isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

Looking at both Augustus and Dibble
Both shooting pretty low resolution video

[hexed forge]

Dibble Tcam isn't really low resolution

[acoustic osprey]

I beg to say it's not high quality either

Looking at things like WiFi motherboards
Which have pretty comparable antennas that transmit and receive WiFi

[hexed forge]

It's pretty high quality to me

But it might just be what we see and not what the actual footage was.... no idea

[acoustic osprey]

However
One might say the rural aspect of the TCAM also affects the range of the antenna

Likely why it is more easily prone to artefacting

[hexed forge]

I mean the footage was ofcourse edited seeing as how it's not the OG footage

[acoustic osprey]

Doesn't explain why the 2nd video still has artefacts

[acoustic osprey]

The thing is we're still limited to a game engine cinematic

[hexed forge]

It fell over too and was decently damaged

[acoustic osprey]

Doesn't explain why it has the same artefacting

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

Actually
I think we completely missed something

I now don't believe the two separate videos are two separate videos

Making me believe it's one now

[hexed forge]

Why

[fast forge]

"Materials and evaluations"

I think it's a physical archive, that perhaps has a digital component, or maybe just an on-site computer with server

[acoustic osprey]

How did that get there

Only reason you could think of is if that came from the original file

(The first video)

Unless it comes down to something like Archive (7)

Where something is wrong with such

Blending several related files into one

Always wondered how the first video should actually look

[hexed forge]

Is that the allo video or the Dibble video

[acoustic osprey]

Because we know it's not just a TCAM video

[acoustic osprey]

2nd

[hexed forge]

Allo?

[acoustic osprey]

Being that it's a presentation
Like Augustus

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[hexed forge]

Hm

[hexed forge]

How sure are we that those two images even have the same text

[acoustic osprey]

Basically every readable text matches it

[hexed forge]

Hmmm

Might be very unlikely but there is a chance that some text changed in there, like instead of Dibble it might have said allo.

Very unlikely yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Why though

The desc still refers to the video as being the 2nd section (b) of the original

[hexed forge]

Yeah I suppose they aren't two different videos ofcourse, just a separate section of it.. that got.. but then why is that in the allo video.

[acoustic osprey]

I'm guessing it's not two separate "made it when we found it" videos

More so the two are just one

That the descriptions do not match with the videos themselves

[hexed forge]

Small "Comment" from Isaac according to google

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-k2so-congratulations-you-are-being-rescued-youre-being-rescued-gif-22411293

[hexed forge]

So when the descriptions reference the "Source material" being retrieved, is it still referencing the camera being retrieved?

The 2nd T-Cam specifically

[fast forge]

the entire video collection, whether in one part or two was data used in a study on Diabloceratops, not Allosaurus, so it would be labeled as relevant to diablo

[hexed forge]

The reason I said allo was because that text popped up long after the dibbles ran off somewhere, it was after the allos destroyed the camera. But yeah its very unlikely that anything changed.

[fast forge]

well yeah, the entire experiment was testing something for dibble
they didn't label the troodon, dilo call, or omnis present in the first video section
and so also didn't label the allo in the latter portion

[hexed forge]

What if they did mention it, we just didnt see it because of the corruption.

The video is in the same format that the AUGUSTUS video is in, and it mentioned rex.

[fast forge]

perhaps, but they still were not the focus of the video, as the video was about a specific study on dibble

[hexed forge]

Augustus was an incident report around one specific herrera, it still mentioned other species that were present in the recording. The rex was included because it was the cause of the herrera running off.

Why wouldnt they include the raptors that hunted the dibbles then? They likely did, MORE than likely did include the pack of raptors that hunted the dibbles. We just never saw the slides because of the corruption.

[fast forge]

sure, but we can't really say one way or another as that's simply not in the video

[median shuttle]

giant crab?

[hexed forge]

We can assume that it more than likely did include the raptors in the post-injection evaluation.

[fast forge]

I'm not gonna assume anything for which I don't have direct evidence - AUGUSTUS was also a different type of video

AUGUSTUS was an incident report
the other was a file recovery

[hexed forge]

It uses the same format.

And also since its a post-evaluation to the injection, it monitors the behavior and what the dibbles did.... So the raptors being included and what hunted them definitely was included. Its without a doubt.

[hexed forge]

No, its a post-evaluation on the injection.

[fast forge]

well it was a file recovery of the post-evaluation

[hexed forge]

Exactly yes

Why would a post evaluation not include everything that the dibbles did/what hunted the dibbles/what they ate(WHICH WAS INCLUDED!)... it literally included the entire migration path of all the dibbles.

[fast forge]

Okay, but I don't know why you are focused on saying "they definitely document X" when the video doesn't include that

Yes because Migration Data is relevant to the diets, which seemed to be the focus of the study

[hexed forge]

Im saying that the full video, without corruption, wouldve included that.

[fast forge]

You can guess that, but we cannot say for certain as we don't have that data. I also don't know if it's very important in any case

So the missing data mentions the other animals from the footage. So? It doesn't change anything does it?

[hexed forge]

So if it doesnt change anything, am I not allowed to assume that the full video includes way more things that we didnt see?

Which it likely did if we look at the evidence.

[fast forge]

we can assume it has more info, but I wouldn't assume any specifics as this is a new video format for us

And as I said, assuming that it mentions omnis doesn't really change anything anyways. TBH I think they could omit the omnis if it wasn't relevant to the study at hand

Changing the topic slightly - so what do we think is our timeline for the recovery of this footage?

Can we assume that the camera being left in the field indefinitely is canon? Is there a physical copy of the footage (film) in the camera, but it uploaded a backup via wireless?

But if they didn't go get the camera, how can they claim the original footage "no longer exists" if it's just sitting in a field

Or is the in-game camera not technically canon. Someone in-canon went and picked up the camera, but it was destroyed/corrupted after upload

[hexed forge]

Accidentally clicked enter oops, gimme like 2 minutes to write my idea

[fast forge]

The original context of the video makes it seem like the "recovered file" is part of an evaluation that uses compiled data, including tracking data and video footage, and would have been presented to other people, but the original footage is no longer in their archive

[hexed forge]

So this is what I think, some of these Ideas are also Isaacs not mine.

1. The entirety of the dibble video was a live recording, the dibble knocking it down and the allo knocking it down completely corrupted the live recording.

2. Something happened to the guy who tried retrieving the first T-Cam and thats why the OG footage did not exist for TC1393. So they got stuck with the live recording footage that got corrupted.

3. TC1462 was retrieved, its what the allo video is, the extra footage.

4. The File recovery is the recovery of the Post-Evaluation. That means the Post-Evaluation file somehow got corrupted.. Potentially something happened with the archive? No idea

Maybe the Post-Evaluation file has something to do with F5

[hexed forge]

I believe that it was retrieved, and if me and Isaac are correct. That means that camera will be moved somewhere else in the future instead of it just being in the feild. It was placed in the feild simply so we can find it.

Moved to GW_F5 or the Archive?

Well, that depends if the Archive is a server room or something else.

[median shuttle]

looking at the camera, it seems like the camera itself is broken. file recovery makes me think the tape or sd card containing the footage was retrieved but the camera was seen as beyond repair and just left as is

[fast forge]

TC1462 was everything after the dibble knocked the camera over and the human had to replace TC1393 with a new camera (TC1462)

[hexed forge]

Yes

Wait did I say something about TC1462 thats wrong

Gotta reread then

[fast forge]

I was mostly just making sure we were on the same page, in that regard

[hexed forge]

I see

[young viper]

Hi Dondi👋

[patent ginkgo]

uh

[young viper]

i was trying to see if it works

[lethal moat]

What if strains weren’t supposed to be permanent, but rather, a treatment

Also, I feel that given how unfinished hyperendocrine is, strains were either canceled, postponed, or took place shortly before the events of “the incident”

[median shuttle]

maybe strains were the straw that broke the camels back

[lethal moat]

Mhm, at least on gateway

[kindred bobcat]

Like a steroid?

