isle-lore-theories

[hexed forge]

I'll adjust it a bit then.

[sonic rampart]

that's me being a dork for the day, that's all you're getting :p

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

I think its good now. Maybe.

If I ever post it in #isle-fan-art I will credit you Lunary. Thanks for the help.

[fast forge]

I really like the bit about troodon at the end

throwing a hint about another dinosaur's behavior in an article is fun

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[muted reef]

Hello what has happened in my 2 day abscence

[lethal moat]

We had a solid debate today on if gen 1 are human or not

[hexed forge]

^

[muted reef]

What was the final consensus? The announcement in lorecord?

[hexed forge]

There was no final answer

We ended the discussion with different opinions

I decided to choose the lazy way and just cut this out

[fast forge]

I think Gen 1 are human because

• They are listed under "Humans" in the game UI currently
• They are physically similar to humans
• They are a new, artificial species of human (Homo sauria or something?), not saying they are us
• The definition of "human" is very debatable and up in the air. Do you mean genetically? Philosophically? Etymologically?
• The intent in their creation was to make some version of a human, whatever that was
• They still share our group dynamics and ability to create tools

[valid geyser]

Speaking of gen 1 being under the human category, can’t wait till they one day get implemented and some unknowing person hops on and sees it for the first time

[fast forge]

"Oh boy, I sure do love dinosaurs!"
hissssss click click click click click

[hexed forge]

Listed under human... game UI... legacy....

[fast forge]

legacy stuff counts as evidence, even if it's not 100% confirmed
it's as valid as the concept map

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message Then could this be viewed as evidence/canon..?

[fast forge]

yes, I think Site 12 existing in legacy is evidence that it may still exist in evrima

[hexed forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

(Would you say, then, deino is a dinosaur?)

[hexed forge]

Or Pteranodon.

Or Megalania!!

OR uh

yes

[acoustic osprey]

I say the faction names are still broad though

[fast forge]

do I need to give a systematics lecture in here now?
pteranodon and deino IRL are both archosaurs, same as dinosaurs
megalania (perhaps Varanus priscus) is a lizard

Gen 1 is quite close to humans phenotypically, compared to these animals and dinos

[acoustic osprey]

But they're not dinosaurs though

[fast forge]

yes yes...

[acoustic osprey]

So they're still Broad descriptors

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-huh-gif-17668214920156116049

[muted reef]

What do we classify gen 1 as? Sure as hell aren't primates or dinosaurs. I don't think they're human they're their entirely own thing but they are 100% designed after humans

[lethal moat]

I'd argue gen 2 aren't human

[muted reef]

Same

[acoustic osprey]

I'd still call both humans

[hexed forge]

I would call Gen2 human, and gen1 not.

[muted reef]

Do we classify homo sapien as human or the homo genus

[hexed forge]

homo genus

[muted reef]

Well...

Gen 2 and Gen 1 never originated from that genus did they

[fast forge]

you still can't say this isn't evidence...

[lethal moat]

I'd argue that because they are designed by a machine rather than by evolution, then they aren't humans

[muted reef]

Well what if the UI gets reworked and calls them Humanoids instead

[fast forge]

and I'd argue that there are dozens of scifi novels with artificial humans in them

[muted reef]

It's unreliable evidence

[lethal moat]

I'd say it's sketchy evidence

[fast forge]

Then they'll be a humanoid, but that's not a piece of evidence we have yet, is it?

[lethal moat]

I'd say they aren't real humans either

[fast forge]

not like it says "tribals"
"Generation 1"

[muted reef]

If Gen 2 were perfectly designed robots designated "Humans" are they humans?

[fast forge]

yes, because the standing definition of a human in popular culture is quite loose

[muted reef]

Maybe we'll treat them as one but biologically speaking they are not

[fast forge]

oh I misread this

[fast forge]

we have no idea how much human went into making them

[muted reef]

[fast forge]

we don't, what's up

[muted reef]

And what if it looks nothing like a human but behaves as one

[lethal moat]

Human vs person is an important distinction I feel

[hexed forge]

Going a bit offtopic, but.

I view a person being different from a human

[muted reef]

Yes

[hexed forge]

I was literally just typing that

Rumple sent it before me..

[acoustic osprey]

More so evidence on how AE sees such generally

[muted reef]

Gen 2 are 100% people but not humans

[acoustic osprey]

What is a human

[muted reef]

They should rename them to people

[fast forge]

On top of that, there are different ways of defining "human"
Genetically? Phenotypically? Sociologically? Philosophically?

[lethal moat]

Genetically

[hexed forge]

To be classified as a person I think you have to be an intelligent creature, able to communicate and understand simple concepts.

A human is a creature from the homo genus.

[muted reef]

A species evolved from the homo genus biologically

[hexed forge]

Is that fair?

[fast forge]

genetically we don't know, I bet yes, they look a lot like us and not listed among the dinosaurs
but we won't know until Don tells us

[hexed forge]

Gen1 could be classified as a person if they are intelligent enough, which I doubt they are.

[muted reef]

They're closer to chimps in my eyes

[snow jasper]

It isn't evidence

[fast forge]

Above chimps, to me
Better at making tools, but not nearly as organized as humans

[muted reef]

A mix

[hexed forge]

We dont know if they are able to make tools tho

Thats all legacy lore with the tribal thing

[lethal moat]

They can be above chimps and still not be humans

[fast forge]

It is, just because it's outdated? It's still evidence even if it's not good evidence

[hexed forge]

Don recently denied the idea of Gen1 not able to/not needing torches.

[fast forge]

I think they are genetically and socially human, but not nearly at our brainpower

[snow jasper]

I'm the Devil's Advocate

[lethal moat]

I disagree on all accounts

[hexed forge]

Socially?

[valid geyser]

-# why do apes get all the tool making and using credit… crows do it too….

[fast forge]

That's where I started, simply saying it's possible Gen 1 are human when everyone was so sure they weren't

[hexed forge]

Ok Crow lore

[valid geyser]

Plot twist they’re BIRDS.

[fast forge]

Yes, we organize our social groups in certain ways unique among the apes

[hexed forge]

They are actually snails

[valid geyser]

Gen 1 are really weird BIRDS.

[snow jasper]

This changes everything....

[valid geyser]

So yes yes true yes oui yes

[snow jasper]

can we ban him mods?

[hexed forge]

Well.

Elaborate further on "Socially" please, I dont think im grasping what you mean there.

[fast forge]

IT LITERALLY LISTS THEM AMONG HUMANS

How can that not be used as evidence? 💀

[snow jasper]

You see, because, im right, you're wrong

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1227334225989210122.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[snow jasper]

Im really just challenging what Dondi says, and I'd be up for that challenge

[lethal moat]

Outdated

[fast forge]

it's still evidence, just like anything from Legacy

[hexed forge]

I still dont know what you mean by socially

[valid geyser]

What happens when the UI is changed and legacy is removed.

[lethal moat]

I'd say it's less than other things, because we know that tribals has changed into gen 1

[snow jasper]

If Dondi wants to say otherwise, i'll give him three choices, Label them something other than human, Label them as human
or
i'll just concede

[muted reef]

So we could call a mystery company pheonix?

