isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

might've found the original marketplace model

[hexed forge]

Nice

[acoustic osprey]

(seems to be no QR code though)

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-9567425571520721039

[snow jasper]

mark my words, they're gonna one day add the texture of a functioning QR code and its gonna be lore

[acoustic osprey]

i could be looking at the wrong seller
but the cans also match up with what we see in Isle as well...

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[snow jasper]

but its gonna be something really really awful

[acoustic osprey]

it'd be something very neat
even if it's something small

[snow jasper]

awful as in, you'll feel wasted after finding it

[hexed forge]

Also another detail is that Filipe reacted with 👀 to a picture of the QR code. Probably means nothing tho lel.

[zenith frigate]

its a rickroll

[acoustic osprey]

(it's not)

unless it actually is

[zenith frigate]

use this

actually im at docks lemme get a really good picture of it

[hexed forge]

Is it?

So was it a joke or not

[acoustic osprey]

it's not

[snow jasper]

cmon, try and at least make it look good

[acoustic osprey]

but that QR code does take you to a rick roll

[lethal moat]

You can see that's edited right

[hexed forge]

Ok good

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1281804770830712915/376210_20240504130127_1.png?ex=66dd0d38&is=66dbbbb8&hm=a9ce6074fab0833d931a883fefa5a8444d3f3b70437b54052f75988a5bafcc82&
it's not the same QR code though

[zenith frigate]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1281783139634516058/virus_of_some_sort.jpg?ex=66dcf912&is=66dba792&hm=ea02dbaba9a751f12c6515264eeb0848599866befede6388489c2e36baba111d&

[zenith frigate]

heres the actual

[acoustic osprey]

I am now going to tinyurl you to a rick roll

[hexed forge]

Too pixelated I think

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[zenith frigate]

thats the highest quality ingame

[hexed forge]

We shall never know

[acoustic osprey]

any image is good for reference though
if I can try and get it translated

[zenith frigate]

in a bit of trouble gimme a second i can get more

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[snow jasper]

get ai to replicate it

[hexed forge]

The docktahs are on his tail

[acoustic osprey]

tried to upscale
but yeah not fun

[snow jasper]

darn

[hexed forge]

I don't think we should be focusing on that too much tbh

99% chance of it being nothing

[acoustic osprey]

it's just something that we couldn't get through since it being in Perm

[acoustic osprey]

just
it doesn't have it on the original model?

So why

makes you think

[hexed forge]

Are you 100% sure it's not on the original model

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
it lines up pretty close

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

but I'm going to docks again just to MAKE SURE

because all the pictures i have don't show the full model in-game lol

[hexed forge]

Watch it be some docktah lore video

[acoustic osprey]

but all the general embossed-looking aspects match

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/vending-machines-food-drinks
Here is the model

there are some changes
but it matches a lot

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

but you can never be sure
so I'm going to recheck

https://gyazo.com/625a4ef0153f0c125e15664a55e6a61c
this one

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah no, I don't think it's that one.

Well maybe...-

I'm not sure

[zenith frigate]

i have been mauled to death

[fast forge]

congrats

[zenith frigate]

i will return to the docks shortly

[hexed forge]

Lol

[zenith frigate]

I found an invisible wall that makes metal footsteps sounds when i walk into it

-290,069.703, 463,373.046, 25,773.472

and an invisble floating platform

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[zenith frigate]

with the amount of walls it seems like an entire structure just made invisible

roughly

and now im stuck within the structure

this is terrifying

[acoustic osprey]

rip

is it just me or does it look like there's a slight change of the paint on the cement of the hyper fence?

unless that's just because of the rain?

[zenith frigate]

thats the closest your getting

[acoustic osprey]

i'll have to plug it into PS to remove the distortion

[neon gorge]

"we got a new bug report of messed up textures"

[snow jasper]

Don is taking notes

[acoustic osprey]

(to be fair, it's been low quality for a few months. Ever since we found it originally)

[neon gorge]

cave painting but with a painted on QR code

[acoustic osprey]

they're hip like that

[neon gorge]

cave paintings with humanoids walking with sun sticks

and roar sticks that flash

[fast forge]

I could see it with a carving. Carvings can be more intricate

[acoustic osprey]

there are definite similarities

[knotty locust]

no goddamn whey

[acoustic osprey]

like
the coin slot is the same

https://gyazo.com/87996f735938326e3fbe1dad7d8d954f

the text in this is different
but the model part is actually very 1:1

https://gyazo.com/6909531723866dd1875a46412862739b

https://gyazo.com/73308e7f8b6cf84d498b0307f42ca3c8
this also match each other pretty close

just that it removes the labels/front of them

they do seem close
but
we have no idea what Vis may or may not have done to them

so
there is a potential that they're the same but yeah who knows

so who knows if the QR code is from them or not

[snow jasper]

The one thing that makes the isle‘s lore scary to me is more to do with the fact about that one time Don told a friend of his and apparently he sat in their room for some time to deep it.

Really feels like what we know doesn’t even scratch the surface, and with the isle as an idea being well over 10 years old… I just sigh

[zenith frigate]

the vending machine is definitely a huge part of the lore

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26447803

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-edge-runner-edge-runners-cyberpunk-edgerunner-cyberpunk2077-gif-27635553

Hmm.. what was that one song dondi alikened the isle

„My body is a cage“

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-gif-26618962

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[snow jasper]

Really, who should we sympathise more with, Gen 1, Gen 2, the assets that see the light of day, the assets that dont, or the people who haven’t been mentioned

[acoustic osprey]

no one besides me

[snow jasper]

shame

[lethal moat]

There is no good guy

[acoustic osprey]

what is good

[lethal moat]

Pick who aligns most with your questionable morals and cheer for them

[acoustic osprey]

what makes something questional

[lethal moat]

typo

[snow jasper]

There is tragedy everywhere

[acoustic osprey]

no

[snow jasper]

Hypo

[acoustic osprey]

the question still stands
what makes something questionable (morals)

[lethal moat]

Literally anything anyone could find objectable

[acoustic osprey]

what makes something objective

[lethal moat]

Truth

[acoustic osprey]

and what is truth

[lethal moat]

Fact

[acoustic osprey]

can you define morals with facts though?

[lethal moat]

I think so

[snow jasper]

No

Your life is expendable, in the end it wont matter

[acoustic osprey]

in the end
nothing matters

[snow jasper]

What was it all for?

[acoustic osprey]

humans don't like, generally, killing or hurting other humans (or at times animals)
yet animals do do such

we just define our morals which what benefits us the most in our current context

how does the world of The Isle see their morals?

[snow jasper]

Break it down

Gen 1 has none, they live short of knowledge and what most would call fact and dont choose their own morales

Gen 2, pretty similar if I had to guess, more expendable, like ants, cogs in a system, their to follow orders and arent to question it without extreme consequences

The assets, whether or not there was any humanity in them to begin with, they can make do with what their body allows and do what they must, no matter the sacrifice

[acoustic osprey]

not even just AE assets
but the world in general

why does a bully bully? Almost always because something is happening to the bully itself

[lethal moat]

You can quantifty certain things about morals

[snow jasper]

Is the world even still functioning though

[acoustic osprey]

seems to be
from a "earlier on the timeline" pov though

like

we have some knowledge on "X"
but we aren't even given, for almost everything, on the actual "Y" of things (the actual axis of time)

[lethal moat]

We know nothing

[acoustic osprey]

and our only indications of time are very broad
and the times given in them don't say much

Like
1994-1999
great dates - but the actual video content is nothing

and ERRANT-291's only really helpful dates (the days, not the year because ... yeah)
only just highlights (theorised) a tiny aspect in which Don has expanded upon
just without a proper scope of the timeline

[lethal moat]

We see a very small piece of the larger picture

[acoustic osprey]

pieces, more so

small minute pieces of a grand timeline

[neon gorge]

a pixle

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kedi-şaşkın-kediler-yari-komik-gif-20384837

[lethal moat]

But yeah, once we get to the point of being similar to an ARG, then this place will get filled

[acoustic osprey]

definitely a sneakpeak into the future with the lore hunt, which was sick

[lethal moat]

That was very fun

[acoustic osprey]

fun to do
the find was a bit disappointing

BUT
the actual deciphering was great as well

we were just serving the community for this one

I imagine if there will be (which I hope there will be, it was pretty good) more, then I imagine the actual "find" ||the end result|| being more lore focused

suppose that's down to Don though

[lethal moat]

The new gravity falls ARG thing is something I'd like to see as a comparison

[fast forge]

huh?

