isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

noting this was only 5 months before recode was announced

[hexed forge]

The devs were probably hyped too to start working on this new phase...

But then all the code started having a seizure sadly..

Also why the hell is there a hotel on V3

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-the-hat-dr-seuss-girl-gurl-sass-gif-8490801

[acoustic osprey]

it was far more a blend of Evrima lore and literal JP

[hexed forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

imagine a linear line for lore differences between the two
<——————————————————————————>
JP Evrima

2018 Legacy lore was in the middle

we understood far less on the research front of Legacy AE
then we do right now with Evrima AE

[hexed forge]

I like how Evrima lore is going farther away from JP lore. Much better

[acoustic osprey]

I like how we know more internally for AE now, then in Legacy

in legacy
we had a broader scope of things. Sure.
but we barely knew anything internal

and I am quite thankful for this

[lethal moat]

We should make a logistics sheet for things we need/expect for gateway

Or at least AE islands

[acoustic osprey]

I'd rather know what we have now
then have a spaghetti of pure madness

[acoustic osprey]

logistics sheet?

[lethal moat]

A list of everything needed to function

[hexed forge]

I call dibs on power system

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[fast forge]

I could probably figure out the animal husbandry needs

estimates would be hard, but a general list would be possible

[acoustic osprey]

it's weird to think about the EIP status of breeding

[fast forge]

ikr

I was just thinking today about the injection diablos, and if they were EIP and they laid eggs...

[acoustic osprey]

not even breeding.
Cloning your dinosaur self
as we know what happened with Augustus

[hexed forge]

They mustve known eachother in the company

[lethal moat]

If you get benefits for it, it might just be a simple connection of this action = easier survival

[acoustic osprey]

how human are you once you've experienced 100+ dinosaur lifetimes

[hexed forge]

Not human

LETS START THE EIP TALK OF HOW EIPS AND THE THOUSAND LIFE CONTRACT IS UNETHICAL AGAIN!

[fast forge]

I was talking earlier about the concept of "shifts" where you live out the life of a dino before returning to normal work, and I can't even imagine what that would feel like to return to humanity in a new body, after being something so different

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, is it really that unethical?

[lethal moat]

Unethical is subjective

[hexed forge]

You are a human that has to be tested on for a thousand lives through another body, constant transfers from body to body, and you also probably feel the pain that you are feeling in that body(For example your dibble gets attacked you feel the pain). So you have to feel constant pain of death for a thousand lives..

[lethal moat]

The cost of salvation

[hexed forge]

Rumple is turning into Thanos, someone stop him

[acoustic osprey]

imagine going into another humans body
18 years+ of being used to your bones
your muscles, your movements, your brain.

but (we don't know really know if EIPs are "brains" or the literal mind. I.e. Different brains can exist, where your mind is the individual)

And now all of a sudden.
you've been taken to someone else's body.
Different bones. Muscles. Movements. Brain functionality.

You are only you because of your mind. Your experiences.
How easy is it to break your mind once we take EVERY comfort away from you

[acoustic osprey]

That's assuming humans are just forced into being an EIP

[hexed forge]

I mean, once they sign the thousand life contract no? 🤔

[acoustic osprey]

astronauts are sent up to space to die for the most part.
Especially 50 years ago.

if you consent.
You've consented. Plus the contract. That consent stays for however the duration.

[lethal moat]

You agreed and signed the dotted line, now fulfil your end of the deal

[acoustic osprey]

Have they dumbed the contract down in order not to scare their future profiles away from signing?

[hexed forge]

Yes, but I explained this earlier.

[acoustic osprey]

if they breach such and they lie/dumb down the wordings of the experiment

[hexed forge]

You think its a good idea until you actually experience it

[lethal moat]

Skill issue, put me in coach

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
I presume this is more so about if the contract lied or not

[hexed forge]

Yes

The contract doesnt lie, write that down in the theory document maybe.

[lethal moat]

Fine print is completely legal, it's on you for not understanding

[hexed forge]

Not sure if it means anything BUT

[lethal moat]

I think that meant he wanted to see the theory

[acoustic osprey]

lying =/= giving the whole picture

[hexed forge]

Maybe AE hires people for the contract that dont have anything left in life, thats why they arent hesitant to take the contract.

[acoustic osprey]

I think I made a theory similar to this in 2021 lol

[hexed forge]

And then he laughed after I said the theory because it was so ass

[acoustic osprey]

no, it was early 2022

[hexed forge]

No one can claim a theory after all

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/its-mine-lotr-golem-my-precious-sméagol-gif-14477595

[lethal moat]

I think if people don't understand what they're getting in to, it's because they misunderstand or don't believe it, not out of any fault or trickery in the conent of the contract

[fast forge]

I wonder if the contract is a godsend, a prestigious job at a renowned business on the cusp of greatness

[acoustic osprey]

one of the old transmission quotes really fit

Strip away everything that makes a man and you can rebuild him in any image.

---

We cannot guarantee who you will become when you come out the other side, if you even survive at all

[lethal moat]

Yolo, for the future of humanity

[hexed forge]

That sounds so not evil right

[acoustic osprey]

It sounds far more grey than anything

it's not innately evil.
But it's very raw

[lethal moat]

What do you think every military does

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-mr-waternoose-for-the-good-of-the-company-good-of-the-company-for-the-best-of-the-business-gif-22975410

[lethal moat]

People are a lot more pliable and easy to work with when they have less personality

[hexed forge]

You become a small weapon in control of some old dude sitting and watching a movie with his infinite food supply

[lethal moat]

Real

[hexed forge]

YES!

[lethal moat]

It's not inherently bad, it's just business

[hexed forge]

And its easier to hire someone who is ALREADY at that state, aka... Gimme a second.

[hexed forge]

Aka

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[lethal moat]

Lets use the lore server as an example

[hexed forge]

Oh god

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey Thoughts?

Rumple is about to use neuro as an example

[lethal moat]

I reward good behavior and punish bad behavior in able to create a medium where people give me information that I want

Same as AE

[hexed forge]

Slowmode in chat is such an evil punishment smh

Shame

[lethal moat]

And yet it's for the betterment of the server

https://tenor.com/view/prince-of-egypt-sacrifices-must-be-made-pharaoh-seti-i-pharaoh-gif-16912373

[hexed forge]

It still doesnt prevent the fact that its still unethical

[lethal moat]

Is it less ethical than letting you goobers run things?

It's not good, but it's the best option

Same situation as AE

[hexed forge]

I wasnt referring to the server

[lethal moat]

And I'm still making a comparison, and my point still stands

If it saves a lot more people than it hurts, it could be worthwhile

[hexed forge]

You could just... insert ban hammer

[lethal moat]

EIPs are better than letting human civilization collapse

[hexed forge]

Thats the thing, it doesnt.

A lot of research takes a long time to even make a small outbreak. Hundreds of EIPs might suffer, but the research outcome might be near 0

Thanks crow

[valid geyser]

[lethal moat]

If it's a last ditch effort, then you have no other choice

[fast forge]

I wonder if a corporate hierarchy has any relevance to one's placement in a body. A high-level researcher gets to be rex, a D-class gets to be dryo

[hexed forge]

Oh wow

Dondi: You guys want me to make AE an evil company

Also Dondi: Justifies atrocities to accomplish a goal

Math aint mathing

[lethal moat]

I've thought about that and how it would work in gameplay, my best bet is some sort of progression system

[hexed forge]

Also the image also proves another theory

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-it-ralph-zangief-bad-guy-bad-mean-gif-4526339

[hexed forge]

AE has great good goals, just bad ways of reaching that goal

[lethal moat]

The best way

[hexed forge]

Yippeeeee

[lethal moat]

It sucks, it's horrible, but it's worth it

[hexed forge]

You said "eh" to that today tho

[lethal moat]

I was disagreeing with bad way to reach the goal

[hexed forge]

You acknowledge Ultron as a villian right?

