interesting if some of the sounds a gen 1 would make would be similar to mimicry, like “hey over here” when it doesn’t really understand what those words mean, just that they’re sounds used to attract a human’s attention

[hexed forge]

Could just use "hey"

[knotty locust]

walking through the jungle with the lads when you hear a distorted voice saying “yo we got discounts on sidearm attachments” and we all just sprint towards it

[hexed forge]

I know you are just joking

But I dont think they would be able to make a full on sentence, or even a phrase. Maybe singular words

[knotty locust]

look if a gen 1 was capable of mimicking that entire part of weird al’s hardware store, I’m letting him eat me he deserves it

[lethal moat]

The ancient recipe

[lofty swallow]

I'm really curious to see what role gen 1s will have in the eco system, will they be there primarily to torment gen 2s?

[icy onyx]

Hmm yes im curious aswell

[hexed forge]

I dont see much special/unique gen1 interactions with dinosaurs

[fast forge]

yeah, just kind of another herrera

[hallow ruin]

see rumple, this is what we always say about him not joining for the question we need him for, but rather for the silly talks 😂

[hexed forge]

I mean, we didnt ask any questions

[hallow ruin]

we was questioning about EIPs for past two days

[hexed forge]

He didnt see it probably.

[hallow ruin]

ok.

[hexed forge]

Im more so talking about him not seeing any questions when he was in chat at that time.

[acoustic osprey]

That's the point though

Don joined after all our big talks

Into this lol

[hexed forge]

~~Write down the times when he checks chat, Time our big talks with the speculated times that he checks the chat at ~~

Unlucky timing I suppose

https://tenor.com/view/dance-moves-cute-pointing-the-lorax-gif-17518371

[hallow ruin]

hes saying it as a joke, but i take it as a- AMAROK IS GENIUS.

[fast forge]

I'm not gonna do that

[hexed forge]

Its a joke

[fast forge]

But I have noticed he is more likely to show up on weekday evenings

(well, evening by my time zone)

[icy onyx]

😯

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/D5pXVra2DS.gif

[lethal moat]

He lurks

[hexed forge]

Lol

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-rex-land-of-the-lost-grumpy-t-rex-rex-gif-13924895365909892156

[pseudo fable]

Well, yeah. Writing.

[lethal moat]

Writing is fun, only dnd stuff recently, but my players are happy

I also throw misleading information in there because my players eat it up

[hallow ruin]

are you sure you're talking about YOUR players?

~~or isle players ~~

[hexed forge]

DnD

Dungeons and Dragons

[lethal moat]

Yeah, 2 of them are in lorecord

[hallow ruin]

cool

[hexed forge]

Ohhhh

Shiny and Bigson

Oh

[hallow ruin]

ive never seen anything of what u do with it tbh

[hallow ruin]

shocking info

[hexed forge]

Too many DnD players in lorecord

[lethal moat]

No such thing as too many, dnd is fun

[hexed forge]

I never tried it yet

[lethal moat]

It's a fun form of creative expression, like writing a story with several other people

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

[lethal moat]

Anyway, lore stuff since Dondi is here, we've worn EIP discussion a bit thin, lets do gen 2 discussion

[hexed forge]

Gameplay wise,

Gen2 tasks that are given by AE through their little tablets.

(This idea has been repeated multiple times but I will continue repeating it because it's just a good idea imo)

-Place tcam in GW_H6
-Fix x
-Explore insert

Etc etc, examples

But there must be a reward to these tasks which I'm not sure how that would work

[lethal moat]

Do gen 2 get names or designations or both, like how certain dinosaurs do

[hexed forge]

Since gen1 have designations/names too.

I'm guessing gen2s have it too

Gen2 is an asset/product of AE, would make sense

Would every Gen2 have an EIP?

In comparison to dinosaurs and gen1s, which imo I don't think ALL of them have EIPs. I think the majority, if not all, of gen2s would have an EIP

[lethal moat]

Do they have designations/names?

[hexed forge]

Who, gen1?

Don said they do yes

[lethal moat]

I would think gen 2 would act like a new body, but it really depends on how they're used

[hexed forge]

True

[lethal moat]

Where? I might have missed it

[hexed forge]

I'll find it rq

[hallow ruin]

why are u saying "majority"

how can they exist without EIP

be brain dead?

[lethal moat]

Depends exactly what eips are and how they work

[hallow ruin]

or i mightve not understood EIP
arent they the actual awareness given to a creature made by AE?

[lethal moat]

I was referring to individual gen 1s having names

[hexed forge]

Because they might have a consciousness already. The base gen2.

Adding an EIP to a gen2 would just make it so they can actually control and use them efficiently

Base gen2 without a EIP having the mental age of a newborn

[hallow ruin]

Gen2s arent humans
they are (probably lab made) but just made by AE, how can they be conscious already without an EIP?

i think im misunderstanding it, is AE able to make a cerature conscious without putting an EIP for it?

[lethal moat]

Do they naturally have a fully developed brain?

[lethal moat]

Dunno

[hallow ruin]

is brain the consciousness? or is consciousness the brain?

[hexed forge]

You are making an organism. That organism is alive. Alive = developing a consciousness

[lethal moat]

You need a brain to be concious, presumibly

[hexed forge]

When gen2s are created, they probably have the mental mind of a newborn. Unable to think.

[hallow ruin]

so that means AE mostly are able to make an alive dependent consciouc creature?.

[lethal moat]

That's my guess, but we can't really know

[hexed forge]

You would have to teach and train the mind.

