isle-lore-theories

[grand sigil]

If Gateway is abandoned (Which I think it is?) it would be neat to see bugged/glitched artificial atmosphere control domes

Like, jungle trees but with frost and icicles, out of place stuff

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah, would be cool

Although I will say, we do know that a botany sector is not planned for gateway currently, so it may not have as much to do with that side of environmental stuff

[grand sigil]

Even though this wasn't much, this has so far been the best discussion I've had in Islecord

[patent ginkgo]

One of the more productive and interesting lore convos recently

[grand sigil]

Aw

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah…

Though it sounds like Don wants a botany sector somewhere still

[grand sigil]

Probably on another lore/story/canon map

The reason why I always say canon maps is because I kind of want them to do a "spinoff" map or something at some point
A map that doesn't mean anything for the main lore of the game

[patent ginkgo]

Mods probably, I doubt they’d do more work than necessary for the game

[grand sigil]

Fair

It's just that I don't trust the concept of modders modding The Isle
Like, it feels like it would be so easy to corrupt with unfitting and low effort stuff

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah…

[grand sigil]

I'm not saying I don't want modding, I'm saying I don't want modders

[patent ginkgo]

Hopefully dev moderation of mods will have an effect

[patent ginkgo]

lol

[grand sigil]

I want modding to be like SCP writers, where they stick to the main thing and don't deviate in terms of content/themes/effort

That might be a bad example but whatever

I just hope it doesn't turn into Garry's Mod

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah I hope the same

Imagine an Apollo Files mod

[hybrid wagon]

Which is a shame gateway could suit some freaky looking plants imo

[patent ginkgo]

Ghost plant but more horrifying would be a really cool concept

Not the succulent, the parasite

Aka ghost pipe

[lethal moat]

Mycorrhiza neuro plant when

[fast forge]

mycorrhizae are not neurological!

This is like saying "muscular plant when"

[lethal moat]

Right, but it’s close enough that neuro strain could make some interesting changes

[fast forge]

close enough?

silly

[lethal moat]

I’m not smort

[fast forge]

it's sci-fi so I can't say it's impossible, but it's far far far from realistic

Would it be cool? Sure. Does it conform to any known science? Not at all

Like I'm trying to think of an animal comparison, but every animal from whales to beetles to coral are more closely related than plants, fungi, and animals are to each other

[lethal moat]

My thought was that it already connects things, so neuro would just exasperate that connection

[fast forge]

It's like saying 1930's soviet tech can easily interface with modern american military equipment

[lethal moat]

Fair

[fast forge]

Honestly if you want smart plants, just drop the neurotenic stuff

Plant/fungi dynamics can be easily tweaked in a sci-fi fashion to have smart plants

[lethal moat]

A sort of colonial organisms thing could work as well

[fast forge]

But neurons are very much an animal thing, and many many animals don't have them at all

[fast forge]

It doesn't even have to be this - we already know plants can communicate with each other through underground fungal networks at their roots. And not just chemical communication - there is evidence for some electrical signaling too

[lethal moat]

Isn’t that what mycorrhizae does?

Or did google lie to me

[fast forge]

yeah that's what I was referring to

[lethal moat]

Lets go, the internet told the truth

[fast forge]

To be fair to the science, the biggest role for mycorrhizae is soil nitrogen fixation, communication is probably secondary

[hexed forge]

Also, i think we missed something in the AUGUSTUS Video..

This part specifically

What if in that section, AUGUSTUS was replicated after showing that anomalous behavior, without even needing to be captured.

This would kind of make sense if you think about it, they replicate AUGUSTUS and do some testing on it in Tartarus, to see if the climbing ability is possible with other specimens. And then boom, it turns out that its possible to replicate that behavior.

And then they either captured or saw through cameras that AUGUSTUS offsprings were able to do the same thing.

And then after they were sure thats its possible to replicate. They entomb Augustus after.

But now that I think about it, does it really make sense? Im not sure.

[hexed forge]

Also its important to note that, the DECISION was made to entomb it.

Meaning at the current time, specifically 4 PM. Augustus was not yet entombed.

Making it possible for the herrera we see on live footage to be Augustus

@acoustic osprey What do you think

[lethal moat]

Looking nice

[fast forge]

We know they had made the decision by that point, but it's ambiguous whether entombment had happened already. The presence of a date suggest the decision was an event on a previous day, but we don't know

[hexed forge]

Wdym by previous day, in reports there is no "Today, Tomarrow, etc" so dates are placed no matter the day related to a person.

I could say something today, and it would be marked as 5/21/2024. Not "Today"

[fast forge]

Sure, but why jump through logical hoops to try to fit all these events on the same day? It's much easier to just say we don't know

The simple fact that the two lines are separate, and each are dated, suggests they were done on different days

[hexed forge]

They could be yes! Thats what I was saying yesterday.

.

It would count as two different days but still be under 24 hours.

[hexed forge]

But also, simply saying "We dont know" is just lazy
This channel would be as dead as death valley if we just said "I dont know" to every single thing.

We have to think of some logical ways to fill some gaps

[fast forge]

You just really seem to be pushing for it all to happen in 24 hours, and it doesn't seem to serve any purpose, or be supported by the information we have

Having both herreras be the same individual gains us nothing for theories

[hexed forge]

There is a purpose, trying to explain how there is a likely chance of the herrera on the Live being AUGUSTUS

[fast forge]

and?

Does that enable some larger theory?

[hexed forge]

So we just have to overlook everything if its not connected to anything big

[fast forge]

I just don't see much evidence to support this, and it doesn't gain us anything, so I'm kinda done rehashing this conversation we had yesterday

[hexed forge]

I gave you a lot of evidence

I dont know if its my explanation that is going wrong or something else.

[fast forge]

Show me any evidence to support the idea both pieces of footage show the same animal. All you've got is that they could potentially be the same 24 hour period

[hexed forge]

The text in the video

Augustus was not yet entombed during the time of the live.

[fast forge]

You said it implied that, I don't agree

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

Well it can't be too long
The mcams Augustus broke are still broken at the time of the live

[fast forge]

Yeah but that's still ambiguous, as the turnover for camera repair would depend on a lot of factors

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say overly ambiguous

[fast forge]

Like, I can't say it didn't happen in 24 hours, I just don't understand why I should care

If this is the beginning of a line of logic that leads somewhere interesting I can get on board, but if we are just debating it to have anything to talk about - this is a world with dinosaurs, megaflora, and strains - there are far more interesting subjects

[acoustic osprey]

Yes but this is the isle lore

[fast forge]

Okay, well this is me saying I'm disengaging from this topic because I've talked about it enough

[acoustic osprey]

@hexed forge beginning of the media playback identifies the report goes over two dates

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

Confirmed it for you

[hexed forge]

oh

nice

[acoustic osprey]

Like the very beginning of the slides do

[hexed forge]

So its either 2 days, or its under 24 hours(My theory)

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey Did you.. see the text when loading into the skin creator..

hold up ima record it because I saw some interesting stuff..

Why did it not load as a playable thing reee

[acoustic osprey]

looks like the normal text on the left side

[hexed forge]

System Access Locked
Awaiting User input

Site AE-012
SAT link verified

SYSCHECK error
Network Integrity
Compromised

Electromagnetic
fluctuation detected in Sector 4(H4)?

Warning!
Profile Connection lost

Sector AT-C

Warning: Contingency Protocol Offline

Sector H4
Lockdown Protocol reset

Sector H4
Lockdown protocol reset

REQ. VDOC #47
Fatality investigation report

IDENT
AE-032. TRX 0443
REQ. VA: N/A

Apollo core
ONLINE

Warning!
Gateway Containment Failure

Search query
AE SYSTEM DIRECTORY
SITE I-04 / AE---

Updating island manifest

repeat

CORTEX CORRUPTION LEVEL
WITHIN ACCEPTABLE PARAMETERS

SELECTING TARGET
FOR IMAGING...

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

nothing changed sadly
still uses the same old dino identifier

[hexed forge]

Gateway and H4 stuff isnt new? Damn I thought it was

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
quite old now

[hexed forge]

Damn......

[acoustic osprey]

we always knew gateway was a thing
but we didn't know it'd come like this

but the H4 thing is pretty interesting
Existed back then still
but it's a sure coincedence Don uses H4 within old and new lore

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-andy-bernard-coincidence-gif-25024172

[hexed forge]

H4 has something planned maybe..

