isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

going to go without honestly
thanks

[acoustic osprey]

@lethal moat

[lethal moat]

I'll change the chart

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[kindred bobcat]

what the hell was type O?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gone-reduced-to-atoms-end-game-infinity-war-gif-15573921

[acoustic osprey]

ha

[lethal moat]

We never knew, it existed, then it didn't that's about it

[strange shell]

The oreo strain didn't survive The Isle

[lethal moat]

O for obliterated

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[shadow shale]

Why do you guys think dinosaurs were actually developed by AE

[snow jasper]

Maybe designed

[patent ginkgo]

I mean, it’s kinda the whole point of AE in lore

[snow jasper]

👄

God created the dinosaurs

[hybrid wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[lethal moat]

To create an environment that can withstand climate change so life can continue on is my best guess

[hybrid wagon]

dondi its been years what are these

And please tell me they are still coming because they are cool af

[lethal moat]

Outdated at this point is my guess

[young viper]

could we atleast guess whos the guy behind apollo

the big boss

i dont think so

https://tenor.com/view/joker-popcorn-eating-gif-11637371

[lethal moat]

We know very little about them (or thems, we can't be sure)

[snow jasper]

Lisnagarvey transmitting station

Basically outdated radio tower architecture, but because the isle is different, they wanna be all fancy oo and aaah and be all quirky and that

https://tenor.com/view/lost-world-malcolm-ian-malcolm-ooh-ah-thats-how-it-always-starts-dinosaurs-gif-17939761

[young viper]

Thats all i got

[lethal moat]

Pretty sure that's Dondi

[young viper]

Does this help with anything in the lore or is it just old non-recyclable stuff? (I was crawling through old posts)

[lethal moat]

Old stuff

[young viper]

"Forced evolution is a wonderful thing"

I have a feeling that whoever it is, likes this

(besides just taking it as work)

[acoustic osprey]

Project Hades

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/i-request-elaboration-white-vision-paul-bettany-wandavision-i-want-an-explanation-gif-22928362

[lethal moat]

Hyper carno was project Hades

[acoustic osprey]

Mhm

[fast forge]

Associated with Hades entry?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[acoustic osprey]

Probably not

[snow jasper]

Would the front or back be considered the entry? 🤔

[lethal moat]

If you can enter it, it's an entry

[snow jasper]

That gives "if theres a hole, theres a goal" vibes and I do not like it anymore

[lethal moat]

I described how entryways worked...

[fast forge]

most buildings or locations don't have 1-way entry/exit unless there is a specific reason

[snow jasper]

I wasn't referring to a building

[lethal moat]

The front would be the entry in this case

[snow jasper]

Did anybody get it

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-emma-stone-look-judgemental-down-gif-27059984

[lethal moat]

[fast forge]

I did say "or location"

[snow jasper]

But it wasn't a location either

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-gif-27058010

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-apple-reaction-my-reaction-to-that-information-gif-27485447

[acoustic osprey]

ERRANT-291

not technically

Sweep Teams stationed at the Entry points though

[fast forge]

I think it's a dirty joke

[snow jasper]

Yeah, nobody got it in the end

[acoustic osprey]

-technically if you watched Vsauce

[snow jasper]

nooooo

[fast forge]

"got it in the end"

[snow jasper]

no now im the one confused

[hybrid wagon]

Please no

they are so cool

[hybrid wagon]

yea i wonder who that is maybe its a character we know

[hybrid wagon]

nah its definitely some obelisk related to plant strains

[patent ginkgo]

PLANT

[young viper]

I venture to say Dondi, but I have no idea

Because of the short hair I don't think so

[hybrid wagon]

no no jolly we only like plant strains

[patent ginkgo]

oh…

[hybrid wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-floyd-megamind-the-final-cut-the-division-bell-prison-gif-15774557425229186369

pretend that image has a plant strain on it

[patent ginkgo]

ok

[hybrid wagon]

yk what I want in game

good music\

properly implemented plays the perfect song at the perfect time after a fight looking at a view in a human base in guts etc

well developed not just a bunch of songs stuck playing occasionally that is the QoL change i want

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-the-plant-vegans-gif-23768796

New music would be sick

[young viper]

is that the replicator

[lethal moat]

No

[hexed forge]

Thats me, maybe

[fast forge]

Is that Wheatley?

Seriously, that just feels like pixar stole the robot aesthetic from Portal

[acoustic osprey]

No

[fast forge]

oh

[maiden sundial]

Ironically enough wall-e came out in 2008

And the og portal came out in 2007

[hybrid wagon]

its just a modified turret

[acoustic osprey]

WallE taking around 14 years of production
From conception to release

[fast forge]

so they definitely copied it

because we know Valve takes over 20 years to make a game

[acoustic osprey]

Erm
Valve was only 12 years old by the time of portal!!

[fast forge]

that's what you think

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-gabening-intensifies-shaking-gif-15589000

[acoustic osprey]

Oh

[honest sierra]

Ok guys

Let’s talk about why the replicator is going crazy with dinosaurs

Apollo was said to be combating global warming through making an environment that was more adequate for the current climate of the world which is warmer due to global warming itself.

Would it be far fetched to say that the replicator saw dinosaurs as the perfect candidates for the current ecosystem because global warming is mimicking the Mesozoic era?

For example, the Mesozoic era was 7 degrees celsius warmer than it is on average here today

What if the replicator noticed this and deemed that if the world stayed on track with global warming, the best creatures that could be made to survive in such an environment would be one’s that already have?

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[honest sierra]

Dog

Puppy, even

[lethal moat]

Could be, or people decided for the replicator and the replicator just does as it’s told

[honest sierra]

Why would a medical company create dinosaurs though

Well, environmental company I guess

[lethal moat]

I don’t recall AE being a medical company

[honest sierra]

It wasn’t?

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

Wrong ping but oh well

[lethal moat]

We’ve got Apollo Pharmaceuticals North for strictly medicine, and strains have some parallels to medicine, but AE isn’t focused primarily on medicine to out knowledge

[honest sierra]

I see I see

[fast forge]

The thing is, we have dinosaurs from time periods with environments that are as different from each other as they are from our own environment

Like, the time of t-rex is as different from our time as it was from herrerasaurus' time

[lethal moat]

More historically accurate for t-rex vs f22 than rex vs stego

[fast forge]

Also if our dinosaurs are 'not dinosaurs' then they may not have had the adaptations that the real animals had

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[fast forge]

f22?

[iron anchor]

yer

[fast forge]

oh is that a tank or something?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/f22pulling-f22raptor-raptor-f22-gif-27356054

[fast forge]

ah

[scarlet verge]

It's called the raptor lol

[lethal moat]

F22 raptor

[scarlet verge]

Lol yeah I was just letting her in on the multi-level joke

It was clever, I liked it

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/theodoros-gif-18371963

[maiden sundial]

It's the scariest thing to be in the sky since the cretaceous

[lethal moat]

Would you intercept him?

[honest sierra]

Id intercept me

[pale marsh]

LORE

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190479571762548807/1202078473896599693/8e5toh.gif

Im more of afraid of you in your mig 21

[lethal moat]

Irrelevant your honor, motion to dismiss

[fossil nebula]

shows f-22 raptor

[hexed forge]

I know, there was no good mig 21 image

[ruby nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-sector-barrel-roll-night-gif-18290194

[fossil nebula]

how dare yee

[hexed forge]

oh

[fossil nebula]

its a pic of one thats been upgraded for a diff country

[hexed forge]

Looks polish

[ruby nimbus]

MiG

Might make it off the ground (21)= seconds the pilot has to live

[maiden sundial]

Hell nah

[maiden sundial]

Rumple in a F-22 is infinitely more scary than rumple in a mig.

[lethal moat]

What do you mean? I'm innocent and adorable

[maiden sundial]

Nobody is innocent and adorable when in a F-22

[lethal moat]

[fossil nebula]

when the aliens come im sure they will think 22s are cute

and those are the only things that would ever ever have the slightest chance to do, something.

that flies I guess

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[maiden sundial]

Why would they want a planet like ours. It's probably way too heavy for them, populated with an insane amount of scary diseases animals, and other nasties.

[hexed forge]

Guys this is a refugee camp from islediscussion chat, they are going insane there. So lets talk lore!

