isle-lore-theories

[icy onyx]

oh i thought it was a hybrid of a rex and a croc or smth, neat

[hexed forge]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[pulsar sentinel]

where in the world is the isle from the isle locate?

[lethal moat]

We aren't sure where Gateway is, nor Spiro, all we do is guess

[pulsar sentinel]

okay thank you for answering my query

[hexed forge]

Most of us have agreed to the theory that says Gateway is in Southeast Asia/Oceania.

[pulsar sentinel]

are the flora consistent to one region?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/impractical-jokers-sal-vulcano-james-murray-sal-and-murr-sal-and-murr-falls-down-laughing-gif-21643638

Nope, there's stuff from all over because ✨ genetic engineering⭐

[hexed forge]

Nope.

[pulsar sentinel]

I bet that annoys the thousands of botanists who play the isle

[lethal moat]

@patent ginkgo

[patent ginkgo]

mhm

though im not truly a botanist

[serene hare]

WOAH WHEN WAS THIS?

[lethal moat]

Fanmade

[serene hare]

Oh

[lofty swallow]

#fan-art-discussion

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[fast forge]

what is this from?

[lethal moat]

#fan-art-discussion message

[lethal moat]

[autumn elbow]

its rough

[snow jasper]

oh thats an emoji

[zealous nest]

i think the isle is the friends we made alongside the way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055518642504220713/1284227778706935998/SPOILER_togif.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1060231686425690183/1236282725246304286/VID_GIF-1695923991.gif

[lofty swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/1315228216239067216/IMG_1820.gif

[icy onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1124743993838813295.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=catChips

[hexed forge]

Do we think AE would name their ships? If they own any.

[meager junco]

Most vessels have names so probably

[valid geyser]

continuation, I wonder what they’d name their ships

[median shuttle]

they'd just be named theseus ship 1 through X

[hexed forge]

lol

[hexed forge]

In sea of thieves,

I named one of my ships AE Achilles

Just picked a random greek character I could remember from the top of my head .

[lethal moat]

Atlas is the best greek character and I will die on this hill

[hexed forge]

Lol

[pale marsh]

clearly the best figure in greek myth is iris, for absolutely unbiased reasons

[hexed forge]

Wow

[lofty swallow]

absolutely unbiased

[acoustic osprey]

i was going to ping you, then realised it was YOU

[pale marsh]

it is me, the one and only

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-planet-eater-unicron-transformers-gif-10944298

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-gif-14232580470138149785

Iris

[pale marsh]

what is that, gundam?

[acoustic osprey]

unicron

sorry 😔

[pale marsh]

unicorn, gotcha

[acoustic osprey]

yay!!

[hexed forge]

Unicorn...

[acoustic osprey]

i had a thought about something this morning but i forgot, a shame

[acoustic osprey]

however, yes. It is quite likely so
even if it isn't mythos-related (which, some boats were), i would imagine all would to some degree have a name

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmm, yeah, I was mainly asking because there were only so many Greek names that you could name a ship with. But I guess using some non-greek mytho name from time to time could work.

[lethal moat]

The obvious one being the Argo

[acoustic osprey]

i would probably be shoving more greek mythos-related ships into things that aren't really physical ships, tbf

making it less straight forward and more metaphorical

[lofty swallow]

when the lore is loring

[hexed forge]

Soon

[lethal moat]

Lets start making stuff and rolling with it until we get something right

[hexed forge]

Maybe we get lucky and get GUTS hubs along with glance sheets this HT.

Hope.

[hexed forge]

Does AE have their own satellites.

[lethal moat]

I like working with ideology, which I imagine changes as AE's capabilities change

[lethal moat]

Probably

[acoustic osprey]

well, they do have dishes

[hexed forge]

Would be cool if there is an Apollo subsidiary dedicated to space stuff.

Apollo's space program.

[acoustic osprey]

apollo 11

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[lofty swallow]

come on it was in the name cerato

[lethal moat]

AE goes from making food, to engineering plants to slow climate change or reduce it's effects, to making animals that can withstand climate change, to making environments that can withstand/outlast climate change, to making assets to alleviate perceived issues with those environments

Tracks with a sort of hierarchy of needs situation

[hexed forge]

Are you saying that they are changing their goal?

[lethal moat]

I think that it's smarter to take things in stages to make your plans more flexible, you get one thing before beginning to focus on the next

[acoustic osprey]

i'd say their goal is expanding

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmm

[lethal moat]

In my experience, the best plans are short term and set you up for better situations later on, and this also makes it easier to bounce back if something bad happens, unless you either gamble big on something, make major errors in earlier plans, or both

[acoustic osprey]

i love doing one-year goals
your one-year goals should and are, by default, your nice to achieve goals

very healthy, gets you thinking less about the far future
which can stress you out a lot

and more focused on you living in the now

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[burnt wharf]

Loreage

[lethal moat]

And an advantage of that, if you discover what you’ve done is either more or less capable than you thought, you can change your plan to suit those different parameters

[icy onyx]

lore lore

[fierce cradle]

Hey guyz whats a neurotonic Mastermind?

[lethal moat]

Also known as "The Echidna" or "The mother of Cannibals" in legacy, it was a humanoid neurotenic strain

[carmine sail]

Why an Echidna?

[fierce cradle]

Will it ever come in the game ... not in recent i guedd

[lethal moat]

Echidna is the greek monster that birthed many many other monsters

[carmine sail]

Oh

[lethal moat]

Maybe one day

[carmine sail]

If not playable then it will likely get the Ben treatment

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[fierce cradle]

And whats tartarus

[lethal moat]

Tartarus: Theorized massive holding facility for strains and other creations, such as The Matriarch in Legacy. Has been used as a threat as a holding area for employees who betray company secrets or access restricted documents.

[fierce cradle]

Jail is it?

[lethal moat]

Maybe somewhat

Read this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0

[nimble fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929072541966958713/1278138983661965377/caption.gif

[fierce cradle]

I hope they add this concepts in game

[lethal moat]

Which one?

[fierce cradle]

Tartarus , mother of cannibals

and there is a whole iceberg

I saw

[carmine sail]

I think someone is planning on making an iceberg video

[lethal moat]

Tartarus is in Evrima lore, and the echidna was still planned last I checked

[lethal moat]

Isaac is yeah

[fierce cradle]

Tartarus can be a whole new map

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-gif-9317795978879754762

[patent ginkgo]

Under the map, perhaps

[lethal moat]

Maybe, I'd rather Tartarus be a massive underground facility than it's own map

[fierce cradle]

Whats Novaraptor

[lethal moat]

Irrelevant

[lofty swallow]

JP3 vibes would be really sick, if there was a lab with failled experiments in tubes (e.g, ben)

[icy onyx]

yes make ben playable

[patent ginkgo]

Novaraptor was a primal carnage thing right

[carmine sail]

Wasn't that game connected to the Isle a while ago?

[fierce cradle]

Are there any cave drawings in the game ?

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah. Even into evrima.

[lethal moat]

Not yet

[carmine sail]

There is actually a cool cave system currently in game, but it is blocked off

[fierce cradle]

Under developement I guess

[patent ginkgo]

We had some on the older spiro map but I think they want to fully finish the current map before they add in such small details, if at all

[fierce cradle]

if u go admin mode u cant enter those places

[carmine sail]

You can actually see it now with admin, it's at the volcano hidden behind the walls left of the entrence

[patent ginkgo]

They may end up going for a more animalistic design for Gen 1 than previously as well

[fierce cradle]

Is it?

I never saw

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[carmine sail]

It's blocked off

[lethal moat]

That kind of what I hope for

[patent ginkgo]

Mhm

[fierce cradle]

actually im referring to this from reddit

[patent ginkgo]

I’d love for Gen 1 to be essentially the reason for the uncanny valley effect

[lethal moat]

Outdated

This is kinda loud

[carmine sail]

Troodon also has a bit of lore

Accidently replied

[patent ginkgo]

Man I’d love that bit of lore to be fleshed out for us

[hexed forge]

Maybe with a troodon glance sheet.

Since we got some new glance sheets, soon...

[fierce cradle]

He comes once a month ...brings storm and goes away

[lethal moat]

It's less than that

[hexed forge]

yay

[lofty swallow]

that's gonna be awesome for horror, especially if/when strains like neuro get added

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=6562fdb7&is=655088b7&hm=80fb679a714555687d61311e125ea77476090c97560ee811c0512c880383e75d&

[fierce cradle]

what are strains?

