#isle-lore-theories
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i suppose that'll be a job for us Gen2s
sure
but they don't seem to cause as much havoc at least
ironic how the supposed "tracked" creatures are the most unlooked creatures
looking at AUGUSTUS and the Rex siblings
both underlooked
no not at all
how come
trying to find a quote that relates to this, oh well
but no
it's an ironic aspect
but from our point of view, it's not better for AE
the synths are more anomalous - AE doesn't really understand this (yet, at least ||however the timeline is||)
you'd preferably want to know more and understand more of your creatures like them
(being that, despite being tracked and monitored, they are the least understood out of the two - synth vs natural born)
Yeah, I wonder if they capture wild born animals, if they have ways of analyzing them to see exactly what changed compared to the “base model”
And can it tie into gen 1 sacrifices
you guys roleplaying orr...?
The lore goes in depth
it does
where can i start?
There’s this, there’s also a lore server and a podcast, and a few decent yt channels, the main one being Lightclaw https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit
The Isle Theory Document Created by: Rumplestiltskin Maintained by: Rumplestiltskin and The Isaac? Foreword by: 1tinydinosaur (PSA: Hyperendocrin is shortened as “Hyper”, though “Hypo” is often used) You can comment on anything that needs to be added, changed, or removed. Bookmark to all LORE ...
damn bro, i gotta get a whole ass meal for this
There’s a lot (and we currently know very little)
I imagine sabotaging the monorail could be particularly devastating
Those were the tracking chip numbers.
Tis tis
Didn't read the rest of what I said
Wah oh uhh
Would it be confusing tho 🤔
How would it be?
Why not have one identifikation system
It's the tracking chip numbers though, not really used for identifying unless you want to search up x creature by its tracking chip.
The same answer/question though
Why not use the same identification system
Win win scenario to have 2 identification systems.
why?
it's extra hassle
more work
set up for more confusion
Not really.
it's easier when, say, a person has several identification systems/numbers
because they have a proper memory and ability to recall
but not every creature would/could be an EIP
ah yes
1294302819181 is at K15
...
which one was that
unless, for the chiptracking system, it would ONLY show dinosaurs from a specific species / dataset
ugh you have reminded me
You could use the secondary system as a way to double check if x asset IS x asset. Check if the tracking numbers match with insert asset on paper. A way to reassure I guess.
But isn't it species specific?
So it wouldn't be insanely hard.
kinda wish we didn't get a proper one 
because it won't be accurate anymore
12278674 doesn't seem species specific
unless each dinosaur species only work in a specific frequency
AE Chiptracking System > Species > Diabloceratops
Maybe like that
But also this could be a reason to use the system.
potentially, but we see no sign of it here
but
i cannot say IT IS 100% true
we don't know what the full video actually looks like
Yeah true
and the map won't be canon/accurate anymore
so things could change
For what it's worth, in my work we use multiple identification numbers
- Each animal has an ID created when that individual animal is first added to the database
- Batches or cohorts of animals get a Lot # (like in manufacturing a product) showing they belong to this or that study
- The cage the animal lives in gets a number
- When they get tagged/chipped, that tag has a pre-programmed number created by the tag manufacturer
Makes sense
So multiple cages might all have the same lot number
Multiple animals might have the same cage number
And then each individual animal has an ID number, but we don't tag them all so they don't all get tag numbers
I imagine the breeding stock of diablos may not have chiptracking data because they all just sit in a pen on another island
yea thats good one

oh god why is the screenshot blurry
Heres just a screenshot on the important part since snipping tool is refusing to comply.
What font is it?
X Typewriter
Im using the Bold version.
ok ty
I've wondered what this font is for ages, I've seen it many times.
Thenkies.
The isle lore images are so high quality
tbh all things coming from the isle lore is high quality as hell