I'm familiar with the show

[acoustic osprey]

very very new stuff
from a few months back

basically hinting to a new season/spin-off (or sequel) show

[fast forge]

oh cool!

[acoustic osprey]

mhm

had a matpat cameo as well lol
(the ARG)

[lethal moat]

So did weird al

[acoustic osprey]

oh nice

https://tenor.com/view/ben-folds-sucks-rocks-weird-al-rockin-gif-13547208

(ultra hard weird al reference)

[acoustic osprey]

Also Tamim made for (for anyone not in lorecord)
nice recreation of what TOMB could look like

|| > lights only show 10% of what u can barely see BEHIND||

https://tenor.com/view/soul-terry-searching-gif-20679312

[lethal moat]

I still think it's lots of empty vats and server and whatnot

[lethal moat]

I think of the TOMB as a database, with information and material constantly flowing in and out, stacks and stacks of filing cabinets is really inefficient

[acoustic osprey]

that depends

if the TOMB is just profiles
having a stacking system of servers and/or some sort of digital aspect

it'd wouldn't really be inefficient
more so how you'd UX/GUI it

that depends though
what's the middle ground between

the original mind -> to the EIP profile (mind)

like
what's the process?
Can there be two (or more) of the same mind ||using mind and profile here pretty interchangeably||?

is there a digital (or akin) aspect as a communicator between?

like how catholic priests act as the communicable instrument between person and God for when a person calls for reconciliation

is there a similar process (but more physical/digital, of course, not theological)?

[lethal moat]

I think the TOMB doesn’t have to be exclusively physical or digital, it can do both

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
i think it'd be more efficient by just stick to one thing

basically separating body from mind

unless TOMB is very big (with several sectors)

[lethal moat]

The TOMB can be an overarching designation for multiple things

We already know they have separate archives

Maybe TOMB is a designation for a certain type of archive

[acoustic osprey]

but was this said for TOMB though?

[lethal moat]

Nope

It’s just a theory

[haughty tundra]

Any new lore things found in the new docks?

[acoustic osprey]

nothing worthwhile

some of the interesting stuff are marketplace assets, which are a bummer

but yeah
we discussed this before - but we don't really know what they've done to those marketplace assets

so they're not fully invalidated

just harder to make decisions on

[acoustic osprey]

i do wonder if the security console, such as the ones in the dockmaster, are the computers that are linked with MCAMs (and even TCAMs)

but also, if they are the computer used in the AUGUSTUS video

that being the AY59Pro R2.33 ||if that's the correct way to name it||

[knotty locust]

wait I recognise that console from a dev blog

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, it was a few months ago

[hexed forge]

I would imagine the computer to be in H4

[acoustic osprey]

i don't mean that specific computer lol

I imagine AY59Pro R2.33 being like saying "iPhone 6s"

well
more like saying Toyota MR2 AW11 1987

a bit more specific
but not the serial/production number

[hexed forge]

Ah I see

[tired lodge]

Did that QR code lead to anything or not?

[hexed forge]

We didn't get a good image of it so no

I'm going to try and find it at the Docks today tho

[tired lodge]

I'm really curious to see if it leads to anything. I also was thinking there's a chance it doesn't lead to anything YET.

[hexed forge]

Im at docks

Doesnt take me anywhere

The QR code

Lockers

[fast forge]

are you sure those are lockers? most lockers don't say "high voltage"

[snow jasper]

I would say they're breakers or mth

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-dr-ellie-ellie-laura-dern-gif-17077130

[fast forge]

yeah

[untold carbon]

i took a bunch of pretty pictures of my cat so new pfp again!

[hexed forge]

Ah you are right

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[untold carbon]

me neither i used to talk here a lot for a little bit but not much anymore

[low scarab]

whenever someone changes their profile pic I completely forget who they are

[snow jasper]

you cant not know my name though

[fast forge]

same

[low scarab]

it isnt like I have a face to go with it and im not memorizing peoples names so I just entirely forget everything about them

[kindred bobcat]

I sure do love how im trying to eat a carno body that a dibble killed(that i helped kill) and the dibble just tries to run me down

[muted reef]

I need darker night time

[kindred bobcat]

aw man i love dibble players, i lost him, a omni attacks me, i run off, he sees me, and koncks me down from the tail tip and killing me, yippee

[muted reef]

Dibbles are assholes

[kindred bobcat]

their hitboxes dont help lol

[muted reef]

Yep

[kindred bobcat]

litterly the best greif dino cus they can knock everything down and does crazy dmg

[lethal moat]

How do you expect AE to have their employees work? I’m thinking something like on for 7 months, off for 5 months, where you live at work for a certain amount of time, then you go home

[kindred bobcat]

i was in the lore chat, huh

[lethal moat]

Yup

[hexed forge]

Once you are in, you are in.

You want to go home? Heck no, go to one of our island resorts tho :> (Hunting resort)

[lethal moat]

You can’t exactly leave the military or federal government either, that doesn’t mean you mistreat your employees

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

The only way I can see AE doing my that is if they’ve isolated their employees before they started working there, like at college or something, and made their whole friend/family network other employee’s, which seems unlikely

[hexed forge]

What does it mean when it said "Lineage displacement"

[lethal moat]

I still think that’s to do with EIPs

[lethal moat]

This link doesn’t work, but I’m assuming to be the Dondi quote, to which I say, our interpretation of things can be very wrong, and we’re likely treating something as fact that is absolutely wrong

[hexed forge]

Oh nonono, not the Dondi quote.

[hexed forge]

This.

[lethal moat]

That’s not employment, that’s rich people prison

[hexed forge]

We dont know that

It could be a vacation resort for their workers for all we know. It can be anything.

[lethal moat]

Alright, but never letting employees see their friends or family again doesn’t seem conducive to then wanting to stay loyal

[hexed forge]

What if

What if they dont have any family left. Or what if they dont even remember their family anymore.

[lethal moat]

1. How (If you say EIPs, that’s assuming they’re developed enough to actually do that)
2. How does that help

[hexed forge]

1 to my first statement and 2 to my second? Well

1. They just dont have.. any family.
2. 2 Is tied to EIPs, what if EIPs forget more and more of their past life with each life. And then at the end they basically have no memory of the outside world at all. Which basically makes them stay at Apollo for a longer time period, possibly until death. "Well but what if his family notices that he goes missing?" I truly dont have an answer for that yet, but what if I combine these two theories into one. Would it make sense? What if Apollo has enough power to just claim that their employee signed another thousand life contract. Heck he (The person) might not even remember signing one

[muted reef]

I want them to live on the south east island in worker villages

[muted reef]

Extremely convenient for every single person to not have a family

[hexed forge]

But then, If I recall a Don quote.

They dont even want to leave.

[lethal moat]

Both to the entirety of that statement, and like Catag said, people don’t just not have families

[hexed forge]

The benefits of working for AE might be great, and the employees just dont want to leave.

[muted reef]

Then what the hell is the benifits if they can't use them outside of work

[lethal moat]

There’s a difference in leaving the company and leaving the property

[muted reef]

They can only use their stacks of money on the island like what?

or whatever benefit it is

[hexed forge]

But they do, America has about 650k homeless people. 71 percent of which didnt have a family anymore. (Im getting these numbers from the first result on the top website.

[muted reef]

And almost all of them are bumbling mumbling drug addicts that can barely function

[hexed forge]

Hiring homeless people might be a possible thing that AE does tbh.

[lethal moat]

Are all homeless people qualified in genetic engineering?

[muted reef]

Exactly

[hexed forge]

They could be qualified in doing basic work, or AE can train them to do that basic work.

[muted reef]

Train mentally ill likely old people?

[hexed forge]

Not everyone in the company is an amazing scientist with a great mind yk. Some could be just like Jimmy, a forklift driver.

[lethal moat]

I don’t know why homeless people is what your first thought when there are other options

[muted reef]

Are they getting these schizo drug addicts in their 50's to do all their work?

[hexed forge]

[muted reef]

Very little logic is in AE hiring the homeless

[lethal moat]

Lets not make generic statements about a group of people like that

[lethal moat]

But I do agree

[muted reef]

Mb

[hexed forge]

Who would they hire then. What are your ideas?

[muted reef]

People

And they treat them normally

[hexed forge]

I dont believe that AE's workers ever get a opprtunity to visit their families.

Thats my main statement

[lethal moat]

Run your own schools to train employees and hire from within the other areas of Apollo so you know they’re more likely to be loyal, and give them time off

[muted reef]

There are probably qualities that you have to pass for to even work there so homeless being off the table may not be true but it wont exclusively be them

[lethal moat]

Why

[muted reef]

That is a way to cripple your customers loyalty and get them to sabotage you

[hexed forge]

"Once you are in, you are in" is my leading evidence.