[hexed forge]

I always thought of how the three strains were their way of trying to make the perfect human

And along the way they used dinosaurs to test this "Treatment"

And gen2 is the PERFECT balance between Hyper, Tisso, and Neuro.

The echidna was the result of too much neuro..."Goo"...

The collossus was the result of too much hyper stuff

Etc etc, fun stuff

[lethal moat]

Why not combine them then?

[hexed forge]

Thats what they did (Theory)

[lethal moat]

How to melt a person

[hexed forge]

Who said they needed an actual human to make gen2s

[lethal moat]

Are you saying gen 2 aren’t real people?

[hexed forge]

Nah

Well yes, Im saying that.

[lethal moat]

Alright, what do you classify as a person?

[hexed forge]

A homo species that was biologically made and not artificially made

[fast forge]

Nah, Homo habilis were people

Homo neanderthalensis
Homo naledi
Homo floresiensis
Homo denisova

All humans

[hexed forge]

Well, yes. You are right

Changed it up, no idea if I even worded it correctly.

[fast forge]

The thing is, we don't actually know if there is any human DNA in Gen 2

[hexed forge]

Also Filipe called them clones one time, and not humans in response to a question about humans I think. But Im not sure how much Dondi tells him about the lore.

[fast forge]

But at the same time, that kind of touches on a flaw in the way that we name things:
For example, what is a vulture? Humans named vultures in the New World and Old World by common features - a medium-sized carrion eater with a naked head
But it turns out that old world and new world vultures are completely unrelated, coming from different groups of birds entirely (storks and birds of prey)
But we still call them vultures because they look similar, have the vulture nature

I think in this same way, Gen 2 are humans even if we don't share DNA

They look like humans, can do all the same stuff as us

For me the real question is, who is piloting it

If it's a human consciousness or whatever, yeah, it's a person

If it's a drone/AI controlled human body, maybe not

But then you have the whole bucket of worms that is "Can robots be people?"

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah, I agree, if its a human consciousness in it. It should be counted as a person, if its some weird AI/robot, no, that just follows orders, no, it shouldnt.

[hexed forge]

No.

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-dance-gif-5319769

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-gif-11129110201495930569

[fast forge]

Is this robot not a person?

My point is that it's not a clear line, but you know it when you see it

[hexed forge]

Its a robot, a fictional character that by the writers was meant to be humanlike.

Why are we comparing cartoons to IRL

[fast forge]

Gen 2's are IRL?

[hexed forge]

No.

You are using IRL logic in your statements

[fast forge]

Gen 2 are equally fictitious

[hexed forge]

Yes, but I agreed with you tho, if its a human consciousness controlling the gen2 body. It should count as a human, if its AI controlled or a drone. It shouldnt.

A robot shouldnt count as a human being

[fast forge]

I think if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck

[hexed forge]

So can a mecha-duck be an actual duck..

[fast forge]

If the robot is sufficiently advanced such that we would treat it and see it like a human, it's a person

[hexed forge]

Nah, especially if Gen2s were made to complete tasks. Certain tasks.

[fast forge]

My guy, across history some people were made to complete certain tasks

[hexed forge]

Its still a robot, a robot is a robot. But we dont know if Gen2s are even robots/AI.

[fast forge]

My view of this ultimately comes down to the fact that human consciousness - a soul - is an extremely hard thing to quantify and qualify

We don't really know what consciousness is

Are animals people? I've known people who would say yes.

[hexed forge]

I could say that they have emotions and shouldnt be abused for absolutely no reason. But to kill them for food? Sure, thats how nature works.

Why does this conversation seem offtopic for some reason

[fast forge]

this is lore, it's on-topic

EIP's fit in with other sci-fi concepts that make you think about the nature of humanity, and the mind

[fast forge]

In fact this question is a very old one now

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-the-next-generation-data-data-shrugs-gif-21440586

[hexed forge]

My closure statement to this topic is this:

If it has a human consciousness, it should be considered as human. So it falls down to if gen2 has an EIP or is it a drone/AI controlled

Phone typing is my worst enemy istg.

[fast forge]

I think it's one of those things in life with a lot of gray areas, but I tend to not see the world in black and white terms

[lethal moat]

Now what is human consciousness, how are we different from animals when we don’t know what they feel?

It can still be a person and have a different consciousness, like how some people consider their pets to be their friends, it’s a matter of the observer to decide, not something that can be quantified (in my opinion)

[hexed forge]

I cant see how this is related to Gen2s

[lethal moat]

You can’t say wether or not gen 2 have human consciousness unless you are a gen 2

[hexed forge]

What..

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-thinking-about-you-think-thinking-of-you-gif-20503421

I mean it in the literal sense of them having a human consciousness controlling it

Like they literally, could be controlled by a human.

[lethal moat]

Alright, how?

[hexed forge]

Kind of like in Avatar how humans can control the Naavi clones, but thats probably a horrible example.

[hexed forge]

Thats a process that we dont know yet

The entire process of EIPs being inserted into a body is not known.

[lethal moat]

So how can you say the difference between an actual human, and a human that is represented by the replicator? Should there be a difference there?

[hexed forge]

So are you saying the humn consciousness is coming from the replicator...?

[lethal moat]

I'm saying we don't know how the replicator does it's magic, and I don't trust a EIP to be the "soul" of a person

[hexed forge]

But isnt an EIP literally just a real person, that was injected into another body... so what does the replicator have to do with that process...? Unless we barely know anything so its just assumptions.

[lethal moat]

I'm operating under the assumption that the conciousness is seperate from the brain, and they're not just lobotomizing dinos and throwing a human brain in there

Human mind vs human brain

[hexed forge]

So what does the replicator have to do with that

[lethal moat]

Let me pull up the Augustus video rq

Replicator replicates the body, so I assume it has at least some interaction with how EIPs could theoretically access said body, the brain, which is a part of the body

[hexed forge]

And how do you define an EIP?

[lethal moat]

Embryo Intelligence Profile
IE: Quantified consciousness that can potentially be inserted, relocated, or copied

[hexed forge]

So a consciousness, I think we are on the same idea now.

Now let me reread again seeing as how I know what you think EIPs are.

What I think is that (In reference to what EIPs are)

There is a human that signed the thousand life contract, the consciousness is somehow moved from a body to another. We dont know what and how that process happens. Potentially includes the replicator or something we dont even know about. When that consciounsness is moved into another body, it has full control of that body and can feel pain. Boom, so if Gen2s are EIPs, then yes, they are humans.

What I didnt understand from you @lethal moat is your replicator statement, what did you mean by "A human represented by the replicator"?

[lethal moat]

Why is a replicated consciousness different than a gen 2 conciousness

[hexed forge]

Why would a consciousness be replicated;

Thats if the replicator can even do that.

[lethal moat]

Why would the action of putting a consciousness into a body be separate from when it's being created, seems more efficient to have it all done at once

[hexed forge]

How is the consciousness "created"? Do you mean when the consciousness is being moved form X body to Y body

[lethal moat]

I was refering to the body being created, so yes

[hexed forge]

Oh I see

[hexed forge]

Well they probably dont have enough "EIPs" to take on everysingle body, for example the dibbles in the videos were likely not EIPs. Some bodies might just be a normal animal, some others might be controlled by a human consciousness. It really depends on what AE uses EIPs for.

So them being seperate processes makes sense that way.

[lethal moat]

I say it depends on the process of getting people

But yes, it depends what AE does with it

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/glad-were-all-on-the-same-page-max-greenfield-maximillian-banks-mr-peanutbutter-paul-f-tompkins-gif-16578978

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-ill-drink-to-that-bro-gif-12940340

[hexed forge]

Waiting for Isaac to wake up so he can check DMs...

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-2746084063819743383

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hbo-rome-pharsalus-i-want-to-go-home-im-tired-gif-27352683

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/daniel-greene-daniel-greene-im-gonna-need-you-to-read-all-these-all-these-gif-19975931

[acoustic osprey]

we love ontology!