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/robbie-rotten-lazytown-reaction-shocked-stefán-karl-stefánsson-gif-19766151

[hexed forge]

I dont think its a coincidence

H4 might have some stuff planned

[acoustic osprey]

I find this funny

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-mc-conaughey-dallas-buyers-club-coincidence-focus15-gif-8603942

[lethal moat]

If something repeats from legacy to Evrima, I refuse to believe it’s coincidence

Granted, it could just be the naming system repeating without significance to whatever is at the actual base

[lethal moat]

Or h4 could be a Neurotenic research facility

Or other things

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of in Evrima? I don't think there's anything really pointing towards it yet

as it seems like H4 is quite basic
albeit, we're yet to learn how the full UI system works with the computer used in the AUGUSTUS video

lack of context, truly

but what we do know is that the computer, specifically, had one incident report (the Augustus video) in it

[grand sigil]

Maybe they're just reworking H4

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say they're reworking Evrima's H4

[grand sigil]

Maybe YOU need reworked!!!!

[acoustic osprey]

if anything, building it in-game
but there's nothing to suggest H4 is being redone

Augustus and the Dibble TCAM video are supposed to be the most finalised "Lore accurate" piece of Lore Video Media we have

i doubt with months of prep and 6 months after release, that he simply want's to redo it.

heck, if anything, that mantle should go to F5
but apparently there's a reasoning to such as well

https://gyazo.com/9b40c1b8b95ec9c04cd0accc0450f48d
easy to overlook though

or just ignore
it also refers to TCAMs as well

which is quite interesting (we only got to see MCAMs)

I wonder how far the range of "local" TCAMs can there be?

this might link up with why it's referred to as F5
but still. The whole F5 is pretty hard to explain from our point of view.

and doesn't really work out

https://gyazo.com/9ed6cf5c8dfaf22c9f2c2e3ff8b6011f
What is interesting, still, as well

is that there seems to be two different hard disks under the same primary master

but I'm presuming the IBX3380 might be the Primary Slave? Rather than Primary Master

[hexed forge]

Would AE tranq there dinos?(Image from my project)

[acoustic osprey]

the IBX4580 being the boot drive

unless it's a mistake and the 3380 is supposed to be the 4580

[hexed forge]

I have absolutely no clue on what F5 would be and how it would make sense in the dibble video

Its the biggest mystery rn I think..

[lethal moat]

F5 is definitely different that that graph we were shown in the dibble video

[spiral elbow]

Speaking from experience, some zoo animals are knocked down for procedures and transports even if they are not trained, so i can imagine reasonably large dinosaurs being tranquilized for various reasons. like you’re gonna want to make sure the large ceratopsian doesn’t gore the people trying to move it

[hexed forge]

Alr

[tiny cypress]

I have a basic, short theory that my friend made.

Not as good as the box, but here it is

The dinosaurs were created to bypass animal testing laws since they technically don't really exist.

[lethal moat]

Could be

But we don’t really know “why dinosaurs”, it’s one of the big questions we won’t really know until the end.

[tiny cypress]

"They gave the herrerasaurus steroids and it learned to climb." That was his thinking.

[lethal moat]

Eh, it seems herrera was accidental and was replicated afterwards, so it was a discovery that the decided to keep, rather than an intentional design

Replicator doing replicator things

[tiny cypress]

Good point

My theory is that there was literally no reason for them to create the dinos, it just kinda happened and they rolled with it.

[lethal moat]

The dinosaurs are “unfortunate but necessary” but what they’re necessary for is a weird question, so I think it was intentional from the beginning

[tiny cypress]

I may have forgotten about that part

[patent ginkgo]

We also know that there are “few steps between plants and dinosaurs” and that dinosaurs are actually fairly early on in AEs timeline

[tiny cypress]

I'll come up with an actual theory eventually but as far as I've gotten I still know next to nothing

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[patent ginkgo]

Your mind shall grow, continue learning and someday you might understand even less than you thought you did

[lethal moat]

That’s how it is though

[tiny cypress]

Literally all I know is that the dinos weren't planned at the start and that herras don't usually climb

But even that could be wrong

[patent ginkgo]

Have you looked through the pinned documents here?

[tiny cypress]

Nope. I have to have a mental battle to read anything that isn't a physical book.

The pages consume me

[lethal moat]

We have a podcast if you prefer that

[tiny cypress]

REALLY?!

[patent ginkgo]

Can’t wait for the giant crabs to be in game

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

I want to see people get sucked under the sand

[tiny cypress]

So did they just super-size everything?

[lethal moat]

They made giant plants and a containment leak led to giant crabs by accident

[tiny cypress]

How do plants
Equal crustacean

[patent ginkgo]

Hyper strain perhaps

[lethal moat]

We called it ‘proto hyper strain’ in the last episode

[tiny cypress]

So the plants had a thing in them that made the crabs big when they ate it?

[patent ginkgo]

Maybe

[acoustic osprey]

Or there's more than meets the eye
I don't believe it's a seperate location on the map- the actual "GW_F5"
But I do believe there's something missing, from our lens, that we may see in future videos

[tiny cypress]

I love this game

[patent ginkgo]

The lore is certainly very fun

[lethal moat]

I have a love hate relationship at times

[acoustic osprey]

doesn't seem like they ate them
but they likely drank the leakage that would've caused the plants to become bigger

we're not too sure with the terminology
Lack of context on AE's behalf, due to minimal wording from Don

does it really matter on what way it entered the crabs? Not really

maybe they thought it was a leakage problem? and it was actually the crabs eating the plants

or maybe it was an actual leakage. I wonder when we'll get the hard AE reports on such

[lethal moat]

It got out and made crabs lorge

[tiny cypress]

Then it can't be something like a modified growth hormones because it would have to be one common to plant, crabs, and reptiles, right?

[patent ginkgo]

So clearly something that can effect both plants and animals, which is interesting

[acoustic osprey]

depends on how sci-fi you wanna go, specifically how much sci-fi realism you want

[lethal moat]

Or clarke’s third law

[patent ginkgo]

Plants have hormones

[tiny cypress]

Maybe it changed how growth works in the things instead of enhancing the preexisting growth stuff

[acoustic osprey]

but lack a proper endocrine system

[patent ginkgo]

Which potentially puts a stop in the “hyper(endocrine)” idea

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
it still could be related to Hyperendocrins
but I doubt whatever was leaked wasn't the Hyperendocrin strain

if anything
something pseudo
affecting the soil, most likely, for the plants

[tiny cypress]

Like how things got big when there was a lot of oxygen, what if the goop-of-dubious-origin made it so something much more abundant or lack of something that used to be abundant causes that same type of bigness stuff

[lethal moat]

They should release the giant crabs without telling us

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!

[tiny cypress]

And make them murderous!

[lethal moat]

I believe that’s the plan

[tiny cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-trap-hobbit-gif-18715035

The sand!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-they-will-never-find-the-body-gif-9141996

[lethal moat]

Deino style jumpscares on land will be refreshing

[grand sigil]

(It will be incredibly easy to see and hear coming)

[tiny cypress]

tis the scuttling of the great ones

[robust ether]

wait, I thought the crabs we're in universe but not in game? I can't tell if that's sarcastic lol.

[tiny cypress]

One can hope

[lethal moat]

Dondi talked about it on stream

[fast forge]

actually, they exist

[fast forge]

surprisingly, I looked into it and plants and animals share a number of basic growth hormones

[acoustic osprey]

referring to, specifically, the endocrine system though

[fast forge]

idk I'm no endocrinologist

I think it's mostly cell proliferation

[lethal moat]

I don’t care about the science just tell me which of these flavorful juices to drink to give me big muscles

[fast forge]

none of them, they all give cancer

have fun

[tiny cypress]

One that's common among plants, crabs, and dinosaurs?

[lethal moat]

Can't be worse than the McNuggets

[umbral patrol]

Nuggets are delicious

[lethal moat]

So are baby stegos

[umbral patrol]

WOW

reported for your abuse of stegglies

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wanna-see-me-do-it-again-gif-14496504

[hexed forge]

Howdy

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1218426353314037760/8jfrsn.gif

I just realized there is a sign on the gun, what does it say. Its too f fast for my eyes

[fossil nebula]

Colt M1911

[hexed forge]

Ah

[grand sigil]

The end IS near

[iron anchor]

fu

[snow meadow]

damn wtf

[fast forge]

okay I was a bit incorrect: plant hormones also affect animals, but they aren't found in animals naturally

[robust ether]

Why do y'all think hazmat suits seem sorta prevalent?