[fossil nebula]

Who knows they could have a agenda

or we have hella gold water and other stuff

so much gold in our core

only say gold bc its like one of the most useful metals

[pale marsh]

Question
Assuming all the metals used on the islands are real alloys and metals used irl
How feasible is it for tribals to repurpose and reforge scrapped metal into tools

Assuming they know how, like, firing clay, and crucibles etc etc

[hexed forge]

Its possible

[pale marsh]

How
Difficult would it be to heat and forge steel using primitive tech??

Idk really know how high the temps need to be and if it's achievable without modern tools

[hexed forge]

Okay maybe not Iron tools actually, I doubt they would go that far. I thought of stone tools.

[hexed forge]

Maybe the volcano?

Idk, I doubt irons tools will be able to be crafted by Gen1s

[pale marsh]

That's just melt the metal too fast righ

[pale marsh]

My line of thinking is
Even copper or bronze age civs can create iron tools
They just need iron in its natural metal form like meteoric iron

Idea being
Island once inhabited by humans would be filled with iron or iron alloys in their metal form

[fossil nebula]

I think very possible, as the remote island near india has a tribe thats uncontacted and they used parts from a cargo ship that crashed

[pale marsh]

(I don't want gen1 to have iron tools in game outside ramshackled scrap, jus a thought expirement I guess)

I do hope gen1 are atleast capable of basic pottery tho

If they can make fire and dig clay,
They have the option realistically speaking

[hexed forge]

Dondi once said that there will be different tribes/versions/etc of gen1s no? I think I remember something like that. So I would imagine some version of gen1 specializing in that and another version specializing in that So it could be possible

Builder gen1s

[pale marsh]

Hmm
Inch resting?

Either way, I hope they have more options in tech than what most people assume to be stone age

Basic, rock on stick
Lame
And boring

Give me pottery

[hexed forge]

Possibly

[pale marsh]

Ceramic armor

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmm

If they give us custom color options with the ceramic it would be very nice

[pale marsh]

I don't think, ceramic lammelar armor is practical but it's cool

[pale marsh]

War paint! war paint! war paint!

[lethal moat]

Hell yeah

[pale marsh]

Maybe that could be where the different tribes come in
You make your tribe after loading in on character creation

And can choose a tribe color pallete and insignia

Doubt it'll happen but it's cool

[hexed forge]

Oh god, the cult wars on servers There will be an entire server with just gen1s enabled. That might actually be very fun ngl

[pale marsh]

I'd be down for it

Faction wars!!

[hexed forge]

Indeed, just a bunch of gang wars in trees. Entire wars

[pale marsh]

Chimp event the server

[pale marsh]

According to nerds on a reddit post I found

Ceramic would make decent cheap armor
It's just heavy

[lethal moat]

Against bullets and slashing, temporary ceramicx armor could work

[pale marsh]

Then that's my new cope
Ceramic armor for tribals

[lethal moat]

I'm not holding out hope, and at this point I'm starting to doubt spears and more so sharpened log

[pale marsh]

Yeaaa

I desperately want to know exactly what kind of tech age they'll be in

[hexed forge]

If it doesnt come to the base game, it will 100% come with mods.

[pale marsh]

Cuz even stone age leaves a lot of stuff available

Atleast let us have stone tools

[hexed forge]

When the isle is finished I feel like there is so many opportunities to make the game into completely different games using mods. Imagine gen1 being remodeled into an alien.

[lethal moat]

mhm

[pale marsh]

Mod the isle into Minecraft and mod Minecraft into the isle

[hexed forge]

At that point just make an isle-minecraft collab

[pale marsh]

Mojang would never but I wish

[acoustic osprey]

Someone has made evrima models into mine craft

[lethal moat]

<@&933486433342222376>

[ionic sable]

[neon wolf]

i thought i got rid of them all... grrr. time to relook

[lethal moat]

Thanks

[neon wolf]

looks like that was the only one i missed

ty for the ping

[lethal moat]

[patent ginkgo]

Thyler being just as heroic as ever

[mortal hound]

whut

what happened here while I was asleep

[acoustic osprey]

spammer link dudes

[mortal hound]

oh how fun

my favorite!

[steel summit]

i like them since i can use fun gifs on them before they die

[fast forge]

What if the answer to "why dinosaurs?" is that it was just an accident/oversight, but AE was like similar to the giant crabs

Perhaps the replicator was created to revive extinct modern species to fill modern ecological niches that have been left vacant, but for whatever reason it went too far and started bringing back dinosaurs

idk just spitballing here

[patent ginkgo]

Hmm, good theory. The only thing I can think of that goes against that is how we know the dinos are “unfortunate and necessary”

[fast forge]

oh is that a quote? I wasn't familiar with that one

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah it’s from dondi a while back

#isle-lore-theories message

[fast forge]

Well if this is the far future and the polar ice caps are completely gone, along with all of earth's megafauna, perhaps they were trying to fill mesozoic ecological niches. That would certainly be 'unfortunate and necessary'

[patent ginkgo]

#isle-lore-theories message

[patent ginkgo]

That’s why I like this a lot, as it kind of shows AE moving from “stop climate change” to “survive climate change”

Or rather, prepare earth to survive it

[fast forge]

in a world where we lost the polar ice caps completely, the earth would already be EXTREMELY messed up, it might just be recovery

[patent ginkgo]

That as well

[fast forge]

Although I don't know if we actually could lose the ice caps completely. From what I understand having a large continent like antarctica at the pole causes ice formation there (this is because water is much less likely to have extreme temperatures than land, so antarctica works like a big freezer for the world)

[snow jasper]

earth is in an ice age currently

[fast forge]

yes

[snow jasper]

earth‘s default temp is like 40-60 degrees

by then, mammals would no longer fill main niches in ecosystems

unlikely anyways

[fast forge]

yeah, endothermy (warm-bloodedness) is less necessary in a warmer climate, and is biologically expensive. Mammals can survive hot climates fine, but they may get outcompeted by ectotherms (cold-bloods)

Then again, most dinosaurs were mostly endothermic or maybe halfway in between

[lethal moat]

Dinosaurs are weird

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-now-gif-14938794

[fast forge]

In all practicality, dinosaurs may not have been that much better than mammals at exploiting mesozoic ecosystems, it's just hard for a newcomer (mammals) to expand into niches that are already filled by another animal

[lethal moat]

We’re going back to the beginning and starting over

[fast forge]

well dinosaurs weren't even close to the beginning of the vertebrates, much less multicellular life

Even the word ''mesozoic' means 'middle life'

[lethal moat]

Not the very beginning then, just earlier

[honest sierra]

To the first thanksgiving

[lethal moat]

To stop Turkey from being on the menu

[hexed forge]

It has been only 17 days since the dibble video. It felt like months.... Time is collapsing in my head

https://tenor.com/view/moon-knight-mr-knight-khonshu-steven-grant-spin-gif-25385259

[lethal moat]

Alrighty then, lets do some lore digging tonight

[hexed forge]

Hmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

the original reasoning could definitely be an accident
However, how you transition that to unfortunate and necessary? Definitely some possibilities for such

oh jolly already said that lol

[hexed forge]

Necessary* I got confused for a second

[acoustic osprey]

woops

[fast forge]

Necessary? more like cassowary amirite?

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480390528729091/1081008629047627807/IMG_1332.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/king-shark-suicide-squad-bird-jamegunn-thesuicidesquad-gif-22066177

[hexed forge]

Perhaps AE didn't ever want to create dinosaurs. But then they found out it was necessary to whatever they were doing, to accomplish the goal.

[hexed forge]

The bird: "shark"

[acoustic osprey]

^

[ionic sable]

@pulsar belfry

[hexed forge]

Bird.

[acoustic osprey]

Bird

[lethal moat]

Bird

[hexed forge]

Eagle

[fast forge]

Bird

[hexed forge]

Duck

[strange rapids]

Bird

[lethal moat]

The isle lore theories channel

[hexed forge]

Get back on topic time

[fast forge]

uh birds are dinosaurs, so we technically never left topic 🤓

[hexed forge]

Birds aren't real- dondi

[lethal moat]

I’d say that fits the description “unfortunate but necessary

[hexed forge]

Yippee

[lethal moat]

That quote is in new dev quotes channel if you want to go find it

[fast forge]

that's not really 'unfortunate'

If it's a post-climate apocalypse world, it's unfortunate

[hexed forge]

Unfortunately they had no choice but to create dinosaurs to accomplish the goal

That seems unfortunate

[lethal moat]

I’d say any action that results in having to create a rex for any reason could qualify as unfortunate due to the nature of it being carnivorous megafauna

[hexed forge]

Mm

[fast forge]

If you compare it to an animal like an african elephant, we typically don't keep them in captivity because they are particularly dangerous, but out in the wild it's just an animal. A rex isn't really that dangerous, in the larger scheme of things. Either you let it exist on this tiny island, or you kill it. It's just a big animal.