[valid geyser]

“Humans?”
(Question mark flickering yes)

[hexed forge]

No.

[fast forge]

Just things like mate pairing dynamics (if they even mate), body language, social group size, hierarchies, etc.

[hexed forge]

I really doubt they mate, buttttt they probably can act in groups. So I guess it fits.

[fast forge]

I kinda switched to talking about Gen 1 here but you did initially ask about human sociality relative to other apes

[muted reef]

Exactly

[hexed forge]

Gen1 is not a human, nor a person.

Its an artificial creature. A biological weapon.

Lets start the conversation again

[fast forge]

I'd say it's a human, but not a person, and it is a weapon
I think even a normal human can be a weapon

[hexed forge]

Can an artificial creature be classified as part of the homo genus?

[snow jasper]

No

[fast forge]

Even among experts the homo genus is hard to define

When the topic came up earlier I actually looked up anthropological articles on the subject

I found an article that highlights 10 essays from anthropology students that discuss what it means to be human. They all kinda gave different answers

[hexed forge]

What did some of them say?

[fast forge]

https://content.csbs.utah.edu/~hawkes/CalcagnoFuentes_al12whatMakesUsHuman.pdf

[hexed forge]

Time to read

[fast forge]

I think Gen 1 is undoubtedly on the line between human and monster

[snow jasper]

I think the only way to know for sure is to know the process of how the replicator creates life.
Is it Ingen style by using ostrich eggs or is it by creating an extreme chemical reaction that creates life out of thin air literally, and then with that life moulds it into shape

[fast forge]

I'd argue it's more human than a pteranodon, but maybe less so than us

[fast forge]

yes, we really don't know enough about these animals to say definitively

[snow jasper]

Something being anatomically similar to humans
doesn't make it human

if it was genetically, then its a whole different story

im assuming that gen 1 was forged from thin air

literally made from the mud

[fast forge]

that's the thing, it's not like there is even a point where geneticists can go "oh it's 99.93% human, it qualifies" - it's blurry line even for them

Ultimately, they are humans if Don wants them to be humans, and anything on our part is just guesswork

[snow jasper]

Life evolved on earth separately several times
AE merely forced it to occur a thousand times

[fast forge]

what, no it didn't, all evidence points to a single origin for life on earth, the LUCA

[snow jasper]

thats a whole different debate im not getting into

[fast forge]

It's not even a debate? It's accepted as fact within the biological community.

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/hd-smirk-gif-7206957141966421326

[hexed forge]

Back from reading, or atleast.. Scanned through some of it. And uh, yes.

It seems like most/some of the essays in there say the same thing.

Our social behaviors, language abilities, and our ability to understand concepts is what makes us humans.

If not all 3 then atleast the first 2.

So,

My opinion stays the same.

[fast forge]

well the are possibly social, but likely don't have language (at least not spoken, but you can have complex social structures with only body language like chimps), and we don't know if they can understand abstract concepts

I think they are genetically human, but broadly they are demihuman

[acoustic osprey]

What is homo genus

We people are very order making people, of right and left
In a world full of the non-linear, the non binary, the spectrum

[snow jasper]

that got political

[acoustic osprey]

No?

[snow jasper]

then i reaad wrong

[acoustic osprey]

Unbinary is not a word, so i couldn't use it

But it's true
Lots of peoples see in two

The good and bad
The left and right
It's a human habit

[snow jasper]

but wheres the ugly?

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200018159726510080/1278717139548766340/backflip.gif

[hexed forge]

Wow

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[snow jasper]

im going to sleep, im expecting a ping with proof that the perimeter is as big as its said to be @acoustic osprey

[fast forge]

yes, nature exists in spectrums
we just use labels to understand our world, but it's also important to recognize that the world doesn't actually fit neatly within our categories

[acoustic osprey]

Erm that's what I said

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message

@snow jasper hope you enjoyed your sleep (when you see my ping)

[lethal moat]

What’s the conversation?

[acoustic osprey]

Run didn't believe our ~1km for each Perm side

[lethal moat]

Ah, that

Didn’t Vraptor 3d print a model of it?

[acoustic osprey]

believe so
but not to scale lol

[formal venture]

I saw this dossier for hypo rex in the wiki and it sorta makes me wonder if AE made the strains or not

I know it's outdated because legacy but still

[pale turtle]

40,652.602, 264,031.394, 27,348.436 just found a snow white cube here near the riverdelta human camp

[lethal moat]

Don’t trust the wiki, that’s outdated, and I’d say AE probably made the strains

[pale turtle]

idk what it is or what it means

[lethal moat]

I bet it’s some sort of marker for future things or a broken texture

[pale turtle]

yea probably cause you can stand on it so i dont think its a broken texture

[acoustic osprey]

that's a very old Isle Dossier

there's ton of them

but it's likely so that AE made them

but yeah
take super old stuff with nothing but a grain of salt

[lethal moat]

Got my quote for evidence of AE designing strains https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167557586699178054/1268434466485833768/image0.jpg?ex=66d2a4a7&is=66d15327&hm=715b030f0467a88d8deb1c8021ed5e146b55b48e1dacb67dc23634378032da51&

[formal venture]

That's fair, but it implies AE doesn't tell the gen 2 they made them

[acoustic osprey]

that'd be mercenaries back them

[formal venture]

Which makes sense for mercenaries

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

We know very little about Evrima gen 2 sadly

Let me in on those sweet sweet EIP details

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200018159726510080/1278717139548766340/backflip.gif

[lethal moat]

The lore wishlist is long lol

[alpine lynx]

either AE made them or the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-loki-series-bit-of-both-loki-clip-tom-hiddleston-gif-21748514

[formal venture]

Yeah, looking at it now it seems to me that AE made it and the repilcator just kept it in its system

[alpine lynx]

replicator speciements occur some anomalies right

[formal venture]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

yes

well
specifically synthesised creatures

[alpine lynx]

so some hypers also can occur anomalies too (synthesised ones)

[formal venture]

Possibly

But I don't think hypos are common enough to create a noticeable difference

[alpine lynx]

maybe some small diffirences

[formal venture]

Maybe

But given how fast a hypo grows and dies I don't think anyone has at least found anything different

Except a colour difference I guess

[alpine lynx]

hypers can mess up the whole islands ecosystem so i don't think they ever let them roam around on purpose

pretty much lab rats

[formal venture]

That's sort of the point though

They are too destructive

Just some last resort if AE somehow loses the islands

[alpine lynx]

does AE own the island or they rented it like john hammond did

[formal venture]

Keep in mind originally there was meant to be a Magnus strain that were weaker hypos without the hunger cost

Oh I think they own it

Gateway is a temporary holding site until AE moves dinosaurs to proper facilities

[alpine lynx]

type-m is scrapted tho

[formal venture]

I don't know anything about Spiro though

[alpine lynx]

we have type-h type-n and type-t

[formal venture]