But, a much better way to do it would just to inject an EIP imo

[hallow ruin]

what if they dont develop the brain.. they get it PUT into them
or wait, thats EIPs again

[hallow ruin]

exactly

[hexed forge]

EIPs aren't physical brains

[hexed forge]

You are not putting a human brain into a stegosaurus

[hallow ruin]

im aware im saying if ur gonna inject a brain, just give it EIP rather than a seperatly made brain

[hexed forge]

The creature would still need the brain to function

[hallow ruin]

instead of making a whole developed and lets say adult human brain,just give that original blad brain a consciousness (EIP)

[hallow ruin]

use their original brain

[hexed forge]

Yes...

[hallow ruin]

so in conclusion
EIP is the most viable option to use on a creature, as far as we know

but wait
now how does nested dinos not be wild? or are they? if they are wild and free of EIP, why are they same as their parents? (in terms of everything)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-supernatural-relatable-relatablemoods-gif-7719768255809338997

[hallow ruin]

this is the point

[hexed forge]

They aren't the same as their parents tho

[hallow ruin]

EIP being the only viable option is inaccurate, it gotta be ^
because something else is there

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/olde-ok-hello-kill-me-no-gif-19067713
Isle lore theory be quite so

[lethal moat]

To some extent

[hallow ruin]

how are they not?

[hallow ruin]

now ?

[hexed forge]

I'm confused on what you mean

[hallow ruin]

tell me in general
how is a spowned dinosaur (with EIP) is not the same as a nested one?

[lethal moat]

Does there need to be a difference?

[hexed forge]

The nested one does not have an EIP

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it to be different
Brain =/= EIP

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

At least, to what we can assume

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[hexed forge]

Most likely

[acoustic osprey]

We knew in Legacy all had EIPs
So how did nested ones get their profile?

[hallow ruin]

yes, i think i worded it badly
what i meant isnt they are equal, what i meant is they are more viable than making a human brain that works and putting it for Gen2s
why not just inject the EIP to the bald newborn brain?

[hallow ruin]

thats the thing

[hallow ruin]

what im trying to say is
"how does not having an EIP effect the creature, on all measures"
or does it really not affect it?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
Wouldn't it affect a creature?

You're subduing a creature with consciousness

[hallow ruin]

in-game, i think there is 0 difference?

[lethal moat]

Would it tho?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
How do we know

[hexed forge]

It's just

A creature

[acoustic osprey]

The reason why Legacy dinosaurs didn't act like proper animals is because they had a conscience

[hexed forge]

The consciousness develops normally

[hallow ruin]

we're getting somewhere
is there a difference but.. we just cant know?
or is there actually no difference other than (it has? yes/no)

[lethal moat]

Different and subdued are extremely different

[acoustic osprey]

Like you and me are though

[hallow ruin]

wdym didnt act like animals?

[acoustic osprey]

What do you mean different

[hexed forge]

Ehm

[hexed forge]

Players

[hallow ruin]

ah so typical EIP effect
Wait..

[acoustic osprey]

They don't and didn't ingame and in lore
Why?
Because they wanted players to reflect lore
Therefore EIPs were made

[hexed forge]

Yup

[acoustic osprey]

Like why could we respawn over and over again?

The Replicator

[hallow ruin]

if EIP somehow reffers to the player and how distinguishable their mind is to a real dinosaur/animal

players play as nested dinos the same way, tho the nested babies dont have EIPs. but players are EIPs..

[hallow ruin]

what about this ^

[hexed forge]

Remember the mutation elder upgrades?

I would love for the buffs to reset every thousand respawns on x server

[lethal moat]

Some players will target humans with extreme prejudice, and that likely also would need to be factored in

[hallow ruin]

there is one single difference between a nested player and a spowned player
can yall guess it?

[acoustic osprey]

How does this affect EIPs

[hallow ruin]

this might be what differentiate an EIP, they dont have parents, nor they have ever tried having ones

[hexed forge]

This is the tricky part
We don't know the nesting part

[lethal moat]

Assuming the player is the EIP, there would be 'malicous' EIPs who are out there to cause as much wanton destruction as possible

[hallow ruin]

thousand is a lot for a game balance

[acoustic osprey]

I mean yeah
This already happens
Not too sure what you're referring to though

[lethal moat]

Why would you create an EIP that is malicous

[hexed forge]

How many of those lives do you actually get to elder and die to old age

You could be being spawn camped as a juvie for all we know

[hallow ruin]

this probably means they are naturally/by them selves are bad/malicous

this doesnt mean they are aware of it all, and trying their best to destroy this system and break free

[hallow ruin]

oh wait, every life counts, even the 30 seconds long omni that got smashed by a maia counts
hmmmm... but how long is a thousand?
in terms of gameplay hours, how long will it take u on average

[hexed forge]

EIPs are AE employees pretty sure.

Soooo if AE doesn't know- they aren't really creating malicious EIPs on purpose

[acoustic osprey]

Why would AE be making them?

[hexed forge]

Nedry situation but cooler

[hexed forge]

No clue

[lethal moat]

Presumibly, you would get an EIP from a person, and I would hope they do enough research to not pick some of the psycopaths that run around in game, I suppose it might just be a difference between gameplay and lore

[hallow ruin]

why is it AE empoloyees?
wait, are people who assigned the contract able to live, while the EIP is a copy of their mind, so what they assign of is the rights of using their mind as a copy
or do they really get put into the machine and live a thousand lives before coming back.

