isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

Legal issues

[dense nexus]

what if they would never know they had been “replicated”

[wicked brook]

Of course not, but in that state you basically own them, their property and I’m sure the ones not natural born would have implants

[lethal moat]

Then they aren’t the same

It really boils down to exactly what EIPs are, since we haven’t heard much in Evrima

[wicked brook]

True, can’t wait for the devs to start to put more story clues into the map itself to find, like lost documents

[snow jasper]

too scp

AHH shock horror, i wad looking at old messages

[wicked brook]

They’ve said they want the community to discover lore together

[lethal moat]

Lore hunts are fun

[snow jasper]

theres no lore to discover, 99% is info dondi says here

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-gregory-house-sad-crying-compassion-gif-14821639

[lethal moat]

And, lorecord recently celebrated it’s first birthday 🥳

[wicked brook]

Yes like a big puzzle I love it

[acoustic osprey]

right now... yes...

[dense nexus]

what if allosaurus is secretly the main character?!

[lethal moat]

Prepare to be incinerated

[wicked brook]

You got a point

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-smite-you-gif-26518458

[dense nexus]

said AE after they explained to you that you aren’t the original version of yourself

[wicked brook]

I’m thinking the EIPs are similar to how, Portal did their personality cores

[dense nexus]

and that they had to destroy the evidence

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/palmas-gif-26050611

[lethal moat]

AE isn’t evil for the sake of being evil, they do bad things for the greater good ||that greater good involving profit makes it less appealing, but people have to want a product to buy it||

[snow jasper]

so ae is evil anyways!! death to ae!!!

[acoustic osprey]

but that's the thing though
your memories still make you you though to an extent

but how much does that change you without your body?
Surely you only experience your life through your mind and how it perceives it

but, for me, the biggest aspect wouldn't be AE cleaning the minds each time - especially given previous quotes
but more so how the physical brain may affect and change the conscious mind (the profile) with how it may see, think, understand the world around you

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/mpla-death-to-the-mpla-black-ops2-bo2-savimbi-gif-19792376

[lethal moat]

Is wanting money evil

[wicked brook]

Right portals slogan basically, 🎶We do what we must because we can. For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead.🎶

[snow jasper]

Yes, its greed

[dense nexus]

they aren’t exactly going the most morally correct route

[lethal moat]

Is wanting to survive evil

[lethal moat]

Morally correct route to where?

[acoustic osprey]

AE? no
Emo!

They're dark and introverted
very grey and edgy! 😎

DON'T LOOK AT ME MOM!

[snow jasper]

Thats an individual question

[dense nexus]

who knows where it took them, dinosaurs yeah but what else

[wicked brook]

“For science! You monster.”

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/infinity-war-avengers-gamora-kid-what-did-it-cost-gamora-gif-12978287

[acoustic osprey]

it's why i see stuff like EIPs being very astronaught-esque

those who signed up know the consequences

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[snow jasper]

People in the isle‘s universe will 100% have mixed views on AE hence the opposition
i keep forgetting what names they are

[acoustic osprey]

i don't believe they used criminals though
unless that's AE's "JP move"

[lethal moat]

EC and RF

[snow jasper]

ty

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[wicked brook]

Criminals or just people who are terminal and are looking for any hope to keep living in some way, even if it isn’t actually “them”

[lethal moat]

I would say terminal is the more likely of the two

[acoustic osprey]

I'd see AE's allowing more terminally affected people over criminals, if they are 'smart'

[wicked brook]

I think my mind jumped to criminals because of that one terminator movie

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

AE can do bad things without having bad motives

[dense nexus]

The question is how far up the ladder do you have to be to know about EIPs, once you know about it, is there any going back? Or are they pressured. You either do it now that you know, or get sent to a worse fate

[acoustic osprey]

it's not bad if you make the rules!!

[lethal moat]

That also depends on what EIPS are and what they're used for

[snow jasper]

misguided volunteers

[dense nexus]

Insurance

[wicked brook]

Yeah there are many ways to manipulate people and or’get rid of them’ with an ‘accident’

[acoustic osprey]

erm
embyro intelligence profile

[lethal moat]

Maybe once they've been tested and working completely
But that likely requires testing

Where are we in that story

[acoustic osprey]

we are here

[snow jasper]

im in bed, i know that

[wicked brook]

Until humans come to the game we can’t be sure where in the timeline we are in the lore, late? Early? Middle?

[lethal moat]

Even then, it could vary

[muted reef]

We could be in the 2020s or 2100's

[dense nexus]

Just because surface operations on gateway have seized doesn’t mean all operations and studies has halted

[lethal moat]

Gateway isn't functional

[dense nexus]

they don’t have to be based on the island

[lethal moat]

True

[dense nexus]

to study the island

[snow jasper]

What happens if the players make gateway a functional site

[lethal moat]

The replicator still works enough to pump out dinos

[wicked brook]

Probably main base is on a ship off shore

[dense nexus]

what is gateway the gateway to?

[muted reef]

The question is...are the models and items on the buildings important to the timeline? Because some are store bought. Some have 2000 dates on them while others are from the 2010's...so what the hells going on? Could be that they tried to retrofit the island with new tech and failed terribly

[dense nexus]

is it stated

[lethal moat]

Tartarus

[muted reef]

The Gates of Hell (tartarus)

[snow jasper]

opens to a happy fun place

[wicked brook]

G.U.T.S

[snow jasper]

mcdonald‘s play area!

[wicked brook]

Ewww

[dense nexus]

and what do we know of tartarus apart from its where they send people right

[muted reef]

Really had to give it a creepy name

[muted reef]

Testing place likely dangerous

[lethal moat]

In legacy, it was a creation/containment facility for the strongest creatures on the island

[wicked brook]

Like the strains

[lethal moat]

And the matriarch

[wicked brook]

It’s the job posting no one wants

[lethal moat]

A place to get reassigned to

[dense nexus]

and gateway being the gateway means it’s linked somehow?

[muted reef]

Lineage replacement or whatever tf the last word was

[lethal moat]

That is the assumption

[lethal moat]

displacement

[wicked brook]

Big Underground facility

[muted reef]

Damn

[dense nexus]

where you go before? or legitimately how you get there

[lethal moat]

I'm convinced that doesn't mean "family" as lineage

[lethal moat]

Dunno

[muted reef]

If Tartarus looks like the Romulus space station in the New Alien movie I'll be in tears of joy

[wicked brook]

I think the G.U.T.S will be a home to the cannibals

[dense nexus]

and gateway doesn’t mean something else?

[lethal moat]

It might

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[muted reef]

Hey they arent cannibals anymor

[acoustic osprey]

i want pure pristine sanitised white clean hyper modern sci-fi labs
exactly the opposite of the rough, piss-green, brutalism style of the buildings and it's lighting
but I don't want just standard labs
i want proper light white
glistening in your eyes.
it's pretty sci-fi
but it would 100% really feel like "oh... this feels weird"

[lethal moat]

They can be cannibalistic

[muted reef]

You've said this before. Pretty sure some of romulus is pretty white and other areas are darker, redder...

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
Don said the tribals were cannibals

so...

