isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

Omniraptor can also be a sewer rat

[acoustic osprey]

it's more like sewer coyote

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-a-difference-anthony-anderson-phat-tuesdays-its-not-the-same-its-not-alike-gif-24913894

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-illusion-gif-26604501

[acoustic osprey]

resort bath

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Omni is versatile enough and just the right size to use the docks to it's advantages best, there are also spaces where it can hop over the small wallsthere

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah
two DTAs at the dock

one with a more finalised interior, but no exterior
one with no interior, but an exterior

need....

[hexed forge]

No exterior.... its.. its in the cliff? Underground?

[acoustic osprey]

the one in the cliff

[hexed forge]

I see

[hexed forge]

Also the location of the Dibble injection site has a Patrol zone, and also the dibble nesting ground has a patrol zone.

[acoustic osprey]

unless it's a different model
or the one that'll be next to it

as the DTA on docks has two large doors
this one has one

[hexed forge]

stairs

[lethal moat]

Secret tunnel!

[hexed forge]

Well because its in the cliff, it has one. I assume

[acoustic osprey]

has an atrium in it
I doubt it'll be in the cliff once it's ready

[hexed forge]

Ah

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah
that dome seems to be not coming back

[hexed forge]

I have hope!

[lethal moat]

Eh, I don't care much, there's only so many biomes you can put that are common enough to be worth covering

[acoustic osprey]

it does look cool now
Which there was some sort of homage to the dibbles in this location

Like a dibble footprint in the sand at the very beginning of the beach where they were 'injected'

[lethal moat]

Eh

[hexed forge]

I would imagine that the footprint would have lasted less than 10 minutes on the coast lol. The ocean will wash it off.

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[hexed forge]

Heck not even 10 minutes, Less than 2-3.

The wind would do the same to any footprints on the sand a bit more inland.

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
has a homage

in-game it doesn't really matter if it stays or not
just a HOMAGE!!!

and
who knows when we're playing

Looking at the TCAM lore hunt

Dibble Lore Hunt or TCAM Lore Hunt?

what should we refer to it now, looking back at it

[lethal moat]

I think it should be saved for more significant/obscure things

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683040176397746187/965087719715905546/image01.gif

[acoustic osprey]

we've had small things being washed on the shores of things before
I don't imagine it being that bad

[lethal moat]

I'm fine with stuff getting washed up, but a footprint is too direct and doesn't lead to anything

[hexed forge]

I have a gut feeling that the Halloween lore video will be incredibly juicy. Tons of information. One can only hope.

Dean

[lethal moat]

Tisso/neuro haloween stuff would be cool

[hexed forge]

I was hoping for there to be a crate/container underwater next to the port. Right under the broken crane thing.

But there wasnt sadly

Heck,

A cage with a skeleton of x dino in it.

Trapped and drowned

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cooler-if-you-did-gif-11144712

[hexed forge]

Would be a really cool addition for halloween

[acoustic osprey]

Assuming there is one that will be related to lore

Shame if we have to wait for then
But at least I know that is my last day for the year

Which means lore and holiday

[lethal moat]

Devblog in 13 days

[hexed forge]

wah oh

[acoustic osprey]

Soon

[hexed forge]

yesterday...

[amber tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hours-later-spongebob-gif-11856765

[acoustic osprey]

soon.

[hexed forge]

Yesterday.

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190479571762548807/1285934749684338708/possible_secret.jpg?ex=66ec138f&is=66eac20f&hm=b7a2c0495287f9ea55847566e5109ba584a96ef700a178f3070a1cc5c27f9721&
I dismissed this on stream but 😊

[fast forge]

pretty sure it's just these kinds of designations

[ornate comet]

Well I mean…why would it be in the actual part if the tire that goes on the ground. It would get worn away like instantly

[ornate comet]

Also pls explain

[acoustic osprey]

it almost likely is
I was just doing it for the s* and giggles lol

[fast forge]

tire shops do this for old tires where the sidewall might be worn away or illegible
just for their internal shop use, not intended to last after the tire goes on a vehicle

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
the tires themselves look very worn out

[fast forge]

although...
the tire designation might tell you something about the vehicles they are using

[acoustic osprey]

so a guy likely just got a maker
ran whatever details that were off from the tire itself
and wrote it there

[ornate comet]

Alright

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah
the C on the tire is for commercial -> truck/cargo
which makes sense

also 15" rims are pretty normal for cargo too

that beginning bit though looks unconventional

40 - 12

not truly sure what it means exactly
12 is weird? You don't really get 12mm width tires lol

can't be inches too lol

or even 40 mm

[ornate comet]

When vehicles are in I want to be a troodon rat and hide in someone’s big rig

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-garn-47-garn-car-garn47-gif-17918098241540694989

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-wayne-knight-jurassic-park-gif-24822870

[acoustic osprey]

just imagining hearing some annoying rattling in the back of the truck
you stop your car in the thick of the forest
open up
pounced by a troodon

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-wayne-knight-jurassic-park-gif-24822871

or hypsi in this scenario

would still scare tf out of you though

[fast forge]

Y'know at least we know know why we saw diet plants at the diablo nesting site

It was a patrol

[acoustic osprey]

oh true, never really thought of that lol

[ornate comet]

Longest patrol ever, they made a nest, hatched some eggs and began to raise some babies and there was still plants there

[acoustic osprey]

they took the chance and decided to settle!

[lethal moat]

Smart dibbles, something similar happened to me with teno a few days ago

[fast forge]

if you stay in the same area your patrol will go away and come back in that same spot

[ornate comet]

Is that intended..?

Sounds to me like never needing to ever leave

[fast forge]

well it seems to always give you the patrol nearest to you, so if you want to leave just leave, and you will get a patrol in whatever area you go to

it actually seems pretty fluid in that regard

[ornate comet]

Hmm, haven’t played herbi with the patrols yet

[fast forge]

it's fun, really takes you to new parts of the map

[ornate comet]

Ye I’d imagine, saw some tenos at swamp the other day

Random spawning helps too, but now there’s another body problem because when some people get a “bad spawn” they just kill themselves

[fast forge]

As an example I spawned in as dryo today, went to east plains sanc, then went to this patrol

[ornate comet]

If the small ai like rats and stuff were in then random spawning would be way better because carnivores aren’t forced to walk a million miles for a body or chase a deer for 20 mins

[ornate comet]

I was shadowing a teno here there as a ptera the other day

[fast forge]

I got bored of that spot so I moved inland, and ended up with this patrol

Yeah dryo seems to share patrol zones with teno and galli (probably some diet overlap)

[hexed forge]

Tire

[hexed forge]

Also Dibble too

Well in the patrol in the pic

[fast forge]

oh wow this south side of docks is looking extra rough

wonder what's going there

oh it's paved

[hexed forge]

Hopefully they finalize this dock before moving onto the next major map change..

[lethal moat]

I'd like some smaller port stuff for transportation around the island on boat, rather than the port just being a bottleneck for supplies into GUTS/roads

[ornate comet]

Imagine taking a speedboat from docks and just passing a pachy migration and they all just stare at you from the shore with their beady little eyes

[robust ether]

they're just jealous because their stupid little arms can't pilot a boat

the domeheads

[ornate comet]

Hang on did the ai pteras not make it in to live?

[robust ether]

I hope not

They are not working right lmao

[ornate comet]

I liked them

[robust ether]

I'd be fine if they worked properly, but I do not want more scuffed AI.

[ornate comet]

People saying the update wasn’t ready because it still has bugs are right. However, maybe they pushed it to live because they needed more people to test things and the hordetest was pretty dead most of the time

[lethal moat]

I wonder if EC and RF are rivals to AE or Apollo in general?

[hexed forge]

My guess is Apollo in general

And AE is basically the retaliatory "weapon" of Apollo against their rivals

[lethal moat]

Don't mess with big pharma

[ornate comet]

I will record my first real video tonight, def gonna be some serious gameplay and not a joke video

[muted reef]

MUSIC UPDATE PLEASE (music in a lore video perhaps?)

[median shuttle]

I want that music we heard in one of dons streams

[muted reef]

I want the entire legacy music system (and all of the tracks from the gameplay) brought into evrima, with all of those combat action sequence ahh tracks (you know the ones I'm talking about) to be removed...but give us some of those crazy awesome evrima tracks like the music box or track 2

The way that music would play at certain times of day, or certain areas, or as certain dinosaurs would be an insanely great thing to be brough back from legacy

[ornate comet]

Dude if welcome to the isle beginning part played when you first spawned in I’d be so happy

[muted reef]

Music box playing when you're a gen 2 roaming....

Genuinely the best track I've heard come out of the game

[ornate comet]

Whatever happened to the spooky Morse code type music at human structures in spiro

[muted reef]

Gone

[muted reef]

We need music overhauls!!!

[ornate comet]

Potentially gonna come back?