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0 Read this

[fierce cradle]

u r the author

[lethal moat]

With significant help from others

[fierce cradle]

Who knows maybe dondi secretly asks u for lore help

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-writing-blackbeard-feather-writing-heresy-gif-4408192544333034740

[lethal moat]

We just collect all the stuff we think we know there that remains relevant

[fierce cradle]

Do they have anyone who writes this lore

[hexed forge]

Im hoping for the return of Site 12 eventually,

I have a strong feeling it has already been indirectly mentioned, but if not, I hope it comes back.

[patent ginkgo]

Would love if Don asked me for help with the botany lore

[patent ginkgo]

Dondi

[lethal moat]

Just Dondi, with some help from the other devs on occasion for feedback stuff I believe

[hexed forge]

^

[fierce cradle]

Hey Dondi ...if ur seeing this ...good job .... now please explain some of the mystries

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[fierce cradle]

Thats literally me rn

[lethal moat]

That's all of us

[patent ginkgo]

That’s us all the time

[lethal moat]

Want an invite to the lore server?

[fierce cradle]

I already have

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-jumpscare-jump-fall-animal-gif-11415143013926375079

[patent ginkgo]

Wow that server has grown so much

[fierce cradle]

U r a very active memeber there

[lethal moat]

I plan on writing something out about it on thanksgiving

[hexed forge]

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah I was the fourth member ever there as well

[fierce cradle]

nice

[lethal moat]

It's a fun community that's grown over the course of over a year now

[patent ginkgo]

Yippee

[lofty swallow]

I remember when I was special for being one of the few people apart of it

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah same… the good old days

[lethal moat]

Special is a good description for that time of lorecord lol

[patent ginkgo]

Then it got really crazy, then calmed down. A bit

[hexed forge]

That cursed video is still in lorecord memes.

I would love to vote to vaporize it

[icy onyx]

lorecord😱

[lofty swallow]

sign a petition

[hexed forge]

So far its pretty calm.

Thankfully lel

[patent ginkgo]

Daviid is secretly a super lore nerd.

[hexed forge]

Don alt account.

[patent ginkgo]

So true

[lethal moat]

It's gone

[hexed forge]

Yahoo

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-remember-v-for-vendetta-happy-guy-fawkes-day-the5th-of-november-gif-12829141

[icy onyx]

its 9th of december

[hexed forge]

December 17th...

January 19th...

God.

[lethal moat]

Semantics

[carmine sail]

I made one because I felt like it

[hexed forge]

Im planning to make a Maia one just like I did with Dibble and Stego

[carmine sail]

Does the Troodon Sheet I made sound accurate?

[hexed forge]

Lemme read it rq.

[icy onyx]

idk i cant hear it

[fierce cradle]

You guyz do podcastst too >

[hexed forge]

Imo, this should be referring to an actual report on Troodon. Not just the camera itself.

[lethal moat]

Yep

[fierce cradle]

You , lightclaw

[carmine sail]

I was making a reference to the video where Troodons chased Beipi

[lethal moat]

I'm the main host, everyone else comes and goes as their availability allows

[fierce cradle]

nice !

[hexed forge]

TCAM Observation Report: Troodon # 002

Something like that maybe,

Maybe..

[fierce cradle]

what troodon speaks now?

[hexed forge]

I speak

[carmine sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URwssUPgv3w

[lethal moat]

Troodon mimicry is still a hope of mine

[carmine sail]

That part was a reference to this

[patent ginkgo]

Micheal the troodon hunter

[icy onyx]

spiro🥹

[hexed forge]

" Calls of|| insert dino|| Juveniles can still be heard,"

[fierce cradle]

troodins

[carmine sail]

Reference to voice mimicry

[hexed forge]

Because it could be misinterpreted as Troodon Juveniles, or just not that specific creature that was removed from co-habitation.

[hexed forge]

Si, but still.

[hexed forge]

For lore, it would be nice..

But for gameplay imo, Oviraptor fits it better.

[carmine sail]

Not really, it fits Troodon more

Lore and gameplay wise

Ovi having it would be too situational since its only real purpose is to lure things away from their nest which can easily backfire making them think that it is instead an Ovi, Troodon is much less situational so it can lure things pretty much anytime and have a reason so they could hunt

[lethal moat]

I want Ovi to be a racoon

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-disappear-trying-to-save-my-salary-melt-gif-9874114

[lethal moat]

I do hope dinosaurs will inconvenience humans just as much as they murder them, even if the dinos aren’t aware of it

[acoustic osprey]

https://icebergcharts.com/i/The_Isle_Lore_Legacy__Evrima/image

[patent ginkgo]

Deinos blocking boat ramps because they want to bask

[hexed forge]

Pipes?

[cerulean summit]

You have a podcast?! What is it?

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-back-business-working-gif-19235254

Reminds me of this scene in JP lol

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, looks like it is part of the HUB somewhere
maybe a maintaince passage

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

like here

[hexed forge]

oh wow

[acoustic osprey]

wonder if we can get in there
looks really tight and would be real scary to die in lol

[hexed forge]

This is exactly why we need Compy as a playable.

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!! (troodon....)

[hexed forge]

NO

But yeah

I hope these images are taken on the actual map, and not the Dev Test branch... (Likely is the test branch)

[acoustic osprey]

this puts me back to when we asked Visual what runs AE's islands (what power source)

[hexed forge]

Enter: TRANSISTOR.

[acoustic osprey]

i want to say it is in the dev map

but
it also has a bush there

and you can just see some bushed in the back as well

which makes me think it won't be in Dockyard

[acoustic osprey]

the reason why i say this is because the floor looks like it (behind the rex)

because it has the criss cross flooring

because the dblog was 100% in the dev map

from the 2nd last dblog that is

[hexed forge]

Another entrance into perimeter perhaps.

[acoustic osprey]

can't really tell with the latest dblog

[acoustic osprey]

potentially
but that wouldn't make sense

because wouldn't the GUTS HUB not be connected quite literally to it?
as that, per what you said, would infer you're walking into The Atrium (which would be were the HUB is, being that entrance goes into it)

[hexed forge]

Hmmm, Didnt Don say that it was on the dev map tho?

Like, yesterday lol

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

but it feels quite funky having bushes in front of it

[acoustic osprey]

but i'm talking about this though

it would not make sense as direct and immediate entrance into The Atrium

[hexed forge]

I guess so

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/definitely-maybe-romance-comedy-ryan-reynolds-yep-gif-5008341450946414225

[fast forge]

have we checked to see if this is in the HT?

[acoustic osprey]

i doubt it would be in if no one has really said anything about it, but we can look

[hexed forge]

Yes

Ive been there as ptera.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-its-not-in-there-not-in-there-not-there-garfield-a-tail-of-two-kitties-gif-22710529

[acoustic osprey]

i am just waiting to see if they have updated and readded the replay filters for the next HT patch

[cerulean summit]

What's it called?

[acoustic osprey]

guess...
lol

[hexed forge]

Bob Smith's Thoughts Podcast

[acoustic osprey]

it wasn't creative but it gets to the point

[acoustic osprey]

if i knew whom that was, sure!

[cerulean summit]

Thank you!

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-act-like-you-don't-know-this-errol-special-ops-lioness-you-knew-this-already-you-know-very-well-gif-14875677717236531234

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/okey-dokey-lucy-maclean-fallout-okay-yes-gif-16336074029833686822

[patent ginkgo]

i beleive some episodes are also on youtube but its WIP

[cerulean summit]

Is it on spotify or apple podcast or?

[patent ginkgo]

spotify

[cerulean summit]

Sweet! Thanks!

[patent ginkgo]

no problem!

always happy to spread the word of lore

[cerulean summit]

[fast forge]

fwiw I flew out to the big southeast island yesterday, didn't see anything new

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190479571762548807/1289336513166835763/Car_Garn47.gif

[hexed forge]

Lol

[fierce cradle]

I listened to the podcast yesterday night .... It was very good 😊😊

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/robotnik-locked-in-farmboy64monet-farmboy64-eggman-gif-9130093786724672043

[lethal moat]

Did I miss a stream?