[lethal moat]

Think about how many people had bad things happen to them in order for modern medicine to get to where it is now

[lethal moat]

Ultron is a victim of bad programming

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-plink-cat-gif-1794292671885121408

Oh well, you arent wrong about that

[lethal moat]

Ultron was not what he was supposed to be, fundamentally flawed, and was broken, and that faulty programming led to evil decisions, he isn't inherently evil, circumstances surrounding his creation forced his hand

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[lethal moat]

It all depends on what your goals are and what side of history you're on, just like real life, things aren't black and white

[acoustic osprey]

he's evil to us because we, as humans, seem him as a threat to our nature

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[acoustic osprey]

(nature as in our humanly order to life)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-monster-cat-analogy-relative-gif-16128608

[fast forge]

I'm of the belief that there are no moral absolutes

[hexed forge]

I think we are sliding off the topic here

[fast forge]

it is specific to time period, culture, and individuals

[acoustic osprey]

for science
yes

but we still must factor in religious morality and ethics

[hexed forge]

So in order to make an EIP. You need a human right? Why didnt AE just use AI..

[lethal moat]

Not really

[acoustic osprey]

^

[fast forge]

we don't know how good their AI are

[lethal moat]

AI is always imperfect

[hexed forge]

Replicator tho

[fast forge]

yeah?

[lethal moat]

It makes bodies and transfers information, there is no indication of sentience

[fast forge]

how smart is the replicator then?

[hexed forge]

Better than making a human suffer for a thousand deaths

[fast forge]

So are people?

[hexed forge]

Program an AI to do that, and it will do it.

[lethal moat]

Yep

[lethal moat]

I think you overestimate AI

[hexed forge]

Tell a human to do something, it will hesitate, mainly because we can feel pain

[hexed forge]

UNLESS

[lethal moat]

That makes it a better representation of what will actually happen

[hexed forge]

Unless, thats exactly why they hire people who have nothing left in life...

[swift echo]

AI is only as intelligent as we make it, its usually modeled off human interactions, its only as smart as its creator(s)

[acoustic osprey]

I think people forget the actual meaning of AI
and have transformed AI from far less "intelligence" to artificial learner, rather than an actual AI

[lethal moat]

Right

[acoustic osprey]

the process of modern "AI"s is basically this

[hexed forge]

Hiring people who have nothing left in life to use as a weapon is cruel

[acoustic osprey]

in an attempt to create intelligence
we have this

[lethal moat]

Ai is making things work autonomously, not necessarily intelligence, it's a tool rather than a being

[fast forge]

So the replicator behaves like AE, got it

[acoustic osprey]

the whole point of AI is (or was) intelligence through/within sentience
that intelligence being harvested by their human overlords

[hexed forge]

And thats what AE wanted no? They wanted tools that they could use to perform research no?

Tell a dibble to fight a rex, the AI will do as commanded.

[lethal moat]

How can we say what sentience is when we don't even understand it within ourselves

That's a fun theme that could be messed with within the story

[acoustic osprey]

We can, at least, define it with current AI
They are not sentient.

[lethal moat]

We can't even recognize it consistantly within other creatures

[fast forge]

Well part of the problem with AI is that it won't make something new it just copies what it knows. Perhaps that's why they used EIP's too? A human subject would be ideal for exploring the limits of an animal body

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[fast forge]

Like Augustus, perhaps

[hexed forge]

So the Human went crazy and started climbing?

[fast forge]

I guess?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean.
We can with AI

there is no sentience because it's raw code.
Replicating patterns we've given it.

[fast forge]

Or no one else had tried it before

[hexed forge]

Why would it go CRAZY IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!!?! RAHHHHH

[hexed forge]

KAjbfwajfwalfwaklfn

[lethal moat]

"Stam bad"

[hexed forge]

Huh wdym

[lethal moat]

Just making a joke

[hexed forge]

If the human went crazy.. That means the process of the thousand life contract CERTAINLY ISNT all happy and heaven like..

[swift echo]

well obviously

[hexed forge]

Rumple thinks otherwise..

[lethal moat]

Life isn't happy, doing it over and over again just highlights existing issues

[fast forge]

Can't say they went crazy, or even what consciousness is like for them

[swift echo]

well rumple is batsht insane, excuse his moral standpoint on this then, opinion is irrelevant

[lethal moat]

I don't think it's perfect, I just think it's worth the cost

[acoustic osprey]

especially when you're encased in a repeating experiment
with minimal, seemed, freedom

[hexed forge]

You sound depressed when I read this

Made me kind of depressed too when reading

[lethal moat]

mhm

[fast forge]

I still wonder if they did it in shifts, like radiation workers

[lethal moat]

Nah, I graduated therapy

[swift echo]

its only the truth 🤷‍♂️

[fast forge]

only dip into the dino matrix every once in a while

[acoustic osprey]

it's a lie

become absurdist
join us
there's far more to be at awe at the universe, then get sad by it

[swift echo]

nuh uh

[acoustic osprey]

yuh uh

[swift echo]

nuh uh

[hexed forge]

Woah

[lethal moat]

Let me correct myself, there are a lot of things what makes life unhappy, it's up to you to decide what to focus on and what you experience changes you

[swift echo]

what u woawing at

[acoustic osprey]

the same goes vice versa

[lethal moat]

Yep

[fast forge]

yes I learned this about 15 years ago

[acoustic osprey]

life is a sandbox of anything.
Nothing innately is good or evil

[swift echo]

how old is bro

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/help-me-it-crowd-fire-gif-4963092

[lethal moat]

Which is why I'm willing to roll the dice on becoming an EIP

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-god-of-war-god-of-war-ragnarok-kratos-allfather-odin-god-of-war-gif-27173620

[fast forge]

I'm old lady

[hexed forge]

Hey grandma

[valid geyser]

[hexed forge]

I am betting money on this If AE actually existed in real life

[swift echo]

facts

[hexed forge]

Sadly it doesnt- Or does it

[lethal moat]

I'm too prideful and stubborn to let that happen

[valid geyser]

[hexed forge]

Dondi is secretly hiring us to become the first EIPs... its all part of the plan

[lethal moat]

I mean...

[swift echo]

mmmmmmmm incorrect

[acoustic osprey]

it'd be really funny if lorecord turned into EIPs

[snow jasper]

Sign me right up

Im fed up with how things are right now

[hexed forge]

Neuro will be the first one that learns how to climb with a dibble

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[hexed forge]

Wdym

[lethal moat]

Reject humanity, become lizord brain

[swift echo]

tf lmfao??

[snow jasper]

taxes, money, food, society, civilisation, *responsibilities *

[hexed forge]

Thats just.. Idk if that word is blocked on islecord but.. that sounds like you want to oof yourself

Made it as family friendly as possible

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-apple-reaction-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-27485447

[lethal moat]

Lots of people would be happier with a simpler life, that doesn't mean they don't want to exist

[swift echo]

bro can i have my amendments i want to sh talk but islecord is hugu whewue ghhguwvhuwhg i cant say that or i will get BANNEd

[fast forge]

I'm of the viewpoint that everything around us is a bit of a miracle - just getting to be a sapient being is a miracle

[lethal moat]

I like to take the point of observer, learning as much as I can

That got deep

But yeah, EIPs aren't for everyone, but it's a matter of what you value

[valid geyser]

What’s going on in isle lore theories today..

[swift echo]

hwha

[fast forge]

Thousand Lives talk will do that to a chat...

[swift echo]

its the legacy atmosphere woah was that a 650

i got distracted mid sentence mb

[lethal moat]

The issues with EIPs are issues that already exist in real life, just exaggerated

[acoustic osprey]

what you value and how you value
how much you want to progress the world of science

[fast forge]

like any good sci-fi

[swift echo]

did cerato fall asleep

no? okay

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
it might be similar to "perfect trooper in the military"
aka. Hiring insane people to join the military

[hexed forge]

Yes, but it just sounds depressing when you talk about that you would rather go and suffer for a thousand lives than actually continue living normally

[lethal moat]

Then we run into the issue of catch 22, which could also happen with EIP mental faculty retention

[hexed forge]

@swift echo if you suddenly go bankrupt

[acoustic osprey]

?

[swift echo]

i wont dw

[lethal moat]

Here's a study showing people will choose pain over boredom https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26847946/#:~:text=To test this explanation%2C 69,the neutral and sadness condition.

[acoustic osprey]

not over boredom
but due to

[hexed forge]

You can cure boredom by not doing anything painful..

[acoustic osprey]

doing something painful takes away boredom as well

[lethal moat]

It comes from a book

[lethal moat]

Not doing something sounds boring

[swift echo]

ive tested this

it depends

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

si but the graph
is that it? Is that inherently bad?