Also ngl I feel like welcome to the isle would make a perfect song for the trailer for the full game

[snow jasper]

I hated the static and ambient around legacy structures

[acoustic osprey]

Technically still in

[snow jasper]

didn't even know spiro had anything with it

[ornate comet]

it wasnt static that messed with your screen, it was specific music tracks that would play if you hang around human structures

https://youtu.be/t6MVfGU63nc?si=chRDEhsRQguHgj13

This was one

[acoustic osprey]

Yep

SOS and B

[acoustic osprey]

It was added in u4.5

Only activated when you went to a building
Especially the radio tower

Which made sense for Spiro
As there were barely any buildings

[hexed forge]

B

Anything special around that?

[snow jasper]

was it about of the music tracks?

that would explain why I never heard them

[dry holly]

Are the Isle and Primal Carnage still related?

Ngl I sure do miss the hypers on official servers, and the adrenaline rush of running into the neuro spino the 1 time it was on an official server was unlike anything I've experienced in another game.

Put the horror back into the Isle gameplay. The slow burn survival just isn't the same.

[hexed forge]

The Isle and Primal Carnage are no longer related, and strains will come back to the game later on, accessible by everyone.

[dry holly]

Sadness. I kind of liked the idea of an undefeatable monster roaming around that you could only hide from. It actually felt like horror.

Giving that power to players... eh. Guess we'll see how it goes

[lethal moat]

I get the feeling that's very much still a thing

[hexed forge]

The Matriarch

[acoustic osprey]

B

[acoustic osprey]

To be fair
It was always to be earned
And still is supposed to be super hard to get

I imagine you'd only see one every few days or weeks

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah it was part of the music

[acoustic osprey]

I'd like current dock to be finished... lol

Although having small little docks around the map
Like that old spiro concept art

Would be pretty cool
Basically small outposts

Which I really like the idea of not just having your base in a giant facility/location like K15 or Perm OR the dockyard

[snow jasper]

Je vois

[acoustic osprey]

Having a base at something smaller sounds more challenging

[acoustic osprey]

Je...

[snow jasper]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

If they do do that
You would have to make a lot these small bases around the map

Basically being the in-between of a small camp and something k15

[zenith frigate]

i got a little close to the qr code

QR code POV

[acoustic osprey]

Ever heard of Sisyphus

[lethal moat]

Do you guys think it would be accurate to call gen 1 “demi-human”?

[ornate comet]

mmmm not a fan of that name

[lethal moat]

Just as a descriptor, not as a name

[hexed forge]

"Demi-Humans are impure and agile creatures that emerge from caves and threaten the unprepared. They often roam in hordes under a leader's command."

I think thats a pretty nice descriptor

[hexed forge]

yes

[lethal moat]

Don't know where that definition came from, but it works

[hexed forge]

Wiki

[meager junco]

That’s-Elden ring lore

[hexed forge]

o

I just used the first google result without a second thought shhh

[meager junco]

Funny enough the description is pretty close to what our Gen 1 is, maybe not the leader part but who knows

[formal venture]

Preparing an ambush

• some gen 1 cave in highlands

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

[formal venture]

Ambush and sacrifice

Highlands and plains

Ngl should probably do these in fanart but I'm too self conscious lol

[lethal moat]

Poor guy

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[low scarab]

I want to be able to sacrifice stuff as a dinosaur for mutation options

[lethal moat]

Agreed

Incoming trade offer

[hexed forge]

mehhhhh

I would leave it as a thing only for Gen1s tbh, if Dinos are able to sacrifice stuff then it wouldnt be a special gen1 mechanic anymore. Decreasing its playerbase.

[low scarab]

It’s not stopping gen 1 from being unique dinosaurs can sacrifice themselves at an end game location which has some challenge in getting to and being an elder you can die for the replicator to get enhancements in your next life or maybe bringing a body of something else and sacrificing it

Gen 1 traps things live and builds temples and such to sacrifice

[hexed forge]

[low scarab]

Ideas

[ornate comet]

Why is luigi attacking the natives

lol

[muted reef]

Wood be sick

[hexed forge]

I doubt Gen1s would be able to build any sort of "big" structure

[muted reef]

I want traps but temples is a bit much

[hexed forge]

yay......................

[muted reef]

PACHY BUFF PLES

[hexed forge]

Not the important part

[muted reef]

What the floating crate?

[hexed forge]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Well, temple doesn't have to be extravigant, it can be a fouled cave with cairns of stones and a flat spot in the middle for sacrifices

[acoustic osprey]

Altar....

[lethal moat]

In the temple, yes

[muted reef]

Is C2 already in the game

[hexed forge]

What

[lethal moat]

Hwhat

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dissaproving-hank-hill-gif-14806126061245867933

[hexed forge]

C2 as in a human structure? I dont even know where the heck C2 was even mentioned

[fast forge]

kinda sounds like that one cave near river delta

[muted reef]

First message of isle phase 3

[lethal moat]

K15-Camera 2

[muted reef]

Ah

C2 is in the ocean right

The grid

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

[lethal moat]

mhm

[lethal moat]

The video, it's at K15

[muted reef]

They should make it an aquatic building

[hexed forge]

Yeah I know its at K15

[muted reef]

My brain skipped over it and just payed attention to C2

[lethal moat]

This thing?

[hexed forge]

F5...

Wrong reply

[hexed forge]

.

[muted reef]

Yes

[hexed forge]

Tbh I think the aquatic facility might be F5- But, we dont know how the weird grid even looks like

[lethal moat]

If F5 is even associated to a grid

[hexed forge]

GW_F5

Likely is

If we also look at GW_H4 and GW_K15 in lore

[lethal moat]

Goofiness

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

^

[acoustic osprey]

but the thing is ... why show the grid map then

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/same-different-but-still-gif-18224441

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-face-mask-ryan-reynolds-why-why-though-gif-16044247

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

that would just a bit too overly complicated
when things have been rather obvious, despite being under our nose

[lethal moat]

This is a lack of information on our part though, not necessarily something we should know yet

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
not really though

we have a grid map
we have a grid coordinate
we other other grid locations - all where they should be -> even H4 matches, geographically, just doesn't exist in-game

[lethal moat]

But it doesn't match up, thus there must be some missing information

[acoustic osprey]

the video, itself, just doesn't match with the location it has on the grid coordinate

everything points to it being just being fault of the creator itself

which just makes me wonder
is it just some overly complicated issue within AE 🤷‍♂️

or is GW not actually Gateway
but a facility code for a certain area of our Gateway?

[hexed forge]

Perhaps a different grid

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[acoustic osprey]

then why even show the grid in the video in the first place

[lethal moat]

To show off the tracking system

[acoustic osprey]

misdirection?
if it's a red herring

it's a painful red herring

[hexed forge]

Whoever mistakes GW_H10 by GW_F5 needs to be sacrificed to The Replicator.

Thats comparing an ocean wasteland to an open jungle.

[acoustic osprey]

which you don't really even need to do from the get go anyways

it's not a defining part of the video

it's just an addition to the grid map

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/car-uh-car-garn47-cat-bounce-gif-8905658433156715392

[hexed forge]

Possibly

[acoustic osprey]

especially since everything (of course besides the actual location of the footage) matches up
not just one variable

[hexed forge]

The slideshow is much bigger than we think, its all out order from what we see. Soooo... theres a chance.

[acoustic osprey]

the slideshow is slightly longer than the video (on the channel) itself

[lethal moat]

Not yet anyway, we only see bits and pieces, I still believe that this is a matter of us not knowing enough overall, which makes sense given how little we know about the timing of the various videos, just another unknown factor

[hexed forge]

I dont think so

[acoustic osprey]

I'm talking about the context of the video.
Of course chiptracking would be important for the future of lore

but we don't really need to see it at the moment.
but in the context of the video - it wasn't really needed, just an added aspect on-top of the grid map.

[hexed forge]

A red herring

[lethal moat]

We didn't see the whole video, it was very broken

[hexed forge]

^

[acoustic osprey]

red herring
herring?
fish?
sea?
Water
F5?
in ocean

F5 is actually a literal herring

[lethal moat]

We got em

[acoustic osprey]

not really, actually.
We saw a lot of it

hold on, getting my evidence

[hexed forge]

Now we need to find a red fish in the GW_F5 area.

[hexed forge]

I dont think we did

I would expect there to be a section for each Diablo asset that died.

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1224903912344256682/image.png?ex=66ed826a&is=66ec30ea&hm=b52fd7d1e4bb5f436c304a199fd272edfc19b028fa08a3642e6b8f4598cf961d&
we do actually

[hexed forge]

Hold on

[lethal moat]

Almost all of the screens of text appeared during the glitchiness, and there was the other piece we had to go find, who knows how much else is missing

[acoustic osprey]

we actually see more of the video (removing the intro section of the video)

[hexed forge]

It is 3 minutes longer than the AUGUSTUS report, I think we do actually have a lot of stuff missing.