[fierce cradle]

Lightclaw and Rum gave a very informative but fun lore details

Sorry if my English looks a bit rusty

[acoustic osprey]

no

[lethal moat]

Sweet

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

just checked HT for a sec
seems to be no replay effects yet

so it seems like the first version having it was an early mistake
and likely won't be in game for some time

[lethal moat]

That sounds like something that could go well with the UI update tbh

[acoustic osprey]

😔

we only have one of the 4 mentioned atm
so there is a chance

[fast forge]

Not sure how long they've all been around, but I keep finding new little paths and roads, especially on the east coast

[acoustic osprey]

do send photos and coords if you can

they should show on vulnona if they are pre-existing

[fast forge]

Starts here, behind this tidepool (hard to see in the rain)

Looks like it was cut into the hill

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[acoustic osprey]

i can kinda see a bend here
but not sure if it is a road though
hmm

[fast forge]

Just goes from a beach on the west side of the little peninsula (a south-facing coast)
to the beach on the east side of the little peninsula (an east-facing coast)

I think it's just a cute little path from one beach to another

Facing west

I didn't take screenshots but I found more roads leading away from port, still covered by trees and vegetation

that was earlier today

[glacial ravine]

Oh I have been noticing those little sand paths!!!!

[hexed forge]

That has been in

There was a mud pool down that path before, but now it's removed sadly.

[hexed forge]

Oh well this ravine is new

I guess they expanded it hmm

Was referring to this path specifically existing before. It would connect to one of the actual paths in east Plains.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/me-watching-my-past-self-interstellar-meme-watching-past-gif-25439819

[solar bobcat]

i was there as maia. it has a lot oof hills by sides, dificulting the pass

[compact zodiac]

Lore

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-ryan-gosling-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-gif-16656282564050572731

[compact zodiac]

am I insane yet?

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit Read this first

[hexed forge]

And then you must join Lorecord
||And be part of the ritual ||

[cerulean summit]

Lorecord?

[hexed forge]

Lore server

[compact zodiac]

oookay, that was a lot.

[acoustic osprey]

if you have any questions, feel free to ask ahead

[compact zodiac]

I mean, sources of this information?

[acoustic osprey]

sure
can give if needed

[compact zodiac]

I see the videos, anmd stuff but....

[acoustic osprey]

but more so better explanations or more context to things

[lethal moat]

Lots of it are quotes from here and streams, which aren't perfect, but it's better than nothing

[hexed forge]

I just had a thought come to my mind, and I'll just say it here before I forget since Im about to go to sleep.

With the new UI, and the spawn codes(Allows you to spawn with friends.)

You could technically name the feature "Group Injections" to "Lorify" it.

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[acoustic osprey]

info on the replay filters

(2nd is a replay about TCAM filter being added to the filters)

[fast forge]

There is a rock wall covering the river mouth now, but it doesn't have a hitbox like the one in front of the swamp tunnel

Might mean they are working on it, but it could also just be a result of changes behind the scenes idk

[acoustic osprey]

nice
sounds like east is getting more attention
potentially dome is being placed there again but more complete? (in the future)

OR this is near/at the first GUTS HUB

[acoustic osprey]

would make sense the changes would be a cue to something bigger,
but who knows

[fast forge]

I miss hunting players as herrera in this ravine

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

imagine we're hinted at 1000 lives through some speculative theory via a lore video or in-game
then we try and live through a 1000 lives
and nothing happens

[lethal moat]

I don't think thousand lives is literal

[acoustic osprey]

why

[lofty swallow]

it'd be really cool if the game kept track of how many times you died in a certain server, and once you died for the 1000th time it gave an achievement/easter egg

[lethal moat]

It seems a bit arbitrary tbh

[acoustic osprey]

why even have it named it as so though

and with legacy, One thousand lives. That's what you owe Apollo

[lofty swallow]

cuz uh, it sounds neat

[acoustic osprey]

yes it is legacy

but, to be fair, we don't have the contract hard confirmed in current lore yet

[fast forge]

Oh there's a road that runs past east lake now, that isn't on vulnona

[acoustic osprey]

nice, send coords

[fast forge]

-174,663.548, 438,321.433, 30,222.755

runs between the lake and the sanc

[lethal moat]

I doubt that internal documents would call it thousand life contract, it seems very show boaty and impressive, not very suited at all for internal memoirs discussing it

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of Legacy, i don't see it being something else
unless it has an official formal mythos-related name

but it still being related to what it is
1000 lives contract

[acoustic osprey]

interesting
not surprised to see changes with the new caves

always good to see though
really curious on the final product of these roads, because it would have to be human with the thickness of them

[lethal moat]

Idk, I think there's way too much left unknown about EIPs and the thousand life contract for my taste

[acoustic osprey]

for Legacy? I disagree

[fast forge]

Human path - relatively straight

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[fast forge]

Here you can see an animal path split off from the road. I know it's an animal path because it leads to a break in the fence

also it's winding and slightly more narrow

[acoustic osprey]

hopefully those animal made paths are updated
and actual human paths have more tire-based tracks

[fast forge]

here you can see the game trail kinda blends with patchy vegetation

[acoustic osprey]

but if you're talking about evrima
i don't know, can't really say. Realistically, we've had zero lore on either EIPs and contracts. But yeah.
my original comment, i suppose, was more so if they bring it back fully akin from Legacy - being just a goof 😔 a whimsical hope for interactive lore in the future

[acoustic osprey]

fair

[lethal moat]

I feel like a lot has changed from legacy, and that we rely on it more than we should, as a guide for potential theories, sure, but not as a basis

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say we rely on it more than we should
from most talks, we're mostly pretty sceptical

we've had mentions of old things from Don being put back in
like EIPs and Thousand Life Contract
and i would say because we have very little on Evrima on themes (besides Body is a Cage ||again but with music||) and general style of lore itself, not the materials
So generally we have a presumed backdrop to things, but those things (that we do rely on) are pretty minute and don't really affect much of our general thoughts tbf - at least to what i'd argue

[lethal moat]

Fair

[lethal moat]

I do hope we get some sort of i formation on human characters at some point in the coming year, like executives or scientists

[lofty swallow]

when the lore is loring

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-maybe-some-day-someday-one-day-gif-26036494

[acoustic osprey]

very very sane thought

the images are named ACR1 and 2
do you think Acros acronym (?) / shortened (profile? synth?) title would be ACR

as in
ACR.12-S.177 (for example)

not really something that crazy
but just a thought

it literally is just "Acr"ocanthosaurus

[pseudo fable]

(It was so I could label the screenshots correctly and also put "acro" in the first title image with some desaturation to get that dirty dirty unspoilered splash on people whom have grown weary of clicking the original image's now infamous spoiler brown tint.)

[zenith frigate]

I'm gonna ignore you and listen to the evil guacamole who only speaks the truth.

[acoustic osprey]

lol fair

i assumed it was basically something along those lines

i wouldn't even assume you'd have a proper lore name for them yet until they were more physically closer to release lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-tenth-doctor-david-tennant-point-u-no-u-gif-24987731

[pseudo fable]

No, it's probably just going to be ACRO.

[acoustic osprey]

oh nice, sounds pretty quick and straight to the point

4 digits on purpose though?

[pseudo fable]

uwillc.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-alec-guinness-obi-wan-kenobi-serious-think-gif-5199304

[pseudo fable]

Oh.

Wait.

I just realized.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-laughing-monster-inc-joke-but-seriously-gif-3376858

we shall see... 😔 lol

have to be alert for some 4 letter digit names

for the future that is

don't know why that didn't send

[alpine lynx]

lore.

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

hi night

[alpine lynx]

hello

i just got awaken after seeing the acro model

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[alpine lynx]

looks way more diffirent than i expected

its looks like the legacy one to be honest

[hexed forge]

4 digits..

Herrera and Rex are 3 digits right?

It might be 4 digits because of some other creature that took the ACR name maybe.

[acoustic osprey]

yes

HRS and TYR

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

we shall see for why 4...

[hexed forge]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

Unless

Don didn't realize that you were talking about the Synth names

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

nah

[acoustic osprey]

^

[hexed forge]

Hmmm

[icy onyx]

thinker

[waxen sequoia]

Could it be a new dinosaur?\

[acoustic osprey]

The acro!!

#isle-phase-three

[spark egret]

allo….. ………… …

[fast forge]

what does this mean?
#isle-lore-theories message

[valid geyser]

Either lore or a funny way to say “you will see”

Now to decide which it is

[patent ginkgo]

Clearly it must be lore. Couldn’t be anything else.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-and-it-isn't-simpsons-elephant-it-is-it-isn't-gif-2767182714456734666

[patent ginkgo]

Random but I hope we get lore tidbits via Herrera dewlap Morse code in future videos

[lethal moat]

You see that right there? That tiny blinking light in the background Augustus is giving us the keycode to tartarus

[patent ginkgo]

Bonus points if it’s not glowing and just the motion

[hexed forge]

U will c

It's "You will see"

Don't overthink it lol

[lethal moat]

Nononono, it clearly means why dinos

Trust

[lofty swallow]

when the AC turns into a dinosaur:

[fast forge]

I first read it in bed, while half-asleep, so I was very confused. But this makes plenty of sense, ty

[pine bramble]

:0 Im back man

I got my stuff back 🙂

@fast forge bro im backkkk

[icy onyx]

i might be wrong but i think this guy is back

however i have no idea how this is connected to apollo engineering

[hexed forge]

So true

[acoustic osprey]

quote from Punch

[hallow ruin]

i truly love that isle devs and especially punch n dondi have this logic in mind, this will keep the isle an interesting topic for ever.