[fast forge]

Additionally, without going too far into it in this PG-13 chat, but there are people who enjoy pain, and might work as participants for that reason

[lethal moat]

It just means that there's not a way for them to get out once they sign the contract

[swift echo]

thats just every isle player tbh

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
if you do something, painful or not, that takes away boredom.

How much time of boredom it takes away? Who knows
technically you could be mid doing work and stop for a second. That is momentary boredom.

[swift echo]

ye facts

[acoustic osprey]

That just depends on loopholes and though, no? and coercing

[lethal moat]

We are off track, but running parallel to themes within the isle I think

[fast forge]

not off track, just in deep

[lethal moat]

Unless there is a specific way to get out of the contract, catch 22 ensures that you cannot leave

[hexed forge]

I hate EIP talks now

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-richard-ayoade-maurice-moss-ugh-no-disgusted-gif-25103916

[hexed forge]

Yippee

[swift echo]

why

[acoustic osprey]

that's still just embedded a loop hole in the contract itself, no?

[lethal moat]

It's not a loop hole if it's intentionally put in

At least I don't think so

[hexed forge]

The chat becomes a therapy session and it becomes depressing

[acoustic osprey]

that's a loophole!!

[swift echo]

[acoustic osprey]

towards the benefit of AE as well

[swift echo]

welcome to isle lore cerato

[hexed forge]

That's a holeloop

[acoustic osprey]

however.
Wouldn't that be for, more so, once you finished your contract?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message yarg

it would be, technically, AE exploiting their own contract
Making a loophole

without such loophole
you can leave without any need of verbal coercing

[lethal moat]

Eh

[acoustic osprey]

that is what i'm getting at out of what you mean by catch 22

[lethal moat]

Like I said, I think people know what they're getting into with the contract, just don't understand the gravity of such

[hexed forge]

Ima go now

[lethal moat]

Sleep well

[hexed forge]

Ignore the rumple part

[lethal moat]

I'm him

[hexed forge]

Ok I guess not

[acoustic osprey]

I'll go as well
i have uni to attend to

[lethal moat]

Good sleep and have fun studying guys

[acoustic osprey]

wee

[umbral patrol]

Welcome to hotel Californiaaaa you can always check in but you can never check out :pepehappy:

[lethal moat]

I don't get the referance

[umbral patrol]

Never listened to the song hotel California by The eagles!?

[lethal moat]

Nah

[umbral patrol]

For shame

I got tons of lore to catch up on

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[umbral patrol]

At least I can binge all of it instead of only having breadcrumbs to devour lol

[lethal moat]

[fast forge]

That song is actually an interesting thought in the context of EIP's

describes a kind of surreal experience of being coerced into joining a paradise-like hotel, only to later realize that some time has passed and you cannot leave

[umbral patrol]

P much

It’s how I was thinking of it as a sort of comparison haha

[lethal moat]

I like “the fine print”

[umbral patrol]

Which no one ever reads is the beauty of it

[fast forge]

I wonder if the song is an allusion to a roach motel

[acoustic osprey]

missed opportunity!!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/realize-whoa-mindblown-wtf-albino-gif-5049830

[acoustic osprey]

also rump

didn't ask.
Did you get to see this?

[lethal moat]

I did, I saved the file so I can mess around with it later

[acoustic osprey]

erm
it's actually about drugs and alcohol in Cali!!!

[acoustic osprey]

Nice.
Any issues or remarks? (Besides Wheos connecting to Agriculture)

[lethal moat]

Nothing that immediately jumps out

[acoustic osprey]

nice, coolio

#isle-lore-theories message

Don — 01/11/2022 21:49
I'm writing anomalous incident reports, which is just my fun way of talking about dinosaur abilities in the narrative setting. Most of it is spent humanizing people that aren't relevant to multiplayer just so you want to read.

The vast majority of the troodon's takes place with audio transcripts of interviews and snippets of personal journals over a short, but unspecified amount of time. So you'll get what people think they saw at the time and they wrote down vs what they recall much later when audio interviews occurred. There's also specific notes jotted down amongst the scrabble of factual information that's cross-referenced with island utilities such as cameras or when biotracing is created, so you can be like "Dohoho it wasn't an error! " instead of left completely wondering.

I haven't had characters spring up across multiple reports.

Man, it's crazy to think about this now
Completely forgot about this till I read it again this morning

[lethal moat]

Biotrace

[acoustic osprey]

It's interesting to read this again though

It seems to be referring to different mediums of portraying the "anomalous incident reports"

[acoustic osprey]

for the graph?

[lethal moat]

We know that Errant 291 had an additional video log as well

[lethal moat]

Nah, the quote mentions it

[acoustic osprey]

basically all we know of this:

• read pages
• video-based slideshow (Augustus)
• audio transcripts (no audio, just the transcript)

[acoustic osprey]

oh i completely missed that lol

"Dohoho it wasn't an error! "

Hold on a minute.
If biotracing is linked with chiptracking... maybe this is the answer?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-son-of-a-gun-ok-angry-mad-gif-13484244569652126007

I assume you’re referring to F5?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-wait-a-minute-huh-gif-17932668

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[acoustic osprey]

I know that section might be referring to the "troodon" thing
BUT

This is from 2 years ago.
The ideas from this might've been transformed (split up) into what we have now of ERRANT-291, Augustus and the dibble video

[lethal moat]

Biotracing could be more environmental or based on something other than the standard grid we’ve already been given, so it could make sense

[acoustic osprey]

Aye.
Either it might've been an error with the TCAMs (maybe an intern making a mistake)
or biotraces might come into play in the future to a degree we don't understand yet

currently we presume GW_H4 and GW_F5 are exact locations.
They DO match up
At least, H4.

nah, i can't.
Need to think more on this one

[lethal moat]

It would make sense for security cameras to be coded to the infrastructure of a base, and thus that grid, and for the trail camera to follow a different classification so that it can more easily be moved and/or so it can fit the more dynamic role

H4 matches because it’s mounted

[acoustic osprey]

the thing is though.
Is the "location, temperature, time" thing on the footage burnt into the footage? As in, it's done live into the footage?
Or is it done in post.

[acoustic osprey]

Just.
F5 is weird.

because they still detail down "GW_F5" as the location

[lethal moat]

On most trail cameras it’s on the camera itself

At least it is on the cameras my family uses

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1234295385883938888/Screen_Shot_2024-04-29_at_10.08.53_am.png?ex=663036a8&is=662ee528&hm=2d415c84af9b272bbfdb98947c3a01d019483948fd990c124ea29a239633824d&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1234294829291147294/image-66.png?ex=66303623&is=662ee4a3&hm=f368489bfb9a51c4fd9c68e857df7681d896fbca98926c17b7aa5aefb179dc2b&
in both

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, I presumed so.

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152480773987913759/1229184162305675304/Diabloceratops_Migration_Data_Short_Gif.gif?ex=66301375&is=662ec1f5&hm=07fcc4b56679cfde97e9aef50d97151447af81aabc09b8b4ec9e34b504395538&

[acoustic osprey]

Heck.
I'd say the TCAM was faulty.
But both TCAMs in the dibble video showed the location

[lethal moat]

And it’s stated in the edited final version with the title

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

It occurs too often and consistently to be a mistake

[acoustic osprey]

so it couldn't been an error
besides from Seiza herself

in terms of miscommunication

or a quick change that was overlooked.

[lethal moat]

I don’t think it would have gotten this far, or dondi would have said something at this point

[acoustic osprey]

the thing is.
This "map" of Gateway seems to be quite old.
As Don has already named K15 and I12 their respected grid names ages ago

so F5 would've been quite distinguishable as nothingness

[lethal moat]

It’s still mostly water though

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah.
Unless it was a terrible terrible mistake.