I think the "unfortunate and necessary" may refer to more of a scientific moral gray area - as a real-world example, testing drugs on animals to save human lives

[hexed forge]

So using dinosaurs to test? But why dinosaurs, they could've used modern animals.

[fast forge]

I wasn't saying testing, that was just an example of moral grayness in science

[pulsar belfry]

hi

[fast forge]

It's possible the "unfortunate" isn't referring to the actions of AE, but rather the reasons for their actions, perhaps climate change

apocalyptic climate change is certainly unfortunate, and actions by AE to ameliorate or solve the issue could be considered necessary

[hexed forge]

But dondi was referring to dinosaurs being unfortunate and necessary. Dinosaurs count into unfortunate

[acoustic osprey]

are you referring to the creation of the dinos being "unfortunate"
or their "reasoning/usage" being "unfortunate" (but necessary)

[hexed forge]

This

[acoustic osprey]

just pick!!

are you referring to the creation of the dinos being "unfortunate"
OR
their "usage" being "unfortunate" (but necessary)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/leo-vijay-thalapathy-vijay-leo-vijay-leo-sanga0230-tps0230-gif-1131003463461824996

[fast forge]

If their creation is unfortunate, that kind of implies an accident, but that is counterintuitive to the necessary part (unless it was a stumbled-upon miracle solution)

This is why I lean more toward their usage being unfortunate - unfortunate circumstances where we are forced to take these measures

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't really say "creation = unfortunate = accident"

that could just mean
They had to make dinosaurs, making it necessary as well

[fast forge]

Yeah but if they had to make dinosaurs, that still doesn't seem unfortunate to me, at face value. idk perhaps it is just referring to them being unpredictable

[acoustic osprey]

i still don't see it alluding to an accident though

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[hexed forge]

Uhhh, top ig

Or bottom, I'm confused

[acoustic osprey]

I'd much rather say the bottom for me

[hexed forge]

I don't mean that the entire creation was unfortunate.

The need to create them was unfortunate, kind of like they were forced to/needed to, in order to accomplish the goal.

I'm confused now

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-critics-choice-awards-side-eye-confused-clapping-gif-14741917063569043913

[fast forge]

I don't really see how the creation of dinosaurs in itself can be considered unfortunate, unless you are expecting a JP escape scenario

[hexed forge]

Specifically the need

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

The need was unfortunate, so I guess bottom

Yeah bottom I think

[fast forge]

In a world where AE has this stuff all on lockdown, making dinosaurs is as unfortunate as making mice

[acoustic osprey]

check again

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/callumiero-gif-24306641

[fast forge]

My only rationale for "unfortunate and necessary" is the 'recreating the mesozoic ecosystems post-climate apocalypse' scenario. I don't love it because it's not well backed-up by my own scientific logic, but it might just be a sci-fi handwave concept

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
the statement by Don refers to/comes from "why" dinosaurs (as in what and why are they used)

• not used for food
  I responded with "a byproduct of research/production?"

Don replies
They're unfortunate and necessary.

[lethal moat]

Dinosaurs very well hustled could have been the the simplest and easiest option, build on what you know rather than designing an entirely knew ecosystem with absolutely no baseline

[acoustic osprey]

Also completely forgot about this lol

Will we have riddles/clues to know such?
Or just simply relying on good old chance

[lethal moat]

Dinos give you a structure to build off of

[fast forge]

once again, my science background makes me want to refute this. Heck, grass didn't even exist during the time of herrerasaurus

[acoustic osprey]

I still believe the initial reasoning for Dinos was/is linked to egomania

referring to and naming everything with Godly names and places isn't the most humble thing in my opinion

[fast forge]

agreed

[lethal moat]

Not the idea behind ecosystem, just the idea of creatures that work with general skeletal structure that you can change to fit whatever ecological niche you feel is needed

[fast forge]

if you were just creating an ecosystem from scratch, you could just do it with modern animals

[lethal moat]

Alright, counterpoint: Dinosaurs are cool

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

What if instead of asking “Why dinosaurs.” We start asking “Why not dinosaurs?”

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[fast forge]

See that could tie into the egomania, but wouldnt' be "unfortunate and necessary"

[hexed forge]

Creating dinosaurs might cost much more to create than modern animals/breed them

[fast forge]

oh yeah, unless they had some miraculous method of creating dinosaurs (which is possible with whatever is up with the replicator), the cost of creating the dinosaurs would far outweigh whatever people would pay for them. Like, people would spend millions to own a dinosaur, but the cost of making them would be even higher

[hexed forge]

I doubt the replicator can create dinos out of thin air

[fast forge]

no, but if it is making them out of "generic" biomass (for lack of better term) it might be much cheaper than trying to reconstruct an actual extinct species, and this would then tie into the "not dinosaur" dinosaurs

[hexed forge]

But, why not just use the same biomass to make the extinct species.

[fast forge]

There's a difference between recreating an animal and bringing back the the original

You could breed or genetically engineer elephants to be furry and adapted to cold environments, or you could bring back mammoths

In scenario 2 they are mammoths, but in scenario 1 they are "mammoths"

[pale marsh]

The only real ish answer

[steel summit]

ummm... artificial ecosystems are often fragile and small changes can bring big repercussions, its very risky to create life, and creatures as big and massive as dinosaurs would probably be very expensive to make, and it would be bad for unexpected things to happen.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/russian-badger-division2-gif-patterson-fire-a-warning-shot-gif-22721331

[lethal moat]

We build it as we go, it might not have been finished, thus the necessity of the replicator of the continuation of the ecosystem

[steel summit]

yes, but wouldnt it have been easier with something other than dinosaurs?

we dont know the purpose of dinosaurs, but is there are reason for why it isnt something else

instead of asking why/why not dinosaurs, ask why not something else?

[lethal moat]

Depends, are those others as efficient as the dinosaurs could be, or could the dinosaurs be an experiment that was starting to work but never quite got there

[steel summit]

efficiency, efficiency in doing what

[lethal moat]

Living in the changed environment

[steel summit]

many many many other creatures are adaptable

and when you create them to fit the climate, the possibilites are endless

[lethal moat]

But dinosaurs

[steel summit]

yes dinosaurs are cool

but consider resources, Æ may be a global company, but it cant be cheap

[lethal moat]

And, maybe dinosaurs can self manage in a manner more sustainable manner than new creations like gen 1

[steel summit]

maybe

i think dondi has said something about the dinosaurs not wanting to leave the island, might be something added into their psyche and instincts during creation

so. they wont leave atleast

[lethal moat]

He said that there might not be a reason for them to leave iirc

[steel summit]

like they can leave, but they dont

even considering things like food, creatures like quetz should realistically probably be migratory or something like that

but they dont leave

[lethal moat]

Maybe there’s nothing to sustain them within reasonable distance, so if they leave, they die or come back

[steel summit]

(with in game food timers yeah)

[lethal moat]

Or artificially induced dependance, similar to JP, though I think that might have already been shot down, I can’t remember

[steel summit]

maybe

the dinosaurs can leave, but they dont.
just like employees at Æ

[lethal moat]

Could connect to EIPs and thousand life contract

[steel summit]

dondi also said that gen 2 can be employees (basically said "why do gen 2 and employee need to be separate")

[lethal moat]

I can see that, if a gen 2 is raised to join the company rather than to be expendable soldier, then they can do their job they were to raised for (like clones from star wars)

[fast forge]

my headcanon is that the dinosaurs are also basically AE employees, what with EIP's and the thousand life contract

[strange shell]

How much a month for being a dino on a tropical island ?

Where do i send an application ?