I've been thinking about it a bit recently and can't really come to anything logical with my lore knowledge

[lethal moat]

Protecc

[fast forge]

I wouldn't be surprised if Gateway has both nuclear material and biohazards

[snow meadow]

someone posted sex bot link

[lethal moat]

I see

[robust ether]

understandable. 👍

[snow meadow]

yea lol

[fast forge]

I don't know if it's canon or just fanart, but neurotenics are often pictured with individuals wearing hazmat

[robust ether]

Really?

Didn't know that.

[fast forge]

oh yeah. once again it might just be a fanart thing

[robust ether]

I wonder how that'd help (ignoring that its porbably a fanart thing)

well i guess if its made of rubber?

But would you really need a whole suit of rubber or would boots be enough

[fast forge]

If the neuros have transmissible elements or carry diseases, yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Neuro goo

[meager junco]

NEURO GOO

[robust ether]

[fast forge]

Depends on the transmission vector. If it's aerosolized you'd need an airtight suit

[robust ether]

ahh you're right

[fast forge]

Also if it's a liquid that might get spread easily

[robust ether]

a neuro sneezes on you and then fries your brain instantly

[fast forge]

The basic geneticists working in a lab probably use a lower level of PPE - hairnet, face mask, gown, gloves

(Okay I gotta go put on a hairnet, face mask, gown, and gloves to go shave some mice :D)

[robust ether]

woo

[fast forge]

break is over

[robust ether]

mouse shaving

[fast forge]

well we use Nair

[robust ether]

oh, i would've assumed mouse skin would be more sensitive

[fast forge]

yeah you gotta be careful or they get burned

[fast forge]

I wonder if AE uses nuclear power, or if they solved fission

[snow jasper]

Geothermal energy

[fast forge]

probably at least that, yeah

[snow jasper]

I dont think nuclear energy is something AE would want to deal with, especially when it comes to the nuclear waste
But if they did use it, it could come with some more interesting stuff than say tidal, solar or geothermal energy

[lethal moat]

I left like 2 hours ago, we’re still on nuclear energy?

I think the dam should provide more than what’s needed for the island, and it’s renewable with zero waste, it seems like the best option we know of, and like Rün said, the waste and the potential of a meltdown would be a pretty bad situation

[fast forge]

oh yeah, I didn't think of the dam

I still wanna say they use some small nuclear generators because they are cool

[lethal moat]

The troodon in the distance is holding a small thing glowing bright green

[fast forge]

troodon in the distance?

[lethal moat]

You only see it because it’s glowing

[fast forge]

what troodon?

where?

in art somewhere?

[lethal moat]

It’s a hypothetical

[fast forge]

oh you are just making up a scenario

I thought you were referencing something

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-wish-i-wish-i-could-hazbin-hotel-angeldust-gif-25227577

[fast forge]

So does the replicator have it's own goals?

[lethal moat]

I think it’s just following instructions it was given

[fast forge]

gotcha

I just realized, it could totally make diseases, right?

I mean we don't know it's programming, but I just mean hypothetically

[lethal moat]

Probably

[fast forge]

I suppose that it really just depends on how the replicator replicates

Interesting to consider that if the replicator has any kind of mission, it might use diseases in addition to dinosaurs and gen 1

[lethal moat]

Engineered diseases could be usefully for culling specific species

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[acoustic osprey]

To be fair nuclear waste isn't that bad

[lethal moat]

Lick it

[acoustic osprey]

FINE

[lethal moat]

I bet radioactive waste tastes like a mix of copper and ozone

[quiet ember]

[lethal moat]

You want some lore

[snow jasper]

"Hey kiddo, want some free lore, just hop in this server rq"

https://tenor.com/view/van-free-candy-candy-funny-candy-van-gif-5788607

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shush-shh-ok-bird-gif-17679708

[snow jasper]

I mean, am I wrong though

[lethal moat]

No

[snow jasper]

I rest my case

[lethal moat]

But we have a pets channel now

[snow jasper]

hm

[swift echo]

qhy was i ghost pinged...

[jaunty osprey]

how to get a good mark in college

[strange shell]

Spend more time studying isle lore

[jaunty osprey]

yes

[icy onyx]

🤓

[hexed forge]

I see 4 possible locations for docks/ports on gateway in a variety of sizes.

[lethal moat]

A small fishing dock at any of the lakes wouldn’t be too out of place either I wouldn’t think

[hexed forge]

Fishing...? No. I dont think that will happen.

[lethal moat]

This is old, however:

[pale marsh]

Hey dat me

[hexed forge]

By 1 and 2 he is referring to gen 1 and 2?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[hexed forge]

Still I dont think a fishing dock at a lake would be worth it, atleast at North lake it would be VERY unlikely.

Highlands lake maybe? Water access.. not sure

[lethal moat]

Water access could have a small dock and hut with scuba gear inside to check on dam maintenance

[hexed forge]

Thats possible

Just not exactly made for fishing. You could use it for fishing, but its not made for it

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[fast forge]

Hyuck? Goofy confirmed for the Isle

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-they-will-never-find-the-body-gif-9141996

[fast forge]

"Gawrsh, that lizard sure has some big teeth"

[hybrid wagon]

This is cool I’ve never saw that

[hexed forge]

No it takes place on a planet

[grand sigil]

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Just wait
So gen 1s may potentially be similar to the old legacy tribals in some ways if they do in fact have tool use as well
Interesting

[grand sigil]

[Ouuuhoohoohoo falling sound]

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[wintry wadi]

Is thier any forum that list all the best theories or do I just gotta ask?

[grand sigil]

Yeah I had assumed something like that

Very far removed from legacy tribals and stuff

[lethal moat]

We’ve got the lore theory document for confirmed stuff, the lore server for organized stuff, and we do most of the theorizing here

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-dwayne-johnson-gif-24769765

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/joerogan-roganexperience-pullthatupjamie-comedy-podcast-gif-22170278

[acoustic osprey]

Limited but not gone

[lethal moat]

Facts

[lethal moat]

I have an idea

Hypothetically, if gen 1 were able to burrow or dig to some extent, they could make super fun tunnel systems that would be scary as hell to clear out

I think it's a great idea

[grand sigil]

Zamn I'm like super mixed on that idea
Because my whole headcanon of gen 1s has always been them exclusively living in pre-existing caves and abandoned underground tunnels and stuff

If they do in fact have some tool use, that could be possible
But would be a pain to code

Unless Isle somehow does the DRG-style dynamic terrain stuff

Yeah I referenced DRG, big whoop

[acoustic osprey]

we do know they can build on top of pre-existing human buildings

if that helps

[fast forge]

buildings made out of leaves and sticks like this is Raft

Gen 1 gameplay is survival crafting

[acoustic osprey]

Generally what we do know is that

they know where they come from (either subconsciously/instinctually or akin to basically very very very very early pagan ||pre-pagan technically|| ideas of pseudo-animism) -> this being they have some sort of understanding of The Replicator. BUT what we know of what they know is very 50/50. 100% they know something of The Replicator... but to what extent? To the extent of the founders of Rome or Jesus Christ? Yes, they were real, but it's pretty "mythology" - especially seeing as they likely have no form of an etymological writing process besides through visual cave art. IF the "old" (a few years old) Gen1 artworks are still canon.

they can hunt using "tools" but aren't anywhere near the bronze age in craft
so simple, basically to the idea of "Avatar weapons" without the "outer worldly sci-fi" hoodoo

they can build housing- however likely not very developed housing- and seem to potentially have a preference to build in higher altitudes? Potentially.
Definitely may make sense in terms of survival; lots of big land dinos. Best way to not die is by adapting to the weaknesses of the predators. Sure you have Herrera but that would be very minimal for Gen1s.
And seeing as Gen1s are good climbers and are known to build on top of pre-existing human buildings, this could work

[hexed forge]

I woke up to a wall of lore

[hybrid wagon]

That’s a lot of words

[lethal moat]

I want structures sort of like hypsi’s nest, but scaled up

[meager junco]

Oooo we back on this topic

[kindred escarp]

Too bad i aint reading them

[glacial crest]

I Guess (its my theory) The Isle not a one island humans have much Island and using that to create and realese dinos there thats why when we die can respawn (we wont respawn we just recreated thats why when we respawned we lost all growth) And Thats why too many dinos not ready for now when they created They realesed to Islands (Thats why we have isla spiro or legacy islands [but legacy not in evrima lore] this means The Isle it's a test project)

[Sorry For My Bad English.]

and another one ı remember Spiro ı saw looks like very technologic machine looks like falled from space like a satellite thats means (thats not my main theory but possible) The Isle Its another planet and humans discovered this place and trying to go there thats means humans trying to come this planet)

[Again Sorry For My English.]