[hexed forge]

Too late

Docktahs exists

They breached the background check

[acoustic osprey]

you're assuming though, at the height of AE, that EIPs would go and attack humans/malicious

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[hallow ruin]

my guess, is 2nd option

[snow jasper]

EIP's attacking?
I thought EIPs are files 😭

[lethal moat]

In that situation, why would fences be necessary

[acoustic osprey]

because they're still animals? (EIP and naturally made, presuming there are non-EIP dinosaurs vice versa)

we are only really playing the 'end/latter' of AE and Gateway
We know there is, in legacy and evrima, natural deterioration with mental states of these things
including the theme 'my body is a cage'

EIPs seemingly can be a very cruel process, quite likely not by purpose

[hexed forge]

EIPs are consciousnesses

Their data possibly stored in TOMB

[lethal moat]

Or it is intentional and acknowledged as a worthwhile cost

[snow jasper]

some metal gear sounding stuff

[acoustic osprey]

i don't know why they'd want to, up front, cause that type of deterioration unless AE are 'generic evil company'

[lethal moat]

I would not consider an EIP myself, if whatever AE offers is good enough, I would put that burden onto "other me"

[hexed forge]

Wdym

Specifically the "other me" part

[acoustic osprey]

that is assuming an EIP is a cloned aspect

rather than it just being a singular existence per life (only one of you may exist at a time, say)

[lethal moat]

I do not consider a replicated conciousness to be the same as the original, even if is seen or observered to be the same, it is not a continuation, just a copy

[snow jasper]

English doesn't not have a word to describe two indistinct but different things, grah

[hexed forge]

I don't think your mind gets cloned.

[hexed forge]

Oh hmm

[snow jasper]

this sounds like the i am me, but that me is not me talk again

except the sides have changed?

[lethal moat]

Homophone is a reasonable comparison

[hexed forge]

I mean

You would still play the copy, it's not just some other random you playing it

[acoustic osprey]

however, that still sounds like that is still going off that the 'you' that you believe to be 'you' still exists

[hexed forge]

If that was the case I think AE could've just survived off of one EIP sacrifice

[snow jasper]

a pair homophones aren't indistinct though
their spelling makes them distinct

[acoustic osprey]

you are trying to think of homographs

[lethal moat]

Maybe variation is needed

[hexed forge]

Why did I think homophones are an instrument for a second

[acoustic osprey]

it is a close term to homophonic, in music

[lethal moat]

We end up at the ship of thesius argument again

[acoustic osprey]

not really
because i am going under the presumption there can only be one 'you' (even if you, rumple, do not believe that the you after yourself is the same 'you')

[hexed forge]

But just clone several basic copies of Craig, some of those Craigs can be different, clone them again, repeat.

Variation

[snow jasper]

Same goes with homophones, they're distinct enough to not necessarily be indistinct from eachother
The only way to differentiate two consciousnesses is to have one of them confirm themselves to be the original
And how is the one that isn't original supposed to know its not original? Assuming it carries over its past memories

[hexed forge]

If I'm thinking of it right

[lethal moat]

And I'm going under the assumption that the second anything changes, it is no longer you

[acoustic osprey]

that is a different argument though

[lethal moat]

Is it? I see it as one and the same

[acoustic osprey]

i am not talking about what makes 'you' you

[acoustic osprey]

homographs are spelt the same, the only way to understand such is context

[lethal moat]

EIPs will constantly be different then they were

[acoustic osprey]

that is assuming an EIP is a cloned aspect
rather than it just being a singular existence per life (only one of you may exist at a time, say)

this is my original point
especially when you referred to

I would put that burden onto "other me"

[hexed forge]

AUGUSTUS climbs, you are replicated and so there are a lot of "copies" of your physical capability to climb.

You, AUGUSTUS are still you.

I don't think replication copies your consciousness. Only physical capabilities

But since AUGUSTUS is the only replicated example we have its hard to tell..

[acoustic osprey]

what do you mean by this

[hexed forge]

AUGUSTUS is the only specimen that we know of that has been replicated in lore so far

[acoustic osprey]

no?

[hexed forge]

Who else?

[acoustic osprey]

there were additional replicants
more than one

you edited your message, thanks

[hexed forge]

Erm

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-leaving-lorax-the-lorax-leaving-meme-gif-7714964267197279021

[snow jasper]

...and the way to uphold context is through the Replicator ( linking it to the inability to differentiate two of the same entities ), assuming the universe has no omniscient God ( My own take from that )

But what happens when all context is lost, permanently missing pieces to an unsolved puzzle to define two indistinct things ( this is overcomplicating, but English doesn't have a word for this as far as I am aware )

[lethal moat]

My understanding of EIPs doesn't necessarily allow for it to start and stop as easy as flitting between different bodies, so I think each is it's own individual, learning from the previous iteration

[hexed forge]

Replicants of herrera?

[acoustic osprey]

there were more of AUGUSTUS, yes

[hexed forge]

Yes, that's what I'm saying

But AUGUSTUS is still AUGUSTUS

There's no multiple AUGUSTUS

There's physical copies of AUGUSTUS

[acoustic osprey]

yes that made sense when you edited your message

[acoustic osprey]

(refer to asexual creatures)

[acoustic osprey]

do you believe EIPs go under a 'linked chain'
EIPa dies then is transfered into a new body
but there is only one of EIPa

or several EIPs at once
therefore there can be many of EIPa at once, with different bodies etc

(this ignores ship of theseus stuff)

[hexed forge]

Oh

https://tenor.com/view/dance-moves-cute-pointing-the-lorax-gif-17518371

[lethal moat]

The first one, but less chain and more bead necklace

[hexed forge]

Anyways I gotta get some rest, goodnight chat. 👋

[lethal moat]

Peace out

[acoustic osprey]

are you referring to Leibniz's Law then

states that no two distinct things exactly resemble each other

[snow jasper]

Well, you could supposedly differentiate a clone of an EIP to the Original via their specific biological/chemical makeup
Still doesn't actually clarify who the Original is if both believe to be the Original.