[acoustic osprey]

We'd have to define (b)s description of "Recovery operations for source material complete. Moving file to ARCHIVE (7)."

what is source material in the context of the video?

[hexed forge]

Whats the source of the footage

(I'm taking the words too literally)

Source = origin of something
Material = physical object or substance

What's the main thing we see in the video = footage

Source of the footage = camera perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

we can't ignore the actual information given in the video

the video itself
has definitely been edited twice

first (before corruption, likely)
being when it was akin to the AUGUSTUS video in a post-summary evaluation
with media slideshows, TCAM footage, etc

second being more of an archival-esque editing.
Where it compiles an introduction to the Dibble Inj Video (note not the TCAM file, but the whole video itself) being "corrupted"
- we know this due to the 2nd slide referring to the video being a "POST-INJECTION EVALUATION"

However
we still have to note that AE themselves (whomever edited it) still notes both TCAM original footage no longer exists
I believe this confuses us a bit, as we then associate the video with the TCAM raw footage being "corrupted" and not the file itself

So we MUST note.
The corruption -> the Injection Evaluation file itself
NOT the raw footage from the Trail Cam

Now
in the context of the video(s)

Defining what source material would be in the context of THE VIDEO (not the raw footage)

"source material" would most likely refer to the footage from the camera rather than the camera itself.

as the term "source material" normally denotes the primary data or content that was intended to be captured and used for analysis or review.

[fast forge]

I agree

[acoustic osprey]

Now though
how far can we go for recovering the source material ?

we can't be confused though
there are two references to "retrieval"

first being via the actual file itself - which, however done, had caused corrupted (via from whomever retrieved it or via a third party ... like a neuro)

the second being the actual "source material" itself
We know this isn't a mistake from the 1st or 2nd video
because the description of the first video includes:

Recovery operations for source material is ongoing.

therefore it couldn't be a mistake via Seiza and/or Dondi
this was on purpose

however
unlike everything else
we can't really define how and what AE did to retrieve the "2nd aspect" - the source material

one way
is that they would've done it via physical retrieval

which would make sense in why they didn't have it in the first place with the original file

[hexed forge]

Physically retrieving the second or the first TCAM

[acoustic osprey]

trying not to confuse the artefacts in the 1st and 2nd video - we know this isn't truly from "connection" from the TCAMs, but the actual WHOLE video itself
it may be likely that the allosaurus shoving the TCAM broke the antenna

which may have likely happened with the Dibble in the 1st video

[acoustic osprey]

2nd

[hexed forge]

So what happened to the first?

[acoustic osprey]

ok then
then why did the video still continue after it was hit (the 1st TCAM)
and not with the 2nd TCAM?

one reason could be that the damage was less impactful with the Dibble

[hexed forge]

Well the 2nd T-cam possibly suffered way more damage than the 1st

[acoustic osprey]

way more*

[hexed forge]

Oops, messed them up

[acoustic osprey]

another reason may be that we're still mistaking the descriptions of the videos with the timeline of the 2 videos

as we know there were still files within the 2nd video

as referred to yesterday/last night

[hexed forge]

Was the 1st successfuly retrieved or did something happen to the gen2?

[acoustic osprey]

that they're not two videos, in lore, but only one

And that AE, in whatever timeline the "description" of the videos, decided to try and regather the original source material in the video

[hexed forge]

Yeah, and I think the corruption was caused by the archive, something happened with the archive.

The post evaluation itself being corrupted, not the footage

[acoustic osprey]

well we don't really know
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1262977562678923314/Screen_Shot_2024-07-17_at_10.40.21_am.png?ex=66988f03&is=66973d83&hm=28a6dc6e2c6cb29078ececed0624339d6307ee6aaf109575b477c67e89ab421b&

this may very well be that they deleted the footage after some time, prior to retrieving the File

or, to what you have suggested, may be something on a larger scale

that something may of happened to ARCHIVE (7)

[hexed forge]

Yeah!

[acoustic osprey]

i was thinking about this last night

when i posted this

but now after better thought
it may likely be something more internal

properly being that ARCHIVE (7) may be corrupted

makes more sense than
they corrupted simply over "transferring"

[lethal moat]

So the file is being retrieved from the archive?

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

Alright good, that's what I though

[acoustic osprey]

I think we definitely got it wrong to some degree
it not actually being the TCAMs

but the whole file itself

i don't believe the 2nd video is completely a second video

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

I think that's what we all started to think after some discussing

Referring to number 4 in that link

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[acoustic osprey]

still noting the description refers to (b)

█ Usgx-9921-c578 (B) isle ███. Recovery operations for source material complete. Moving file to ARCHIVE (7).

i don't believe this is a problem though

as i don't believe the videos are linked with the same timeline of the videos

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

that still refers to footage
not the whole file itself

but i'm more so referring to our idea of what happened for the past few months

[lethal moat]

I think it specifies the damage occured during retrieval

[hexed forge]

Retrieving the entire file itself?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

However,
I believe the timeline may go something like this:

(assuming all data from the TCAMs are sent via antenna)
-1st TCAM captures the injection
-1st TCAM is hit and replaced, and taken back by someone
-2nd TCAM captures the injection
-2nd TCAM is hit by an Allosaurus (but isn't retrieved, yet)
-Inj Video is made
-SOMETHING HAPPENS to or related with ARCHIVE (7), either on a whole or during the same time the file is retrieved
-Meanwhile, 2nd TCAM is being retrieved then is found

[hexed forge]

I'm still stuck and confused on the descriptions.

So, the "source material" would be the entire post evaluation file right?

[lethal moat]

Then why include 'during retrieval'

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

1st slide talks about the Inj Video
then goes to second slide about "retrieval" and being corrupted

3rd slide then says the original footage from the TCAMs no longer exist

[hexed forge]

So the 2 videos that we see is one entire video that got sent to the archive. Gotcha.

[lethal moat]

In that video, they're still looking for the source material, which means that the file retrieval is what damaged it, not the source itself

[acoustic osprey]

this is what i believe

seeing as we see the 2nd video containing artefacts and images from the 1st video

[hexed forge]

Mhm, it makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

that the 2nd video's footage is only "2nd video" as an aspect for the community

[acoustic osprey]

that makes no sense, sorry

the opening sequence is in the context of the file (the injection summary) itself, not the TCAMs

[lethal moat]

I'm talking about the description

[acoustic osprey]

i don't believe the description matches in the timeline of the videos

however
them looking for source material or it being found doesn't change the actual opening sequence of the video

the video is still labled as "File Recovery: USGX-9921-C578"

and that the second slide refers to the injection video as such

[lethal moat]

I believe source material to be the original file, trying to request it again, uncorrupted, rather than something to do with the trailcams themselves

[acoustic osprey]

rather than just the TCAM being the subject of "file recovery"

[hexed forge]

At this point I think the descriptions are the details that just break all the theories into pieces.

F5 situation

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

i don't believe so, honestly

[hexed forge]

It's confusing

[acoustic osprey]

what we see in the description can be explained in the videos themselves

just not F5...

yet, at least

[lethal moat]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

This is something we just disagree on, not something entirely unknown to us

[acoustic osprey]

but i don't believe they were digitally requesting the 2nd TCAM footage itself, especially the whole injection video itself

source material wouldn't really mean the whole injection video

being source material, meaning that it would have to be parts/the material of the video

and that the hunt was upon the TCAM itself, and not the whole file

[lethal moat]

The whole uncorrupted video could be, rather than the damaged pieces that we got

[hexed forge]

So was the source material the camera

I just need a yes or a no please...