[patent ginkgo]

We do know that AE has multiple islands and such. However, keep in mind that Spiro is not canon anymore and if I recall correctly, we know that Gateway is on Earth due to some items having the names of some places on Earth on them and that AE used to be fighting climate change. The idea that we spawn in due to being “remade” and airdropped in is a good idea though we do know that there are “injections” of dinos sometimes, like what happened in the recent diabloceratops video.

[strange shell]

The Isle takes place on Earth(?)

[lethal moat]

We have a video of earth spinning with the AE logo on it lol

[patent ginkgo]

Earth(?)

||the “?” referring to if an earth that has been changed to a high degree is even still earth||

[lethal moat]

I believe it’s close enough

[patent ginkgo]

I mean it’s the same planet so yeah lol

I was trying to be as intellectual and philosophical as Isaac

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

No mortal can reach that level

I just unga bunga my way through and keep guessing until I get something right

[plush peak]

Gawrsh

[fast forge]

I think some of the in-game models for stuff like car batteries or tanks of chemicals say stuff like "Made in India"

[hexed forge]

Southeast asia, people, im telling you!! Believe! Gateway is in southeast asia/oceania!!

[fast forge]

tbh the location really doesn't seem to relevant to me

[hexed forge]

Its still good to know

[fast forge]

I'm a little curious

[lethal moat]

Gateway in the indian ocean/ Indonesia are my current bets

[hexed forge]

Singapore has been involved in a lot of climate change stuff right? Or am I wrong...

[mint vault]

@final brook

[hexed forge]

huh

@lethal moat YOU GOT A POTATO TOO!

[lethal moat]

I stole it from Swagbear

[hexed forge]

Thats a felony, he is supposed to give it to people who were selected to be his prophets!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-stolas-spell-gif-22834425

[fast forge]

dibblethief

[lethal moat]

How many must die before we get dibble

[fast forge]

a thousand and a thousand more

[lethal moat]

I can do that

[hexed forge]

If my lore brain brains... thats... thats... on a bridge..att

[lethal moat]

It is on a bridge

[hexed forge]

Uhh, im gonna guess at...

[hexed forge]

East plains?

[lethal moat]

No

[hexed forge]

God damnit, riverdelta?

[lethal moat]

Nope

[valid geyser]

That little bridge by highlands?

[hexed forge]

huhh, is it........ There is no other bridge that I know of except the highlands one.

[lethal moat]

South plains near the dome

[hexed forge]

OHH THAT ONEEEE, How could I forget it. Ah

[valid geyser]

Oh yeah

[fast forge]

it's by that watchtower

Oddly enough, I've found frogs on that bridge a number of times

[hexed forge]

There is no watchtower there 🤔

[valid geyser]

Guh?

[hexed forge]

Its next to the perimeter, no watchtower. Unless I am confused.

[valid geyser]

Wait now I’m confused too

The little dome or the big one?

[fast forge]

No, I'm just silly and misread it, my bad

[valid geyser]

Yes the big one

[fast forge]

I misread as East plains by dome

[valid geyser]

I know now.
Words

[fast forge]

I was thinking the bridge over the little ravine, right along the east dome

[valid geyser]

Yeah I know which you mean

[lethal moat]

The dryo hurt more than the dilo did lol

[lethal moat]

We should spend some time theorizing about other islands, what’s on them, why they’re different, the differences and similarities we want to see, how many we think there are, etc

[acoustic osprey]

anything could exist

something like theorising about other islands is basically just making your own Apollo Files

it's just there's way too little (basically nothing) on such that you can't really get to anything production

unless you can try and find something that may MAY be referring to another island

potentially like OLYMPUS?

which could be a possibility

if Tartarus is a big asset for AE
Would they also keep their Olympus on/basically connected and part of Gateway as well?

(not referring to Olympus CC)

however
I guess we don't really know anything about Olympus CC vs OLYMPUS
far too obscure at the moment. Makes me wonder if we'll ever see more upon it

seeing as Tartarus may be an actual place to play in-game (I HOPE)- likely on the Gateway map?

if OLYMPUS was on Gateway as well, I'd imagine we'd get more information on such

but honestly
I'd say it'd be cooler for OLYMPUS to be the "far more obscure and absurdly hidden" aspect

[lethal moat]

OLYMPUS is actually a nuclear powered submarine that travels between the islands

[acoustic osprey]

Where we
We basically know what's happening on Gateway
We know aspects and bits and pieces on what's happening with Tartarus
We practically know nothing of OLYMPUS besides "X" and "Y" persons

noting, I'd imagine, each piece of information changing depending on whenever on the timeline you're referring to (pre-during-post incident)
||noting that it seems far less likely that there was a BIG and ONE TIME incident- akin to JP- but potentially attacks that would've drained AE of it's sustenance, potentially? At least, it doesn't seem that it was some BIG internal affair that would've stopped Gateway, basically.||

[acoustic osprey]

I know Tiny seems to be relatively against such ideas, or at least potentially such ideas
but I believe the wording of greek related thing in The Isle still have a physical symbolism to it still
not only a meta symbolism

[lethal moat]

Or gateway was purposefully abandoned

[acoustic osprey]

I doubt that without some sort of attack on AE itself
damage around the map also makes it 50/50

[acoustic osprey]

that being Tartarus -> underground
Olympus -> high up / at least not in the ground

[lethal moat]

Damage can be sustained over time, but leaving the island intentionally is what I’m leaning towards right now

[acoustic osprey]

but damage (destruction) to large thick cemented fences is not so easy to do

[lethal moat]

And expensive to repair

[acoustic osprey]

unless it has actually been 182 years since they left

(2172 start date)

[lethal moat]

Could have been close to when they were supposed to leave and they decided to let it be

[acoustic osprey]

I doubt AE wanted to leave Gateway

if they purposefully left

[fast forge]

against it? I've never heard this submarine theory

[lethal moat]

I think those holes were manmade, not from other creatures

[acoustic osprey]

but I believe the wording of greek related thing in The Isle still have a physical symbolism to it still
not only a meta symbolism
upon this, not about the idea given prior

[fast forge]

I think I just like Olympus = volcano

oh yeah

[acoustic osprey]

why would you purposefully destroy your thick cement fences

occams razor WANTS YOU

[fast forge]

I feel like they slowly ceded ground until they hard largely lost the island

[lethal moat]

Might not have been AE, could have been sabotage or something similar, which could make sense going from the ocean into the island, rather than the other way around

[acoustic osprey]

i raise my fist at you!!

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[fast forge]

shaped charges or something?

[acoustic osprey]

No one expected Dino Holy Wars did they?

[lethal moat]

Deus vult

[acoustic osprey]

VULT

[lethal moat]

That’s about the only explanation I have for the smallest hole through the large fence

[lethal moat]

Woopsie

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mordhau-duel-fight-knights-kid-gif-23992950

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-stand-hema-kick-larp-knights-gif-17342317

[acoustic osprey]

(only issue is that it's just too long and not wide enough to make a hole that big without larger damage)

unless we have an Isle Ray Gun

[lethal moat]

Hyper cannon misfired

[acoustic osprey]

that would also infer that the Hyper Cannon is portable

and likely easily portable

[lethal moat]

I like to think of it as a tank sort of situation

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as it isn't very high, especially if it was on a tank

[lethal moat]

Imagine having a ND with a piece of artillery, that would suck lol

[acoustic osprey]

it's too straight and low to be on top of a tank/larger portable equipment though

[lethal moat]

Not if the tank was shooting down or from a distance and it missed

[acoustic osprey]

(too straight)

can't be an angled shot

[lethal moat]

HESH round?