What have we gotten from the Dibble report?

[lethal moat]

We see a section of the dibbles nesting when injected onto the island, what else did they all do while there?

[hexed forge]

Since its a Post-Evaluation, I would expect to see a section for each Dibble that died.

[fast forge]

no the maps slides are in order

[hexed forge]

How did they die, where, maybe a recording of how they died captured on a Tcam

But then it says the length is 5 Minutes

[hexed forge]

Its out of order, we see slides that were meant to be in the beginning of the video. At the middle/end of the video.

[fast forge]

of the map?

[hexed forge]

No

[acoustic osprey]

total vid is 5,40mins
start is at 0,12
end is at 5,31

therefore
40-12-9
which make it
5mins 19secs

which almost matches up with the actual length of the video
we do have to note that the AUGUSTUS video, painfully, matches up 1:1 with it's time (and not just off)
which includes it's footage section (not the live section) - basically everything from the beginning of the media playback to the end

However
we do have to remember that the Dibble video is painfully 'corrupted'
and we're pretty unsure where and what corrupted
and if it's corrupted more than once
like how is there more footage in this video than what it says it should be in the actual video

cerato said the actual slides are out of order
tiny replied that map slide is out of order
cerato replied no - seemingly confused.

cerato was talking about all the slides
tiny was talking about just the grid map

[lethal moat]

Well there's the video footage of the dibbles, then there's the entirety of the injection report

[hexed forge]

The map sequence is not out of order, but the entirety of the report is out of order.

Simplified!

[acoustic osprey]

and they can't be in the one video?
Seeing as we see very similar with AUGUSTUS

[fast forge]

and one of the slides mentions tartarus

[hexed forge]

Another red herring!

[acoustic osprey]

more so easter egg

[hexed forge]

An easter egg that developed into a 3 hour conversation

Threw us off, Red herring!

[lethal moat]

They mention what the dibble eat, and where they went, you'd expect that to be in the same video, unless the corruption mixed two or more related videos

[hexed forge]

Give me like a few minutes to think, I will write my response in a bit.

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1225293991231230013/TC-1393-1462_FIXED.png?ex=66ed9c34&is=66ec4ab4&hm=d901fa03bfb74ced8a7772577f94d6c83c9f4b3ec0dfdb5d98582965bcbfb04f&

it seems to be they're all comped into the one video

[lethal moat]

So there is more we are missing at least some things, potentially a lot

[hexed forge]

Unaltered footage: The T-CAM recording
Other Video Materials: The actual report

[acoustic osprey]

we do have the last quote though

Full annotations and unaltered footage remains in Archive ().x

[hexed forge]

Is that right?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
just about to refer

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

how much of the video was the "edited in" footage
and how much was not

the thing is though
the actual video we see has edited footage

[fast forge]

yeah timeskips, probably edited out for relevancy

[acoustic osprey]

as it shows snippets from the day/time-period of the events

[lethal moat]

Or as a result of artifacting

[hexed forge]

If that counts as technically edited footage, then

AUGUSTUS had edited footage too

[acoustic osprey]

i'd say less so

[fast forge]

I've been trying to figure out this conversation the whole time, is this what yall are debating?

[hexed forge]

The timeskips could have been the "In-Between", where the reports go.

[lethal moat]

Pretty much

[hexed forge]

Similar to how AUGUSTUS had it

Which means, what we see is a completely corrupted mess

[acoustic osprey]

the timeskips seem to be edited in
but the forwarding and rewinding of footage, likely as a result of the corruption

but

[hexed forge]

Which cuts out the majority of the report

[lethal moat]

In a normal report, there should have been more footage breaking down the things we saw in the glitchiness

[acoustic osprey]

how much was it from the video?
did anything come from ARCHIVE(7) ?

which made the video longer than it should be

[fast forge]

It feels edited, but that could be an effect of the video also being a trailer of sorts for the general isle community consumption, not just lore freaks

[lethal moat]

I'm of the same opinion

[lethal moat]

mhm

[fast forge]

The goal of the video is to garner interest in The Isle and hype players about Diablo and Allo, lore is secondary to that

[acoustic osprey]

of course

[hexed forge]

What are the chances of the file that we see could just be a shortned version of the full report, which was then corrupted.

[acoustic osprey]

we even see this with the TCAM Hunt

[acoustic osprey]

if anything, it's extended
#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Full report > Edited into a smaller shorter version(The one that we see) > Corrupted

[hexed forge]

Nononono. No.

Let me explain

[acoustic osprey]

i think you're thinking about the field manual

the video we see, pretending it's not corrupted for a sec, is the finalised report for whatever they're doing with the dibbles

[lethal moat]

Well that's just the dibble footage (edited) not the entirety of the breakdown of the satellite footage/plant nutrients

[acoustic osprey]

but
the footage and information they have

is used for the field manuals

[hexed forge]

I believe the file that we see is a shortened version of the finalised report. For whatever reason

And thats why it says, 5 minutes

[acoustic osprey]

I doubt so
i say the file we see is more
because there is more TCAM footage shown

that make the time go over the limit

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
in which we see that our file is longer than the actual one/then it should be

which makes me wonder

how much was it from the video?
did anything come from ARCHIVE(7) ?

because we're yet to know why the corruption happened

[lethal moat]

That timestamp is just for the dibble footage imo, not the whole edited report

[acoustic osprey]

I know.
more the the why "that" (the electromagnetic damage) happened

[acoustic osprey]

but it's the same format for the AVI media played in the AUGUSTUS video?

which it also includes it has an evaluation, etc

[acoustic osprey]

specifically

is this something internal with/at ARCHIVE(7)

and therefore
did footage bleed into the actual file of the dibble video?
or is it just a mistake on Seiza's behalf for there to be more screentime then it should be

thing is though
AUGUSTUS video is basically exactly on the same time as it has on it's AVI summary

[lethal moat]

Then yeah, the artifacting either mixed related files or it was artificially shortened for some reason before it was retrieved

[acoustic osprey]

I doubt it was shortened
more so extended

but that can't really happen

[hexed forge]

Could the full report be split into many pieces?

What does the R mean? Is the video that we see only based around Nutrient Metabolism?

[lethal moat]

Research probably

[acoustic osprey]

^ most likely

[hexed forge]

So the entire injection was based around Nutrient Metabolism Research perhaps?

[lethal moat]

That’s my guess

[acoustic osprey]

nutrient metabolism
and therefore how it effects migration patterns

and therefore
Environment adaptation and interaction

which we see it being attacked by omnis
for whatever reason / variable

[hexed forge]

Im trying to make sense of the video being longer than intended, and I cant seem to grasp why...

[acoustic osprey]

had to double check to be sure
yeah AUGUSTUS is not even 1 second off from it's actual time
which is 2mins 16sec

[acoustic osprey]

i'm thinking a larger corruption of ARCHIVE(7)

i think the biggest evidence we have at the moment for it
is that the intro glitches

Which it shouldn't, technically

[hexed forge]

Oh wait

Theres a glitch/Cut at 5:14-15, where the video was supposed to end

Well not really a cut

Just a glitch, thought it would be something lol

[lethal moat]

Or multiple things retrieved at once, but yes, a group of things got corrupted

[hexed forge]

Makes the most sense

[acoustic osprey]

if you think about it
the introduction tells us that they retrieved the actual video
and that there were severe artifacting

so why is the added on footage also corrupted?
When it's added on after the fact from the "original" video

this is the only evidence for such

but it's not bad evidence

a video doesn't just corrupt without reason - especially corrupt the same way as another corruption

especially if you include the (b) footage / video
which also adds 'more' time to the original video length - but I believe it's a seperate video (being just recorded footage, not an edited AVI file)

-> as it has one the slides from the first video, glitched in at the end

[lethal moat]

You're right, likely retrieving multiple things at once and it got corrupted then

[acoustic osprey]

but it may just be that the actual 'file' includes (b)
and that the whole file just has too much time added on due to whatever with ARCHIVE (7)

[acoustic osprey]

retrieving multiple things at once

what do you mean?

[hexed forge]

Basically, the most possible theory is that..

The video being corrupted and out of place could be due to an incident related to Archive 7?

[acoustic osprey]

at least
for this bit

if you think about it
the introduction tells us that they retrieved the actual video
and that there were severe artifacting

it wouldn't be 'multiple thing at once'

[lethal moat]

AE getting multiple things from Archive 7, not just the dibble video, evidenced by the allo video being seperate

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say 'at once' though

[lethal moat]

True

[acoustic osprey]

just that it occured several times
or that ARCHIVE (7) is corrupted and bleeds footage in

or that both the actual file and (b) were in a similar 'patch'/'patching'/'folder' in ARCHIVE(7) ||digitally, of course||

and that anything in that folder bleed together in anomalous ways

[lethal moat]

The artifacting occured during retrieval though, so unless the actions of retrieving it corrupted the whole archive, I doubt the whole archive is completely corrupted

[hexed forge]

But then, what corrupted Archive 7?