Which I hope it's not

[acoustic osprey]

I'm pretty sure it's just full water as well

[lethal moat]

There might be the tiniest little sliver in the bottom right, but you’re right

[acoustic osprey]

even if there were a bit of land.
it still doesn't match the environment (I do know we know the actual location)
So why wouldn't they just put the actual location? Nothing really changes if it was H15 instead of F5

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1224906148977578034/image-2.png?ex=6630553f&is=662f03bf&hm=7c958e6fb095863147a518bc1d84d899e0e049ef18cd8779441b75a02a5d160f&
the lines on it. Super hard to tell

https://gyazo.com/ee09aaa4e9b9af6a8331a3c711a22d21
on mine
there is a tiny bit of sand

[lethal moat]

Not enough to justify and mistake within universe though

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

I’m going to watch it over and see if I catch anything

[acoustic osprey]

good luck

[lethal moat]

Alright, half a second in, totally missed this the first few times

Archive (7) 43-27-23
OL-TM 012-947

OL-TM is probably Olympus transmitter

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[lethal moat]

That went over my head

[acoustic osprey]

never been abbreviated like such before.
But that's definitely a possibility

[lethal moat]

This mostly cropped AE logo with the word tartarus is neato

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/why-must-you-hurt-me-this-way-big-gif-19114472

[acoustic osprey]

more lore to be seen.
Yet we'll likely never seen anything of it

unless it's actually a sneak peak to the next video (Rex? Shirley?)

[lethal moat]

In the Errant 291 stationary, Olympus Transmitter has a straight line to Tartarus through F(R/D) and L(R/D)

[acoustic osprey]

to (presumed) Tartarus

[lethal moat]

Maybe somehow that plays into the artifacting

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/you-right-gif-26385572

[acoustic osprey]

unless that's what Dondi told you!!

[lethal moat]

Nah

Just a hunch

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-it-crowd-it-crowd-moss-moss-the-it-crowd-the-it-crowd-moss-gif-24976139

[lethal moat]

Irrelevant (I think) but it does extend into F5 a little bit

What about that area screams F5 and does it connect to Biotrace or the Numbered entrances on the fences

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[lethal moat]

And why completely replace the camera rather than just putting it upright again?

[acoustic osprey]

got smacked/destroyed

[lethal moat]

It functioned decently at an angle though, it was still working

[acoustic osprey]

I presume hit/smacked equipment still has to be reported and taken for assessment by any technicians for future reuse

[lethal moat]

The only place we see that version of AE's logo is in the title, so there's a good chance you're right or at least on the right track

[acoustic osprey]

any tech that's smacked may seem like it's ok on the outside
but inside, it may be quite destroyed

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm.
Or a potential titlecard for a slideshow

[lethal moat]

mhm

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/285a3d0c936e2d3c3bc254b4d9e91137
made a mock up though

[lethal moat]

I want to try something real quick

[acoustic osprey]

funny!!

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[steel summit]

cool

[lethal moat]

Is there any messing around we can do with this?

[fallow harbor]

hahaaha he said tartarus

[snow jasper]

banana

[icy onyx]

Been quite interested in isle lore but have like no clue where to start

[hexed forge]

You can start by reading the document

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[acoustic osprey]

@lethal moat this may help you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1224678204904833114/oh_my.jpg?ex=6630d275&is=662f80f5&hm=cc0052dfa18d570129e27c4d96a1d635d1f4e8fa1cda67ce0693dfe7bf03fe32&

[fast forge]

So I decided to just google the term "biotrace". I got a biotech company named "Bio Trace" that makes drugs and pacemaker monitors

Perhaps "biotrace tampering" is just messing with the bio-logger, and biotrace is just their name for the biological data from these bio loggers

Heartbeat etc

[acoustic osprey]

cooler name for a fitbit

[fast forge]

Less of a logical leap than my "biotrace = genome signature" theory, as biotrace tampering would be genetic engineering in that theory

With this idea it's just removing your tracker or something

[fast forge]

This would make even more sense in the context of errant 291 as biotrace tampering would prevent AE from tracking this individual

[fast forge]

Have we tried to ask Don directly about the incongruities with "GW_F5"? He might perhaps confirm if it was a dev error (external to canon) or an archival error (within the canon)

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-it-crowd-it-crowd-moss-moss-the-it-crowd-the-it-crowd-moss-gif-24976144

[fast forge]

I just forget if we ever brought it up with him

[lethal moat]

I’ll take that as a no, we should bring it up next time he shows up

[fast forge]

yeah I feel like he's been around when we were talking about it, but hasn't been asked directly

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-want-to-know-stella-rae-tell-me-curious-anxious-to-know-gif-22056623

[fast forge]

I've heard y'all talk about radioactive materials in lore, but do we really know anything in regards to that?

[lethal moat]

Neuro goo like Lightclaw’s so fond of theorizing about, Hazmat suits, and warnings on the fences

Put a nuclear generator on gateway, what’s the worst that can happen

[fast forge]

It occurs to me that biomedical research often uses irradiation arrays to sterilize objects and materials, to be sure they are clean of pathogens. I dunno, just another possible context for radioactive material

In an industry as large as what AE is doing, they almost certainly have irradiation protocols on site

[lethal moat]

The sheer amount of hazardous contaminants on the island must be insane

I will drink all of them to find out which are dangerous and which ones give me superpowers

[scarlet verge]

How many lives are you willing to use up for it?

[bold crater]

Really do hope there's HAZMAT suits in game and a reason for em <:I Neuros I definitely agree seem like they'd be radioactive. I remember an old legacy loading screen mentioning their biological material being uh....."yeah don't TOUCH this"

[hexed forge]

Troodon containing neuro material? 🤔

[lethal moat]

How many chemicals are there?

[scarlet verge]

999 lol

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/witcher-letho-acceptable-nodding-yes-gif-16328081

[lethal moat]

Neuro goo

Hazmats are optional, OSHA can’t find me here

[hexed forge]

[rapid chasm]

whats the font chat

[lethal moat]

It’s ok, AE quality assurance can’t hurt you, it isn’t real:
AE’s quality assurance:

[hexed forge]

Thats a matriach chompin up a deino right?

[lethal moat]

Unofficially, yes

Wonder who gets the experience of being the matriarch

[hexed forge]

Dr. Rumple.

[fast forge]

I see neuros being a biohazard, but not radioactive

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cant-handle-the-truth-a-few-good-men-silence-the-truth-jack-nicholson-handle-the-truth-gif-16921393

[lethal moat]

Both is good, emps are along the same spectrum as gamma radiation, just closer to microwaves I believe

Theorized EIP hierarchy:
Matriarch
||ben||
Strains
Gen 2
Gen 1
Dinosaurs

[valid geyser]

||ben..||

[lethal moat]

Yis

[hexed forge]

What if ben is actually Ben so that means that Ben is a BEN which will mean that BEN actually Benned a long time ago so BEN actually is not Ben but that actually equals to Ben never Benning.

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480390528729091/1081008629047627807/IMG_1332.gif

[hexed forge]

My brain after trying to not overthink a simple subject

[valid geyser]

What is Ben is Ben and Ben is just BEN and BEN is a really benning Ben BEN and ben is Ben

[hexed forge]

Possible

[valid geyser]

[lethal moat]

Ride the giant crabs like sandworms from dune

[fast forge]

the ben is never the ben is never the ben is never the ben is never the ben is never the ben is never the ben is never the ben is never the ben is never the ben is never

[valid geyser]

AAAA

[lethal moat]

Why must you people make me suffer

[valid geyser]

[lethal moat]

Imagine being the gen 2 unfortunate enough to land on the beach only to have your group massacred by giant crab

[hexed forge]

Perfect

[lethal moat]

I’ve actually been sleeping on this idea for a minute now

I don’t like the idea of of gen 2 spawning in the middle of gateway

So, I think if they come from other islands, maybe have various ways of entering the island that you either work for or determine on the other island, the primary way being via some sort of boat or dingy you have to bring to the shore

[fast forge]

I have two scenarios:
In the first you awaken from a stasis tube

In the second you are in a helicopter crash, similar to the spawning for Sons of the Forest

[lethal moat]

I think that gen 2 are sent intentionally, both to retake the island and act as either an experiment or proof of concept, maybe for EIPs

[fast forge]

Yeah but that doesn't mean AE can't drop an EIP into a body in cold storage already on Gateway

[lethal moat]

True

But that’s an exhaustible supply

So their either made on gateway, or transported there, in order for the sustainability of being able to pick it over and over to work

[fast forge]

Or it's a MASSIVE backstock

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/clones-attack-of-the-clones-star-wars-gif-20468324

[pale marsh]

Arrive via fortnite battle bus

[lethal moat]

[ornate comet]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-awake-discord-skyrim-intro-skyrim-intro-discord-gif-22633629

This is clearly the correct option

[hexed forge]

D-Day style landings on gateway...