[patent ginkgo]

Me

[fast forge]

No pay, but you get room and board and maybe functional immortality

[strange shell]

Sign me in

[pseudo fable]

[fast forge]

hi Don

Hope your day is going well

If you have any input on what I said above I'd love to hear it, but my lunch break is over and I gotta go back to cleaning lab mice cages >_<

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-frodo-alright-then-keep-your-secrets-smiling-gif-26462584

[lethal moat]

I like the idea of dependent immortality via the replicator, why stay in your old body when you can use a machine to live over and over again with new experiences

Thousand life contract could be agreeing to be a test subject in exchange for that functional immortality

And it’s the best kind of immortality, the kind that can end eventually, not the torture that is being conscious forever

[fast forge]

But you are also dependent on the tech, so there are strings attached. You are stuck with the machine, you can't just wander the world living forever

[lethal moat]

Right, but that depends on exactly the constraints of the contract and how the machine works

Or, we’re thinking about this entirely wrong

[fast forge]

A couple weeks ago you mentioned "hostile entities", does this perhaps tie into Errant 291? My own fun idea is that 291 was an example of corporate espionage, or something similar

[hexed forge]

Is there a dondi summoning ritual? I know punch has one 🤔

[lethal moat]

I'll need 3 slices of cheese, a hamburger, a dog, a cat, and then another hamburger.

[hexed forge]

Mcdonalds? Made out of a supermarket? Wawa? Which one

[lethal moat]

The two hamburgers need to be from two different locations, but it doesn't matter the locations.

[hexed forge]

Apollo Engineering it is

[blazing hinge]

I wouldnt recomend using burger king and mcdonalds together though, that tends to produce some unsavory side effects

[patent ginkgo]

What

[acoustic osprey]

yes

i believe it's from LOTR

let me try and find it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968592718102138960/1087535724162719847/lotrlinegif.gif

there you go
should be this one

[lethal moat]

What if the replicator makes both gen 1 and gen 2 in the same location (assuming the replicator makes gen 2)

Maybe not the same room, but different parts of the same facility

Capture the flag in order to stop the enemy from respawning

[acoustic osprey]

50/50 on that one

i'd presume Gen2s, if made in the same exact location as Gen1s, would be only done
Basically Gen2s are only produced.

[lethal moat]

I agree, it is possible, but not confirmed, however, it makes sense to me for gen 2 to be produced at the same location or close to where gen 1 are made because of their similarities

[lethal moat]

What if it’s something the size of Perimeter and the different halves to different things

[acoustic osprey]

I don't why Gen1s would be made at the same time as Gen2s
where it sounds like it's a progression of development

[lethal moat]

More experimentation? Maybe they have some alternative benefit that gen 2 don’t have?

Either way, we know gen 1 will be able to tie up and capture gen 2 in game, so we know both exist at the same time

[steel summit]

yeah

[lethal moat]

And for the sake of gameplay, I would very much hope that Gen 1 would be able to interact with gen 2

Let me tie people up and sacrifice it to the machine mother

[steel summit]

maybe, but the gen 2 should be able to escape once tied up (maybe not easily but still be able to escape), an ability with no escape where you just become stuck would be bad (deino lunge is like this but not as bad since it doesnt take too long until you die)

[lethal moat]

Maybe if you have a knife and they don’t take it

I really want to do some atrocious things to gen 2 to send a message to other gen 2 who enter the area I stay in, let me put heads on spikes

Launching an attack to save fellow gen 2 would be epic

Depending on how far apart AE’s islands are, amphibious vehicles could be a really solid option

[steel summit]

take it?, i mean i wouldnt give gen 1 the ability to take gen 2 stuff (maybe the things they actively have equipped and are holding), if they dont have the cognitive ability for religion i dont know if they'd be able to look through the pockets of gen 2

[lethal moat]

Probably not pockets, but removing backpack, something in a sheath, anything on the belt, etc, and I doubt someone completely tied up would be able to access their pockets

[acoustic osprey]

I don't
just why call them Gen2? If not the second iteration of Gen1s

[steel summit]

maybe, but

[acoustic osprey]

henceforth, the project evolves into working solely on Gen2s

[lethal moat]

Generation 1 and generation 2 I feel imply different iterations

[acoustic osprey]

if not
why refer to them as Gen2s though?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
hence a change in time

so I see Gen2s being the second iteration, being it's name

[lethal moat]

Mhm

Gen 1’s continued existence might also not be intentional, but rather an accident, and their original creation was either unintentional or a stepping stone

[acoustic osprey]

i presume their existence is due to lack of control upon the islands are they (at least mostly) station/injected on

which would make sense seeing "the incident"

[lethal moat]

Right

[acoustic osprey]

left

[lethal moat]

And that depends on exactly how widespread the incident is

And the nature of said incident

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
there's definitely no arguing that some islands contain a lack of control due to the incident

like Gateway

[lethal moat]

But we don’t currently have anything to compare gateway to

Which is a large contributor to us not having anything to gauge AE’s standards, protocols, or what’s happened to certain areas

[acoustic osprey]

still
it still remains

Gen1s would preoccupy, at least, Gateway (to some extent)

at least on the visible surface

[lethal moat]

I want to know more about containment procedures, like what’s going on with the domes

I think each dome would have at least one GUTS entrance, with Perimeter possibly acting as some sort of central hub for GUTS, not a bottleneck, but more of a subway station style situation, as a primary junction, with secondary connections elsewhere

[acoustic osprey]

If anything
I see the GUTS entrances as bottlenecks

[lethal moat]

Surface entrances? Yes. Connections to other tunnels underground? Maybe

Underground dino niche could be fun (give it to rugops)

[acoustic osprey]

Troodon!!

[lethal moat]

Depends how the venom rework ends up going, maybe solo troodon against gen 2, but it also depends how often people actually use GUTS

Put water sources down there, I think that would be enough

[robust ether]

I thought we recently learned it's going to be less a venom rework and more venom tweaks?

[robust ether]

oh hell yeah murky little puddles of disgusting underground runoff water

[hexed forge]

Yeah tweaks

[acoustic osprey]

i don't really see venom changing how troodon is as a playable against Gen2s

[hexed forge]

Filipe said it isn't a rework. Just tweaks

[lethal moat]

Damn

[fast forge]

Drat

[fast forge]

So I've been catching up on the podcast, and currently listening to the episode about errant 291, and I think I have settled on my own opinion about 291

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/all-ears-hear-out-im-listening-attentive-hearken-gif-22832705

[fast forge]

I think errant 291 was made by the replicator early in its 'defection' to test Apollo security entrances.

I think the phrase "no active biotrace" simply means that 291 has a biotrace (which is IMO just the genomic code for a particular body), but that biotrace was not in active use by AE - in storage or whatever. The replicator pulled this body out of storage or replicated it to wander around and explore the island - a first scouting after the replicator gained sentience or whatever.

This would explain why AE didn't bother to go check on the 'real' 291 or wonder why this person isn't at their designated position - this biotrace isn't even supposed to be active at all. My theory is that the replicator was still just learning the basics of AE security, and so knew that this 'spy' would need a keycard and a physical map, but didn't have a PDA because that would require a login that is harder to steal and could be traced.

291 could have had an EIP that was coded with basic instructions (go here and look around, go there and look around), or it could have been a drone or AI driver. I think the heart attack that 291 suffered was intentional on the part of the replicator - it had learned enough, and that asset (291) was likely to lead to a compromised mission if allowed to continue living

This may even be the first sign AE had that the replicator was making moves - at the time they probably had no idea why this inactive biotrace was running around at all, nor would they know it was connected to the replicator

Just my thoughts, I think that's all I had

[lethal moat]

I frankly don’t know what to think about 291, but my best guesses are type n, replicator, or external hostile forces

[meager junco]

Yeh someone recently had a somewhat similar theory that I’m warming up to so I do like the way you see it, the only thing is the sentience part, I’m still not sure if the replicator is sentient or more or less, following it’s program, or more or less, a program AE gave it and it just follows it down to a deeper meaning that even they didn’t understand

[fast forge]

My personal take is a mix of those. It is intelligent enough to start crafting plans and be secretive, but perhaps still following a prime directive

I personally lean away from a neurotenic explanation because I think they are still just setting down the core lore before expanding into the weird stuff like that

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[meager junco]

Just the idea of AE finding someone/something that isn’t supposed to be where it is, is cool imo, I love how secretive everything is and how most things will have to be found ingame for the answers

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/ducktales-ducktales2017-beware-the-buddy-system-officer-arrest-this-man-gif-21874288

[meager junco]

Poor errant, he was just doing his thing

[hexed forge]

Errant, I think it was @swift echo

[lethal moat]

Just little guy, goobering around

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-one-piece-gif-26556871

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-monster-monster-point-chopper-monster-monster-chopper-gif-22856459

That gif that you just posted can turn into that ^

So uh.... yeah... a little guy!!