Yeah but it's existence shows that type h isn't the perfect strain they wanted

It's too hungry

They kill everyone then starve

You can't tame the things

[alpine lynx]

its too hungry because of the fast metabolism

[formal venture]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

(which technically means they did their job right)

[alpine lynx]

without fast metabolism = no power and nearly infinite stamina

still would be powerfull but not a beast like hypers

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say rent if they were sending Mercs
but most likely own

[formal venture]

Look at the other strains though
Tisso doesn't seem to be that much stronger
And neuro can talk to AE via telepathy

[alpine lynx]

i think the reason of strains are mostly ''how far we can go?'' or medical useage

[acoustic osprey]

we know medical usage/aspect is one aspect

[formal venture]

Hypo would kill AE once it got hungry

[acoustic osprey]

but would still die in a few days

[formal venture]

And wipe out all humans on the island

You can't train hypos they just eat

[acoustic osprey]

that's if the humans were being silly (not protecting themselves, putting themselves in more structured environments)

[alpine lynx]

replicator is still gonna replicate more gen2's anyways

[formal venture]

Still a pain for AE though

[acoustic osprey]

that depends
we don't know how Gen2s are made though

[dawn arch]

arent humans gonna have a gun

[formal venture]

Yep

[alpine lynx]

yes

and we got things like hyper cannons if i don't remember wrong

[dawn arch]

that gonna be fun

[formal venture]

Hypo cannons?

What?

[alpine lynx]

pretty much a device to kill them i guess

[acoustic osprey]

from the sound of what we know of the anomalies
they don't seem overly complicated - like something like strains

Dean and Shirley barely got noticed
and Augustus had to destroy cameras to get some attention

[acoustic osprey]

Hyper Gun

(aka. Hyper Toxin)

nothing official
just very old food for thought

[formal venture]

Well even so that kinda proves my point that you can't tame hypos

They must be killed right after use

[alpine lynx]

you can't tame any of dinosaurs i guess

its like taming a oversized agressive bird

[acoustic osprey]

that's the thing though
how do they hold things such as this?

Doesn't mean they have to kill
Who's stopping them from putting them all in vegetative state/the vats

[formal venture]

Neuro can speak to humans (or at least understand them)
All other dinosaurs can be beaten to submission
Hypos are monsters who must be killed, you can't put them in vats because it won't comply

It's just wanna eat

[alpine lynx]

tisso's are dangerous too

[acoustic osprey]

but how would you know this though?

[alpine lynx]

at some point every strains is dangerous

[formal venture]

We don't know much about Tisso but it seems to be stealth based

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
we know Echidna can transmit short range communications using the voice of humans
and that, potentially, we may be getting EMP blasts

which is pretty dangerous for a company like AE

[formal venture]

But aside from making dilos an absolute nightmare I don't think tissos are that stronger than their base selves

Infact they might weaken larger dinosaurs

[alpine lynx]

tissos are also can split acid if i don't remember wrong

[acoustic osprey]

no

[alpine lynx]

well

[formal venture]

I haven't heard that

[alpine lynx]

but i do remember acid type thing about tisso's

[acoustic osprey]

all we know of them is that they have great limb regen

[alpine lynx]

limb regen is already a usefull thing

[formal venture]

Imagine a Tisso rex just clumsily sneaking up on some human

Ignore trees falling around it

[acoustic osprey]

cut me to pieces
shoot me in the head
break me up

but I'll always come back

[formal venture]

That's... Uh

[alpine lynx]

you can't see it tho.

[formal venture]

Wait

Is Tisso rex spring trap

[acoustic osprey]

yes

but cooler

[formal venture]

I must make flipaclip art

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[formal venture]

Hold on I'll be back

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[alpine lynx]

tisso's are literally starfish from what i can see

or something like hammerhead worm

@acoustic osprey if we cut a tisso in a half

[acoustic osprey]

on no
hydra problem lol

[alpine lynx]

do they become 2?

[acoustic osprey]

i actually do wonder
what the extent of their regeneration is lol

[alpine lynx]

might be something like hammerhead worm?

cut 1 hammerhead worm into 20 pieces and you get 20 hammerhead worms

[acoustic osprey]

I do hope it isn't minor

like an axolotl

[alpine lynx]

if its really something like hammerhead worm type regen

the only way to kill them is freezing

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[nimble fractal]

Or fire

Firethrowers......

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-in-line-line-standing-in-line-no-wait-gif-12893541

[formal venture]

Anyway Tisso in my eyes just heals quick for an animal

[alpine lynx]

they can run away tho

[formal venture]

Not some near immortal thing

[alpine lynx]

first you need to trap them

[nimble fractal]

Not if you catch them in the cage/net

[formal venture]

TRAPP

[alpine lynx]

they might, we don't know

[formal venture]

The way I see it, Tisso can survive any fight it wins

It's not unkillable

But if you just almost kill it before dying you won't make a difference

It's just make in a few minutes

Back*

[alpine lynx]

eat the tisso

[nimble fractal]

Become the tisso

[alpine lynx]

it regens back inside of your stomach

real

[formal venture]

Tissotrap

Y'all left speechless

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-lillard-william-afton-fnaf-movie-i-always-come-back-gif-2669162706584753982

[alpine lynx]

tapwings old tisso concept are literally good, i don't think they are official but the tisso id love to see

[formal venture]

If dondi sees my flipaclip art iam gonna banned

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[formal venture]

Remember my art

[low scarab]

Omni one is real lol

[dawn arch]

we need chad utah /j /j

[vague mason]

Utah on top

[hexed forge]

The heck

[lethal moat]

What’d I miss?

[hexed forge]

Nothing

I don't think Don was in chat so nothing.

[lethal moat]

Just normal conversation on strains then

Maybe we’ll get some fun info in the devblog today

[hexed forge]

Perhaps.

I hope we get some info on the new gen2

[snow jasper]

im still right, i used a calculator and redid the calculations, only keeping the given pixel sizes
got 960.686199131
basically downsized by 4% and therefore I declare victory

https://tenor.com/view/cheering-happy-celebration-jumping-smile-gif-15483748

[hexed forge]

[formal venture]

This is the canonical reason that AE can afford all of this

They sell this stuff

[lethal moat]

AE class water is currently a thing

[hexed forge]

^

[lethal moat]

Wonder if anything is assigned to Dionysus

[nimble fractal]

Dinobux

What's our current most discussed lore topic?

[lethal moat]

At the moment, it's the philosophy of what it means to be human

[hexed forge]

Yep

[fast forge]

I wonder what this actually means? Like in my lab we have DI water like you might see in a school lab, and then also "ultrapure" water, but they are both made on site with a machine that could fit in the bed of a pickup truck

[hexed forge]

Maybe its AE's own water brand... No clue.

[hexed forge]

I tried..

[lethal moat]

Lookin nice

[hexed forge]

I think I am done

[rapid chasm]

trace the stego

[sand seal]

eat the stego

[hexed forge]

I dont know how to trace it so Ima choose the eating option.

[sand seal]

Stego can't do a pull up. Eat the weak.