[acoustic osprey]

I've said it before and I will still say it

[wicked brook]

The backrooms science style

[lethal moat]

I want GUTS to be very much like a lab

[wicked brook]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
we've seen, roughly gotten a glimpse at least, what they'll look like with Vis' 'underground monorail tunnel' model

[lethal moat]

mhm, all brutalist and utilitarian

[acoustic osprey]

which is when we described GUTS
without name dropping

[dense nexus]

Just thinking gateway could mean more, like a gateway to new discoveries or a new world. Or it’s just a stepping stone in getting to tartarus and means nothing else

[lethal moat]

I would agree

[acoustic osprey]

(Gateway to tartarus)

[muted reef]

The Latter

[wicked brook]

Yeah it’s most likely the latter

[muted reef]

Something about the island seems so claustrophobic and creepy sometimes

It really makes you wonder what actually happened on it

[acoustic osprey]

DO NOT PASS GATEWAY

[muted reef]

(which is something that the music could help with if it wasn't dogwater)

[lethal moat]

I mean, you are stuck if you don't find a boat or an aircraft

[wicked brook]

There was a giant skeleton on the legacy map, I wonder if there will be one to find on gateway

[acoustic osprey]

it's not really dogwater
just the orchestral combat music is pretty bad/generic

[muted reef]

I mean some tracks the devs absolutely cooked and seasoned 100% with that...but the more drummy primal sounding stuff does not fit the game at all

[dense nexus]

either something catastrophic happened, which could be an explanation on what happened to the giant containment fences around the island, or they could have just packed up shop before it got bad. They could have foreseen an event

[acoustic osprey]

and most of evrima's tracks are just legacy's right now

just not all of legacys

[muted reef]

All of legacys tracks were good, some of evrimas tracks are good too

[acoustic osprey]

I disagree

[lethal moat]

Could be multiple things

[acoustic osprey]

most of the biggest/more known tracks use classic timpani/"tribal" drums

which acts as a very thematic motif-aspect of the scoring of the old OST

[wicked brook]

Some tracks are straight outta land before time or at least similar enough to trigger nostalgia

[muted reef]

Carnivore and deino hunting or whatever it's called. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs6fNgjYhmW5jT_XRTZOyj4NTD2cR3MJx

Or fight

I dislike those but love some of the creepier more melancholy stuff

[acoustic osprey]

(aka the generic orchestral combat music)

[wicked brook]

I want some metal music in there for bigger/longer fights

[muted reef]

Yep. Although I will say, as I am a percussionist myself it is awesome to hear the variety of instruments in them

[lethal moat]

Apex stuff

Let you know it's about to be a boss fight

[muted reef]

Just turn on some freebird when you get jumped by an omni pack

[wicked brook]

Or the halo soundtrack

[acoustic osprey]

those old ambient tracks were amazing though (on stream recently)
I wrote a paper on ambience + lo-fi + musique d'ameublement music

really works for stationary/slow gameplay with isle

[muted reef]

Which ones

[acoustic osprey]

the ones on stream recently

[lethal moat]

Republic Commando Music for when you're within 500 m of an apex fight

[acoustic osprey]

as cool as it is
I don't really believe it fits in

[wicked brook]

Why? The Dino’s are living in modern times

No reason the music has to be all ‘primitive’ that just a trope for Dino games at this point

[lethal moat]

Something like Trans-Siberian Orchestra's style could be fun for fights with larger animals

[wicked brook]

Hmm

[lethal moat]

Ignore their Christmas stuff

Timestamp https://youtu.be/WRjFGnGzZHw?list=OLAK5uy_mvERVzN41YBNSXCDnd6SY-aT4RHz8ztk4&t=78

[dense nexus]

Music should be children’s rhymes when juvies fight and you can’t disagree with me

[lethal moat]

I forgot that one was a rework of Hall of the Mountain King

[wicked brook]

😂I love this idea

[lethal moat]

I would not mind electric guitar in the isle's soundtrack at all, especially in more industrial areas

[wicked brook]

Well I’m gonna sleep, GN!

[lethal moat]

Peace out

[dense nexus]

so will GUTS have human structures within it? or things built into the walls that are enterable by gen 2s

[lethal moat]

Probably yes

[dense nexus]

I can imagine it being a pretty dangerous run.

[lethal moat]

Probably

I look forward to exploring the various human structures

[dense nexus]

I want to know how big the crabs are.

[lethal moat]

Karkinos 🦀

[acoustic osprey]

there's a few reasons.
It's mostly just anti-thematic and would feels extremely juxtaposing on a sound design-level

albeit, from a music standpoint, it would be interesting and unique to have juxtaposing musical themes
going in with Halo-esque hard rock is something that would still feel very out of the blue and disorientating
It's mostly why the combat music is pretty disliked through the community - not only does it just not fit, dynamically in-game, but it matches with no previously established musical motifs
Sure they're both "orchestral" to an extent, but the combat music is far more "modern big band orchestral"
where Isle is far more slow mid to small ensemble + plus light grand piano

I wouldn't say a lot of Isle's OST is pretty primitive - besides a few tracks (and some of the "tribal" labled tracks)
but it's a far more nice smooth 'light' orchestral indie vibe with is far more fitting than more movie made like the combat music

As cool as it is
the isle's general artstyle doesn't really match the loud and disorted sound of rock
if anything - I could imagine mid-20thC Soviet (if you especially link the older OST with the recent brutalism vibe)

if they could get a fusion work between that more ambient orchestral vibe
with rock

I'd be down

[dense nexus]

Well would they just be death for anything?

[lethal moat]

There's probably a size where you're safer than others

[dense nexus]

because obviously there is going to be an ocean ecosystem where it wouldn’t make sense to have an instant death factor

[lethal moat]

There could be some variation between small and biggest

[dense nexus]

maybe it would be pretty cool if they are there if you go too deep and stray away or something, and you’d see the biggest when it’s too late and you’ve gone too far, like a natural barrier. Kinda like saurians mosasaur

[lethal moat]

Would be cool

[dense nexus]

and you’d see the smaller ones closer to the shore

[acoustic osprey]

If anything though
I could imagine a more "juxtaposing" trackset for something more important

like being in Tartarus
rather than fighting an apex (maybe fighting a strain could be unique? Maybe)

[dense nexus]

maybe after a bit of swimming the deep empty ocean floor stops being so empty

[lethal moat]

Matriarch being very warped and unnatural would be neat

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[lethal moat]

https://youtu.be/Upo9w8-PThI

I like this

[lethal moat]

Why is drone quetz necessary, what is to gain from it, other than potentially testing cybernetics

Use it to sneak into a rival company and steal their quetz in operation inferno

[tall jay]

what u see?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/yep-derp-what-puppet-yip-gif-11384849

[alpine lynx]

is this from the legacy booting video?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

iirc, it's one of the Vega art strains

[alpine lynx]

yeah its a hyper utah

i wonder what other things we have in the booting section

[bleak flint]

its because all the dinos are actually robots

but the robo quetz got exposed and revealed as a robot

[tall jay]

is that utach?

[acoustic osprey]

rex

[tall jay]

same rex? or magna?

[acoustic osprey]

Neuro Rex

[tall jay]

thanks

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

I can see if i can and find the original artwork for you

[tall jay]

thx

[valid furnace]

Do NOT I repeat do NOT look at this picture in the dark right after you wake up

[acoustic osprey]

LOL

[hexed forge]

Lol

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-woo-yeah-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-woo-time-woo-time-bunny-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-bunny-gif-8457484959688895098

[low scarab]

Why has this gif just been everyone’s favorite all of a sudden

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[gusty fern]

never knew that was neuro rex, thought it was just normal

[acoustic osprey]

fair lol

[hexed forge]

I want some docktah lore with the docks.

Oh Isaac you streamed while I was asleep

[dawn arch]

L O R E

[hexed forge]

yes

[dawn arch]

i have an theory the dinos not are not nested are made by humans and then shiped to the isle gateway and are being tracked i think they said something about this before but idk

[hexed forge]

Its both.

[dawn arch]

yay

[hexed forge]

Dinosaurs are lab made yes, made by the replicator. They then get sent out to x facility/island.

In some facilities/islands dinosaurs have the freewill to nest.

Your theory is pretty much a quick summary of the Diablo Injection video

Have you seen the Diablo Injection video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OzCCQISKtQ

[dawn arch]

i think need to re watch

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1229174325744242758/Diabloceratops_Migration_Data_Short_Gif.gif?ex=66cc440c&is=66caf28c&hm=04b0fe279e52602582998d9fb1d20118ce5622422bec2f65fb6ec0a760735517&

[sharp agate]

what should i draw chat

wrong channel

[lethal moat]

Matriarch fanart

[hexed forge]

Ceratosaurus pack mauling an allo

[muted reef]

Can I recruit that guy

Eh whatever what do you guys think tisso could look like now?