Very nice


I heard some ambience that sounded like a allo broadcast, but I had to use xbox gamebar to record it because I didnt have medal open
So wheres the recording? 
im getting to it shhh
idk if discord is gonna complain about file size
idk if I can trim it down so your gonna see my steam friends list 
ignore all that in the beginning and the end
tell me in not crazy I beg you lol
yay im not crazy.....at least in this situation
this is the first clear recording of it
not going to apologise to the people i thought were crazy
but the allo doesn't sound as much of an allo as it used to be
that lighting is on point tho fr
of course
I just wish I could hear ambience
have you tried turning up the volume ...
weird
I actually get ambience
well
until it goes away then comes back again
but that was intention - at least, it was said on stream in 2020 to be intentional
(am going to quote a tiny paragraph i sent to lorecord)
i remember Dondi talking about it on stream in 2020
how he said they'll be times it goes very quiet
which is just terrible/mishandled design of the bioacoustics of the isle's forests
this frequency displays show the time throughout the day in a relatively healthy forest
over time
there is ALWAYS frequencies being used by the environment
especially in a TROPICAL environment
it's harder to do
but we also know animals in a forest share frequencies
i.e.
"X" bird species will use "X" Hz
"Y" Bird species will use a (close but different) "Y" Hz
but
a completely different animal type
like a mammal
would fit in the niche a completely unique Hz range
which is what you see, basically, when the birds (dawn chorus) start chirping in whilst the insects of the pre-dawn chorus are still rattling
BUT
it is worth mentioning
this IS the bioacoustices of a healthy forest.
We do NOT know the complete 'natural' health of Gateway's forests
however
a degraded forest you might have a lot of sound, but not occupying as much of the spectrum
Hmm
you don't just get silence.
More so
you get a chaotic display of animal sounds with no equality of frequency
Oh, the times where the ambience just cuts out is intentional?
I know this one tribe in sumatra which said, theres a bird that goes quiet when a predator is near
its the insects that continue to make up the ambient
but even then, the insects only make a noise a certain time of day
Oh, the times where the ambience just cuts out is intentional?
yes
Interesting
i don't mind times going "quiet"
but it's just overly minimal for something that's relatively unrealistic
it does have a nice horror vibe to it though
im going to thailand soon anyways and i'll be in the proper wilderness, i still believe a healthy forest can go silent
but it's still pretty random
in a healthy forest, a forest nevers goes silent
even in thailand
I went around a lot there in July
their forests a still pretty active
unless you're at a highway / major road
then you're just fed the swooshing the cars
I will hold you to that claim as I am certain otherwise
But again, majority of the time, forests are pretty active
very much so
you'll only really see a quiet forest, if at all, if it is unhealthy
especially with nearby human intervention
but you'd be surprised
tropical forests don't care as much as temperate
but that's just because of the amount of life tropical forests bring is just crazy
but it's very cool to study the bioacoustics of such
Isaac, do you know about the theory that when you place a drop of ink or food dye in a glass of water
if that glass was to never dry out and remain intact to the death of the universe, there will be a split moment when all the particles simultaneously undiffuse into the water
Im guessing that happens in healthy forests, where sure, the plants may appear very diverse, but all the insects and animals coincidentally move away from a specific area in the forest
due to something like human sound?
Not really, something like this
1st image is the initial state of the glass
2nd shows it after diffusing out into the glass
3rd image just coincidentally happens that most, if not all particles congregated at one area of the glass
for something like this to happen, the particles would have to be the same weight, viscosity etc
but in an ecosystem, those rules dont apply, as all the animals are free flowing in a area of land, the animals are the particles, and the jungle is the water
bit like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree analogy?
what's alike stays alike
yeah
so a forest could just as easily have small pockets where the density of noise emitting organisms just doesn't exist at that given area at that given time creating said eerie environment
but it would be incredibly rare and entirely coincidental
im really annoyed i cant find the origin of this idea
I'd say this is 50/50
All animals do migrate to some degree, definitely
Some animals moving more than others - but, over time, all animals still 'move' (whether that be forced or willingly due to many reasons such as the environment, etc)
But to get the chance where all animals move away.
That all animals decided to not stay in their protected habitat
would be both incredibly rare but also very dangerous for all animals
that, for animal to do it, one of the only reasons they would do such is if you do something like putting some ink into the glass - by turning the healthy environment / the ecosystem into an unhealthy and disrupted location by placing a foreign entity of any degree into/next to the localised environment.
This would especially be the case with regular to large human intervention; especially within the fields of noise, smell and physicality.
^animals aren't fully absurdly chaotic
but
more so orderly chaotic - insert fractals, the ripple effect.
I'd say there may be the chance of a location with minimal noise
but that would be far more regular/easier to obtain in a more steppe or taiga (desert-esque temperate) environment.
however, i would never wager an almost completely silent situation.
The animals don't just interact with the animals in the graph - they also interact with the sound of nature itself
For example the rain section at night on the graph
Which we see all the insects fading away - being humbled by the falling of rain
If anything.
I'd have this as a very rare moment in the game - like the eclipse
but it does happen way too much for my liking
I guess the only areas where it'd make sense for quiet to occur with added chance and frequency would have to be the no mans land between the human world and the animal world.
In gateway's case, maybe along GUTS and maybe less so for the roads
oh definitely
I would love if Wedge and the programmers have it so
the "overworld" is pretty populated with natural sounds
even in a human area
but
once you're in GUTS ||and even in Tartarus||
you have this completely juxtaposed sound design
true silence.
heck
maybe even GUTS have some electric static
I preferably want Tartarus to be the most juxtaposed thing in the game 
complete silence
bright white interior
Backroom ambience playing on the fourth level, penultimate from Tartarus
lol
but.
That's assuming i know anything on what Tartarus could be for Isle.
Which I DON'T
nor was there really anything in Legacy that I could relate on
i just ideally would love that
"Oh crap ... this doesn't feel right" horror moment
I live right beside train tracks, thankfully its not like a city subway but they make weird click clack about 5 or 10 minutes prior to a passing train
fair lol
i have very slight tinnitus
I do love the environment
but i always have my window open - i live next to a main road (not a proper city road, but it get's busy a tiny bit)
so i don't mind the background noise of the cars swooshing by
Though, I for the longest while, during winter when the trees are bare, find myself hypnotised by these pair of red glowing lights that look directly into my window
they're apart of the tracks but its very off
lol
I dont understand people who can close their windows for long periods of time
I'd keep mine open regardless of a snowstorm having just passed
it's real nice honestly, having them open
it's also winter here right now... but it's boiling hot... so i need them open for air
Where abouts in Australia are you from?
What the hell did I miss?
east coast
the south south east (like melbourne) is like London
you get antartic winds
and crazy london weather
not as bad as thailand though lol
Oh, London doesn't get any weather at all lol
Winters are just cold, and its bearable except for a couple weeks a year
"oh no it's going to rain today"
... no it just rained for 5 mins ... enjoy the rest of the warm and sunny day!
It quite literally is grey skies in the UK
no
in terms of London's unpredictable rain and winds
Oh, in that case, yeah
I remember living there
sunny one day
raining the next - then, during the day, windy but cloudy
then sunny again.
exactly like Melbourne
bioacoustics lesson
We recently did have a freak snow day some random april a couple years ago
lol
No snow all winter, comes spring and it snows
but this summer was miserable, like we only just got sun this month
and now summer is already ending
sounds fun
No, its the worst kind of overcast, like no texture in the clouds at all
I see
we get a lot of those here in the Pacific Northwest
not suprised, same sort of latitude i suppose
Ignore
What I notice is that the ranger stations are always marked as multiple small buildings on this map.
Which means we could assume where the rest of the "Ranger stations" will be on the map.
For example this looks like a ranger station
And this, on Britian
A lot of these "Ranger stations" on the map 
This?
No further left
I dont see that as H4.
Was going to comment about that though
It just cool like a gate system
Me and Tiny had a discussion about this one.
This seems like it could be H4. Rather than the big one on the left.
Not what was shown of "h4" in the Augustus video
Look at the terrain
Which had a proper ranger station interior
Not talking about the terrain
#isle-lore-theories message Going to link this
Already commented in that would be the area last year
hmm
But as a ranger station
On that map
It doesn't match up
Being said though
The interior comes from shots of other ranger stations... anyways...
I should make a video on how 1:1 the ranger stations are in respected to the map
In terms of their layout and actual physical placement
Mmm, yes.
Do we know the area don showed in the stream where he walked as maia
yes
this area
Oh really ?
It was like a huge human area
but ofc, nobody likes I12
Isaac posted it above
It was-
Wait which one
Don only played Maia on the Docks tho
But he didn't