[muted reef]

(Denis Nedry)

[lethal moat]

The context of that wasn’t the islands, it was loyalty/employment

[hexed forge]

I dont think employees ever get the chance to leave AE property. Unless you are a high valued employee doing specific tasks.

[lethal moat]

Why

[hexed forge]

Why would they need to?

[muted reef]

There is no evidence for it, and not much against it but it also is just illogical

[lethal moat]

Humans are social creatures, not robots

[muted reef]

In that case why not just make gen 2's their only workers as they have no family

Why get real people and lose money on them

[lethal moat]

Slavery isn’t a good solution to skilled labor

[hexed forge]

What if EIPs forget all their past memories of their first life?

They will be dropped off in New York and be lost as heck.

[muted reef]

Not all of their workers are EIP's

[lethal moat]

That’s assuming EIPs are developed enough to be working on humans, and that their workers are EIPs, and that EIPs justify slavery

[hexed forge]

Most likely not right, but theres one thing that is my concern.

[muted reef]

Huh

[hexed forge]

What if being an EIP is sort of like insurance in the company. You are after all working in the company around AEs most dangerous assets. If you fall victim to one of those assets. You just simply come back in a new body that is either a copy of your old one or just a gen2 body.

Would bring suspicion if suddenly a bunch of AE employees just die without notice if an incident happens.

[lethal moat]

So
Indefinite slavery that never ends

[hexed forge]

The thousand life contract ends. After a thousand lives.

[lethal moat]

Slavery wouldn’t work for skilled labor

[muted reef]

So I pick hypsi and drown 1000 times

[hexed forge]

Get punished via going to tartarus.

[muted reef]

[lethal moat]

AE shouldn’t be using slaves, there should be payment beyond you live forever on our island and do what we say

[hexed forge]

Why? You would still have the same mind concinsoness- I spelt that wrong but yes.

[muted reef]

Consciousness

[hexed forge]

yea

[lethal moat]

If they’re unhappy, they can mess up so much more

Brb

[muted reef]

They could murder the local gen 2 and steal a weapon...how'd that go

[hexed forge]

They dont want to leave tho

[muted reef]

So they're probably treated normally then

[hexed forge]

They have some sort of loyality to the company if they dont want to leave.

yea probably

[hexed forge]

I dont think my idea here ever brought up treated poorly lol.

[muted reef]

Not seeing your family could be considered that

[hexed forge]

You could see them after the contract is over perhaps.

[muted reef]

Wheres Don poppin in the chat when you want him

[hexed forge]

The Insurance idea is disregarding everything I said before that idea. So fresh up your brain.

[hexed forge]

Resting in Olympus

[muted reef]

He watches

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/zeus-and-then-along-came-zeus-lightning-bolt-gif-22424388

He watches and then drops 1 gif and makes us go crazy over it for the next 12 hours

[lethal moat]

How would you do that

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

The issue with your theory Cerato, is that you took one quote, and built a theory by assuming everything about EIPs

[lethal moat]

How do you get people to not want to leave

[hexed forge]

The benefits of working for the company might be amazing.

Every thousand lives you are like... "man.... that was fun... Ima do it again" Or "Man....that was great... Ima do it again"

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[hexed forge]

Either the payment, or WHO KNOWS!

Maybe its the feeling of constantly dying.

[lethal moat]

I’d argue there is no benefit that justifies slavery

[hexed forge]

How is it slavery

[muted reef]

The payment? That you can't use off the island

[hexed forge]

You could use it after the thousand lives. Like I said.

[muted reef]

If they know what the thousand lives are I doubt they'd care to use it after

No amount of money is worth that and they know what the contract is

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[hexed forge]

Some might say otherwise.

Cough @lethal moat

[muted reef]

I phrased that horrendously

If they have an ounce of common sense (assuming they know what the contract is) they'd know that the money is worthless after

[hexed forge]

Is it useless tho?

[muted reef]

If you are a mumbling dinosaur in a persons body

[lethal moat]

You’re assuming what the contract is

[hexed forge]

We always assume what it is. Everysingle theory related to the Thousand life contract is assuming.

[hexed forge]

Thats... no.

[lethal moat]

You’re imprisoning them and forcing them to do work
That’s slavery

[lethal moat]

Yep

We’re assuming the contract is different things

[muted reef]

Thats yes.

[hexed forge]

But what if you sign the contract that says you agree to work for AE for a thousand lives.

[hexed forge]

Which doesnt really hurt

We cant stick to one idea constantly

[muted reef]

What if the contract is 1000 lifetimes long instead of living 1000 lives?

Could be we don't know

[hexed forge]

1000 lifetimes long is unlikely

[muted reef]

What if it is and the actual work of the contract is unkown

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[muted reef]

My point is that the argument we have is flawed

[lethal moat]

Yep

We went deep into theorizing with very little evidence

[muted reef]

What if you're maintaining 1000 EIP's? It could be literally anything to do with 1000 "lives"

[hexed forge]

Everysingle arguement related to an idea we know little about is flawed.

Its fun to just shoot a bunch of ideas. And then see which one seems more likely as time goes on and we get more lore info.

[muted reef]

I don't disagree with that...but your argument definitely seemed like you were trying to prove it heavily

[lethal moat]

The issue arises in how much we assume

[muted reef]

Time to go eat some indian food be back in a bit

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-plan-theory-crazy-insane-gif-22079506

[lethal moat]

The point being Cerato, what benefits would be worth living 1000 lives as either a lab rat or a slave

[hexed forge]

Well,

One of your ideas were iirc were that maybe you enjoy doing what you know is helping humanity.

Im not saying that AE employees never have time off

They might get sent to one of AEs island resorts for a month. Who knows

[lethal moat]

That’s a nice part of the job, not a provided benefit

[lethal moat]

So still imprisonment

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/aj-holmes-tcb-tin-can-bros-idk-i-dont-know-gif-21538417

[fast forge]

Hey can you share that gif with Ben in a vat?

I need it :3

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184681758231363636/1219346714587304077/The_Isle_Lore.gif

[snow jasper]

hmm

[fast forge]

ty

[lethal moat]

My gifs refused to load, thanks Cerato

[hexed forge]

Rust

[lethal moat]

Lets gather everything we think we know about EIPs and the thousand life contract and regroup

[hexed forge]

We know that the thousand life contract is connected to EIPs and that its related to a thousand lives.

We know that EIPs are connected to TOMB and likely related to human consciousness being moved from x body to y body constantly.

I think thats it?

[lethal moat]

And we know that when people sign the contract, they know what they’re getting into, the contract isn’t deceptive

[hexed forge]

Yep

[lethal moat]

That means that whatever the contract contains, the benefits have to be equal to or outweigh the cost at the time of signing the contract

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Now what did we know about those things in legacy

[muted reef]

The benefit is one of those infinite batman credit cards but AE branded

[muted reef]

Hyper!

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-farley-no-idea-giddy-excited-nope-gif-5165531

Gotta ask Old Grandpa Isaac

[lethal moat]

@acoustic osprey Your ancient wisdom is needed

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/amiii-dance-party-dancing-grooves-gif-17139641

[snow jasper]

Maybe just holding the load was too much and overtime, physics happened
Tensions snapped the metal wires

[lethal moat]

Looks more like the grabber hand is what broke, not the wires

[muted reef]

Nah looks like magy jumped and slapped it with it's bad taste

[hexed forge]

Effects of rust maybe

[snow jasper]

LMAO, i didn't even pay attention to was was holding it up
I just asssumed it was metal wires

Only thing I cared about was the hanging crate

[muted reef]

Effects of magys awesomeness

[lethal moat]

Has anyone checked the water below the broken hanging crate?

[hexed forge]

Would be cool if we could see whatever was in the crate on the ocean floor. If its heavy enough

[lethal moat]

Same thought lol

[muted reef]

I'll feed my dryo rq and make the journey to there

[hexed forge]

Gotta be a beipi

[muted reef]

Nuh uh

I just get the water vision buff on my dryo and drown it

Or I join a diff server and play beipi...yeah lets go with that

[lethal moat]

Also, I was shocked by the number of triangles at the docks

[muted reef]

Yeah same tf are they for they're a meme at this point

[lethal moat]

Erosion

[muted reef]

[snow jasper]

I was thinking exactly that

[lethal moat]

But the more fun answer is anti-amphibious vehicle

[muted reef]

What is the helpfulness of triangle in both of those situations?