[acoustic osprey]

just reminds me of some of my faults here, especially, with lore.
I think it often seems like i must have everything
the truth is, i do suppose, is that i already know we can't get everything

especially the case with ERRANT-291

however, i think it is important to remember for creatives, directors, etc
that creating a world - a story - a lore
still means you would have to put in effort yourself for things that you plan for no one to see

with what Punch describes
it can definitely lure in creators/artists/etc to a pathway in their writing that is lazy - where, such creators may think that because it would be suitable to keep something a mystery, they (in terms of internally with the creator in their own private books/etc) don't need to actually have written anything down to an explanation for "X" mystery

this is not to say THIS is what Dondi is doing!!! (because, that would mean I would know how he writes, what he writes, etc - which i don't) ... and also I trust Don as a creative writer in his own world
but, just something i was thinking about earlier today after Punch said this

like, it felt indirectly pointed towards me and others.
As in, I realised how it may actually seem to Don or just general 3rd parties (randos on the discord, YT, etc) how literally 'insane' but also demanding (excuse the high modality) we are for a singular person to constantly produce 'content' for us; whilst him also being the director of the game, etc.

but i don't know, this is just what i was thinking about

especially the case with ERRANT-291
with this
the case where a lot of characters are mostly one time things

I suppose this means their direct mysteries won't ever be solved

but - and this is the part where creatives should aim this writing style as per what Punch said …
this is where the broader and larger themes/issues/thematical mysteries (etc) linked around these characters should start to be linked together by the people

I should say that this part would be pretty hard
it is the more 'art' part, trying to craft everything together intelligently.

but that is the hope, i do suppose, for once more stuff comes our way whenever and however
especially looking at ARCHIVE (7)

[hexed forge]

Let the community fill in some parts of the lore I guess.
A way to get the community involved.

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no, i say

to an extent, 50/50 on it
where on one hand
it sounds like the community should have to fill in these

where, to be fair, i think some things should be left blank

of course, on the other, how do you stop people doing that? You can't

but i suppose
it is more so about getting the community, not to try and confuse themselves with their own head canon
and more so try to get down on the bigger picture

than the tiny details

rather than NEEDING to have a MatPat to solve everything (metaphorically, that is, as MatPat would be one of the biggest roots in gaming and media to why people want to KNOW everything)

of course, community interaction should be always there
but this is the point of YouTube and this channel (and/or even this server), i do suppose

however, generally, just for us here - or at least, just for me
if we do feel bored, i of course would be fine to do whatever we want with our own head canons

but just as a forewarning
say, try not to get wrapped up in your own biases that may form from these head canons
which is natural, of course

[hexed forge]

mhm

[pine bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/im-back-chat-gif-15597853177093401914

yes I have returned from the great beyond The staff team choose my fate it was not my time yet.

[lethal moat]

My favorite part is writing in the missing parts, and seeing if I’m right, if I’m not, I have more info to work witg

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah I also realized that, with the growing popularity of the game’s lore, there’s been a shift in the lore community to a more demanding and consumption-oriented point of view, which I’m sure has had an effect on Don in particular.

Though of course, I’m one of those people who genuinely want everything to be explained. But I would also love to explain some of those things myself.

The biggest issue with which is that I don’t want to create my own lore just for that to be outdone by official lore released later.

[fast forge]

The whole isle community has been very demanding for the entire year I've been here, and probably much longer, so I imagine it's something with which don and the other devs have come to terms

And while I don't think our corner in the lore community is quite as bad, we can still be demanding

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo but wrong chat !!!!

[fast forge]

I try to be temperate myself, but that might be a reflection of my age

[hexed forge]

Always has been very demanding, ever since evrimas release atleast.

[pine bramble]

oops

[acoustic osprey]

that is fun
but in the context of this, this is more about those missing parts being never publicly solved
where the singular mystery isn't really meant to be solved — more so, for me, the mystery itself aiming towards bigger aspects

[patent ginkgo]

The lore community used to be much more theoretical, in that instead of constantly analyzing the facts contained within any new lore drop, categorizing them, and being done, we would be constantly building new world theories based on very little and then building off of each other’s ideas.

[fast forge]

Was I the change in that? I feel like I tend to be the "I hate to break it to you, but that's unlikely" person in this chat

[patent ginkgo]

No it was a very slow change that came about with increased popularity I think

I only got here a bit before that change felt like it started

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say we started getting more demanding directly
especially looking back at 2018-2019
basically all games these days in general (as per Tinys comment after yours) have always been, for the last definite 10 years, very consumer focused towards continued support for the customer— rather than trying to create the complete experience for launch
nothing bad about this, but everything has its own repercussions

where this type of content creation leads to people 'always' wanting more for a game
and one of these things they want more of is stories and lore, especially the last 10 years due to people like MatPat

but if i compare 2018 and now
you could definitely say people now are more 'demanding' without context
but that is only due to the nature of Evrima itself not being anywhere near 'complete'

where, in terms of 2018's design of the game, it was practically pretty 'done'

and so, therefore, when The Isle started to get pretty big in 2018 and 2019
The Isle lore really became a big thing to people here

[fast forge]

I grew up with physical media for video games, at least in my early life
When you bought an NES game, that was it, that was the game, and so many of them were ridiculously scuffed

[acoustic osprey]

therefore Dondi was posting a lot more in 2018 and early 2019 than anything else, really

[acoustic osprey]

oh yes, this is not to say every piece of work is going to be perfect
but this was at a time when games were pretty fresh in the world and a lot more games were created to be a one off thing (and onto the next title)
and even then, into the 2000s and very early 2010s

a lot of those games only had support to fix those launch bugs
and that was it

[lethal moat]

Bring back fun lore chat!

[acoustic osprey]

rename isle lore theories to isle lore discussion!!

[hexed forge]

Matpat truly did inspire people to be interested in the lore of the game they are playing on.

Heck I would say he even inspired many developers to be more interested in making the "storyline/lore" of the game they are making.

[acoustic osprey]

MatPat's rise was both good as is it bad

on one hand
people should be very critical and inquisitive when reading, watching, thinking upon art

therefore creatives are made and pushed to actually think about their game, if they're going to create some proper stories and lore

knowing that a lot of films, shows, etc, can be pretty messy
people WANT stories that make sense

i'm up to the point in Doctor Who where things are starting to not really make sense
because Doctor Who was getting REALLY popular again during that time
therefore the writers got real lazy

and on the other hand
it got a lot of people to demand and expect everything to have this

sometimes things don't make sense
sometimes it is made for fun. Not every action is supposed to be hyper serious

sometimes things are quite literal 'magic'
(aka. They're not supposed to make sense)

[hexed forge]

I would say that kinda happened in The Isle too.

Especially during the 2018-19 times. SPECIFICALLY, with CCH.

"oh hey lets make this cool collab with another somewhat popular game that includes dinosaurs"

[acoustic osprey]

and therefore you get people who overanalyse but overanalyse way way too much to the point of it pushing them to want more

due to a little friend we call desensitisation

then they chew off the rest of the 'art' in terms of its lore

and now you're bored? go to the next game/media/thingo

[fast forge]

This is amplified by things like social media and smartphones, where everyone is getting more and more accustomed to instant gratification, instantly knowing the answer to a question
I think this in particular is a double-edged sword

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say Don got lazy
we just never got what was shown because... well... another matter

[acoustic osprey]

dopamine!!!!

the real candy

[hexed forge]

Introduction of the Matriarch !!
(But not really since Don couldve adjusted the lore to make it make sense into the lore at that time. We knew very little lore.)

Basically Im saying that the introduction of the matriarch into the lore was because of community pressure iirc.

[hexed forge]

Ah yea, not calling him lazy. Definitely not.