This was back when dibble wasn't even in HT
OH
The random jungle
Yeah i just remembered, it wasn't i12
The other one was on a path just south of the GUTS tunnel at the end of the hallway bridge area
You might be right yea
Have the devs mentioned if tribals are still planned in the long run? Noticed all of human content all skews to this more Jurassic Park mercenary vibe. Curious what happened with tribal humans.
They're referred to as Generation 1 now
I'll have to grab the concepts we've gotten
Are the tribals still happening too or just the cannibals (these concepts just look like the OG cannibal concept to me)?
I remember in the past there was talk of crafting, base building etc within the context of tribals
Or do you mean that its all been rolled together meaning the tribals are now these Gen1 alien looking creatures with primitive technology?
Tribals=cannibals=generation one
huh
And there's been mention of primitive crafting and building for these guys, we'll have to see how it pans out
alright thanks for clearing that up
Those pictures above are "Tribals"
(But don't be confused with the original Cannibals, which are now 'the eyeless')
but they have no official name yet publicly
Tribals isn't a bad term honestly
You...you...
At least, in contrast to using mercs for gen2s
Gen 1 is supreme
They could be confused with the native american ones
I disagree
Old old tribals were native I think, and then the new tribals were more related to cannibals. Legacy lore changed a lot
Disagree since people might get confused.
depends what makes someone tribal
would it be their indigenous factors, cultural, technological or just how civilised they are

gonk
Thinking too much
Gen1? Yea. Agreed
I don't see them as tribals. They are an artificial creature.
A creature used as a tool
i see the human in them still
Disagree.
In which way
Tribals were always supposed to be "that" anyways
Not literal Tribal people of the real world
orcas have cultures as of recent discovery and each pod had their own language
monkeys give eachother names, which are arguably less advanced intellectually than apes
and bears may be able to appreciate nature
if gen1s can worship, they’re far more advanced than all the aforementioned animals and yet we choose to not see the humanity in them
One of the legacy tribal versions would disagree.
They don't understand the concept of worshipping iirc. Soooo...
I forget the exact quote
It wasn't even an official model
nevertheless, gen1 would likely be 2nd down from homo sapiens
They understand where they come from though
Huh
Why was it in the game 
Could it be like a offspring/parent relationship? That most mammals have. I'm not sure lol
pretty sure ye olde tribal model was from stomping lands
I still think gen 1 just work the replicator to better suit themselves rather than actually caring
It was just a marketplace asset
As a very rough system
I don't believe all Gen1s are directly made by the Replicator
I do believe it's the same system as natural offspring for Dinos
Explain