[hexed forge]

You quite literally will see 0.5% more than before

[hexed forge]

Prevents erosion

[muted reef]

Elaborate

[lethal moat]

Breaks up the water’s path and grabs onto solids so that dirt and sand don’t get dragged away

[muted reef]

Dude

[hexed forge]

What rumple said

[muted reef]

That is what I wanted lmao

Whats the water vehicle

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/amphibious-gif-25324058

[muted reef]

South plains!

[lethal moat]

You find them everywhere on most bodies of water

[lethal moat]

That was a joke

[hexed forge]

^

[muted reef]

Where are they in the photo

[hexed forge]

I dont think that photo has them

[snow jasper]

lol

[lethal moat]

It’s just normal rocks in that one, but it does the same thing

[muted reef]

So it's beneficial to AE how?

Why not get big rocks?

[lethal moat]

Easier to move and stack than rocks

[hexed forge]

It also protects any human structures along water from erosion.

[lethal moat]

The ones closer to town looked similar to that

[snow jasper]

Dolos

[lethal moat]

These are why anti-vehicle barricade was brought up way back when, it’s now a joke answer though

Dragons teeth

I feel like controlling the gas areas on the island could be majorly beneficial to whichever gen 2 camps out there

Charge a fee

[muted reef]

Provided gen 2s get paid

[fast forge]

Neuro brachi...

[lethal moat]

Nonono

In game

[muted reef]

But wait they'd be paying them and then getting payed back...

[muted reef]

Oh

[lethal moat]

Make people give food in exchange for gas

[lethal moat]

Alacablam

[muted reef]

So in the lore what is the unstuck feature

[lethal moat]

I hope vehicles are usable, I really want to hit dinosaurs in my car

[muted reef]

/unstuck out of the way

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/open-season-shaw-deer-run-over-meme-gif-12251156658227451666

[lament ibex]

I have a good theory what if isle onlyy worked on one dino and published it fast than work on 80 different dinhos and take 10 years

[muted reef]

Then we end up with legacy

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 getting small boats as well would be cool

Pteras ideal meal plate

[low scarab]

The isle?

[hexed forge]

Why does that actually look like South plains

[low scarab]

Exactly my thought lol

[hexed forge]

But no, its War thunder.

[low scarab]

Ik 💀

[low scarab]

I want cars

Imagine the highlights with your friends on a 4 wheeler

[lethal moat]

Backflip in a atv while being chased by a rex WOOOOOOO

[delicate delta]

any news on the isle lore?

[snow jasper]

Radio silent for a bit

[acoustic osprey]

which things?

[lethal moat]

EIPs and Thousand life contract

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-is-dead-wake-up-shake-gif-16686328

[low scarab]

did somebody say thousand life contract

[hexed forge]

Grandpa tell us your experiences

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-gif-26321140

[low scarab]

💀

[snow jasper]

Grandpa... is dead...

[hexed forge]

Isaac is an ancient artifact that has been studying isle lore since legacy times.

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/538756215925243925/Screenshot_20190126-082342.jpg?ex=66ddcfd3&is=66dc7e53&hm=c95f7c1e5270456d3da029216f4e1b7e624dcbe25dd044ebaf391745b04d3c75&

both EIPs and Thousand Life Contract are pretty interlinked, so here are a few in-game "TRANSMISSIONS" we've gotten (like the image sent in this message)

The end is never the end is never the end

Only through Death will you be free of this place. One thousand lives. That's what you owe Apollo.

No matter how hard you try, you'll never really be one of them. You don't belong here.

Your body is a cage. Apollo will set you free. Death will rise with the sun.

We wait for you at the bottom of the lake.
Please hold. Your reality may temporarily become unstable.

more on the EIP side

User Inquiry: The Matriarch
Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an
EIP.
(note coinciding - similar objective parameters with Matriarch)

User Inquiry: Operation Inferno
Generating…
One moment…
The acquisition of designate Phoenix assets at [REDACTED] location
Estimated 75 years of replicated EIP data between five subjects and initial process specimens.
Operation Status: Complete

User Inquiry: Gateway
Facility holding that transports EIP to Tartarus

(old breakdown - not by Dondi ||only the quote below||)

EIP:
An incomplete profile (Player) who shows potential for completion, capable of learning from mistakes and improving,gaining experience.
NEIP - Non-Embryo Intelligence Profile:
An incomplete profile unable to complete itself, incapable of learning from mistakes or improving.

User Inquiry: Who is watching us?
All profiles submit information to the replicator.
The replicator compiles this information and redistributes it upon Gateway.

Inquiry: You Are Not Alone
You are being monitored by the replicator.

bit more on NEIPs

Tartarus: NEIP Redistribution
^ Tartarus was the only place to hold NEIPs

this is the majority of what we got with EIPs

[low scarab]

thats a lot of words

[lethal moat]

Much appreciated

[acoustic osprey]

to note though

EIPs were the top of things
Thousand Life Contract being one aspect of such

so I couldn't really explain it much (thousand life ...)

[low scarab]

I was abt to send the sloth typing gif but uhhh i guess isaac was just writing an essay

[acoustic osprey]

you better understand it once you better understand EIPs themselves

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/old-salieri-amadeus-you-flatter-gif-20384746

[low scarab]

interesting it says apollo as a whole not apollo engineering

[acoustic osprey]

also, sadly, old discord no longer exists and old isle discussion was wiped
so i can't get old old stuff

[lethal moat]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

in legacy, there was no real distinction

[low scarab]

a lot of old old stuff is just gone forever

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

for all we know, in Evrima,
Apollo might be also synonymous with Apollo Engineering

just that they may need to make it "distinct" just as a façade

[hexed forge]

Song detected

Wait is it?

That one song Don shared, I forgot

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve4i4iy-ag

[hexed forge]

yeee

[acoustic osprey]

this song nicely fits
especially with the piano - being used in many in Isle's OST

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat I think this is some evidence to one of my theories. But its Legacy ofc.

[low scarab]

yea it fits really well I almost brought it up on a podcast once but i figured pulling lyrics from a song don said is kind of similar to lore isnt exactly reliable info

[lethal moat]

Cool, are people who sign the thousand life contract employees or participants in an experiment?

[acoustic osprey]

what makes you an employee anyways

i suppose you could argue "(hard) cash"

but, what Apollo gives,
is pretty scientifically interesting

[low scarab]

whats your theory

[hexed forge]

Employees cannot leave AE property until the contract is over, unless you are some elite special unit that is doing missions outside of AE property.

I also think of The Thousand Life Contract as also some type of insurance to their employees

[acoustic osprey]

why would you 'want' to leave though

[hexed forge]

iirc Don said that AE employees dont want to leave right?

[hexed forge]

Heres my insurance theory

[acoustic osprey]

i believe so yes

[low scarab]

I think somehow the thousand life contract gives people a better life after the contract is ended maybe they are given safety and security like an escape from a collapsing world

or are given eternal life

[hexed forge]

That escape being perhaps working for AE tbh.

[acoustic osprey]

a better life
for 1000 lives of suffering, pain and hard blood

[hexed forge]

But they dont want to leave.

[acoustic osprey]

i can imagine it being mentally EXHAUSTING

[acoustic osprey]

the majority may not
but what stops one or two anomalies?

I can see ERRANT-291 being one of those
but that depends on the extent of EIPs

[hexed forge]

I still believe that ERRANT is a rival company spy

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
what stops ERRANT-291 being a double agent

look at Dennis Nedry

disgruntled employee wants to seek revenge of sorts by gathering information

it would make sense

[low scarab]

errant likely found something out I think the most likely is that he is a gen 2 that discovered there is a whole world outside of working for AE

[hexed forge]

Seek revenge for all the suffering hes been through?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-in-case-i-dont-see-ya-gif-431648741633306521

[acoustic osprey]

Wouldn't be surprised

but that depends on what ERRANT-291 is
just on a whole

[snow jasper]

I hate the idea of uploading consciousnesses or anything to do with that
In theory, oh cool, you're basically immortal and that's what 99% of games, media does, whether you like it or not

But in reality, I don't think what makes you, you will ever transmit, only the attributes that made you, you and thus you will end with your body
What comes after is literally a fresh copy inserted into another biological copy based on your latest experiences, just some blade runner sort of rant, inserted memory stuff

[acoustic osprey]

we have truly no idea on how that works yet
I imagine it being pretty linear though

[hexed forge]

You arent fully immortal tho

[low scarab]

oh no im gonna talk about soma someone stop me

[hexed forge]

We wont stop you

[acoustic osprey]

but there's also this ship of theseus question,

how would you know?

as in
if you're a fresh copy mind

how would you know you're a fresh copy

sure you may be in a completely different body
but you're lead to believe that it is still you

[low scarab]

im trying to hold back so much as this is an isle discussion but it does make you question you are YOU so is the you you were before your mind got copied still you

or do you consider your current mind the true you

[lethal moat]

You are not the same person you were yesterday, why would that not apply to your copy as well

[low scarab]

your first life may have been human but if the thousand after that werent are you still a human -Isaac i think

[low scarab]

it could

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[acoustic osprey]

ship of theseus

what makes something something
once a new variable is added / or a pre-existing variable is changed/'updated'

[snow jasper]

If you go by "My body is a cage"
You're either aware that your body and mind is being replayed, but what you experience in the moment is temporary, you will be replaced by a mere replica of you who will come to be thinking whatever happened is true
Or,
You're constantly you, from the moment you signed the contract and gave your life away...