[acoustic osprey]

We do know you can tamper with a biotrace

[fast forge]

y'all mentioned it on the podcast, but 291's lack of direction and no shifty behavior makes me think it wasn't corporate espionage

[fast forge]

I'm guessing that's just genetic engineering or mutations, tampering with your own genetic code - you gotta stay vanilla gen 2

[acoustic osprey]

That sounds more complicated then it's mention

[lethal moat]

I think biotrace could be something like a tracking chip, which you could remove with some effort

[acoustic osprey]

Statement still stands!!

[fast forge]

then what's the "bio" in biotrace if it's just a tracking chip?

[lethal moat]

The thing that’s being tracked

[meager junco]

I like to think it’s a sort of genetic tracker, something in most of AEs creations that can be found through a sort of scanner/satellite of sorts

[fast forge]

then why not use the same term for dibble?

[lethal moat]

We never see what is used to track them, just the tracking sustem

[acoustic osprey]

Well
These are still employees

At least perceived so in errant291

[acoustic osprey]

And this is true as well

The "animalised" version may simply be the chiptracking system

[fast forge]

ehh I still think the simplest explanation is that biotrace is AE's shorthand for genetic signature, but that's just my opinion

[acoustic osprey]

I just don't think it really makes sense for tampering though

[fast forge]

we are talking about an island with genetic engineering run amok, where the body you inhabit doesn't belong to you (in theory), I think they'd definitely have a policy against tampering

[acoustic osprey]

We do not know how that works within employees

As such to presume employees are part of the EIP program

[fast forge]

true, this is mostly my headcanon at this point

[acoustic osprey]

Which would seem quite chaotic and unorganised

[lethal moat]

I can be it being a combination of the two, something added that also acts as either a tracker or a designation, like a genetic barcode, so that you won’t need identification badges

[acoustic osprey]

Key cards....

[lethal moat]

That’s for passage and clearance, not identification

And it’s be much harder to copy something like that should someone try to infiltrate the company

[acoustic osprey]

basically the same thing still, no?

honestly
having a bio-esque identification system is far more accurate and safer than a keycard

with a keycard
theft and pettier crimes become easier

[lethal moat]

That’s the point I was trying to get across, so maybe keycards will be rare, for people visiting areas their biotrace isn’t supposed to let them, like a specialist or a visiting project manager

[acoustic osprey]

but why keycards then?

ohno i read end bit

I mean
it's fair

but anyone associated with Apollo would have a biotrace, theoretically, no?
Unless it's needed in whatever research is being done on Gateway (and/or "X", "Y", "Z" islands)

and therefore an Apollo employee who is, as you put it, as a visiting project manager might not have a biotrace

i wouldn't believe it'd be hard, if all employees internationally had biotraces, to update "X" visiting employee to allowed "X" stage clearance
unless it's only needed for the above comment (#isle-lore-theories message)

[lethal moat]

Apollo engineering maybe, but possibly not other subsidiaries or higher ups

[acoustic osprey]

I'd assume higher ups would likely have a biotrace
especially ones connected with science

[lethal moat]

What if AE’s work is so secretive, or maybe so sequestered from everything else, that some, if not most, of the higher management of people don’t know about it, save for people with direct connections to whatever is involved

[swift echo]

he was a good figurine

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-gif-7496067

i don't think Don would be have Apollo that disorganised with the corporate stuff though

in which I'd imagine the far lower employees within Apollo knowing quite little and minimal

[lethal moat]

The more comparmenalized it is, the last chance of any major information leaks

[acoustic osprey]

I'd still imagine the higher ups would have to know a majority of things

i'd imagine your average "higher ups" might not know (at least, more than your average employee though)
but definitely higher ups would have to know a majority/to all things happening

ha
the irony

we've come to believe we know these things left to right

just wait till we get the next company info drop

[lethal moat]

More company policy or company response to incidents would be sick

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/life-will-not-be-contained-things-happen-it-is-what-it-is-chaos-its-gonna-happen-gif-16077046

[lethal moat]

Even Augustus was good enough to be comparable to 291 due to the notices about tartarus and replication

[fast forge]

I'd say most employees know something because it takes a lot of low-level genetic engineers to do what they've been doing. I feel like anyone actually living on the island probably has some higher level of knowledge than the outside world, but if they need temporary workers with a lower access level they can go with outside contractors - construction companies and whatnot

[young viper]

imagine working for A E ..

[acoustic osprey]

more so referring the international part of employees
any employees within the islands doing "X" research would definitely know, to some extent, the general idea of what they are working on

[fast forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

however the idea of independent contractors / 3rd parties is interesting
it might be that Apollo has, at least for the most part, monopolised its own systems.
looking at potential companies like Wheos, containing a greek word.

but it's a bit aloof, we don't really know.
There are doors that say "independent contractor" but we know the doors are getting a rework

so who knows for the most part.
I think the general theory is that Apollo likely started work on the islands with 3rd parties originally

however, with growing in time and the absurdness of their research
they found it far more necessary to privatise these systems

also works with tax deductions 😎

[fast forge]

Doors definitely need the rework, you get these weird ones with stonelike textures floating in air. This is on the entrance to the tunnel north of the swamp

[acoustic osprey]

the real stinker!!

i cannot remember the specific models that the untextured meshes are now

[lethal moat]

Employee of the month

[acoustic osprey]

oh it's the barriers

and the short light poles

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/who-me-gif-24687622

[acoustic osprey]

interesting to see they must've took the models out

[lethal moat]

Yeah, it’s been like that since hordetest started sadly

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-odinson-fat-thor-marvel-avenger-gif-14341801

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-8086630669522815021

[fast forge]

yeah, both the textures and the hitboxes on the replacements are just cubes

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

Put broken vats there

[snow jasper]

WATER LORE

[acoustic osprey]

from Spiro....

[fast forge]

this probably isn't new

[lethal moat]

That was on Spiro I believe

[snow jasper]

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, old now

[snow jasper]

I've not seen it

[spiral elbow]

good to know Apollo Engineering supports recycling

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
basically both the cyclical tanks and water tank

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-spiderman1-misery-misery-misery-thats-what-youve-chosen-gif-24284926

the "AE Class Water" was at the "new" oasis in spiro, Run

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hiss-cat-hiss-mean-cat-leave-me-alone-gif-16182916

U4 was when I played the least

I played more of the stress test than the actual main bramch

[acoustic osprey]

erm

[fast forge]

this gif is incredible

[snow jasper]

I wish I could say I used it first

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/93ff9e5eb6416262042f4769bf57a064

if only the imagine was larger (the black space) so it could fit the whole profile picture better lol

[hexed forge]

Wow

[lethal moat]

I do like the vertebrates

[lethal moat]

Thank you moderator

[hybrid wagon]

I’m curious about the lore on Troodon

It’s pretty cool don implemented a reason why it looks the way it does

Or exists in the first place I should say

[lethal moat]

I’m more interested in the scientist that made troodon than the animal troodon was based off of

[hexed forge]

Yeah

Dr. Rumple

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-no-please-no-god-no-gif-5938426

[hexed forge]

Alr

[lethal moat]

I’m not dying in the incident.

[hexed forge]

who said you will die!

[lethal moat]

I’ve got a feeling

[strange shell]

You cannot survive The Isle.

[acoustic osprey]

why

[strange shell]

Because of Ben.

[ornate comet]

It’s true

[acoustic osprey]

^

[lethal moat]

[lethal moat]

New Theory time

It's about this:

What if "lineage displacement" isn't actual lineage as in family, but EIP lineage, and you're no longer allowed to be a part of that program, in addition to being moved to Tartarus

[lethal moat]

Also, the gallimimus dossier mentions PPE, so I'm not so confident in AE having a specialized, designated "security team", seeing as in Errant 291 they mention "sweep teams" not security teams, and only 2/3 of the teams returned, potentially showing us how AE doesn't have particularly well trained "soldiers" or "policemen"

[strange shell]

displacement doesn't mean removal tho
Maybe you're being relocated to Tartarus for your next 1 000 lives or something ?
Like fairy tales curses that affect you and your descendants for 1 000 generations

[strange shell]

What if the Gen 2 were just an attempt at having a functional security team without the need to pay salaries

[lethal moat]

Why limit it to security?