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=6562fdb7&is=655088b7&hm=80fb679a714555687d61311e125ea77476090c97560ee811c0512c880383e75d&

[hexed forge]

40 reps of sitting down

[sand seal]

Homie over here twerking slowly thinkin' we don't know.

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

How?
That is what I said

[snow jasper]

well, I said it was downsized from 1km per face

Its not 1000 and so I win

[acoustic osprey]

You said it was downsized
Not a tiny bit smaller but a tiny margin

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-correct-yup-thats-right-dr-emmett-brown-gif-16500686

[hexed forge]

Should I do a Diablo glance sheet next

[wild yew]

https://tenor.com/view/jet-gif-9650577

[fast forge]

1tinymargin

[surreal skiff]

Yea

[hexed forge]

Name change incoming

[hexed forge]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200018159726510080/1278717139548766340/backflip.gif

[lethal moat]

Devblog today!

[hexed forge]

Soon

[acoustic osprey]

will there be vats...

[fast forge]

wuh

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[hexed forge]

Probably not...

[hexed forge]

YAHOOO

[acoustic osprey]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExM3Myd3l0bHdmb212M3p0cHBpcm4yajFkOHpjM2lvNHkxd2Jxb3lwbiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/DOfWSktTjxrSMvJS6E/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[hexed forge]

Woo

[acoustic osprey]

huzzah

[hexed forge]

YESS

[acoustic osprey]

interesting to see Tapwing doing some of the models now

[hexed forge]

Give me like 10 min to read brb

[acoustic osprey]

no vat but this will do

[lethal moat]

Very nice

[lethal moat]

Ear infection squared

[fast forge]

it's interesting the skull is more elongate than a normal human

[lethal moat]

That lack of lips is interesting

V2 seems to be more of a sentry than a hunter v2

Keep v2 home as a guard, airdrop v1 on rival companies

[hexed forge]

Finished reading

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[hexed forge]

It's just the skull tho, the skin is missing.

But we already saw the concept, so yea no lips ig.

[lethal moat]

It’s mouth is constantly dry, imagine it clacking it’s teeth

[fast forge]

it's part dinosaur, so no lips?

[lethal moat]

Eugh, the mouth goes into the ear
I like it

[hexed forge]

oh wow

Interesting

[lethal moat]

Is that little piece of skin all it can use to move it's mouth?

Is that muscle?

[hexed forge]

I think so yea

[hexed forge]

hahaha

[fast forge]

he's trying to blend in at the mall

needs a cane and a dog with a vest

[hexed forge]

That dog is a Gen1 V1 in a fursuit..

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rastafari-gru-steve-carell-despicable-me-disguise-gif-16560547

[hexed forge]

Hahahha

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hey-hi-bernies-gif-13066444

[hexed forge]

1tinymagy...

[fast forge]

where!?!

[hexed forge]

[lofty swallow]

wait so when gen 1s get added it's literally going to be a quiet place for humans right

[acoustic osprey]

not really quiet place

but don't expect a happy time when they're around
especially as a 'normal' human

[lethal moat]

Closer to xenomorphs

[lofty swallow]

right

it'd be cool for them to be able to hear gen 2s voicechat

but not talk

[acoustic osprey]

that'd be interesting

understand their 'fellow brethren'

unless they have such as a mutation of sorts

[lofty swallow]

yeah

[hexed forge]

I really like the Gen1 mutation system that involves The Replicator

"Worship" the replicator and unlock certain mutations.

By "Worshipping" I mean sacrificing.

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[snow jasper]

How does the replicator see Gen 1s though

Does it have any regard for what it created

[acoustic osprey]

how did the gods see humans

[lethal moat]

Well it can play favorites

[lethal moat]

Cameras

[acoustic osprey]

not literally see

[snow jasper]

I see,
Give me 10 Utahraptors and I'll turn you into the Echidna

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/don’t-make-me-beg-gif-18284150441593567102

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-like-that-will-happen-gif-14783019212194612503

[hexed forge]

Or atleast gen 1.5

Welp.

It seems like HT probably is next week... thats what I said 2 weeks ago...

No Docks..

[acoustic osprey]

no docks (yet)

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859369469482631168/1174008360723546122/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[fast forge]

So is Galli or Ptera the best to get to the docks right away when the HT drops?

[hexed forge]

School starts next week for me so there goes all my potential to play the update on release

[hexed forge]

Im going to go Beipi

[fast forge]

To explore it? Or just living as a beipi there

[hexed forge]

Explore it for the first time yes

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-morgan-stare-dutch-van-der-linde-red-dead-redemption-2-gif-12469504233305973389

[hexed forge]

If a Carnivore chases me I could just jump off the Dock into the ocean

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-jump-death-suicidal-tendencies-toon-gif-25601212

Maybe check for any shipwrecks

[acoustic osprey]

and lore

[hexed forge]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

why

[hexed forge]

What if we get another lore hunt..

[acoustic osprey]

probably not

[hexed forge]

Sadly

[acoustic osprey]

i do wonder though
how Don wants to have future lore hunts (as in, having huntable lore that isn't just in your face)

like
would he do what he did for the first? - tell us about it

will they be community-focused? as in dropping one at a time for the community to find

[hexed forge]

For major lore hunts. I feel like he would need to tell us about it. Atleast acknowledge that "Oh yeah theres something for you to find"

[acoustic osprey]

will there / could there be many different huntable things in lore all at once?

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
i'm kinda 50/50 on it

I like the idea of getting the lore community to be on it together

but
would it be interesting if no one knew?

[hexed forge]

You saw what happened without confirmation of the lore object in x patch. We spent less than an hour searching and then just said "Nothing yet!!" even tho it was in..

We needed Don to come in and tell us..

[acoustic osprey]

we didn't give up though, to an extent

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-really-it-is-what-it-is-gif-22328595

[acoustic osprey]

but I've taken notes
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

[hexed forge]

mmmmm true

[acoustic osprey]

I'd like for Don to do what we he did
but not tell us it's in

basically have what the description was in the dibble video

but
do it purposefully

If there is something telling us "X" is being "LOOKED FOR" + "CURRENTLY/STILL ACTIVE" in some way in lore

[hexed forge]

Oooo

That would be a good way to let us know

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
what we had for the dibble video description was good

[hexed forge]

Mhm, only difference is that it wasnt in the game until 2 months later.

[acoustic osprey]

but the thing is
Dondi, then, should make sure that all descriptions/worded information about things in present tense

should be used only to infer to us, as the community, to "look out"

i don't think i'm describing it well

think of the boy who cried wolf

Dondi should only "cry wolf" (have a reference like this #isle-lore-theories message)
if there is actually a wolf (lore to be found by the community)

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

the only difference though
is that when the Dibble video came out

the description was like that
and the lore hunt wasn't even a thing yet

[hexed forge]

yea

[acoustic osprey]

so you'd have to make sure (Dondi and the devs) that "X" thing is available to find in-game

but this isn't limited to youtube video descriptions

heck
imagine we got something like a "tartarus" mention in the dibble video

aka. One frame in an official isle video saying "FIND ME" ||etc etc||

Don could play around with how he wants the community to be notified on it
which is something I'd like to see with the next few tests

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-legos-lego-movie-the-lego-movie-lord-business-gif-14918893678110562201

[hexed forge]

Maybe something in the Halloween video

Let me hope.