[lethal moat]

Especially if there are other gen 2 on the beach who aren’t friendly

[ornate comet]

Probably the least likely option but what if they get dropped from a plane or orbit in a pod like helldivers

[hexed forge]

I dont think AE has any major space technology so unlikely for the pod.

But planes...

[ornate comet]

Jump out of a plane with a parachute to the area of the map you chose to spawn

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/skydive-instructor-hanging-gif-24928948

[pale marsh]

Arriving by boat
Honestly makes the most sense

[lethal moat]

I agree

[ornate comet]

[lethal moat]

Parachute or boat are my preferred methods

[pale marsh]

Idk
I think parachute or similar and think of omnis waiting for you to descend from the sky and eat you

[ornate comet]

Well

[pale marsh]

Boat or helicopter
But only in specified locations
Ones the devs can ensure is safe from dinos

[lethal moat]

Boat pulls up to the docks and there are 3 allosauruses

[ornate comet]

The parachute could be mostly cutscene maybe, and you get to control the rough area where you will land when you get really close to the ground. Also using spawn areas to prevent people from immediately skydiving to the best places

[pale marsh]

I'd imagine you'd spawn inside a building one dinos just aren't allowed inz for gameplay purposes

[ornate comet]

And in the spawn areas it’s pretty random where it will dump you

[lethal moat]

Gross

[pale marsh]

Multiple ways out so dinos can't camp a door and wakt

[pale marsh]

Alternative you can get express same day shipping into a raptors stomach

[lethal moat]

Have gen 2 spawn on a different island, load up, and choose how to get inserted

[pale marsh]

Doesn't, technically conflict with anything I've said

In talking
Specifically about when you arrive on the island

[lethal moat]

I just don't want an area you would be able to go in sealed out because you're a dinosaur

[ornate comet]

You guys think there will be a grace period when you spawn to prevent other humans from instantly shooting you in the head and camping for the next guy

[lethal moat]

No

[pale marsh]

I can excuse it
If it's a very small area
That would only exist for humans to spawn

A dino would have nothing to gain but spawn camp
Even if they were allowed in

[lethal moat]

Because I think gen 2 are going to have a neat spawning system

[lethal moat]

That area wouild still have some sort of bottleneck

[hexed forge]

Lore talk.... Mmmm whats the topic?

[hexed forge]

Oh my god I thought that said "NESTING SYSTEM" 💀 😂

[lethal moat]

I just like the idea of "you're retaking the island, find the best place for you to start doing that"\

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 spawning

[hexed forge]

If they are being dropped off of a plane, let them go anywhere on the island.

[ornate comet]

Nah I think that would create problems

[pale marsh]

Would that be just using the same space regions as dinos or Atleast same concept?

[lethal moat]

But then things can see them, if they choose boat, it's an easier start, but not as close to certain resources unless you choose to go to a coastal base

[hexed forge]

Hmm explain?

[lethal moat]

So both should be done

[hexed forge]

But the Ocean is infested with dangerous things now, is using boat better?

[lethal moat]

Neither is good, that's the point

[ornate comet]

What’s stopping you from instantly dropping to the best locations or to places you can accidentally get stuck

[hexed forge]

Oh alright

[pale marsh]

^

[lethal moat]

Dinosaurs that know it's a popular area

[hexed forge]

Commonsense for the second point

[lethal moat]

Or just rng for loot, so nothing is ever a guarantee

[pale marsh]

It'd still be a meta spawn that people will just brute force

I'd athwe players Spawn on the outskirts
And be forced to work their way into the island

[ornate comet]

Would you believe me if I said a lot of people don’t have that

[lethal moat]

Something like that

[hexed forge]

Perhaps, but sounds like their problem

[ornate comet]

I can just imagine so many people getting stuck on trees

[hexed forge]

Sounds like their problem not the games fault

[ornate comet]

True true

[lethal moat]

If you spawn in a tiny boat with a small amount of supplies, a flashlight, and a knife to get you started, I think that's more than fair

[ornate comet]

Maybe Gen 2 could just drop on the beach at a random spot like legacy spawns

[hexed forge]

Nah

[lethal moat]

Something like this size

Except maybe with paddles

[pale marsh]

I don't think that boat is crossing the ocean

[hexed forge]

Same ahahaha ^

[lethal moat]

Dropped off from a bigger boat maybe

[ornate comet]

The isle has some pretty calm oceans

[hexed forge]

Because the oceans are probably not done yet

[pale marsh]

It's more about
Being reasonable about cross ocean travel

[ornate comet]

That reminds me how empty and quiet the beaches feel compared to spiro

I miss the sounds of the waves

[pale marsh]

AE is not gonna send it's men to an island on an inflatable boat

[lethal moat]

They send them to a dinosaur infested island with not much more than a flashlight and maybe a knife

It's either an experiment or a proof of concept, many of them are meant to die

[pale marsh]

Both are incredibly stupid

[ornate comet]

Was just gonna say expendable

[pale marsh]

I'd rather my guinea pigs die on the island
Not before they even reach the shore

Also
Remember
No comically evil

[lethal moat]

I'm aware

Just trying to think how it makes sense

Especially with this :
"There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story. It does not exist. It has not happened. If it does happen, I've certainly have no written it yet
So you may get a game that has all of that, there is no melting pot of AE's ideas where all of them get shoved into the same thing
So while the gameplay is being supported, it's not just 'oh hey here's an island, it has all of these things on it' it doesn't work like that."

[hexed forge]

I think Gen2s will ATLEAST have a small pistol when they arrive, not completely helpless

[pale marsh]

Gotta draw the line of lore and gameplay
Just
Wish we knew where

[lethal moat]

I very much doubt that

[ornate comet]

I mean sending a bunch of genetically superior soldiers that I guess you can make on demand to a super dangerous island a decent plan

If you lose a lot just make more

[hexed forge]

Its not going to be powerful completely

[lethal moat]

I disagree

[hexed forge]

6 rounds, not all even guaranteed to hit

[lethal moat]

If it's the Basilisk, I disagree even more

[hexed forge]

Just a pistol with 6 rounds, I dont know what a basilisk is.

[lethal moat]

The revolver

[hexed forge]

I dont see how it can be powerful tho

[lethal moat]

My dear boy

[pale marsh]

At most
Whatever the weakest side arm is
Let em have that

And small amount of ammo

[lethal moat]

No! Weakest doesn't mean weak!

[lethal moat]

Dondi said it'd take one, maybe two shots to a cerato's side to kill it

[pale marsh]

Rumple
If u imply even the weakest gun can decimate all would be predators
I'm gonna smack you

[hexed forge]

Math isnt mathing

[lethal moat]

Not all, I'm just saying, bullets hurt a lot

[lethal moat]

Bullet go into internal organ and explode it

[ornate comet]

If I get 2 shot from a guy camping a body I’m gonna lose it

[lethal moat]

Plus, pretty much any gun can insta kill another gen 2, which doesn't seem fair

[pale marsh]

They don't need to hurt
Even if it's a guaranteed death on the dinos part
How long that takes is the important part

[pale marsh]

That's just, unavoidable
Really no good way to prevent friendly fire among gen2

[hexed forge]

mmmm

[pale marsh]

If you don't give them a gun at start
They'll just stab eachother

[hexed forge]

Skill and coordination is a way.

[lethal moat]

I'm fine with friendly fire, just not instant death from the get go

[pale marsh]

I
Personally don't expect any gun to deal flat instant death
I'd hope atleast

[ornate comet]

I agree

[pale marsh]

I'd rather shoot something
And it die later

I want to
Deter not outright moider

[lethal moat]

Guns and ammunition are both supposed to be incredibly rare, having everyone spawn with one, even if it's small, completely negates the problem of not enough ammo

[ornate comet]

On one hand when I play a Dino I don’t wanna get obliterated in 2 shots but on the other hand as a human I don’t wanna be shooting bb pellets

[lethal moat]

Make guns and ammunition incredibly rare so wasteful people are killed

[pale marsh]

Give them ammo so they can appreciate what it's like to have some and understand the scarcity

[lethal moat]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AiAUuLpKUbU?feature=share

[pale marsh]

Their will be the fools who unload a clip into a dryo
And those that live

[ornate comet]

Ok now I’m gonna unload a clip into a dryo cause that sounds funny

[lethal moat]

Good luck

[pale marsh]

It's be very funnt

[hexed forge]

That is more than a pistol my guy (Very modern)

[lethal moat]

We've seen Dondi discuss how finding all the parts for firearms will be difficult

[lethal moat]

That is the same calliber as the basilisk

[hexed forge]

Are old pistols that deadly? I would like Gen 2 to atleast have that maybe

[lethal moat]

Older weapons tend to be more devastating, look up "minnie ball effects"

[pale marsh]

Also
Side affects of strong guns
I will go ape brain and be stupid with them for fun

[ornate comet]

Me when I find the the troodon that’s been spamming 1 call for 20 minutes

[hexed forge]

Oh lead.