[acoustic osprey]

unless it was from the forest, but that forest has far too many trees to fit a tank

[acoustic osprey]

not large enough impact

it's a pretty clean hole

[lethal moat]

Maybe some sort of drill

[fast forge]

or it's just an asset and they didn't put this much thought into it

[acoustic osprey]

NEURO SEISMIC CANNON

[acoustic osprey]

could be a drill
just weird placing to be next to a bridge

unless it was an isle lore woopsie doopsie moment

[lethal moat]

I think the big breaks are from explosives and I’m not sure about the small one

But I think going in from the exterior makes more sense than going from the interior out for pretty much everything except for hyper spino

[acoustic osprey]

too symmetric sadly to tell

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19238353

Now I’m imagining like a special forces squad making it far into the island before they realize that there are in fact dinosaurs on said island

They don’t notice the small ones because the explosions scared them off, but the big ones come and check out what’s going on

Hold on, let me get that image Tamim made

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1168561242449911818/1238679857529880726/Family_Reunite.png?ex=66529f03&is=66514d83&hm=c4fcd22052132a8265c1d2ba48547ee5d94836e2bc607d7627f2a2e137432a34&

[acoustic osprey]

depends on how big that hole is actually and how big the hole is in Evrima.
Most common shaped charges used during that time could do up to 70cm at most

[lethal moat]

Make it bigger

[acoustic osprey]

(and the official website for Fort Eben[...], i believe, refers to the explosives used at that time doing roughly damage of 40cm)

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-really-hate-that-man-annoyed-hate-him-upset-hurt-feelings-gif-16077050

[lethal moat]

Nothing a little discretionary spending can’t fix

[acoustic osprey]

would be funny seeing some holy dudes exploding a bunch of fences around gateway

[lethal moat]

I’m thinking the 40k Inquisition and either adeptus mechanicus or space marines

I do think the dino holy wars was more applicable to the conversation we were having at the time, rather than to the actual lore, though it could be either

[median shuttle]

oh boy this lighting is just

oh dang wrong channel

[patent ginkgo]

Still very nice

[sour bronze]

Sick Dryo skin

[median shuttle]

thanks

[hexed forge]

hmh

[lethal moat]

Hmm

[fast forge]

a breaker box, maybe? I don't know electrical stuff well

[lethal moat]

If I had to guess, it’s a broken breaker yeah

[hexed forge]

Yeah, there are a bunch of them in bases now. Wasnt there before

[lethal moat]

Time to blow everything out of proportion

NEURO STRAIN ELECTRONICS BREAKING NEURO MESSES WITH ELECTRONICS NEURO INCIDENT CONFIRMED !!1!!!1!

[hexed forge]

What did you eat today

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-paranoid-gif-4974019

Also, one thing I have noticed. Is that, @lethal moat Your theory about something breaking INTO the island rather than OUT OF might be true.

But, I first need to fact check it ahaha

But mainly, the fence destruction looks like something would break INTO than out of, but im not sure. I caught this moment while I was a cera at NE, so didnt think about it much.

Unfortunately there is no giant wall of concrete that had been destructed to compare it to IRL

[fast forge]

It could also just be sabotage - mess up AE's island and cause chaos for them

[hexed forge]

Or no, now that im looking at it. Its hard to tell....

[lethal moat]

Look up high speed sled military testing bunker buster

[hexed forge]

Wh-Why is that so specific but okay 😂

[lethal moat]

If you want to see what it takes to break through several feet of concrete, it’s your best bet

[fast forge]

can you place an explosive that could do it? a sapper team or something?

[hexed forge]

Lets hope the people who sabotage didnt use an f bunker buster lmao. But yeah wouldnt an attachable bomb work?

[lethal moat]

It’d have to be something set up to cleanly get through something that thick, not just something you carry in a backpack and slap on

That I know of

[lethal moat]

You could drill in and fill the hole with explosives

[hexed forge]

Doubting thats its a sabotage now 🤔

[fast forge]

see this is where I end up with the biology stuff - how far does the semi-realism stretch?

[hexed forge]

Godzilla(Islandwalker)

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-smash-its-time-to-smash-shades-on-gif-15056100

[lethal moat]

Depends on the nature of who’s breaking in

[hexed forge]

A month ago, rumple mentioned on how. hold on let me find the msg actually.

#isle-lore-theories message

Oh wow that was actually this month, time flies..

[lethal moat]

I’m leaning more towards people, but I think breaking in currently makes more sense than breaking out

[fast forge]

smash people?

[acoustic osprey]

referred to this last year

[hexed forge]

Its new tho

[acoustic osprey]

the model isn't
been on Gateway for ages

[hexed forge]

There have been adjustments, like, that wasnt on the table there before 100% sure.

[fast forge]

Is this new?

[hexed forge]

yeah thats new, appearently it makes you dehydrate faster. Not sure tho

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-wait-what-gif-9000717621307637538

[acoustic osprey]

funny Junction Box

[hexed forge]

So I was just being blind as heck when reviewing these buildings

[acoustic osprey]

never seen before

to be fair
i don't play enough to know status effects much

[hexed forge]

People told me that it makes you dehydrate faster, not sure tho.

[fast forge]

I got it after becoming dehydrated

[acoustic osprey]

issue with this though
albeit, yes, it can destroy roughly ~6m of concrete
there's still a lot of work in needing to actually utilise this effectively

but for the completely destroyed fences
it could definitely work

[hexed forge]

I think after drinking, the status effect works, like you would be more thirsty after being dehydrated.

[acoustic osprey]

but, still, a lot of effort

[acoustic osprey]

however, by the time you want to plant your explosives, you've still alerted that whole side of the the island

[torpid apex]

is the person who made that in here?

[acoustic osprey]

no, tamim is not

[acoustic osprey]

if it is sabotage
We'd definitely need some sort of elaborate written (or akin to) aspect done by Dondi

[torpid apex]

anyway i could contact him?

[acoustic osprey]

sure I can send you his user

[torpid apex]

thx

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

[lethal moat]

What if the raid came after AE left the island

[acoustic osprey]

why explode then?
if the island is not guarded, it's relatively unnecessary to destroy anything

just more expensive

may be slightly cheaper
but if you're going to some sort of forest/unroaded section by exploding a fence

it's just a bit too much

especially since the hyper fences have gates that would be easier to move through

[lethal moat]

They might be trying to be fast or they don’t know it’s unguarded

[lethal moat]

What if the gates were closed

[acoustic osprey]

exploding a fence up would still be as ineffective as shooting a firework in the sky
if you're unsure it's (Gateway) guarded, then exploding stuff isn't your safest bet

especially since that amount of cement is pretty thick

[acoustic osprey]

if it's closed
and you have no other option
it'd be easier to get through 1m of steel than several meters of cement

[lethal moat]

I disagree

[acoustic osprey]

then something like shaped charges would be really handy

[lethal moat]

Might be going for speed then

[acoustic osprey]

and really effective

[acoustic osprey]

exploding a thick cemented fence is harder than a thinner piece of metal

[acoustic osprey]

speed is 50/50
you're relying on your explosives to work on that amount of cement
and you're also putting yourself on unprotected ground

i.e. no roads

especially if you have no/minimal knowledge of the roaded system on Gateway

[pale marsh]

If you can afford enough explosives to blast thru that much concrete, you can just use plasma cutters or something to cut thru metal

[acoustic osprey]

sticking to a human path is far more effective in the long run

[acoustic osprey]

which would, honestly, be a lot easier.
And works with this #isle-lore-theories message

not like exploding the fences is a bad idea
could just be some really dumb pirates

[fast forge]

makes me think of the game teardown

[pale marsh]

True aswell

[acoustic osprey]

RAHHH! EXPLODE!!!

[fast forge]

offshore pirates bombarding them with long guns

[acoustic osprey]

but that comes down to a story thing then
basically like this #isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

I’m just thinking a team of like, 20 dudes who’s sole goal is to get into GUTS and cause as many problems as possible

[acoustic osprey]

a lot of the "how did this happen" with the environmental storytelling would have to come from actual storytelling

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, if they're holy warring
then it would make sense to just play it super anarchically

still comes down to storytelling though
Don definitely would have several ideas up his sleeves to play with

[fast forge]

he did say recently that he's been working on the timeline

well, recently as in the last several months

[lethal moat]

Having several external hostile forces is also something to play into, who did what and who gets the punishment, righteous or not

[acoustic osprey]

all up to Don I guess

many things could've definitely gone against AE's favour

[strange shell]

PETA attacked the island to stop dino abuse

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/swat-funny-gogogo-ready-gif-13545654

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/starman-superman-hero-starman-superman-gif-5670562936153558097

[grand sigil]

@lethal moat @acoustic osprey

[lethal moat]

The plants are genetically modified, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they were replicated

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-true-smoke-gif-23157983

[hexed forge]

F5... F5... fences? 5 fences? Nono.. fences 5.. nono.. F sector? F5 base? Fences 5 base..... what's f5.. who is F5.... F sector riverdelta.. F sector ocean..F5? Corrupted files.. files corrupted... why F5?..