[acoustic osprey]

yeah but that doesn't make sense in the description of "source material"

[lethal moat]

I don't believe so

[acoustic osprey]

you don't call the main/whole project as a source material

unless you're just referring to the TCAM footage itself

[lethal moat]

You might if the project was damaged, in a situation such as this one

[acoustic osprey]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

no
you wouldn't really

original file would make more sense

[hexed forge]

I believe so, but I'm just... ok I think I should let my confusion quiet down and go with what I think

[acoustic osprey]

there are better descriptions to define an uncorrupted file

for example
one meaning of source material would be:

Source material is the collection of objects a writer uses to gather information and ideas

if you're making an essay/book on a specific time in history
your source material would be (almost always, as in reference to "primary" sources and not secondary) primary sources on the time at hand you are working on

if your book/essay is destroyed

you wouldn't refer to such as a source material

if you're looking for your source material on your broken/destroyed book/essay
you'd be looking for the sources you used to make the book/essay itself

likely either for archival reasons
or to make a new book/essay

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

I feel like what the original source was matters less than the archive itself

[acoustic osprey]

i think this is supported from the opening glitches in the intro as well
even the "file recovery" is glitchy as well

[acoustic osprey]

i don't understand though
they refer to "source material"
not original source

the whole file is not a source though

and the fact that the "recovery for the source material" was stated as recovered when we found the TCAM

i don't believe, in any way, that it is referring to the whole file itself as an aspect of what AE was trying to recover in the description

sure the whole file was retrieved
but I believe that unrelated to operation on finding the source material

https://tenor.com/view/poor-you-doctor-house-dr-house-hugh-laurie-house-gif-15779361

also, when can doc be updated

[lethal moat]

But what caused the artifacting tho

[lethal moat]

Totally forgot about that, can do it now

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

of the file
Definitely what's referred to in the 2nd slide

being such

that it may be something related to ARCHIVE (7)

however
now I'm getting a bit, not confused, but ponderous

[lethal moat]

electromagnetic strongly implies neuro to me, I can't really think of anything else

[acoustic osprey]

because the intro also contains glitching
but still refers to artifacting during retrieval

however
that may just be due to ARCHIVE (7) being affected on a larger scale

[acoustic osprey]

i believe it may likely be

[lethal moat]

Or it could be whatever was being used to transport the file, as an alternative to damaging everything in said archive, which would allow for more files to be retrieved at a later time without said damage

Potentially a PDA

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

double artifacting is interesting

they was severe artifacting that happened
which is why basically the post-injection evaluation part of the video was basically completely destroyed

but the opening having issues as well is interesting

[acoustic osprey]

thanks 👌

[lethal moat]

I don't imagine these things would be built to resist EMPs, maybe whatever this is in the third image

[acoustic osprey]

such Neuro/EMP aspect may also be more grand than a one time/small thing

which could be a reason if, especially, it was on a PDA (for the second artefacts)

[lethal moat]

Mhm, it could be extensive damage to a lot of data/machinery

[fast forge]

I don't think it's hard to make a device that can resist EMP, it's just too expensive to do it with the average electronic device

I think it just needs a faraday cage of some sort

[lethal moat]

Yeah, it just needs metallic shielding

Might honestly be easier to coat a whole server than it is to shield the individual chips and whatnot

[fast forge]

oh apparently there is a company that makes duffel bags that are shielded

[lethal moat]

It can be done

[fast forge]

I meant the handheld

[lethal moat]

It probably could be done, but it would be more expensive, and AE might not have considered it worth it before developing neuros

[fast forge]

that's fair

[lethal moat]

"We didn't think we needed to buy the military grade nucleur resistant pagers when these civilians ones do the same thing at a much lower price"

[fast forge]

"During retrieval"
So what, they send employee out to get the footage, and neuro attacks along the way?

[lethal moat]

Maybe, or a neuro just exists while trying to access it remotely

[fast forge]

ye
#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

could be from many reasons in how such was retrieved

[fast forge]

Okay, in all of Isle canon, are EMP's mentioned anywhere other than in the context of neuros?

Some of their tech could hypothetically cause electromagnetic interference, but nothing explicitly stated to be doing that, right?

[lethal moat]

Strong emps as far as I'm aware, are only caused by fission or fusion in real life

[acoustic osprey]

radio interference on the fences of resupply points

[fast forge]

Really? I'm curious the context

[acoustic osprey]

Radio frequancy fields at this site exceeds the FCC rules of human exposure.
faliure to obey -- ---- sings and site guidances for working -- radio frequancy ------ -------- ----- -- serious injury

---

i cannot find an image of it
but i have it on my PC

but i'm in thailand, so i cannot send

[fast forge]

fair enough, thank you

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[fast forge]

So I looked into the effects of intense radiofrequency radiation exposure, and it kinda just cooks you from the inside

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazmat-aesthetic-suit-protection-gif-9020121119701232489

[fast forge]

It heats up the body faster than we can dissipate heat

[acoustic osprey]

Why is everything tingling

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hexed forge]

Any other clear images of the text ?

[acoustic osprey]

i had one
can't find it anywhere though

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[tulip tartan]

I think dondi is the isle himself

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-homelander-mk1-thumbs-up-antony-starr-gif-16785599914112622767

[tulip tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-if-death-gif-23334862

[acoustic osprey]

common cause of death, yes

[tulip tartan]

fr

[lethal moat]

Wonder if they’ll end up teezing gen 1 like they’ve been doing for recent dinosaurs, just spook a couple of people

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-antony-rome-bread-philippi-mark-antony-bread-marc-antony-bread-gif-18090985

[fast forge]

playing Gen 2, you hear something in the trees, shine your flashlight on it

[lethal moat]

He so smiley

[fast forge]

scuttles up the tree

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/grevious-crawl-scuttle-star-wars-gif-16176515

[valid geyser]

Bonus points if it’s before gen 2 and we get to see people go
“WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT. I JUST SAW A HORRIFYING HUMAN IN A TREE. LIKE A MONSTER HUMAN.”

[hexed forge]

It was just Bob, Bob likes climbing trees, Bob likes to eat flesh, Bob likes human flesh.

https://tenor.com/view/bob-dumb-stupid-window-licker-gif-21493514

[valid geyser]

oh hi bob

oh..

[hexed forge]

I didnt even see the rest of that gif

I just thought its "This is bob"

Is it appropriate ?

[valid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-idk-i-dont-know-who-knows-gif-17348455

[hexed forge]

New HT update yippee

[meager junco]

Damnit, I liked destroying them as troodon

[hexed forge]

Ayeee, that means they are in.

[meager junco]

Meaning….Rex soon!

Shirley shall rise….

[hexed forge]

Thats if Maia doesnt get ahead of it which seems like it is

[lethal moat]

It’s a race to the finish

[meager junco]

Might even push them all for one release who knows

[hexed forge]

Maybe

Guys, the camera is gone.

[patent ginkgo]

wah oh

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat Me and Isaac were right

[lethal moat]

Darn

[hexed forge]

Perhaps it got moved to a base, time to search-In the 2 hours that I have left before I leave for vacation

[kindred bobcat]

we can still read human text?

[hexed forge]

Yes

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184681758231363636/1248773275631358115/image0.jpg?ex=6698f57d&is=6697a3fd&hm=183e6ea3da1171fc6aedcc272508eea0d0cc91769928bf516a1a8371d7500605&

[hexed forge]

🫡

[lethal moat]

🫡

I’ll look around later tonight

[hexed forge]

Ok, so when I enter a base the FPS drops A LOT

[zenith frigate]

what of the mount

[hexed forge]

About 30 fps

[young viper]

the camera was Changed

🎙️

[hexed forge]

Changed into air molecules

[hexed forge]

East dome Checked, currently checking H6

H6 checked, checking K15.

Yk it would be nice if Don could confirm if it was

-Removed
-Moved to a base
-Moved.. but in the middle of nowhere

Orr he could watch us suffer

[zenith frigate]

i checked perm but nothing seemed different

[hexed forge]

👍

[median shuttle]

lights are on in the north jungle base

[hexed forge]

Try breaking the fence at that base

[median shuttle]

im still too small rn

[hexed forge]

hmm, alr.

[median shuttle]

are yall some of those gallis ive been hearing lol?