[lethal moat]

Either spiked like tapwing’s art, or smooth like snake scales and iridescent

[muted reef]

Ooh a snake design would be sick

Make them feel slithery, fast, resistant

Or it could be something we can't comprehend lmao

[lethal moat]

I’d love for the isle to mess with infohazards, potentially even cognitohazards, because of the funkiness of EIPs

“You know ||blank||? That’s rough buddy, you’re worse off for knowing that, shouldn’t have stuck your nose where it didn’t belong.”

[muted reef]

Huh

[lethal moat]

Infohazards are what they sound like, information that is dangerous to know to use
Cognito hazards are things that harm you just by knowing it, sort of like seeing the true form of a god in Greek Mythos

[muted reef]

What about greek mythos

[lethal moat]

?

[muted reef]

Whats bad about seeing true form of god

[lethal moat]

You sort of spontaneously combusted

[muted reef]

Like Bird Box kinda?

[strange shell]

Also true for biblically-accurate angels

Doesn't burn you down tho, just drives you mad

[lethal moat]

Kinda

[hexed forge]

Matriarch could be an infohazard

[lethal moat]

How so?

[hexed forge]

Wait no its not an infohazard.

Its more of a Cognito hazard maybe?

[lethal moat]

Nope

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Either AE or the Matriarch itself if the hazard, not the knowledge

Examples of info hazards are a position you can move your hand to tear tendons in your wrist, or the position you can use to tie yourself to a pole using your own limbs

You need nothing but yourself and the information

[hexed forge]

Mmmm, I see

[lethal moat]

Cognitohazards are dangerous by themselves existing

[hexed forge]

The Matriarch kind of fits that tho

[lethal moat]

Realizing you’re an EIP rather than the original, could potentially be an cognitohazard if you don’t take it well

[lethal moat]

It’s not dangerous to you to know that the matriarch exists

I’ll post a video that explains it better in lorecord

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmm, ok 👍

[fast forge]

I never really thought of the distinction between cognitohazard and infohazard

I suppose an infohazard is information that is hazardous to possess

Where a cognitohazard is information that is hazardous to understand

[lethal moat]

Yes

[fast forge]

do these actually exist in the isle universe?

I thought it was just scp

[lethal moat]

I'm hoping there's something in the isle

The scientists in that division are the most sleep deprived lol

[muted reef]

Guys...which island is THE Isle?

[fast forge]

tbh I don't think it's gateway

[lethal moat]

The real Isle was the friends we made on the way

[muted reef]

Which is the DEFINITIVE ONE?

[muted reef]

The human and teno friendship

[muted reef]

How so

I doubt it's the hunting one either

[lethal moat]

Depends on what "the end goal" is, and which one is closest to that goal/contributes the most

[muted reef]

Of the 2 islands we know I think neither of them are it

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

?

[muted reef]

Which is "The Isle"

[lethal moat]

The main island

Maybe Olympus

[hexed forge]

Ah

[muted reef]

The final boss of gameplay

[hexed forge]

Site12/Olympus is my guess

[muted reef]

Is olympus an island?

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

I still believe that Site12 is Olympus.

A theory.

[muted reef]

Which is Site 12

[hexed forge]

An island

[muted reef]

It's not the hunting one right

[hexed forge]

No

[muted reef]

Ok so that's 3 that we know of...doubt it's the hunting reserve or gateway

[lethal moat]

Site 12 is from Legacy

[hexed forge]

Site 12 is legacy

But it probably will come back

[muted reef]

What the Heaven bruh

I honestly like the idea of one island but yeah that is not what the lore is

[hexed forge]

In legacy Site 12 was Olympus iirc.

So if Olympus exists in evrima lore...

Fair possibility of site12 existing.

Thats one piece of evidence ^

[lethal moat]

Olympus could be in the middle of a city for all we know
A facility could be a building

[hexed forge]

The second piece of evidence is the identification code thingy on the dinosaurs being

S-12

12 possibly being the location(Site 12). S being the lineage.

[muted reef]

I want a modded city map that'd be sick

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-family-guy-perhaps-maybe-gif-16249623

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 everywhere

[muted reef]

Quiet place 3

[lethal moat]

Clear out the infestation

L4D2

Get rid of all of them and eliminate the source, could be a fun custom map/gamemode

[muted reef]

How much of the quiet place world is quiet like is it only north america

I'd imagine antarctica is pretty safe

[lethal moat]

Sound travels farther in cold air

[muted reef]

How many are willing to swim there

[lethal moat]

They can't swim

[hexed forge]

Can gen1 even swim?

[muted reef]

Exactly

[muted reef]

We talking about quiet place

[hexed forge]

Oh

[muted reef]

How many landed there

[lethal moat]

Shanghai also got got

[lethal moat]

I think aquatic gen 1 would be sick

[hexed forge]

Would be interesting if Gen1 cant swim.

[muted reef]

Mutations for gen 1 that change you visibly but also function! (webbed feet, longer nails, brighter eyes)

[hexed forge]

Yes

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tighten-megamind-yes-funny-pointing-gif-15740657

[hexed forge]

Sort of like a better mutation system, something that makes them different from dinosaurs.

[muted reef]

I really want to know the weaknesses of the more monstrous creatures (strains, gen 1, eyeless, trinity, other stuff we don't know about, etc)

I mean we got Hyper with the hunger...but what about the other 2

[lethal moat]

I want to know anything about those

[muted reef]

[lethal moat]

Particularly the matriarch

[muted reef]

I mean what could tisso or neuros weakness be? Neuro could just be frail or difficult to survive in the sun

[lethal moat]

Tisso could be stinky

[muted reef]

Low likelyhood of making it to adult

[muted reef]

I've liked that idea of rotten beacon for a while but it seems like it doesn't fit it...

[lethal moat]

If you take damage, you can regrow cells, but you don't replace the dead ones, they just sit there and rot

[muted reef]

Rip em off

I hope that tisso is like nigh invulnerable to everything but the head

[lethal moat]

If they're smaller, I want the ways to kill them to be
A) drowning
B) Fire
C) Smallow them whole

[muted reef]

The question is if they do get hit...do they have enough durability to withstand it?

[lethal moat]

If you can limp away, you could be fine

[nimble fractal]

Tisso compy

[muted reef]

Do they get like 3 shotted by most of the roster (rendering them able to use their healing) or do they get one shotted (rendering their healing useless)

[lethal moat]

Something like that is just a conjecture based on a total of 1 piece of information lol

[muted reef]

Guessings all we got

I honestly would like the idea of Tisso just not affecting their size at all

[lethal moat]

Slippery sneaky fellas that stank

[muted reef]

Wavepoole said hypers should stink

[lethal moat]

Wavepoole stinks

[muted reef]

✅

I just like solo'd half of an omni pack

Killed them all before they had the chance to pin me

What was dons quote on tissos healing?

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[muted reef]

Okay it isn't limited to just limbs nice

Hope that means everything heals real fast

[muted reef]

Would be funny if while you were eating it you just see it's open stomach just close up and a bunch of flesh regrow and then your meal makes you a meal lmao (but thats poor balancing)

[lethal moat]

Tisso is perfect diet, it's the friendly strain that just wants to be left alone

[muted reef]

Hypers need the smoke

Neuros...manipulate the smoke in their favor

[lethal moat]

Tisso hides in the smoke

[muted reef]

Yes

Deadpool and wolverine really did make me absolutely hyped for tisso gameplay (or the wolverine game coming up could satisfy me enough)

[hexed forge]

Still havent watched that movie. Is it worth it?

[muted reef]

It was so funny and epic

[hexed forge]

Mmmm, seems like worth a watch.

[muted reef]

budyoogangallmedegambid

[hexed forge]

Dean

[muted reef]

Blind!