[acoustic osprey]

potentially, aye.

that something has happened to ARCHIVE(7) ||and more maybe, who knows the extent of it||

[acoustic osprey]

we see the intro is corrupted

which is unrelated from the original file
as it is edited on

[hexed forge]

Or maybe who

[acoustic osprey]

ME !!

[hexed forge]

Woah, not so Gerald of you!

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a neuro or akin

[acoustic osprey]

maybe i was at the bidding of [REDACTED] ....

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-robinsons-disney-goob-i-have-an-appointment-with-destiny-bowler-hat-guy-gif-16006793

[lethal moat]

You make an excellent argument, I am convinced

[acoustic osprey]

yay !!

[hexed forge]

My brain wants to say Rival Company/Errant activity

[acoustic osprey]

mmhmmm who knows

I mean
look at the ranger stations with their radio power

[fast forge]

could even be something mundane, improper data storage

[acoustic osprey]

there are many variables that could effect such, painfully

[lethal moat]

Neuro was my immediate thought, but it's likely something mundane, like Tiny said

[fast forge]

I just looked it up btw, high frequency radio signals can damage electronics that are improperly shielded

[acoustic osprey]

if it was at PERM
which had the server room

they did ventilate it well
at least

[lethal moat]

I'd say that it's a bit too early to make that assumption

[acoustic osprey]

this is related to why we, in theatre or production, don't put an audio cable/data cable over/touching ANY other cable
especially cables with high energy - like a power cable

either nothing will output/input
or it will be heavily distorted

[hexed forge]

Archive (7)

Multiple archives? If so,

TOMB being the main archive, and then basically a bunch of "Branches", Archives?

[fast forge]

oh, that makes sense, both currents would cause an electromagnetic field, and those fields would interact with each other, affecting the current

[acoustic osprey]

not really assuming
but if they do it once
they likely do it well all over

especially being a company with a lot of tech

[acoustic osprey]

mhm

it's always a shock when you first learn about that though

[lethal moat]

Or TOMB could be a conglomerate of archives with different purposes

[acoustic osprey]

that's what Cerato kinda infers there

[hexed forge]

yeah

[lethal moat]

I was refering exclusively to assuming archive 7 was at perimeter

[acoustic osprey]

if TOMB becomes AE_CORE but better
I will cry happy tears

[fast forge]

the deepest of archives, perhaps
like security levels within an organization like the FBI

[acoustic osprey]

if it was at PERM

was the quote!!

[hexed forge]

Don comes in chat just to make you cry in pain

[lethal moat]

Super duper top secret no looky important eyes only

[acoustic osprey]

AE CORE
Magna?
Phoenix International?

who are these things!?

[hexed forge]

who...

[lethal moat]

None of it was ever real

[fast forge]

me

[acoustic osprey]

and some 14 year old with his mum's old ms-dos hacks in

[hexed forge]

Breaking news: Apollo was appearently hacked by a 14 year old living in his moms basement.

[acoustic osprey]

who better to hire

[hexed forge]

"Force" the kid to work for AE

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sa-tis-c-gif-23553997

[acoustic osprey]

basically at the same level of evilry as Biosyn!!

[hexed forge]

wah oh. Dominion flashback

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-dennis-nedry-wayne-knight-lewis-dodgson-cameron-thor-gif-4873091

[fast forge]

such a great name btw, they basically have sin in the name

[acoustic osprey]

more so the books

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

I was basically referring to the girl who got kidnapped by Biosyn

[fast forge]

it just sounds like an evil genetics company

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/car-uh-car-garn47-cat-bounce-gif-8905658433156715392

[hexed forge]

yay

Someone post the old Gateway concept, I lost it. Its somewhere in my files and I cant find it

[hexed forge]

Thanks!

[acoustic osprey]

archive 7 corruption!!

[hexed forge]

woah

[fast forge]

btw the spots where that offshore aquatic base touch the land have deformations on the actual map in-game, so I bet that's still planned

[lethal moat]

Lets go

[hexed forge]

Oh interesting, ima log on and look at it.

[fast forge]

yeah that part of the map has that jagged look to it that you see in unfinished areas

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
noticed this a few months back
it's pretty interesting

makes you wonder what it could like it in-game as an actual model

[fast forge]

seeing as how they make so many modular assets, some of it may be the same as some parts of the docks
in particular there's that one "harbormaster" building that seems like it would fit, and you see something similar in that one aquatic base concept art

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

but I do imagine it being a more unique model though
like Perm

I imagine it using a lot of the modular assets from docks
but still something custom

but, even then, Perm isn't completely unique
more so referring to the exterior

[fast forge]

yeah at least some parts are probably custom

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[hexed forge]

I really hope they finish the current Dock before moving onto the next ones

This is probably my third time saying this when theres a Dock convo lel

[fast forge]

I'm unconcerned
we'll get it all with time

[acoustic osprey]

fair

but
it is disappointing

but it's indicative of evrima development
things aren't truly 'finished' when they're added in

[hexed forge]

I dont see anything unique

[muted reef]

It bites em in the butt eventually

[fast forge]

it's very little
some deformations on land, weird ridges in the water

[hexed forge]

But still, that base is probably still coming in the future. Likely

[hexed forge]

Like every other coastal place in NW Ridge/West Access

[fast forge]

that's true, that area is rough

[acoustic osprey]

i'll see if I can find my old photos

like
you can see this line connecting to the island

[fast forge]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[lethal moat]

I’m interested to see if that area is partially secured like a deep sea oil rig

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[acoustic osprey]

fun thought
we should remake the dibble video

as if it never corrupted in the first place lol

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-that-dan-gallagher-fatal-attraction-s1-e7-i-like-that-idea-gif-5707304908109937196

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-garn-47-garn-car-garn47-gif-17918098241540694989

[rigid juniper]

@crude trail

[acoustic osprey]

uh oh

[acoustic osprey]

wack

found ALMOST the same computer magazine on UE marketplace

it literally uses the SAME photo
just a different edit of it

what's interesting about 'these' magazines
is that they exist in real life

but are by an actual company/publisher

pretty needless information
but I do want to do some research on "BYTE"

feels like the last straw of propaganda against computers/technology on the uprising
before the world 'became' techno

found a lovely archive of ALL of byte's magazines
https://vintageapple.org/byte/

[low scarab]

I really hope don will create some of his own documents soon enough

[acoustic osprey]

if he hasn't already

but we know it's not easy to do
having one dude doing all the writing while also being the director, i can imagine, isn't very fun nor straightforward

from what we know
there was a report written for Troodon
which, iirc, brought in 'the horde'

this was before ERRANT-291
then ERRANT-291 was released some months later

wait no
he talked about it when ERRANT-291 was released

no wait
10 days before (there you go)

so
interesting turn of events
knew it was 'before' errant-291

but
10 days? Quite interesting

I can imagine ERRANT-291 was written way prior

however, to be fair
re-reading this

it seemed to have been a video of sorts (potentially)

maybe?

I'm writing anomalous incident reports, which is just my fun way of talking about dinosaur abilities in the narrative setting. Most of it is spent humanizing people that aren't relevant to multiplayer just so you want to read.

The vast majority of the troodon's takes place with audio transcripts of interviews and snippets of personal journals over a short, but unspecified amount of time. So you'll get what people think they saw at the time and they wrote down vs what they recall much later when audio interviews occurred. There's also specific notes jotted down amongst the scrabble of factual information that's cross-referenced with island utilities such as cameras or when biotracing is created, so you can be like "Dohoho it wasn't an error! " instead of left completely wondering.

I haven't had characters spring up across multiple reports.

but yeah
he seems to infer that he intended/had written up drafts (or early ideas) of several reports/summaries

nothing saying "I HAVE FINISHED X"

[hexed forge]

I assume it was perhaps scrapped, maybe

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say scrapped

i don't believe Don wants all the written work he's done a few months/weeks/days prior to ERRANT-291 to be thrown out the window

of course, being the artist/creator of such, makes you feel like so

but I don't believe Don wants a majority of these to be spoon fed in #isle-phase-three or alike

however
that's assuming we know the direction of lore that Don wants to go with giving us information through "X" "Y" and "Z"

we've definitely seen different methods though

legacy being hyper cryptic - which is enticing ||and i'll see a lot of doomers on other discord go on about how isle lore was better because of so ... ah yes, a story is good/better because it is designed to tell you nothing|| .
including a cryptic stream which had the user inquiries

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

Evrima through many mediums
like Mechanic and/or Dinosaur-focused Videos ||AUGUSTUS and Dibble Vid|| on YouTube

and through discord with #isle-phase-three for ERRANT-291

but all 3rd party

the closest we got to in-game
was

in legacy with the radio tower

and in Evrima TCAM Hunt

i do wonder if Don wants to stick to more 'in-game' lore aspects now
or if he'll continue to have actual lore being posted in 3rd party areas like YT and/or Discord

this is excluding dev information
which IS useful - especially from Dondi
but isn't lore lore

[static condor]

yapping

[acoustic osprey]

another one

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/PYur2S_pByk
one of them is on a CP/M

which i really wanted to make an AE boot-up video like this

mainly just the colour is pretty cool
of orange

one of them is an actual real book

like in-game

[median shuttle]

I wonder if this is a marketplace asset or if this is a name for some of the vehicles (found by the garage next to east dome)

[acoustic osprey]

marketplace asset sadly

of course

[lofty swallow]

I swear I saw a matpat theory using magazine assets for lore, yall are madmen

[lethal moat]

I’m very hesitant to consider marketplace assets lore

[fast forge]

matpat has an isle vid?