We see the same with the dinos
I don't believe it'll be different for the human factions
Especially since we know humans have genitals
It may be the case Gen1s are infertile
But we're yet to see as of this moment
I feel like allowing a weapon to reproduce and expand entirely on it's own would be disasterous
We don't know if it is a weapon solely
we also don't know they "allowed" them to reproduce
Jurassic park...
Gen 1 could have frog DNA 
(The Replicator does what it likes)
Given what we know, and the assumption that they have their own island potentially, I feel like it would still be disasterous if their population exploded
good, makes them scarier
We don't really know such honestly
Like
It's a very grey area
I believe AE would prefer to have more control over gen 1 than the dinosaurs due to different mission objectives
yes but we can't draw a line between what they wanted to happen and what happened beyond their control
It should be said that gen 1 were attempts to make humans, things just changed them to gen 1
Wdym
They weren't intended to be so monsterous
Depends who you ask
Replicator
And look what Don has said with synths
and we don't know if they've changed since AE lost control
Even as a product, it makes more sense from a sellers standpoint to limit reproduction of your product
Yeah
Timeline stuff makes it more confusing / harder to decipher
How much of them are a product though?
They were intended as humans first, weapons second
Like gen 2
That's my take anyway
They could have re-evolved reproduction for all we know
intended if they are now used as living nukes then sure
or as Isaac said, replicator shenanigans
But the plan by AE was the same as gen 2
Could be
we don't know if what we've seen is what AE had
Making a gun is very deliberate, the comparison is there for gen 1 to be intended
I'm of the opinion that gen 1 were always intended to eventually be a weapon, even if they had gotten something closer to gen 2, first try
Gen 2 are used as clone soldiers to deal with dinosaurs ( unless I missed anything)
It should imply that that was a similar idea to what gen 1 would have been
As of current, a little unknown, but they will be attemting to retake the island
With just hunting knives and a torch
I'm of the opinion
Gen 1 ~ Guard dogs and hunting dogs
Gen 2 ~ soldiers and body replacments
I think that's a part of testing
I know it's for balance, but why in lore can't AE give gen 2 guns from the start
They went broke or something
Maybe AE are testing things with gen 2, the experiment isn't over and this is a valuble opportunity
Makes sense
Not sure whether gen 1 are a mistake or they made them like that for a reason
They weren't meant to look like monsters, but it's likely they weren't planning on a true homo sapien
You can have something go wrong and then still use that thing for an alternative purpose
Agreed
A flattened spoon is a spatula
Or I could be entirely wrong and gen 1 are exactly what was intended since the beginning
I doubt they were meant to be what we have be shown
This has been a hot topic recently
But given they can't really be killed, AE
Just uses them because they can
What could have been...the Isle Legacy completed edition
We serve lore here sir.
cant be killed?
I get the feeling they can be killed as long as AE is in control
what did i miss
Well, exterminated
I'm one of the big lore men
Nothing
Repilcator just brings them back though
It's relevant
Dry as hell in lore season
Not if AE tells it to stop
Would it listen
Can't really do it now
Does it have a choice
is that not the norm
Maybe that was the mistake
Do we know if it doesn't
Depends wehat you believe about the replicator
We need sweet juicy lore season back
We got info last month!!