Who's the class clown of lorecord

[low scarab]

You guys think we will get to see the replicator in game at some point

[lethal moat]

Parts of it maybe

[muted reef]

Spawn menu

Actually I wonder what thats gonna look like with the new UI

Or what the profile screen and dinosaur stats are gonna look like

[low scarab]

Be cool if instead of a black screen or under the map when loading in we had something along the lines of replication in progress or something

[muted reef]

Or various images popping in and out like in legacy

[hexed forge]

Maybe in one eye

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[muted reef]

Dos

[hexed forge]

Doubt it's blind in both eyes...

[hexed forge]

The Replicator isn't on gateway iirc.

[muted reef]

Dos

[valid geyser]

trois

[lethal moat]

We likely won't see a physical manisfestation of it in game, but that doesn't mean we won't see part of it's systems

[valid geyser]

It’d be sick if the first time you spawned as a dinosaur, it gave you a little summary of its abilities and such, text or audio
Like a computer reading out things a dinosaur can do

(That example would be text.)

[lethal moat]

I imagine that could get old quickly

[valid geyser]

The first time

Not every time

[hexed forge]

Ah

[hexed forge]

When selecting a dinosaur click the (?) For the information.

That's how it was in legacy

[valid geyser]

I feeeeel as though my idea is being misunderstoooood…

[hexed forge]

Or just make a button called "species overview"

Smthn like that

[hexed forge]

Nuh uh

[muted reef]

For the paper things

The sheets

[hexed forge]

[muted reef]

These #isle-phase-three message

Also what consciousness is in the wild born animals?

[lethal moat]

Animal I would assume

[muted reef]

A human with an animalistic kid would be wild

[hexed forge]

Nah

[lethal moat]

Most children aren't born with full adult conciousness

[hexed forge]

A virtual overview, not an actual paper.

[muted reef]

No reason for it to not be so yes

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[muted reef]

My idea better

[hexed forge]

Theory:

GW_H4 follows the weird grid that GW_F5 follows.

[muted reef]

Whats the weird grid

[hexed forge]

We don't know.

It's a different grid from the grid that we already saw

[lethal moat]

I think that's probably right

[bold crater]

I'm not super into the lore but I'm tryin' to be....so I noticed this gateway (omg the map woah).
It's SUPER rusted, but compared to the other buildings it seems more old than the rest. Just found it interesting is all.

[lethal moat]

Could be

[low scarab]

maybe it definitely is more rusted

[lethal moat]

I've been thinking about how much AE controls water on gateway (there are a lot of Dams and that majorly changes the landscape) That area could be a spillway or something for overflowing water

[bold crater]

I still hope for a reason to go down into the sewers as a human, like reactivating water pumps or somethin'

[lethal moat]

Jermey got dragged down there and he had our only gun

[bold crater]

God damnit, Jeremy.
That's 100% gonna happen with important loot, same with vehicles.

Get rare Jeep
See Omni nest
temptation wins
Lose rare Jeep
Squad angry

-# it would be me in this situation

[lethal moat]

Hey guys, look what I found!
KAPOW
"Now all of China know you're here."

[bold crater]

🔥

[hexed forge]

Always blame Jeremy

[muted reef]

Honestly would be nice if the way humans get their food/water is from bases. Food packs and faucets. Which would be why they'd go into the sewers or go explore to fix pumps/get plants

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[hexed forge]

Yea

[bold crater]

I actually found a bunch of big water containers in a base the other night!

[lethal moat]

AE class water

[bold crater]

Yep!

Also found this. No clue if it'll actually be usable, but hey, it's neat

[hexed forge]

Water made by AE only

Drink only that

[hexed forge]

Maybe not

[bold crater]

They put something in it t-to make you forget....

[bold crater]

I could see it maybe being used in fuel?....if fuel can work that way lmao.
Or medical reasons. Disinfect wounds.

[hexed forge]

An omniraptor ate all your friends? Whaaatt

I'm pretty sure there wasn't even anyone or anything there at that time..

[bold crater]

😵‍💫

[hexed forge]

Also

Theory time.

AUGUSTUS and the Dibble injection take place after Gateway was abandoned.

Or atleast only AUGUSTUS was..

[bold crater]

If they're continuing work on the island despite not being there, that makes me wonder....
how? 😮

[hexed forge]

Gen2 perhaps

Would love for gen2 to get tasks constantly while playing. From our small tablets.

-Set up a Tcam in H7
-Fix x building.

[lethal moat]

Yes please

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[bold crater]

True, very true. Fits with John Cake (my beloved) fixing the camera later on in the Diablo trail cam video.
Also fits with the talks about a passive "documentation" playstyle or whatever term Don used for Gen 2.

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[bold crater]

Like poor Craig (he is Craig now because) in the Ava concept trying to take pictures of Avas

[lethal moat]

Yup

[hexed forge]

Legend says that Craig is now the leader of the Avas

[bold crater]

[hexed forge]

And for completing the tasks...

Dinobux

AE credits

[muted reef]

WEAPONS

[hexed forge]

No

[muted reef]

ALL OF THE GUNS

[hexed forge]

No

[muted reef]

Yes

[bold crater]

Gotta head down to a Thing ™️ that gives you Stuff ™️ after you insert yer AE Credits yep.

[lethal moat]

Yep

[muted reef]

Yes

[hexed forge]

Or

In your next gen2 life you start out with more stuff.

[bold crater]

E l d e r G e n 2

[hexed forge]

Not exactly that

[bold crater]

[alpine lynx]

gen3 when

[muted reef]

beefed up john cake

[hexed forge]

On the selection screen you can spend AE credits on items or weapons that you could spawn in with.

Sounds like a nice idea

Also how do Gen2 get on the island?

Airdropped from a plane? Boat? Washed up on the shore?

Being airdropped from a plane is Hella fun

[alpine lynx]

helicopters i guess, we got alot of heli pads

or just spawn in the bases

[hexed forge]

Ehhhh

[bold crater]

I recall Don once mentioning the idea of it being like the movie Predators
Just wake up mid fall and gotta open your parachute.

[lethal moat]

I'd like a little dingy in the ocean

[hexed forge]

I LOVE THAT

[muted reef]

Airdropping them just like the gen 1's

[hexed forge]

Give.

[alpine lynx]

gen1's should spawn around like dinosaurs

[hexed forge]

Gateway oceans are infested with giant crustaceans tho iirc.

Sooo, maybe not a great idea.

[muted reef]

We're talking in lore

[alpine lynx]

same with the gen2's in my opinion

[hexed forge]

What's the fun in that

[muted reef]

Imagine watching the gen 2's falling from the sky and a bunch of omnis just camp em lmao

[alpine lynx]

you wake up in the base, having no idea

AE gives you information

[hexed forge]

Ehh

Not a good idea to leave your gen2s unconscious in a base on a dinosaur infested island.

[alpine lynx]

maybe lol

id love to see a new lore video this year

shirley maybe?

[hexed forge]

On halloween

[alpine lynx]

shirley getting slammed by a hyper

[muted reef]

Shirley slamming AS a hyper

[hexed forge]

Ehhh

[muted reef]

Plot twist in the old isle trailer Dean was the rex at the end that killed the trike (he got his impedement from it) and shirley did the hyper roar bullying him off the food at the end

It's genius loring

https://youtu.be/sGp880IVevQ

[hexed forge]

Up until you find out thats a fan made trailer

[muted reef]

On the isles main channel?

[hexed forge]

Yes.

[muted reef]

well they still used it

So it's lor

[hexed forge]

There was a contest, that trailer won.

[muted reef]

So they used it and it's dean and shirley at the end

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

So.

A human would stand 0% chance against a gen1.

(Just restating new information to spark a conversation)

[muted reef]

Bare handed

Which is 100% fair like a 5,9 dude attacking a regular 7,0 dude in real life would go horribly

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-wrestling-take-down-wrestle-animal-stewart-raffill-gif-23873380

[hexed forge]

I could just see the gen1 smack the human with 1 swing and the human would get flung and die lol

https://tenor.com/view/powerslap-slap-ko-knockout-slap-huge-slap-big-slap-gif-7471918422486227772

[muted reef]

Cracked neck

Although I imagine a crowbar to the ribs or head of a gen 1 aint gonna be that great

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/agreed-pirates-of-the-carribean-gif-15127372

[dense nexus]

gen 1s are around 7ft right?