[lofty swallow]

nono it was a different game, I just meant using magazines for lore

[hexed forge]

That's a dream

[low scarab]

I would make the argument legacy’s lore was designed and given in such a way that is better than what we have in evrima but that does ignore that we really haven’t gotten much in terms of evrima lore actually in game yet so I am going to refrain from really picking a side until we at least have a complete gameplay loop (elders) and a ui overhaul

[lethal moat]

I agree, I think it's up to less material for Evrima more than anything

[low scarab]

And overall polish too. I think legacy had a head start on the implementation of lore

[acoustic osprey]

I disagree

[low scarab]

Hmmm why?

[lethal moat]

Well, less percieved material, there's probably a bunch we don't see

[acoustic osprey]

like I said before
Legacy was cryptic

As much as I loved Legacy
it was, like any art, reflective of its current media, design and culture - which was that, in 2018 (and leading from 2017), it was all 'hyped content' / 'hyped creation' for the future of The Isle
prior to the recode being announced

Name anything in Legacy lore that WAS lore
not pre-existing characters, but their ACTUAL lore to the game.
And the design you see will almost be, 9 out of 10 times, being pretty cryptic piece of media (albeit, would still bring a lore question or two in. Which, at least, both legacy and evrima does well)

I do not mean to say that design, by default, is bad
but it's something that makes me- a story enjoyer- get a bit sad.
Sure, doomers and old isle players will say that was when isle lore was strong; but it wasn't.

You can't just have a story out of minimalism.
Of course, you technically can. And it can be done pretty well.
But in the context and art style of The Isle? There's so much more that can be done.

IF The Isle lore was linked to the soviet union and the Cold War.
A minimalism-esque and very brutal + cold environment and environmental storytelling being the core aspect of the game's lore WOULD be great
It fits the vibe, art style and then you could add something unique or two to spice things up.
but for the most part.
We seem not entirely linked with the Cold War - seemingly being right after or at the end. Which was a pretty dead time for the cold war, compared to the early to mid cold war.

[fast forge]

So what you're saying is that The Isle takes place in Cuba during the Kennedy administration, got it

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

Would be interesting if the rivals also backed different superpowers

[acoustic osprey]

we do know that AE don't have the choice with whom it works with
i doubt AE are directly "American-linked/backed"

but would be interesting
global politics of The Isle

we've never really been given an insight into such honestly
ever.

maybe in very very very early lore?
But, i wasn't there to lore everything in 2015 with the dondi

[lethal moat]

I bet it's not looked into much, if at all, but it's fun to think about

[acoustic osprey]

until now!!

[acoustic osprey]

i would've said that if Gen1s didn't get talked about recently

I do wonder if there is and, if so, what the public / governmental perception is about such

[lethal moat]

I'd love for gen 1 to just be public knowledge

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah
do wonder

do we care about the world around AE?
Or is AE the only world we need to know because it is best world 😊

[lethal moat]

I'm more focused on the economic condition of the world than the political condition

[acoustic osprey]

some might say they're pretty closely linked

[lethal moat]

I still plan on writing a shipwreck story once we get more information

[hexed forge]

Let's call the random lady in Texas again yay!!

[acoustic osprey]

NOO

[hexed forge]

I doubt

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-pirate-captain-ocean-gif-16296042634591047056

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[snow jasper]

Sad

[acoustic osprey]

tldr

2018 legacy a hype machine

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-lion-king-mufasa-forget-dont-forget-gif-16698250

[low scarab]

Yea I like that answer hyped content is definitely something the isle still relies on heavily even now but I’m not saying legacy was better because evrimas lore is bad I’m just pretty much illustrating evrima is lacking in what legacy already had built upon it like the loading screens or the Morse code radio tower lights or any other in game lore assets while this was definitely hype based and cryptic what we get now is somewhat similar although we get more straightforward answers sometimes most of that is taken straight from dons word (also sometimes very vague) we don’t get to see much of it actually in game now not to say getting lore straight from dondi is worse or oh back in the good old days lore was so much better I just think legacy seemed to revolve around its lore more and had more actually inside of the game simply because it was the first attempt at the isles development while evrima uses a lot of legacy’s ui and lore which may be outdated or just not fit the same tone

[low scarab]

Very true though I would argue to some degree it still is

[hexed forge]

Train...

That train looks really modern, when did legacy take place?

[acoustic osprey]

2017

[hexed forge]

Oh

[low scarab]

Also who is this gerald guy

[acoustic osprey]

I understand where you're coming from
and for your merits. I do believe it has something over Evrima

but that aspect, I find for me, doesn't do it and just adds to what I see as why i dislike legacy lore over evrima lore

upon it like the loading screens or the Morse code radio tower lights
being that these things link back to "will almost be, 9 out of 10 times, being a pretty cryptic piece of media"
like
the morse code tower

albeit, the loading screens were nice and were not that overly cryptic. Which was good.
my issue with the loading screens - I have the same issue with Evrima atm
is that so much information is lined out.

but yes.
I can see your point.
Both definitely weren't and aren't finished products; sadly
however, with Evrima, it's not super overly cryptic ... where you don't really even understand the simple context of what could be happening for theory sake

Have a look at ERRANT-291. Pretty cryptic.
But the reader can deduce several things from it but also, at the same time, question it. Where it is usually 'deduce only something very minimally' then question"
He is an 'errant' - he was a worker
He died and had this ''map" on him
then Where was he going? What is he doing?
etc

then you look at something like the Olympus Transmitter
and it's a bunch of out-of-context philosophically-aspected tweets
Overly cryptic
and only one question "what the heck is going on"

but yes
Legacy development had a lot to hype on about

Evrima development? Sure, not so much anymore
and I'd say the same for Evrima lore as well. Not much to hype about, if you're a normal fan - which was the opposite for Legacy in 2018, which had a lot of lore hype as well

BUT
Legacy from 2017-2018 had a lot of painfully overly cryptic lore

IF anything
Legacy's User Inquiries was it's best go at answering these overly cryptic questions

through something that is cool
definitely

Just not something i'd do through a third party, which is what it was done on

[low scarab]

Ok yea so your saying like evrima’s lore being very vague still gives us more information compared to legacy

[low scarab]

It was?

I think I would say overall we are just lacking in polish and actual in game implementation

For both legacy and evrima’s sake

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

vague? no

[low scarab]

Ah I never knew that

[low scarab]

Compared to legacy no?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

just because legacy had more of something
didn't make it fuller

you can have two blocks be the same weight
but one is long and thin
and the other is small and thick

which one applies more pressure from a single point?

(the smaller one)

[low scarab]

Yea I’m just saying compared to legacy you think evrima’s lore gives more information overall

Which I would agree with

[acoustic osprey]

sure

but
that doesn't really take into account of this though
#isle-lore-theories message

same went with legacy in general though

[low scarab]

Ok I get what you mean I was not entirely involved with legacy lore at the time but knew the majority of it I’m not against the idea that legacy was less substantial I guess being just hype but I feel like evrima hasn’t entirely gotten away with it either your example with errant though definitely shows that we have less influence by hype building but I really think some of what don gives us can reflect legacy at times

[acoustic osprey]

aye.
But I'm not really talking about hype though

More so being overly cryptic

[low scarab]

Ok but even with being cryptic or vague-ish I think evrima can still show that

Although what I will say is a lot of times things may be elaborated on later which is good

[acoustic osprey]

I don't mean to say Evrima isn't cryptic
because it is

but legacy's style was being overly cryptic

[low scarab]

Your trying to say that legacy being overly cryptic is what made people think it was “better” in a sense?