Probably does given it can favour certain Dino's and gen 1
Just wait till next lore video
🤤
I disagree
I'm thinking we might want to be on the look out of the video description and location itself of the content
am i remembering a weird ass dream or did you actually put a video out somewhat recently
And the context itself
Yes
OH A STREAM
Oh...
actually i need to finish that
I had one of the goofiest dreams back when update 2 was gonna drop. I was imagining that the update released and I got to play it and it was frickin trippy...god I miss those days
NOOO
That looks sick
I had an interesting idea for another UI video though
too late im locked in
Was that meant to be replied to me?
Either way what is it
oh god its 3 hours long
Yes
Which I had in a dream lol
Ain't telling but it's nothing special
Lmao
I want to try it when I get home
Why not tell
NOOO
Lets write down highly debated lore to discuss
Replicator sentience
Gen 1 humanity
Gen 1 intentional or nay
Shall we try the wheel
I believe they were intentional
Insert the Don quote from last month
But the humanity question is super hard
Mostly because that's more a philosophy debate
I think they're people but not human
They are not of the Homo genus, they did not evolve from there
I think they are neither people, nor human
no matter how messed up gen 1 is they are perfect angles in my eyes 
Actually now that I think about it you're right they're still not people lmao I was thinking of gen 2
Gen 2 are people but not human
Gen 1 are neither
ITS NOT HIS FAULT HIS FACE IS BUILT LIKE THAT
WHAT DO YOU WANT THE MAN TO DO HE DOESNT HAVE LIPS ISAAC
He just needs some lip balm
Ultra Specialized gen 1, like ants 
Maybe it doesn't hunt, and only eats food provided for it by other gen 1
Why would there be tissue missing?
do you think they have something closer to human tongues or something closer to alligator tongues...?
the real questions
I never thought of them having tongues lmao
i still dont understand how they drink water
they have no lips and side mouth holes
Depends on the gen 1 I say
that seems unfortunate :[
Submerge into the water and start chuggin
glug glug glug glug
Frog skin perhaps 🐸
Hows that relate to tissue?
Funny how gen 1 looks like a rotting human
24/7 SMILE! !!!
No strong enough mouth to actually chew I imagine
Maybe
yeah
no official model though
as this is technically just a painting over a model - which may be 'done'
but likely not the second gen head
dentists love em' gen 2 hate em'
What if
More gen 1 types
in the future, yes
is that John Isle 
JOHN CAKE 
lol
For different purposes
Yes
I don't really see the benifit of having no eyes
Whats the point of no eyes
Less brain effort or smth
you involve less your visuals
and more your other senses
we'll have to see
Just keep replicating branches of gen 1 until you get the roles you want
Soldier, Worker, Maintainer, Sentry, etc
I wonder if mutations will be a part of that
i can see that
Speaking of are the rainwater mutations usefull rn is weather still bugged?
Weatherboy
I hope so
I believe weather still isn't a thing currently
Good to know. I'm drowning this beip now
Gen 1 customization being a fun thing for you to choose as the player, using the replicator to evolve into whatever varienty you may choose, even if the traits don't line up with physical characterstics, or they might, who knows
Gen 1 being a marriage of gen 2 and mutations also sounds interesting, find the required materials to give the replicator what it wants in order to give you upgrades/mutations
Strain gen 1 I need
Just lil guy
lol
Yes
You know a good gen 1 testing ground? Volcanic atoll with zero vegetation
why would this be so
Less places for them to hide, easy to monitor, and if you intend to use them to defend/attack human structures you can create testing structures there with various baits and substitutes
What if you want to test their ability to hide ?
Which will be kinda needed if you want to use them in shadow ops
i see Gen1s needing to perform and excel in more hidden areas
Create a portion of environment for them to do that
Why should they be allowed to excel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167557586699178054/1268418889146961930/image0.jpg?ex=66d68aa5&is=66d53925&hm=785768b48ab52a8f0ffbc2422ddf17918fade07d62b1e1f1bc650518c6564303&
if they're made to be retaliatory
They should be effective
They can excel when you need them, any other time is a liability
you risk such product them
either, one, you set up great security for a product that you know will almost always succeed
Only make it when it needs to be sold
or you, two, don't need to set up large security measures as you know your product will not be as effective
as you're playing, more so, a numbers game
"we don't need them to succeed individually - we just need enough numbers to overcome"
If you’re testing them, I feel a barren environment so you can control factors would be better, if you’re actually utilizing them, they should be suited to a variety of environments
it may not be that the word 'product' is meant for 'to be sold'
but more so the other definition
a thing or person that is the result of an action or process.
which would make sense with the reference to them being a retaliatory product
Maybe if it’s finished
What if
AE had a way to make Gen1 non-hostile to them
It makes everything simpler
what do you mean?
shock collar !!
Like, instead of having to deal with uncontrollable murder-monsters that will kill you if you approach them, tune Gen1 to react positively to a specific set of pheromones, and douse employees who are supposed to interact with them in those pheromones
I mean
The Atrium would be a pretty perfect environment to test
it's not freely open
has an environment
You can set up many TCAMs and MCAMs
And it's gated
Gen 1 might not be ready for production yet, AE still figuring out what they need from them/ how to get what they want from them
Even simpler
which is why I see them, more so right now with what Don said, as this defintion
a thing or person that is the result of an action or process.
we know they're not really a military company
I don't really see AE really selling these things
especially since we know these things are used against AE's rivals
why sell your greatest asset
power of friendship and love?
I see it more as something to be sold, because AE does make money, and retaliatory product could refer to a rival making something that requires opposition
retaliatory would mean it's revenge
which makes sense for "product of revenge"
rather than product made to sell to enact/allow companies(people) to have revenge
Gen 2 potentially being that intended product, gen 1 being a useful stepping stone on the way
I could see that if the Don quote didn't refer to retaliatory
it just seems odd
if it was just a product originally
which turned unfinished
so now they use them as a deterrent
that would make (at least a lot more) sense
What I said
Phreomone tuning
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167557586699178054/1268418889146961930/image0.jpg?ex=66d68aa5&is=66d53925&hm=785768b48ab52a8f0ffbc2422ddf17918fade07d62b1e1f1bc650518c6564303& I’d say the separation of deterrent and product reinforces this idea
not referring to deterrent though
the time line would be
product (however such product was - being a product of revenge or an actual selling product) then -> deterrent
however long in between
like with AE starting with botany
however, like with botany, they may be still such
i.e. AE still doing botany (as we can see with the dibble video)
... this saying though ...
we literally have nothing on the isle as a timeline
which i do wonder how it'll be expressed in-game and in lore documents
seeing as literally every date we could have is blacked out
besides the roadmap date range
and ERRANT-291 (after we deciphered it)
The specification “began” makes me think AE’s intentions with gen 1 changed over time
this is kinda what could be inferred
I was just bouncing off your idea of not reading for production yet for, specifically, this quote #isle-lore-theories message
but i don't doubt that either something internal or external changed AE's goal/short-term goal for them
Right
Idk, I’m sleepy and heading to bed soon, but gen 2 being the intended product, or at least close to it, with gen 1 being guard/attack dog equivalents makes sense to me
if not, it may be so.
But who knows.
There's a terrible amount of things that may of changed with such over time
Especially when there are as many complex projects as there are
and i don't imagine everyone would be the same over the years
new people and new ideas coming in, etc
who knows what AE looks like from the beginning to the end
which i kinda hope we see with each playable island
sounds very grand - like once the whole 'artwork' is done
do you think the playable islands are set in different time periods or the same?
but different (not completely different- but an evolving) architectural style over time, etc
from Don's quote a few months back on stream, yes
oh neat
basically as if we're playing on different pockets on the time line per map
Maybe
"There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story. It does not exist. It has not happened. If it does happen, I've certainly have no written it yet
So you may get a game that has all of that, there is no melting pot of AE's ideas where all of them get shoved into the same thing
So while the gameplay is being supported, it's not just 'oh hey here's an island, it has all of these things on it' it doesn't work like that.No. The game is not 'non-canonical', it's more so you're gonna get a lens to see various chunks of islands and stories that get told"
^ this is the quote by the way
we may not get a super wide range
like having one island at the beginning of them making dinos and one at the end
it's more so you're gonna get a lens to see various chunks of islands and stories that get told"
But this quote basically makes it sounds like it won't be 1:1 all islands exactly at the same time in-lore
Just read this, made me think that there will be some earlier point island which has more structures for humans at the cost of dinosaurs like rucops, dilos, Utah and anything Tisso related
Islands without dinosaurs 
Hunting Reserve
That would actually make sense for some heavy realism community server that has humans
honestly, i can imagine the Hunting Reserve being one of the only "still active/before the big shebang" map
It would be nice, maybe that's the one with that one quetz in its concept art
mmmm
Just a thought anyway
thought doesn't hurt
We'll just have to find out
soon
if not... where is mod kit