[acoustic osprey]

Action is a very good idea/ thought

And including under what bubulblu I will always say that even makes more sense as well

Yeah, however, we don't really know that the olympus USER is an EIP though

As we don't really have anything about that on what we know that if EIPs are personnel of apollo engineer

We should still need to know what Apollo wants

[lethal moat]

It's a very early and unsupported theory, but an interesting one

[acoustic osprey]

Especially with EIPs and employees individually

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah if taken out of the context of the video I would definitely say that it is quite close

However we just need more context on this olympus user

[lethal moat]

We need more context on everything

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[lethal moat]

[maiden sundial]

Out of the context but I'm 90% sure the usa knows basically everything that's going on about Æ in the lore. Maybe, depends on if the usa intelligence system is actually realistic or not.

[steel summit]

maybe, but im guessing also the UN knows everything going around in Æ (or atleast should)

[maiden sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/hahahaha-gif-23335988

[reef copper]

lore of evrima? more like lore of amirve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM_Swg3dI9o

[fast forge]

well I did get an answer from Don somewhat related to that

[fast forge]

So the US might know what is going on, but they aren't involved in the hostile entities Don was talking about

[fallow harbor]

or maybe he just wants to leave real world countries out of the story

not everything has to be very deep

[patent ginkgo]

Additionally, he could be referring to him “not getting into” what exactly these hostile entities are exactly

[fast forge]

I do think it's this, that nations aren't going to play a large factor in the story

[lethal moat]

I’m betting politics is largely left out of the story

At least, real life politics

Maybe with the exception of certain politics relating to climate change

[scarlet verge]

I'd guess probably just best to not have any nations directly involved. Maybe just allusions to countries, but I'd guess AE doesn't affiliate with any country in particular and runs this private island (that maybe is hidden from satellites with the blue shield). That last part I doubt, but it could make the edges of the map actually have a reason to be there

[lethal moat]

The blue shield isn’t lore relevant, but it could just be we won’t see much of the outside world hardly at all

[scarlet verge]

Yeah that last shield part was just an off the cuff thought. I figured it probably wasn't relevant outside of the map boundary

[lethal moat]

Yeah, we asked Dondi about it awhile ago, but it would be neat

[lethal moat]

Equip robot quetz with the hyper cannon

[snow jasper]

ewwwwwwwwww politics

[lethal moat]

Exactly

I wonder what sort of specialized vehicles AE uses, we know about jeep style vehicles and safari helicopters, but what about boring machines, and how about boats?

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gear-dacia-sandero-good-news-james-may-james-may-dacia-sandero-gif-26698367

The Dacia Sandero

[hexed forge]

F22 Raptor

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[lethal moat]

Yis

[lethal moat]

I want to see a sunken cargo ship

Or beached

Maybe not on gateway, but potentially another map

[hexed forge]

But then, why?

What caused the cargo ship to sink/damaged

[lethal moat]

Storm or containment breach killed crew members

[acoustic osprey]

Well we know the idea is there

As Spiro had cargo spread around it's beaches

[hexed forge]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

I wanted to refer to this, but I was sleepy

there aren't really any known hostile "nations"
but we do know AE/Apollo was forced (influenced) by nations

aka. They had minimal choice in working with whomever they wanted

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

Could mean happen to because there's no other feasible choice, rather than being forced to do things by an entity, man vs nature over man vs society

[acoustic osprey]

Would Apollo reasonably have ties to nations around the globe? Not only in terms of funding in exchange for products and research Apollo provides, but also requesting or managing specific programs within Apollo. For instance, if the USA wanted to research something, would they request that of Apollo?

Or is Apollo entirely self reliant and self focused.

I mean, the reply is about connections with nations

[lethal moat]

Right, but the reply isn't directly indicitive of nations either, you're probably right, just posing an alternative

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
the reply is about nations though

why wouldn't Dondi be referring to what the reply is about

[young viper]

Could we find out which nations these are by just looking at the island's resources? For example, some plants that only exist in certain countries may be being delivered to Apollo as some form of business, or would it be too pointless to think about it? (It Just popped into my head)

[lethal moat]

Too much trade and foreign processing I would think

[young viper]

Depends on how it's done

[lethal moat]

We'd need to know the type of materials in addition to what the material is

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe?

I mean
we could point fingers at the QWERTZ - QWERTY difference

[valid geyser]

Thought that said quetz.. got excited…

[lethal moat]

HA

[hexed forge]

Quetz

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-victor-gunray-starwars-victory-the-phantom-menace-gif-18426895

[valid geyser]

[valid geyser]

[valid geyser]

So many reactions I must do because I CANT ADD THEM NROMALG

Nroamlgl

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1213097035071365130/RATS.gif

[valid geyser]

Normally*

[valid geyser]

🫵

[fast forge]

the plants come from an asset pack you can buy, iirc, so I wouldn't put too much stock in using those to figure things out

Although I know that was just one example

[acoustic osprey]

some of the trees are
but a lot of them are custom

[static loom]

is the ai back on the horde test?

[steel summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1219214137876283442/The_Isle_lore.gif

[tribal bobcat]

Dibble is a dinosaur.. Good info for lore!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

I really want to know why Tartarus was referenced in the dibble video? Was it relevant or was it just to get us excited?

[fast forge]

Maybe a bit of both. It seemed to be part of an overlaid image that we'll probably see in the future, but it's so hard to see in the dibble vid it's likely just an easter egg for now

[pseudo fable]

You can assume they will remain boring machines.

[hexed forge]

So nothing crazy? Big transport helicopters for example 🤔

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-noted-meme-penguin-kowalski-kowalski-analysis-gif-24340145

[pseudo fable]

If it's not relevant to gameplay it's probably only referenced.

[hexed forge]

Ah I see

[lethal moat]

Would transport ships for the Docks fall under this category?

[hexed forge]

I would assume they will just be there, but cant be used, you probably wont be able to sail around in them.

[lethal moat]

Or they’re just absent

[hexed forge]

I doubt absent

[pseudo fable]

They'd be a cool sunken underwater thing to see more than a stationary one floating at a dockyard. I wouldn't hold out.

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Also Don, are there any possibilies of an airstrip? Perhaps even a small aircraft that we can fly? Nothing too crazy

[lethal moat]

Would love some shipwreck stuff

[hexed forge]

Submarines for gen 2

[hexed forge]

Also what would have sunk the ship, aside from perhaps a dangerous storm

[lethal moat]

SCUBA gear more likely I would say

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah

[lethal moat]

Rocks, or it could be beached, especially if there was no communication and no lighthouse

[pseudo fable]

Me, because then you get to swim through a sunken ship and that's rad as hell.

Stop reading into it.

[hexed forge]

mmm

[hexed forge]

What kind of things would we find in the ship? Or better

What was the ship transporting?

Okay maybe Im overthinking it

[iron anchor]

dondi can sank a boat

[hexed forge]

Dondi is The Matriarch, confirmed.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

Or he owns a pet godzilla, idk

[hexed forge]

Perhaps the Injections are carried out by boat

Unless its by transport helicopter

Lore is needed please

Also, another topic to bring up, what will the next lore video be about? Im going to assume it showcases rex/trike. So perhaps...hmmmm what could that be about

I was going to say it could start leaning towards a strain topic, but that would just be me overthinking it again

Its about to be about nesting or somethin ahahah

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-talking-gif-24637905

Oh wow phase three

Rumple save me from this hell Talking to myself ffs

NO DONT STOP TYPING

[lethal moat]

Probably, i see it being mostly supplies from containers and whatnot, especially given how common the shipping containers are from around the island and how we have models for cranes, probably just supples, maybe a couple of cages, but I wouldn’t expect anything much out of the mundane

[lethal moat]

I was in creative writing class, calm down lol

[hexed forge]

Likely, but what if the injections are carried out by boat. Wouldnt there be some special ship for that? Maybe we can find a ship that has a bunch of cages too

[lethal moat]

Just a large cargo ship with Hermes Shipping or something similar mostly submerged would be rad and fun as hell to explore as a dinosaur and maybe the captain’s room will have some keys for gen 2 to use

[hexed forge]

Cage with a decomposing skeleton of a dibble

[hexed forge]

I hope Gen 2 gameplay is puzzle and has some sort of linear gameplay that you can CHOOSE to follow. To discover the lore, requiring you to explore some ships

[lethal moat]

I don’t expect much more than cages and shipping containers to be on a boat, which isn’t immediately exciting, but would be cool to see in game

[lethal moat]

Having multiple ways to get to the same objective is an interesting concept, because we know there’s potentially a way for gen 2 to “win”

[hexed forge]

Exactly

[lethal moat]

I hope the community develops a culture of healthy trade on certain servers, just a bartering system, but it’ll probably end up being killing who you can and taking what you want

[hexed forge]

Community working together... ahah.... oh god..