[acoustic osprey]

no not really
unless you're talking about in Evrima? which, i don't really know
didn't really seem like that

The Matriarch was his before Tapwing did her works, in terms of legacy

[hexed forge]

In legacy,

I was rewatching one of MeatyLocks videos and he was talking about the community wanting The Matriarch to become canon after Tapwing became an official isle developer.

Atleast thats what I understood it as.

[hexed forge]

Woah

I watched Meatylocks videos out of order then

Or I missed the part where he talked about it

oopsie uhh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26069546

[acoustic osprey]

her artworks were in 2017
the oldest ideas of her was in roughly 2016

hard to find info on that because old discord is gone
but posts like these

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=679871396

people were making of the matriarch prior to having Tapwing making anything

[hexed forge]

Interesting

[lofty swallow]

lore

[acoustic osprey]

it is so

[patent ginkgo]

I made a few edits to the lore doc, just grammar and such nothing much

[patent ginkgo]

Why do I get notifications for reactions now

[lethal moat]

Gross

[valid geyser]

Yeah I’m not sure if there’s a setting to change that but I hope there is soon.

[scarlet verge]

I think there is. I just looked

Settings > Notifications > Reaction Notifications

[valid geyser]

Oh good

Why don’t they advertise it as possible

[scarlet verge]

I don't know. I just noticed it yesterday when I got a notification. I felt like there had to be a way. That would get annoying quick

[patent ginkgo]

Discord try not to make itself worse every update challenge impossible

[patent ginkgo]

STOP

Ok I finally found where to disabled them

[icy onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1197656501465124905/1289705665857585305/bounce.gif

[forest vault]

I just rewatched incident report Augustus and I learned stuff

[lethal moat]

It’s really neat

[forest vault]

I love how they gave curtain specimen names

[hexed forge]

Dean also exists

[hallow ruin]

afaik i watched it 5 times and every single time i found out smth new, tho i stop every frame and read/see it all
i love the isle.

[forest vault]

I think the most interesting thing is how herra isn’t supposed to be able to climb and how we learn a rexes name “Shirley”

And of course Augustus

[lethal moat]

Give this a read https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[forest vault]

Thank u I will

[ornate comet]

Wonder if AE would have some gen 2 study how the ecosystem of the island works in addition to the usual Gen 2 stuff

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/once-you-start-no-going-back-daddy-talk-gif-12390474

[hexed forge]

Probably

[ornate comet]

Also, the replicator. I kinda forgot the if it’s in the lore doc but is the replicator still pumping out creatures while the island is abandoned. Or am I am getting what the replicator actually does wrong

[low scarab]

From what I know that’s the idea same thing with gen 1

[hexed forge]

We truly dont know,

But I would guess that The Replicator was never actually turned off when the island(s) were abandoned.

[forest vault]

I just read the doc

I did not think this game had this much lore

[ornate comet]

Replicator was like dang humans left…welp, time to create my own humans

[hexed forge]

Nah

Gen1 was not created by just the replicator,

It was definitely a project created by AE.

A named weapon used for retaliation.

[forest vault]

Every time I spawn in as a Dino ima have to imagine a replicator pooping me out 😔😔😔

[hexed forge]

[meager junco]

I just hope we get a Shirley/Rex lore video with Rex drop

[ornate comet]

Fr tho what’s stopping a flock of pterodactylus from just dipping from the island. Robo quezt can’t stop em all

[acoustic osprey]

i wonder why it is called Apollan
and not Apollon

or is that spelling mistake

[acoustic osprey]

took down only the AE Class Water because we're yet to really understand why they have a lot of such and why they have their own water
same with the isopropyl alcohol
which i don't think i have written down for that one

but everything else was fine 👌 thank you

[patent ginkgo]

didnt don say that the water was non lore and only a joke from one of the other devs?

[acoustic osprey]

potentially but i don't remember
but it is still in-game and hasn't really changed over the last few years

i want to keep the lore doc as 1:1 to the game as we can rather than just words
if something is in, better to keep it there than not. So we don't forget about it

[hexed forge]

Since Apollo is a very large company I wouldnt be surprised if they have a water brand tbh.

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say water brand

seeing as it is AE and not Apollo
it would likely mean they have their own filtering plant of sorts or system

[hexed forge]

Those gates that have 717 and 10 17 are a headache to think about. Everytime I pass it ingame

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la1LulRI_9o

[hexed forge]

Mmmm, probably

[hexed forge]

Thank you

[acoustic osprey]

rather than just being solely a water company off-shoot

[patent ginkgo]

found it @acoustic osprey

[acoustic osprey]

this hasn't happened yet
so i don't really want to at the moment

i want to keep the lore doc as 1:1 to the game as we can rather than just words
if something is in, better to keep it there than not. So we don't forget about it
mostly with what i said here

[fast forge]

I'm guessing they are programmed to die when they leave the radius of the local radio antennas, like when an RC plane gets too far away from the controller

[ornate comet]

What about wild born

[fast forge]

I dunno, it's just a theory

[acoustic osprey]

not enough radio waves via the FCC i suppose 😔

they stay outside of K15 because there are none
because of the protection boxes on the fences

[lofty swallow]

Do you think the map border has any lore implications? Like if any of the animals go through it they get shocked/automatically shut off?

[acoustic osprey]

like the outline of Gateway? No
the actual blue map borders? No as well

[lofty swallow]

Ah okay

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[hexed forge]

Don answere a similar question but it was with quetz, I can't find it

[valid geyser]

Didn’t he say something along the lines of “why would it leave? It has all the food it needs on this island”

[hexed forge]

No

It was just like 1 or 2 words, cryptic

[valid geyser]

huh

[hexed forge]

However I think we assumed that he means that the quetz has everything to survive on the island, so why would it need to leave.

[valid geyser]

hmmm

[hexed forge]

I'll find it when I get home,

8 hours.

[regal horizon]

4 more hours

[lethal moat]

Do you guys think there’s other “complete” robot dinosaurs other than quetz?

[nimble fractal]

Mecha rex

[alpine lynx]

omniraptors i suppose

[lethal moat]

Having said that, why do you think those dinos and what purpose do you think the robot dinosaurs have

[alpine lynx]

maybe for securing the other assets

or for missions

[lethal moat]

I can see it

UAV quetz, with a pack of omniraptors with tasers going out to secure an asset for puckup

[alpine lynx]

yes might be possible

i believe that robot dinosaurs simply just exist to serve humans

maybe they are controlled by humans? who knows.

i have something in my mind that robot dinosaurs are controlled by humans simply like VR type thingy

[hexed forge]

Pteros

As well as compies

Small enough to hide better if needed.

[hallow ruin]

i really dont think so
as robo quetz seems like its something filling a need nothing else can fill nor can assest, its "just enough"

IF we consider its use is maybe watching or acting like some trail camera

some big drone that watches the island

[low scarab]

Raptors online mentioned?

[nimble fractal]

YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[low scarab]

That game was my childhood man

Such a work of art

[nimble fractal]

Same 😭 I even remember jingle bells playing as a new year event in-game
Offtopic but

Mecha rex there is what I want to see in The Isle

[low scarab]

Would be awesome even just a mod sometime in the future

[nimble fractal]

I imagine mecha-rex or mecha-trike as something to counter the apex/strains lab escape

[low scarab]

Yea so much of those games exist only in memory now a lot has been lost nowhere on the internet

[nimble fractal]

😭😔

[hexed forge]

Which pteros could be used like that

Especially if you need surveillance in a Jungle

And harder to spot

[hallow ruin]

possible

[strange shell]

Mecha rex is the only one who can defeat the aliens

[low scarab]

Humanities last hope

Glad to see we got some people of culture here

[lofty swallow]

If Quetz is going to act like a drone surveying the sky, what's stopping something else from surveying the water? Something small but fast like a beipi maybe?

[lethal moat]

Minmi drone

[lofty swallow]

That's what I was thinking! even it was slow, the way it shows only a bit of its head popping out of the water (in the concept art) seems pretty cool if you replaced it with cameras

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/findlayo-boat-only-fools-and-horces-uncle-albert-boat-sink-gif-25105526

[acoustic osprey]

once again, this is all unofficial by this person
but

it looks sick and is getting me hyped for Neuros in the ... future

[spiral elbow]

Oh that is horrifying. I love it

[acoustic osprey]

^

Translucent neuros is what i need

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-beautiful-christmas-holiday-cheer-gif-19441585

[patent ginkgo]

i honestly prefer this old neuro rex design over any other strain design

i think it does strain horror best

[meager junco]

The fact some people find it gross and wrong looking makes it even better

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[fast forge]

I can just imagine that translucent neuro would look extra cool in this lighting

[acoustic osprey]

I can imagine it being almost invisible at night or really shadow- like areas
That would be pretty sick

[fluid geode]

Is the Echidna an abandoned concept or do we not know?