[hexed forge]

Im a ptera at K15

[median shuttle]

still cant go upstairs in that one building in the base

are lights in the offices new? I dont seem to remember that

[hexed forge]

I dont think so

[median shuttle]

can you check the office building in k15 and see if theres lights on there?

[hexed forge]

No lights

[young viper]

i was there and forgot to put the lights off, sorry

[median shuttle]

curious, cause I think i was in the northern jungle base at night before and there were no lights

the lights turning on inside the office struck me as odd

[young viper]

Someone isn't paying their electricity bills

Is there somewhere with flashing lights?

[hexed forge]

I dont think there is a major lore indication there, might just be that the Northern Jungle base was the only one that was fixed.

[median shuttle]

yeah for sure

[hexed forge]

Blame bob

[median shuttle]

lights in the bathrooms as well now

[hexed forge]

Active lore hunt for the camera that disappeared... H6 checked, K15 checked, C14 I assume checked right @median shuttle ? ,East dome checked, checking D10 and I12

[fast forge]

the resupply points had lights that would click on

[median shuttle]

have not seen the camera at this base and i think I've walked it up and down

[fast forge]

is this the lore news?

[hexed forge]

Ight, so only D10 and I12 remain. If we cant find it there, its gone, removed from the map.

[hexed forge]

This could indicate that theory that me and Isaac had is correct

Or atleast, its more evidence to support it.

so yes lore news.

[valid geyser]

Watch it just happen to be some slightly older map version that doesn’t have the camera

[hexed forge]

Then whoever switched it back to an older version will get nightmares.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[fast forge]

that it will be moved to a different location?

[hexed forge]

Yes, it just may or may not be a location on the map for now.

[fast forge]

I'm on my way home from work, will probably help search in my own fashion

[hexed forge]

🫡

@valid geyser If your idea is correct you shall be banished to Tartarus.

[lethal moat]

Good thing we have screenshots for the scrapbook

[valid geyser]

Wow
WOW
All I stated were words

[hexed forge]

Those were strong words

[valid geyser]

Alternatively would be funny if it was deleted just so the lore people go “WHY? FIND WHY.”

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-mordor-the-eye-gif-5619682

@hexed forge Are you 100% sure you didn’t just miss it when you were looking?

[hexed forge]

I went to the exact coordinates, its gone.

[zenith frigate]

was the mount gone as well

[hexed forge]

I have no idea where the mount is

[zenith frigate]

aight ill go have a look again
I know where it is

[hexed forge]

alr

[hexed forge]

-158,061.47, 274,331.546, 22,624.031

Exacts coords to the camera incase I missed it.. somehow..

[zenith frigate]

thanks

[hexed forge]

If I somehow missed the camera.. I.... I have no idea on what Im going to do to myself lmao

[lethal moat]

If you did, it’s not a big deal lol

[hexed forge]

D10 is clear

[zenith frigate]

Mount is gone as well
small mark on the ground where it was

[hexed forge]

Ayeee, I wasnt going insane

Weird how they also took the stand, if there were dinosaurs in the area my ass would just grab the camera and run.

Well, unless they were properly armed.

[lethal moat]

Or unless we are the people that found and took it

[zenith frigate]

it was broken as well so even less value in it

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

Actually, yeah, thats possible. Very possible.

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

I feel like Don would let us play as humans tho

Which he didnt

[lethal moat]

Employees might not necessarily have to be human

[hexed forge]

How would a dinosaur be able to grab two objects and deliver it to a base

That doesnt feel real

Something out of a cartoon

[lethal moat]

Gallimimus has hands

[hexed forge]

Yeah, no. I doubt it was an actual dinosaur that grabbed it.

[lethal moat]

Plus, EIPs

[median shuttle]

nothing at d10

[lethal moat]

Could also be a symbolic “hey they found it”

[hexed forge]

Dont think so

[zenith frigate]

theres not really a reason to remove them

[hexed forge]

At I12 rn

[hexed forge]

The allo footage was the outcome of retrieving the camera

It lost connection when it was knocked down to the ground

[hexed forge]

Oh and also it wouldnt really make sense,

The timeline that is, think about it.

How would the Archive "Incident?" fit into it. After all, the Allo footage and Dibble footage were ONE video. Both mashed together, the possible incident that happened to the archive was the cause of the glitchy report.

Which would mean the camera was retrieved before it was sent off into the archive

The timeline wouldnt make sense

[lethal moat]

It’s the first lore hunt, I don’t really read much into this aspect more than it being the first of many, a test run of sorts

[hexed forge]

I12 cleared, all resupply points cleared..

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-gone-reduced-to-atoms-gif-26539274

[hexed forge]

So now its either

-On a gateway location thats not ingame yet
-Not on gateway at all
-Or like rumple said, Reduced to atoms.

Don if you are there, it would be helpful if you could confirm. Please

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683040176397746187/965087719715905546/image01.gif

[zenith frigate]

I searched the area around where the camera was and theres nothing new

no marks or anything

[hexed forge]

Reduced to atoms

[fast forge]

did y'all check if the east coast pond has any new buildings?

[hexed forge]

Checking the random tower in east plains r-

Haha, perfect timing, yes Im doing that right now @fast forge

[fast forge]

[hexed forge]

uhhhh, I need some coords

Hard to see through the night

-62,523.931, 551,693.787, 30,342.751

got it

[frozen osprey]

anyone got eggs? (egg code / server) ... nightmare to play alone lol

[lethal moat]

Wrong chat lol

[frozen osprey]

my bad

[fast forge]

try #evrima-na or the version for your locality

[lethal moat]

All good

[hexed forge]

Nothing

[fast forge]

drat

[hexed forge]

Fair to say that, its not on the map.

[valid geyser]

[hexed forge]

Alright so shall we banish @valid geyser to tartarus for no reason?

[lethal moat]

I volunteer to take his place

[valid geyser]

Hey now

[hexed forge]

Hmmmmmm

[hexed forge]

What if you both get sent down there

[valid geyser]

You’re gonna leave me stuck with Dr. Rumple?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-one-job-gif-12942767

[valid geyser]

Help I angered Dr. Rumple more

[hexed forge]

Dr. Rumple is a bit insane, so I hope you have fun down there.

https://tenor.com/view/youre-outta-here-bye-kick-gif-15735059

[valid geyser]

Cerato NOOO

Cerato, Rumple WILL sacrifice me to learn lore

[fast forge]

yes, we know

[lethal moat]

Some of you may die…

But that is a sacrifice

[hexed forge]

But its a sacrifice im willing to take..

[lethal moat]

I am willing to make

[hexed forge]

Thats the point

[fast forge]

I saw that movie in theaters on opening day

[valid geyser]

You can’t get me in this corner
It has uh…….
It’s…
Look you cross this line and lore VANISHES.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-bear-spongebob-safety-anti-sea-bear-circle-spongebob-funny-gif-8782259290133626566

[hexed forge]

LOL THAT GIF IS PERFECTION

[valid geyser]

BAHAHA

[hexed forge]

Im going to be awake for the next 12 hours. I hope theres going to be lore talk in here to keep me entertained

[valid geyser]

…..
Why.
Don’t you have the same time zone as me-
Why are you staying awake that long.

[hexed forge]

Im part of a 9 hour trip that starts at 11

[valid geyser]

I see..

[hexed forge]

Will be lots of fun

[lethal moat]

If you don’t sleep on trips whenever you aren’t driving, you’re crazy

Also, I typically stay up for another 8-10 hours from now, so we’ll see what sort of wack theories we can figure out

[hexed forge]

I would sleep if the trip is during the day, if its at night. Hell no, im staying up all night long. I love trips that are at nighttime.

[lethal moat]

But then you can’t see stuff out the windows, that seems counterintuitive

[hexed forge]

The lights

The lights are hypnotizing

[lethal moat]

Also, please don’t evade the automod

[lethal moat]

Fair

[hexed forge]

👍

[lethal moat]

And now to wrap it back around to on topic with Big Rig

Gateway needs better roads

[hexed forge]

Big rigs were likely used to transport supply crates, cages, and other stuff.