[lethal moat]

I bet I can get a solid 10% of the lore people to work together cooperatively in order to find new stuff

[hexed forge]

Yeahhh

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

I think we scared dondi away ffs...

[lethal moat]

I’m just existing, that one’s on you

[hexed forge]

Thoughts on this Dondi? If you are still here..

[lethal moat]

Now that we know AE doesn’t have specialized equipment, I can study the functions of real life vehicles to try to gauge effectiveness and response time

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-oh-yeah-insane-gif-3571476595804301266

[lethal moat]

Safari vehicles aren’t typically expensive, but they’re decently durable and usually fairly simple to repair, so that’s a plus, though it seems they may have several different types

Can’t wait to hit a pothole at 60 km/hr, bounce, and nail an allo in the face with the top of the jeep

Stealth, speed, and endurance are going to have to be gen 2’s primary advantages

Helicopter would be insanely useful as long as you can fuel and maintain it

Just need to make sure it isn’t disabled when you land and leave

Wonder how they decide which bases get helipads and which ones don’t

[strange shell]

What do you do if you find a troodon in your helicopter

[meager junco]

Let it take the stick, what else?

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-uspide-down-lets-go-woo-wooooo-gif-20316887

[lethal moat]

Friend

[strange shell]

What if you're a troodon and you find a human in your helicopter

[lethal moat]

Imma adopt it

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-wayne-knight-jurassic-park-gif-24822870

[acoustic osprey]

We know this already

[hexed forge]

Damn we do..

[acoustic osprey]

Bring in the Toyotas

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/toyota-corolla-gif-25397063

[fossil nebula]

Bring in the ferrets

[eternal dust]

Theory, similar to Jurassic Park/World, a group of scientist could've found preserved DNA of dinosaur species and managed to bring them back to life, somehow by using birds and other species of reptiles seeing as to how they are the closest living relatives to dinosaurs. This has shown to be a mistake, seeing as to how some species have grown to have more potential than expected, and possibly they escaped to the real world causing a collapse on human civilization. Somehow trapping them inside of a dome in a deserted island seemed to be a good way to preserve them from the real world, for now.

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[swift echo]

shoot it? what else?

[lethal moat]

[hybrid wagon]

Took that literally

[lethal moat]

[swift echo]

throw it out the helicopter

ez

[lethal moat]

[swift echo]

what u complaining abt

[fast forge]

you should read that lore document

[lethal moat]

I wonder how much humanity the echidna retains (assuming they're human or gen 2, rather than gen 1, which I find most likely), or is it a mental corruption as well, like "Hellfire" from Hunchback of Notre Dame in referance to giving in to the strain/instincts

Or maybe "In the Dark of the Night"

[pale marsh]

I like to think
She has the full mental/emotional range of a human

Just doesn't see herself as one
Doesn't value us
Share our morals
Etc

[lethal moat]

So just complete moral degradation, rather than the degradation of mental/emotional capacity?

[pale marsh]

Not
Degradation

You don't ascribe morals to a bear

A bear is a bear
With a bear mind and bear thoughts
Just
Give this bear abstract thought and incredible intellect

While
Technically yea echidna came from a human presumably
Whatever she is now
Is something else entirely

I don't believe there's, anything degraded about her

But I'm also a. Sympathy for the monster type of person
Take that as you will

[lethal moat]

I agree, totally different from beginning to end, but I suppose a better word rather than degradation would be the addition of new traits over top of existing ones that overwhelm the character, though I wonder exactly how quickly the process takes place

[pale marsh]

Assuming
Echidna came from a fully cognisant homo sapiens and not a gen1 or 2

I like to believe it was a very natural progression of the individuals own logic

Like the usual power corrupts kind of thing, ig, idk

That, gets in the kind of nitty gritty thing that can only be answered by dondi and understanding his perspective on things

[lethal moat]

Who’s to say gen 2 aren’t cognisant?

[pale marsh]

Poor choice of words

[lethal moat]

I think it’s a lot more invasive and personal than that

[pale marsh]

I should
Really be asleep rn ngl, I'm not the best at forming coherent thoughts

[lethal moat]

I like to picture the neuro strain as the symbiotes like Venom and Carnage, altering their personality and characteristics, especially since we know Echidna has been described as a carrier

[acoustic osprey]

i presume iris refers moreso to the broader understanding of "what's happening"

[lethal moat]

Aleep

Sleep

[pale marsh]

My brain do function mainly under broad, often vague understandings

I am the most esoteric gurl in the sewer

[lethal moat]

The sewers are mine

https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20206670

[pale marsh]

Anyway
Uh
Uhmm
Erhhrhehneerer
Echidna is
Uh
Mother

[lethal moat]

Parasite

Like a naked mole rat queen

Dominating the others for their own benefit

At least thats what I think

[pale marsh]

Ah
But then what does she gain?

[lethal moat]

The servitude of most, if not all, of an entire race, for whatever goal the strain could push her towards, potentially the spread of whatever she is a carrier for

[pale marsh]

(I don't even know what I'm onto with that)

[lethal moat]

At this point, we have gone well into the realm of theorizing, without much support

[pale marsh]

As is
90% of this but yea

I think
Echidna has a good singing voice
Cuz it hurts nobody and doesn't impact lore

[lethal moat]

We know that she can perfectly replicate voices

I will counter her with Christmas music on repeat

[pale marsh]

The secret to defeating nueros is Mariah Carreys all I want for Christmas on loop

[lethal moat]

Get her a Jeep and a bluetooth speaker, we’re taking back Gateway

[pale marsh]

Hook it up to the island speaker systems

[lethal moat]

First we retake the radio towers

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-pc-meme-matrix-codes-gif-16730883

[pale marsh]

Hacks into intercom

Plays caramelldansen at full blast

[lethal moat]

I do imagine radio towers will be significant to gen 2 gameplay though, probably for radios and tracking chip systems

[pale marsh]

That or repairing computers and finding codes to reconnect with satellite systems or something

[lethal moat]

Mhm

But also the incredibly important aspect of bluetooth to all speakers

[pale marsh]

Very important

Use my phone's blue tooth or Mobil hotspot to beam bad meme songs into a nueros brain directly

[lethal moat]

Establish dominance and ride a neuro rex into battle and name it Rudy

[pale marsh]

I will beam a zip bomb containing the bee movie script into a nueros spinos brain until it seizes

[lethal moat]

Until the neuro carno begins flapping it’s arms to fly

I do wonder what Neuro’s weakness will be, if any (I’m hoping for water)

[steel summit]

once a neuro drinks water its instantly pulverized (but neuros also have thirst so they will die if they dont drink water)

[lethal moat]

Got to keep moist, like a slug, at least thats the immediate and unsupported theory

[steel summit]

no, make neuros fatally hydrophobic, it would be way funnier

[lethal moat]

Poor neuro spino

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
thinking about this

you probably could outpower her with something like that IF you hit/find the right radio frequencies

you just gotta make sure you can confirm "X" frequency/frequency range is her and not some innocent dude

some poor dude getting Christmas musiced because you thought he was echidna

[fast forge]

turns out

[acoustic osprey]

turns in

[fast forge]

echidna likes xmas music

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-victor-gunray-starwars-victory-the-phantom-menace-gif-18426895

[lethal moat]

Impossible

[fast forge]

I like xmas music, so I can't be echidna 😮‍💨

[lethal moat]

[lethal moat]

@hexed forge

[strange shell]

A beach resort !
A tax haven !

[fallow harbor]

we are talking like 1 star island motel

[lethal moat]

Come on, at least 3

[snow jasper]

i do not see tiki huts and homeson sticks by the coast

smhsmhsmh

[lethal moat]

It’s tree house resort, you didn’t look up silly

[snow jasper]

if i looked up, i‘d see my ceiling

[lethal moat]

Bum bum buuuum

[meager junco]

Called it

[lethal moat]

Lore people taking a lot of Ws recently

[patent ginkgo]

Gateway seems like a major hub for transportation

[lethal moat]

Makes sense if you’re funneling materials for both Gateway and Tartarus, and also just because it’s an island and there aren’t a ton of options

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/its-an-amazing-feeling-vincent-gcbs-great-canadian-baking-show-its-the-best-feeling-gif-23720016

[fast forge]

That feeling when lore

[patent ginkgo]

The lore

[lethal moat]

[fast forge]

what if we had feral dogs on the isle, escaped from former AE guard stations after the incident

[lethal moat]

I have been petitioning for dogs for the past forever

[fast forge]

been petitioning since dogs were first domesticated

but the real question is...

can you pet the dog?