[lethal moat]

I'm going to DM you a video real quick cerato, because I fell like no gore would apply to ballistics dummies

[ornate comet]

The yellow gel ones?

[pale marsh]

Still mad we can't send that one gif Anymore

[lethal moat]

The ability to spawn in, turn, and kill 3 other gen 2 within 5 seconds off spawn should not be an ability

[pale marsh]

With the guy ripping the throat out of the ballistic dummy

[pale marsh]

Let them do this
Because it marks them as a troll
They have less backup
And less ammo

[hexed forge]

Ey, you get 3 extra guns and 18 more rounds!!!

[pale marsh]

Also punishments for killing other gen2 but idk what or how just yet

[hexed forge]

Treason detected, exterminate.

[ornate comet]

https://tenor.com/view/democracy-helldivers-intensifies-freedom-helldivers-2-gif-1202998951342753696

[lethal moat]

Too much power

[pale marsh]

Maybe respawning after doing so
Gives you less equipment

Bad gen2 lose pistol privileges

[ornate comet]

Well, hold on.

Will Gen 2 get a map

[lethal moat]

No spawning with pistol

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[ornate comet]

Maybe a player that kills other gen 2 will show up as a ping on peoples map to avoid or take revenge on

Sorry I mean enact justice

[lethal moat]

What map? The most likely option would be the PDA

But even then, that's too arcady

[pale marsh]

Kill enough players and you respawn naked with no equipment of any kind

[lethal moat]

Gross, why punish players for using the tool they were given outside of natural consequences?

[pale marsh]

Paper map would be nice
But you have to use GPS/pda to determine location on map

[pale marsh]

Funny

[ornate comet]

I feel like people would just kill until they are one away from punishment then stop

[pale marsh]

And in the sense of gen 2 in fighting
Yes I unironically think it should be actively discouraged by the game

[lethal moat]

I've got to spread democracy, but spawning with guns is a very idea

[pale marsh]

Simply spawning naked on your next respawn is simply the funniest and least punishing idea I thought of

[pale marsh]

As per my idea
You'd lose lore and more each time
Not kill 5 times and lose everything

Kill
Die
Have less tools
Repeat
And so on

until ur just naked

[ornate comet]

The radio would be like “be advised there is a naked maniac running around the island”

[lethal moat]

We know gen 2 will be similar to day Z, I just really don't think that idea fits that vision

[ornate comet]

Never played day z

[pale marsh]

I've accepted nothing I "suggest" will be implemented
So imma have fun with it

[hexed forge]

Lore

[valid geyser]

LORE??!

[hexed forge]

No lore

[valid geyser]

aww..

[pale marsh]

Lore is cancelled for today

[hexed forge]

Don has to revive it

[pale marsh]

If by revive you mean say something in incredibly vague and of questionable meaning
Yes

[hexed forge]

Yes, that could get us confused and start a 3 hour convo about overthinking that statement in every possible way

[fast forge]

It seems weird to me that AE would send these Gen 2 on missions to gateway without any weapons. I'm not arguing in favor of weapons at spawn...
hear me out
we spawn in tubes

Why else would you have no kit?

And like, you really gonna send people on missions to a dinosaur island without a firearm?

[pale marsh]

You have stuff presumably
Just firearms that are contentious

[fast forge]

Perhaps AE is still connected to a replicator unit on Gateway? Or maybe the replicator itself chooses to spawn Gen 2, and AE finds a way to take control?

[hexed forge]

Didnt Don say that they dont come from Gateway, aka they are coming to gateway?

[fast forge]

Well if they come from tubes in storage, they could have created those tubes on any island and shipped them to Gateway

As far as the replicator nonsense, I suppose that unties my theory. Maybe an argument could be made that the EIP is off Gateway but... meh

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

yeah it's so open it could even be like - a shipment full of Gen 2 tubes is in transit to Gateway but the ship is sunk along the coast. You wake up, break out of your tube and have to swim for shore

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
that doesn't mean we can't "spawn" on Gateway in-game

an opening "swimming/flying" into the island is fun the first time round, sure.

but having to do it everytime is excessive

[fast forge]

idk parachuting in could be fun a la PUBG and that other game

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, that's the pacing of it being a battle royale
You have to move to win.

[fast forge]

makes sense, tbh I don't know the goals for how The Isle will feel as a shooter

[acoustic osprey]

it's still more survival game.
Having a parachute is just a death wish.

it wouldn't matter in a irl scenario in the isle.
But multiplayer game-wise?

https://tenor.com/view/teen-titans-go-birdie-ttg-cyborg-guys-look-a-birdie-gif-24914555

(easy to spot)

I do know that was one of the original ideas back when Gen2s were just mercs

which is fine.
They were here to kill. And spawned with gun

[fast forge]

No, it makes sense in terms of coding too, they'd have to create a whole new system for spawning players

Gen 2 only spawn in waves? Bleh

[pale marsh]

I'd like It as a skippable cutscene sort of deal

[acoustic osprey]

so a cinematic?

or pseudo-cinematic?

[fast forge]

I still would wonder why AE is dropping them into this dangerous island with inadequate gear

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair.
I'd far more prefer a tutorial-esque mode do that
rather than just starting into a server like that

[acoustic osprey]

whilst also not being physically built/made for a proper survival body

[pale marsh]

Basically
Rendered in game if possible

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[lethal moat]

I think it's an experiment with Gen 2, rather than retaking the island, though that would be a nice bonus

[pale marsh]

I'd like
A tutorial in general ngl

[acoustic osprey]

zamn!

I would like to see a better UI overhaul first though

albeit, I wish we had Hacker's more "3D UI overhaul idea"

[pale marsh]

Both are very good and should happen sooner

[fast forge]

I don't think that's the vibe they want with the dinosaurs. I feel like they want you to drop into this world and you have to learn or die

[acoustic osprey]

that is amazing.
And leads to many many cool things.

Lore and UI-wise

[acoustic osprey]

*tutorial for Humans

[fast forge]

I think she meant for all playables with the "in general" bit

but I agree

[acoustic osprey]

but you could easily link a tutorial for dinosaurs.
However, through some specific routes.

These tutorials would be lore x gameplay tutorials

[pale marsh]

Here's the thing
I don't care what anyone thinks is best or how hardcodre this game is

It's about accessibility

People drop in
And can't enjoy the game cuz they know nothing

[acoustic osprey]

knowing EIPs are canon now.
That allows for an easier chance of doing such

[acoustic osprey]

drop them into a PROPER video game in the mid 90s.
Let them learn like real men!!!

[pale marsh]

The they're either gonna look for info elsewhere

Or it could just be put into. The game

[fast forge]

I agree, I just meant like, dev vision for the mood of the game

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message Please!!!

[pale marsh]

Isaac, do not compare the simplicity of a 90s game to the isle

Also a lot of games came with manuals back then iirc

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-gif-21766626

[fast forge]

I grew up with Metroid, Dragon Quest, and Battletoads on the NES... I didn't get far in those games

[acoustic osprey]

A lot of modern games come with YouTube tutorials from 3rd parties.
Checkmate!!

[fast forge]

but if you lost the manual, bought the game secondhand, or didn't have a subscription to "nintendo power" you still didn't have any clue what was going on

[pale marsh]

That's not on the game or the game devs

[pale marsh]

So why not save them the time and put the basics in game

Minimum explain things like how to read the compass
Cuz it took me months to realize the points are north and south

Cuz uh
No it's really not that obvious

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

Nah let the new players suffer. It shall be a tradition among The Isle.

[pale marsh]

I will throw you off a bridge

[hexed forge]

yay

However I always wished for The Isle to have a "Database" section in the main menu

Basic controls, HOWEVER!