[acoustic osprey]

I see
Cause that original comment you have confused me a bit on your sentiment on it

[acoustic osprey]

Oh like the twins in invincible

[snow jasper]

I've not watched invincible

[acoustic osprey]

why

[snow jasper]

Time

😔

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151598137773920317/1303674673694900255/melonNuke.gif

[snow jasper]

YEAHHHHHHH

[acoustic osprey]

anyways
Don writing sounds good. woohoo

[acoustic osprey]

YEAH!!!

[snow jasper]

Oh?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
at least, i hope this is what it meant lol

wonder if so, if it is for a potential Rex trailer/lore vid

not don't know they'd want to do
Trailer or "Lore" Vid

suppose they could do both

Lore vid for hype
Trailer for launch

wouldn't hurt i suppose

[snow jasper]

Nothing stopping them for waiting until after

[acoustic osprey]

after release....?

[snow jasper]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

why

[snow jasper]

wjh

[acoustic osprey]

I feel like a lore vid like what we've had before is best for either pre-release or for release

post-release is a bit silly
nothing good for marketing
and just sadder for us 😔

[snow jasper]

Perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

mayhaps

[snow jasper]

hm

[acoustic osprey]

i was gonna say when do we start theorising what happens in a potential Rex Lore Vid
but, i suppose we already have

lol

[snow jasper]

not a lot of reliable stuff to go off of evrima wise

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of what'll happen?

[snow jasper]

ya

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, that goes for anything akin to a lore media for almost any game
i'll be honest

unless, i suppose, you're expecting a 'sequel to something'

[snow jasper]

The Isle 2: Return of AE

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[snow jasper]

mwuhuhuhuhuhr

[acoustic osprey]

although... that technically is Recode/Evrima to an extent

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-sand-noises-angry-angry-sand-sand-people-angry-sand-people-gif-15181576

[snow jasper]

I was thinking from a linear jump off from where we are now

[snow jasper]

Looks like sand lol

[acoustic osprey]

why linear! why not non-linear

[snow jasper]

well, legacy and evrima lore doesn't align well

linear was a bad word

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
just keep to recode for what type of thing it is

best way to describe it
lore, game and all

[snow jasper]

i mean, a sequel comic would be cool or smth, idk

im asking for too much now

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

i would love something that could sum up and finish legacy lore 😔
even though it is pointless lol

[snow jasper]

tf2 comic got me sitting on a warm stomach

[snow jasper]

John Cake travelled the multiverse and destroyed legacy's universe

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[snow jasper]

the current john cake is merely a guy, he has yet to discover such powahh!

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, evrima right now is a prelude to John Cake's strength

[snow jasper]

john cake is the overseer to the multiverse and beyond

[acoustic osprey]

exactly what i was thinking

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/real-brotherhood-bff-high-five-gif-15127886

[acoustic osprey]

unfortunately, i am in holiday mode
I wish i could think of something smart now for some lore thinking

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/robotnik-locked-in-farmboy64monet-farmboy64-eggman-gif-9130093786724672043

[snow jasper]

I've been working most of my holiday

[acoustic osprey]

laugh at this rooner^

[snow jasper]

catching up on all the things I've missed

https://tenor.com/view/sad-alex-jones-gif-14546483329531742677

[acoustic osprey]

fair
I start work this coming week now

woohoo (then leave again a week after)

[snow jasper]

as do I, but its uni

[acoustic osprey]

rip good luck

[snow jasper]

I am on my knees with lacerations all over 😭

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-26422058

[acoustic osprey]

did they do Gateway's east dock first in homage to Jurassic Park/Isla Nubla?

[knotty locust]

that’s actually insanely funny if it’s true

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

always feels nice seeing non-lore people use a few more lore terms
feels like a job well done from the lore community
especially since we've basically not-existed properly for years till 'recently'

[hallow ruin]

yeah true

[low scarab]

We need more content on yt and other places abt lore to be honest

A lot of the general isle community’s knowledge (myself included before being a lore prisoner) comes from yt notably people like anthomnia meatylock etc

[knotty locust]

lore nerds I’ve just had one hell of a thought

how exactly do gen 1s swim in water

do they doggy paddle? do they freestyle? do they breaststroke or use some odd combination of different styles?

or do they just up and drown?

because any kind of form like freestyle needs to be learned

doggy paddle is literally the number one instinctive method of swimming

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[knotty locust]

and they’re not exactly huge on muscle mass like chimpanzees, who cannot swim due to said muscle mass

[hexed forge]

If they drown it strongly reminds me of death angels lol

[hexed forge]

Chimps can't swim? Woah

That's new for my mind

[knotty locust]

honestly the first thing that came to my mind is that “IN WATER, CHIMPS WILL DROWN.” video

[knotty locust]

chimpanzees and gorillas can’t swim I believe, as their muscle mass is too dense, so they just sink

I’m not too sure about orangutans

it’s why a lot of primate enclosures at zoos have moats

[hexed forge]

What if Gen1s have a dense muscle mass too?

Made for resisting small caliber weaponry

[knotty locust]

I was thinking the gen 1s would do some kind of mishmash of styles, basically winging it when trying to swim

[hexed forge]

Possibly

I would accept them just drowning too maybe, as a weakness

[hallow ruin]

wakey wakey cerato

[hexed forge]

hi

[knotty locust]

would kinda suck from a gameplay perspective though

[hallow ruin]

11am for u isnt it?