Evrima main branch tho
Another flipaclip art for the maybe hunting island, tried making it a bit higher quality
Dondi drew this
You know what would be really cool? Named human characters
what do you mean [REDACTED] is a great name!
And ERRANT-291 !!!!

lol
that's pretty cool
I'd imagine
Being that Gateway is 16x16
a hunting reserve being relatively small
maybe not Thenyaw small
but smaller than V3
roughly 8x8 would be pretty good
but
we'd need to test such though lol
if you make it more like a TheHunter game
definitely giving time and pace to it
and up and a down
but you'd want to focus on hunting with surviving
not past faced shooting
I imagine some maps will suit humans more than others
My custom map, or whatever early timeline map comes up will be pro human most lit
mmmmhmmm
Ight, this is my idea for the timeline between islands (idk spiros lore so I probably got that wrong)
Spiro is a 50/50, yeah
it'll likely be fully trashed
but as a lore entity? Might exist in some degree
things don't just die, it seems
Yeah all I know about the maps is that gateway leads to TARTARUS and people didn't like Spiros's cliffs
I mean the isle community, not AE
lol
Replicator goes 🟥
I like the idea that most of legacy is canon as the future of the game
DR. RUMPLE
I made a lot of progress on my morse code video yesterday 
Cerato gets a mention as the person who thought of the idea
although I accidentally said someone else when I recorded the audio, so the edit for that is funny 
Yahoo
Me 3 years ago learning the funny Dino game has lore:
How relevant is the replicator watching through cameras still?
I think it's still relevant, especially if the camera footage on the main menu become a thing
I hope Officials have the canon roster.
Do I have the green light to draft someoneidk into the team
If you come in this channel you prepare to be drafted by thy Catag
drafted into the dino holy wars
I'm doing my part!
My interpretation of a current gen 1 altar
It's very portable and handy for convenience
Just need to find a camera
They are doing very good at surviving 
ae was farnsworth all this time
cute
Yea
Is it new unauthorized buildings? Gen 1 crafted stuff?
Or is it damage to existing structures, like the holes punched through the concrete base of some hyper fences?
Cracked foundation
whatever location name is in that first line, it is very short
Looks like 3-4 digits
1999 
291
fwiw they didn't censor GUTS elsewhere in the 291 documentation, I just noted that while rereading
That censorship in this word is pretty thin
This too
that's a fun one
like, what's the double symbol in there for?
Location designations I would imagine
Would be funny if it was just a typo
Doubt its a typo
I meant the >>
Ohh
Don probably looks over the documents multiple times before releasing them.
Maybe it's to show depth?
I said it'd be funny not that it was an actual typo, but yeah it's strange
That could be interesting
all we can glean is maybe an indication to speed up or continue ahead
Maybe the single ones are like the south tunnels, very surface level, and the others are deep
We know there are multiple levels of GUTS, so perhaps.
or it's a special kind of transition
an elevator
a ferry
a decontamination chamber
Elevator is fun
Maybe a checkpoint
The deepest GUTS entrance in the game will be the Dock one. (For now)
Right on the water surface level
Hope it goes deeper
Love Isaac's file naming conventions here 
It makes sense, easy way to distribute supplies and assets across the island from Docks.
Same
Anotha one
I'm hoping there's a monorail station there
From what we've seen, looks like there isnt one. Yet.
Underground maybe 🤞
Oooo
I think these first docks are just the first of many
Monorail probably goes out to the big docks on the big southeast island
I hope so
@ornate comet
I HAVE ARRIVED
Whats supposed to be here? (North of Water Access)
Hm, perhaps the Dock was moved over here? (The D-10 Dock)
the screenshot doesn't quite tell us your location
Doubt it
the weird sandbar
Yep
I think there will still be a dock in that spot, not sure how big it will be or if it will reach to the sandbar
it will definitely connect to that road
makes sense
We saw Don flattening out the NW Ridge area on stream before, maybe he was setting it up for some future changes. 
it does in the concept art
btw what is this map, like an old gateway?
concept map
Old Gateway Concept
Feels like 70-80% accurate, from what we've seen in game and upcoming
Mhm
I will say, based on the map that we saw on stream, it's more accurate than I thought it would be