[lethal moat]

There's a size comparison

[dense nexus]

probably unnaturally powerful

[acoustic osprey]

mmhmm

[lethal moat]

Well unnaturally powerful and strong because long limbs aren't the same

[dense nexus]

are we 1 shotting gen 1s with rifles

[hexed forge]

If that's a comparison to gen2. Gen2 are 5'9 iirc. So probably almost 7 feet

[lethal moat]

Probably doesn't feel good

[hexed forge]

Don't hurt me no more

[acoustic osprey]

^

[dense nexus]

give us humans in 2026? 🙏🏼

[acoustic osprey]

💪 maybe even next year

[dense nexus]

pushing it at that one

[acoustic osprey]

Kissen did say they would start work on humans once the update dropped

so... there is a possibility

would be a PERFECT 10 year anniversary drop

[dense nexus]

humans are already in the game!!!

[acoustic osprey]

true.....

[dense nexus]

they can shoot

[hexed forge]

Which update?

[dense nexus]

give us FUNCTIONING humans with looting and rebuilding 🙏🏼

by 2026

[acoustic osprey]

the recent one

[hexed forge]

Dibble? I see

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[dense nexus]

silenced weapons would drastically decrease the amount of sound travel and make gen 2 violence less likely to attract unwanted attention

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[lethal moat]

Less sound doesn't mean no sound, that is important to remember

[dense nexus]

Hence why I said reduce the sound travelling as far, not that it would be silent in the immediate area

[hexed forge]

GUTS...

[snow jasper]

No!

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-antony-apple-gif-23678919

[dense nexus]

GUTS enters the chat

[lethal moat]

If you type "non-eucledian" into the gif thing, there's actually an isle thing in there

[dense nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-evrima-the-isle-boxtrolls-hunt-showdown-spider-gif-13622848292219270278

[snow jasper]

uhm

[dawn arch]

T-T

[fast shard]

I just learned a lot about The Isle lore

And I wish to pass it down to y'all

https://tenor.com/view/pass-the-lore-lore-nav-xo-taytay-gif-25554546

[hexed forge]

Thank you.

[hexed forge]

What if I test you!

Name all the known named assets.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rowley-frank-heffley-diary-of-a-wimpy-kid-laser-eyes-laser-gif-11067963769055958310

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rango-hat-tip-tip-hat-tip-of-the-hat-cartoon-gif-26464084

Why is the gif widescreen lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Tartarus being underground could also likely helps against satellite surveillance

[hexed forge]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Imagine seeing a rex on google maps lol

[hexed forge]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

the matriarch on google maps

[lethal moat]

That’s a weird looking submarine

[median shuttle]

I bet AE has got some technology or maybe legal protection against satelite imagery of their compounds

[acoustic osprey]

a lot of higher res satellite imagery is done via airplanes

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sr71-gif-20793480

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/wolverine-punching-take-that-gif-14156416

same plane

[lethal moat]

Good ol SR-71

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sr71-gif-21318293

[hexed forge]

I want someone to mod in the F22 raptor

[lethal moat]

Why

[hexed forge]

Why not

[lethal moat]

It’s way over engineered for what the island needs

Give it a Sky Warden

[hexed forge]

Hell yeah

[median shuttle]

A10 Gunship mod

[lethal moat]

Hyper cannon ~ grenade launcher with chemical weapons 🤞

[hexed forge]

Lol

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-russian-badger-fire-a-warning-shot-m32grenade-launcher-m32rotary-grenade-launcher-gif-22095991

[muted reef]

Ain't gonna do nothing to tisso 🗣️

[lethal moat]

You can try tho

[muted reef]

Tisso'll need an inhaler for a bit

[acoustic osprey]

Something just with AUGUSTUS video
we know that the live section is live
just because we know that the video duration of the "AVI" video was 2:16 minutes long
and when you match it up from the timestamps (0:57 to 3:13) you get 2:16 minutes

Just something interesting

I tried doing it with the Dibble video
It was just a little over (started from after the intro starts* and just before the ending)

which was weird

you'd have to take into account the slide shows for the Diablo video as well, no?
So it'd, technically, be even longer

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

and that's excluding/not including the (b) video - which I'm not counting as originally part of the AVI video, as that "media" would've came from the recovery of the source material and not the file recovery of the original video from ARCHIVE (7)

under the assumption that this would still be canon (from the video description)

. . . . //

isle ███. File retrieved from ARCHIVE (7). Recovery operations for source material is ongoing.

and

. . . . //

█ Usgx-9921-c578 (B) isle ███. Recovery operations for source material complete. File archived.

only issue is that we know there is "slide" information in the ending glitches

[muted reef]

When do Augustus and Diablo/Allo vids take place

[hexed forge]

My theory is that it takes place after the island was abondoned.

The human that we see in the dibble video possibly is a gen2.

[muted reef]

Why wouldn't it be

[acoustic osprey]

is there something we're missing?
Why is the original footage longer than it says it is?
Why does (B) have slides from the original AVI video? - because if they were from the same AVI video, it would be WAY too long

[acoustic osprey]

we can't really say for sure

We know the current Human model is actually "OldHuman"
so the model may not actually be the best representation for the video

[muted reef]

Hm

[acoustic osprey]

and, also, we don't even know the timeline with Gen2s yet ...

[hexed forge]

A theory!

In AUGUSTUS it could explain why H4 was abondoned.

[muted reef]

Does this mean they're gonna make John Cake unplayable when Gen 2 releases!1!!!

[acoustic osprey]

It may be why
and why it was accessed remotely
rather than physically - like how we see with the roadmap bootup

[hexed forge]

Heck, the entire West Access area was said to be a human area.

Why are there dinosaurs there?

Would make sense for the island to be abondoned at that time.

[hexed forge]

Yep!

[acoustic osprey]

depends
we don't know how free-range these dinosaurs are

I mean
we do but don't

we see how free range they are in the dibble video
but still
when does that take place

[hexed forge]

After island was abandoned is my guess.

It supports my idea of Gen2 being given constant tasks by AE on their tablets.

-Place a camera in GW_H9
-Fix x building
Etc.

Earn AE credits in return

Able to spend those on the selection screen for items/weapons that you could spawn in with.

[acoustic osprey]

but that would mean AE haven't really abandoned Gateway/the islands

how they updated the plants, shown in the Dibble video

[muted reef]

Why would they completely trash gateway

[acoustic osprey]

also with the 'injection site'

[hexed forge]

Oh true.

[muted reef]

I thought we knew that they still were looking around at it

[acoustic osprey]

i don't think they trashed gateway
not that it is trashed

besides the fences, honestly

[hexed forge]

Maybe Gateway being abondoned is an entire operation.

To see what happens if you abandon an island with a specific ecosystem. The effects.

[muted reef]

I wonder what the canon roster of animals on gateway is. For all we know it could be only dinosaurs (but I'm guessing gen 2 is there too)

[hexed forge]

They are constantly monitoring the island via Gen2s ofc

[acoustic osprey]

a lot of money to be left there

especially with buildings, tech... you'd assume they'd do so on a more unregulated island?

/ island with a limited amount of destructible assets like buildings and tech

[hexed forge]

So far its

Herrera
Troodon
Dilo
Rex
Dibble
Allo

I think thats it?

[acoustic osprey]

Dryo

[muted reef]

My bad I meant out of Gen 2, Gen 1, Humans, and Dinos

[hexed forge]

Ah yeah, dryo too

[acoustic osprey]

definitely Dinos
Potentially Gen2s
maybe not 1s?

[hexed forge]

Gen2s is likely

[muted reef]

I mean if we go off of the videos then it probably is gen 2's. Which means there wouldn't be any gen 1's on the island

There really isn't a point to them being there

[acoustic osprey]

and by the time they work on Gen1s (finish them)
they'll likely have another map(s) for them

[acoustic osprey]

whom?