[hexed forge]

Eh-

I think some roads are good.

If you look at the roads from a resupply point to the nearest GUTS entrance, they are pretty good.

But then there is also the fact that- The map isnt finished.

[lethal moat]

Mhm

But also

Paved mountain road like that one old concept would be nice

[fast forge]

ehhh, there are plenty of big rocks right in the middle of some

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[fast forge]

might be intentional, I dunno

[hexed forge]

Im not sure if Gateway's terrain supports that idea

[fast forge]

fallen trees and rolled boulders would make sense if the roads and trails haven't had maintenance

[hexed forge]

Rolled boulders wouldnt make sense if its not near a cliff or a hill

[fast forge]

I agree, but I think most of them are

I've never really checked, but I can't really remember any in open ground

[hexed forge]

But then yet again #isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

WHAT

[hexed forge]

WHAT?

The camera being removed in the future

Hopefully placed in another location in the future

[acoustic osprey]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

In the future?

[hexed forge]

It's not in the game right now, we checked all the human structures

It was removed

[valid geyser]

If either of my theories turn out true I will laugh

[hexed forge]

Yeah but then you will be sent to tartarus

[valid geyser]

Uh oh

[lethal moat]

How come you guys never threaten me with Tartarus, yall just call me Dr. Rumple, which is entirely inaccurate

[valid geyser]

And why am I being threatened with Tartarus

[lethal moat]

Tbf you do deserve it

[valid geyser]

Because you want to be sent there Rumple

[valid geyser]

WHAT.
Why.
I’m innocent

[valid geyser]

Rumple don’t further prove my point

[lethal moat]

Also, depending in how intelligent gen 1 are, and if the replicator still watches through cameras, this could already be out of date

[valid geyser]

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[valid geyser]

Hrmmm

[hexed forge]

No you are not

[valid geyser]

Sure I am

[hexed forge]

insert quetz incident004

[valid geyser]

WELL
HEY NOW
THATS
you said we don’t SPEAK of that

[lethal moat]

Are you the reason the drone quetz crashed?

[hexed forge]

He probably is

[lethal moat]

That was expensive

[hexed forge]

My road trip has started. Time to talk about lore for the next 10 hours

[valid geyser]

Hrrgghghhl quetz

[lethal moat]

Binge the podcast and bring up any ideas you have contesting things said or new ideas you have

[hexed forge]

I didn't bring my earbuds and I don't think my parents will listen to a podcast about funny dino game

[hexed forge]

Alright, so on the note of the camera being removed.

This should mean that the camera was retrieved, but, does it connect to the video descriptions? Was the allo video referencing the camera being retrieved in the description

And, it was moved to an archive

So possibly archive 7 is way more than just a server room.

Physical storage room

[acoustic osprey]

Well
Not really "in the future" then
If it happened now

[acoustic osprey]

Doesn't really confirm or deny

[hexed forge]

Yes yes

[acoustic osprey]

As we dont really know the "aspects" between the process

As it only refers to the file being moved to Archive 7

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

ARCHIVE

[hexed forge]

Wah oh, my internet is going crazy

[lethal moat]

Could be an acronym?

[acoustic osprey]

Potentially...

[hexed forge]

I doubt

[acoustic osprey]

We know GUTS isn't acronymed witu G.U.T.S.

Either they just like capitalising their things
Or it might be an acronym

Wouldn't change what it is though

[hexed forge]

Hm

[lethal moat]

Might capitalize proper nouns in order to make sure you know what it is on legal documents, especially if terms they use are actual words

[acoustic osprey]

Like GUTS are still the guts of Gateway
And TOMB being referred to as just Tomb (iirc on stream Don inferred it being like a Tomb)

[lethal moat]

Compared it to library of Alexandria

[acoustic osprey]

Even though it's not needed
It might just be an aspect to say "this thing is important"

[acoustic osprey]

Tomb of information

[lethal moat]

It’s been purged

[hexed forge]

Related to EIPs also

[lethal moat]

We might be able to scavenge something from the wreckage if we find it in game, but it also could be a storytelling thing, rather than a hidden trove of information

[acoustic osprey]

like Alexandria!

[lethal moat]

Sadly, yes

[acoustic osprey]

that'd be interesting
we could see how EIPs are - physically or via code... however they are

[lethal moat]

Gimmie

What if Ben is the only survivor of the purge (RIP my boi Augustus)

[hexed forge]

But would we find him in the TOMB?

[acoustic osprey]

depends on how physical TOMB's assets are

[hexed forge]

I think it would be just a bunch of information on EIPs, all the tests that were done to them, etc.

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

I really REALLY hate phone typing

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassicpark-jurassic-parc-jurassic-jurassic-park-movie-jurrassic-park-gif-24925923

[hexed forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

tell me about it lol

[hexed forge]

So likely just a bunch of vats

OR

He wasn't referencing TOMB when replying, Don was just saying

"Yeah, that exists and is planned"

[lethal moat]

Was at one point a bunch of empty vats

[acoustic osprey]

i doubt EIPs would be a bunch of vats though

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

if anything
animals that have been connected to EIPs? Sure

[lethal moat]

The TOMB doesn’t just need to be one thing does it?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[hexed forge]

Could be a massive facility with various tasks and contain many different things

[lethal moat]

Could be

[hexed forge]

If it's an acronym, it could potentially be a massive thing

[lethal moat]

Library of Alexandria held a lot of things, I’d say the Tomb likely has a ton of information, potentially even a central data center for the islands and/or tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

TOMB is definitely an acronym, we know of it

we used to think it was just The Tomb

i believe it was that Don stream that confirmed it was an acronym

^

[hexed forge]

Then what's the Archive.

Just a bunch of files and objects? Just minor stuff compared to what the TOMB contains.

[acoustic osprey]

well
at least, to what we know, contains files

[lethal moat]

Could potentially be a subsection underneath the TOMB?

Organization and whatnot

[acoustic osprey]

or above or houses such

[lethal moat]

Might even line up with the artifacting and the purge

[acoustic osprey]

would make sense
an ARCHIVE (or one of the ARCHIVEs) holding a TOMB

[hexed forge]

TOMB could be only restricted to people with higher authority, while Archives are what everyday normal employees use

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

Could be

[acoustic osprey]

like the Jedi Library

[hexed forge]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Especially since the dibble footage was used for training footage

[hexed forge]

Mhmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

was it?

[lethal moat]

If it’s not in the archives, it doesn’t exist!
The clone army millions strong: Am I a joke to you?

[lethal moat]

Field guide https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1228900862395547739/Field_Guide_MEDIA_PLAYER.png?ex=6699d51d&is=6698839d&hm=c312f86aa98ccf9d0ca44d447bdf7a4c23c9af307d945d87f2c3855f5ae21502&

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-ready-to-go-helmet-squad-gif-16327669

[acoustic osprey]

ah true

[fast forge]

this

[hexed forge]

So, the archives are connected to TOMB,

Makes me wonder if they were purged along with the TOMB
OR
Purging the TOMB disrupted the archives.

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

It’s definitely not bad that I thought of this from a RussianBadger video

[lethal moat]

It isn’t confirmed the archives are connected to the tomb, just possible

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-i-just-read-reading-samuel-johnson-joshua-reynolds-reaction-gif-14997728

[hexed forge]

I know

Just making a theory..

A game the- mysteriously disappears and banished to tartarus

[valid geyser]

Sorry I dragged Cerato down with me

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/swarm-the-hunger-games-mockingjay-part2-attacking-horde-mutts-gif-16225271

[acoustic osprey]

I found this book

[hexed forge]

What book

[acoustic osprey]

Potentially

[hexed forge]

Potentially

Damn I really hoped for a roadmap today.. it has been 1 year since the old one..