[acoustic osprey]

she is still confirmed
all we know for her now, besides such, is that she is a or related to the concept of a "CARRIER"

[fluid geode]

What does that mean?

[lethal moat]

We don’t know

[lethal moat]

My assumption is that she’s the secret to something really important, maybe how to properly and completely transfer or insert consciousness?

[muted reef]

Or how to control it

[fast forge]

So echidna in mythology is the mother of monsters, right?
If a mother is also a carrier, my mind goes to animals that carry their young on their body
So a monster that carries it's young?

or the means to make them?

[acoustic osprey]

So echidna in mythology is the mother of monsters, right?
Yes

[icy onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/995084695199039518/1140409409898565833/togif.gif

interesting

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189952551290929274/1232732813585944616/image0-2.gif

[lethal moat]

I’m thinking the Echidna is looking to be left alone, but everyone wants something from it

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-croods-hes-loose-shocked-gif-14735637

[fluid geode]

Echidna gives me anxiety. Imagine running into that thing on an island full of dinosaurs that you're already paranoid about.

[hexed forge]

My mindset on the term "CARRIER" has changed because of an assessment I had to do in school.

I now always think that a Carrier, is something carrying a specific gene, that is "dormant/not in effect" for the thing with that gene, that it later on passes down to its children. And that offspring has a chance of having that specific active gene.

This assessment was almost 2 weeks ago so I dont remember much anymore, dont yell at me if Im not using the correct biology terms.

Just wanted to drop my thoughts before I forget it.

I think we are still on the CARRIER topic.. maybe.

[strange shell]

So... Echidna being the only one able to produce Gen 1 ? Like, literally being their mother for she has a gene that cannot be processed otherwise nor isolated ?

[hexed forge]

Maybe...?

I just gave my thoughts on how I understand the term "Carrier",

Might not mean the exact same thing.

We will have to wait and see.

[river marsh]

That does apply too yeah. Could be the carrier of a specific gene (like the salamander monster Singed has in Arcane) or could be the Carrier of a disease or mutation that is not desirable, or, in another case, potentially dangerous (imagine getting dragged away and then you're not killed...instead you end up being mutated by her and switching teams). This is a horror game after all, so my money might be that she carries a gene that mutates humans and makes her a threat to them. All she has to do is stay hidden and let her "drones" do the heavy lifting of bringing more live bodies back to her.

Do we know if there are female mercenaries or only males? Because if so, I would doubly bet that she can only turn males into drones, and is trying to get a female to turn into another "queen" to use an analogy, hence why no females are present to avoid an explosion in population.

[muted reef]

What if they created the echidna with the purpose of birthing gen 1's

[river marsh]

could also be the case

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[knotty locust]

if i recall, dondi answered to a question about why the echidna was made, and its something to do with being a byproduct

a byproduct of what, exactly? not sure

could be gen 1 research, could be chemical development, could be strain development, could be many things

[acoustic osprey]

No that would be matriarch

Which is a byproduct of Tissos

[acoustic osprey]

The Eyeless

[knotty locust]

real ?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[knotty locust]

i was trying to find the exact quote

AH YOURE RIGHT
#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

Thank you

[knotty locust]

i was mixed up on the echidna and matriarch

mostly because it feels like the names should be swapped lmao

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

No just think about it

[hexed forge]

The eyeless having something special, perhaps in its genetic code, or an ability that it has.

I was leaning towards it being tied to neuro goo even.

And it has to just.. somehow... pass it down.. to keep the strain alive.

[acoustic osprey]

it would make sense
in the context you bring up with Echidna being a Carrier
that it relates to why Eyeless' look exactly like Neuros

[hexed forge]

OHHhh

I think I get what you meant with the previous message now.
It went over my head, was watching a movie at that moment.

[acoustic osprey]

being that Echidna was "Mother of Cannibals" back in the days of old
and not Mother of Tribals

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

meaning that Echidnas had a relation to Cannibals, not Tribals, back in old legacy times
rather than Gen1s

[hexed forge]

Stumble upon a giant cave with a whole pack of Eyeless humanoids bowing down to the Echidna.

[fast forge]

Could eyeless just be a neuro strain gen 1?

[acoustic osprey]

then it would've been said so, honestly, in my opinion

rather than Don saying that it's actual name reflects how you obtain it

[hexed forge]

Don described them as gen 1.5,

[acoustic osprey]

not as

more so like or as if a gen1.5
but not as gen 1.5

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

[fast forge]

I see

[hexed forge]

I'm guessing in order to become an eyeless. It has something to do with Echidna being a carrier.

https://tenor.com/view/viktor-arcane-jesus-hextech-messiah-god-viktor-arcane-arcane-season-2-gif-2553838681418716026

[lethal moat]

The eyeless being those gen 1 that manage to figure out working together is more beneficial may make sense would it not? More intelligent gen 1 figuring out how to get the replicator to do what they need and thus reaping the reward

[hexed forge]

What if you replace The Replicator, with Echidna, in that sentence.

Be ruled under the echidna for those juicy rewards and benefits.

[lethal moat]

I’d say that assumes too much

We know that gen 1 cooperate with the replicator, we don’t know the extent of the Echidna’s capabilities

[hexed forge]

Just going off of the "Mother of all cannibals" description.

It also kind of fits the Carrier description. Well, what we assume it is atleast. Pass down those Neuro strain capabilities to gen1s.

[hexed forge]

We know it's a "CARRIER", so that's something I guess.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/what-confused-persian-room-cat-guardian-gif-11044457

[hexed forge]

Some sort of Don quote

[chrome acorn]

The carrier

Just the intern who does all the grunt work

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[chrome acorn]

anytime

[lethal moat]

I know, but what does it mean

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[crisp raven]

Dondi, is The Horde lore accurate?

[acoustic osprey]

which lore

[fast forge]

I lore, you lore

we all lore for isle lore

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo

[dusky valley]

What role will the strains play in the lore now?

If the devs still want them anyway

[acoustic osprey]

aye they do want them still

but what exactly do you mean by their role?
like why Strains?

[dusky valley]

I was more talking about colossus, reaper and the other one like how were they made in the lore

[hallow ruin]

do we have any idea of what point in time was cannibal publicly or secretly in the isle?

specifically in its files if id say

[acoustic osprey]

how they were made? we're not completely too sure
at least, that is within Evrima

for example
basically all three main human strain types were within Tartarus
and therefore were all likely made in such

User Inquiry: Colossus
I do not have files on this, but I can see it is active within Tartarus

same with The Matriarch

User Inquiry: The Matriarch Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an EIP. I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus. Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study. It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name.

User Inquiry: Trespassers
Designation given to any profile that strays from parameters.
Profile subject to wipe and redistribution.
also interesting with this

would ERRANT-291 be dubbed as a "Trespasser"?
Trespasser is a weird term to give it though

[acoustic osprey]

like 2017

[hallow ruin]

remember the version u sent in lorecord
is it in there?... cuz i couldnt find it ngl

just wanna confirm, are u aware if it actually is there?

[acoustic osprey]

it would've been only accessible through the devbuild

to be fair
i don't remember it ever being on the public branch

[hallow ruin]

||how the F did that roblox game get it...||

[acoustic osprey]

would've been ages ago

[hallow ruin]

huh?

[acoustic osprey]

like via the dev build

[hallow ruin]

in an old one u mean

[acoustic osprey]

but there is a chance it may have been on public

[hallow ruin]

yeah sometimes like when rex was in late 2023 gateway HT

[acoustic osprey]

no, on the dev build
back when they made it open to the public on random occasions

[hallow ruin]

hmmm interesting

[acoustic osprey]

mayhaps

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message

This is what I think, just a theory.

[fast forge]

a GAME theory

[lethal moat]

Could be

[hallow ruin]

allosaurus SoonTM

[hexed forge]

What

[hallow ruin]

the slap

[lethal moat]

I like to think that what gen 1 is exceptional because of how they interact with the replicator, not because they learned they can do it, but because the replicator hasn’t given preference before? If that makes sense?

[fast forge]

I think they interact with the replicator because it gives them candy

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-dog-propeller-cap-no-idea-dumb-cute-gif-13315397

[fast forge]

just look at this guy, you know he loves his licorice

[fast forge]

so you are saying that previously the replicator had dictated their changes, but now lets them choose for themselves?