Or cooler or otherwise different

[acoustic osprey]

legacy being hyper cryptic - which is enticing and i'll see a lot of doomers on other discord go on about how isle lore was better because of so ... ah yes, a story is good/better because it is designed to tell you nothing .

in terms of my quote

Legacy -> overly cryptic
which made it enticing
especially for doomers who look back at it today

[low scarab]

Ok exactly gotcha

I can agree with that what’s enticing for me though is I think legacy simply was more put together and had a better foundation in terms of in game lore not exactly the lore itself if that makes sense

When evrima (hopefully) starts to pull itself together and get its own ui its own ways of giving us lore then it will probably be significantly better in my eyes

[fast forge]

I think in terms of hype, right now seems like an intentional lull while they get core aspects of the game figured out. They want to keep some level of hype because it keeps the playerbase engaged and gives them an audience to test things with, but I think we'll see a bit more stuff as we get closer to evrima becoming main branch

[acoustic osprey]

legacy simply was more put together
I would disagree from a lore point of view

there were soo many things coming at lore from Legacy
which made things feel weirdly convoluted

especially when these things are coming from lore-aspects
not just Dondi talking

[ionic sable]

[ionic sable]

I disagree on the "more put together" front.

I honestly believe we saw a lot of core concepts and plot points for the Legacy story, but they were just that, nothing but singular points in isolation.
So saying they were more put together would be incorrect, we knew more but that doesn't mean we actually knew anything of substance.

[acoustic osprey]

basically this

you can have two blocks be the same weight
but one is long and thin
and the other is small and thick
which one applies more pressure from a single point?

[ionic sable]

Real.

Even in my own writing I've had to learn how to cut back on core ideas and plot points to tell a more focused and not terrible story.

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
sometimes you want to write more

there's a Sherlock TV Show
if you look at the pilot vs the actual first episode

the pilot is, sure, longer
but it had more of what was needed
which made it more enjoyable

the actual ep is shorter
but skips a lot of major points

a bit juxtaposed from your point

but
as a writer

you NEED to understand what you're writing, it's form, style and length needed

[lethal moat]

I'm waiting for the puzzle pieces to fall together

[ionic sable]

Like, Apollo Files is a weird example but it's still somewhat relevant.

I initially had like 20 different cool ideas that I wanted to tackle, but at this point I've narrowed it down to just 3-4 key points.
Like, I ended up cutting tons of political drama, competing mega corporations, military invasions, cold war conflicts, etc. etc.

Instead narrowing it down to what I believe would be the strongest emotional core.
Obviously when putting together a series it's a bit different from a Game, but it's a similar theory.

[acoustic osprey]

mmmmm

and you can get really excited when you get tons of ideas and the lot

[ionic sable]

Real

[acoustic osprey]

this is the problem with a lot of modern tv shows
they want to express as many ideas and opinions

[ionic sable]

At one point I even considered time travel.

[acoustic osprey]

LOL

[ionic sable]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo Engineering
being an oracle
by literally travelling time

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-20376735

[lethal moat]

Learning from your mistakes > time travel

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-minion-minion-girl-cyring-gripping-gif-23947866

[ionic sable]

But time travel is funny.

[acoustic osprey]

back to the...

[lethal moat]

Responsibility > the silly

[ionic sable]

But what if the silly can function as a Gateway to cosmic horror.

[acoustic osprey]

woah!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-deal-yeah-right-agreed-i-would-make-that-deal-gif-15679299

[acoustic osprey]

tartarus?!

What's that!

cosmic horror!!
YEAH!! that's better

Khaos !!

probably best depiction of chaos in a mythos-based game

then there's hades 2...

which is ok

just feminising for the sake of it lol

saying that
I do want to play Hades II right now

[lethal moat]

I feel like cosmic horrors aren’t as scary as knowing for certainty the nature of something and what it’s about to do

[ionic sable]

Cosmic Horror doesn't necessarily mean leaving it's abilities and capabilities are left open ended or unexplained.

It indicates a massive scale and the dread comes from that, but that doesn't mean the audience needs to be always left in the dark.

You can be sure of the nature of something, and it still apply to the general rules of cosmic horror.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yon-badass-god-strong-yonn-gif-14969094

[knotty locust]

(warhammer baby-cosmic-horror)

[lethal moat]

True, I was thinking more along the lines of eldritch horror, my bad

[low scarab]

Hmmm ok you may know more than me since I really got involved in the isle (and a bit of lore) right before evrima was announced however I guess I can see where your point is drawn if legacy really wasn’t put together and made of less organized lore drops it would make sense everything would be less useful and more cryptic than what we get now

[low scarab]

Ok yea sort of what I said to Isaac I understand your point that it was less thoughtful and less complete but what we had in game made me feel like there was more to the lore than there actually was at least as a new player at the time I still think looking back at legacy though, evrima needs more of its own assets like a good ui maybe bring back the loading screens some Easter eggs here and there something to paint a picture in game at least

That would make it demonstrate that there is more to the story in evrima as well instead of just relying on old legacy stuff

Although I understand much of it are placeholders

[acoustic osprey]

I will say this
just because a meal is larger
doesn't mean it has more nutriments

[low scarab]

• Isaac 2024

“In quotes”

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/olaf-wow-gif-22190506

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-indeed-leonardo-phillip-gif-19015458

[hexed forge]

Thought it would be nice to put this in here.

[lethal moat]

Exotic biomes where dinosaurs can go for specific environments/mutations

[low scarab]

please

[blissful sun]

What do the humans eat

Specifically Gen 2 because I think we know what Gen 1 feeds on

[lethal moat]

MREs seem likely

[blissful sun]

They are gonna run out of that eventually and I don't know if eating dino meat would be healthy

[lethal moat]

Airdrop more MREs

[blissful sun]

I kinda thought that they wouldn't do that

[lethal moat]

Why not? They send in more gen 2

Give them the bare minimum to survive

[blissful sun]

Oh they do

I didn't know that

[lethal moat]

Send in ~ respawn there, it really depends how they work

[hexed forge]

I want to jump out of a plane as a gen2.

https://tenor.com/view/c130a-irborne-jump-out-of-plane-gif-15525863

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26454802

[hexed forge]

Exactly

[snow jasper]

You know how dogs are able to distinguish different sounds as different commands, e.g. sit, paw, etc
I wonder if gen 1s will be able to distinguish 50% of Gen 2 mic users

Since dinosaurs will be hearing nothing but static but Gen 1 isn't as wild and not too distant to humans,
I'd imagine it'd be like hearing somebody on the end of an old military radio when there are interference from bombardments on the telegram lines

[meager rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQyui_AoKp0 omg this is so cool!!

[hexed forge]

Most of it may or may not be Canon to evrima, but time will tell.

[hexed forge]

I like the idea that Gen1 can follow commands like dogs. If trained properly. So perhaps yeah, maybe gen1 could understand a little bit of the human language.

[lethal moat]

Most of it's outdated or semi-canon. but yes, that's my favorite isle creature

[meager rain]

the more i looked into it i realized how old it was... they did recently post some humanoid concept art so im hoping theyre trying to get this going again maybe just a little different

[snow jasper]

I didn’t even think of it like that but that sounds even cooler

I was just saying from a cognitive standpoint

[acoustic osprey]

(most of it isn't even canon, just due to the nature of it being fan mde by Tap)

[lethal moat]

There's a lot, and there's even more we don't know

[steady valley]

Ok i want to steal snacks from a human now

[lethal moat]

Ovi being a little gremlin and stealing all the things

[steady valley]

Me as herra, about to steal a slice of pepperoni pizza

[snow jasper]

just smash open a vending machine for free food

[acoustic osprey]

will bring in what we talked about for lorecord for a tiny bit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1287215057863704666/image.png?ex=66f0bbf1&is=66ef6a71&hm=a206bf90fc780cbc2648be7e2b97e5a8cd7aa82a001937e04be112e1724af310&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1287201874650333194/376210_1.jpg?ex=66f15869&is=66f006e9&hm=28432349aa39b2f9b1c24e7695dbf84e9febd7978905098dbcc18863b224f8fb&

we never really noticed the QR code on this building

sadly - or more so weirdly ? - links to a film website

https://www.blauwfilms.com/
this one

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
bit weird

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[tender shard]

any thoughs of how fence on gateway looked before incedent?

it ooks kinda useles for me

[hexed forge]

Current theory

Thats what I and some other people think

Green means natural barrier

[reef canyon]

What are estimated routes for the whole GUTS stuff

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

We could just assume the GUTS are all going in a straight line.

But that's extremely unlikely, making it very challenging to actually map out estimations

[lethal moat]

We’ve only got entrances, so it’s hard to tell, especially since the monorail isn’t in

[reef canyon]

alright, but the monorail existed in early forms of gateway, so we do have that somewhat as a reference

[lethal moat]

Even then, I’m not sure if it connects back underground to make a loop

[hexed forge]

The monorail itself went underground, I think I made a prediction on the monorail placement. Let me find it rq.

This is based off of the old monorail in the Gateway ST

Its not exactly... smooth..or perfected.. But it works

[lethal moat]

I’m kind of curious if GUTS is split into two main sections on the opposite sides of perimeter because of the distribution of entrances we see

[hexed forge]

How would the 2 sections differ?