[lethal moat]

You better

[pale marsh]

I wanna raid the cafeteria

[lethal moat]

Dibs on the mac and cheese packets

[pale marsh]

Macking eese

[lethal moat]

Yis

[hexed forge]

YEAHHH

Hmmm, I wonder if the airstrip plays into gameplay and/or lore

[fast forge]

Just seems like simple logistics stuff. Unless we get a hint a at a specific event or something at an airstrip it's probably not terribly relevant

[scarlet verge]

I'd say it depends if there are random cargo containers broken open around the airstrip, we could probably assume a hasty exit and/or making room for more people and less stuff. If not, then maybe it was a more organized abandonment of the island

[lethal moat]

Crashed plain with CEO skeleton and parachute nearby

[hexed forge]

plain

https://tenor.com/view/spell-check-autocorrect-fail-fails-you-shocked-gif-12678425

[lethal moat]

Crashed Hercules freight plane with ditch and skid marks

[fast forge]

I'd love to see wrecked vehicles around the map, in general

[fast forge]

this is not on the map

[lethal moat]

Not yet

Plus that's just a funky looking car

[hexed forge]

I wonder..... I might be overthinking again.. but... What if the domes lost their texture ingame because their texture is being adjusted/remade... Maybe even a remodel

[lethal moat]

Maybe, but even then, I don't think it'll be overly significant

[hexed forge]

Let me live my dreams god damnit

[lethal moat]

No

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

And if its true.. I hope we get to see a hole in the dome

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-gif-7496060

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[hexed forge]

Ey, what other efficient way is there for pterosaurs to get out of the dome?

[lethal moat]

Why do pterosaurs need to get out of the dome?

[hexed forge]

IF, the domes even hold pterosaurs..

[hexed forge]

Why would a rex migrate to the other side of the map.

[lethal moat]

GUTS

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

Anyways, what I mean is that the pterosaurs break out in search of food... even water maybe..?

[lethal moat]

Go through GUTS, that's what I'm saying, where we've seen the only major damage to infrastructure

[hexed forge]

We havent seen it tho? We havent seen any major damage to GUTS. In fact, we have seen more fence breakthroughs.

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/raptor-appear-im-here-rawr-roar-gif-10550629

[lethal moat]

And those fences are right next to a GUTS entrance

Or rather, lead a line right to one

[hexed forge]

hmm

[lethal moat]

Trees infested with gen 1 vs open top vehicle, who wins?

[steel summit]

i mean the gen 1s dont really have a reason to attack an open top vehicle, if there are passengers then its a different case though

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
an open top vehicle can be a lot of things

[steel summit]

An open top vehicle dosent necessarily mean there are passengers inside either

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 nails it’s face on the roll bar

[fast forge]

Gen 2 has a tapetum (shiny stuff in back of eye) to see in the dark?

[acoustic osprey]

(NV Bug)

[fast forge]

awww

[strange shell]

idk how gen 1 manage to be consistently more uncanny than the dinos

[lethal moat]

Skull shape I think, close to human but obviously not

[hexed forge]

Lorechat dead.

[lethal moat]

Then think of something new to say

[hexed forge]

Since an airstrip might be coming. Let's discuss how AE would use the airstrip and/or... What aircraft, and why.

[patent ginkgo]

generic transport aircraft

for supplies, personel, and vehicles

[hexed forge]

Well, would AE use it as an easier way of transport around its islands? General supplies?

[hexed forge]

Vehicles... so big.

[patent ginkgo]

i dont see an airstrip being too important to the rest of the lore

[hexed forge]

Let me overthink

[lethal moat]

It depends on the size of the runway, it’ll either be cargo aircraft or a small surveillance style plane like a cropduster for versatility and transportation of personnel

[hexed forge]

I could see helicopters being more useful for supplies. So the airstrip could contain more transport helicopters/heavy lifters. And small surveillance aircraft like you said.

[lethal moat]

Those aircraft need runways ~3/4-3/2 of a mile long, which could work on the islands to the east, but we’ll see

[hexed forge]

What would surveillance aircraft be used for? Taking pictures around the island? Mmm

[hexed forge]

The island in the southeast? Big one?

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[fast forge]

tbh I said the same thing when cerato brought it up the other day
#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

Or just generic employee transport

[patent ginkgo]

yeah, and with what dondi was saying, it doesnt seem to important

[hexed forge]

If that's the airstrip, would the port be on the same island? Or somewhere else. Perhaps west access. That's why it has access in its name? 🤔

[lethal moat]

He really wants his SU-27

[hexed forge]

I'm modding it in. NO ONE WILL STOP ME!

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[fast forge]

I figured it's a western access to GUTS

[lethal moat]

I presume west access is for the monorail

[hexed forge]

Monorail from the port perhaps?

[lethal moat]

Ayyyy, similar answer

[fast forge]

nah that's west RAIL access

[hexed forge]

West rail access doesn't exist anymore

[fast forge]

different from west access

[hexed forge]

Only west access, aka sw access

[lethal moat]

Potato tomato

[fast forge]

no, southwest access was turned into west access

west rail access didn't change

[hexed forge]

Oh

[lethal moat]

Probably GUTS then yeah

[hexed forge]

Sooooo, port in west access. Maybe the main entrance into guts just like tiny just said

Where the hell will the port go

[lethal moat]

I’m betting on the islands

[fast forge]

(I've actually taken screenshots for all the playable's spawn points for this hordetest and the last, so I'm pretty familiar with all the spawns )

[hexed forge]

And then a bridge into the mainland? Eh.. or do you mean on the big boy island where the airstrip will be

[fast forge]

there is a big flat wide open area on the east coast, it always looked like a future human base to me

but really I think there's a bunch of places that could potentially have docks

[lethal moat]

*might be, and yeah thats the one I think of

[fast forge]

a giant bridge would be cool

[lethal moat]

Have monorail have maintenance walkways when over the water

[hexed forge]

I wonder if the bay between the southeast island and gateway have an underground fence surrounding it. Keeping something within the bay

Dondi needs to revive chat

[hexed forge]

Maintenance levels tho

[hexed forge]

I wonder if a team of gen 2s can get the entire monorail system up and running

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-talking-gif-24637905

[lethal moat]

I really doubt it, I want the actual tram to be a a sort of barrier and have it be non-functional

[hexed forge]

Hmmm.. thinking about that reminds me of another question. WHAT is the goal of gen 2 on gateway. Get it up and running or do something else?

[lethal moat]

Maybe derailed with sideways cars crushed partially through a tunnel

[lethal moat]

Recapture replicator? We don't know

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[hexed forge]

More information needed

[lethal moat]

mhm

[hexed forge]

Also the replicator isn't on gateway according to dondi

[lethal moat]

The physical representation of it isn't

[hexed forge]

Mmm

I see

[lethal moat]

It's an ai presumably, it might even be on your PC

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

maybe the goal is to just get off the island

[lethal moat]

We know they come from off the island

[hexed forge]

Yeah they were sent to the island

[fast forge]

So? Gen 2 could have been transported here in tanks, you awaken from a tank - boom, you wanna get off this hellhole

[lethal moat]

Then why would they be sent there?

[hexed forge]

Why would AE want that

[fast forge]

backup bodies that were in storage while AE had a presence here

[lethal moat]

I think that would count as starting on the island

[fast forge]

idk, I don't know the context of this factoid, I just figured it meant they were manufactured offsite

[hexed forge]

I don't think they would send one of their most valuable assets to the island just for the mission for them to get off

[lethal moat]

I like the idea of starting on a different island and working to get to gateway

[fast forge]

Are they sent here on a mission? Do we know that? I never had that context

Was it like, something Don said once?

[lethal moat]

There is a way for them to "win" so there is likely some objective

[fast forge]

that doesn't mean they were MTF- Gen 2

[lethal moat]

Dondi also specifically said that gen 2 come from a different island

[fast forge]

In my scenario, you are a gen 2 clone body in storage but manufactured elsewhere, you wake up, gotta find a way off the island. That's an objective

[hexed forge]

I could see that Gen 2 were sent back to gateway to gain back some form of control after an "incident"

[hexed forge]

Perhaps this^