[hexed forge]

Yes

[hexed forge]

I believe gen1 will get a whole separate map since I think they were never on gateway either way

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/in-ho-squid-game-squid-game-the-front-man-gif-13597951164353619763

[knotty locust]

huh

[icy onyx]

hmm

[hexed forge]

hi

[knotty locust]

what do you mean

[hexed forge]

Ahhh let me find it

[knotty locust]

if you’re talking about the dondi quote, I know

[hexed forge]

yay

So I think by the time we get gen1s we will get a whole separate map made for them

[knotty locust]

I don’t

because he’s specifically talking lore wise

the game itself is a sandbox with everything all at once so that players can choose what they want to do

though I would love some kind of “mainland” map in the future that allows for more diverse biomes

[hexed forge]

Yes

[hexed forge]

I dont think we will ever get an official mainland map

[knotty locust]

society crumbles

[hexed forge]

But anyway, back to the gen1 swimming topic.

I'm fine with them being able to swim or just drown. Them drowning would make them more special by adding weaknesses. imo

[knotty locust]

my victim looking back after crossing a river and seeing me standing on the edge of the river with my spear

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1017324014705856562/unknown.png

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-myers-boogeyman-boogieman-halloween-1978-gif-16790213

[hallow ruin]

oh god John is being crazy again

[hallow ruin]

do we know whats the use of those lights?

[fast forge]

Probably like in jurassic park, tells you when the fence is on
Sometimes people use red lights because they don't want to spook animals. Some animals (mostly mammals) can't see that wavelength
Buuuut birds have notoriously good color vision, and dinosaurs are somewhere between birds and crocodiles soooo

[hallow ruin]

hmmm so that 2nd one isnt the purpose

probably to tell if fences are on yeah.

but its still wierd, some are really broken and smashed, some are completely lost

[magic sleet]

beipe eggs on na 2 join if u want gen 2 biepie

[hexed forge]

Wrong chat

[acoustic osprey]

We've had concept art similar before

[hexed forge]

For legacy tho, I think

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lofty swallow]

when the lore is loring

[acoustic osprey]

don said he was writing yesterday... so maybe soon!!

[hexed forge]

Same as him writing that halloween thing-

Mm yes. Soon

[acoustic osprey]

is it though?

[hexed forge]

Maybe

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of this

Same as him writing that halloween thing-

[acoustic osprey]

do not forgot what they're connected to as well
(each light)

likely a mixture of this, from what tiny said

Probably like in jurassic park, tells you when the fence is on

and a reminder that funny radio waves

[hexed forge]

Yes but what do you mean by "Is it though"

[acoustic osprey]

what do you mean by it being the same thing, is what that means

[hexed forge]

Him writing something doesnt mean we will get it anytime soon

[acoustic osprey]

oh you mean it like that
yeah i suppose

like when he referred to making Troodon's anomalous incident report from 2022

this was right before ERRANT-291 was posted

[hexed forge]

yup

[acoustic osprey]

i do wonder if Don casually scraps things he has written a lot for Isle Lore
or if he keeps things 'filed' until he wants to review (potentially even redo) and continue it

things he has written as in things like being mid-way in an incident report

not things like ideas, etc

ideas and the whatnot (akin to it) would be, I'd imagine, pretty easily flammable (easily scrapped)

but it also makes me wonder if Don is writing/drafting a lot of those documents and stuff he has said he has written, (said or unsaid) etc, for the longterm/longrun
as in, he doesn't want a lot of these things being posted on the official channel 'when ready'
more so being made for the game, especially for once Gen2s actually get updated properly

||a bit like how Don referred to 'more' glance sheets being a thing soon, likely being in the HUBS and/or around the map||

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-please-please-please-anonymous-please-more-shows-gif-14796794

[acoustic osprey]

i was gonna continue but i mind blanked, left to play piano and forgot

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-tenth-doctor-david-tennant-point-u-no-u-gif-24987731

[pseudo fable]

I have notes and scribbles across various hard drives and journals from the last ten years. Most of these are kept to be reworked or referenced in some way.

[acoustic osprey]

oh that's interesting
kinda reminds me of the phrase there are no wrong answers
any idea can be a good idea, just depends on execution, etc

[lethal moat]

There are very much wrong answers, most things are subjective, especially when it comes to storywriting and worldbuilding

[hexed forge]

Did you learn a christmas song on piano yet

[acoustic osprey]

I disagree
i think you interpret it under as wrong results
heck even then, what you say fits with 'no wrong answers'
as it infers opinions/perspectives

everything has an answer
and in this context, there is no 'bad ideas' (wrong answer)

[acoustic osprey]

technically yes

[hexed forge]

Oohh nice, what song?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/watermelon-cat-funny-gif-2280908438162700469

[hexed forge]

Very good song

Or do you mean you made a christmas song lol

[lethal moat]

There will always be people that either don’t like or don’t understand something, a correct answer is impossible in a world where people still believe the world is flat

[acoustic osprey]

i think you're interpreting the quote wrong/differently

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wut-shrug-gif-21587752

[acoustic osprey]

and even then isn't very relevant

[hexed forge]

The "answers" are ideas, in this context, I think

[acoustic osprey]

as, in the context of the original author, isn't really about solving scientific quotes
but is more of a day-to-day life and philosophical question (i.e. artsy)

especially in the case of ideas

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hexed forge]

yippee

[acoustic osprey]

i think the most relevant/similar case of this within The Isle is merely just the existence of Evrima and Legacy lore similarity and contrast

especially themes and motifs, ideas, that have been brought over from Legacy to Evrima
(like EIPs, for example)

[lethal moat]

I’m kind if interested to see things in Evrima that might connect some dots for legacy, like “ok, that’s what was planned”

[acoustic osprey]

sort've like Evrima is an alternative universe and 'revised' sandbox for good old Legacy

i was going to say 'imagine being able to find Legacy lore in Evrima'
but that is pretty ... yeah
wouldn't make ANY sense and would just confuse players

unless such route to find such in-game game is intended for the player to actually understand what they're getting out of it
don't think i made any sense
but
say (this is a terrible idea, but just to catch my drift) 'type in Legacy ||or even something like AE-001|| in a pinpad and wow The Isle Legacy harddrive has been put into your game folder!'