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

Oh wow

[acoustic osprey]

Soon

[hexed forge]

That's nice

[hexed forge]

TM

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

Is there any lore to talk about

Why is there a random tower in east plains

Someone pull up the old gateway concept

[acoustic osprey]

not till we think of it

[valid geyser]

Why.. d….di

Diabloceratops for the injection thing

[hexed forge]

There is no why

Just a new herbivore that AE made for testing

[lethal moat]

“New” being 36 generations

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-homelander-mk1-thumbs-up-antony-starr-gif-16785599914112622767

[hexed forge]

A smaller ceratopsian made for testing, fills in the gap between ava and trike

[hexed forge]

Exactly-

More than half of them died in testing

Or they literally didn't hatch at all.

[lethal moat]

Also, most of them died before making it all the way across the island iirc

[hexed forge]

South plains was hell for them

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1229174325744242758/Diabloceratops_Migration_Data_Short_Gif.gif?ex=6699824c&is=669830cc&hm=acf84e693fd98f3ade48cd6b1459ad5b4a38a8d95d65bef53ec238db34e2a494&

Looks like East plains was even less kind

[hexed forge]

They didn't even get to east plains.. what are you talking about

[fast forge]

F36 doesn't imply the previous generations died in testing or anything. They could have lived long lives in cow pens for all we know (except maybe the first injection)

[hexed forge]

Most died in swamps and in the south plains region. Some in swamps

[lethal moat]

That stretch where they walk towards east plains

[fast forge]

this is not the full version
sec

[hexed forge]

I don't see it

[lethal moat]

Thanks tiny

[fast forge]

I just left out the final frames because they are so hard to see

[hexed forge]

I still don't see them in east plains

[lethal moat]

They move towards it

[fast forge]

they stop kinda north of east dome, near east plains but not in it

[hexed forge]

But they weren't in it

[hexed forge]

I like calling that area central plains

[lethal moat]

I misspoke one time

[fast forge]

this is much easier to read than the gif version, as you can control it with arrow keys

but they def stop north of the east dome

[hexed forge]

And they all die there to the allo pack

[fast forge]

maybe, we don't know

it doesn't record them dying, the final frames have the same number of survivors

[hexed forge]

I was making a joke

[fast forge]

forgive my autism

[fast forge]

this is a fun and interesting conjecture if taken seriously
you could say the allo pair was stalking them, found the remains from the omni attack and knew this herd was weakened

[lethal moat]

I refuse to believe that the dibblet siblings died

[hexed forge]

Hmm, the herd seemed to be long gone by the time the allos got there, so I'm not sure. Let me check the times

Oh yeah it was a full day before the allos got there

So..eh..

[fast forge]

yes, but they are stalking them, the dibbles aren't running away or anything, just gradually migrating

a hunt can last for days

slowly catching up to the prey, and then watching them to find the perfect moment to strike

[hexed forge]

But then the herd literally stopped for like a week straight

[fast forge]

after nesting?

[hexed forge]

No, during the nesting period.

[fast forge]

yeah that was before the allos caught their trail

[hexed forge]

Hmm

So they didn't start stalking before they found the dead Dibble body. Now that could make sense

[fast forge]

ye

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

they were attracted by the kill, and any predator with a sense of smell would be able to tell that a group of dibbles had nested there

[hexed forge]

Midnight.. no lore..

[lethal moat]

Tell me
What is the replicator

[fast forge]

It's the friendship we made along the way

[hexed forge]

Alright so, it replicates bodies and perhaps the mind.. well. Replicates EIPs. Andd that's all

[fast forge]

It replicates your dinner

[hexed forge]

Exactly

[acoustic osprey]

To be fair
I hope the replicator doesn't do EIPs

[lethal moat]

What does it mean to replicator

[lethal moat]

I’d be fine if it does

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator giving the body
Something else gives the mind

Or at least
Replicator needs a profile ready to inject the mind

[fast forge]

I dunno, maybe it's half alligator

[hexed forge]

How would Augustus replications be able to learn how to climb without the mind of the Augustus EIP

[lethal moat]

I think that’s also just as likely

[acoustic osprey]

Social

[hexed forge]

Wha

[fast forge]

y'know
replicator
alligator
I'll see myself out...

[acoustic osprey]

Or such behavioural action happens through sci-fi aspect with the physical brain

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[lethal moat]

Animals come preprogrammed with the instinct to climb?

[hexed forge]

I see

[fast forge]

this is true
IRL

[acoustic osprey]

Depends
Either Augustus taught them
Or it's biologically linked with the mind

[hexed forge]

How would Augustus teach them

[acoustic osprey]

No idea
Not a neurologist

So I have no idea on how instinct plays with the brain

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
How a parent would

[fast forge]

Our society puts too many conceptual walls between the body and mind. They are intertwined

[lethal moat]

Tiny, giveth your biologist wisdom

[lethal moat]

Facts

[hexed forge]

And how would it be biologically linked with the mind if you don't replicate the mind

[acoustic osprey]

Brain, not mind

[fast forge]

There are definitely behaviors that are genetically coded, and not taught

[lethal moat]

Who you are and the physical structure of your brain is the same thing, depending on who you asked

[fast forge]

Even in humans - we have extremely fast reactions to snakes and spiders, for example

[lethal moat]

Which is where we get into dino holy war drama

[acoustic osprey]

Still
I'd also include time, events and experience do make who you are as well

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

All of which alter the physical structure of your brain

[acoustic osprey]

However, how your brain is constructed may definitely affect your process and how you deal with such

[acoustic osprey]

In some sense, I suppose so

[fast forge]

The human mind is a bizarre composite of physical organization, electrical signalling, and chemical signalling (this one perhaps more important than the electricity, I've heard)

[fast forge]

absolutely

[lethal moat]

Since I’m of the opinion that you are the sum of your physical parts, I believe that the replicator could play a strong role in inserting EIPs into bodies, since the replicator makes those physical bodies

[acoustic osprey]

Crazy to think how things like hormones really do change how you act and the like

[lethal moat]

https://preview.redd.it/xfyfzsxxtr301.jpg?auto=webp&s=0662e4dee9db985a7176f76c1daf90cd4a32de97

[fast forge]

I can speak firsthand on that

[acoustic osprey]

Don't realise how delicate your mind is until you've broken it in any way

[fast forge]

or even altered it
broken implies a machine, but a mind is more than just that

[acoustic osprey]

Fair
Broken implies normality

[fast forge]

yes, no natural or neutral state, just various states with some being more common than others

[lethal moat]

The brain is both very fluid and very fragile

[acoustic osprey]

What is normality but a forced group of similarity upon others

[fast forge]

the middle of a bell curve

[hexed forge]

Fair to say that the lore people don't have an average brain

[lethal moat]

Sleep is brain’s neutral setting?

[acoustic osprey]

Even then
That's still a pretty linear aspect

[fast forge]

I've been told I'm smart many times in my life, but I know I'm smart enough to know that I'm not nearly as smart as some people

[lethal moat]

It’s all about presentation

[acoustic osprey]

Ok Megamind!!

[fast forge]

I try to stay humble, but speak out when I think it is prudent

[lethal moat]

Ew

New one

[fast forge]

I mean, I am

[lethal moat]

Begone

Imma get a better gif rq

[fast forge]

is that from the tv show?

I haven't seen either of them but I heard the show was bad

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-party-dance-jam-turn-up-gif-4559767

[lethal moat]

The first one is good, I never bothered with the second

[acoustic osprey]

Why did you do that...

[hexed forge]

I missed the scam link?

[acoustic osprey]

All terrible

Only the movie is good

[hexed forge]

What TV show, what did I miss!

[lethal moat]

We went down a philosophical rabbit hole, now I’m going to bring up a new one
Ship of thesius argument with EIPs, begin

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Gross megamind money grab

[hexed forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly
Theseus fits in a few ways with EIPs

[hexed forge]

Ok I might not be able to last the night, I'm slowly falling asleep. The car is like a perfect place for my brain to decide to go sleep.. idk why

[lethal moat]

Anyway, if an EIP is fundamentally a person’s mind in a different body, I don’t believe that it’s the same as wherever that EIP originated from

[lethal moat]

Because it’s sleepy time

[hexed forge]

Elaborate on ship of thesius. Because I don't know what that is in mythology, if that even is a mythology...