[acoustic osprey]

would be cool
but I doubt it'd be something so close

[hexed forge]

Also, funny thing that I noticed.

When did we first find out about F5? The Dibble video right?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-madness-amadeus-mozart-tom-hulce-gif-24721583

[acoustic osprey]

no

[hexed forge]

Well you are wrong!!

Because we first found out about F5 in the April Fools video

[hexed forge]

You ruined my perfect setup for a joke

[acoustic osprey]

I HAVE TO KNOW BECUASE OF MY VIDEO

GW_F5 was first mentioned, within The Isle’s complete lore, in probably the worst way ever.
Ultra Real Living Roadmap was the Official April Fools video of 2024 for The Isle. It showcased the same UI bootup as both the AUGUSTUS video and the actual Official Roadmap (the Living Roadmap).

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[hexed forge]

Hows the video coming along?

[acoustic osprey]

about 1/4ths way edited

[hexed forge]

Yay, lets see what comes out first.

The Halloween lore video or Isaacs video.

Place your bets

[acoustic osprey]

uh oh

[hexed forge]

Rumple has no faith in Isaac

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[fast forge]

I have learned the pain of editing

[hexed forge]

If the Halloween video comes out first it might completely outdate everything in your dibble video.

I would say that you NEED to release the dibble video first..

[lethal moat]

I experienced it for the podcast and decided nahp, no more

[hexed forge]

Its even more painful when you accidentally click something that messes up everything

[fast forge]

I recorded audio for a video about the morse code message, and decided I hate my voice

[hexed forge]

We all experienced that at some point

[fast forge]

I sound very dorky, but tbh I think that might be channel's vibe, focusing on "how to" videos and such

[acoustic osprey]

do or do not
there is no try

[hexed forge]

I try, We try, We fail, We- Idk what else to say.

[lethal moat]

Did it eat it's own lips?

There is zero fat and barely any skin

[hexed forge]

Lol

I wonder how tough it's skin is

Or is it super fragile, so it relies on stealth.

[tender shard]

New G1 is meh.The old one was funnier,he looked like a dinosaur-man from b movies idk,now he is just generic zombie

[lethal moat]

We've had this one for awhile

[tender shard]

These holes and the face that looks like a skull covered in skin It's not that noticeable in the art

[lethal moat]

mhm, it looks interesting

What advantage does that offer

[fast forge]

just imagine that thing standing over you
what are they, 7 foot?

[lethal moat]

Roughly

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
the shading is harder to notice
but the lined side profile makes it more noticeable

[snow jasper]

haha no lips haha, dry teeth

[lethal moat]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/k8H0riR0fGs?feature=share

[snow jasper]

i have the loudest bite

im trying to get into the Guinness world records

[tender shard]

I mean that old cannibal looked like a live creature,moderately thin,but not like a walking corpse,simply an agile predator like carno or omni

[lethal moat]

Different gen 1 designed for different things

[woeful oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1279285241608929280/IMG_1973.gif

[acoustic osprey]

bigson!!

[woeful oasis]

ellow

[lethal moat]

Alright, lets assume gen 1 are ultra-specialized, and we currently have the hunters and watchdogs, what other gen 1 make sense, I’m thinking a gatherer, some sort of construction thing, and maybe some sort of manage that’s better at communicating

[acoustic osprey]

Spore Tribal stage roles

[low scarab]

Can’t wait for a completed gen1 model claws and all

[strange shell]

Musician Gen 1s to turn enemies into allies

[fast forge]

that's called a bard

[strange shell]

That was a Spore reference

[fast forge]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/spore-tribe-tribal-chieftain-dance-gif-27108910

[fast forge]

I used to love spore, but it's been so long...

[acoustic osprey]

Play it today

[hexed forge]

me not knowing what spore even is

[acoustic osprey]

"Old" EA game

[fast forge]

I lost my CD long ago

[acoustic osprey]

Basically cool version of an evolution game

[hexed forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

I still have my sims 3 CD lol

Don't think I bought spore on disc

[fast forge]

lol when I bought it you could only get it on disc

you couldn't easily download a game back then, file too big and internet too slow

oh wait maybe not, 2008...

[acoustic osprey]

yeah it feels long enough now lol

my mums computer could run it (i believe we did a very legal method of getting it)
i never got it on Steam till my dad bought a faster computer

that's when i started getting addicted to the games!!

which is wacky to think about now

Spore, Minecraft and Wizard101 were the games I started on properly

if my memory serves me right

found out my Lightclaw name didn't come from Wizard101
so i don't think I'll ever find out where it did come from

also
for anyone reading chat

#isle-lore-theories message
opinions on this
for future 'lore hunts' / aka 'things to find in-game that you have to putting effort into'
(bit of a pain to read, apologies)

[hexed forge]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

YOU WERE IN CHAT!!

[hexed forge]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

yay
anyways

final message
good night

[fast forge]

I first got into games with my NES, playing the first Super Mario Bros and Metroid and stuff

[hexed forge]

Nightgood

[fast forge]

As far as future lore hunts, I'm excited but not sure just what we can expect

It will be interesting to see what Don and the team cooks up

[hexed forge]

I really hope we get another one this year.

[fast forge]

It could also generate a lot of hype for the game if it is something that content creators can engage with
Might be less fun for our little lore group, but it would be good for the game

[hexed forge]

Isaac!!!

Isaac needs to stream the lore hunts

[fast forge]

Hacker would def get involved

[hexed forge]

Yea

[fast forge]

I want to start making more stuff too, I was gonna stream yesterday if the hordetest dropped

[hexed forge]

I want to stream too. But everytime I hear my voice in a recording makes me want to punch the screen.

[fast forge]

Learning to get over that is tough, but I think the best way to do it is to just do it
You'll strengthen your vocal muscles and get better with time

[hexed forge]

True

[fast forge]

And most of all, do it primarily because it seems fun, not because of any larger goals
This isn't true with all things, but definitely true with streaming

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[hexed forge]

I wonder if this connects to GUTS or is it just another room built into the ground. (The hanger is inside a cliff)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-heavy-maybe-sniff-well-see-gif-16650546

[gusty fern]

Ok so I know that this is basically old lore, but In the trailer "Hope." near the end it shows this logo (pheonix international), then says carnage comes home, and then we hear a roar very similar to the rex roar from primal carnage. So its pretty much confirmed that they used to be (or maybe still are because its an early evrima trailer) connected

[lethal moat]

Primal carnage and the isle are no longer connected

[hexed forge]

^

[gusty fern]

yea many people said that they mightve been connected, but this proves that they definitely were, but not anymore

[lethal moat]

Yep

[hexed forge]

Mhm

The connection between them was pretty interesting in Legacy, but I assume both games had different ideas on the lore. So they just split up.