[lethal moat]

The upper section connecting to docks, volcano, and east dome, the others to that lower map area

[hexed forge]

Hmmm possible, but Docks wont really work since they are basically on every side of the island. (If the devs still follow the old gateway concept, which seems like they mostly are)

But wont it be better to have a direct route from lets say.. transistor to the volcano? Instead of needing to stop at Perimeter.

If thats what you mean

[lethal moat]

I’m not saying there isn’t, I’m just saying the prevalence of human structures that could be connected are more grouped together in those areas, with less stuff between, so the area between could be travel/storage underground for the most part

[hexed forge]

Ohh

That seems likely, more organized I guess.

[lethal moat]

Wonder if the visitor center could have a GUTS entrance for personnel, for evacuation and whatnot

[hexed forge]

What if the entire GUTS area in the swamp area is completely flooded

[lethal moat]

That would be sick

[hexed forge]

Yeah

Gotta use semi-aquatics

[lethal moat]

And it’d lend more credibility to the idea that the swamp wasn’t always there, and was either purposely made or accidentally created

[hexed forge]

mhm

Seems unlikely that they would make it on purpose tho

[lethal moat]

Why? Seems like the ideal hunting ground for the variety of semi-aquatics, could be a good testing ground in an area where the facilities are no longer in use

[hexed forge]

They would just let their facilities be destroyed? Well,

I guess that could be answered whenever we get more facilities in the swamps, I guess we could somehow interpret whether the facilities there were abandoned before flooding damage or it was destroyed while flooding. Idk

What if Neuro testing caused the swamp area to flood ?

Too much rain, summoned by Neuros. If thats still canon.

[lethal moat]

Maybe

I think it’s a case of “we don’t use it anymore, might as well make it do something else” like how the IS military will sometimes use outdated equipment as target practice

[hexed forge]

Hmm

That could be a reason on why AE could have abandoned their island on purpose(Assuming it was abandoned on purpose). And then just test their assets in a wild environment and monitor them via gen2.

Perhaps Gateway wasnt much of use for them at some point.

[lethal moat]

Could be

[short zenith]

Why is the mz always swamp

[lethal moat]

For the lore

[hexed forge]

The lore

[short zenith]

If this is the lore then the lore is ass

Why tf am i in isle lore theories i did NOT click this channel

[lethal moat]

You seek the lore

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-5950-thisbis-gif-25130080

[hexed forge]

Your destiny is to be in here

[low scarab]

its a sign

[acoustic osprey]

I can see that
especially since it purposefully had the tag 'submerged' (or whatever the specific term was)

and we know there are parts of the map that don't make 'exact' sense for things
as if the environment has moved due to the lack of human intervention

like the empty river bed near the volcano with the fence

[lethal moat]

And the massive dam and the smaller dams and the underwater tunnel things

[hexed forge]

Highlands used to have a river before Gateway released, wonder why that got removed.

[acoustic osprey]

specifically uses the same rock assets from Spiro

[hexed forge]

Would be cool whenever flooding comes in to see the Dams break and create a river.

[acoustic osprey]

that used to be a river

but then turned into an empty river bed

[hexed forge]

(Dams fix each server restart)

[hexed forge]

yea

[lethal moat]

The waterworks on gateway definitely aren't original

[hexed forge]

What do you mean by "Original"?

[lethal moat]

It's been altered by human interaction

I'm curious about the reasoning behind the massive wall at river delta

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah for sure

[reef canyon]

perhaps its to keep the mosasaurs out....

[lethal moat]

I rather doubt it

[reef canyon]

a dam in a river delta would really only be able to either keep things in or out

[lethal moat]

There's holes at the bottom for things to get through

[hexed forge]

I think that dam is just very unfinished

[acoustic osprey]

what isn't

painfully

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-suffering-death-star-wars-gif-25111888

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-minion-minion-girl-cyring-gripping-gif-23947866

soon

[hexed forge]

TM

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[fast forge]

I'm guessing it's a map-building limitation because intermediate environments are difficult (river delta blending into ocean)
in particular it might be the water color as the river side is brown and the ocean side is blue
If it were a real river delta you'd have to have a patch of brown water extend out into the ocean, and that's just harder to program than making a solid barrier that acts as a dividing line

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/iKx6sa7kSKg.gif

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-well-then-oh-i-see-alright-then-okay-then-gif-17879536

[acoustic osprey]

unless

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-idk-i-dont-know-obama-gif-15684252

[acoustic osprey]

it is so

has the splatter textures been red before? just remember them being black/oil-like

[snow jasper]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

when though

[snow jasper]

Ages ago, I remember blamining it on a red pen ink spill

it was on early islecord, before rumple purged some channels

[acoustic osprey]

rumple didn't purge the channels

[snow jasper]

Well, delete some he did
When I asked for it to become a communtiy server

[acoustic osprey]

on islecord? no

[snow jasper]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

which

[snow jasper]

It was some old lore findings channel

[acoustic osprey]

on islecord?

[snow jasper]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

you mean lorecord?

[snow jasper]

OH WAIT

yeah, can you tell i've not slept

https://tenor.com/view/evrima-server-the-isle-anime-computer-gif-23001807

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

I'm atleast 60% sure that means that you are likely correct with that.

Or I might be wrong and Don is speaking in riddles again.

[acoustic osprey]

just don't take anything to face value from him

especially gifs

if you want to be sane

[valid geyser]

sane?
thought most of the lore people weren’t sane…,,

[acoustic osprey]

it's a forewarning

[hexed forge]

I'm already insane,

I have nothing to lose.

[hexed forge]

Can you?

[acoustic osprey]

i could

[hexed forge]

How!

Impossible

[acoustic osprey]

i can't...

[hexed forge]

Oh...

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-kratos-gif-27114594

[low scarab]

Look at this now he’s count Cornelius c c Clark

What is happening

[acoustic osprey]

that's Count Cornelius Cromwell Constantine Clark the First to YOU, thank you very much

[low scarab]

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[valid geyser]

you’re welcome

[lethal moat]

I wonder if EIPs have an adjustment period, where the individual has to take time to get used to changing bodies, and if it becomes easier
That being said, we know that there's things AE doesn't quite know, and that they can't really predict which people go feral and which push through, just part of the process I guess

[low scarab]

I think what’s even more confusing is how do you mature from presumably being an infant with all of your memories?

[lethal moat]

Probably traumatic

[kindred bobcat]

ben?

he looks different now tho

[hexed forge]

That's a teno

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/where-the-hell-am-i-where-am-i-lost-in-a-field-confused-gif-11092516

The new guy when he got tasked to be a hypsi on gateway

[pure perch]

@hexed forge

[hexed forge]

Thanks.

[iron anchor]

there’s people out there who go their whole lives missing a sense and then get it back and it ends up being overload for them and they choose to not have it

i’d imagine it would be similarly uncomfortable having everything be in different places

[lethal moat]

I can totally see it

[ornate comet]

I sensed a disturbance

[low scarab]

Ben dog?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/friendly-yeti-monster-inc-disney-gif-17809648

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-himalayas-gif-20747986

[hexed forge]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

^meanwhile the new Profile thinking he can get out

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

(you cant ... you signed 🙂 )

[hexed forge]

They forget about the contract completely as they move closer to 1000 lives so AE could technically use them forever.

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

It has occurred to me that I’ve been thinking of AE’s assets as valuable and protected when the point is likely for most of them to be very expendable, as demonstrated through the mass slaughter that is gameplay, and how gen 2 gameplay will likely be

Took me too long for me to realize this

[acoustic osprey]

Would all assets be expendable?
and how expendable does AE take on for 'those' assets?

If something is expendable, to whatever degree,
what is the quality of the tests and data that AE wants then?

If you want to understand migration data, dietary data, etc, what level or point of 'expendability' must be lowered or raised?

then things we can't really predict
like personal and company biases

looking at Gen1s especially

not really 'expendable' or 'not-expendable'
but the ideology of creation for Gen1s

[lethal moat]

No, just most, named assets or experimental ones could be prioritized

[lethal moat]

Fire and forget weapon, release them, maybe they’ll die off themselves and leave no trace afterwards, maybe they need the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

so you believe these tests AE have been doing (done) would not really affected by lack of care / expendability towards these creatures?

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say expendability and appreciation+understanding of the natural world
are two different things

albeit similar

that asks the question

to what extent do AE believe these assets to be expendable?

[acoustic osprey]

I would say SYNTHS might be 'cared' for more
but
we do know that the unique aspects of Shirley and Dean weren't even realised at first
same with AUGUSTUS

i suppose you're technically saying this by saying 'named assets'
but we don't really know if SYNTHS are given named assets before or after.

I guess AUGUSTUS kinda infers that it was after
as both names are interchangeable
AUGUSTUS and his actual number code (174)

[lethal moat]

Given that Shirley and Dean seem to be fairly early rexes, I’d say they likely had some protections, since they were still researching the new creatures

[acoustic osprey]

rather than being either one of two things: Expendable or Indispensable

more so on the idea of being a spectrum in-between

[acoustic osprey]

but then you look at AUGUSTUS
and they couldn't even recognise him at first

[lethal moat]

Agreed, but a majority of creatures falling on the more expendable end

[acoustic osprey]

unless they kinda lost interest in SYNTHS?