Both are horrible outcomes, but the first one is worse, your life isn't a gift, sure its always been a tool, but you will be born into a forge reality of previous replicas only to live one of the thousand lives around one specific life and its absolutely devastating, to think you will be reborn into a new body sounds like a failsafe, but the catch is, the life you lived, is not the same, your life was another stepping stone stacked on copies of the previous stepping stones of which you think you lived and so you live on unaware, until well... you realise the truth, you never lived out those memories and they were planted into your mind.

All AE Has to do once they realise that you know how your life is actually finite, is terminate the contract and cease producing anymore copies of you and delete your file, gone, gone like any other person who had lived a normal life. Except you was the one who never had that normal life.

[low scarab]

I wonder if AE can mess with peoples memories or thoughts

[acoustic osprey]

You still wouldn't be, mentally, 50% of you
you would, on paper, keep everything you would remember - everything, in your mind, that made you you
As a child contains nothing of you mentally - only physically

[snow jasper]

Technically

You're either aware that your body and mind is being replayed, but what you experience in the moment is temporary, you will be replaced by a mere replica of you who will come to be thinking whatever happened is true
Or,
You're constantly you, from the moment you signed the contract and gave your life away...

Both are true, you'd have to find out the first one and the second one is what would seem normal

[low scarab]

maybe thats how they keep the gen 2 working for them

[hexed forge]

What if you naturally start to lose memories of your past life?

Causing you to just join AE again at the end of the contract.

[low scarab]

after a thousand lives I would suppose that is the case

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say lose
more so deeply vaulted

[low scarab]

first part im not entirely set on this theory but I like it

[lethal moat]

I'd say probably to some extent, just by the ability to transfer conciousness

[snow jasper]

I dont think transferring consciousness is possible, seems too easy to escape death
Everything else, sure

Should rule out consciousness from past life memories

[lethal moat]

Are you not the composition of your memories and experiences?

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say they'd need previous memory

if you're not going to keep such
why use someone's consciousness then?

you're basically making a new consciousness

[snow jasper]

Sure, but if you die, you die
Anything transferred is a replica

A bit like AI, how everything it knows is based on whats already written

If you gaslit AI to think it did everything Mozart did, it would exist thinking it was Mozart in a digital landscape

[lethal moat]

Is it a replica? Or the same copy over and over

[acoustic osprey]

ship of theseus

[snow jasper]

If you give that AI to navigate, it'd chat on subreddits about music

[snow jasper]

Same thing

If I was to die, thats it, that consciousness goes black
I can replicate that consciousness and plant it in a body, but that will live on thinking it was me resurrected, or just a survivor, you decide whether or not you blur the point where you die out from the memories

[lethal moat]

Which of these is how the conciousness transfer works, you assume the left one, correct?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it's the right

[snow jasper]

Neither

[acoustic osprey]

(how you described it is akin to the right though?)

[snow jasper]

Sort of

[lethal moat]

I think it could be both, where you can make a new source at some point down the chain as a "save file" of conciousness so to speak

[snow jasper]

I'd have to show it in relation to memories if we were to put a statistic on it

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say AE would chose only one or the other

[lethal moat]

What if AE needs you to remember a mission directive that wasn't existing when you were first accepted into the program?

[acoustic osprey]

either they have a fractal-esque system of several of the same consciousness (once a consciousness dies, it is copied again)
or it is far more linear - there is only ONE unique consciousness, which is repeated again and again after 'death'.

[acoustic osprey]

what do you mean

[lethal moat]

Lets say that option 1 is how it normally works, but AE needs you to know something for whatever experiment they're doing

Or something else that would require a replication of a specific EIP, potentially like Augustus, with anomalous traits

[acoustic osprey]

if they're telling you to do something that started before you were accepted
then it doesn't really matter

they'd inform you on it because you weren't in the program when it started

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-alter-the-deal-empire-strikes-back-star-wars-gif-15971205

Or just a contract that has stipulations for change

[snow jasper]

I've got two here
With each life your consciousness is uploaded to, your memories stack, the amount of memories you make depends on how long the life that life lived.
Lives are separated because that consciousness ended with that life, the following life is always a Biological copy with the memories of the previous life inserted in the mind

In the first graph, overtime, there's oh so much the mind can mentally bare and eventually the memories begin to fade
In the second graph, the memories stack and you could probably lead to insanity, as to which one it is, that's not something I can decide, but assuming its torture

Your consciousness is yours, in reality, the only part that is mentally you is everything your life lived, nothing that was lived in Life 1 or that will be lived in Life 3 is yours, and when you die, you die with that consciousness. You will never move on with your consciousness, where your memories, experiences, body, etc etc will.

[lethal moat]

So it's the second, but getting more specific into how much your brain can handle

[snow jasper]

The real torment is when you realise the life you're living will not move along into the next life and you're really trapped in the cage that is your body at that given time
AE has two options though, they can terminate the time that involved you finding out about this, or just terminate production of you and cut the line

[snow jasper]

might've as well made a visual representation

[lethal moat]

Isn't that just the same as old age though? Different cycles of life, just over the course of many lives

[acoustic osprey]

it's why i see EIPs as being akin to astronauts

[young viper]

[acoustic osprey]

not really

YOU (specifically you) are only living in "Life X"
you don't technically go onto "Life X2"

but everything that made you mentally you does

[snow jasper]

Its really really complicated stuff

[acoustic osprey]

no it makes sense
I was talking about it before

[lethal moat]

By the time you are 80, you are an entirely different person at all as you were when you were 8

[acoustic osprey]

it truly is THE ultimate ship of Theseus

[snow jasper]

I'm laughing imagining trying to explain this with some childhood friends, they were literally thick as two planks

[acoustic osprey]

but you still are the inately same person

[lethal moat]

I disagree

[acoustic osprey]

innately you would still be

[lethal moat]

All of your original cells are long gone and you are deteriorating
You are a shadow of a copy

[acoustic osprey]

sure there is a "progression" of the consciousness
but you aren't a shadow of a copy with EIPs - in body

you'd be a completely new person - yet believe you are the same person from the "last life"

[snow jasper]

Going by what isaac is saying, whats truly you, is in red here

[acoustic osprey]

i understand what you were trying to say with the '50% of you as a kid' aspect with this a lot more
on the idea of how DNA is spent in genealogy

[young viper]

What's the whole point of this discussion? I got kind of lost

[acoustic osprey]

but the thing is
that is still pretty linear

[snow jasper]

ah well, the visualistion helps ig

[acoustic osprey]

your given DNA doesn't technically evolve 'evolve'
you still contain whatever "X" amount of your parents DNA from birth till death

[snow jasper]

Start here ---> #isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

the difference here with EIPs is that
it's a lot more chaotic

you are more likely to contain far more older memories of "life 1"
than versus DNA

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/life-will-not-be-contained-things-happen-it-is-what-it-is-chaos-its-gonna-happen-gif-16077046

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-oh-boring-leprechaun-wah-oh-wah-oh-boring-wah-oh-dead-gif-27189059

but yeah
i believe the aspect Rumple is saying is that

you would still believe you are you though
which is what I do believe

[young viper]

In short, you don't like the concept of old memories being passed on to a new body?