[strange shell]

I think The Isle's lore is way deeper (and probably darker) than Primal Carnage's, hence the retcon

[lethal moat]

#RememberCraig

[strange shell]

#Jimdidnothingwrong

[hexed forge]

Jim made the Matriarch breakout... Wdym he did nothing wrong!!

[lethal moat]

He did a good thing, free my boi jim

[iron anchor]

moo

[hexed forge]

[muted reef]

They used PCE sounds in legacy as well (when I went back to play it I was shocked how many they used)

[gusty fern]

Tbh I would too, because I would NOT be able to make roars

Ngl the isle legacy lore is so much darker than evrima

[alpine lynx]

evrima is darker trust me

we only know a little about it, so things might get alot darker lol

[gusty fern]

maybe

but for me the legacy version remains the more horror version than evrima, both in terms of gameplay, map and lore (for now)

[low scarab]

Agreed here

Most lore nerds wouldn’t agree with me but I still think legacy is the darkest could js be game content tho

[gusty fern]

its got a different feeling than evrima, more cold and sad

[low scarab]

100% agreed

Color grading fog music etc all make the mood significantly better than evrima

Not to say evrima won’t or can’t improve

[lethal moat]

I get the feeling Evrima will be more about what was lost

[gusty fern]

evrima defenitely feels more hopeful in a sense (Which is why i prefer legacy in the horro aspect)

[low scarab]

How so?

[gusty fern]

ngl i feel like legacy is more about what is lost, buildings feel more abandonded, no humans (because it got cancelled but still)

thats just my opinion tho

[lethal moat]

Evrima more being about what AE used to have but no more, Legacy being about using what you have available to you

[gusty fern]

basically what ur saying is evrima is what AE used to have but no more (Legacy dinosaurs), and legacy is what we have available (more dinosaurs because in development) XD

in all seriousness the devs are making quick development, just not releasing it quickly

[low scarab]

Ok I sort of get what you mean legacy ae was more established and successful in a way evrima being ae is sort of cooked

[lethal moat]

From what I understand, yes

[low scarab]

The story/lore of the isle is significantly further in development if not completed compared to the game itself

[gusty fern]

well thats good for lore addicts

[low scarab]

It would be if dondi would feed us

[lethal moat]

More lore please

[low scarab]

Rn it’s probably locked away with the security of the White House

[lethal moat]

Lore is nice

[gusty fern]

tbh i wish they continued with legacy, although evrima is more unique in gameplay and got (mostly) better mechanics, i do think they scrapped the vibe of legacy. I mean, its great they got this far, and evrima is a huge step for a small team of 16 people, but I do think they are making it strive away from the horror genre

[formal venture]

Hopefully when humans are finished the horror aspect returns

[gusty fern]

in some servers you can play as them i think

I remember playing in a community server and i played as a human

[fast forge]

I think they are establishing a baseline now, before adding more horror elements
Human buildings, monstrous animals, creepy genetic experiments are all set to come

[formal venture]

Yeah but they are really hanky and not complete

Janky*

[gusty fern]

Tbh it is more scary but you run out of things to do very quick

[fast forge]

and yeah I think the FPS view of the humans makes it much more scary

[formal venture]

Kinda like how dondi thought that new camera system would

[gusty fern]

my only problem is that at night u can barely see anything if ur in bushes (Which i understand but it gets a bit frustrating)

[lethal moat]

Part of the scary

[gusty fern]

same it sounds cool, being able to watch whats happening through cameras

[formal venture]

I meant the Dinos

[lethal moat]

The NVGs will probably be valuable

[formal venture]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

Until someone gets the IR vision mutation

[formal venture]

Once a gen 2 gets nvg and a semi automatic they can hunt dinosaurs

At least that's my take

[gusty fern]

oh, i mean it was ok, i wouldnt really mind it

[lethal moat]

I fell like hunting dinos as a gamestyle is a bad idea

[formal venture]

Yeah but at some point players are gonna try it

Especially once they get good gear

[lethal moat]

Troodons as anti dino hunter 💪

[formal venture]

Probably more effective than apexs

Try shooting those things

[lethal moat]

[strange shell]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-mini-gun-gif-18507819

[formal venture]

Oh and if rurops is a Human hunter like everyone's thinking that will be fun

[gusty fern]

Imagine growing 8 hours just to die from a guy with a gun

[strange shell]

skill issue

[gusty fern]

Damn

[lethal moat]

Imagine spending hours to get all the parts for a gun, firing once, and every carnivore using that as a beacon for a free meal

[formal venture]

Also for most of gen 2 they will get stomped

[gusty fern]

True

Unless guns can 1 shot (which I doubt cuz it's really unbalanced) gen 2 gonna get destroyed

[lethal moat]

Probably depends on the dino

[muted reef]

They are gonna just depends on spot and dino

Like a shot to an omnis body is probably going to kill it but a shot to a rexes body probably isn't

[formal venture]

Gen 2 is either the worst or one of the best choices in the game

If you want a balanced experience tho just pick Dino's or gen 1

[lethal moat]

Both

[muted reef]

I'm going Gen 2 all the way I've tested their stats since they released with guns (not that they're gonna be final)

Speaking of I gotta finish those

[gusty fern]

Wait what

[muted reef]

yeah

[lethal moat]

I'm going to try to go for a more mobile gen 2 playstyle

[muted reef]

Wdym

[gusty fern]

I wonder if there's going to be vehicles in the game

[muted reef]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Portable generator on the back of an ATV

Wrong reply

[gusty fern]

Welp

That's it

I'm hitting every dinosaur I see with a my car

Gonna run them over lol

[lethal moat]

Total your car into a sauropod shin

[gusty fern]

Fr

[muted reef]

Alright I'm finishing the stats now

[gusty fern]

Wait so are you like a play tester or smth?

[muted reef]

No they';ve been in the game

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 is available on certain unofficials

[formal venture]

In my eyes this is how humans will progress

[lethal moat]

Perhaps

[gusty fern]

So wdym

[muted reef]

I time and test things on them in the game

[gusty fern]

Level 1 rookie Vs level 10000 mafia boss

[muted reef]

Damage, speed, starvation, dehydrations, swiming stamina, sprint stamina etc

[gusty fern]

Oh that's cool

[muted reef]

Last thing I got is the hunger and thirst stats which is gonna take me an hour or two

[formal venture]

Gen 1 will be consistently viable while gen 2 can be great or terrible

[muted reef]

Gen 2 is gonna spawn with a knife iirc so they should be ok against things smaller than omni

[gusty fern]

I wonder how humans are gonna eat, just munch on dinosaurs? Or actually probably berries or smth idk

[lethal moat]

MREs

[muted reef]

They eat plants or could eat food packs

[formal venture]

I bet eating Dino's is part of how you become eyeless as gen 1

[muted reef]

Replicator more likely

[lethal moat]

Well that depends

Are gen 1 on gateway (I don't believe so)

[formal venture]

I'm not sure

[muted reef]

They are like 70% not

It's prolly only gen 2 and dinos

[formal venture]

Makes sense for a temporary holding site

[muted reef]

Officials should be the canon roster

[muted reef]

Thats not really what gateway is

Oh wait I misinterpreted

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[muted reef]

You were saying gen 1 make more sense for a site right

[hexed forge]

If thats the case then hopefully Don figures out how to put Rex on officials.