oh hey, "swamp road"
Now I wonder if they will remove North dome and East dome
You think they're only gonna have perimeter?
And South Dome
I dont think South Dome is gone completely
Don could move the South Dome up here.
I doubt they're removing all but 2 (with one of those 2 already gone)
nah, I think he is just redoing the terrain around the south dome, not removing it completely
that's why he had it suspended way up in the air, he just needs to bring it straight down to keep it in the same place
Ahhh I like it when people talk about the old map concept
Everyone seems to hate it for some reason lol
Wdym suspended in the air?
I'm skeptical of it, but I am more interested in the largest areas now
I think one of the reasons the old map concept is cool is just all the human buildings it makes sense that it would have a little more infrastructure than we have now
I dont think AE is dumb enough to build a dome on Swampy terrain- UNLESS
The swamp wasnt always there. Which would make sense with a lot of things.
Its in the air lol
in the stream you could see south dome floating in the sky
I think he just changed the Z value, so he keeps it in the same place but can work on the ground underneath/around the dome, and then change the z value back to bring it down to the ground
Oh in the stream
But- Swampy terrain. 
I would love the South Dome to be flooded ngl
the dome is still at a higher elevation than the swamp
he extended the swamp, but to the area south of the dome
No...hold on
Dude swamp is gonna be frickin huge now
What makes you skeptical?
Things change
Im not going insane right? Am I the only one that didnt see those images?
I aint ever seen those
the dock stream? where he showed maia?
Well it still gives us an idea of what they want and this concept seems to show that they want many points of interests especially in weird human structures
I feel like that would be a good place to nest as a smaller dino
Those pictures come from discord, him sharing it.
ohhhh
Where is this?
It seems like its multiple pipes in one area, doesnt look like the Docks.
I can’t see anyone regularly using those to be honest
nah it's those docks
Soo back to this.
I dont think he just changed the Z value.
to the right of this image, I'd imagine
This literally shows a ravine thingy that connects SP and the new Swamps area, fair to say he wont bring it down in the exact same spot.
Hmm, I really hope the pipe system leads somewhere outside of the Docks area.
looks like swamp road to me
Mmmm, yea
dunno about that other line he drew though
I hope gen 2 have some sort of watercraft like in the deinocheirus concept
Same
Monorail hand car please
If there's usuable potions, yes
When I think of gen 2, all I can picture is deinos getting gunned down as they walk from the ocean to a pond
Hahha lol
I picture a montage of the same dude dying like, 80 times
That would be a beautiful sight
I’m sure there will be no lack of compilations or montages of human players getting killed killing or all round being stupid
Mr. Blue sky in the background
Lol, perfect
I do like that ravine that goes to the Swamps tunnel, expanding that, as well as potentially a stream or something could be really cool
yeah that whole tunnel doesn't seem to be on the concep tmap
That map very conveniently only shows the surface, a underground map would be cool, even if it’s not to scale, just show what’s connected where
Maps are good, maps are fun
Yes
Yea that small tunnel should definitely be expanded upon
Yay
I’d also love more funky terrain for things like ptera, sea stacks and lighthouse would be fantastic I’ll take 5 please
How about Nesting Grounds at West Access? That most northern green dot is right by some sea stacks
West Access is a strictly human area tho.. soo woulddd there be a nesting ground there 
(Stated by Filipe)
that's why I think there are a few small and seperate nesting grounds, they are for ptera or something
came up around the human buildings
Perhaps
which movie is this?
JP3
ugh
why does it have to look so good but be in that movie
A lore filled lighthouse would be beyond amazing
With an ominous flickering light
How did you not know!!
I haven't watched it in many years
My dino fandom kinda fell off like 26 years ago
I wonder what AE emergency procedure is on gateway, because you can’t evacuate outside on a dinosaur infested island
GUTS emergency routes/tunnels used specifically for emergencies only perhaps.
Maybe
How confident is AE in their emergency procedures against some of their dangerous assets? Are they 100% sure it will work? Have they tested it?
Probably depends on the asset
Let's use The Matriarch as an example. It's only 1 singular asset. How would they test their lethal procedures on it?
Could they just make another Matriarch?
Well I gotta go now, I will check any replies to my statement tmr. 
Hope it never gets out and tell no one, tell them to seek shelter underground if they see something crazy or suspicous
Hope that the creature that is able to destroy several facilities on the island and possibly reach the mainland and spread the news of AEs experiments causing major issues to AE.
Sounds like a...fantastic idea. I'm sure nothing will go wrong when you only rely on hope. Hope that the creature doesn't develop any intelligence 
Have an elite unit to take it out, but nobody else other than who's working on it need to know
But how will AE know if the weapons the elite unit uses actually work on The Matriarch 
Anyways ima head out now, adios
JP3 could've been great with better pacing and a darker more mystery themed story around what was on the island
I need someone to mod sorna and the other islands into the game
Can someone explain to me why or how the hypos were created
I don’t want to blow up the main chat with stupid questions
We know neither, just that it's likely medical adjacent in some aspect
interesting
for some reason from this i just imagine how some anime like Redline have alot of things happening in the background that is shown but not explained fully, just enough to think on when going into it deeper, that would be great to have in more media imo
Can I
Does anybody else agree with me that EIPs should be used to treat your body like a set of tools? Doing different things with different bodies because you can, provided your consciousness keeps it together on the way
Sort of kinda like possession, but more technology based
That depends
I could see that
Just what would you do with it for such, is the question
A new experience, testing creatures to see how well they survive in an environment, gen 1, there are a variety of uses
Humans are very poorly designed for certain tasks, AE potentially has the ability to create new bodies for people
You are not your body, you just inhabit it as a tool (body not counting the brain)
lore theories has been very philosophical as of late
I was going to say something, but I forgot.
Interesting things with interest implications for humanity and what it means to be human
i'd say it's been pretty philosophical/ethical this past year
i would not say some topics have been ethical