[hexed forge]

If Don even has a whole file of legacy lore somewhere.

He mightve scrapped it for it to be never seen again

[acoustic osprey]

||i ultimately would love to just have some sort of wrapped hard drive concluding Legacy... but what Don infers and what makes sense is that Legacy lore was not finished. And a lot of these ideas that would've made way in an alternative universe where Legacy had never exploded may, in real life, actually have a semi-solid chance of reprising in Evrima to some degree.||

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-movie-lego-i-think-emmet-lego-emmet-gif-6961773119751581800

[acoustic osprey]

man this reminds me of my high school years
we had tons of things written down in documents that we tried to pass over into our private accounts

turns out Google isn't very reliable in file transfers, who could've guessed

[lethal moat]

I’ve heard that’s dangerous, so I don’t do that anymore

[acoustic osprey]

i'm just glad the most important things we got were physically made

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480390528729091/1081008629047627807/IMG_1332.gif

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=6562fdb7&is=655088b7&hm=80fb679a714555687d61311e125ea77476090c97560ee811c0512c880383e75d&

[hexed forge]

I agree

[pseudo fable]

Well, at a certain point I'll need loremasters.

I've pulled from the community before. You never know.

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey ^

[hexed forge]

Isaac is perfectly built for that role.

[pseudo fable]

That is not discernable.

It takes away all of the magic.

And I know that is the most important aspect to many here.

[lethal moat]

Not knowing is extremely fun, having to connect pieces, even if you get it wrong, is probably the best part

[pseudo fable]

Assembling the pieces is the opposite of that.

[hexed forge]

Mmm true.

[pseudo fable]

"Verify. Check. Oh, this is wrong. Now that's been adjusted. Does it still line up with everything else?"

This problems compounds as more is added.

It takes longer.

https://tenor.com/sTmQcqm7BO8.gif

[acoustic osprey]

like i've said in the past
I don't want to work for lore
I want to work to find some lore

even then, head empty. I cannot imagine writing for something like this

[lethal moat]

The mystery is the reason so many of us are still here, and I hope there’s still some of that mystery left even when all is finished

[acoustic osprey]

agreed
mystery and the long run commitment for me

i know i am not a hard core isle gamer
i suck playing this game lol
but i love myself a nice story(stories)
and the casual to regular convos here on lore

[lethal moat]

I’m mediocre, but enjoy the discourse and the community

And the fact that I was able to build my own small community from taking pieces is also something I’m a little proud of

[acoustic osprey]

i can imagine how incredibly tedious and painful it can be, especially once your 'world' becomes a collective of creatives/minds
but something to this degree? (When there are soo many elements ||being actual written lore, worldbuilding, design, etc|| you would like to have pretty much align 1:1?) I cannot fathom that. Very crazy

certainly quite crazy

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-head-nod-yes-yup-gif-9160071

[acoustic osprey]

(i would explode)

[lethal moat]

There are those like Gar who are cursed with knowledge

[hexed forge]

Yeah writing a story and then checking if it even makes sense with the rest of the stuff that you wrote can be EXTREMELY difficult.

[hexed forge]

Who is Gar

[acoustic osprey]

i'll be honest, I would love to do it
but, then again, I do not believe my ability to be of any help
so...

[acoustic osprey]

okxul

[hexed forge]

Pretty much the mindset of every lore person

You would love to have an effect on the lore- but- can you actually do anything...?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
and exactly what Don said, would take away all of the magic

[hexed forge]

Yep

[lethal moat]

Reactivate the Olympus transmitter, put rice on the parts I spilled coffee on

[acoustic osprey]

I'd feel like my honest opinions could definitely be astray for what I'd want
so I feel like I'd conform too much, if that makes any sense
that is why I was a techie and not an artist (professionally)

[hexed forge]

Ohhh yeahhh the guy with the perfect documenting voice

[hexed forge]

Im afraid the rice is not enough

[acoustic osprey]

get some more

[hexed forge]

Minmi can fix it.

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

[lethal moat]

Use a baby austroraptor as a spinge

[hexed forge]

LOL

[hexed forge]

||When legacy is shutting down,
Everyone gathers on legacy for a massive lorehunt for the legacy lore harddrive. If we cant find it in less than 24 hours. We shall never see it again. ||

[acoustic osprey]

turns out
trying to add it in caused Legacy to implode

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-fired-up-rage-angry-gif-17534252

[hexed forge]

I would not even be surprised

[acoustic osprey]

lol

legacy got swept to Tartarus a bit earlier than expected

[lethal moat]

This would get me to play legacy for the first time though

[hexed forge]

Nothing bad about that !

You could realize how much better evrima is

[acoustic osprey]

would you want to be put into lore though?

[hexed forge]

Is this an actual question asking for an opinion or something else

Rhetorical is the word I think

[acoustic osprey]

i don't know
would you want to be put into lore

[hexed forge]

Well yes.