[lethal moat]

I think it’s an early example of the replicator doing things without AE necessary knowing or understanding it, and their either didn’t know or let it happen to see results

[lofty swallow]

we need acro lore

[hexed forge]

Gone

[pastel osprey]

diablo with 2 in the party what happened? Signs?

or bug?

[waxen bough]

Hi everyone!
I’m a big fan of The Isle's lore. I wrote a story inspired by the confirmed details and theories, trying to stay true to the game’s world.
It’s called Shadows of the Isle—I’d love to hear your thoughts or feedback!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuIv19Iu9To

[icy onyx]

OH MY GOD THE ISLE LORE WGHAte flip

[cobalt yoke]

kapow

[acoustic osprey]

I like it, getting some Michael Crichton, however, I wouldn't say this is really directly to isle lore
Lots of things that make it feel more or a JP/JW story with only a little of isle
But besides that it was nice

[lethal moat]

I’ll give it a listen when I get off work

[patent ginkgo]

So I’ve been thinking about which parts of the lore may not ever be officially fully explored, and… I’m wondering if yall also think the “why dinosaurs” question will always be left up in the air?

[fast forge]

iirc don said he gave us the answer already

[patent ginkgo]

I did a little bit of snooping, it doesn’t look like so. We got very generalized context (unfortunate and necessary) and it was referenced to be a surprisingly close link from plants. Also, at a separate point, said to be more complex than why temperate plants are in a tropical environment, which makes total sense.

So either it wasn’t fully public, wasn’t in here, is in riddles over time, or he just thought he said it but didn’t.

[fast forge]

I'm guessing option #3

[patent ginkgo]

Speaking of the close relation of dinos and plants in AE history, it seems to me like strain research is one of the biggest things connecting them

Also found this fun thing

Which if they’re using sheep it honestly sounds like research into predatory strain plants as opposed to a random observation

Also sounds like neuro strain on that specific plant

[valid geyser]

hungry plant

[patent ginkgo]

Presumably

[patent ginkgo]

Weird

Almost like an herbivorous plant

[lethal moat]

I think it’ll be pretty well implied, but never directly stated

[lofty swallow]

"both the plant and the sheep dies" this implies that the sheep is alive during all this, just trying to get out of this wicked torture given to it by birth.

[lethal moat]

It never really occurred to me the amount of stuff you can fit under the entirety of gateway, especially given how much space there is between sea level and the mountains, and I don’t doubt that there are tunnels that likely go below sea level

There’s enough space for at least 3 cars

[acoustic osprey]

It relatively links with what I said before with the leakage for the underwater plants

[fast forge]

Cryptodome
A body of magma that rises from depth and intrudes into the edifice of a volcano, but does not erupt on the surface. Cryptodome formation can results in a bulge or welt on the surface of a volcano.

[hallow ruin]

wdym 3 cars, where? if we consider only volcano we could fit a whole colony in there
or under perimeter

and yes i know this is not what ur talking about but i dont really know it, just giving opinion on the general idea

[hexed forge]

Si

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-sarcasm-anti-mixtape-i-was-being-sarcastic-i-wasnt-serious-gif-24122833

[hexed forge]

Would be cool to find bodies of lava in caves under the volcano

[hallow ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/shoebill-bird-rain-beautiful-gif-18429868

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hallow ruin]

my brain is incapable of understanding anything at this point fr

[buoyant ruin]

let's calculate the volume of gateway!!!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-yuge-huge-gif-14073397

[patent ginkgo]

If dinos are being used to test ecosystems in various ways (which is purely theoretical), I wonder if strains are representative of human influence, as they’re incredibly impactful and strong/very smart and conniving/can quickly recover when things go south and have many remaining arms of influence, corresponding to hyper strength, neuro intelligence, and Tisso regeneration

[lethal moat]

I’ve considered a similar option, where strains could be used as a manmade “natural disaster” so to speak, with each strain wrecking havoc in a way similar to different dangers to ecosystems, I think it’s still an option AE could go for, but probably not the primary purpose for strains, as we know they’re at least medicine adjacent

[patent ginkgo]

Honestly the more I think about it the more I feel like strains are the cement that holds a lot of the lore together

Now it seems like strain plants have been a foundational concept in lore and we know the benefits of hyper plants for carbon uptake, but what about the other two strains?

I’m assuming the comment I forwarded earlier about plants that entangle and drink sheep was about neuros

And I almost wonder, what with Shirley and dean existing but no mention of a third Tisso-adjacent sibling, that maybe Tisso is supposed to be kinda the combo of both?

So that could rule out a foundational Tisso plant

But still not sure on what neuro plants could be useful for… or even neuro organisms in general

They just seem like a biohazard with little application

[lethal moat]

That’s based on the assumptions that both A) the oceanic megaflora are proto-strains, which hasn’t been confirmed, and that B) Shirley and Dean are both strain related, which we also can’t confirm, I would like to propose a potential solution to your hypothetical lack of tisso lore though, and that the tissoplastic strain was developed later than the other two strains, potentially much later, as what we know about it, it seems more tame and less dramatic than the other two, but of course, that’s assuming things about all the strains that we don’t quite know yet as well

[patent ginkgo]

Mhm, a lot of what I’m saying is theories on theories lol, but that’s the nature of it all

Though I think what we were told about Shirley and dean heavily implies that they are strain related

[lethal moat]

I’m growing to like the idea of strains coming in phases, as AE learns a bit more about the previous strain, or it could be entirely unrelated to each other, and the people working on a strain don’t know of the existence of other strains, I am curious how the matriarch being related to the tissoplastic strain relates to AE’s goals, as well as the implications for the potential of other strains adjacent creatures

[lethal moat]

I think it’s a coincidence personally

[patent ginkgo]

How so?

What else would they relate to

Maybe EIPs?

[lethal moat]

Shirley is buff and Dean has some unknown disability while being of higher than average intelligence, both could happen by chance, it would be very convenient, but I personally don’t think they’re strain related

[patent ginkgo]

I just feel like they wouldn’t be written as characters with such details if it was unrelated to everything else

But to be fair we have very little context in general

For once, we have all the details but no context

[lethal moat]

I’m gonna be driving for a bit, so it’ll be awhile before my response, but I agree

[patent ginkgo]

No worries don’t worry about me

My rants aren’t above your safety

Now, on an entirely different subject, I had an idea on EIPs. What if the dinos are there to be the vessels for human minds to sort of safeguard those minds within a robust ecosystem through conditions that humanity itself is unlikely to survive. Then, once conditions are favorable again, those EIPs are extracted and put into replicated human bodies where humanity can resume as if nothing had happened.

Essentially, taking advantage of how, even if a species or two may go extinct, life will, uh, find a way

Exploiting the power of a healthy ecosystem to survive a wide range of conditions in order to protect the existence of a species

Likely not the case but honestly still cool in my eyes

[fast forge]

I've considered this, kinda like SCP 2000 or the svalbard seed vault

[hexed forge]

I had this thought too,

But I think Don implied that its not like that- but Im probably just misremembering. Would be really cool if they are the first Hyper/Neuro Rex's.

[lethal moat]

In that situation, I’d imagine it’s better to keep it digitally, if they have the power to transfer consciousness, surely they have the ability to store that data, maybe in a TOMB of sorts

[patent ginkgo]

Well yeah but that isn’t as cool

[lethal moat]

Depends

I’ve got a bit more driving to do, just decided to stop at my favorite gas station, I’ll explain later

[acoustic osprey]

Wasn't it already said that it is due to them being SYNTHS

I.e. look at Augustus
Literally starts climbing

[hexed forge]

I dont recall that

[patent ginkgo]

I don’t think that it requires them to be EIPs if they’re lab made

[acoustic osprey]

Observe

[patent ginkgo]

At least by what we know currently

[acoustic osprey]

I am only commenting about SYNTHS

[patent ginkgo]

Oh I see

[acoustic osprey]

we know too little on EIPS for Evrima to know any sort of implication like that

[acoustic osprey]

@hexed forge

[patent ginkgo]

I thought you meant that they were confirmed to be EIPs because they were confirmed to be synthetic

[acoustic osprey]

No sinjur

To note though
They're anomalous, rather than being made like that originally

[ornate comet]

What’s anomalous again? Is that like the appearance of climbing on Herrera out of nowhere

[hexed forge]

Oh I see

[hexed forge]

Unusual

An example would be Herrera learning to climb, yes.

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[fast forge]

Anomalies!
https://youtu.be/1Wp5xanoMQU?si=4NXbkAvlbQ5pz-dm

[hexed forge]

Why

[fast forge]

Anomalies!