Gen 1 is to us what vegan burgers are to cows
Hueman
LOL
I'll take my tribal with extra lettuce
I’ll take 3
isle lore theory: there be dinosaurs
We are sooo close pleeeeaaaase
Which of these patterns would you say is best for raiding a compound
Middle top row
Or last on bottom
none of them
I dont think they make a difference
i dont think they‘ll be noticeable at first glance anyway
E
The pecs are more defined, it adds to the intimidation/seduction(depending on your taste) factor
Nah you guys have it wrong having a cool pattern increases compound raiding by 25%
Gen 1 with racing stripes
It would be cool if gen 1 got some sort of body/face paint options, even if they are drawing away from the more tribal aspect
whichever has more chest hair 

E is best but I doubt it will help that much
Gen 1 in camo fatigues and nods
Imagine eyeless just rolling in a mud like some dog to help itself get some human steaks
talking about shipping * badum tsss *
Would you pet it?
It don’t bite
It's great at hide and seek!
I kind of want gen 1 to make traps to nab gen 2, like the cartoon rope that grabs their ankle thing
I want Gen 1 to have active camouflage like The Predator 
My Gen 1 camouflage painted into the rocks waiting with his trap nearby >:)

Constantly tabbing in and out of Islecord every 2 minutes to check for the HT being dropped..
I want the Docks so bad.
Like maybe they have a bunch of abilities from the dinosaurs
Rugops camouflage
Herrera climbing
I dislike rugops camouflage
Give it to tisso, and not predator active camo, chameleon camo
Rugops could be a byproduct of Tissoplastic strain!!
Same with Troodon possibly being a byproduct of the N strain, possibly.
tisso is made of tissues from a bunch of animals, so I'd think the other way around
Not a fan
yeah my gf is on standby to download the HT and put me in queue for the week
Literally
Oh Rugoflage was mentioned
me want
yes me want
eeEEEEE
I do like this
I know AGES ago, warpaint was mentioned and it'd have actual buffs depending on what type, but it'd wash away in rain/water
Sounds nice
I NEED a black and white face paint....something like this WoW GIF (darn cooldown hold on)
Paint it red, red goes fast
Me want face paint like dat

Custom painting would be awesome
but we all know we can't have that because of.....reasons.

We can rebuild him, we have the technology
10/10

It's not today
soon
Erm..
A bunch of QA-Shipping-H updates, 3-4 Hordetesting branch updates, Officials dont restart anymore...
All of that is enough to feed my insanity levels.
yeah the officials just didn't restart an hour ago at the normal time
turns out i dont know tisso lore
(we don't know that yet)
SO I'M NOT BEHIND IM BEING MISINFORMED ON THE INTERNET!?
yes
what monster would do such a wicked thing...
me
i still want zombie tissos
Tiny was theorizing
I’d like something kind of like that
let me get ripped in half by dilos and get up 5 minutes later fr
thats extreme but still
If you’re disabled, but not entirely eaten, I can be fine with it
It can regenerate lost limbs and body parts
Down, but not out
Need to eat the whole thing to delay regeneration or eventually actually kill it
If you’re a human, you can slow it down, but killing it would certainly be a challenge
how scandalous 
i really really wish we knew how they plan to balance out the non hyper strains
oh hi dondi
I don’t know what the monkey paw means 
means
uh
the finger is down
you get your wish, but it's bad instead
it means his hand is cramping duh, gamed too hard.
So like an evil djinni?
hi Don
I love bad things
yeah kinda like that
such can happen
Bad things are dangerous (or non functional, either way, it’s fun for lore and gameplay)
when are they not technically evil .....
or more so
when are our wishes not truly flawed
we know more lore
but we also get to know less lore
Lore
Kill everysingle cell apart of a Tisso to actually successfully kill it. I would love it.
Maybe fire could work
I should probably put that quote into lorecord
What quote?
Monkey paw for the zombie tisso
huh
Just a minute ago
I have wondered if tissos have something to do with donor organs
That could fit with zombies because sometimes that donor flesh is rejected by the immune system, and necrotizes
good episode
NO
I dont think thats lore..
Scroll up lol
we can't just go running around putting half full quotes into the channel...
or we'll go insane for the 50th time
Im 95% positive that the gif has no meaning to any lore information lol
In my opinion, dont put it in quotes.
the Augustus theory gif...
no yeah i think he was just interacting