F5.. F5.....F5...a base? Nono, wait yes, could be. But then why is the Tcam in F5...

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-iasip-charlie-conspiracy-gif-11562330

[hexed forge]

@valid geyser do you have F5

[hexed forge]

This is my only purpose now.. what the heck is F5.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-little-one-im-sorry-sorry-thanos-gif-22851713

[acoustic osprey]

Lorecord having fun

i have a feeling Don told you, Rump!!
Didn't he!!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-you-get-nothing-nothing-gif-5432076

[valid geyser]

Now why was I pinged…
Here…

[valid geyser]

Shhhh….

[acoustic osprey]

uh oh

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-ill-drink-to-that-bro-gif-12940340

[acoustic osprey]

you tease us

[hexed forge]

That's why you aren't in the f5 talks..

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

I genuinely think it's just something different for a different system than the normal grid, and that we won't know until we get more

I do engage in topics that I know things on though

[acoustic osprey]

^he'll try and confuse us as much I do with topics I know

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/house-doctor-hugh-laurie-its-a-basic-truth-human-condition-gif-16343434

[lethal moat]

I don't lie, I just twist words and meanings, I also try to not steer away from assumptions, but let people make their own

[acoustic osprey]

that's what they all say

[lethal moat]

I'm very good at wordplay, counter to what my name may lead people to believe

And counter to my unga bunga tactics for discovering lore

[acoustic osprey]

duality of the two

[lethal moat]

I am a silly man

[acoustic osprey]

this is true

[lethal moat]

I’m setting up lore talk for today before I go to bed, lets look at the ERRANT 291 stuff again with the new information we have in the year and a half since we originally got it

[acoustic osprey]

just handed in my essay
so, perfect timing

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

I'm going to re-read ERRANT-291 and 291's accompanying doc again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png?ex=6654e281&is=66539101&hm=5ec2d7f04e866ab2a206146d3d0cc8a0db69e60ca57b3cc14fe1eb57333c101b&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1072247114043760640/Summary-E2911.png?ex=6654e7f1&is=66539671&hm=1d79f3756c2d9d5507536497d7a407703ad7025f1ef0f181fd536cce814422d0&

just for ease of reference

[lethal moat]

I’m thinking D sector might be a segment within the hexadome or something similar, rather than a larger area of whatever island this took place on

[acoustic osprey]

unironically was thinking of the same (similar) thing

where D Section Interior could be one of the tunnels in Perimeter

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

but, thing is, Interior would mean there's an Exterior though

and "Section" would, though, refer to a proper space
Tunnels are hard

as they're just interior aspects

[lethal moat]

Could be large passageways through the walls of the dome

I’m also thinking that ERRANT was a saboteur of some kind, probably external, given that I’ve been leaning into those sorts of ideas lately

[acoustic osprey]

i still believe D Section is about a passageway next to "D" (Olympus Transmitter)

with the idea of "Holy Wars" (as in sabotage and internal/external strife)
291 could literally be a spy who killed himself for the greater good

[lethal moat]

Could be that too, could also be an unknown designation

[acoustic osprey]

literally SW "Bite my tooth and kill myself"

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-moff-gideon-the-mandalorian-long-live-the-empire-galactic-empire-gif-25630686

[lethal moat]

Cyanide pill etc etc

[acoustic osprey]

for there to be a reference to him going to Olympus Trans. saying "offline?"
I think it's likely he was at Olympus Transmitter

[lethal moat]

The F R/D segment is unlabeled, could tie into the unknown F6?

[acoustic osprey]

especially if he was a saboteur of sorts
Olympus Transmitter would make sense to recall information about their workings and the map

[lethal moat]

I agree

[acoustic osprey]

potentially
that's an interesting thought, never really crossed my mind.

Seeing as the map is still an abstract

they don't have to 100% line-up

physically that is

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rubbing-hands-together-we-bear-gif-21574731

I’m curious about what was marked as redundent

[acoustic osprey]

only issue is that we can't really know what F really is on the map anyways

so, albeit it may definitely work, doesn't help us atm

problem is though, there's two Hs on the map- if you include H4. H6 and H4 both being places, just h4 not being on our map

and that A, B and C is a bit 50/50

[lethal moat]

It’s currently a meaningless potential connection, but I’ll take anything I can at the moment

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1224906148977578034/image-2.png?ex=66553f3f&is=6653edbf&hm=8420b66de309a993c99f5bf22ae1d0bfa4d32b671c7554c22f6489b8a9e9c592&
especially if "A" is nothing

so it may work for F
but sadly for nothing else- mostly nothing else, that is

I mean
that's assuming we know what Zeus Entry is

B works because that's Hades- which is god of the "underworld"
so it can be underground

[lethal moat]

I bet it’s Perimiter

[acoustic osprey]

and C is Poseidon
which, can be anywhere
because water

AND
in "C" (on the grid)
that's basically where that large water dock that's loosely connected to the map

[lethal moat]

I think C is going to end up being the massive docks

[acoustic osprey]

if anything, though.
I'd say Perimeter is Olympus CC

Perimeter has several entrances that fit all three

A for the opening up top
B for Underground with GUTS
C for the river entrance

we just need to see Perimeter being actually developed more to confirm or unconfirm such on that regard

seeing as Perm is still pretty barebones at the moment

https://gyazo.com/24c1c5b0d50fe0082c00546204bb184a
thinking about it though

[lethal moat]

I want to see how many underground waystations there are in GUTS and how large they are to see if there are any comparable to say, one of the small domes, but underground, though that might end up being Tartarus, since we know nothing about it

[acoustic osprey]

we know things go into each other
G -> B (for example)

B is Hades Entry
Not sure how others thing or it's just generally because it's a minor detail

But
about the actual "entrances" themselves ||ignoring the Perm aspect for a second||

there's definitely several "possibilities" for how these entrances work as entrances

[lethal moat]

If the tunnels are relatively direct, why would the instructions be needed?

[acoustic osprey]

• are all these entrances on ground first? Then lead into their respected "zone" (Hades -> underground, for example)
• all these entrances start in their respective "zone" (rather than Hades having an elevator into the underground. Hades Entrance is SPECIFICALLY the underground entrance INTO Olympus CC. Which works better for Perm)

[acoustic osprey]

the instructions as in LLLRFL?

[lethal moat]

Yeah, and what is the significance of 12/7

[acoustic osprey]

well
I presume the three areas are still "entrances" of a sort
so there has to be some sort of blocked/gated aspect

Potentially a passcode to get in? Or some sort of encrypted code 291 might potentially send to "X"?
Specifically though, as a thought, why put in the date?

[lethal moat]

The keypad is a just dance floor thingy

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hotel-transylvania-dance-dancing-dracula-dennis-gif-4383083

[fast forge]

I saw someone (might have been one of you) say once that LLLRFL might mean
Left, Left Left, Right, Forward, Left
Makes as much sense as anything I can think of

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-barnatt-dance-video-games-gif-14532470

[acoustic osprey]

I think that's the most simplest and best answer that could exist
besides a potential keycode

[lethal moat]

Yeah, but why would those directions be needed if the GUTS tunnels are relatively direct between sources

[acoustic osprey]

and would make sense for why 291 down the date, kinda

basically/potentially being a way of tracking 291's footsteps

whilst also referring as a pseudo-journal

[fast forge]

we don't know if they are direct, these could be the major points with tons of offices and stuff in between

[lethal moat]

We also could be thinking too literally, like tiny just said, with the abstract guide

[acoustic osprey]

who knows
are they even GUTS tunnels in the first place?
https://gyazo.com/4b44ad54d36207220dbe2f7b6fcbbc8b

sure it refers to GUTS Access Route
but specifically, likely, to the whole thing as a whole

[fast forge]

I was about to say about that bottom line

[lethal moat]

One large Facility then?

[acoustic osprey]

potentially the area just being within Perm, for example

[acoustic osprey]

maybe
it does refer to "Exterior state"

which would be weird to refer to such if it was referring to Gateway as a whole

[fast forge]

|||| > |||| > |||| > |||| >> |||| > ||||

Why the double chevrons?

[acoustic osprey]

also we know GUTS was a thing for Gateway
the guts of Gateway

Albeit it could change

It'd be really weird and super super expensive to tunnel ALL your islands together

[lethal moat]

Perimeter or Tartarus could be good guesses

[acoustic osprey]

if Tartarus has deeper levels, maybe

[lethal moat]

Maybe down a level?