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[hexed forge]

Gen1s

[muted reef]

Gen 1

Genuinely why would Gen 1 be there

[acoustic osprey]

still

we have to note
the timeline of the dibble video placement is weird

we see them actively doing stuff, on the island.
So was this a Gen2 or normal human? Were Gen2s just used as, like Gen1s, "slaves" of a system?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
that's assuming we 'know' what Gen1s do

[muted reef]

Either theres no gen 1 or actual humans on the island

[hexed forge]

We do

Retaliatory product/weapon

Thats one of its uses I guess.

[acoustic osprey]

that's a use of them

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

but why have Gen1s at any island at all then?

[muted reef]

Hunting island maybe

[acoustic osprey]

why not just keep them in a military camp (or akin to)

[muted reef]

I wonder if we'll get to play actual humans or see them at least

[acoustic osprey]

more than likely no

[hexed forge]

Site 12 could be the "Mass producing" facility tbh

So thats a potential location of gen1s

Especially since AUGUSTUS, Shirley, etc. Mightve came from Site 12

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah
it seems like whatever that area is

the bottom comments about "talking to them" sounds like it could be Gen1s a lot more now

[muted reef]

Ok so we can confirm theres dinos on gateway (duh), and the likely hood of gen 2 is really high...and we know there can't be Gen 1/2 Dinos and Humans, so either theres 1. Dinos and Gen 2, 2. Dinos, Gen 2, and Gen 1, or 3. Dinos, Gen 2, and Humans

[hexed forge]

Yeah!

[muted reef]

There can only be 3 max of the 4 factions

[acoustic osprey]

it is to note though:

There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story. It does not exist. It has not happened. If it does happen, I've certainly have no written it yet

[muted reef]

Is that not what I mentioned?

[acoustic osprey]

that Gen1s and 2s can exist together
just that it can't be functional humans added to that (assuming dinos already there as well)

we just don't know the full extent of whom are where

It COULD be that ONLY Gen2s worked on Gateway (no 'normal' humans)
hence the Dibble video having the human while also showing them doing stuff to the island

[muted reef]

Yeah thats what I'd said. Of the 4 factions, we have (basically) two confirmed and that would be dinos and gen 2. For all we know that could be the only 2 present on gateway of the factions, or there could be gen 1 or regular humans, but not both of those two

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[muted reef]

Honestly both Gen 1 and functional humans make no sense on gateway. There is no need to use regular humans there as the island is clearly not used the way it was in the past (so just have the gen 2 do the dirty work), and off what we know of gen 1's purpose...it seems pointless to have them there (atleast off what we know)

[hexed forge]

I dont see AE making an island where Gen1s are allowed to roam freely. Probably are kept in 1 large facility.

[acoustic osprey]

(or in a fenced perimeter/enclosed facility)

[hexed forge]

Yes

[muted reef]

perimeter!?

[hexed forge]

Well n-ye

You keep editing the damn msg!

[acoustic osprey]

heck, for all we know, The Atrium could be the housing of Gen1s

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

we know they send creatures to be tested on Gateway for whatever reason
looking at the dibble video

[hexed forge]

Now is it Atrium A, B, or C

[muted reef]

I'm guessing A

[acoustic osprey]

*so what's stopping them testing the viability of living for a Gen1 in a relatively controlled environment? *

[hexed forge]

Or A, B, C just doesnt exist

[acoustic osprey]

from Don
Just The

the numbered system was more a reference to PC

so we likely might not go that (naming) route

[hexed forge]

Fair

[muted reef]

I really want a name for all of the domes

Idc if it's atrium x letter I just want an official name

[acoustic osprey]

naming like that (Atrium B/C) is a bit basic honestly

[hexed forge]

THE Atrium

[muted reef]

THE Isle

[acoustic osprey]

give them all unique names
even some referring to mythos

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
The Atrium is clearly a roman-aspect

(looking at Augustus as well)

[muted reef]

Wait now that theres 3...you thinking what I'm thinking?

[hexed forge]

no

[muted reef]

TRINITY

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[hexed forge]

no

[muted reef]

Incorrect I am superior in loring

[hexed forge]

Someone post the melon cat

[muted reef]

One big one for the fattest hyper, and 2 little ones for the basic strains

[hexed forge]

Doubt

[muted reef]

[hexed forge]

The domes (Smaller ones) will contain different biomes.

Probably for testing purposes, not strains really.

Desert biome please.

[muted reef]

Redwoods in Atrium Perimeter please

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523282321303142400/1209905095433650186/melon.gif

[hexed forge]

NOT ON ME NOOO

[acoustic osprey]

I still believe we're getting them there

[muted reef]

Same

[hexed forge]

Don hinted towards the redwoods going in there, so yeah.

[acoustic osprey]

NO

[muted reef]

I originally thought the entire domes were gonna be just hallways and buildings

[muted reef]

How much of them are gonna be buildings

[lethal moat]

Don't waste valuble space

[muted reef]

In the concept art a decent amount of it is

[hexed forge]

What concept art?

There is no dome concept art iirc.

[lethal moat]

Likely this: #1085583414704472185 message
But showing what the room looks like in a concept art is understandable

[muted reef]

Devbogs

[muted reef]

Where tf is that link

[lethal moat]

Run's archive

[muted reef]

O

[hexed forge]

Ah thats probably just the insides of the walls tbh. Not inside the dome.

[muted reef]

Let me find the images

[lethal moat]

Same same

[muted reef]

So the walls will be hollow with buildings and there'll be an opening to the dome then

Alright cant find them

[hexed forge]

Join Runs archive server

The link is in lorecord

[muted reef]

Wher

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
This is the only proper interior artwork we have right now of them (iirc The Atrium)

[muted reef]

Thats the stuff I was talking about

[lethal moat]

I like to view the Atrium as an Amphitheater

A viewing area, not intended to be a permanent home for most things

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[lethal moat]

A testing grounds, before it reaches the larger ecosystem

[fast forge]

I wonder if they were the first containment areas
During early testing maybe, with few animals
Fences and such could be a later addition, and the domes retained some experimental use as contained ecosystems

[hexed forge]

The dibble that "Entered" perimeter...

What are the chances of that dibble actually being captured for some experiments, maybe the dibble got captured for some medical reasons. Who knows.

Unless of course dinosaurs are allowed to leave and enter perimeter freely...

[fast forge]

wasn't there a tunnel near there on Dondi's map?

[hexed forge]

Yes,

Gonna grab the screenshot rq.

[hexed forge]

Could not find it, but the general area is right under the South dome(Which no longer exists)

But there is also an access tunnel in south plains towards Atrium.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-7216369967890951085

The location of where the dibble enters is right on the access tunnels

[fast forge]

or at least it passes through that spot

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[fast forge]

In theory it's possible the dibble passed through there and then got into the dome some other way
But I think the tunnel is more likely

F05

probably just a glitch

[hexed forge]

Yeah, probably is a glitch.

I swear if the Halloween lore video drops another weird Grid location..

[fast forge]

that seems likely

[hexed forge]

(Unless theres an actual explanation to what that grid is!!)

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-gif-14664723

[lethal moat]

How good are AE's lawyers? I imagine using the loophole of "they aren't human, so we are actually allowed to do genetic modification on them" would be either top secret or extremely high profile case

[median shuttle]

AE must have some top notch lawyers, maybe their lawyers were made by AE specifically mutated to be the perfect lawyers

[lethal moat]

The last bit seems like a bit of a stretch, but yes

Apollo likely have their own legal division for both Civil and Criminal cases

Potentially for a variaty of legal systems as well

Specifically Apollo, seeing as it is the larger "mother company" and it would likely be more efficient to have one large group of legal employees than many small ones

[median shuttle]

that last bit was also just a joke, I just like to imagine a gen 1 attorney... perhaps thats what dondi means abt airdropping them in enemy territory (the courts)

https://tenor.com/view/work-penguin-lego-create-make-gif-14370027608174902570

[lethal moat]

Your honor, good prosecutor, beautiful people of the Jury, my client Dr.||redacted|| could not have genetically modified Mr.Smith into a compysagnathus due to the fact that he was overseeing the vivisection of an extinct species, I would like to call Dr.||redacted 2|| to the stand as a witness to this alibi

[hexed forge]

Dr. Rumple

Not redacted

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Just going to say some random stuff from the discussion yesterday...