[acoustic osprey]

unless you are told otherwise by AE

[snow jasper]

Until you realise you're not...
but on average, that prolly wont happen

[lethal moat]

I feel like this is more a representation of our individual philosophies than legitimate theorizing

[acoustic osprey]

knowing you're a clone is a lot more distressing

[snow jasper]

Theres an element of whats possible

[acoustic osprey]

i disagree

[snow jasper]

This is the horrifying part that I've always hated, even outside of the isle

[acoustic osprey]

it's a theorised aspect of what would happen if you are cloned

"am i the original me"

[snow jasper]

watch elon musk essentially end his life thinking he will become digitally incorporated into the web only to trap a replica of himself in a limited world

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hands-up-invincible-scared-surrender-give-up-gif-21283550

[lethal moat]

Yes, we're presenting options, but the fact of the matter is, how each of us would react to any of these options would be different, and thus changes how we would react

[acoustic osprey]

i don't believe we've really expressed that latter part thoroughly enough though

[snow jasper]

Well, I'd live an eternal life of misery, thats for sure

[lethal moat]

I think I'd be fine knowing I was a clone

[snow jasper]

if the amount of lives are truly finite, I would end it till the 1000th

thats if AE permits general knowledge of this info

[acoustic osprey]

depends on what it actually says on the contract

[young viper]

Since I have all my memories and know who I am, I can't see the problem

[acoustic osprey]

if it literally says "1000 life contract" lol

[acoustic osprey]

won't be a problem for the clone
as the clone knows it's fine

but the original you?
what did the original you think?

[lethal moat]

I agreed to this

Or, I don't care

[snow jasper]

Well theres the philosophy part of it

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-gif-26733168

[lethal moat]

I am not myself, I am the composition of my experiences

[snow jasper]

But you are yourself, only 1/1000 of the 1000 experiences began at the womb rather than a machine

you only get 1 experience, and whatever position you came since the contract, thats how many more you get on top

[lethal moat]

At that point, I'd be a different version of myself, but I can still rest assured that my conciousness is mine, as long as I can comprehend that I = me and that I am in control of my body, I am myself, no matter what form my body takes, nor how much it experiences

[hexed forge]

What was the context of the "The body rejects" quote. Was it robo-quetz?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

mhm

[snow jasper]

And so you shall die with that consciousness, never to move on

what was that thesus btw

[acoustic osprey]

agreed to what though
to die? do you want to so easily die and be replaced by another of 'you' that won't ever be 'you'

[hexed forge]

Very interesting,

Wonder if its related to EIPs.

[lethal moat]

maybe

[acoustic osprey]

thought experiment and paradox about whether an object is the same object after having all of its original components replaced over time, typically one after the other

[lethal moat]

What's the quote from Ultron?

[lethal moat]

Alright, as long as the next one is also assured that they are themselves, that's a sacrifice I can make

[snow jasper]

Hmm

[lethal moat]

Everyone creates the thing they dread. Men of peace create engines of war, invaders create avengers. People create... smaller people? Uhh... children! Lost the word there. Children, designed to supplant them. To help them... end.

[snow jasper]

Thats solely dependent on what AE decides, which... we dont know

[lethal moat]

If it is a copy of me, it should know itself

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-age-of-ultron-gif-23723512

[lethal moat]

And that's ok

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/flatline-heart-beat-dead-gif-5496362

[lethal moat]

Plus, it being a copy could benefit me, whatever it goes through is it's problem, not mine

[acoustic osprey]

if we go with the more linear profile system
that's because you'd be dead

[snow jasper]

What if you only live a mere 2 weeks

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-well-edgerunners-cyber-punk-gif-26757478

[snow jasper]

born into your previous form
only to take a small turn into the jaws of a rex

Was your 2 week long consciousness worth it? would you be satisfied with that, with the knowledge that you only get one consciousness

[lethal moat]

The original was
The original was a real person

[snow jasper]

Only to then be plunged into the dark abyss, for eternity

[snow jasper]

But you're not the original

[lethal moat]

I have a purpose

[snow jasper]

to serve another's dream

and in the end, when all is said and done, was it worth it?

[lethal moat]

Depends what I helped with

[snow jasper]

Lets say you're responsible for maintaining the thermal energy plant

you just so happened to be called to fix a generator linked to it and, oh, looks like we're at that rex again, thats it and you die

[lethal moat]

Skill issue, I'll do better next time

[snow jasper]

Well... you wouldn't say that in reality

[lethal moat]

I'd be in a machine

[snow jasper]

wuss

[lethal moat]

Immortality would make me overconfident

[acoustic osprey]

but what are you that makes you immortal

because "YOU" still die

just another you takes your mantle

[snow jasper]

until you realise you dont have immortality
and when you die with that being your last major memory, its not nice

its like saying something nasty to somebody, who gets killed without you being about to say something nice or seek forgiveness, which is going back to the morals again

[lethal moat]

I'm changing all the time, that new copy of me in another body is just another change

[snow jasper]

nothing changes

only gets applied to something else

[lethal moat]

The experience is the change

[acoustic osprey]

then consciousness doesn't exist then

we are just a plain result of the now from before into the next frame
on repeat

[lethal moat]

It's more iterative than continous, but it's still change

[snow jasper]

your experience is yours
what happens, happens, thats life and its temporary in this case

[lethal moat]

And thus is my philosophy

[snow jasper]

life 1 electrocuted to death
life 2 eaten
life 3 drowned
life 4 bled out

nothing here is changing...

[lethal moat]

There is no amount of time that can be measured as "now" so to say who I am in this instant is foolhardy

[lethal moat]

Learn from the past's mistakes

[acoustic osprey]

now is just now
now is just the split second that is now frame

now exists
just that the human "now" is far more broad than the scientific now

[snow jasper]

maybe, but nothing changed, you're like an self writing AI, except with each failure, the AI is entirely rrewritten

Just like how one AI can adapt, so can one life
but this is not the same life, nor is it the same AI

[lethal moat]

There is past and future, the second you say "now" it is gone

[acoustic osprey]

there still is now though

[lethal moat]

Biological computer

[snow jasper]

that was then, now is now

[lethal moat]

It's gone

[acoustic osprey]

the second you do say now was during now
but now it is then

[acoustic osprey]

then now happens again

[lethal moat]

Already gone

[acoustic osprey]

then it happens again

[lethal moat]

By the time you even type it, the thought of now has already passed

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rigor-mortis-spl-super-probably-level-minekyn-sharko-gif-24154359

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/freddie-mercury-another-one-bites-gif-15132770

[acoustic osprey]

but as a type
it happens at the "now"

[snow jasper]

Off topic, I left my boots outside
and well...
Its lightning outside, I dont think I'll be wearing them this week

[lethal moat]

The change of who I am now matters less than who I was and who I will be because "now" isn't real, EIPs as a progression should not be taken as a snapshot, focus on the beginning and the end

[snow jasper]

gotta live British weather

[acoustic osprey]

definitely not taken EIPs as a snapshot
but there is still a clear distinction between living in the 'now'- constantly growing as a person- and a new consciousness

[lethal moat]

Maybe thqat time frame is too far or specific, past or future

[acoustic osprey]

as there are physical scientific control variables that can't from the two

[lethal moat]

Like I said, it's more iterative than I experience, but the concept is the same

[acoustic osprey]

not exactly

your body is still you as you grow
cells do grow and die
but not all cells grow and die at the same time

when with EIPs
you have a distinctly new body - all cells are different at that moment of being profiled inside the body

(however such sequence happens)

you don't just grow into your new body -as a profile

unless you do. But it doesn't seem like that would be the case - if you take the linear profile method

[hexed forge]

hmmm

[lethal moat]

Sweet, sounds like I'm ready to go, fresh out of the oven and ready to get going with my purpose

[acoustic osprey]

the thing is though
it won't be technically you

(again, with the linear profile method - so some assumption takes place)

[lethal moat]

What is "you"?

A soul? a brain?