[acoustic osprey]

definitely wild born animals

[lethal moat]

Maybe they weren’t named until after the incident

[lethal moat]

I rather doubt it tbh

[acoustic osprey]

rather doubt wild borns being less cared for?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
that's what I kinda think here

i do believe all SYNTHS have no name till they spawn interest

[lethal moat]

I misread that, my bad, we’re agreeing

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

By nature of the island creating a sort of ecosystem, there will be expected death on mass scales in order to keep that ecosystem going, AE’s work requires the dinosaurs to be expendable, that could also apply to gen 1 and gen 2, being used as tools to further AE’s goals

[plain trout]

nah as a dibble we win those

[lethal moat]

#Remember12278799

[acoustic osprey]

there's definitely a comment to say about AE that we see from the Dibble Injections

they seemingly refresh the environment

even tiny aspects you change in an environment can affect it greatly

[lethal moat]

Get an AI to manage it

[acoustic osprey]

AI or not
definitely going to see death to some degree

[lethal moat]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

heck
it may be so that the reason the dibbles got ambushed by the Omnis is due to this dietary refreshment in the environment

[lethal moat]

Don’t get attached to the animals, you’re just going to get upset

[acoustic osprey]

makes me wonder who and what EIPs connect to
in terms of what creatures

do all creatures need a 'mind'?
and therefore, a profile to run them?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/encogimiento-de-hombros-jake-hora-de-aventura-no-sé-quién-sabe-gif-21559288

I still think we’re assuming too much about EIPs

[acoustic osprey]

like?

[lethal moat]

We know that EIPs exist and that it’s tied to the TOMB and by extension, likely the replicator
We don’t know how much else could have changed, I’m not saying we shouldn’t theorize, just that we could be wrong about some things, and I kinda hope to be proven wrong about something, so I can change how I think about things

[acoustic osprey]

i mean

because there are still "EIPs"
we must assume a basis upon them, even with our minimal info for Evrima, just due to the very nature that they are called EIPs - and not named under a different acronym

like, of course, they could be a completely different acronym
but I doubt Don would do that.

that would be both very rare but painful

however
taking under assumption of the opposite
they must be profiles of a sort
they must be minds
and therefore, must be 'human' to an extent (the profiles themselves, not what they become)

then there are those more contested things about them that just come under theory work/guesswork

these things being what you refer to
things that we may assume about
but are, though, a large aspect of the theoretical element of EIPs for Evrima lore

like what are they made for? whom becomes EIPs? what are the extent of EIPs and their usage? Are they linked with BioTrace - and therefore, workers and connected to such?

[lethal moat]

We haven’t discussed biotrace in a good while, I just assume it’s like a signature in the genetics of a creature from the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

or is it something more mixed
like a digital signature for EIP-based workers

like being in a cyberpunk-esque world
where you have synth people and normal people

who do you identify a 'synth'?
and/or normal human?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1072247114043760640/Summary-E2911.png?ex=66f31bf1&is=66f1ca71&hm=f6a15a9ff50d122d079d10179c1be8bce3bd41a49f4dd3cf111e26493701c337&
like this doesn't seem very harsh against ERRANT-291 when he had no biotrace

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png?ex=66f31681&is=66f1c501&hm=c759edbdbdc145393f895a6154c8cc483409a69c9f6ae001f60730e50a8a0101&
where this says you must not tamper etc your Biotrace

[lethal moat]

I don’t think it would have progressed that far yet

[acoustic osprey]

i think the opposite honestly

they seem to have biotraces for their workers
do they use them like an identifying chip

a simple signature for created humans

I just assume it’s like a signature in the genetics of a creature from the replicator
like you refer to here

[lethal moat]

I think it’s more of a company policy for security purposes than a normal thing that people would be able to develop stigmas about

[acoustic osprey]

being that it seems to less be something untouchable in your genetics

https://gyazo.com/f3baf2bba40ad57ce2697f8f3d1c92f7
looking at this

[lethal moat]

Might be involved with the tracking chips then

[acoustic osprey]

potentially
but does that seem to be a bit far?

seeing as we know workers can have / must have a biotrace

or, that just depends on your contract

you signed it ... you get all these cool benefits ... just we gotta know where you are 24/7

[lethal moat]

Might depend on the contract, as well as what era of AE’s skill/policy you’re in

[acoustic osprey]

would make sense for ERRANT-291

for being in the end of 'the era' of active AE on the islands

[lethal moat]

Start out with tracking chips, move on to genetic ID tag

Just as an example

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as things like Olympus Transmitter are offline during ERRANT-291

[lethal moat]

Not knowing where things are on a timeline makes things a bit more difficult tbh

Especially since we know AE develops things, so having a variety of snippets from different times can make “landmarks” so to speak less credible

Like trying to figure out what broke the fences could vary depending on when they were broken

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-is-it-too-much-to-ask-for-both-best-of-both-worlds-why-not-both-gif-3787079

I see them using both.

[fierce cradle]

My theory is they have imported a very small of human intelligence to the dinos (We players are the intelligence part)

[lethal moat]

EIPs then

[lethal moat]

That’s the point I’m making

AE’s whole process likely changes as they progress further into their research because they’re focusing on different things

[hexed forge]

I see

[timid basin]

what is ERRANT-291? I feel like the game is going to be like SCP

[hexed forge]

ERRANT-291 is a classification for an incident.

Errant is a person or thing who experiences unusual behavior iirc.

"Something unusual"

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What happened in ERRANT-291 incident?

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In this case

Errant was a person roaming the GUTS until they were captured, and then supposedly they committed suicide while investigation.

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It’s an incident report, we use the report name to identify the individual

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1072247114043760640/Summary-E2911.png?ex=66f3c4b1&is=66f27331&hm=f9db5cca39df5999a61128c9bf64fede300878df8491a28a1e6d007488cf83d6&

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^

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Here’s the stationary https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png?ex=66f3bf41&is=66f26dc1&hm=24289ad042f15231f44dc662db19ae7c9afe5cefd0af60c9c25080a9dc35bf03&

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One of the biggest questions on this topic is where the hell is that place.

In my opinion I think it might be site 12

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https://tenor.com/view/batman-where-is-she-nikkal-nikkalkundhal-nick-gif-18076474

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https://tenor.com/view/the-office-creed-bratton-dont-gif-7928576

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I’m more curious about the individual than about the location

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What is size of Gateway?

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Roughly 15 km on it’s longest edge

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15km x 15km iirc

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Rival company spy

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Which one? And what did they want with the olympus transmitter

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They werent heading for the Olympus Transmitter tho

Going towards Olympus Central Control or one of the Entrys

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Then why did they know it was offline, why did they need to interact with it at all

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Simple communication perhaps, Spies would write that down, doesnt mean that was their objective.

Writing down that Olympus Transmitter was offline is useful information even tho its not the task.

By Simple communication I mean that they could have just saw a "Warning sign" or just talk to other employees.

Doesnt mean that they went there and checked it.

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Still had to either access or try to access it to know it wasn’t working

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I disagree

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Then how do they know it isn’t working?

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Communication

Heck AE couldve even made an announcement in that facility

"Olympus Transmitter is currently down for x amount of time"

Something like that

On the PA system

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I don’t buy it, they found the person out pretty quickly after they found him, I think it was a very poor disguise that doesn’t pass anything more than a cursory glance

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I want to point something else out rq

Why does the guy have a date written down?

Is that the date of him doing his "main" task,
Or
Is that to possibly tell us that this guy has been in AE for longer than we think

Walking through GUTS for several days perhaps

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Might be the date of a planned attack or of a significant development within AE

Or when he got there

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Trying to find the 3 dates on the Errant paper, cant find it lel.

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There’s tons of things it could be

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Yea

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https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-cooper-bbt-sleep-i-dont-need-sleep-gif-5115394

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Hmm

Okay maybe he was checking out the Olympus Transmitter, or.

He was returning from whatever he was doing in A and B(Or Olympus CC) through the D section

Possibly, maybe.

Im not sure anymore

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Those lines don’t need to be the only direct paths, we don’t know what the dots are still, maybe pneumatic tubes, but we know they never found how he got in, there’s likely some path they don’t know about

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https://tenor.com/view/vent-grizzly-we-bare-bears-crawl-crawling-gif-16691615

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Secret tunnel!

Through the mountain

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Troodon incoming

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I think they were trying to find a way out that wasn’t blocked/guarded

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Mmm possible

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https://tenor.com/view/die-hard-come-out-we-will-get-together-few-laughs-gif-15914937

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Surely that same weakness/breach won’t ever be abused or harm AE in the future

Nothing bad ever happens on the islands