Or skip a junction

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, heck, it'd be really interesting if it was Perm
that would mean it could literally be your original idea for it being akin to altitude, Rump

Olympus CC could literally be at the top pipe of Perm

Tartarus at the bottom

presuming that the bottom of the image is basically Tartarus

[fast forge]

I personally don't think Perimeter is anything other than a big dome

I don't think there's been anything to suggest otherwise

I'm fine with starting with the concept when exploring ideas, but I wouldn't go too far with it

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, there's a lot within Perm that could suggest it's more than just a biodome

mixed with the innards of the dome and between the walls

[lethal moat]

It’s bigger for a reason, even if it’s just to house redwoods, but even then, more space means more room for more other activities

[acoustic osprey]

not just referring to the singular large office building at the front of Perm

[acoustic osprey]

just redwoods is weird if it doesn't have, at least, potentially more operations or RnD-aspects involved

why make it any larger than the other domes?

[fast forge]

I just don't know why you would make your central hub connected to one of your experimental domes, instead of just having the dome be an ancillary thing, with it's own facilities

[lethal moat]

Maybe the redwoods themselves need to be contained

[fast forge]

I still think the central hub is under the volcano

[acoustic osprey]

presuming Perm is the central hub

in which I presume you mean Olympus CC

[fast forge]

Well, whatever that is, yeah

I just was saying central hub to avoid using terms without a firm definition, like Olympus CC

It's probably the central hub, but not assuming

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
Central Control is a pretty strong title

especially referring it to "Olympus"

[fast forge]

I wasn't really trying to make controversy, just using a less specific term so I don't muddy the waters

It does make sense, yes

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/but-the-pirates-band-of-misfits-chimpanzee-darwin-gif-12170338347886548358

[lethal moat]

This could be viewing platform, or something similar to this old concept

Anyway, I’m off to bed, have a good one guys

[acoustic osprey]

potentially
basically just taking the aviaries from PC

that dome is a bit small though that what Perm is
but it could definitely be a viewing platform of sort

especially with the catwalk/bridge connecting to it

[fast forge]

What kind of document is the 291 abstract guide again? What's the technical term for that kind of diagram?

[acoustic osprey]

akin to the one in Perm

[acoustic osprey]

for maths, it'd be a network graph

[fast forge]

ty

[acoustic osprey]

don't think we got a name for in-lore though?
I'll have a look at the file names

but I think the file names just refer to 291

yeah
Just "291-C"

C being the footnote reference calling it "291-C"

which just refers it to torn stationary

[acoustic osprey]

either AE doesn't really care what he stole/had, as in it wasn't important enough to them
or they're just trying to hide the fact that it might be "important" to an extent

[acoustic osprey]

they also, in some cases, are used as an indication of altitude

dummy activity doesn't really fit well
as there's no value for each node or line/edge

so that aspect is a bit hard
we have to "know" what the value (as in usage of them made up by AE) of the dotted lines

so it could be a change in altitude
which would work with it being going to Tartarus

But makes it hard for the final point at the bottom of the graph

however
the node at the end might (we could see what it said) might refer to an elevator or shaft/lift of sort

https://gyazo.com/979996eb0e5bc988f725bc13a264dfc3

as it's a completely different shape

which makes 4 important points (nodes) within the map

via their unique shape

Olympus CC
Olympus Transmitter
The "Proper" last node
and the umbrella node

heck if the umbrella is Tartarus
the last "proper" node could be something akin to Styx

[acoustic osprey]

OR

it could be something akin to a different path

[fast forge]

I don't even know

[acoustic osprey]

as in a different "unregulated" style of a path

[fast forge]

You are cooking, but I gotta go to bed

I'll have to catch up in the morning, sorry

[acoustic osprey]

night tiny, sleep well.
No worries! Stay well

[fast forge]

g'night ❤️

[acoustic osprey]

the normal edges/lines could be some sort of official/regulated mode (or akin to) of transport

i.e. Cement/asphalt roads OR GUTS tunnels (if there are GUTS tunnels within whatever "this thing" is)

which would, then, make the broken lines unofficially regulated but officially noted/mapped sections that connect to "X" place

albeit, the biggest issue is
there should be more / at least there should be more "randomly lined" broken lines

as basically everything connects to the "Umbrella Node"

but, honestly, I don't think there's anything I can really try to think upon further at the moment

some of the more "new stuff" we do know has definitely opened eyes a bit more
but, sadly, it's a bit too crowded at the moment

gotta wait for whatever next is shown

and hope it may allude to something larger/or at least point to something clearer

albeit
IT IS WORTH MENTIONING

Don did say a lot of these characters are "one time things"

so it may be hard to extract information because things won't be stuck together like glue due to being different things every time

so I don't believe we'll ever get a hard THIS IS WHAT IT MEANT, unless Don tells you explicitly

more so, though, understanding the subtext behind "things like this"

for example

we may never know 291's TRUE purpose
but
we may know more about, if he is a spy, stuff akin to sabotaging AE
or more on this site/area/place generally

potentially a sheet or two within "X" area in-game (god ||gods because greek mythology?|| i hope)

[grand sigil]

"Perm"... 🤢

It's PERIMETER!!!!

[lethal moat]

We’ve got a lot of undefined things that might or might not connect, just need more information

[fast forge]

My theory is that 291 was recon to find TOMB

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[fast forge]

Leading into the main breach that Don mentioned

[lethal moat]

This one? #isle-lore-theories message

[fast forge]

How else would they know to go after TOMB?

Yeah the "very successful operation"

[lethal moat]

What if the TOMB wasn’t destroyed by external forces

[fast forge]

Well to stop myself, there could be a number of ways of learning about TOMB, but boots on the ground seems most likely to me

[lethal moat]

Purged sounds very systematic, I imagine someone or multiple within AE just cleaned it out

[fast forge]

Don has kinda hinted that the issues AE encountered were both internal and external

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[fast forge]

Could be any combination of factors, from whistleblowers to corporate espionage, employees turned spies, who knows

And from what Don has said here, it sounds like much of it is still up in the air and still being decided

I like to think he sometimes comes here to see what crazy things we are making up just for ideas

[lethal moat]

Burrowing hyper, ungodly speed

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/landshark-gilda-radner-snl-shark-week-gif-6585091182976039454

[lethal moat]

Yes

[fast forge]

Hyper charcharo

https://tenor.com/view/gible-pokémon-gible-dig-pokémon-dig-gible-uses-dig-gif-26022458

[lethal moat]

Oh lawd

[patent ginkgo]

taking a look at this, it seems the logo is unique to a rubbermaid design

also, i saw a random reddit post saying that these kinds of signs are normally used in portuguese speaking places that also get a lot of english and german speaking people (such as tourists)

[lethal moat]

Interesting

[patent ginkgo]

i doubt its canon, as like don said once, the models might just be vis messing around or just bought from somewhere

but its still good to know

[fast forge]

I've seen plenty of warnings like this with those languages, and I'm in the US

I know for a fact I've seen dozens of wet floors signs with Attention/Achtung/Cuidado

[tall forge]

guys

i need help plz fast

how do i respawn in the isle [i am stuck betwin rocks]

[fast forge]

wrong channel

[lethal moat]

We need to be drip-fed more lore

[swift echo]

n spino lore when

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859369469482631168/1174008360723546122/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[grand sigil]

perhaps

[hexed forge]

More than 2...?

[meager junco]

Gateway-Rex-Trike(maybe both will be 1 trailer) dilo trailer and maybe something special? That’s all I can think of

[acoustic osprey]

Likely started with some storyboards for lots of lore videos
Not surprised

Potentially started on early production for full release?

[acoustic osprey]

Might have to check if it's marketplace or not

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[hexed forge]

Pretty sure its marketplace, the "Mop"

[grand sigil]

When was this

[hexed forge]

Today

[knotty locust]

im pretty sure "in the works" counts everything from nearly finished product to concept stage

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
pre to post

so, likely, many things Don has storyboarded
to the recording stage
to the editing stage (which is likely where the "Gateway Trailer" is at)

not to forget, a lot of things may be taken down during pre to post because of change of plans or it didn't turn out well

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, the bucket seems to be a marketplace asset

man. It's a bummer.
I wonder if they're allowed to change/remodel aspects they/use bought?

[hexed forge]

It should be legal right? 🤔

Aslong as its not claimed as their own.