[acoustic osprey]

i see

[hexed forge]

I wouldnt be against it, thats for sure

[hexed forge]

Would you?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-arthur-morgan-arthur-morgan-tb-tuberculosis-arthur-morgan-sick-gif-4076640020124019793

if I had the choice? no

[hexed forge]

Hmmm

[acoustic osprey]

I am one of the most active people in this server and someone who has been in this server for years now
I don't know, just seems a bit biased if I put myself into it all. Especially as someone who strives as someone here as a lore theorist

if i had no choice, I'd have no choice of course.
Unless it was something like a Khorne situation

only really being put into it because 'job well done' in a lore point of view, not community

maybe that seems a bit too humble of me

but that is my general sentiment on it

[hexed forge]

Nono, I agree

[acoustic osprey]

the thought came up to ask because affecting lore is a real interesting topic for me

especially when SoT did something similar with the community picking "X" or "Y" outcome for stuff related to their 'lore'

mid-life existential crisis but the isle lore 😔

[hexed forge]

Earning it. Is better than just being given it for not much reason imo.
That is the honorable way

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
even though 'showing dedication' is nice, as in dedication for being here
that shouldn't meet the prerequisite, definitely

[hexed forge]

mhm

[hexed forge]

I love SoT lore and the game.

However.

I would love for Xbox to work 😊

I missed like 3-4 seasons already I think

Anyway this is offtopic so back to lore.

[acoustic osprey]

||although, if there is a race to 'become part of lore'. I'd let one of you guys get a chance, seeing as you all are new and I had my chance (if you call being part of the community, slightly, early on was good enough||

[acoustic osprey]

i would LOVE for SoT to get better!!!

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-my-time-has-come-gif-8019684

You ^

[acoustic osprey]

nuh uh!!!

[hexed forge]

Wrong reply I suppose?

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bFmjv.gif

[hexed forge]

Lol

[pseudo fable]

Expand on that is reserved for when I'm usually baiting a clown into revealing their little red clown nose and betraying their service to the Honkmother by showing they aren't an actual human being.

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

LOL

I dont know why I found reading that so funny, its so descriptive

[lethal moat]

Don’t worry, I can fix them

[lethal moat]

Have you ever played barotrauma?

[hexed forge]

First you must delete your reddit account

[hexed forge]

No but I watched some videos on it

[lethal moat]

Honkmother evil, also these eggs are tasty, try some

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/eggs-land-before-time-gif-12046333914439900206

[lethal moat]

Woe, Tiger Threshers on ye

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-cat-ai-cat-beer-mage-cat-gif-12868949205036685497

The guacamole is about to cook itself into molten guacamole

[acoustic osprey]

it wasn't crazy or anything
but it happened twice and actually affected the games' following lore and content

Both were pretty sizeable. The whole community was on board.
the way they were orchestrated was fitting for the style of the game, i.e. sandbox with a very limited player count per server (5-6 ships)
Systematically it was a big tug of war game

they got the community divided for if they (for the first event) wanted to save an outpost island or destroy it
if they saved it = island will be improved and more akin to "X" faction
if they destroyed it = island is 'destroyed' and is rebuilt to be more akin to "Y" faction

the second event was about bringing one of two pretty important characters back from
that being one of the good guys and one of the 'bad' guys

that sounds very basic when I write it lol
but the community were all really enthusiastic about it.
I found it very interesting in how it really split the community in two lore-wise
because both options had their pros and cons

it was quite something

yeah, reading that back, sounds very simple
but I can imagine how painful it would've been in the back-end of things for the devs

i remember their website was, especially for the first one, barely working at times or not giving the right numbers

but it was cool.
I'd imagine if you were to 'copy' it into The Isle that, due to the nature and style contrast between the two games, would basically be impossible

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bZFwF.gif

[hexed forge]

Reminds me of the uh

I KEEP FORGETTING THEIR NAMES...

Its the one with where you choose whether to destroy insert important ship or swear an oath and you become the new captain of this ship.
If you control the ship you get "points"? (I forgot what you get) for looting treasure. Or you could just destroy it and get points for that

I think it was season 13?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jurrassic-park-jurassic-park-jurassic-park-movie-richard-attenborough-hammond-gif-24925890

[acoustic osprey]

flameheart's ship, season before this one

[hexed forge]

YEAHH

[acoustic osprey]

the reason that update was made was because of that second event
which was pretty cool

[hexed forge]

I loved that season

[acoustic osprey]

everyone was awaiting his arrival
so the devs actually making it something we'd get to decide was rewarding

[pseudo fable]

Elaborate.

[hexed forge]

Its all fun and games until the sweats just ruin the experience everytime

But it was fun when it worked. Had a lot of fun with friends.

[lethal moat]

Speedrunning hyperendocrine rex

[hexed forge]

Flameheart is an important figure in the lore.
When we last saw him we killed him iirc.

Isaac explains it better lol.

[hexed forge]

Unfortunately its the inevitable

[lethal moat]

Find the weak link and target wherever that is, don't gatekeep information, but there has to be a way to prevent people from abusing it

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-you-can-say-or-do-will-stop-it-dr-mindbender-gi-joe-a-real-american-hero-arise-serpentor-arise-inevitable-gif-17522163

The sweats will always find a way.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-could-whack-her-knee-with-a-bar-or-is-that-too90s-90s-old-school-attack-gif-15821395

[acoustic osprey]

Flameheart has always been this 'teased' element in SoT, especially ever since one of the very first trailers of the game
one of the 'big bads' (dare i say morally questionable though)
the only ever time we've had him physically was a world event revolved around his ghost ship
so not technically 'him'

but yeah, always been teased
it was crazy (from our point of view) that we'd actually get to bring him back into the game properly

the only disappointing thing was that it wasn't very 'dynamic' or anything
the actual event wasn't great, you just had to 'reclaim forts'
a bit twofolded
but the long term beat the short term with the event because we're all pretty much happy the flameheart side won