[muted reef]

Actually yeah that'd make rex part of it

[formal venture]

Yeah they don't seem like the thing you leave on an island

[lethal moat]

I think gen 1 should just be kept well away from gateway's surface, maybe strain testing if that's done in tartarus and it's underneith the map

[muted reef]

They're an offensive item

[lethal moat]

Not entirely

[muted reef]

Mostly

[hexed forge]

My belief is that Gen1 are on Site 12

If Site 12 is what it is thought to be

[lethal moat]

How confident are you

[hexed forge]

Super confident

[muted reef]

100%

I'm about to get smited

[muted reef]

It's not really that anymore

[hexed forge]

I dont agree

[formal venture]

It's a rushed flipaclip post

[muted reef]

But thats legacy stuff wait nevermind thats just simply outdated stuff from evrima

[hexed forge]

Outdated theories*

[muted reef]

Yeah I'm tired as hell i was awake 20 hours yesterday

(still got 13 hours of sleep )

[lethal moat]

I'll explain in a moment

[muted reef]

😨

[lethal moat]

Dondi said they're a deterrant and that AE doesn't respond until they absolutely need to

[hexed forge]

So its a defensive weapon that AE uses as an Offense.

Idk if that even makes sense.

So yea, I guess you are right.

Defensive weapon.

[muted reef]

Good defense is good offense so I'm correct

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[muted reef]

[muted reef]

Tested it, gen 2 can survive the south plains waterfall but thats the furthest it can fall

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-edge-runner-edge-runners-cyberpunk-edgerunner-cyberpunk2077-gif-27635553

[lethal moat]

That is not the same thing

There's a difference in retalitory strikes and taking someone out before they become a threat

[snow jasper]

ofc i ping catag the second he goes afk or something

i dont even ping specific people often, but the one time i do and he died here

[muted reef]

Lmao

[low scarab]

I like this idea I think the environment the replicators creations are put in change them very quickly which is why I think dean will become a neuro and Shirley a hyper

[keen shuttle]

what is going to be on the island to the south, it doesnt spawn AI currently and you need the kidney mutation to drink water there

[acoustic osprey]

Wrong channel

[lethal moat]

Nope

[lethal moat]

There’s currently some GUTS entrances there, so potentially something with the monorail, especially since we’ve seen it go over that island whenever we’ve seen it so far

[muted reef]

It is done "Gen 2 stats. 17 minute and 35 second run, rest time is 1 minute and 15 seconds for full regeneration, 18 jumps until you’re out of stam(each jump uses up 6% stamina), water drain is 30 minutes and 10 seconds, food drain is 44 minutes and 50 seconds, you lose all stamina while swimming in 10 minutes and 20 seconds but can swim indefinitely, speed is roughly 23.8 kmh, and they have 85 health. A punch does around 6-24 damage depending on where you hit. A kick does 15-30 damage depending on where you hit. A single revolver bullet does around 16-24 damage depending on where you hit. The highest fall a Gen 2 can take is the height of the first South Plains waterfall."

[lethal moat]

I find monorail interesting from a logistics perspective

[low scarab]

Nice pfp

[muted reef]

Yes

[low scarab]

No way

[lethal moat]

Wonder if we’ll get a massive cattle guard on it

[low scarab]

Yk that thing that goes into the water called transistor from dondis stream

I wonder if that connects to a future building on the island like showcased in the old gateway map

The big one that was almost entirely in the water

[lethal moat]

Ooo, that’s an interesting thoight

The thing that looks like an aquatic facility

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Let me segway into logistics conversation

How did things work before they didn’t

I’m especially curious about monorail stations

Are they underground, are they more protected than normal structures to prevent stowaways? I need answers!

[hexed forge]

Okay im back from the Lorecord Hunger games.

[hexed forge]

It connected to nothing tho..?

Im confused

[hexed forge]

Underground/Inside of mountains and on the surface, they would be on the surface only near Docks tho I would assume.

[fast forge]

this island interests me, maybe a seawall to protect the aquatic facility

[hexed forge]

Looks like it

[lethal moat]

Or that GUTS entrance goes directly into a loading area for the monorail

[low scarab]

Yes top left even looks like it has something sticking off the side toward the island where was the transistor located on the map?

[low scarab]

Hmmm

Idk we’ll see ig

[fast forge]

I never noticed this little island facility

[lethal moat]

Lighthouse?

[hexed forge]

I feel like its a power line that controls all the power on the island.

The power comes from a different AE island via the Transistor

[fast forge]

no, that would be outside this bay that is between the islands

[low scarab]

hmm I like that idea

[lethal moat]

Hear me out
Boats on the inside

[hexed forge]

A whole island dedicated to supplying power maybe?

Could be what the Aquatic facility is on the old concept.

Obviously that is from legacy tho and outdated, the picture I sent.

[fast forge]

Gateway does have the dam, and potential geothermal power, so it has some power generation of it's own

[lethal moat]

That's a decent sized skylight back there

[low scarab]

its not exact but honestly something similar it could be

[fast forge]

for plants to grow...

[hexed forge]

I feel like the Volcano on Gateway has been Dormant for a VERY LONG TIME. So long that water is developing deep under the volcano in caves. Would there be enough for a proper source of geothermal power?

[lethal moat]

I'm starting to doubt geothermal tbh

[hexed forge]

Same

[fast forge]

really hard to say
realistically it's unlikely
but it's also sci-fi so they might do it just cause it looks cool

[hexed forge]

I hope they dont do that

Since it would ruin the Transistor theories

Unless ofc Transistor is something else completely

But we know its atleast related to power

[lethal moat]

Probably

[fast forge]

This is the realistic option, as island volcanoes are usually made by a hotspot under the tectonic plate. As the plate moves there are more volcanic islands created, and old volcanoes leave the hotspot and go out

[hexed forge]

I see

[fast forge]

but I also think volcanic underground caverns would be cool to see

[lethal moat]

Lava tubes

[hexed forge]

Maybe on a different map

[snow jasper]

I know the majority of AE's architecture is heavily brutalistic, but I hope the "Visitor Center", if its not a bait, has a completely different architectural style

[lethal moat]

The happy place

[snow jasper]

exactly

[muted reef]

Then you see the blood stained walls and gen 1 chilling in the corner

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-25713602

[hexed forge]

Hoping for some more information on the weird F5 grid in the next video

[lethal moat]

I hope we have to find that in-game

[muted reef]

Whats up with the grid

[hexed forge]

Its weird

[lethal moat]

F5 doesn't like up with the current grid map we have

[hexed forge]

How would Don implement it as a thing that we find ingame

[muted reef]

Wasnt there another anomaly

[lethal moat]

H5 I think

[hexed forge]

Had a seizure writing this

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[hexed forge]

GW_H4

[muted reef]

Whats with F5 and H5 that doesn't align

[lethal moat]

I was close

[hexed forge]

It does align with the grid.