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cheekibreeki-cheeki-breeki-intensifies-stalker-bandit-radio-stalker-clear-sky-gif-24295015

[pale marsh]

fills me with an immense sadness

[coarse orbit]

Neuro Rex 🤨 hehe jk but would be interesting

[knotty locust]

bruh that was like 4 months ago AND you tag him on the reply goddamn

[hexed forge]

Lol

[icy onyx]

whos Dean

[hallow ruin]

[icy onyx]

im fr tho, i know shirley is a rex but whos dean

[hallow ruin]

(from speculations) could be the bigger (in age) sibling of shirley
a physically impeded tyrannosaurus who's regular size and not like shirley, also is a smart kid

if shirley is TRX#003 we can assume he's #002
bc assuming TRX#001 wasnt mentioned because its a failed attempt that we know nothing about further than this

and from my own speculations i found out evrima tyrannosaurus shown in dev streams is 12.5% bigger than rex, the value might seem small but its like 1 meter heigher at the hip, making it smack from 6 tons to probably 9 tons in weight for evrima

which makes me almost sure, that the default evrima rex just like herrera will be the anomaly being this big, while actual "normal rex" is Dean (Aka legacy)-size

by sibling i dont mean a nest, they are lab-made
who knows if #004 is also lab made but those 3 are for sure

[icy onyx]

cool

[lethal moat]

It’s one of two initially anomalous rexes, Dean has greater than average intelligence and some sort of disability

[lethal moat]

How do we know TRX#001 is a failure?

[river marsh]

What information do we have on Dean? Any documents or tidbits from videos?

Or is this the first we've heard of him? I remember Shirley

[hallow ruin]

it was said? that it was something they just dont talk about cuz of how bad it went?

wait im not sure actually about the source but i have this information in my head

was it cuz 2 and 3 was talked about but not 1?

so it was thought that it might've been just born dead and went to garbage?...

[lethal moat]

I think so, but I don’t think it was ever explicitly mentioned

[hallow ruin]

yeah i worded it incorrectly, my bad

[river marsh]

We dont know what number Dean is so the dead one could be 1 or 2 i think(?) Though thats semantics at this point

[lethal moat]

Dean exclusively exists as knowledge right now, nothing in lore yet

[river marsh]

Gotcha. Lot of hypotheticals then but write that down Shirley has a siblingggg lol

[hallow ruin]

god im sure there was something to make me say believe dean was 2
i cant tell..

[river marsh]

Might be you saw Agustus's number?

Because he was brought up

[hallow ruin]

i dont even remember that guy's number 😭

[lethal moat]

I don’t think we were given Dean’s numbers, or at least I can’t quickly find it

[river marsh]

Heres something that intriques me: Shirley is #3. How the hell did they get a successful anomaly that quickly and not at like #99+ etc

Id expect a lot more failures from deliberate attempts but clearly they know what they are doing if they make subtle enough tweaks the genetics can handle it

[lethal moat]

Luck, or rexes are special

[river marsh]

Rexes at base probably have a ridiculous amount of tolerance for problematic changes. I think we have a skelwton of one missing half its tail(?)

[lethal moat]

I think we just know that Shirley and dean are the first three

[river marsh]

True

[hallow ruin]

diablo trail came was injection #6 i believe? idk what that means, maybe their egg patch?

[lethal moat]

There was (36?) generations of diabloceratops before that injection

[hallow ruin]

and personally, since even shirley wasnt an actual normal rex but extra beefy, isnt being "better than expected" sometimes an error? a lucky error

[river marsh]

Injection implies placement. I think less clutch more release of a small herd

[hallow ruin]

[lethal moat]

Yes, 36 is the right number

[hallow ruin]

rex is successful i take my word back lol.

[lethal moat]

Mhm, at a southern part of the island

[river marsh]

Yep

God now i want to keep working on my theri documents that I was editing but im at work 😂

[hallow ruin]

im so curious and also worried

about, ik shirley is the approved anomaly and all rex teasers confirm this with brutal power

but, we never saw anything dean related, i still have a feeling his good brain genes will be mixed in somehow? have we ever seen smart rex interactions? is opening gates one of them?

[river marsh]

My guess is Shirley is an unusually physically fit specimen, and Dean might be the schemer of the two and be the reason they got out or caused problems. He could be the one that finds weak points in structures and while physically weaker himself in some capacity, his sister covers that with her excess.

[lethal moat]

Assuming rexes other than what we heard in the Augustus incident report is also Shirley

[lethal moat]

In the event that Shirley and Dean are parallels or inspiration for strains, I can see Dean being blind as a physical impediment

[river marsh]

....experimental variants perhaps that created the foundation for strains? Hyper and -....

Same brain cell

[lethal moat]

I don’t believe that quite yet, but am open to the possibility

[river marsh]

Yeah its perhaps leaning in that direction but not truely even a weak strain

[lethal moat]

Hold up, you aren’t in lorecord, you want in?

[river marsh]

There were 3 in the clutch and one failed. That is oddly specific.

Sure re-add me i went inactive and dipped lol

Now that i have a new comp im back

[lethal moat]

Where was it said one failed?

[lethal moat]

https://discord.gg/nAyEUCNx

[river marsh]

Oop fair

[hallow ruin]

alright im mixing up fake memories with true ones
have we ever realized/got told that "he was unable to move cause of his impedment and she would feed him and take care of him" ?
was this just a thought?

[river marsh]

We only know he has a disability

Not even if its physical

[hallow ruin]

this makes so much sense

[hallow ruin]

he is "physically impeded"

dondi's qoute should be somewhere

[river marsh]

Aha

[hallow ruin]

but wait, isnt blind also a physical impedment?

[river marsh]

Impeded hmmmm....might not be fully blind.

Could have a lack of sense of smell

Or other problems

I need to make profiles of what is confirmed known of each major dinosaur

[hallow ruin]

where is rumple to guide us

[hallow ruin]

i fr made 3D models of them then realized.. "uhm whats physically impeded?"

[river marsh]

Loool

[hallow ruin]

i was cooked fr was like this

https://tenor.com/view/test-gif-27464430

[lethal moat]

There’s different types of blindness, but my rule of thumb is, if it’s good enough for you to get a handicapped license plate, or very similar and along the same vein, I would consider it a physical impediment

[lethal moat]

Lore theories document in the pinned comments

[river marsh]

Blesss

[lethal moat]

My primary curiosity is if it’s something he’s always dealt with or if something happened to cause it

[hallow ruin]

i kinda think the context of him being a failed attempt which explains the existance of shirley
actually suggests that hes born with it

but if u really think about it, it might be that he did X thing, which led to him having this disability and THAT x thing is why he is "unapproved"

[lethal moat]

I don’t recall Dean being a failure, quite the opposite

[hallow ruin]

but why replicate shirley then?

[lethal moat]

Same batch

[hallow ruin]

oh

but replication? did we know if shirley was the one replicated?

[lethal moat]

We still don’t entirely understand what replication is, nor about any of the rexes being replicated

[hallow ruin]

hmmmm...
that is interesting

i think we really lack any actual spoilers/info of shirley and dean in general, they were briefly mentioned and we got a lil more info just of how many ppl kept asking

probably rex anomaly video soon, as it happens before release afaik
so we'll for sure get a ton of info

(a ton in isle terms is not a ton)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[hexed forge]

Door.

[patent ginkgo]

Crazy lore

[muted reef]

Tamim is back

Who's even muted/banned anymore

[hallow ruin]

kinda long time ago

also many, of our lorecord guys

[hexed forge]

Why though

[lethal moat]

Some people get too silly

[low scarab]

Silly…

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-злая-птица-gif-11035121084204696939

[patent ginkgo]

Someone needs to make an austro one of this meme

[normal olive]

I will if i don't forget

[valid geyser]

Hm.
Get me a good austro image and I can try

[hexed forge]

Since this patch was almost 4gb,

I gave it a try and checked the Docks GUTS entrances.

Nothing, all 3. Rip.

[lethal moat]

I'm bored, so I'm going to invent hypothetical strain adjacent creatures
Neuro: Maednad Wyrm, a parasitic worm that burrows into the brain/nervous system, causing the creature to basically go Rabid or Feral before gaining control and reproducing by killing the creature and laying eggs in the corpse, which is then eaten
Hyper: Scylla, basically a massive Ribbon worm that goes around eating all the things

[hallow ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-3415810009431604905

[hexed forge]

All worms

[lethal moat]

@bold crater