Site 12 potentially is the location that is on the Errant Sheet and Gen1s perhaps were mass produced on Site 12.
Site 12 might've been the island/facility from where AUGUSTUS, Shirley, and Dean came from, theres a decent chance that the island/facility is mainly focused around producing creatures. Hence why Gen1s have a chance of being massproduced there.

And also fits with the errant sheet. (The Gen1s)

[acoustic osprey]

The only thing is
The sheet doesn't make it seem like a whole island
More so a general large facility

Unless it is not in an island

[muted reef]

Do we know site 12 even exists in evrima

[hexed forge]

It possibly exists

One of the blacked out texts on the Errant sheets might say site 12

[muted reef]

I want site 12 to be an actually good version of V3

that one concept version

[fast forge]

could just be this

[hexed forge]

Probably not

[fast forge]

why not?

[fast forge]

I don't know where you got any of this from

[hexed forge]

Oh wait you are serious.

Site 12 was a major thing in Legacy, it was an island. A creation facility iirc.

I doubt it will just get turned into a ranger station in Evrima..

[fast forge]

yeah I don't know legacy stuff

[hexed forge]

Which parts

[fast forge]

any of it

[hexed forge]

Uhhh

[fast forge]

and if it's from legacy, do we know it's canon still?

[hexed forge]

So AUGUSTUS, Dean, and Shirley might have came from Site 12 because of their identification codes. Matches with the 12.

From the S-12

[hexed forge]

No, we do not.

[fast forge]

you are going off the fact that they have 2 digits at the end of the designation?

[hexed forge]

That might be Site 12 yes,

And also one of the blacked out text on the Errant sheet possibly say site 12. Gonna get the screenshot rq.

[fast forge]

that first part, I would not assume it's 12, we really don't know

the blacked out stuff I've seen, but can't really comment on because I don't know how it was done

It could be F5

it could be any two numbers or letters or symbols, some significance we don't know about yet

[hexed forge]

It wouldnt say Site F5 tho, it would say GW_F5

[fast forge]

you are assuming this, but we don't know how they abbreviate

[hexed forge]

Theorizing yes

[fast forge]

do we have a designation where those two digits are known?

[hexed forge]

Wdym?

[fast forge]

Okay backing up slightly

What designation codes do we have for specific individuals?

[hexed forge]

Only "S-12"

For Dean, Shirley, and AUGUSTUS

[hexed forge]

We know Shirley is S-12

[fast forge]

--------------.003 Shirley

[hexed forge]

We know the ----- part!

[fast forge]

I forget where this info comes from

[hexed forge]

Dondi

[fast forge]

ahhhhh

[hexed forge]

Oh its 12-S

Messed up the order a bit, my bad.

[fast forge]

I kept saying "designation" but it seems "ID" is the official term

[hexed forge]

True

12-S being the Location and Lineage iirc. (We dont know which one is which tho)

[fast forge]

did Don say that?

[hexed forge]

Yes

[fast forge]

kk

[hexed forge]

Should we use this as a way to navigate our theories?

Or is this another moment of Don just liking a theory that is far from being correct.

Cough

That one AUGUSTUS theory

[fast forge]

where did the SYNTH part come from? don't think I saw that

guess I haven't been in chat here as much recently....

[hexed forge]

Short in-house name.

Im pretty confident with my theory, just not the SYNTH part I suppose

[fast forge]

ohhhhhhhhh to differentiate between synthetic animals and those born in the wild

[hexed forge]

Is that what its used for? Interesting.

[fast forge]

that's what he's saying in the final part there, yeah

[hexed forge]

So my theory might actually be somewhat correct

Yahoo

[fast forge]

So Site 12 is the factory, and Gateway is a testing location where animals are put into wild habitats

[hexed forge]

Possibly yes

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-its-all-coming-together-gif-12813012

[muted reef]

Imagine getting to roam the factory (if that is even going to be a thing)

[hexed forge]

Creation facility is a bit more accurate than factory I think

[muted reef]

Tomato tomawto

[fast forge]

I still think factory seems more likely, just based on my experience within biology jobs and biotech

[ornate jacinth]

its all aliens, me specifically

[ornate jacinth]

nah, i look more like my pfp

[lethal moat]

I got bored while in queue

[snow jasper]

I know they store dead animals to preserve them but are these containment jar things fictional since I've never seen a living creature stored in them

I always see them used in films and its really smth idk

[lethal moat]

Dondi specifically mentioned an umbilical cord sort of thingy on stream once, so I'm guessing they're alive in some capacity and being supplied what they need via tubes

[snow jasper]

oh but, is this method of preservation used irl

or is it fictional

[lethal moat]

IT can be, yes, for dead things, just entomb it in preservatives

[snow jasper]

guh

[acoustic osprey]

It's practically an ICU

Just less seemingly humane

[snow jasper]

but its a swimming tube thing

[acoustic osprey]

You wouldn't be swimning
You'd be under anestesija

[lethal moat]

If they're in hibernation, they can't really care about the quality

[acoustic osprey]

So they wouldn't care because they can't

[snow jasper]

i'd much prefer that to being wide awake in a bed for a couple months

[acoustic osprey]

You don't have the ability to choose

[lethal moat]

Timeskip

[acoustic osprey]

Plus
We don't know how vats are properly used yet

[snow jasper]

swimming pools

:>

[lethal moat]

I hope living things are put in there to wait out growth stages without the difficulty of maintaining animals

[snow jasper]

if the labs are actually planned and not a thought out ruse by dondi, i'd expect that to come pretty soon after the docks

already got vats so it'd make sense

[acoustic osprey]

I mean the idea of vat Labs have been a thing for years

Just confirmed only a few months back

[snow jasper]

very soon™️

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[snow jasper]

:>

[lethal moat]

We still need to see those

[snow jasper]

nuh uh

i think its safe to say this is them, dont quote me

unless its a teleportation device or a shower cubicle

neither of which seem likely

[iron anchor]

best depiction of a hypo rex of all time

[lethal moat]

Yes, we had first vats

But what about second vats

[acoustic osprey]

Properly...

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/evrima-server-the-isle-anime-computer-gif-23001807

[lethal moat]

If they do grow animals in the vats, I wonder if they transition them from properly sized vats to larger ones, like repotting a plant, or if they toss it in the big one and let it grow into it

[dawn arch]

image that in the isle lol..

[acoustic osprey]

already did!!