[snow jasper]

Your consciousness, which would be your soul

Your mentality, your physiology, that can be copied

[lethal moat]

Depends if you believe in souls

[acoustic osprey]

the assumption has to be taken place in this game
as we have the existence of profiles

which are not distinctly brains

[lethal moat]

And if souls are something a machine can quantify and capture

[acoustic osprey]

unless something like TOMB holds your original brain
and uses some sort of bluetooth-esque system

[snow jasper]

Consciousness can be defined by experience in this case
as the consciosness is what truly experienced X, Y and Z

Where life 1 only experienced C, V and B

[acoustic osprey]

that is to say
we don't know the process of before and after EIP

i believe I was talking about that/made a reference to it yesterday

[lethal moat]

But remembers the experience of X, Y, and Z, or did at one point

[snow jasper]

not the same

[acoustic osprey]

(this is where the physical body takes place as well for the argument of conscious mind - as a control variable)

[lethal moat]

Exactly, you are the composition of your experiences and are never the same as you were

[snow jasper]

Life 2 experienced X, Y and Z in the flesh, it was there at the present moment
Life 1 never could

[snow jasper]

But life 3 would also not experience X, Y and Z, only remember it as if they did

Its fact

[lethal moat]

You only remember your experiences, same as them

[acoustic osprey]

i disagree
this aspect would make it so - that if you die, your 'next consciousness' would believe it would be the original (as if it never died - it is a continuation)

this is where the physical body takes place as helping define your present consciousness to a cloned consciousness

[lethal moat]

The body does not matter as long as you are capable of remembering your past

[snow jasper]

No, you can live them, or you can remember them
If you live them, you can remember them, and you are the ONLY one to have lived it
if you dont life them, you can ONLY have remembered them

[acoustic osprey]

i disagree
there is a difference
where the body is/would be needed to help define such

[lethal moat]

I disagree

[acoustic osprey]

(even if your body basically doesn't exist - where only your brain exists)

[acoustic osprey]

you'd lose a defining aspect then

[lethal moat]

You can exist in a complete void, you just exist differently, similar to how you are different from walking from one room to another

[lethal moat]

You are your past

You still have that

[acoustic osprey]

which is why i argue this

this aspect would make it so - that if you die, your 'next consciousness' would believe it would be the original (as if it never died - it is a continuation)

[snow jasper]

gonna take a break to watch this storm, its been a year without proper weather like this, I miss it

[lethal moat]

So you're a continuation of the original and the others aren't you because they had different experiences, that's fine

[acoustic osprey]

and this "exist[ing] differently"
is what allows us to define a 'new' consciousness from it's previous self

[acoustic osprey]

what others?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

The red x's

[acoustic osprey]

i'm more so arguing on the linear profile system
not fractal/multiple system

if there exists many yous at the same time
you'd definitely have a sense that you're not originally you - more so you may feel yourself the heir of the original you

[lethal moat]

That seems a bit self righteous

[acoustic osprey]

might be
but people are very selfish-thinking

[lethal moat]

The fact still stands and we've come full circle, who you are now is not who you were in the past

[acoustic osprey]

twins argue who came first
countries argue who had the land the first

people argue what they believe to be true

[lethal moat]

People are/can be stupid

[acoustic osprey]

I won't say stupid
definitely quite selfish

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of EIPs
yes

[lethal moat]

In my way of thought, it's the exact same in real life, me 10 seconds ago is not me in 1 second

[acoustic osprey]

i don't really agree honestly

i understand what you're saying though
that people do change
Which, yes, I am different from what i was 10 years ago (or even an hour ago)

but I take the control variable of the body as the defining point of what still makes me me

as then
there would truly be no "me"

akin to what you were saying about "now" - there is a "now" but it is so minute and single framed, that saying it now would be in the past

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[acoustic osprey]

why is why I argue this as the defining point against such

but I take the control variable of the body as the defining point of what still makes me me

[lethal moat]

I feel like this is a good point to call an end to the conversation, because it's become a difference in opinion/philosophy, but yes, wether or not an EIP is you is a fun conversation

But if you decide to sign up to become an EIP, I hope you are very sure in who you are so you don't get lost

[hexed forge]

What did Don mean when he said "The Body rejects" in context of robo-quetz.

(Trying to start a convo)

[snow jasper]

I like this topic

[lethal moat]

Philosophy is fun to debate

[snow jasper]

Machine and Biology were never meant to be compatible

[snow jasper]

It was a mixture, thats for sure

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
(context)

[hexed forge]

So is it an EIP rejecting the machinery? What specifically is going on.

[snow jasper]

Was gonna pick philosophy for A level, figured too many people would choose it and often not get far

[lethal moat]

I was talking about how AE has enough knowledge of the brain to copy somebody's conciousness, they probably know enough to interface it with machines

In that situation, I say get rid of the body and make it all machine, you don't need it anymore and it slows you down

[snow jasper]

Depends how they did it, do they put the nervous system into the machine?

( with the necessary fluids, nutrients, bloodflow, oxygen, etc etc )

[hexed forge]

So the conciousness is rejecting the machine.

[lethal moat]

Or the body doesn't like having metal bits telling it what to do

[snow jasper]

AE is definitely the type to put somebody into a machine

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-springtrap-vhs-squimpus-mcgrimpus-nonexistent-video-gif-22146534

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/edgerunners-cyberpunk-gif-26718701

[hexed forge]

The thought of having the machine you are working on suddenly think for itself is terrifying.

[acoustic osprey]

putting someone in a machine you say

[snow jasper]

I was thinking more of a cyberpunk thing

FNAF lore is too spiritual for my liking

[lethal moat]

How is it different than a doctor then? Except that machines are more simple I would imagine

[lethal moat]

Think cyberpunk constructs maybe

[hexed forge]

Im confused on what you mean when you say Doctor.

[acoustic osprey]

(to be fair, we're working with consciousness in Isle ...)

[lethal moat]

Your body is a biological machine, doctors maintain and repair it when it can't fix itself
Whoever would hypothetically be working on concious machines would need the same level of responsibility

[snow jasper]

Hardly, consciousness is different to spirit/soul
if you're refusing to believe that what you're thinking of right now is happening, then well.... guhhh

[acoustic osprey]

ok what's the difference

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-edgerunners-time-slow-time-stop-cyberpsychosis-gif-26734128

[acoustic osprey]

both work in the metaphysical
it's hard to define them

[hexed forge]

I dont see how a Doctor aiding a persons body is similar to a machine that you are working on suddenly turning into an uncontrollable creature. When you are a doctor, your patient suddenly doesnt go berserk unless you are dealing with a patient that has a specific illness/issue.

[lethal moat]

Why would the machine suddenly gain conciousness? It makes more sense to create an artificial body, then implant it

[snow jasper]

We're all able to think in our minds in the present moment, when we're alive, when we die, we die, we cannot reboot when the brain cannot function,
What happens after is the spiritual part, it didn't apply earlier because you being you, doesn't pass onto the replica

[snow jasper]

We need terms and definitions to outrule them

[acoustic osprey]

one might argue soul is just a more laxed synonym of consciousness

[hexed forge]

"The body rejects"

Basically saying that the conciousness of the body rejects the machinery. Maybe AE didnt think that far to create a completely artificial body and then put machinery in it. Might be a mistake that they learned from later on.

[lethal moat]

I was talking about cybernetics at the time, not a new body

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[snow jasper]

Consciousness doesn't abide by mentality or physiology
So it is its own thing in the isle, when talking about EIPs

Bringing in that thought changes everything we previously talked about

Best to keep it separate

[acoustic osprey]

nor does soul honestly
i may be more linked with theology, but it can be seen without
the same with consciousness honestly - being that it can be linked with theology

[snow jasper]

and keep spirituality out of the isle, until "Acts of God" starts playing

[acoustic osprey]

we also have many mythological references though

[snow jasper]

Consciousness isn't apart of the physiology guuhHhhhhHHhHHhh

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-bmr-lost-world-movie-pete-postlethwaite-i-believe-ive-spent-enough-time-in-the-company-of-death-gif-11243977894173959216

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1205258485445431387/IMG_1332.gif

[snow jasper]

The body rejects, like its rejecting a virus, a foreign object

[acoustic osprey]

thanatos....

[lethal moat]

That's what I think

[snow jasper]

all it can do is tear itself apart

[hexed forge]

Hmmm, yes

[snow jasper]

Putting the necessary biological stuff inside a machine is what retains the part that makes you, you
as we talked about previously, the smarter thing to do would make a digital copy of the mind and stick it inside of robo quetz

but that would go against the contract, as you're getting an extra life accordingly

AE plays by its own rules

[lethal moat]

Depends on the content of the contract

[snow jasper]

If each life = 1 copy
Putting a digital copy inside the quetz is having two simultaneous lives at once, so unless it takes up 2/1000 lives, or AE kills off the biological one or the digital one

1 copy consisting of the memories at a bare minimum

[lethal moat]

What are EIPs if not a digital copy put into a normal body?

[snow jasper]

the physiology can be played around a lot more easily

[lethal moat]

I'd argue a robotic body should count as 1 life with a time limit, or as 0 since it's not technically alive

We've gone off track from the original quote

[snow jasper]

I dont think its possible, artificial brain controlling a biological body
you're gonna need some extremely sophisticated technology, on a scale that is by the atom

thats from a realistic stance, not a fictional one

[lethal moat]

How would the replicator transfer and store conciousness without any sort of digital formatting?

[snow jasper]

scan whats left of the organic material
if not, reuse the previous life's for the next one instead

[lethal moat]

Which gets put into a digital file for transfer/use correct?