The dinosaur information can only be found ingame, and if you find a paper about the information, it gets saved to your own database. There for you to look at in the main menu

For example this paper can be found ingame, once you find it, its available for you to see in that section of the menu.

If you did not find it, its a blank screen, or put in an error msg of some sorts.

And perhaps, an achievement of sorts to get all the information

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-talking-gif-24637905

[fast forge]

that could be fun

[pale marsh]

I'd love this

[fallow harbor]

oooh don said he was gonna work on these more

i wonder what he cooked up, he said he was gonna do someone in the weekend on friday or saturday

[hexed forge]

[umbral patrol]

Unlocking of lore bits in game please stuff that isn’t already known as canon that you can find to encourage exploration a lot more for people who enjoy more than rawr me kill become big strong Dino

[lethal moat]

Gimmie gimmie gimmie

[umbral patrol]

Like you happen across a dossier or pocket book in a random bush outside a derelict building you can interact with

Things like that

Achievements for getting x amount of in game lore stuff unlocked

[lethal moat]

Achievements would be sick

[umbral patrol]

Yeah for sure gives players something to do outside of just survival and feeling like they log on to do chores lol and maybe doing things like that can give them an unlockable perk for the next life or something or a skin pattern

[lethal moat]

Restablish the entirety of the communications network

[umbral patrol]

Yesss

Or find the electric issue for the tram system

So much potential for “quests” without feeling MMO

[lethal moat]

I think the monorail will be completely non functional

Derailed maybe

[umbral patrol]

Sadness

I do think adding an achievement system would bolster the human play aspect even more not just for Dino’s

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

Toaster popups were perfect

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Have it be some sort of barrier to block a tunnel maybe

[acoustic osprey]

No!!

[lethal moat]

Not seal, just limit it to omni sized or smaller from that end of the tunnel

Maybe have it so an apex can push it out of the way

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[lethal moat]

If gen 2 is able to close large doors to seal off parts of GUTS, that lets dinosaurs know that there are humans nearby, but also stops them from getting through that way, which I think could make for some interesting situations of finding an alternate way to either kill the gen 2 or get through the door

[acoustic osprey]

[ornate comet]

"500kg"

[strange shell]

"APPR." Also the paper is about a juvie

[acoustic osprey]

and it's also dubbed as unhelpful document!!

[lethal moat]

I wonder if there’s an instance of a character going “Oh yeah, I got it, watch this.” And then proceeding to them not gotting it and everything goes wrong for them.

[fast forge]

overconfidence?

[lethal moat]

Or stupidity, flip a coin and decide

[lethal moat]

Wonder if gen 2 are “colonizers” where they are proving that the altered world could work

[ornate comet]

That means we can cancel them yippie

[lethal moat]

I mean, gen 2 being “perfect” sounds close enough to eugenics for twitter

[ornate comet]

I can smell the anthomnia video

[lethal moat]

AE’s whole thing is making morally questionable decisions, but people are going to think that AE are “the good guys” there are no good sides, there are just individuals struggling to survive, and maybe grouping with others to do so

[ornate comet]

I wonder if AE tells them what they’re in for when they go to the island

Or do they just drop em in and say good luck

[lethal moat]

Then they’ll probably default to the warhammer argument of “are we supposed to empathize with humans or with the genetic monstrosities” to which my response will be “they’re all (or some) have human minds and now you’re the bad person.”

[lethal moat]

I would think they have at least some idea of their goals, maybe not their opponents though

What’s the subnautica line?

Leviathan class anomaly in your area?

[pale marsh]

It's Twitter
Just show them gen 1 and 2 can have dark skin and call it a day
Or just be Norma and never think about Twitter ever in your life

[lethal moat]

Butbutbutbut it’s clearly an allusion to ww2 promoting one side’s ideology

[pale marsh]

"detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region. Are you certain whatever you are doing is worth it?"

[lethal moat]

Thats the one

[pale marsh]

If ur gonna strawman the NEATS on Twitter u can do better than that

They'd ignore skin colors on the humans and see gen2 as a supposed perfect white man and go from there
Anyway
Lore

[lethal moat]

Hopeful for juicy devblog

[ornate comet]

I wanna see that new evrima trailer that they were working on

[snow jasper]

fr

[fast forge]

sounds like the contract is pretty explicit:
#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

What if gen 2 don't sign the contract

[strange rapids]

Ark: survival the isle

[lethal moat]

You care for some lore good sir?

[strange rapids]

I lurk heavily. Only like 100 hours in game. But the activity of this discord between lore theories and general discussion makes an interesting read every time I open the app

But the lore is deep and quite the read

[lethal moat]

You read the document we made?

[strange rapids]

Ping me 👀 I miss out on hours of conversations and can’t always scroll up to catch up

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[strange rapids]

Looks like it’s time for my lunch break

[lethal moat]

We also have the server, podcast, and a few yt channels if you like

[strange rapids]

My favorite to binge while going to bed, any good suggestions

[lethal moat]

Lightclaw is the highest quality lore channel so far, and the podcast is on spotify, with the first episode also being on youtube

[strange rapids]

What. A. Read.

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Lore

[hexed forge]

[strange rapids]

ay.
Unspecified AE Dino Hunting Facility: Mentioned in Dondi stream 2/20/24, not specified further.

Is this in reference to the Dino hunting themselves or like a big game reserve hosting ‘rich dentists’?

[lethal moat]

Its for humans (maybe gen 2) to hunt the dinosaurs

[strange rapids]

Copy, going to have to deep dive this to be on the same page as everyone else

[lethal moat]

🫡

[hexed forge]

Training facility perhaps?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[fast forge]

I've been trying to get on the same page as everyone else for 3 months

[wraith maple]

hear me out, troodons are scientists

[fast forge]

troodon made troodon

[hexed forge]

Hear me out, John Cake is the CEO of AE

[fallow harbor]

maybe he was the first successful gen 2

[strange shell]

Maybe John Cake is the person Gen 2s are based off

[pale marsh]

The first person eip put in gen2 body was Johnathan cake maybals

I googled it
cake was a real last name

[fallow harbor]

maybe its name has meaning

like instead of john doe

its john cake

and the cake has atleast a little bit of menaing

although it prolly doesnt

don would say that im reading too much into it

[pale marsh]

Oh absolutely
There's no way John cake would be real as anything more than a toungue and cheek joke

[lethal moat]

The person who logs in on the living roadmap uses the letters JC

[pale marsh]

Rumple
So help me
Don't over analyze the joke character

[lethal moat]

I’m just saying there’s potentially a joke reference already, the living roadmap doesn’t have in-game significance, so that’s where it would fit best

[hexed forge]

Did some just say "Over analyze" Thats my job!

[pale marsh]

Then over analyze the significance of gen1 having Oni teeth

[hexed forge]

So.

[hexed forge]

If teeth are teeth then what will the REAL teeth be? Just teeth? But then teeth wouldnt be teeth, it would be TEETH. Aka. John cake is actually me

[pale marsh]

Consider
In Japanese myth
Oni are often created from wicked People slowly being transformed by their own evil

EIPs are back

[lethal moat]

Canines make eating meat easier

[strange rapids]

I have so many thoughts and none of them good!

[pale marsh]

Also hyper rex has a similar style of Oni teeth

[lethal moat]

It's hard to stay on the same page unless you stay here constantly, since new information arrives and is processed very quickly

[lethal moat]

Those have a purpose

[pale marsh]

Even then not sure half of us are ever on the same page

[lethal moat]

Mhm

Which is why we made the lore server to quickly catch people up to speed and they can ask questions we might know the answer to

[pale marsh]

Lore!

[hexed forge]

erol!

[pale marsh]

Anyway
Up
Gen1 Oni analogy will be my new cope

(They are meant to resemble Oni I remember asking dondi that when the faces were first revealed in here)

[lethal moat]

Canines make ripping and tearing easier

[pale marsh]

sigh

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Dreams crushed by rumple

[lethal moat]

It happens

[pale marsh]

No their not crushed at all, id find the gif from dondi if I knew how to search it

Found it

I may not be lore brained
But I know my dang design motifs

[lethal moat]

Oni are neat (the extent of my knowledge comes from lego ninjago)

[pale marsh]

They're basically Japan's version of ogres

Evil and Brutish,

[lethal moat]

🧅 ❔

[hexed forge]

Onion?

[lethal moat]

Do they have layers?