[fast forge]

H4 at least matches a base on the concept map
F5 is just water

[muted reef]

Ah rump must've meant H4

Anyway whats up with them?

[hexed forge]

Well F5 could be the aquatic facility, just was moved a bit closer to the shore and different from the OG concept.

[fast forge]

maybe, but I'm not convinced

[hexed forge]

We literally told you whats wrong with it 3 times

[muted reef]

The H4 BASE doesn't align with the grid is what you should've said

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

[fast forge]

So this base is labeled H4 incorrectly

[lethal moat]

Yes

[fast forge]

(sorry wasn't meant to be a question, but a lead-in to next point)

[hexed forge]

Im betting that GW_H4 is actually part of the weird F5 gird, and its not located in West ccess.

[hexed forge]

OR

GW_H4 is part of the weird F5 grid

[fast forge]

There's a small base right where Isaac's H4 is located, in the blue map

[muted reef]

I really hope theres a way to permanently remove hotspots and actually get the flow going...(remove like 60% of the carnivores from other carnivores preffered diet I'm just saying )

[hexed forge]

Blue map? The map you sent above?

[fast forge]

yes

[hexed forge]

Oh THAT map.

I see

It kind of fits ngl.

[fast forge]

Oh I mistakenly wrote H6, Isaac has H5

[fast forge]

The big square is too far west to be H4, but the very small base could be it

[hexed forge]

Road leading uphill, you could see it going into the direction of hills. It matches..

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

[fast forge]

yes, and the plants are very similar there, mixture of jungle trees into palm savanna

[muted reef]

Why is the grid

You are waiting for me to make an edit, but I did not stutter

[fast forge]

In the diabloceratops video we had interspersed frames showing a map with diabloceratops tracking data
I compiled those frames into this gif

[muted reef]

Why is the grid

[hexed forge]

Actually, H4 couldve been on the map before we got to play it.

We know that the map imploded when they were switching to UE5. (Gateway)

That footage couldve been taken before 6.5.

[fast forge]

Isaac took that and made this map

[hexed forge]

This is based from the recent Kissen information btw.

[muted reef]

Whats it for lore wise

[fast forge]

organization? no idea

[muted reef]

As experienced in the lore as I am I really am oblivious to many things lmao

[hexed forge]

H4 mightve existed

[acoustic osprey]

It didn't prior

Nothing there in Xmas ST

[muted reef]

Oh what if we apply the grid to Spiro that'd be cool

[fast forge]

it wouldn't solve F5 as we have also seen it written as "GW-F5", presumably GW is for "Gateway"

[muted reef]

I wasn't saying it would I was just saying what if we did it for funsies

[hexed forge]

Maybe it was added after the Xmas ST

[muted reef]

Then we could name some of the old bases

Speaking of when is spiro getting nuked goddamn

[hexed forge]

We don't need to do that.

Spiro has no purpose to lore yet.

[muted reef]

It would be for fun mister . man

[hexed forge]

What purpose

[muted reef]

I don't think it will tbh unless it's the hunting island

[muted reef]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

I want spero over spiro

[muted reef]

HOLY CRAP MOST BASED OPINION EVER

When I looked up isle evrima map and saw spero I was hyped out of my mind...and then I realized it got scrapped

Eh if it doesn't come we could just wait for some skilled modders to do it

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-family-guy-peter-griffin-insane-crazy-gif-21485232

[muted reef]

Isla to hope

island of hope

Isla Spero the Island of Hope. Isla Velada the Veiled Island, Isla Spiro the crapper

[hexed forge]

Gateway

Gateway to Tartarus

(I refuse to accept Isla Velada as it's name)

[muted reef]

Both? Both? Both? Both is good...

[muted reef]

The Veiled Gateway to Tartarus

[fast forge]

of all time

[acoustic osprey]

On the developmental timeline? It would make no sense

[snow jasper]

Thats a shame, im Pro Velada

[toxic ledge]

what is this from?

[hexed forge]

AUGUSTUS video on isles channel

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

👎 !!

[acoustic osprey]

maybe we'll find out more with the 'next' lore video...

[hexed forge]

Hope so

But first you must finish your video!!!

[acoustic osprey]

NOOO

trust me
I don't end the video off lightly....

[hexed forge]

Uh oh

[hexed forge]

Elaborate

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200018159726510080/1278717139548766340/backflip.gif

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/change-da-world-frog-disappearing-peace-sign-gif-27285835

[icy onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1148168976199860366/1253152082274287637/original_15d77c7faa6cf7f33ff19b132172078e.gif

[hexed forge]

yay

So what are the chances of the S in 12-S being SYNTH

TYR.12-SYNTH.003 [SHIRLEY]

(12 being Site12)

[alpine lynx]

so TYR.12 means shirley is the 12th rex?

[hexed forge]

Don said it makes sense but that doesn't mean it's correct ofc.

[hexed forge]

What no...

[alpine lynx]

what does it mean then?

[hexed forge]

12 is the location.

[alpine lynx]

oh well.

[alpine lynx]

so the numbers next to “TYR” says the locations right?

[snow jasper]

i-12

[hexed forge]

TYR is the species name.
12 is the location.
S is ? (Possibly Synth)
003 is the asset number.
SHIRLEY is Assets name

[hexed forge]

Site 12!!

[alpine lynx]

i guess the location number changes everytime the rex moves?

[snow jasper]

since when were we calling them sites now?

[hexed forge]

No...

[hexed forge]

Site 12 is the name of a legacy island that possibly is Canon to evrima.

[alpine lynx]

i meant like if the rex goes to another location, doesn’t that change the number?

oh nvm..

[hexed forge]

No. It's the location of where the rex was made.

[snow jasper]

oh i assumed this is about the rex in augustus vid

[alpine lynx]

ok i see lol

[snow jasper]

just me and my good old ignorance :>

[alpine lynx]

is isle v3 still canon? i guess not

[hexed forge]

Likely not.

[alpine lynx]

i don’t think if we had anything crazy in isle v3

other than the island walker

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/barley-wine-watermelon-gallagher-smash-mallet-gif-16239712

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

albeit
why though

we've seen the dibbles being numbered differently

unless they were synths, to a degree

but it's a bit 50/50

it might just be the chiptracking system goes by different numbers

which would be confusing but could be the case

[alpine lynx]

whats the diffirence between synths and normal dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

made by "the machine" (the replicator) vs naturally born (nested in)

[alpine lynx]

any diffirence other than these?

[acoustic osprey]

we know synths have more anomalous behaviour

[alpine lynx]

Can synth and naturally born dinosaurs breed?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[alpine lynx]

well

[acoustic osprey]

at least
there's no real big difference between a synth and natural born in terms of breeding

a natural born is still technically a synth, to some degree

these are not real creatures

a natural born is just a dinosaur that wasn't directly synthesised - being that it's the offspring of a a parent/ancestor who was a synth

[snow jasper]

all until there is a big difference

off the radar

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of being born without a tracking chip?