[hexed forge]

In Elden Ring someone SOMEHOW.. Found out that if you align your frames with something something at angle something something, you somehow get teleported and skip several important sections of the game lol

[acoustic osprey]

although, it is a bit of a limitation due to the style of 'event' they were going for

5-6 crews max per server isn't helpful and they wanted it to be 'big scale' in terms of the community
so you'd have to make it last for quite a while so everyone can try it

[hexed forge]

Imagine 12 crews lol

[lethal moat]

I'm always designated to the crows nest to keep me from the grog

[acoustic osprey]

on one hand
you go their route they took
which sets up all these roadblocks, but allows larger community engagement but a bit of an initial disappointment due to restrictions you have to put it in place because of it

on the other
you go more niche, making it last for however long you want, therefore allowing it to be more (potentially) dynamic and engaging for the audience/gamer upfront

a bit like the TCAM lore hunt
you can imagine how quick it would've been if the whole community were told to do so

[hexed forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rF0C47nbgM

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

I really hope there never becomes any organized competative scene for the isle

At least on officials

[hexed forge]

I mean,

Depending on your definition. It already exists

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of like proper 'meta' gaming, is what Rumple means

[hexed forge]

yes

What do you mean by proper meta gaming tho.

[acoustic osprey]

full on 'i'll use every exploit to ease my way through'

[hexed forge]

Ah that

Nevermind then

[icy onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071391309992046693/1079165379089268766/kot_camp.gif

[acoustic osprey]

classic

[hexed forge]

Lorecord meetup should feel like this

[acoustic osprey]

an event would be interesting in The Isle
I suppose we've already, though, talked about the many routes Don and the team could go though

[acoustic osprey]

let us find some lore in real life

[hexed forge]

yeahh!!

[acoustic osprey]

although, an isle campfire while doing a podcast would be sick

[hexed forge]

Break the 4th wall

Find V3 IRL to find the legacy harddrive

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151598137773920317/1303674673694900255/melonNuke.gif

[patent ginkgo]

No not the cats

[acoustic osprey]

sorry

[acoustic osprey]

surviving the isle while talking about the lore at 3am, IMPOSSIBLE

[lethal moat]

Perish

[hexed forge]

What would you like to see the most? (Event-wise)

[acoustic osprey]

something revolving around ethical dilemmas would be interesting

of course, isle-related stuff

[icy onyx]

Fallen kingdom

[acoustic osprey]

and/or (linked in with potentially, subtextual) something like faction v faction

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[acoustic osprey]

a bit hard right now seeing as what can i really go off right now

and when do we play as well would affect this as well

but there are so so many directions an Isle event could go though

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah, I had an idea awhile ago.

Gen2s needing to recapture the entire island. Each sector they capture, the spawns in that area would disable. Continues until all spawns are enabled. In that case Gen2s would win. All dinosaurs have to do is hold them back until x date to win.

Not the brightest idea but I thought I would mention it

Not sure how it would correlate to lore tho lol

Instead of capturing sectors you could just destroy replicator sub-systems throughout the island.

Which would count as "capturing" I suppose

[acoustic osprey]

i would like Gen2 v Gen2 stuff though
not a real big fan of Gen2 v Dino stuff

depends on context though

[hexed forge]

Why would gen2 fight other gen2 in lore tho.

[acoustic osprey]

Internal factions
internal mafias
opposing factions giving external influence
the replicator giving influence
etc

[hexed forge]

Mmmm I see

[lethal moat]

Would they have a reason to not to?

[hexed forge]

I mean they are all working for the same cause.

Unless there is a small group forming that does not believe in AE's cause or the what AE is doing to achieve that cause

[lethal moat]

Do they know they're working for a cause, or are they thrown onto a dinosaur infested island and told to have fun?

[acoustic osprey]

and what cause is that?

[hexed forge]

Why would they not

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[acoustic osprey]

how do we know how they are there and what Gen2s are doing there

[lethal moat]

Are Gen 2 an experiment, a tool, or both?

[hexed forge]

Both, I believe

[acoustic osprey]

what is the state of AE?
we know there are, within AE, 'factions' (not the best term, but in reference to how not every side of AE knows the other side)

[lethal moat]

At the same time?

[hexed forge]

Oh true, currently, we dont know what the status of AE is. Like, after Gateway was abandoned atleast

They could be broken up

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, we're yet to know 😔

unless we do know, just don't know that we know

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tomato-think-hmmm-contemplate-gif-9746919

[hexed forge]

Brainwashed by AE

Or potentially Minmi

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-woohoo-jump-happy-delighted-gif-16531599

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/sTmQcqm7BO8.gif

I really hope the lore is not some massive let down. 😅

[lethal moat]

I'm sure I'll enjoy it, it's more about the journey than the destination for me at this point

[acoustic osprey]

you've done a solid job so far Don, like seriously 👍
I try to be as critical as I can, but it has been good

and, if you've made something that you enjoy
that is always going to be the best outcome, even if not everyone 'likes it'

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/wk7N.gif

[hexed forge]

We'll enjoy it.
So far we loved the lore.
And Im excited for the future and what it has planned

[hexed forge]

The community built along the way

I was going to send a Vin diesal family gif but I resisted the urge

[acoustic osprey]

haha

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/family-toretto-dominic-gif-23895685

[acoustic osprey]

we were getting close to that point
ah, there you go

[lethal moat]

The real lore was the friends we made along the way

[hexed forge]

Lol

[lethal moat]

Silliness

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/XOLq.gif

You have no idea how applicable that is.