[snow jasper]

Yes

we can already convert electical impulses to images projected by the brain
theres no doubt we could do the same for memories

essentially artificial sight already exists

why not artificial memories?

[lethal moat]

The body rejects?

[snow jasper]

The body as in the biological or mechanical

[lethal moat]

Probably biological, given the original context of the quote

[snow jasper]

Or what if we're misunderstanding and the Robo quetz is entirely mechanical, ran by AI
The AI rejects, and the AI controls the body, so the body rejects

Afterall, its robo quetz, not cyborg quetz

but we still need more info on spy cam quetz, or robo quetz, whatever you want to call it

[lethal moat]

That's a fan name

[hexed forge]

^

[snow jasper]

Im aware

[lethal moat]

It very well could be a cyborg

[snow jasper]

it was only confirmed in a concept art for the quetz based off of tapwings original iteration

[hexed forge]

I wonder what the actual lore name is. Gen1 as a whole have a name. Wonder what Robo-Quetz is....

Alphonse..? But in legacy that was just 1 quetz.

[acoustic osprey]

Drone Quetz is the only name we have properly
from the original Tapwing art

[hexed forge]

Project Alphonse

A bunch of Robo-Quetzs

[snow jasper]

Then the rogue AI idea is more significant than the Biological Idea
Both are cool nevertheless

[lethal moat]

Drone quetz being Cerberus as a watch dog for the island could be cool

[acoustic osprey]

no, Alphonse was just Quetz (turned H-Quetz)!!

[hexed forge]

Yes!!! But, it could be different in Evrima!

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-is-dead-wake-up-shake-gif-16686328

[snow jasper]

uhm, actually its Spy-cam Quetz

[hexed forge]

Surveillance basically

[snow jasper]

I'd assume it'd be used on the rival corpos

[hexed forge]

I dont really see that working on companies that dont have dinosaurs. But companies that do have dinosaurs, I guess it could work.

[snow jasper]

Oh...

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
they use Gen1s
so...

[acoustic osprey]

makes sense seeing as part of it is scrapped out

[hexed forge]

wah oh

[snow jasper]

Me thinking they're putting human minds into a robot quetz this whole time

its literally a biological quetz with cyborg attachments

cyberpsychosis, in the isle :OOOO

[lethal moat]

The body rejects

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/maine-cyberpunk-cyberpunk-edgerunners-is-this-my-fault-мейн-gif-26746151

[hexed forge]

The body shall reject

[snow jasper]

as it does, in cyberpsychosis

and medically speaking too, you gotta fuel yourself with a supply of immunosuppressants

[lethal moat]

Maybe maintanance

[snow jasper]

reads that its involved in assault too...
an assault isn't always a guaranteed amount of time, quetz could get caught out and lack the right dosage after some time, and well, reject

[lethal moat]

Just stops working and plummets to the ocean

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/hiccup-fall-toothless-httyd-testdrive-gif-9829206

[snow jasper]

I really do hope Dondi purchases the licensing to this song and when we reach the ultimate ending of the isle, we have to tap into some rusted old computer which requires having like a thousand ongoing things to be true for it to work e.g. public server, all structures are up and running with power, you have seen the main storyline and we just cut to a voice recording of somebody we've followed by finding the stuff they leave behind on the map and had to collect overtime.
The voice recording being them releasing themselves from the bounds of their contract and the game enters a client sided cutscene that shows this character do something... nasty to themselves... and this song is just playing

https://youtu.be/PkNtBuwWq_o?list=RDGMEMJQXQAmqrnmK1SEjY_rKBGAVMPkNtBuwWq_o

I dont actually have any idea how the game will end
I just want the song to play at least

[lethal moat]

I would love to see more music stuff

[acoustic osprey]

I can really imagine it as end credit/ thank you credit music

[acoustic osprey]

heck, even get one of the team to cover it
just so they officially have a proper Isle song called "My Body Is A Cage"

[lethal moat]

Feed the machine

[acoustic osprey]

the song also reminds me of the end of The Forest

have this song play at the end of 'the isle'
cut to cinematic while playing the song
We are searching in "X" location
We see several lore stuff as we search around
till we get to the end of this location - some sort of hall - and at the end of the hall is a whiteboard
and written on it is "see you in ... The Isle 2 ..."

oh i forgot this cover was in House MD as well lol

[lethal moat]

Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

it's just a great song.

fitting for House MD

VERY fitting (literally) for EIPs

[low scarab]

^

[nimble fractal]

Aliens spotted in The Isle!!!!! AE is a secret space station??!?!?!?!?!!!!!!

[hexed forge]

Wah oh

[low scarab]

I really want don to work with seiza and make a cinematic video lore related maybe the incident once they get some more gen 2 and gen 1 models done

[hexed forge]

Cant wait to see the fully finished gen1 models

[low scarab]

Same here

But seriously I just want some more lore related content looking at their last video it would be so cool to maybe even have a live action errant 291 video

Just make use of their YouTube

[hexed forge]

Hopefully maybe if they get more video editors we will get more than 2 lore videos a year

[hexed forge]

Amazing news

Theres now either a patrol, or an MZ at the diablo nesting site from the dibble video.

[patent ginkgo]

yes i saw that

its a jungle mig zone, i saw a brazilnut

[hexed forge]

Very nice.

[fast forge]

I love the way the patrols push players to interesting little pockets of the map

[molten monolith]

Welcome to the future brother

[fast forge]

Morse Code video is done
https://youtu.be/f_6_pIxcdwk

Lore channel gets a shoutout, and lorecord ❤️

[fast forge]

This one was fun, got to learn more editing skills

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey You failed in beating Tiny's upload schedule

[fast forge]

oh yes, my mighty 3 videos in 5 months, such an achievement

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

The random AI voice jumpscared me, I thought my PC just broke for a sec

[fast forge]

I love that it's mono and not stereo

[muted reef]

Hows the tunnel area in the swamp whats it like now

[hexed forge]

Didnt check

I will check rn

[fast forge]

I went through there, didn't see anything different

[hexed forge]

Textures are back, only new thing.

[lethal moat]

Yippie!

[muted reef]

Some blurry textures hm

[low scarab]

What did don say about the “ending” of the game again I thought he said there would be some kind of unlockable ending

If I remember that correctly I would like to know whether the ending music would be lyrical or instrumental

[muted reef]

That...hmm

[fast forge]

someone reaching the end would turn off official servers? wow

at least in that concept

[muted reef]

I don't really want anything like that unless it's like "1000"th of a chance to get it (see what I did there )

Or maybe if someone reaches it a restart for the server happens, but not permanent destruction of servers lmao

[hexed forge]

I could see it as turning off certain spawn points for dinos, up until Dinosaurs cant spawn in at all.

[fast forge]

he says "shut off official server support"
I figure it's "you solved the game, the event is now over"
and then it's just a community server game after that point

[hexed forge]

Hope not

[muted reef]

yeah beating the game should just yield a server restart honestly

[zenith frigate]

you beat the game
you become The Isle

[lethal moat]

Interesting say it depends how in depth that end is

If it takes us more than 5-7 years to find the end, then I could be understanding of ending official server support

[fast forge]

yeah it's the final final ending, years from now

[lethal moat]

There can be devastating events, like strains and natural disasters, but all good things must come to an end, the isle can’t be supported forever

[muted reef]

Evrima feels like an action adventure and legacy feels like a mystery horror

Thats the difference I've felt forever that I couldn't explain

[hexed forge]

Hmmm

[fast forge]

I think Evrima will have a stronger horror element with Gen 2

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[fast forge]

the 1st person perspective does a lot of heavy lifting in that regard, but also hearing human sounds in the distance will be scary or jarring

stuff like gunshots, helicopters, vehicle engines, sirens

[muted reef]

It'll be action horror

[fast forge]

And Gen 1 themselves will be horrific

[muted reef]

Like an Alien movie

Or predator

[fast forge]

Well Aliens
The first one is more classically horror 🤓

[muted reef]

Evrima feels like the Lost World movie and Legacy feels like the Lost World novel

[lethal moat]

I’d say that’s because we know more about Legacy, or lack of fear in Evrima is from lack of comprehension

[muted reef]

Not in my book

It isn't the lore that scares me in either one it's what I'm looking at on my screen

[muted reef]

I always hear "we know more about legacy" but have never gotten to learn it's lore I wanna

[lethal moat]

We base a lot of our assumptions in Evrima from Legacy

[muted reef]

Yeah thats true

But either way what I hear and see and play in legacy...is scarier than what I hear and see and play in evrima

[hexed forge]

Yea

Legacy visuals make it feel like we play in a apocalyptic word