[dawn arch]

its a scary looking thing

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

very weak theory
but I had a funny little thought after reading a bit of Percy Jackson about Tartarus- how they describe the colours of different places in Hades

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137697645727866/IMG_6815.png?ex=66cfd50a&is=66ce838a&hm=848ce4602ca6e3284d9a8cef6cd17183b995f5360a3cdb1ba1a83fecf0421a9b&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137698316824686/IMG_6826.png?ex=66cfd50a&is=66ce838a&hm=24fba76c37492aa26d2949ea36e83ba67f97b345f5d4388c4abd26735b7a8c9f&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137699226976316/IMG_6623.png?ex=66cfd50a&is=66ce838a&hm=11840678dbe5b4ef4a8e7d7f84326814155e478b4e41e051c3fa6894c83460c7&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137700095209532/IMG_6551.png?ex=66cfd50b&is=66ce838b&hm=8f599fca6412206f6170bb8b92706fd5bdd0db471ffdcc1686d0f48126d9bd2a&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137700707569665/IMG_6624.png?ex=66cfd50b&is=66ce838b&hm=96616941b9b5be7ae9112748938683c3389a1f707483905297997bfd63a00558&

[dawn arch]

PERCY JACKSON?!!?!?!?!?!?!?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
specifically Heros of Olympus

[dawn arch]

cool book series

wait the isle is the underworld :0

[acoustic osprey]

not saying "RED IS IN TARTARUS"
but I wonder the more "red/darker coloured" the location is
the more deeper you get in The Atrium - assuming this is The Atrium/or akin

practically colour coded "sections"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137700707569665/IMG_6624.png?ex=66cfd50b&is=66ce838b&hm=96616941b9b5be7ae9112748938683c3389a1f707483905297997bfd63a00558&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137699226976316/IMG_6623.png?ex=66cfd50a&is=66ce838a&hm=11840678dbe5b4ef4a8e7d7f84326814155e478b4e41e051c3fa6894c83460c7&

these are lighter green
with a balcony looking at "greenery/tree tops"

[dawn arch]

oooo i like where this is going

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137700095209532/IMG_6551.png?ex=66cfd50b&is=66ce838b&hm=8f599fca6412206f6170bb8b92706fd5bdd0db471ffdcc1686d0f48126d9bd2a&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137698316824686/IMG_6826.png?ex=66cfd50a&is=66ce838a&hm=24fba76c37492aa26d2949ea36e83ba67f97b345f5d4388c4abd26735b7a8c9f&

these are more "pissy green"
Which matches as being "lower" than the lighter green
prompted by the the backgrounds of each having a tilt (what's the official term? I keep thinking "driveway" becuase my driveway is on an angle) - but prompts the idea of "moving down" a level

[nimble fractal]

That's the theory I had in my head for a long time but couldn't draw an analogy line to explain

[dawn arch]

so the buildings are going down

i wonder what the last one looks like

if there is a last one

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137697645727866/IMG_6815.png?ex=66cfd50a&is=66ce838a&hm=848ce4602ca6e3284d9a8cef6cd17183b995f5360a3cdb1ba1a83fecf0421a9b&

And the "blood orange"
Which, isn't really supported by anything visually, but the colour theory behind light green -> yellowy green -> blood orange/red

But is also supplemented by the visual imagery of the dim red of Tartarus (Hell itself) which is often associated with a dark/dim red that
Not that this image is Tartarus - but playing the idea that hell/tartarus is down

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
this isn't anything special though

We know, i guess, that they need to still connect to GUTS
which would be "underground"

[nimble fractal]

I would say, the colors are more related to the security levels and importance to the company

And yeah, the deepest stages must be the ones with the best security and importance

[dawn arch]

hopefully this comes to evrima this would be good for the map more buildings but not too many

[fast forge]

or it could just be sunrise/sunset outside those windows

[acoustic osprey]

potentially
but that's very low kelvin lighting to be creating that much lighting

but we can see the light on the top left emitting the yellowish-blood red

in contrast to something like this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137700707569665/IMG_6624.png?ex=66cfd50b&is=66ce838b&hm=96616941b9b5be7ae9112748938683c3389a1f707483905297997bfd63a00558&

which is more of a standard white/light bright yellow

[fast forge]

yeah cause one is a garage where you will see yellow floodlights/streetlights, and the other is indoor fluorescent lighting

[acoustic osprey]

if they did bring in Site-12
I doubt it'd be just a single location

these older legacy "sites" were proper locations
We knew Site 4 (Site I-04) was related to or was Legacy's "Gateway"

typically floodlights are higher kelvin

typically you want more natural colour temperature if you want to 'wash' your environment

however
both lights look like fluorescents

at least, they both contain that classic rectangular prism design

[fast forge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/GhhZ9mDi2wE?si=myQ57mdHYPIytz8L

I think this is what the triangles are

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[fast forge]

although it's odd seeing them in rivers and stuff in-game

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, quite washed up in

could be another hint to the changed ecosystem/environment of Gateway via a lack of AE-intervention

[fast forge]

or maybe they stuck em in the river just to block deinos

[acoustic osprey]

bit useless though, deinos can easily go around them

[fast forge]

well they make a safe spot to drink, I don't mean blockading the whole riverbank

like they can be found under that one bridge south of water access

idk maybe they kept the workers safe during construction

[acoustic osprey]

i don't know
just weird having such there

[fast forge]

it's true

[hexed forge]

I don't think they are there to protect workers from deinos

[fast forge]

it was just a thought

I think they are definitely there to protect players from deinos, and maybe it's one of those things where the canon takes a back seat to gameplay

[hexed forge]

If that's what they are.. seems a bit weird how they are in the water access river and under the delta bridge.

They got washed up upriver? (Is that even possible? Correct me if I'm wrong)

[hexed forge]

Deino just clips through them easily

[lethal moat]

Since they’re used to stop erosion, putting them under the bridge makes sense

[hexed forge]

Ah, nevermind then, it makes sense.

[acoustic osprey]

not the most effective route though

[rare tangle]

what spot? I always saw deinos under that bridge lol

[hexed forge]

Delta Bridge pretty sure.

[acoustic osprey]

unbridged bridge
and also another more inland

[fast forge]

no, north of there, along the river out of water access

(at least that's the one to which I was referring)

[hexed forge]

So the water access bridge

[fast forge]

river delta has them too

[hexed forge]

I see

[fast forge]

yes

[lethal moat]

It all circles back to the triangles
But how

[hexed forge]

How? How what?

[lethal moat]

How are the triangles important beyond protecting infrastructure

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-idea-spongebob-idk-cartoon-i-dont-know-gif-12706411626164551968

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-it-mean-butters-stotch-south-park-s14e1-pulling-a-tiger-gif-22899284

[hexed forge]

"AE values their infrastructure" is their meaning.

[fast forge]

no, not circles, triangles

[hexed forge]

Woah

[snow jasper]

Colour theory in the isle is crazy but it works

thats some next level professionality, if its true

https://tenor.com/view/la-la-land-gif-7777239

[lethal moat]

Could match up with the keycards as well

[hexed forge]

What dinos are you guys going to choose to explore the Docks area?

[lethal moat]

Omni

Cannibal omni

[hexed forge]

Nice nice, do some docktah population control

Im probably going to go Beipi so Im small enough to explore the pipe system and also fight the troodon rats

[lethal moat]

Hoping for another lore hunt or TSL stuff

[hexed forge]

Agreed.

[median shuttle]

I wanted to do herra but idk if dons comments about material conditions will allow that

[hexed forge]

True

[median shuttle]

beipi it will have to do I suppose

[hexed forge]

Same location

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/same-gif-8650053

[hexed forge]

Exactly.

The canon roster that was/is on Gateway so far.

-Herrerasaurus
-Tyrannosaurus
-Dryosaurus
-Diabloceratops
-Allosaurus
-Dilophosaurus
-Troodon
-Gen2 (Likely)
-Quetzalcoatlus (Possibly)

Seems about right...

[fast forge]

Didn't we hear something about an aquatic access to Perimeter? This art and this location is what I thought about at the time

[hexed forge]

We didnt hear anything about that no.

[fast forge]

really? huh idk what I'm remembering then

[lethal moat]

Probably thinking of Posiedon entrance on the errant sheet

[fast forge]

nah, this was back when I was new at lore, didn't know about errant 291

probably 7-8 months ago

[snow jasper]

So is the humanoid figure we saw fixing the trail camera by the diablo nest not irrefutable proof of Gen 2 presence, if not, formerly presence on the island

[hexed forge]

Its likely that it is a Gen2 since it connects to multiple other possible theories.

[snow jasper]

:V it is gen 2

[hexed forge]

Probably yes

[snow jasper]

If I play gen 2 on an unofficial server, its the same model!

so not probably, its definitely

sorry for being passive aggressive

https://tenor.com/view/cheerio-hat-tip-gif-10803496

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1278013599146704969/ihhhhh.gif

[silk jungle]

Finally

[carmine marsh]

oh my god.
no way.