[lethal moat]

I’m trying to remember Theseus’s story, but I keep mixing it up with Odysseus and Jason’s, could you refresh me?

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

(His ship)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-heavy-tf2-uncertain-gif-19368937

[lethal moat]

Just the ship I remember

[fast forge]

It's the idea that if you slowly replace all of the parts of a ship, is it still the same ship?

[acoustic osprey]

Ship
Fix ship with new wood
Over a few years, the ship has been replaced with all new wood

Is it the same ship?

[lethal moat]

Basically, if there is a ship, and you replace parts as they’re needed, a board rots away, rope needs replaced, etc, at what point does the original ship become not the original ship

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[fast forge]

[hexed forge]

A renovated ship that has the frame of the old ship

[acoustic osprey]

There is no right or wrong answer
Just comes down to your opinion

[acoustic osprey]

Not renovated
Completely different (new) parts

[lethal moat]

I’m of the opinion that the second you make any changes to the ship, it is no longer the same ship, and I don’t believe EIPs are the person they once were

[hexed forge]

So it's a new ship

[acoustic osprey]

But that's the thing
It's the same frame work
Same people inside
Same name
Same captain

[hexed forge]

The EIP just starts to act like an actual dinosaur?

[hexed forge]

A new ship that was built around an older blueprint

[acoustic osprey]

Do you believe the skin of a human is the only thing that makes you unique/you?

[hexed forge]

No

[acoustic osprey]

If we remove your mind
Is it still you?

[hexed forge]

Hm

[acoustic osprey]

See

It comes down to opinion and thoughts

No real right or wrong answer

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

But people will always have their sides

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-lenny-leonard-listening-interested-attentive-gif-4574713

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[fast forge]

I think if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck

[acoustic osprey]

This is why things like EIPs have many "Theseus' ship" aspects to it

[fast forge]

The downloadable mind is a fairly old sci fi concept, I imagine

[acoustic osprey]

What's the point that makes "X" thing no longer "X" thing?

[acoustic osprey]

I can imagine it
Especially with things like automatons

[fast forge]

This is a big question in the study of evolution
Do you define a new species by morphological (bodily) change?
Genetic change?
Incompatibility in breeding?

All of these don't apply to some organisms

[acoustic osprey]

Humans and ordering things is such a fun aspect
Because we have only existed for so long
We cannot truly grasp the grand picture of things

Especially with evolution
We can only understand so much due to our limited time on earth

[fast forge]

For microbes, they can pass packets of genetic information to each other, even when they are absolutely completely unrelated to each other

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it's similar to how we can describe early migratory peoples on the earth and their DNA

Like with Australian Aboriginals
And the peoples (forgot their names) who live in northern Japan

[fast forge]

Yes I've had this personal theory that I like to call the "Theory of Boxes"
See we use boxes to define our world, and make it understandable
But the Theory of Boxes says that by placing a concept within a box, we are inherently limiting it
And a true understanding is that we can only use boxes as tools to better approximate the reality of a thing, but never quite grasp it

[fast forge]

(Ainu people)

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, thank you

On phone so I can barely search things up

But they share a very old and unrelated blood from "typical" south Asian peoples

[fast forge]

I took an interest in that culture at one point, and know some japanese, so it's not hard to recall

Yes they are more akin to far northeastern people of modern-day Russia

with some relation to the native peoples of north america

[acoustic osprey]

Think it definitely comes because we see in linear, in many ways

Hard to describe the 4th dimension while existing in the 3rd, basically

[fast forge]

yeah

[lethal moat]

That’s a beipi

I wonder if “the fall” of gateway is a comparison to the Titanomachy

[hexed forge]

The titanomachy was the war of where the titans were defeated by the Olympians right?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[hexed forge]

So how does that fall into gateway being abandoned?

[lethal moat]

Ruling powers at be being replaced by their creations

Or, as a different option, the transition of one ruler to several or vice versa within AE’s leadership

[hexed forge]

Well that depends on what caused gateway to be abandoned

[hexed forge]

We don't know much about the leadership yet

[lethal moat]

We know there is first one, then the other (in terms of a group of people as leaders vs one leader)

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat your fav heli spotted

[fossil nebula]

chinooks are pretty cool

Its a original american design

[fast forge]

like me

[lethal moat]

That’s not a blackhawk

[hexed forge]

But didn't you like the Chinooks

[lethal moat]

I do, but they aren’t my favorite

[median shuttle]

yall think the hunting lodge could be a different biome than gateway? maybe more temperate?

[lethal moat]

Could be

[median shuttle]

maybe even in the bering strait somewhere. a frozen map

[acoustic osprey]

Would love it

[terse hawk]

The Isle is being run by susy bakas

[terse hawk]

The Isle is like the movie

jurassic park

They make dinos

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[lethal moat]

Dinosaurs are made by an ai called the replicator

[terse hawk]

Then why are humans on the island

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-iron-man-gif-14282225

https://tenor.com/view/gg-meme-dank-cursed-khat-gif-21280690

[lethal moat]

Those playable aren’t technically human and are also potentially made by the replicator, but humans do also exist

[fast forge]

not humans, Gen 1

[lethal moat]

Are gen 1 human tho

That is the question

[fast forge]

If it quacks like a duck
#isle-lore-theories message

I'd say yes

[lethal moat]

If gen 1 were to get an EIP, they may have many more tools at their disposal to behave more human

[acoustic osprey]

that depends, honestly

this goes into more Sci-fi now

but how does the mind and the brain relate in The Isle?

we know the brain inately affects your mind, which if anything, is just a mixture of your conscious (your inner mind) and your actions (your outter mind, your physicality of the mind)

how do you insert your mind into a creature then?
What happens with the brain of such creature?

you cannot simply put a human brain in a creature - especially a creature smaller or larger than a human

how does the brain of the creature change the perspection of the mind of the EIP?

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

if anything
humanoid is their best description

removing the philosophy of it all
Gen1s, out of both Gen1s and 2s, are the least human

if human is a spectrum of "whats similar"
Gen1 is definitely an outlier, like with apes and monkeys

I'd say they're more inately human though than such

but they're defintiely not human human

[lethal moat]

They could be human, but still have the desire to kill and serve the replicator, in which you just made a more intelligent gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

but still have the desire to kill and serve the replicator
what difference is this from normal humans - especially those of the past, though?

[lethal moat]

Mhm

Humans are still, fundamentally, animals, just really intelligent ones, the line is blurry when it comes to “this is wrong but it still chooses to do it” because people do it anyways all the time

[acoustic osprey]

heck
even intelligence is arguable
We just share evolved aspects in the brain for our social need over the past thousands of years

and even then
we're almost always unable to label right or wrong, yes or no, to anything

but the earth is our sandbox

truly comes down to the greater power, to whom decides what is what

[lethal moat]

I’m mainly referring to the ability to o something with malicious intent, a more intelligent gen 1 might theoretically be able to have more complex mechanisms in order to get to whatever goal they have, or even use the more social aspect of human nature to either use other gen 1 or prey on them

[lethal moat]

Just because something is more human doesn’t mean that it’s more merciful or less brutal

[acoustic osprey]

maybe that's what makes humans more human

the innate ability of ignoring survival or running because of some risk

because you can

[lethal moat]

Willpower?

[acoustic osprey]

"freedom" of choice

at least
the idea of some sort of "advanced" conscious

[lethal moat]

Belief in something greater than your own immediate gratification/the concept of sacrifice

[valid geyser]

To what level do you think Gen 1 understands health and injuries and such

Like is it simple and “you’re hurt so put this on/rest” or something simple like that

Or is it a more primitive less wordy version of the medieval ages where
“Oh you have a headache? Have this nonsense cure”

[lethal moat]

Sacrifice two rabbits to the replicator

[valid geyser]

Lost an arm?
Sacrificing an Omni can fix that.

[lethal moat]

I lost both my legs, Dave is getting pushed in the pit