[acoustic osprey]

i suppose it depends on the rights you bought

[hexed forge]

Yeah ig

[acoustic osprey]

if they pay "X" amount to use it
they would be allowed? Unsure, American laws confuse

and if it's a free asset.
Well. You can basically do whatever anyways

but yeah
I hope they don't submit into just buying a bunch of market place stuff over getting Vis to model stuff

i presume it makes life easier because minimal modellers

[hexed forge]

What a kind gentleman, I am sure he likes handshakes- MY HANDD- MY HAN-

[lethal moat]

:3c

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-broken-hands-gif-6192885

[acoustic osprey]

hm yes

[pale marsh]

Duality of man

[lethal moat]

I want tisso to be parasitic

https://tenor.com/view/baby-funny-cute-gif-4563650

[acoustic osprey]

I WANT tisso to be plastic!!

[steel summit]

you want them to be elastic and moldable?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[steel summit]

stretchy

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cute-stretch-weird-gif-15770746

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/stretch-working-from-home-life-work-from-home-aching-my-back-gif-13843841593162152580

[valid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-stretch-bird-birb-gif-15106851

[lethal moat]

What should be the lore topic of tonight

I vote tissoplastic

[acoustic osprey]

uh oh

[lethal moat]

We know of insane regenerative abilities

[acoustic osprey]

but there's nothing to read on them!!

[lethal moat]

We know about the regenerative abilities, and the rest we can theorize

Because of the regenerative abilities, I’m going to guess as long as it isn’t eaten before it regenerates, it will recover

Therefore, you can have a completely mauled and zombie looking dinosaur that looks like it should have diet 20 bullets ago still running you down

A relentless hunter that just keeps omitting going, as long as it isn’t eaten in it’s entirety

[kindred escarp]

Damn scary

[lethal moat]

Wwz zombie style, except it is very alive and continuously healing

[acoustic osprey]

i presume only temporarily
if it regens. It only looks mauled for "X" amount of time prior to being hurt

for that though
i wonder how long it regen time is

[lethal moat]

Maybe have different stages of regen, like laying down makes it faster or something

[kindred escarp]

Imagin à big cera going after u when it should be dead for while now

[lethal moat]

Imagine a quetz with shredded wings crawling through hallways and tunnels to get to you

[kindred escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-skeleton-meme-man-skeletron-fortnite-gif-8574616040851063459

I genuently would be scared

[lethal moat]

click click clack
And of course popping noises because it’s wings are out of socket and it’s crouching

[kindred escarp]

But worse imagin it standing still in the trees and waiting to stab u from above while standing still

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
sitting down is a bit lacklustre, as that, if so, would definitely be it's "weakness"

[lethal moat]

Or/and rotting dead flesh that sticks to it as it heals, so you can smell it

[acoustic osprey]

if you turn it into some sort of "static regenerative state"
that'd be interesting

[kindred escarp]

Interesting

[lethal moat]

Metamorphosis healing cocoon for tisso

[kindred escarp]

Damn

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-that-gif-14729957

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-nothing-sgt-schultz-gif-25248092

[lethal moat]

I think an abandoned cafeteria could be a fun place to explore

[lethal moat]

I wonder if people will get mad at me for making my gen 1 group become a machine cult

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-warhammer-tech-priest-gif-14919800332216808310

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-lord-of-the-rings-gif-20344416

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-army-single-destroy-men-gif-19720633

[thin vine]

lore today should be augustus

[acoustic osprey]

i agree

once I finish SoT
I'll have a relook

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-tom-skeming-gif-21693741

[hexed forge]

Have been studying Greek mythology for a school project and ngl I noticed some possibilities for future isle lore

We have theorized that Olympus will likely be some sort of HQ right? Where the owners/top people in the company meet and make choices

[hexed forge]

Olympians

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-talking-gif-24637905

What if the leadership of AE are all blood-releated...- Well maybe Im just going too much into the greek comparisons.

[lethal moat]

Yeah I highly doubt that

[hexed forge]

Yeah going too far into it probably

[lethal moat]

Especially since there’s a council and then a CEO (or the other way around)

[hexed forge]

Can I just get a quick confirmation rq?

[lethal moat]

It would seem so

[hexed forge]

👍

[hexed forge]

But wouldnt it be an awesome reference if the council consisted of 12 people and they were called "olympians"

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

Would be nice if Dondi tells us more about the company

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[lethal moat]

Is that a new one or the same as the other ones?

[hexed forge]

No idea

But the base still needs some touch ups xD

[meager junco]

Are the stairs in that one building still not working lol

[fast forge]

I think that was new in the QoL update

I know level designers can use a "brush" tool that kinda just adds randomized terrain game objects, making it much easier to build a map than adding each game object individually and having to tweak the position etc. This was probably just a side-effect of that

[fast forge]

Most of the building is missing a hitbox, and I don't think it changed with QoL

[meager junco]

Expected as much, I doubt it’s a priority

[fast forge]

I'm guessing we'll see that fixed when they do a big update to human buildings down the line

[lethal moat]

I think the gen 2 update will be a lot more than just gen 2 and gen 2 tools

[acoustic osprey]

If this is not in perm
Same model, new location

[hexed forge]

K15

[acoustic osprey]

New then

[fast forge]

A pyramid in the Isle!?!?

wojacks pointing

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/illuminati-eyes-shaking-gif-12355978

[fast forge]

same spot

(server reset)

[lofty swallow]

replicator replicating?

https://tenor.com/view/k22p01-gif-7948762

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-wish-i-wish-i-could-hazbin-hotel-angeldust-gif-25227577

[high fractal]

wat dino is that

[lethal moat]

Cerato

[high fractal]

[wheat crown]

[unborn breach]

Does anyone have the pictures of the old unofficial matriarch sketches?

[lethal moat]

Can’t wait for it in Evrima

[unborn breach]

thank you!!!

[lethal moat]

No problem

[lethal moat]

I also have these ones

[hallow ruin]

i wonder what is this based of
is it deino? meglania?....

[lethal moat]

Deino I would imagine

[hexed forge]

Yeah I think that's deino

[hybrid sierra]

What’s that matriarch stuff? I’ve never seen it before

[fossil nebula]

I think it has a chance to be Teno made to look different, but imo looks not based on something, looks like new thing or thing not ingame

[lethal moat]

Matriarch is a creature that intakes biomass and is able to replicate certain qualities and evolves very quickly, the art is unofficial, but the concept of creature is still canon

[hybrid sierra]

Oh cool

[lethal moat]

Its mah favorite

[rustic glacier]

are the strains and all of that stuff even still cannon? ngl been out of the loop for 3 years as I took a fat break from the isle, but outside of human presence I havn't seen or heard anything about strains in the recode

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah strains are still canon, you can check out rumple’s doc in the pinned messages here, it has more up to date info on the lore

[hexed forge]

Alright, I got a theory while studying greek mythology.

What if there was a giant dispute/fight before, this dispute marks the timeline between when they started using dinosaurs, and when they didnt. Or some other event that caused AE to change their operations.

Im referring to the Titanomachy war in greek mythology. Between the old generation of gods(Titans) and the new generation (Olympians)

Soo, in short, a massive dispute between 2 parties in AE.

We know there were internal issues in the company.. soo

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps, but remember that there is only a short link between the company’s botanical endeavors before and the creation of dinos, and that dinos were fairly early on in AE’s timeline

[hexed forge]

Ah hmmmm, but what if there is a backstory to AE that we dont know about?

Just theories really, but it would be awesome if we got more info on the company itself

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey Wanna check out this theory

[fast forge]

fwiw I think he's asleep at this time of day, but I'm sure he'll see the ping

[hexed forge]

I know, I pinged him so he sees it when he wakes up.

[lethal moat]

Hyperendocrine Tissoplastic and Neurotenic strains are still canon, Magna has been scrapped

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[sonic rampart]

?

[sacred radish]

so silence here

[lethal moat]

There’s some action every now and again

[hexed forge]

It's certainly interesting on the amount of possible connections that might happen

[lethal moat]

Anyway guys, you know the drill

[hybrid wagon]

type

when will dondi actually hide something for us

[hexed forge]

I don't think there are any map changes

[steel summit]

only one way to find out

[hybrid wagon]

it wasnt in the changelogs?

[hexed forge]

No

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190479571762548807/1245874271964631143/20240530155914_1.jpg?ex=665a5655&is=665904d5&hm=2630bbbecd9e1da3b254b89993dd9e55ace23e0d5f71d1ac6d031adf092801f8& See through (ish) domes