[hexed forge]

Depends

[fast forge]

The cake is a lie

TBH I feel like the isle was inspired by several other pieces of media, and Portal was one of them

[lethal moat]

It's a melting pot

[fast forge]

I think John Cake being a joke meme is maybe a reference to "the cake is a lie" joke meme

nothing further, just a fun nod

[lethal moat]

Or it's cake because the old gen 2 had a nice butt

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[lethal moat]

You make an excellent argument

[fast forge]

I definitely feel like the bizarre redacted official/scientific documents are inspired by SCP

[hexed forge]

I beg your pardon

[fast forge]

BUTT

[lethal moat]

I simply speak the truth

[ornate comet]

[acoustic osprey]

So far
Haha

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-richard-ayoade-maurice-moss-ugh-no-disgusted-gif-25103916

[lethal moat]

I'm not going to put a ton of effort into youtube, I'm just a social presence, I don't want to do videos

[wraith maple]

john doe is the fbis go too for a missing person thats anonymous
a serial killer yet to be caught and is infamous is a "john doe"

[acoustic osprey]

The cake part is a joke about it's model

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-richard-ayoade-maurice-moss-what-shocked-gif-24956143

[fast forge]

I have ideas and want to make stuff, but I also work 40 hours a week and never seem to have the energy to do it

So far I have a single video

That will soon be outdated once hordetest goes live

[lethal moat]

Might do some writing when we get more stuff, but I despise editing

[hexed forge]

Im a serious content creator, My recent video got 4 views

So famous

[hexed forge]

Yk what channel is better than you on isle lore!!?

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-my-mom-shirt-swing-trash-talk-bye-gif-5037821

[fast forge]

the moment presented itself, I had to seize the opportunity

[hexed forge]

Lore in devblog please

[fast forge]

only if you be a good kid and eat all of your strain plants

[hexed forge]

I ate a total of 5.7 tons of those today

[valid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-side-eye-side-eye-cat-food-cat-food-side-eye-gif-3423883768828421583

[lofty swallow]

same dude!

[acoustic osprey]

Ok
Give me link

https://tenor.com/view/id-best-investigate-it-crowd-richard-ayoade-maurice-moss-jen-barber-gif-22688941

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-lied-liar-oops-goodluck-gif-4081024

[lethal moat]

[lofty swallow]

Wait so, (bear with me haven't learnt the lore) the gen 1s are the alien-looking cannibals, and gen 2s are just normal people?

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[lofty swallow]

Are the gen 2s created by the replicator or are they just normal people AE hired to come on the island as a sort of test subject to their creations?

[lethal moat]

Created, maybe by replicator, maybe not

[pale marsh]

Presumably everything you play as In the game will be created in some form

[lofty swallow]

Interesting, what purpose do they serve to the grand scheme of things?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-i-dont-know-gif-14777043

[lofty swallow]

How come they know how to use equipment like guns?

Were they taught or programmed?

[lethal moat]

They're "perfect" people and are smart

[lethal moat]

Don't know

[lofty swallow]

So ___ created the gen 2s, and AE handed them a bunch of equipment to.. kill their dinosaurs they previously made?

Or do you guys think that they built the equipment

[lethal moat]

Nah, most equipment will be scavenged from the island(s)

[pale marsh]

Ok so
1 as I understand gen 1 and 2 we're not created for the same purpose
As whatever gen1 are is not a failure

And
For whatever reason
Gen2 seem to be sent to the island on a mission
For what we do not knoe

[lofty swallow]

Good to know. I'm gonna write down a few theorys I have one sec

[pale marsh]

Also
As I understand
In lore
Dinos, and both humans do not exist all on the same island as their are more islands

I'm still not sure if gen1 are even on gateway in lore
I'm starting to lean towards they aren't
And it's simply discrepancy between gameplay and story

[hexed forge]

Did you mean to reply to me

Because I have the lore channel link that is better than yours!! More lore info

[lethal moat]

[lofty swallow]

What are gen 2s' purpose?

1. If they were put on one of the islands, could they have possibly been sent to retrieve data from the dinosaurs? I mean from the new Diabloceratops trail cam video, and if the person who re set up the camera after it fell down was a gen 2, maybe they were sent to gain data and information from the behavior of the dinosaurs. But the fact that the Herrerasaurus shows many cameras set up across the area, and AE being able to access it without risk, this probably disproves this theory.

[lethal moat]

They recapture and rebuild bases

[hexed forge]

Lorewise, we don't know yet tho. Just a theory

[lethal moat]

They'll be able to do it in game

[hexed forge]

They can kill dinosaurs ingame, does that mean their mission is to kill all dinos?

[lofty swallow]

Hmm, maybe AE just wanted to see what would happen if they plopped a bunch of disposable recreations of humans on a dinosaur infested island?

e.g How the dinosaurs would react, etc

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

@pale marsh you got unmutedd

[pale marsh]

Do keep in mind
AE isn't supposed to be overtly evil or anything like rhay

Yes rumple asked krpw to unmute me
Cuz evrimo got muted for literally the exact same reason

[lofty swallow]

ah dang, I wanted to go the genocide route for their part in the lore

[lethal moat]

Morally ambiguous

[pale marsh]

Problem is
Idk what dondi consider comically evil and morally gray

As I've said
Let me examine his brain

[lethal moat]

You can kill a lot of things and justify it if the benefit is greater than the cost

[hexed forge]

[pale marsh]

I don't think you can use genocide to justify anything really

But
Not important
The isle

[hexed forge]

Isle The

[lethal moat]

Take the trolly problem and replace the single guy with EIPs and the entirety of the world with the 4 dudes

[lofty swallow]

Yeah, I think it's just a perspective of what you're willing to do to get what you want.

[lofty swallow]

In this case for AE, results.

(whoops, did not mean to double ping sorry)

[pale marsh]

I don't think torturing EIPs in experiments is equal to genocide, different concepts

Maybe if AE was explicitly trying to kill off all of it's assets tho

[lethal moat]

If EIPs die and come back, does that not count as death?

[lofty swallow]

Uh, question, I'm a bit confused on the concept of EIPs

[pale marsh]

It's death
But genocide isn't just killing people alot

[lethal moat]

Human minds in not their own bodies

[hexed forge]

The pain yes

[lofty swallow]

sheesh, alright we're going that route

[pale marsh]

Its removing or displacing certain demographics
Usually thru killing

[hexed forge]

If they can feel pain, if they cant... then.. that changes a lot

[lethal moat]

Demographic of people who signed thousand life contract

[pale marsh]

Yes but ur not displacing them
AE doesn't want to get rid of them

[lofty swallow]

meaning they agreed to be killed a thousand times?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[lofty swallow]

in the name of s c i e n c e

[hexed forge]

I will be posting that image instead of explaining it from now on

[fast forge]

we don't even know if this was the motivation. immortality?

[lofty swallow]

yeah why would you want to be immortal..?

I mean when you really think about it

[lethal moat]

Because it's the best kind of immortality, the kind that ends

[hexed forge]

Not permanently, temporarily only for the thousand lives of potential pain

Alright guys, we gotta ask Don if EIPs can feel pain. That will decide whether it's torture or not

[lethal moat]

My bet is yes

[lofty swallow]

Well what happens after their thousand life contract?

do they get set free in human bodies?

[hexed forge]

Then that would count as torture

[lethal moat]

We don't even know anything about the contract

[lethal moat]

Yeah?

[hexed forge]

We just know it's connected to EIPs right?

[lethal moat]

Probably

[acoustic osprey]

No

[lofty swallow]

I'd think that be un questionable right? In the name of s c i en c e and accurate r e s u l ts

[hexed forge]

Everytime you kept saying on how it's not torture and now you do a 180 and say it does

[acoustic osprey]

It was in legacy

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[acoustic osprey]

No reason to doubt it won't be for evrima

[lofty swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/looks-like-its-time-for-another-therapy-session-therapy-session-sokka-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-gif-27668778

[hexed forge]

Ah

[hexed forge]

Oh no

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[hexed forge]

Why

[acoustic osprey]

Because

You signed the thousand life contract in legacy

You are a profile

[lethal moat]

Worth

[acoustic osprey]

Aka. An EIP

[pale marsh]

What does eip even stand for

[hexed forge]

I was being stupid

[lethal moat]

Embryo Intelligence Profile

[pale marsh]

Hmm
Odd